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Posted March 14, 2014 1:55 pm 



Posted March 14, 2014 12:52 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie and Gonzo are the same psychotic oaf. He spends his time hanging out with all the other deadbeats and drongos at Star Trek and role playing conventions, squeezing the zits off his forehead and picking the lice out of his scr8tum and hiding in dark corners flicking through those pages that are not stuck together on his jazz mags whilst holding in his bottom burps as he gets serviced by his vultures and hairy baboons he talks so fondly of.

Posted March 14, 2014 8:59 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

ROFL. Brother Ernie.

Posted March 13, 2014 6:42 pm 


fury gets put to sleep against Klitchko

Posted March 12, 2014 11:37 pm 


I would love to see the Canelo-Lara fight…

The Top-10 fights I want to see are: Golovkin-Martinez… Kovalev-Stevenson… Mayweather-Pacquiao… Crawford-Gamboa… Rigondeaux-Santa Cruz… Garcia-Provodnikov… Mayweather-Lara… Klitschko-Fury… Huck-Mchunu… and Canelo-Lara

Posted March 12, 2014 10:14 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

“his collection of 50 flesh- eating Galapagos island giant tortoises”

I had no idea they were flesh eaters. Once when I was slumming it, Tard told me his tortoises were friendly, one of them would even toot my flute for me. After three attempts by the turtle, Tard pushed him aside and said to him, “look! I will show you how to do it only one more time”…

Posted March 12, 2014 9:37 pm 

Greatest Promoter of All Times.

Hidalg0 as per usual your posts make good sense
I just feel that Khan is even more confused now than he was before he left Roach. I personally have always felt that Oliver Harrison was his best fit.
I think Khan should be allowed to fight in the attacking style he does, but like TARK says he needs to do thousands of rounds of defensive drills, so it becomes an instant reaction for him, when an opponent blazes back. I just feel he fights like a robot when he tries to box to a plan. He needs to add to what naturally got him to the top in the first place. I dont think Virgil is the fit for him.
I actually like Hunter and apologise, because it looks like a witch hunt against him.
I agree with you. After 1 round, well actually that body punch I knew the game was up. Hunter should have pulled him out in the 3rd. Angulo took 7 rounds of unnecessary and perhaps career ending punishment.

Posted March 12, 2014 3:19 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allan Poe (Thus Quoth the Vulture)

ROFL. A simply stunning demonstration of Tier 2 posting by Brother Turb0-H@mster.

You forgot to mention TARK’s menagerie of exotic pets though Brother, and in particular his collection of 50 flesh- eating Galapagos island giant tortoises. lol.

Posted March 12, 2014 1:56 pm 


Canelo is a hype job! he should’ve lost against Trout even with the knock down. he hasnt fought anybody that could expose him besides an over blown jr.welter weight on Floyd Mayweather. Paul Williams wouldve destroyed him,so will Martinez if he is half the fighter of 3 years ago. Cotto might be to small but if he takes him into late rounds Cotto will knock him out! Lara can beat him,GGG also. its all about styles! pay attention people……

Posted March 12, 2014 1:01 pm 


Honestly, Greatest Promoter, I feel like Hunter fell down on the job long before Angulo entered the ring. After watching Angulo “fight” for one round, I thought Hunter should have thrown the towel in as Angulo just was not there. As for what Hunter does and says in the corner, yes, I’ve noticed he tends to be more of a cheerleader than anything else but surely he had to know his fighter was gassed before the fight even started and maybe he felt it was a waste of time to dwell on that in any way. I mean, what does one say about the obvious and he had to work with what he had. So maybe he felt the best route to take was to stay positive and try to keep his fighter in a positive state of mind.

In regards to Khan you said: “Can you really see this version of Khan worrying anyone in the top 20 at 147? I cannot and he is selling himself as a potential P4P.”

I think that if Khan sticks to boxing and doesn’t try to punch it out with his opponents, he can be a top player at 147. He has to fight with a strategy like Floyd Mayweather Jr.–don’t get hit. Every time he tries to duke it out Khan’s opponents get the best of him. He has excellent hand speed, good legs, and he’s fairly durable but he just isn’t a good inside fighter. He should stick to doing what he does best, but brawling ain’t it.

