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Lets start a club called the Klit lickers…

Posted June 26, 2014 10:32 pm 


If you really believe that crap you are just as delusional as the rest of these Klit lickers.

Posted June 26, 2014 8:39 pm 


@The bible of boxing…Trever Berbick was a decent fighter when Tyson beat him early in his career. Earlier than that they were bums.

Posted June 26, 2014 4:36 pm 

The Bible of Boxing

@ E That’s funny. I am her for fun and some debate. But if you attacjk me with crapp I will crapp back. State some facts to support your opinion.

Posted June 26, 2014 3:57 pm 


@ANONYMOUS You gotta stop being butthurt at other peoples opinions too and think for yourself. You might learn something. Neither of the Klits have the best ever resume, but they sure have good ones. Better than Dempsey, Johnson, Charles, Walcott, Frazier, Norton, Patterson, Johansson, Liston, Witherspoon, McCall, Bruno, Bowe, Rahman and many more. You need to get some education.

Posted June 26, 2014 1:27 pm 


The Brits sure thought David Haye could beat Klitschko. Boy, were they wrong, lol!

Posted June 26, 2014 1:16 pm 


How could they when David toe Haye is their best opposition to date. lol

Posted June 26, 2014 10:02 am 


If that’s SLIM’s opinion you guys need to stop being butthurt the Klits don’t have the best Heavy weight record.

Posted June 26, 2014 9:59 am 


I agree Lennox Lewis resume isn’t all that either..

Posted June 26, 2014 9:56 am 


SLIM isn’t the brightest, lol! It doesn’t help Lewis resume when SLIM calls Tua, Briggs and Rahman ‘bums’. Lewis fought them all and was shook up by Briggs and KO’d by Rahman! Lewis gave up a title not to face Byrd. Didn’t fight Moorer or any top southpaw. Lewis ain’t got the best resume either. He beat smaller men in past-his-prime older Holyfield and a totally shot Tyson for his biggest wins. Old and grey Lewis he says, when Vitali fought at 40 and Wlad is 38. They’re both older. SLIM needs to learn more for sure!

Posted June 26, 2014 7:38 am 


Lol at SLIM. He is a hopeless case.

Posted June 26, 2014 7:14 am 


Dang, SLIM, what have I told you about using the internet? You making yourself look a damn fool again, dang!…. I just want to apologize to the clever people who know about boxing on ESB for having to read my son’s nonsense. He has a carer looking after him and he is supposed to take his medication on a regular basis. Thank you.

Posted June 26, 2014 7:11 am 


Majority of Klits oponents ARE bums, like Rahman I think he lost to Tua, over in the US Tua is BUM. And Byrd he wasn’t even a true Heavyweight…the Klits are decent fighters but the resume is filled up with misfits, and weak fighters. Sorry Klit fans..Vlad lost to Lennox and he was old and grey. I know they are Tark and bunch other people heroes in Europe. But facts don’t lie..Ray Mercer are you serious?? He was sparring partner. Lol

Posted June 26, 2014 4:55 am 




Posted June 26, 2014 4:22 am 


Thank you…these cats are drinking this Klit piss so hard they don’t get it!

Posted June 26, 2014 3:59 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Nineteen year old Iron Mike could have whupped any heavyweight champ in history on any given night. He was extremely quick, had legendary power in either hand and rarely got hit, excellent head movement, combos. The Klit sisters are just big athletes in an era of nobodies or washed up cruisers. It is what it is…

Posted June 26, 2014 1:26 am 



Posted June 25, 2014 8:38 pm 


Deal with it…the Klits have washed up fighters and bums on their resume.

Posted June 25, 2014 7:37 pm 


only bum is you slim. you’re a moron who can’t think

Posted June 25, 2014 6:44 pm 


@Tark…With all the bums the Klits fought they are so fresh they still be fighting at 60. Lol!!!!

Posted June 25, 2014 3:55 pm 


Tark wheres your kitty ecat? lol

Posted June 25, 2014 3:20 pm 


Slim making slim excuses.., “@Tark…every fighter you just named who was beat. Was old and washed up!!!! Are you serious?? When Tyson lost to Kevin McBride, and Danny Williams. Those were his last 2 fights moron…Lol!!!! You are really reaching for these Klits…Lol. And not one HOF on the whole list you named.”

Tyson was 36 and 38 when he was beaten by Williams and McBride.. Vitali fought until 42 and Wladimir is 38.

Wait 20 years… Plenty Klitschko victims will be in the HOF… A lot of bums are in the HOF and a lot of great fighters AREN’T in the HOF.

Ingemar Johansson is in the HOF… He won 1 of 3 title fights, had a China-chin. Ingo couldn’t defend himself … and couldn’t box a lick.

He wouldn’t last 30 seconds with a K Bro. Ray Austin or Tony Thompson would have beaten him.

Posted June 25, 2014 3:01 pm 



Posted June 25, 2014 2:58 pm 


SLIM, I just listed most of the best fighters the Klitschkos beat. They beat all those guys I listed, you dumbass. They both have nice resumes. Have a nice day, LMFAO!!

Posted June 25, 2014 12:44 pm 


Stop giving them credit for beating fighters who beat other fighters. They only get the credit for the fighters they beat. Chris Arreola ain’t sht first of all. Neither is Tua, or Ray Mercer. Those cats are bums…Lennox was done by the time Vlad fought him and he lost that fight. Have nice day.

Posted June 25, 2014 11:51 am 


Wlad has beaten Axel Schulz and stopped Schulz (Schulz who really beat George Foreman), demolished Monte Barrett, stopped Chris Byrd and beat him twice (Byrd has wins over Holyfield, Tua, Rahman, McCline etc), stopped Derrick Jefferson, Charles Shufford, stopped a previously unstpped Ray Mercer, Frans Botha, Jameel McCline, Davarryl Williamson, Sam Peter x 2, ko’d Ray Austin quickly, dominated Lamon Brewster in the rematch (gave him The Beating Of A Lifetime in Brewster 1 as well), undefeated Sultan Ibragimov, beat tall southpaw Tony Thompson x 2 only man to stop Thompson, demolished Hasim Rahman, beat undefeated Ruslan Chagaev stopping him, Eddie Chambers, cruised to victory over David Haye and beat undefeated Alexander Povetkin easily. Wlad Klitschko is currently 62-3, unbeaten in 10 years and is The Ring, WBA, IBF and WBO HW Champion of the World. Very good resume..

Posted June 25, 2014 10:32 am 


Vitali beat Herbie Hide, Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Orlin Norris, Ross Puritty, Larry Donald, Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams, retired, came back at 37 after four years out, beat Sam Peter, Cris Arreola, Shannon Briggs, Odlanier Solis, Tomasz Adamek and Dereck Chisora, retired again with a win-loss record of 45-2. Lost two fights when leading both, with injuries. Was never put flat on his back in a boxing match. Was leading Lennox, Lennox promised a rematch, Lennox didn’t keep his word and Lennox retired. He basically made Lennox retire. Boxed on as Champ older than Lennox did. Not a bad resume at all…

Posted June 25, 2014 10:15 am 


@Tark…every fighter you just named who was beat. Was old and washed up!!!! Are you serious?? When Tyson lost to Kevin McBride, and Danny Williams. Those were his last 2 fights moron…Lol!!!! You are really reaching for these Klits…Lol. And not one HOF on the whole list you named. Bunch bums who beat other people so the Klits get credit for that?? Dude you are delusional. Lol….

Posted June 25, 2014 5:10 am 

The Gatekeeper

Jack Johnson was a 6 ft 2 , 205 pound guy who was training for fights that could go 40 rounds.

He is a MUCH larger man than Roy Jones jr who actually made 154 early in his career.

Tark is getting sillier by the post.

Posted June 25, 2014 3:49 am 


“Roy Jones had skills similar to Johnson in terms of countering, speed and athleticism and WAS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS JOHNSON.” Oh really Monte?

Posted June 25, 2014 3:07 am 


Slim.., “The Klits haven’t fought anybody”

Vitali is the only man to stop Larry Donald who beat Evander Holyfield… Vitali knocked out Danny Williams, who knocked out Mike Tyson… Wladimir beat Mariusz Wach who ICED Kevin McBride, who stopped Tyson… Wladimir stopped Ray Mercer who smashed Tommy Morrison, who beat George Foreman… Vitali KO’d Herbie Hide in 2. Hide obliterated Michael Bentt, who KO’d Tommy Morrison, who beat George Foreman… Wladimir KO’d Rahman, who KO’d Lennox Lewis

Vit beat 2-Division World Champion Tomas Adamek..
Wlad beat 2-Division World Champion David Haye..
Wlad beat World Heavyweight Champion Hasim Rahman..
Wlad beat World Heavyweight Champion Lamon Brewster
Vit beat World Heavyweight Champion Sam PeterWlad beat World Heavyweight Champion Lamon Brewster
Vit beat 2-time World Heavyweight Champion Shannon Briggs
Wlad beat World Heavyweight Champion Chris Byrd twice
Vit beat World Heavyweight Champion Herbie Hide

Posted June 25, 2014 2:33 am 

The Gatekeeper

How about manning up and respoding to my posts TARK .

How pathetic to bring up the Jumbo Cummings fight .

Using your logic Larry Holmes is a bum because Tyson destroyed him , Jack Johnson is a bum because the wooden Willard defeated him , Joe Louis is a bum , he lost to the midget Marciano , the middleweight Charles and the old man Walcott. Vitali lost to the chubby little fighter named Byrd so Vitali is a bum . Wlad is a bum because he quit in his corner as a young man against a clubfighter and was kayoed by a golfer .

You play favourites , it’s a real weakness and you seem oblivious to the concepts of fairness and logic.

Posted June 25, 2014 2:16 am 


Not this again you guys…The Klits record speaks for itself. The biggest name to date is David Toe Haye…Lol

Posted June 25, 2014 2:03 am 


Klits haven’t fought anybody Tark, I think everybody knows that…Have a nice day.

Posted June 25, 2014 1:24 am 


@Tark…And did I lie or something?? Lol

Posted June 25, 2014 1:22 am 

Thurmal Underwear

The Bible of Boxing

Early Tyson fought bums who were sacred before they even entered the ring. Even then, whenever he fought a strong, big, tough heavyweight with a decent chin, he had problems. He could not fight out of a clinch if they grabbed him. If he could not have his way with modern heavies, how could he handle old timers who were allowed to tie up and hit etc?
As soon as Tyson fought a guy who was not scared he lost. He again lost to Holyfield for the same reason. And of course Lewis although his chin was suspect, was too big, strong and had too much reach and a deadly jab.
I liked Tyson’s ko’s and was excited whenever he fought but I always told everyone, he will lose when he faces a half decent fighter with the attributes I already mentioned.
If he was about 4-5 inches taller and better reach, he probably would have been as great as people already claim he was. But history would show he was a bully until he met bigger bullies.

Posted June 22, 2014 8:14 pm


Posted June 25, 2014 12:01 am 


Slim says.., “I think Ali, Frazier, Bowe, Holyfield had a lot more competitive battles in the ring then the Klit brothers.”

You mean Ali, who fought Evangelista… Dunn… London… Lubbers… Wepner… Coopman… Mildenberger… and ducked Larry Holmes to fight 197-pound Leon (7 fights) Spinks?


You mean Frazier.., Who got mistaken for an over stuffed punching bag by George Foreman??? … and who couldn’t beat Jumbo Cummings???

You mean Holyfield.., Who lost to John Ruiz???

They had competitive fights when they weren’t even trying to.. Ali didn’t expect Leon Spinks to be competitive.. Tyson didn’t expect Buster Douglas to be competitive.. Bowe didn’t expect Andrew Golota to be competitive.. Frazier didn’t expect Cummings to be competitive.. Holyfield didn’t expect Ruiz to be competitive.

Posted June 24, 2014 11:54 pm 


Tysons prime was about a year. then he got bored.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:43 pm 


@The bible of boxing…sht gets heated on here people talkin out there ass. My bad if I offended you.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:24 pm 

Fight Aficionado

I always enjoyed Mike Tyson. There was an electricity when he fought. His KOs were often comical with their brutality. But I think his prime is overstated. He came along during a weak period in the heavyweight division after Holmes left the scene. His best win was KOing a blown up light heavyweight in Spinks, the hapless son of Joe Frazier and perpetual loser Frank Bruno. Ironic some dudes say today is the weaker era. There were straight up cocaine and heroin addicts fighting for the heavyweight title in Mike’s prime. When junkies get title shots that’s a weak era.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:14 pm 

The Voice of Boxing

@ E. I am the Voice of Boxing and sometimes The Bible of Boxing. You attacked me as the Bible. Same person!

Posted June 24, 2014 4:09 pm 


keep the hw circus rolling.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:26 pm 


cowardly post….

Posted June 24, 2014 12:10 pm 


I always hate these theoretical matchups. Can’t we just crown fighters best of their era and assume they would all be competitive no matter what era they were in? After all if the Klits were fighting in the 30-80’s they wouldn’t have been allowed to compete, so it would be irrelevant. Tyson was great for ~3 years, but faded quickly. But he was a beast and brought back a lot of fans so give him his due. Dempsey had the first $1M dollar gate, so he also put fans in the seat. All the champs that dominated their time-frame are great to me. This either great or a bum mentality is just childish. We will never know, because bluntly it never did and never will happen.

Posted June 24, 2014 11:52 am 

Carbon Dioxide Polluter

Lewis palmed Vitali, it is as plain as the zits on your face if you watch the fight again. An upward palm strike raking the left side of Vitalis face from bottom to top. In the old days of Dempsey and Marciano it was called a lace job. Being laced. Lace in the face. done by his name is Lacey Lewis, kinda of melodic aint it. Lacey Lewis. The old boys in the article we are all threading knew this tactic very well. Lacey Lewis knew it too and used it in desperation. Tyson knows how to use it too. It fits in his toolbag along with his arm bar, ear bite, elbow jam, and head butt. Tyson threw some very nice elbows on the inside, so does Wladimir.

Posted June 24, 2014 10:38 am 


@ Hamburg

don’t be fooled by TARK, it was a potshot at your friend. Believe me. by-the-way we are almost ‘neighbors’. I am from Malmö……….. lol

Posted June 24, 2014 10:27 am 


tark i think its about time you went back to watching mens beach vollyball.

Posted June 24, 2014 9:36 am 


Lewis “won” fair and square losing on all scorecards. Who are you freakin kidding ????

Posted June 24, 2014 9:24 am 

Captain Chaos

No Tark you are wrong, the cuts on vitali were caused by legal punch’s and the fight was won by Lewis fair and square.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:38 am 

The Voice of Boxing

@ E, I love how well you make a point by calling me names for clearly expressing what I think about Tyson. Obviously I watched his fights, that is how I was able to make my points.
Yes I am a fag-got and I love people who are unable to express themselves when I ram my large black ckoc into your tight azz. You love it don’t you? Why don’t you let the bully Tyson take it for you? Can’t handle a king sized bone can you?
See how childish I can be if I want? But back to facts. Tyson beat up bums early. Name one of his early ko’s who is a recognized and or decent boxer………….Still waiting………….. I rest my case.

Posted June 24, 2014 7:05 am 


Real hard to talk like you have marbles in your mouth not fighting a competitive boxing match with ANYBODY in 20 years. Lol! Excuse me except for David “TOE” Haye!!!! Lol!

Posted June 24, 2014 5:23 am 


@Tark…I think Ali, Frazier, Bowe, Holyfield had a lot more competitive battles in the ring then the Klit brothers…LOL!!!!

Posted June 24, 2014 5:18 am 


yous are all id!ots.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:07 am 


Who did the master of self promotion Steward learn the ropes off Tark?

Posted June 24, 2014 2:20 am 


Even though Dundee never fought I would suggest that Willie Pastrano , Luis Rodriguez , Ralph Dupas and Ali were all better defensive fighters than anyone Steward taught from scratch as a pro. Miami is only a stones throw from Cuba , one of the great boxing countries.

Dundee worked at Stillmans as a bucketboy under Charlie Goldman , Ray Arcel and Chickie Ferrerra.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:18 am 


Add the fact that Lewis was TWICE knocked senseless by overhand rights and only a moron like old Tarky would sit there typing drivel about how good Lennox was defensively.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:13 am 


Lewis absorbed jab after jab against both Mercer and Bruno. Men who he had a longer reach than . Lennox always poked his jab out , it was never in the same league as guys like Ali , Holmes , Liston or Foreman . Lennox was always an average boxer , slow feet , poor balance . What he did have was size, very good hand speed , power , strength , intelligence and a strong will ( despite his average at best chin ) . You are a fool who pretends to know boxing.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:08 am 


Actually Tark all Emanuel Stewards fighters have the same style , a sure sign he is a mediocre trainer. None of Stewards fighters know how to fight on the inside . Watch Hearns against Hagler and Leonard , McClelland against Benn. Emmanuel just kept teaching kids how to ki8d smashed. Look at Kronk. Hilmer Kenty , Hearns , McCrory , McClelland . All punchy. None with any idea of how to defend themselves. Ali may have been unorthodox but he was a cleverer fighter than anyone Emmanuel Stewart taught. 9 I dont count Wlad , he was a world champion when Steward took over his career.