Really though, I think Khan would do better with a trainer like Robert Garcia, Abel Sanchez, or Joel Diaz. Same for Angulo. I’d could even see Freddie Roach being a good trainer for Alfredo.

Posted March 12, 2014 11:52 am 

The Greatest Promoter of All Times

Hidalg0, Khan is presenting himself as an elite, world class championship performer. Not only that. He is trying to sit at the top table of boxing, which is beside the likes of Mayweather, Pacquiao.
To this point we need to scrutinise Khan, like we need to scrutinise Hunter and I find both of them lacking. I really do think he is probably decent at what he does, but in the Diaz fight with Khan and now this one with Canelo all parties seemed out of their depths.
khan always shows me something new under his trainers, but in tandem he also shows me that he forgets fundamental sound habits at the same rate. He’s so keen to show that new double left hook or hook off the jab or that body punch or low blow behind the ref etc..etc that he forgets to keep his chin down , block the left hook, pulls back in a straight line, lunges in behind an attack etc etc
I thought Hunter was brought in to tighten Khan’s defence and vs Diaz, I actually though he was more hittable, his natural aggression was curbed and his biggest weakness (lack of a boxing brain) was therefore exposed. When Khan boxes to order eg vs Malignaggi he becomes a stumbling robot and he did the same vs Diaz. Hunter was supposed to harness his natural flair and add a sturdier defence to his repertoire. Instead he became stuck between two stools, unsure of whether to attack or box and he got caught and then harried the longer the fight went on.

Can you really see this version of Khan worrying anyone in the top 20 at 147? I cannot and he is selling himself as a potential P4P.

It was interesting to see Hunter standing on the ring floor, below the ring to give his advice between rounds. What was that nonsense about? It’s brilliant to take the heat off your fighter if you are an Angel Garcia and your boy can really fight, but once again, those last so many rounds I didn’t hear or see anything that Hunter said to Khan to think he is a great trainer.

I personally think Hunter is a good fit with a finished, polished fighter, but I wouldn’t send any fringe contenders to him. I don’t think he has a clue if the going gets tough. I really don’t and that’s when a trainer is worth all the zeros he gets paid.

Posted March 12, 2014 5:58 am 

The Greatest Promoter of All Times

Hidalg0, I started to reply to you, then found myself writing pages on Hunter, however lets ask a couple of questions. Were you shocked by how he delt with the 60 seconds pep talks between rounds with Angulo? I was. The great Manny Steward resorted to profaning with Jermain Taylor, if memory serves me when the guy slept walk thru his fight with Kassim Ouma or Corey Spinks, BUT he got results. When Angulo came back and told Hunter he was feeling the punches, there was no reaction from him… no urgency, nothing until I think the 7th when he said, “throw punches everywhere!” Which was the sum total of Hunter’s input for the whole fight.

Plan A wasn’t working, there was no plan B, but more worryingly it was clear Angulo was a shell by the 3rd. Someone like Buddy McGIRT would have warned Jim early he would pull him outfor his own safety. You can’t send a man out against an elite, world class athlete, with a “knife” when you’re in a “gun fight!” Which is what we saw. Angulo had zero pop. Zero! Not once did Hunter enquire if he was feeling, strong, sharp, energetic, where we could all see he was weak, unfocused, lethargic and slow.

I would go as far as Weekes said more to motivate Angulo in that one round where he attacked with a few nice punches than Hunter!

Hidalg0 I may be overly harsh, but Hunter has a duty of care to his fighter and I as a viewer realised as early as the 1st that this was a mismatch, but Hunter as trainer has a duty to steer his charge into the best effort he can produce or to PULL his man out and save him for another time if he cannot or will not perform. I had visions of a Duk Koo Kim, as Angulo is too brave for himself to quit.

He was a human punch bag in there and that beating could lead him to serious health issues in the not too distant future. If Hunter really cares for Angulo I hope he forces him to take a good, long rest after this fight. Ideally he won’t fight again this year!

Posted March 12, 2014 5:37 am 

te tumbo

Lara’s glaring weaknesses were demonstrated v. Molina (who he won’t dare mention), Vanes, and Angulo. Lara doesn’t like pressure and avoids exchanges v. menacing punchers. if a plodding Angulo could drop Lara twice, last Saturday’s vesion of Canelo would’ve disposed of Lara in 10 and this is not a styles-matchup. it’s Lara’s glaring inability to compel a formidable opponent to respect his space. his less-than-lethal efforts would only infuriate and motivate Canelo to punch Harder.

Posted March 11, 2014 3:39 pm 

E in Denver

F.A.- Yes. Lara is everything you said. He will even eat a hook here & there. Canelo will have problems looking like superman vs. Lara. But I think Canelo beats Lara. Jr won’t entertain a Lara fight & I don’t see it being an entertaining fight. But since when has that stopped Jr? I see both guys waiting for a mistake, low punch numbers & more feints than a Baptist funeral.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:51 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Agreed. None of these guys at 154 want to see Lara. He’s got the best skills in the division when he chooses to use them and hits harder than a lot of guys think. All these 154 lb MFers need to fight Lara and these 160 lb jerkoffs need to fight GGG.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:20 pm 

E in Denver

Tark- You are right. Lara is going to have a hard time finding a willing dance partner among “elite”. You have 2 fighters who just recently broke PPV records in the same division & they won’t mention Lara. Because of PPV sales? That excuse doesn’t make sense.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:16 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Sergio and Quillin are the guys who need to fight GGG.” – Cosign TARK.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:01 pm 


Floyd is the champ at 154 not GGG… That’s who should be fighting Lara… Failing that Canelo needs to fight him.

Sergio and Quillin are the guys who need to fight GGG.

Posted March 11, 2014 1:41 pm 


lara vs alvarez another joke PPV fight.

Posted March 11, 2014 12:51 pm 


the days of even matched prime great fights are long gone. period.

Posted March 11, 2014 11:30 am 


“Was he done at the weight?”

Insightful post regarding Virgil Hunter and Alfredo Angulo, Greatest Promoter. Issues with weight is most likely the correct guess. Alfredo appeared to be done at the weigh-in and he entered the fight in very poor physical and mental condition.

But all your other conjectures may be on target as well–just not bulls-eyes. I’m thinking Alfredo never should have been allowed to step in the ring in the condition that he was. But we all know how well that would NOT have gone over–too much at stake and one doesn’t just quit on a much-anticipated PPV event.

As for your comments on the Khan/Diaz fight, you really need to consider who and what Julio Diaz is. He’s a formidable opponent. He’s a former two-time champ. He’s an experienced crafty veteran who has almost 50 fights under his belt and regardless of what weight class he has traditionally fought in, he fought to a draw with current welterweight champ Shawn Porter. So Diaz had already moved up in weight well before he Khan fought him. Khan beat Diaz. Fairly if marginally.

No matter what anyone thinks, Khan remains undefeated under Virgil Hunter and Angulo had a very good performance against Lara, even though Lara beat him. So, I don’t think it’s fair to write off Virgil Hunter so quickly. Neither Khan nor Angulo has been with Hunter a very long time–both fighters and trainer are still making adjustments.

Posted March 11, 2014 11:08 am 

The Greatest Promoter of All Times

Virgil Hunter’s reputation as a great trainer is in tatters. Angulo did not even perform and did not listen one iota during his humbling by Canelo and appeared to have not one iota of power or coordination. Was he overtrained? Was he undertrained? Did he train at all? Was he done at the weight? Hunter needs to come clean, because his other new charge Amir Khan fought like a novice going life and death with a slow as molasses Kidd Diaz Lightweight and appears to actually have gone backwards in the 2 starts under Hunter.
Hunter seemed to be clueless in both these men’s last 2 ring appearances and his 60 second talks between rounds were enlightening only in their lack of focus, clarity, motivation or even cohesion. Any fool could see that Angulo was not right, but there was no plan b, no try to use the ring, get a second wind, or work that non existent defence, stick close and focus on CANELO’S body with your love taps….Nothing!!! Just, “Hit him everywhere!”
ANDRE Ward’s stock has just gone up as it is clear he is self-trained and I the words of LENNOX LEWIS just like, “Pepe Correa,” Hunter is just a, “cheerleader,” and “not a trainer!”