Nacho Berestain is a far better trainer than Steward. He is one guy I really love listening to or reading about. Unlike Steward he NEVER lapsed into cliches.

Lewis was a defensive robot you idiot . So using your logic Jake LaMotta and Basilio were GREAT defenders as they had many fights , lived to be in their 80s-90s and werent punchy.

Youre a joke. A poisonous old attention seeking joke.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:05 am 


Idiot says…, “Judging Lewis from the Klitschko , Mercer , Bruno , McCall and Rahman fights Lewis had no defence against a left jab or an overhand right TARK.”

Funny thing.., Lewis beat everybody he evr fought except Vitali Klitschko. I’ll concede Vitali beat Lewis because he was winning on all scorecards at the finish — and Vitali’s cuts were caused by illegal contact, which means the fight should have gone to the scorecards…and Vitali was winning on all cards after 6 rounds when the cuts stopped the fight.

However, Lewis beat every other fighter he ever fought because he won his 2 rematches… so how bad could Lewis’s defense be against the jab and overhand right??? Not very… Lewis is very clear mentally today … and talks very clearly and understandably… a credit to his defense. After all, famed Emmanuel steward was his coach for many years and he kept getting better like Wladimir is at 38.

Ali, Frazier, Holyfield, Bowe, and other poor defenders sounded like a mouth full of marbles when they talked… They didn’t stop the incoming — except with their noggins.

Posted June 24, 2014 1:10 am 


Wladimir was defeated by a club fighter and a golfer who he ef used to rematch . He was also left in a heap by Brewster. The Wlad fans claim he was drugged , what actually happened was that like when Evander fought Bowe in their third fight Wladimir’s people got his ped dose wrong .

Same symptoms , exhaustion for no reason . Too many anabolics and not enough EPO ;)

Posted June 24, 2014 12:59 am 


Michael Spinks showed Holmes up as the limited Ali imitator he was. Larry was incapable of throwing a left hook or a right hand that came straight from the shoulder. He refused to give rematches . He had a great jab and a great right uppercut but that is all. He was nearly defeated by old Norton who Ledoux was robbed against and who Shavers crucified .

Holmes also made a career out of ducking number one contenders.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:56 am 


@Pratt…Tark is big boy he doesn’t need you to hold his dck!

Posted June 24, 2014 12:56 am 


Do you really think somebody who sits behind a computer all day voicing their opinions, can shatter somebody’s hero’s? And he usually wrong 99pct. of the time…Gimme a break. Oh and its moron, not moroon. Lol!

Posted June 24, 2014 12:53 am 


Watching the Holmes vs Williams , Homes vs Spinks and Holmes vs Witherspoon fights Larry had a worse eve se than Ali . He epitomises the straight back euro style . Unlike the young Clay Holmes has never ducked under a punch in his life . Larry can’t fight going backwards either , he can fight going side to side but backwards . No. Watch his feeble efforts against Tyson . Holmes looked petrified and poked out his jab like he was truly scared . He hung on like an octopus in the clinches . Holmes did the same thing as an amateur against Duane Bobick. Holmes was always a protected bully and a cherry picker. Unlike Ali he never even unified the title.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:53 am 


Judging Lewis from the Klitschko , Mercer , Bruno , McCall and Rahman fights he had no defence against a left jab or an overhand right TARK . You are a simpleton and knock off the fake familiarity with great past fighters you ridiculous fraud.

You have pugilista dementia.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:48 am 


right. the brains of these macaroons are shattered already.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:44 am 


Tark you are shattering the heroes of some of these maroons.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:36 am 


You’re using different names and putting in FAKE TARKS… Waste your time moron

Posted June 24, 2014 12:20 am 



Posted June 24, 2014 12:11 am 


Tark please put that crack pipe down. It’s only Monday…

Posted June 24, 2014 12:02 am 


Quit telling bad jokes, this is suppose to be a real boxing forum.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:00 am 


David Toe Haye would have beat the great Muhammed Ali!!!!

Posted June 23, 2014 11:58 pm 


Some idiot’s here have IQs under 50… They can’t comprehend facts.. Ali had defensive holes in his game and was wide open for left hooks.. Norton always said Ali was easy to hit with a jab.. Holmes sparred with Ali for years and said the same thing.. Ali was easy to nail with left hooks too. You saw how successful Joe Frazier was at hitting Foreman with left hooks.. He wasn’t.. but Ali? Yes.

Tyson was much bigger and more powerful than Frazier.. Tyson didn’t fight guys the size of Terry Daniels and Dave Zygelwitz.. Tyson fought guys the size of Frank Bruno, James Smith, Razor Ruddock.. They couldn’t box any better than Foreman and Tyson simply out-sped them.

Alex Steward beat the Hell out of Foreman for the duration — but couldn’t hang for a minute with the speedy young Tyson.

The guys Tyson had trouble with where big, tall, fast, slick, good boxers, who could also punch. Ali couldn’t hurt China-chinned Ken Norton — who was KO’d 4 times by big hitters Garcia, Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney.

Michael Spinks was 6’2″ X 212 for Tyson but didn’t have a prayer. Didn’t have the power. Micheal Spinks just wasn’t strong enough. He was strong enough to beat Larry Holmes twice — but didn’t have a prayer with Tyson.

Ali’s chief trainer for many years, Angelo Dundee, never boxed in his life..

Cus D’Amato never boxed either, but he was a skilled matchmaker and very intuitive…

Trainers like Kevin Rooney, who had pro experience, and trained guys under Cus.. D’Amato said the guy who Tyson needed to avoid was Lewis — like he kept Patterson away from Sonny Liston.. Lewis was too big, tall, strong, powerful, skilled, and fast. Tyson and Lewis sparred and the session confirmed Cus’s fears. Lewis knocked Riddick Bowe out in the amateurs… Bowe refused to face him in the pros … Tyson and Holyfield waited almost their whole careers to fight Lewis.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:56 pm 


hmmm holyfield at least drew with valuev. Tyson would destroy these old time heavies prior to dempsy. They were too amateur and raw.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:38 pm 


Holyfield and even Haye have proved that this myth about these monster heavyweights being unbeatable is baloney. Old Evander beat Valuev , he took Lewis 24 rounds without being hurt , he beat Tyson to pieces .

Ancient James Toney and Roy Jones had success at heavyweight Tark. Just as Jimmy Ellis did . Not much has changed except that modern heavies load up on PEDs for extra power and strength while having poor technique and endurance. The whole game changed when they removed the championship rounds . Endurance became less important .

By the way , you’re an idiot :)

Posted June 23, 2014 11:31 pm 

Senility and Bias

Haye was on the canvas many times in the Thompson and Klitschko fights that he had a bruised arse , TARK .

Posted June 23, 2014 11:24 pm 


There’s nothing wrong w/the last 3 posts that TARK made.

Just common sense except to the Ali sniffers. Ali was the best in his era, but wouldn’t be a fringe contender today. He admitted himself that he wasn’t a big puncher in his era !

If J Frazier could defeat Ali so could Tyson. However Tyson would lose to any big, mobile, hard hitting modern HW. Hell Douglas beat a young prime Tyson.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:23 pm 

Senility and Bias

Your name is TARK……

Posted June 23, 2014 11:22 pm 


Don’t waste your time, that dude is a liar and don’t know sht about boxing…

Posted June 23, 2014 10:52 pm 

G Code

This is a boxing forum not comedy club Tark.

Posted June 23, 2014 10:38 pm 


So apparently Tark thinks David “TOE” Haye would’ve knocked out Muhammed Ali!!!! Oh my god. This sight is becoming not relevant anymore…

Posted June 23, 2014 10:13 pm 


Tark are you a part time comic or something?..

Posted June 23, 2014 10:00 pm 


Evander Holyfled was 6’2″ X 218… He Hammered out a 4 years younger MT.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:56 pm 


Tyson would have knocked Ali out… but any big, tall, strong heavyweight who can box and punch beat Tyson.

Buster Douglas was 6’4″ X 232… He hammered out a young Tyson.

Evander Holyfled was 6’2″ X 218… He Hammered out a 4 months younger MT.

Lennox Lewis was 6’5″ X 250… He smashed Tyson flat out cold.

All of them were older than Tyson.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:55 pm 


Wladimir Klitschko beat David Haye in very dominant fashion… Haye had far more punching power and speed than Ali ever had… Haye trained much harder as well, and defends himself far better than Ali did.

I don’t remember seeing Haye on the canvas. His defensive skills are masterful and he has razor sharp reflexes.

Ali hid behind his gloves and took too many punches… Ali couldn’t punch… He couldn’t even KO lowly Alfredo Evangelista, a bum even Leon Spinks knocked out.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:50 pm 


@The Bible of boxing…you fagots are are joke. Tyson was killer! Watch the tapes you stupid fool!