Hunter will be scrutinised like never before on the comeback of new member ANDRE BERTO. 5 or 6 years ago BERTO was being talked about as being the new superstar of boxing, but he bulked up and seemed to bum out to opponents he was fancied to lick like Ortiz and Guerrero and there is now white hot pressure to see what changes if any Hunter has made to both his porous defensive game and to his one dimensional offensive tools.

Then we have the backwards migration of Khan who seems to learn one or two new tricks, but forget four or five fundamentals every time he steps into a ring!

Posted March 11, 2014 8:38 am 

Tomato Can

You can’t blame the ref for stopping a fight when you or your guy caught punches with his mug all night. There’s no reason to even complain about it. Boxing has enough tragedy as it is. Angulo has taken a lot of damage over the past few years. There’s been a lot of guys who’ve taken less damage and are or were considered damaged goods. And Angulo looked like damaged goods this past weekend.

Posted March 11, 2014 12:12 am 


Tony Weeks did Angulo and the people watching a favor. Angulo was a punching bag and should never be on PPV again.

Posted March 10, 2014 11:45 pm 

Milton Dangerous

Turb0 H@mster is a fairy. Everybody knows what that ilk does with hamsters so that’s why he chose that nickname. He likes cozy places.

Hammie should try to get a date with George Groves. They would hit it off because they both wear red pants and brag about how they can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.

Posted March 10, 2014 9:37 pm 

te tumbo

it would’ve been too traumatic for any Cotto fanboy to watch Canelo in action last Saturday without imagining what Canelo would’ve done to poor little Junito if he had not forfeited the “rivalry” and rejected a guaranteed $10 million to plug at least one big leak in a sinking Puelto Lico. I guess that “sometime it bes that way, papi” . . . (lol).

Posted March 10, 2014 8:52 pm 


Canelo would have an easier night with Lara than he did with Alfredo. You guys know NOTHING about the fight game or boxing in general. Vivek gets it, but few others do.

Posted March 10, 2014 8:07 pm 

Tomato Can

If Molina fights Canelo where’s that leave Charlo, that’s kind of messed up.

Posted March 10, 2014 7:53 pm 

Tomato Can

Word is, Canelo’s fighting Molina next. I don’t have a problem with that fight either, but I’ll take a bore fest over a slop fest anytime.

Posted March 10, 2014 7:37 pm 


BTW…, Ward vs Rodriguez was fought pretty hard.. It wasn’t that boring.. There was a lot of fouling and it was very one-sided—but youi never knew what Edwin was going to do next to try to get on Andre’s nerves… So it was interesting because ER doesn’t like to lose.

Posted March 10, 2014 7:32 pm 


I NEVER said Mayweather-Canelo would be a “Titanic Battle” I said it would be a good close fight. I said that Floyd would win a close decision and should be an 8:5 favorite.

That was until Canelo’s sparring went south.

Then I said Canelo was blowing it… That his team had to invest much more money in sparring partners for the most important fight of his life … and that he was ruining his chances.

I posted that Canelo looked “parched” right as the weigh-in was going on.. I said he looked badly drained and the fight would probably be a route for Floyd.

I said Canelo would outbox Angulo very easily and I didn’t even think this fight was any kind of a matchup for him… The right matchup for Canelo is Lara — who has earned the matchup for his performance vs Trout — regardless of how you think the fight will play out.

The Lara-Trout fight wasn’t boring for Trout… He suffered a very hard knockdown and got hit with blistering shots all night… Lara threw and landed a Hell of a lot more than Canelo did vs Trout and got hit much less.

Posted March 10, 2014 7:27 pm 


“But one thing I am sure of is that Canelo came out in the first round and showed he was the boss.”

He was only able to do that because of Angulo’s poor physical condition. Watch the weigh-in and watch Virgil Hunter assist Angulo after the weigh-in.

Posted March 10, 2014 7:26 pm 


“Vivek and I should be given a pass for our predictions, considering the fight was FIXED! I remain the greatest fight prophet EVER born!!!”- Nope but you are given a pass because you failed to listen to ME. SO you were expected to get it wrong. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!

Posted March 10, 2014 7:26 pm 


Canelo needs to at least move UP to 160. Maybe even 168. He’s 174 on Fight night.

Posted March 10, 2014 7:22 pm 

Tomato Can

Make Lara/Alvarez now. I don’t care if it becomes a snoozer, who wins or loses. If Canelo wants to continue fighting at 154, Lara is the fight for him…

Posted March 10, 2014 7:15 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Vivek should get on here right now to appear before the assembled court of first, second, third tier posters, and a.n.u.s blood drinkers…” – LOL. What?

Posted March 10, 2014 7:08 pm 


TARK says Lara vs Canelo will be a barnstorming fight. I won’t hold my breath.
TARK said the same about Mayweather vs Canelo, he said the same about Ward vs Rodriguez and the same about Canelo vs Trout. That’s 0 for 3 in my book.

Posted March 10, 2014 6:08 pm 


TARK wrote that Canelo vs Mayweather would be a titanic battle. We are all still waiting for the fireworks TARK. It was more like a man vs a child.

Posted March 10, 2014 6:05 pm 


Vivek and I should be given a pass for our predictions, considering the fight was FIXED! I remain the greatest fight prophet EVER born!!!

Posted March 10, 2014 6:03 pm 


It doesn’t have anything to DO with Boxers or sluggers. It has to DO with Boxers who are BETTER than him or Boxers that are LESSER than him. The only guy that Canelo didn’t look GOOD against is Floyd because Floyd is BETTER. Put Canelo in with anyone LESSER than him, whether it’s a Boxer or slugger, and he will look GOOD. It’s not rocket science. Neither GGG or Canelo want to face Lara.

Posted March 10, 2014 5:35 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Put a slugger in there with Canelo and he looks good, put a boxer in there who knows how to box and use the ring, and well…not so good.” – Titotopia yes and no. He’s done well against boxers but against Floyd didn’t want to throw on concerns of getting counter punched. Angulo doesn’t know how to slip and counter so it was like shooting ducks at a gallery.

Posted March 10, 2014 5:19 pm 


TARK – Canelo and Team will continue to claim Lara isn’t a worthy opponent, and now that they’ve beaten Angulo in “better fashion” I’m sure they’ll use that as another excuse…styles make fights, just cause ‘A’ beat ‘C’ and ‘C’ beat ‘B’ doesn’t mean ‘A’ can beat ‘B’.

Posted March 10, 2014 5:10 pm 


Laras fight with Molina was a snoozer, his fight with Trout was a snoozer, his fight with Vanes was a snoozer. Angulo made the fight with Lara an exciting fight. Lara loses to Canelo. Heck pretty much all of his fights are snoozers

Posted March 10, 2014 4:52 pm 


I meant, “Canelo will be forced to go after Lara when he falls behind on points”

Posted March 10, 2014 4:46 pm 


Herron.., “Canelo/lara would be a snoozer between two counterpunchers who would stare at each other.”

How wrong you are Herron… You sound like a shill for Showtime.. Floyd-Canelo was a snoozer…

Lara-Canelo won’t be that way — Lara is a big powerful full 154-pounder who could fight middleweights… He can punch too and has a seriously difficult style… He’s not going to box as much as he did vs the taller Trout.

Canelo will be forced to go after Trout when he falls behind on points… He won’t be in the sorry physically parched and drained condition he was for Floyd.. He’ll be more like the Angulo fight.

And that’s when the action will heat up and blow the roof off the place … Mark my words if the fight happens it will be a blockbuster fight and Lara will win.. It’s going to be smokin’ anyway.