Posted June 23, 2014 9:42 pm 

Says you Stupid

You wouldn’t know shlt from grits if somebody stuffed your mouth with it

Posted June 23, 2014 9:40 pm 

The Bible of Boxing

Stop the nonsense about Tyson being a killer when he was young. When he was young, he faced nobodies, tomato cans and has beens. Of course he would look really great beating those guys. Even then when he faced a decent, strong, tall, big fighter with a decent chin, he could score the spectacular ko’s.
Beacuse he had so many ko’s early, many guys went in scared and lost even before a punch was thrown. Look at when he won the WBA title vs Bruce Seldon. That punch was just like Ali’s phantom punch vs Liston 2. admitted he was really scared and started to fall like Lou Costello, the dead comedian, long before he even got hit.
Later when his aura of invincibility was shattered, no one was scared before the fight. He lost his advantage and he quickly went downhill. I repeat, anyone, even Gary Russell Jr could look great until matched against someone who could fight back. Did Gary suddenly lose his skill? He did not know how to set up punches, move his feet or change his shot selection. Worse, he had no defence, just fast hands. Russell had damaged hands or he would have had more ko’s against bums. Tyson could have been great if he was taller.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:37 pm 

E sucks turds

anonymous, you never did sh!t except make people faint from your stench.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:19 pm 


Tark hasn’t did sht but jack off on his keyboard.

Posted June 23, 2014 8:19 pm 


@BigMikeTampa…He was scared of needles remember, and has 20 tattoos. Then didn’t want random testing, started at 107 then knocked out 154lbs fighters. Do I need to go on?? His head and neck use to be small like a chiuahaua then all of a sudden its as big as my pitbull.

Posted June 23, 2014 8:06 pm 


I really think that the Klit fight was questioned, because David “TOE” Haye had a broke “TOE”. If it wasn’t for that Haye would’ve knocked that BUM out no question.Lol Haye was his best opponent dating back almost 20yrs. Have a nice day.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:49 pm 


Big Mike Tampa.., “The Ali (Clay) who fought Liston beats a stampeding Tyson.”


In his previous fight 185-pound Henry Cooper almost KO’d Clay with a left hook.

In his fight before that 188-pound Doug Jones beat Ali/Clay up. Most fans thought Jones won that fight.

Liston had a torn left biceps that forced him to quit, but even with his handicap the fight was even on points when Liston retired.

In Liston II Ali refused to go to a neutral corner for the ENTIRE COUNT!!! Ali should have been DQ’d.. Liston got up and resumed fighting — assuming the fight was still on.

Walcott assumed the fight was still on… Ali assumed the fight was still on… Liston assumed the fight was still on since he never got a count… Only Nat Fleischer assumed the fight was over.

It WASN’T… When a boxer refuses to go to a neutral corner the count is suspended… like happened in Dempsey-Tunney II… Nat Fleisher didn’t know that but bullied Walcott into stopping the fight.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:38 pm 


Slim- Yeah, that gash over ‘Enrys eye was absolutely ghastly!

Posted June 23, 2014 7:19 pm 


Slim- Where did you see it proven Pac was on roids? Cant argue the others even though I like Mosley, Holy and Jones a lot but yep….guilty.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:17 pm 


When some posters line up about Ali v Tyson they may have certain images in mind. When recalling memories of Tyson most of us see the destroyer who menaced the heavyweights for a short 3-4 year prime. W Ali many recall the more sluggish, less defensive fighter (v Shavers, Ellis etc..) as it is such a stark contrast from his true prime (of which we all know he lost a valuable 3 years w military entanglements). The Ali (Clay) who fought Liston in first fight beats a stampeding Tyson. He simply was not intimidated and would sidestep, counter and slice Mike up. Mike is one of my all time favorites btw.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:08 pm 


Tark- Did Ali kill one of your family members? Hahaha! Your disdain for that man blurs your opinion

Posted June 23, 2014 6:38 pm 


@Pratt…cheating has been going on in boxing for over 100 years easy. You have Aaron Pryor with the secret drink, Margacheato with the plaster of Paris, Holyfield with the steroids, PacMan with the steroids, Sonny Liston with the pepper on the gloves, Maidana constantly hitting below the belt and behind the head. People cheat! But the bottom line is Ali TKO’d Henry Cooper TWICE. So GTFOH with that crap you stupid moron. Have a nice day.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:29 pm 


Tyson story is good reading, but author forget to mention a quote of Mike Tyson where he said that in a fight a fighter has a plan, and that plan can go out the window once that fighter gets hit hard by the other guy. This analysis of Mike Tyson also applies to himself. He could have been nailed by a Dempsey overhand right and DOWN GOES TYSON, DOWN GOES TYSON, DOWN GOES TYSON, and Dempsey is towering over Mike waiting to kill him when he tries get up with his mouth piece hanging out the corner of his mouth, much like the Douglas fight. And Douglas would have done the same thing in the old rules, wait for Mike to get up and KO him. Also, do not forget the other guys Tyson is facing are also wearing the horse hair lined light weight leather gloves. And Tyson did not have a head like granite. He is vulnerable a to a heavy punch like everybody, and heavy handed guys like Marciano, Dempsey, Lewis, and other big guys would push Mike off and nail him with an upper cut with those killer gloves. So, what if this and that, and this and that. Mike might have been Kayoed by any of these guys. What if, what if, but what is…is. And Mike was not a product of that era. Period. We can also move Mike forward and have him fight the 250 plus pounders of today. And watch the Lennox Lewis / Tyson fight and you see what happens in Mikes future. He gets KO’d by Big George, WK, VK, Pulev, Lewis and maybe a few others. So now what.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:59 pm 



“Head Hunter” Is an absolutely brilliant moniker. I wonder if any boxer has used that nickname? It evokes an image of days gone by, when vast swathes of the globe hadn’t yet been discovered or mapped and it was a very real possibility that you could end up the victim of one of those savage head hunters, with your head on a pike and the rest of your body in the pot ready to be served up as dinner! Ha ha!

I only wish he had used that moniker instead of Iron Mike!

Great post Squared!

Posted June 23, 2014 4:58 pm 


Ali being knocked goofy by Cooper Left Hook is not a myth. Ali was out on his feet after he was on his azz, and was saved by Angelo. No myth there either.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:31 pm 

turbo hamster on tequila

Watch video of Ali Cooper. The glove tearing cost 15 seconds. Anything else is myth

Posted June 23, 2014 4:08 pm 

turbo hamster on tequila

The Dundee glove ripping in the copper fight was a myth propogated by Angelo, and tried by people more interested in a story than truth. You can watch video on you tube of that fight and see via the counter the break between rounds was only extended by10-15 seconds.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:07 pm 

turbo hamster on tequila


Posted June 23, 2014 4:04 pm 


no heavyweight had the stamina of marciano.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:43 pm 


wladdy has beat great fighters like david toe haye.LMFAO.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:40 pm 


@ TARK – You try to excuse Wlad’s losses by stating that they were all pre-Steward (not true actually – Steward trained Wlad during the Brewster loss), yet you conveniently ignore that Tyson was undefeated when trained by Kevin Rooney.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:29 pm 


Tyson was washed by the time he fought Lennox Lewis. And definitely by the time he fought Kevin McBride, and Williams. But NOT when he fought Buster Douglas. That was a straight beat down. And I do believe the Klits would’ve been too big for him…even early in his career.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:23 pm 


E you’re a pathetic hater… Tyson fought Williams and McBride when he was offered fights with the Klitschkos. Tyson said, “They’re too big and strong for me.” … Seems Williams and McBride were too big and strong for Mike too. His best punches had little effect on them.

McBride didn’t qualify to fight a Klitschko… But he qualified to fight Klitschko victim Mariusz Wach — and got smashed into a coma… ICED!!!

Buster Douglas (6’4″ X 232) was too big and strong for Tyson too… Mike got knocked out of course — and he was 23 years old… Was that after his prime???

Vitali has never even been knocked down — and don’t talk about Wladimir getting stopped 3 times… That was before Emmanuel Steward straightened out WK’s stance, footwork and defensive flaws.

Wladmir Klitschko.., “Vitali was a natural fighter…a born fighter. Boxing technique evolved with him naturally through the thought process… I needed a great trainer like Emmanuel Steward to teach me the game and correct everything I did wrong — which was a lot.”

Posted June 23, 2014 2:56 pm 


Mike Tyson vs Joe Louis ? I pick Jou Loius knocking out Tyson in the 2nd round

Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano ? I don’t know who wins on this one but I think Rocky punchs harder than even Tyson

I even think Marciano punched harder than Foreman and Earnie Shavers

Posted June 23, 2014 2:46 pm 


Tark and Big Ham are butt buddies. lol

Posted June 23, 2014 2:46 pm 



Posted June 23, 2014 2:42 pm 



You claim lifting weights slows you down.