Posted March 10, 2014 4:45 pm 


tarks idea of a great fight was also wlad klenchko vs david toe haye.

Posted March 10, 2014 4:25 pm 


Canelo handles Lara. After seeing what he did to Angulo and then watching what Lara did with Molina, Vanes and Angulo. I will take Canelo by late stoppage or decision.

Posted March 10, 2014 4:22 pm 

Joseph Herron

TARK: “I would love to see Lara-Alvarez because it’s a fascinating contrast in styles, stances, and skills… It’s an underrated attraction because the Lara-Trout fight shows Lara has reached another level of focus and skill for crossroads fights… Lara’s head was so into every second of the Trout fight. He was not hit with a telling blow and finished with a tremendous power and accuracy numbers — to go with his stellar defensive performance.”

Canelo/lara would be a snoozer between two counterpunchers who would stare at each other for most of the fight. It would be interesting to the die-hards, but that’s about it, brother.

Posted March 10, 2014 4:13 pm 


This fight was a joke. this dog(Perro) was told not to hit with power and to take all he can’t take. This b.s. of perro being hurt or sick is bunch b.s. If the Perro was hurt or sick his body won’t last ten rounds of punishment. This dog held back on his punches to make sure the cash cow Canelo keeps on giving.

Posted March 10, 2014 4:02 pm 


if alvarez can lose one pound he will fight ricky burns next.

Posted March 10, 2014 4:00 pm 


I wasn’t interested in watching the Canelo-Angulo fight, at all… It went exactly the way I predicted. Angulo’s style is perfect for Canelo. He charges right in gets picked clean.

I would love to see Lara-Alvarez because it’s a fascinating contrast in styles, stances, and skills… It’s an underrated attraction because the Lara-Trout fight shows Lara has reached another level of focus and skill for crossroads fights… Lara’s head was so into every second of the Trout fight. He was not hit with a telling blow and finished with a tremendous power and accuracy numbers — to go with his stellar defensive performance.

Canelo-Trout was a very big fight. That fight earned Canelo the Mayweather fight. Now how about Lara-Trout??? Don’t tell me it wasn’t a more impressive performance than Canelo’s. And don’t tell me his performance didn’t at least earn Lara a fight with Canelo.

Here’s the problem for showtime…

If Lara performs against Canelo the way I believe he will — there’s going to be a MASSIVE and persistent demand that the Mayweather-Lara fight happen… They don’t want that.

Posted March 10, 2014 3:48 pm 


Well I think I covered every topic in the headline. SO have AT it…..I am STILLLLLL the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted March 10, 2014 3:32 pm 


Santa Cruz gets Surgically picked apart by Rigo. TOO many punches vs an ELITE level counter puncher and Defender equals getting stopped. Rigo WINS by late stoppage unless Santa Cruz gives UP on HIMSELF and stops punching.

Posted March 10, 2014 3:30 pm 


Someone needs to shoot that one at Shaefer and have him set it UP.

Posted March 10, 2014 3:25 pm 


Time to see Canelo at MW vs Kid Chocolate Quillin. I’d favor Canelo in that one based on SKILLS.

Posted March 10, 2014 3:22 pm 


Fight Aficionado – LOL Put a slugger in there with Canelo and he looks good, put a boxer in there who knows how to box and use the ring, and well…not so good.

Posted March 10, 2014 3:05 pm 

Fight Aficionado

There’s not much to analyze really. Canelo is young and fast, Angulo is old and slow and weather beaten. So Canelo let his hands go unlike in the Floyd match when he mailed it in and went into survival mode.

Posted March 10, 2014 2:55 pm 


That being SAID, Canelo was definitely the BETTER man SO the right man WON. Canelo is at #9 P4P and needs to step UP his level of competition. Not to mention that this was a MW Fight SO Canelo needs to start challenging Top MW’s

Posted March 10, 2014 2:53 pm 


It was a SISSYFIED stoppage by Weeks. Angelo was never even WOBBLED. It’s the SOFTNESS in Weeks heart that stopped the Fight. IF you’re TOO SOFT in the heart then don’t become a Ref in combat Sports. Go Ref a tennis match.