You do realize that sprinters lift tremendous amounts of weights.

Are they slowing themselves down?

Did Holyfield slow down as a 26 yo, 215 heavy, vs a 25 yo, 195 lb cruiser?

Weight trained Marquez looks faster than the fat Marquez that fought Mayweather years ago.

Weights did not slow down David Haye either.

Or Wlad.

Bruce Lee lifted far more weights in his Enter the Dragon phase than his Big Boss phase. Did he look like he got slower to you?

Posted June 23, 2014 2:40 pm 

Big Ham

Where i am ok with Ali being ranked number 1 of all time, is on the historic signifigance of his fights. The attention he brought to the sport. The crossover appeal and controversy that surrounded him. And a very long career including a championship reign well past his prime. But no i would not pick him over a prime Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Ibeabuchi. Being a larger than life figure helps your stature in the sport. Arturo Gatti is in the hall of fame. Demarcus Corely is not. They fought at the same weight division in their respective primes and i would have picked chop chop Corely to win over Gatti. I think Ali would need a controversial scorecard to win a decision over Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano. Both guys would eventually land really hard shots particularly on the ropes and would do more damage. Ali would need the judges from Provodnikov vs Algeiri to win those fights.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:29 pm 

Big Ham

Ali also did not have the power of Marciano. The workrate and Stamina of frazier or Marciano. He sure as hell did not have the combination punching ability of Joe Louis. He virtually no body punching whatsoever. And importantly to me is he lacked the subtle craft and defense of Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore type fighters. He was bigger than the 185lb era of HW’s and he was good at running and pot shoting. His athletic ability was enough to be the Eddie Machen’s and Joe Bugners of the 60’s. And he was able to win sometimes dubiously in the 70’s against the larger slower HW’s like Ron Lyle and Norton. George Foreman is partially to blame for his loss to Ali, he fought a terrible fight and gassed out. He should have outworked him over 15 and understood it was an outdoor summer fight in Africa. The 90’s Foreman actually had Modern boxing training and technique, he improved his technique tremendously from the Ali fight.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:21 pm 

Big Ham

Now as to a prime Ali in the 1960’s. Great athlete, good accurate puncher. Great fighter. Best of all time? Not quite. He basically was a jab and move and throw a right hand type of fighter. One dimensional but very very fast. And he was able to win because of his speed. He did not have a good work rate. If you take a 1969 Joe Frazier and a 1967 Ali and make them fight 5 times. Joe would win everytime. That’s also why i pick Tyson over Ali head to head. Tyson DID have heart in his prime and he also had more size, more power, and even more speed then Joe Frazier. Joe had better stamina than Mike and was a little better at closing the distance. However a prime Tyson still did well in those area’s. Tyson also has a better chin than Joe. These are factors i look at in comparing Ali against another figther PRIME fo PRIME.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:14 pm 

Big Ham

I am somewhat of an Ali debunker myself. I have no problem with people rating his #1 of all time ( i don’t). But it take issue when people say he would have beaten all our modern fighers. Or the fighters that came before him. Go back to my earlier comments about the evolution of the sport. The strategies on how to win rounds, and training and such. Ali did some things that were new to the sport at the time that are common place now. The way he would move and use footwork was ahead of it’s time there were not many heavyweight champions that fought that way.
The Ali of the 70’s in which he built he legacy, was not an impressive figure to me. He was a lazy HW with terrible defense and a great chin who let fighters punch on him till they were tired then he would flurry late into the 12-15th rounds to stop them, often times in un air conditioned buildings in summer no less. His fight with Ron Lyle was absolutely pathetic, ditto for Wepner. Can you imagine had that been Klitschko instead of Chuck Wepner?

Posted June 23, 2014 2:06 pm 


No Slim he criticizes Muhammed Ali cause hes a racist fagot who don’t sht about boxing. Him or his boyfriend Ecat. Tark couldn’t box his way out of a paper bag.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:22 pm 


Maybe Tark really did box, maybe that explains why he criticizes “Ali”. hes been hit in the head too many

Posted June 23, 2014 1:18 pm 


He was the exciting fighter arguably ever in terms of the excitement and atmosphere he created, waiting for a Tyson fight was just incredible……compulsive viewing to the max. This is an interesting read…but is nothing more than a debate starter, he was great…..but he wasn’t the greatest and for the ..”this era that era”…question who the hell knows, Holyfield and Lewis I firmly believe would have taken care of a 21 Year old Tyson.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:07 pm 


Tark bragging that Kevin McBride and Danny Williams knocked out Mike Tyson and the Klits beat them easy. Tyson was old and completely washed up by that time stupid. If Tyson met the Klits when he was in his prime, he would’ve knocked the Klits heads off…Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 1:00 pm 


Tark and Ecat are butt buddies, and Tark claims he was a boxer and trained 100 fighters. Tark you lying piece of sht. If you even dreamed you boxed you need to wake up and apologize. Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 12:46 pm 


Unbelievable !
You insulted my wife “mud shark“, now you are attacking my old friend ECAT “too stupid to understand”, enough already!
ECAT is in Brazil (WorldCup) since Saturday, most of the time without web access, he can’t defend himself
so stop insulting her.
i’m a huge Muhammad Ali Fan myself i totally disagree with TARK and ECAT thats no reason to insult them.


Posted June 23, 2014 12:23 pm 


Post below is from me, Hafidh.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:22 pm 


In the mid 80’s, Tyson was the top dog pound for pound, how can some of you forget that? Not Roy Jones, not Oscar “like to wear women underwear” De La Hoya, not Pretty Girl Floyd Mayweather it was Tyson the killer. Tyson made me fall in love with boxing he was special.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:21 pm 


Unbelievable !
You insulted my wife “mud shark“, now you are attacking my old friend Ecat “too stupid to understand”, enough already!

ECAT is in Brazil (WorldCup) since Saturday, most of time without web access, he can’t defend himself
so stop insulting her.

i’m a huge Muhammad Ali Fan myself i totally disagree with TARK and ECAT thats no reason to insult them.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:20 pm 

Captain Chaos

@ DMX, yes what you say about Lennox beating Tyson when they were young, in the catskills was true, Tyson would never have beaten lewis at any time IMO, the same as he would have never beaten Holyfield, Lewis and holyfield wasn’t scared of him which took away Tyson’s power. I like Tyson though he just wasn’t the great some people think.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:45 am 

rat on tequila

Ali vs Tyson? Tyson

Ali vs Haye? Haye

Posted June 23, 2014 11:35 am 


Tyson would KO Ali, Liston, Lewis, Bowe, Morrison, Mercer, both Klitschko brothers, Shannon The Cannon Briggs and Foreman inside of 6 rounds. The fights never needed to happen as I already know the outcome. That is what makes me the greatest fight PROPHET ever born.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:34 am 


john digby – if you know boxing…Tyson had Douglas KO’d longest 10 count ever lol

Posted June 23, 2014 11:23 am 


Tyson vs Ali? Tyson

Posted June 23, 2014 11:19 am 


Tyson was explosive for the first 5 rounds, if he got into a grinding 15 rounder with the likes frazier, Forman or Ali? I don’t know, I think he would have lost to all 3.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:04 am 


@ DAN …”On whose list is Berbick, Thomas and tucker world class?” ……… Berbick , Thomas and Tucker all won one of the three main WORLD title belts. So did Tubbs, And so did Bruno. ….I’m not saying they were top 10 all time greats, but they were certainly world class heavyweights.

Posted June 23, 2014 10:43 am 


We’ll never see another war like Ali – Frazier again.
Ali’s legs and reflexes couldn’t keep him away from Joe’s hooks. In his prime, Ali likely toys w/ him. Never gets near the ropes, nor give rounds away like that. And, especially doesn’t keep eating those hooks. But his real prime was gone. Once Joe knew he could take anything that Ali could throw, he was willing to do just that in order to get inside and wail on Ali.
Three best fights ever. People argue Ali won this? Just stop, he lost. Even if you eliminate the hook that dropped him, he still lost. But took the next two. 

Posted June 23, 2014 10:40 am 


Dan: Tyson cleaned up the heavyweight division in like 1-2 years and defended his title 10 times, undisputed champ, if this is not dominant what it is?

Posted June 23, 2014 9:52 am 


Like Tyson said: fighters gets better era by era, better training technique, better diet, better vitamins lol…. Marciano was tailor made for Tyson.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:49 am 


Tyson didn’t even dominate his own era. How will he beat the best of yesteryear?

Posted June 23, 2014 9:18 am 


On whose list is Berbick, Thomas and tucker world class? Holmes was dug out of 2 year retirement and paid mega bucks to give tysons record a name, he even said is was all for the money. Bruno may have fought for world titles and as much as we live him he was not world class. Tyson beat no other hall of famer, of world class fighter outside of a past it and in retirement Holmes.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:01 am 


It seems people have rewritten their own “history” when it comes to Tyson. Most of this talk about how “as soon as a world class opponent wasn’t intimidated by Tyson and could take his punch, they beat him”, it’s nonsense. Nonsense. Berbick, Holmes, Tucker, Tubbs, Bruno, Thomas, Biggs and Williams were all world class opponents. Rewatch the fights. All of them came to win, and gave it 100%. They certainly didn’t freeze and simply fall over. You could possibly accuse Spinks and Smith of doing this but no way can this be said of Mike’s other victims between 86-89.

Posted June 23, 2014 8:28 am 



I would add Charles Sonny Liston to that list. He had the attributes at that time to have dominated for a very long time. I don’t know if rumours about The Mob are true or if he was several years older than his official age or whatever, but be had a world class jab and could punch along with his fearsome persona. We will never know as his whole life (and death) seems to be shrouded in total mystery.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:46 am 



I remember Tony Tubbs Laurel and Hardy huge shorts pulled up under his nipples
They were enormous . . . The biggest pair of shorts to ever take park in a world title contest

Hilarious . . .

Posted June 23, 2014 6:25 am


You hit the nail on the head re Laurel and Hardy shorts. He was the human Michelin Man with more spare tyres than Pirrelli.

Funny thing is he came to fight and used a good sharp jab and dug to Tyson’s body quite a few times. But, it was his willingness to stand in front of Mike and trade that got him taken out with a shot to the body followed up by a vicious hook to his temple.

They may have been fatsos back then, but they all came to fight.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:42 am 


Mike Tyson and George Foreman are the the most physically fierce specimen the world have ever seen. Unfortunately the world never saw them in their absolute peak as they never reach not even a portion of what they could. They are the biggest underachievers the sport has seen. Tyson was derailed well before he faced Buster Douglas by forces outside the ring. At 22 Tyson wasn’t prepared for the fame, the fortune and the opportunists. He lost focus when he just started to develop his boxing skills and that was it. Tyson is the biggest waste of talent in boxing history.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:25 am 


Stupid article! Doesnt take into account the advancement in training techniques, nutrition etc. Simply pits 80-90’s tyson over old fighters. Dempsey wasnt the only fighter tyson mimiced. Also joe frazier. If tyson was around at turn of century he wouldnt fight that way because he would habe had nobody to emulate. Wouldnt be the same size cos he wouldnt have been training the same way and wouldnt have had Cus Damatto.

So dumb article IMO!

Posted June 23, 2014 6:51 am 


Klitchko Bros are the best ever!

Posted June 23, 2014 6:36 am 


I remember Tony Tubbs Laurel and Hardy huge shorts pulled up under his nipples
They were enormous . . . The biggest pair of shorts to ever take park in a world title contest

Hilarious . . .

Posted June 23, 2014 6:25 am 


@Myles…Quanity is not the same as quality.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:22 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Tyson was a very exciting fighter to watch because he was a head hunter. However, when a fighter refused to be intimidated by him and could take his punches for five rounds, he would start to fade and crumble.

Hey Squared,

Did you see the body punch TYSON landed on Tony Tubbs? When it landed you could almost see the wind spill out of the butterball and I damn near swear I thought Tubbs was going to explode and go BANG! That’s the nearest I’ve seen a guy almost explode in the ring! It was hilarious.

Actually, Mike was a very underrated body puncher and because be was a natural southpaw he set up a lot of his finishes from that stance.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:21 am 

G Code

Tark the only thing you’ve fought is your keyboard, Lol. you nut hugger. I agree slim those Klit brothers haven’t fought anybody in over 20yrs.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:19 am 


Lewis beat up young Tyson in a Spar in the Catskils infront of his old mentor Cus
Tyson dodged Lewis for most of his career until Judgement Day came
He had run out of escape routes
Like a cornered rodent
He went on the attack at a Pre Fight Face Off, he jumped on Lewis before getting a slap
He sank his teeth into his leg, before the famous crotch holding put him in a “straight jacket” tirade

This insane act to put Lewis out of his game back fired
Yes Lewis paid this little punk too much respect but a big right hand closed the show on this mental tattooed circus act
Had they fought 5 Years earlier or 15 Years the result would be the same

Lewis Win by KO

Posted June 23, 2014 6:18 am 


How can the Klitschko Brothers competition be subpar when there’s 4 times as many pro boxers today as in the ’70’s. All Eastern Europe World Champions: such as Kovalev, Golovkin, Klitschko, and Lomachenko come from countries where professional boxing infrastructures didn’t even exist in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80’s.

Plus the world population has tripled. There’s a bigger talent pool even without the Soviet Block countries contributing many fine athletes.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:13 am 


I agree with the author that a prime Mike would have cleared up against these old legends. ….

However, if Jack Johnson and Dempsey had the advantages that boxers have had from 1980 – present, things could be far more competitive. With the major advancements in sports science and nutrition, 190-200 pound guys from the early 1900’s could easily have bulked up to a lean 215-225 pounds. Just look at Holyfield and Haye as examples in recent times. Many of the 230 pound heavyweights of the last 10-15 years could also easily drop to 210 – they’re not really as big framed as the scales may indicate.

And these days it’s no trouble at all for top prospects to link up with great trainers. Had Roach or Steward trained one of these old legends they’d be far more formidable fighters.

A 6 foot 2 inches Jack Johnson coming in at a solid 225 pounds, after having several years training under Manny Steward. Now that would have been one helluva fighter, and one that even a peak Tyson would have struggled with IMO.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:07 am 


G Code/E… How would you know? Shut your lying face you stinky piece of filth.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:00 am 


@Myles…I never put down the Klits accomplishments retard. I just said there competition level was sub-par. Their toughest opponent to date is still David “TOE” Haye. Not one HOF on the list…and none of them will be. Have a nice day.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:59 am 


E you’re an idiot and liar… Any boxing guy my age knows Ali beat Cooper twice.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:55 am 


Slim, you put down the Klitschko’s accomplishments, so according to your own criteria you’re a rotten bastard.

Ali’s defense wasn’t that stellar in his 20’s. He got floored by left hooks from Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, and Joe Frazier in his 20’s. Norton broke his jaw when he was 31.

Ali pulled straight back from looping punches, which is something you learn NOT to do as a competitive amateur. Ali didn’t progress a lot, because he wasn’t that interested in really learning his craft. Not the way Wladimir, Sergei, Vasyl, Guillermo, and Gennady are. They work hard at it.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:52 am 


A 1986-88 Tyson Vs a prime Lewis would have resembled Tyson/Tucker (1987) IMO. That’s assuming Lennox didn’t get blasted out Rahman/McCall style of course. The 2002 match-up was was the equivalent of Marciano beating a washed up Louis – it meant diddley squat FA.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:48 am 


I’m not a big fan of speculating on what would happen if boxers from different eras faced each other. But having said that I can’t stand those who think that even a prime Mike Tyson would’ve beaten every great heavyweight in history.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:47 am 

G Code

Tark you lying you never fought as pro. quit lying

Posted June 23, 2014 5:45 am 


Tark you claim you trained hundreds of fighters?? You lying piece of sht. You didn’t even know Ali TKO’d Henry Cooper twice..

Posted June 23, 2014 5:28 am 


Tark you lying piece of sht you ain’t never put a glove on in your life LOL. And if you did you got your ass whooped fagot. where’s Ecat your lover LOL.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:24 am 


Any person who puts down another person accomplishments is rotten individual. But anyway I never said it was a big deal. I was making a point that getting knocked down doesn’t mean sht. And the fact you trained fighters and boxed that’s cool. Now see i’m real man not rotten individual. See the difference? Ali defense did diminish as he got older. He was in a whole lot tougher fights then your boyfriends the Klits. Have a nice day.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:18 am 


At 23 Tyson was knocked out by 42:1 underdog Buster Douglas… Tyson never beat a good boxer after that. His defense was so bad he was already just about washed up.

He really didn’t work at his craft — he was strictly a great puncher.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:14 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Another hypothetical article, but I’d back a prime Bob Fitzsimmons to KO Tyson.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:13 am 


Slim.., Golden Glove boxing doesn’t mean anything. I boxed amateur and pro and trained hundreds of boxers.

The fact is Ali was fairly easy to hit.. He took too many punches. He was NOT the man. He was pretty much washed up when amateurish neophyte, 197-pound Leon Spinks beat Ali at age 36… His poor defense caught up with him.