Posted March 10, 2014 2:49 pm 


SKILLS proved to be more important than TOUGHNESS once again!!!!

Posted March 10, 2014 2:43 pm 


Canelo WON by ENTERTAINING stoppage just as I predicted!!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted March 10, 2014 2:41 pm 


Glad I didn’t for this bunk PPV. From what I’ve read, the fight went EXACTLY as I figured, Angulo waiting to come on late and ended up taking too many shots in the process. Angulo was picked to make Canelo look good, having a “punchers chance” isn’t enough, Angulo needed more of what he does NOT have.

Posted March 10, 2014 2:38 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allan Poe (Thus Quoth the Vulture)

lol Brother Ernie.

Posted March 10, 2014 1:38 pm 


Exactly and if you look at those first few punches thrown that landed where thrown with bad intentions on them. And when you look at Angulos reaction when the landed he looked hurt

Posted March 10, 2014 1:35 pm 

big moe

PeeJ… thoughts echo yours. Shots to the body do a lot more damage than a shot to the head. Body shots take a fighters wind away, gets him to stop moving or slow him down.

The mexican style only works against other mexicans. A cerebral fighter knows how to defuse that.

Posted March 10, 2014 1:29 pm 


Not sure if weight did or didn’t have an issue. But one thing I am sure of is that Canelo came out in the first round and showed he was the boss. He hit Angulo with some powerful head and body shots. I believe those body shots took a lot out of him and that had a lot to do with how he looked.

Posted March 10, 2014 1:20 pm 


“I thought Canelo looked as good as he should have looked. He was without doubt, the more skillful, faster, and accomplished of the two. He showed power, speed, toughness, and what I consider a very underrated ring intelligence.”

Canelo “looked as good as he should have looked” because Angulo was physically and mentally not there. He can no longer safely make 154 and he paid the price. He was weight drained and his body never recovered from the ordeal of attempting to force it down to 154 lbs. Any one with half a brain about boxing could see that Angulo wasn’t himself from the moment he stepped into the ring.

Canelo could see as well as I that Angulo was there for the taking. He stood face to face with Angulo at the weigh-in and he knew the man was in trouble long before he ever stepped into the ring. So Canelo launched on him fast and hard because he saw his weakness and wanted to take him out quick. The only thing keeping Alfredo on his feet in that fight were his sheer determination and the fact that the man is built like a stone.

What we saw was Canelo capitalizing on an opportunity that he knew existed. Of course Alvarez looked fantastic–he was fighting a wounded bird. A severely wounded bird. But Canelo still couldn’t take him out. He was still standing and still fighting when the fight was stopped. Tony Weeks did the right thing because if he hadn’t, Alfredo would still have been standing at the end of the 12th, but he may have been damaged beyone repair.

Posted March 10, 2014 1:09 pm 

big moe

I cant wait until the ppv numbers come out. This fight probably did about 200k. This will totally dubunk the haters that said Canelo was the main reason they floyd fight did so well. Floyd has major star power. He even did a million against guerrero.

His fight against chino is already a 14 million dollar gate. So haters need to step back. Canelo is not what he seems. As vivek pointed out. He only made 1.25 for this fight. Superstars make way more than more that.

Posted March 10, 2014 1:03 pm 


From the opening bell untill stopage.

The buildup of punishing blows; apparently was the reason

Weeks stoped it.

Posted March 10, 2014 12:44 pm 

el chapo

Didn’t (care to) see this garbage. Wouldn’t mind seeing Canelo vs Chavez Jr, though… two decent fighters with no regard for weight limits and who are satisfied with fighting punching bags

Posted March 10, 2014 12:43 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

ESB’s only Tier One Poster wrote: “This delusional uncultured talentless reptile actually thinks adorning his body with tacky tattoos”.
Reminds me, just the other day I saw a Koi with a douche tatooed on it…

Posted March 10, 2014 11:58 am 


If you watch the round 10 action, at 2:38 Alvarez throws, but doesn’t land a straight right/ left hook combination. At that moment Tony Weeks takes a quick step in toward the action as if he’s going to stop it, but reconsiders. Several seconds later when Angulo takes the uppercut Weeks doesn’t hesitate.

Its clear from the start of the round that Weeks wants to halt the action. From the best I can tell, he spoke to the doctor between rounds. What was said is anybody’s guess, but clearly Weeks was very concerned.

I give him a pass on this one. Was really concerned a few weeks back when Steve Smoger stepped in to late during the Kirkland, Tapia fight.

I didn’t like the way this weekend’s ended. It lacked drama. However, I saw enough to know who was the better, stronger fighter. I was satisfied that Canelo won the fight. If its the difference between me being slightly dissatisfied by the conclusion of a fight or Angulo possibly being reversibly damaged for life, I think that Weeks chose the lesser of the two evils. Judging by the way Canelo telegraphed that uppercut and the way Angulo couldn’t do anything other than absorb it, at the time of the “slightly premature” stoppage, the outcome of the fight was inevitable.

I don’t blame Angulo for wanting to go out on his shield or Virgil Hunter for backing his fighter in the aftermath. Fighters fight, but they don’t have to always be beaten to within an inch of their life to determine that they have lost.

I ask again, as a fan of the fight game, and especially as a fan of fighters, would we rather see Smoger step in to late, or Weeks a bit to early? I certainly find myself in the Weeks camp.

Posted March 10, 2014 11:35 am 


I would like to see Rigondeaux vs. Cruz too. by the time Rigo fights again he may be a little rusty?

Posted March 10, 2014 11:13 am 


HW boxing took away most of the money that could be generated from a boxing night Card but now that the HW division is so lame outside of a K2 match-up the money goes to the Lower division,that is mostly true of the American boxing market which is probably 50% of the whole market. So the real question is how much money Floyd would have made if the HW had been so bad when he was 23.

Posted March 10, 2014 10:49 am 

te tumbo

VITO, you really need an english-speaking colleague to read and proof your articles before they’re posted. “From the subplots coming into this event to the ones during the event, as well as those which have spurned[?!?] in the aftermath of it . . .” doesn’t make sense.

“you can’t totally knock the speculation of some that this was a guy placed in front of him to make him appear that way” is exactly what you did in your pre-fight analysis. very few besides You gave Angulo a serious shot at upsetting Canelo. not surprised you would want readers to forget it.

“I couldn’t help but notice that there were several empty seats in the building”(?). perhaps because serious fight-fans (not including you out on a “proverbial” limb) anticipated that this would be a one-sided affair that they could afford to watch from the comfort of home. Canelo’s followers are serious fight-fans eager to watch competitive bouts not star-struck celebrity stalkers who show up at all costs. they’re the same demographic that pelted Chavez Jr. with garbage after a controversial decision that went his way and have compelled Jr. to redeem questionable decisions with immediate rematches. they’re the demographic that has been keeping boxing alive for the past 30 years. why else would Mayweather’s preferred fight-nights be taking place on Mexican holidays?

finally, there is no practical way to makea “save the fighter platform” consistent among all refs. ideally, the decision should be the result of feedback and consultation between the corner, the ref, and ringside doctors, which is what i believe happened for this stoppage. Virgil may have been spouting about Angulo “coming on strong” but that’s not what he was saying in the corner between rounds. this was a responsible stoppage. Angulo is too tough for his own good and there was no reason to re-emphasize what is already abundantly clear about Canelo’s ring-profile.

Posted March 10, 2014 10:43 am 

Tyrone Jones

Canelo “was” a huge draw until he got exposed as an inexperienced Mexican hope

Posted March 10, 2014 10:40 am 

Tyrone Jones

Weird how Virgil Hunter told Angulo to hold off until the later rounds and then gave Tony Weeks the go ahead to stop the fight right when he was poring it on.

Smells like Haymon is up to new slick american tricks

Posted March 10, 2014 10:37 am 


Well hang on a second, I get that the PPV numbers aren’t amazing but how big were the PPV sales for Floyd or Pac man when they were 23?

Posted March 10, 2014 10:34 am 

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