Wladimir Klitschko had many more amateur fights and more pro fights, defends much better … and he’s still going strong at age 38.

BTW.. Mike Tyson was knocked out at 36 and 38 by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride… guys who Vitali Klitschko and Mariusz Wach very easily knocked out.

Tyson’s defense was not stellar either, and he didn’t last long.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:08 am 

Captain Chaos

Marciano was mentally and physically a lot tougher than mike, he would have taken his best punches and paid him back in spades, Marcian ko win in 7.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:04 am 


Tark and Ecat or butt buddies slim don’t waste your time telling them about Ali their too stupid too understand.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:50 am 


Henry Cooper got TKO’d twice by Ali, WTF are you talking about TArk

Posted June 23, 2014 4:42 am 


If you ever have time, get online and watch Ron Lyle vs. George Foreman. They both went down about 5-6 times, people bring their best when they are fighting the best…

Posted June 23, 2014 4:38 am 


Tark not bragging but I boxed on the golden glove circuit as a teenager for 5yrs. One of the first things they teach you is anybody can be knocked down. But did you get back up is the question…Did you see how fast Ali got up when frazier dropped him in the first fight. That don’t mean sht man…

Posted June 23, 2014 4:35 am 


I also think Gene Tunney would have boxed the piss out of Ali — but Tunney would have been run over by Tyson like Michael Spinks was.

Didn’t 185-pound Henry Cooper floor Ali and left hook Ali all over the ring?

188-pound Doug Jones hit Clay with many hard punches in a very close fight.

Tunney was a solid and very strong 192 for Tom Heeney, which he called his best fight.. Tunney was 10 X better than Doug Jones or Henry Cooper, who easily hit Ali almost at will.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:30 am 


It’s well known that Mike was. “On Top” fighter
Not once in his career did he overcome adversity, come from behind on the scorecards for a barnstorming finish
He bore all the hallmarks of a ring bully
Not sure he would handle the no nonsense fouls of early fighters
The headbutts. . . Forearms. . . Elbows

Every time Velvet Mike got cut , he unravelled, the game plan went out the window and he b!tched, moaned and whined to anyone that would listen

. . . . My kids won’t recognise me . . Aghhhh . .

Harden up Gerald and get a tea spoon of cement into ya

Posted June 23, 2014 4:26 am 


Slim you’re crazy… Liston held “Clay” even on the scorecards through 6 rounds, even though he suffered a torn left biceps and couldn’t fight at all..

Liston was not beaten in the 2nd fight… He was robbed blind… Ali should have been DQ’d for repeated ignoring the referee’s order to go to a neutral corner.

Did Ali ignore Walcott’s EXPLICIT and REPEATED orders to go to a neutral corner — denying Liston a count by the referee??? ANSWER THAT!!!!!

Posted June 23, 2014 4:21 am 


So your boyfriend “Klit” didn’t really beat David “TOE” Haye either cause his toe was hurt. Lol And Cotto didn’t really beat Martinez cause his knee was hurt right?? Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 4:14 am 


I don’t think Ali ever really beat Liston anyway… Liston tore his left biceps in the 1st fight…

The scorecards were even when Liston was forced to quit the 1st fight — because of the torn biceps — which 7 different doctors examined the injury and confirmed that it was a disabling injury.

In the 2nd fight Ali should have been DQ’d… He refused to go to a neutral corner when he knocked Liston down… Walcott never even got a chance to count over Liston because he was trying to shove Ali to a neutral corner.

That has never happened in any other fight I’ve ever watched — where a boxer refused to go to a neutral corner for an entire 10 count — and the fallen boxer was ruled out AFTER he got up and resumed fighting.

Liston got no count at all… The rules specifically state, a fallen boxer is counted out by the referee, not the timekeeper. Liston lost his boxing license all over the USA for years — because the commission said he shouldn’t have gone down from such a light punch… more garbage.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:06 am 


yo says.., “Holyfield feasted on aggressive fighters who would mix it up with him.”

Not really.

Riddick Bowe was a wide open brawler who even Herbie Hide was boxing the piss out of for 3 rounds.. Lumbering ape Andrew Golota beat the crap out of Bowe — however, Bowe still beat Holyfield in their trilogy … and knocked him down 3 times.

yo says.., “Ali makes Holy look stupid and ko’s him in six.”

Holyfield was a lot tougher and better than Ken Norton, who was an uncoordinated blooper swinger, with a China-chin… Norton beat the crap out of a 31-year-old Ali… Holyfield beats Ali worse than wide open Norton did.

Ali was extremely punchable. There was nobody for Ali to fght in the 60’s except a very old Sonny Liston.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:53 am 


Monte Cox is an idiot… “No standing 8 counts, no saved by the bell”

Fighters WERE saved by the bell… They’re not saved by the bell TODAY!!!

Willard would have been knocked out in the first round of the Dempsey fight today.. The bell rang before the count was completed and saved him from the KO. They ordered Dempsey back into the ring and the fight to continue because part of the count was completed after the 3-minute round was over. The referee just didn’t hear the bell.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:42 am 


Holyfield barely beat a 42 year old Larry Holmes.

Holyfield was clowned by Chris Byrd and Larry Donald.

He was embarrassed and ko’ed by Fatman Toney.

Holyfield’s weakness was mobile boxers with good defense.

Holyfield feasted on aggressive fighters who would mix it up with him.

Ali makes Holy look stupid and ko’s him in six.

Rumble, Young Man, Rumble.

32-36 year old Holy smokes 32-36 year old Ali though.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:08 am 

Bo Bo Olson

Williams was an old 34-5 yer old coming off a gut shot, washed up shadow of himself. 34 was old in the days of deep talent pool single line of contenders. Which was why Liston lied about his age…no one paid to watch old fighters. Folie was a washed up old man at 35.

Rocky fought out of the crouch and all the top fighters said he was very hard to hit. …Ali said Rock cut off the ring better than any one he faced…in the Computer fight. Rocky trained as if he was making weight….once coming in 3 pounds heavy and felt sluggish.* Billy Conn fought at 167 not 175 because it was his best fighting weight. IMO Rocky’d lose to Tyson…by 12 round decision…win in 15.
Conn to win.(smilie)

Posted June 23, 2014 2:37 am 


No version of Holyfield could beat the Ali that fought Cleveland Williams.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:12 am 

Big Ham

Tyson trained like a professional, a dedicated professional from probably his amateur days 1982 till about 1988. By 1989 he was tired of training hard and just felt he could win based on his ego and athletic ability, power, and bad intentions. He lost the hunger and motivation needed to stay focused on training and his fighting skills slipped and eroded. He left Rooney because Rooney worked him hard and he hired a yes man for a trainer instead. He was not a natural boxer and reverted back to a less dimentional slugger by 1989. That is the story on Tyson. His career on an ATG level is fairly not rated overly high. However his peak prime measures higher than his career longevity. Unfortunately it leads people to say he did’nt have heart, or he cracks under pressure once someone fights back ect.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:07 am 

Big Ham

But if you take an older era fighter, pluck him right out of history and give him a one month training camp i think they will not do as well as the historians would hope. I include Ali, Louis, Marciano, Liston. I think if they faced a early 90’s Holyfield, or Late 90’s Lewis they would lose and it would be a learning lesson type loss for them. If they trained in the modern era for 2 years and acclimated i think they would do better. The raw specimen of those old time fighers are outstanding, but i think the sport is different now and they would be better fighters with more potential if they trained like today’s fighters. One contention i will make is that i do thing foregone era fighters had more toughness then most modern fighters.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:02 am 

Big Ham

I tend to think Tyson in head to head all time match ups does very good. I think he was basically past his prime by 23 years old. Which is crazy but it is true. Take him from 1987-88 when he was still committed to professional training camps and his youthful energy/conditioning levels were high and he is a handful for anyone. I also think most “old” time fighters are way overrated to the point of being almost super hero type caliber. Boxing technique did evolve over the years. I think it has been in a decline for awhile and the 1980’s can be considered and ATG peak with fighters like Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Arguello, Holmes, Tyson, Pryor. The 90’s also has some great prime careers as well. Head to head fantasy matchups are terribly flawed even for fantasy. The modern fighter knows who the old time figher is. The old fighter has not had modern training and sparring and nuritional science. I think if you take an old time fighter and give him 2 years in the modern era he would do well.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:57 am 


86 to 89 was his era Tyson did what he was suppose to do.he got the titles he did It at 20 years old that was incredible

Posted June 22, 2014 11:30 pm 

killa kallo

Mike was the sort of special boxer that comes along once in a lifetime. The likes of wich we boxing fans yearn for but will never ever see again. Mike was something trully trully special when he was young. GOAT!!!!!

Posted June 22, 2014 10:26 pm 

killa kallo

Dude marciano would get blown away by iron mike. Marciano would stand and trade with mike and just get blitzed in one maybe two very very brutal rounds. Mike was stronger, heavier, faster, had better foot work and head movement. It would have been an unfair fight

Posted June 22, 2014 10:22 pm 


I remember seeing Mike Tyson in his 15th/16th fight and being totally blown away by his power, speed, aggression and precision.
But this was also at a time when I was disillusioned with the heavyweight scene.
He was a breath of fresh air, and made an immediate impact on anyone else saw him.

He came along at the right time and had his time, but he was done by the time of the Douglas fight.

As usual it is the brightest lights that burn the fastest.

Posted June 22, 2014 9:49 pm 


As for Tyson and the article, nice bit of fun, byt really who knows.
The time gap is too big and we are talking about fighters we hav’nt seen except in the odd case via some grainy off speed film, that will never give justice to who these men really were.

Posted June 22, 2014 9:38 pm 


No fighter gets faster by lifting weights, Ali would have got stronger, but would have lost his best asset of speed.
It’s easy to say if a particular fighter did this or that differently he would be better, but the fact is that everytime you change the formula sometjing else is lost or less significant.

Posted June 22, 2014 9:32 pm 


There is the perception among many that prior to the loss to Buster Douglas, Tyson ko’d all comers left and right. Not true, even prior to Tyson’s the 1 round demo of Michael Spinks both Bonecrusher Smith & Tony Tucker saw the final bell. Tucker actually gave him some resistance. To think Tyson would have knocked out any ATG in the history of the sport is a bit far fetched.

Posted June 22, 2014 9:17 pm 

killa kallo

Iron mike is better than the rest, I must confess!! U people sound so pitifull trying to belittle mikes greatness. I’m sure u were the NUT-HUGGERS who were on his band wagon in his peak years lol

Posted June 22, 2014 8:49 pm 


This really is a dingbat article.

Instead of pumping up a 1980’s era fighter vs 1890 fighters, why not ask what Jack Johnson would do to Tyson if Jack had been born in the same era as Tyson?

Jack would be taller, much heavier, strength trained, and infinitely more skilled than the Johnson born in the 1800’s.

A Mike Tyson starting out today would whip a Mike Tyson that started in the 1980’s.

Part of the reason fighter’s careers last longer now is because of how far nutrition, strength training, and healthy living has progressed.

As late as the 1990’s, Evander Holyfield’s trainers thought he was dumb for lifting weights. Today, every damn boxer lifts weights.

Ali Today would be as muscular as Lennox Lewis in his prime, much faster and better coached nutritionally than the Ali of the 60’s.

Either give fighters of other eras the advantages of today’s era, or don’t compare them at all.

Posted June 22, 2014 8:29 pm 


One of my top five heavyweights of all time! When Cus & Rooney was out the picture, Mike was on fumes and still did pretty OK! Only goes to show how GREAT he couldve been with his mentor & superb trainer at his side, EVEN against the early heavyweights…..In the MAJORITY of cases for GREAT boxers – it seems a good team is even more important than “skilz”!! Imo, as good as he is, Atlas wouldnt have made the glory last, he was no Rooney and definitely no Cus!

Posted June 22, 2014 8:26 pm 

The Bible of Boxing

Early Tyson fought bums who were sacred before they even entered the ring. Even then, whenever he fought a strong, big, tough heavyweight with a decent chin, he had problems. He could not fight out of a clinch if they grabbed him. If he could not have his way with modern heavies, how could he handle old timers who were allowed to tie up and hit etc?
As soon as Tyson fought a guy who was not scared he lost. He again lost to Holyfield for the same reason. And of course Lewis although his chin was suspect, was too big, strong and had too much reach and a deadly jab.
I liked Tyson’s ko’s and was excited whenever he fought but I always told everyone, he will lose when he faces a half decent fighter with the attributes I already mentioned.
If he was about 4-5 inches taller and better reach, he probably would have been as great as people already claim he was. But history would show he was a bully until he met bigger bullies.

Posted June 22, 2014 8:14 pm 


Mike was a real bad ass in the ring in his prime….probably only a peak Larry Holmes would’ve been able to handle him.
Peace….Robbie T

Posted June 22, 2014 7:54 pm 

killa kallo

John digby why u mad lol! U need to go suc on a bone or something. Face it in his prime mike was un****table. U could try to discredit him all u want but wats done its done. He wouldve crushed ur boy lennox too. Get over it dude. And go fetch that bone lmao!!!

Posted June 22, 2014 7:41 pm 

mike s

If you interjected Wladimir Klitschko into this same conversation at this stage in his career, there would be a guy 100-0 (85) .

Posted June 22, 2014 7:27 pm 

killa kallo

Prime tyson vs prime anyone I’m taking my chances with iron mike. What people don’t realise is that mike was a defensive genious in his prime. He seldom got hit flush because of his head movement BUT was always in position to unleash his devastating combinations. Look at the combo he finished off berbick with. Simply breathtaking

Posted June 22, 2014 7:22 pm 

John Digby

Tyson was a bum and I am tired of hearing about Tyson in his prime. When Tyson was in his prime he took a beating for ten rounds before getting knocked out by Douglas who was just a journeyman.

Tyson was also knocked out by Holyfield, Lewis, Williams, and even McBride. In addition, Tyson took yet another beating from Holyfield and bit him like a dog.

Posted June 22, 2014 7:17 pm 

Another sad day for floyd dumb dumbs

Mike before he lost it matches any heavyweight ever, he v the klits would be the best fights if we’re all in their prime.

Posted June 22, 2014 7:13 pm 

killa kallo

Iron mike is simply put, one of the greatest heavyweight of all time. His combination of great chin and unparalled speed and power put mike on a class by himself. People hate on him because of all the bufoonery he did outside the ring. But tyson from 86 to 89 reigned supreme over EVERYONE!!!!

Posted June 22, 2014 7:12 pm 

Paddy O’Trenchant

Tyson peaked very young.

Posted June 22, 2014 6:35 pm 


Prime Tyson vs anyone at anytime, he wins. He was an absolute animal. Such a shame cus wasn’t around to keep him on the straight and narrow. He got real sloppy without the old man.

Posted June 22, 2014 6:18 pm 


not sure he would qualify for one of the greats, but he will be remembered and he was exciting to watch. hes got his place in history. if he had dedicated himself, not had all the hangers on etc. but then that would not have been mike tyson. he was what he was and part of boxings rich history.

Posted June 22, 2014 6:06 pm 



Posted June 22, 2014 6:00 pm 


I think Tyson would have been dangerous for any heavyweight through the first 5 rounds. He was fast, hit hard and he came to fight. After 5 rounds, who knows.

Posted June 22, 2014 5:21 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

what if C-A-T really spelled DOG?

Posted June 22, 2014 5:14 pm 


More “journalism” with an agenda on ESB. What a surprise

Posted June 22, 2014 4:21 pm 


A nice interesting and well thoughtout article. Also the first time I have posted on this excellent website. If fought with these old style rules I dare say Tyson would also have finished off Buster Douglas after the first knockdown. Styles make fights and I would agree the technique, punching power and size of Tyson would beat all these guys. But much as I loved Tyson he just never really won a fight he was losing in, and never climbed off the deck to win after being knocked down. I still loved his autobiography though, simply breathtaking how one guy could burn so much money. Boxing needs the kind of excitement Mike brought to the ring. He would have done the same 100 years ago.

Posted June 22, 2014 4:17 pm 


So tell us about Mike Tyson against a prime Joe Louis, and make it best of three just for fun.

Posted June 22, 2014 4:13 pm 


I love what Mike Tyson stood for; ferocity, technique, fire, power and now I enjoy his humbleness.

however, I do not feel that he belongs in the ranks of the greatest of the greats. When he found adversity, he did fail. Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield would have beaten him every time. These men knew how to control him.

If you transport Mike back to an era when he had the weight advantage at heavyweight like the article suggests, then he’d most likely find success. However, in his own era, his own time, he was merely the best of what we had to offer until Lewis and Holyfield decided to get serious.

I appreciated the article and enjoyed how well it was written, but I can say I’m officially over the “Mike Tyson” mystique…

Posted June 22, 2014 4:06 pm 

sean patrick harrington

Getting knocked the fick out like Mike Tyson. Eminem quote.

Posted June 22, 2014 3:41 pm 


If Tyson went into a time machine, he would arrive to his relative proportion of the era, becoming a smaller verison of himself. I would also allow his competitors ample time to study Tyson and prepare for him and level the field.

Posted June 22, 2014 3:38 pm 


Prime Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson would be interesting though. How early are you talking about?

Posted June 22, 2014 3:35 pm 

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