all heavyweights today are robots.Posted February 27, 2014 1:54 pm
Sure…. The greatest catcherPosted February 26, 2014 11:25 pm
ali had to be the greatestPosted February 26, 2014 8:00 am
Ali was a great catcher… He absorbed a ton of head shots. Dundee trained another fighter named Willie Pastrano.
Jose Torres.., “I kept throwing punches because most of them were hitting Pastrano. He had a very porous defense.”Posted February 25, 2014 5:55 pm
peterson . What about old days ped cheats. Was there eny kind of control in the 60´s and 70´s. But yes proven ped cheats should be kick out from the HF.Posted February 25, 2014 5:44 pm
A REAL LEGEND. PERIOD.Posted February 25, 2014 4:49 pm
trouble with hall of fame is they let modern ped cheats in. lol.Posted February 25, 2014 4:07 pm
LOl not that Hall of fame bollocks again but thats what u can expect from race-oriented people like this Anonymous.Posted February 25, 2014 3:46 pm
HERE ARE THE FACTS ALI IS THE ONLY MAN IN BOXING HISTROY TO BEAT 9 HALL OF FAMERS GET OVER IT WHITE BOYS TAKE YOUR KKK HOODS OFFPosted February 25, 2014 9:41 am
a true greatest wouldnt need help from the judges as in the case with Ali. If Ali is the greatest what is then the messeure of a ‘greatest’ ? Ko ratio, dominance(Not needing eny help from the judges), defence(not getting hit so much you end up like a vegetable.Posted February 25, 2014 9:18 am
truky of all time ? hmm could bePosted February 25, 2014 9:12 am
My main point is, a lot of people thought Clay would win…
Another point is Liston wasn’t that formidable.. He was old and slow and the fight was even on points at the end.
My 3rd point is Liston couldn’t win for losing. He was an ex-con and everyone mistrusted him.
That’s why the 7 doctors were checking his left biceps after the 1st fight… And Ali refused to go to a neutral corner in the 2nd fight and there was no count over Liston… Plus Liston got up and resumed fighting, “Why would I keep fighting if I was throwing the fight???” He asked reporters… And, “Why would I get up if Clay isn’t in a neutral corner??? I have to put one hand on the floor to get up and that idiot might hit me.”
The boxing commission wasn’t hearing anything Sonny said… They only knew he was an ex-con.Posted February 25, 2014 2:39 am
The Facts !
to Tark ,,and what is your point ??Posted February 25, 2014 1:59 am
This pundit says…, “Back a half century ago, nobody thought the brash, somewhat annoying loudmouth would really amount to too much; certainly nobody from the fight fraternity thought Clay stood any chance against the fearsome “unbeatable” Liston.”
Sure they did… Several boxing writers thought Clay was going to beat Liston because he was too young, tall, and fast for him. Liston wasn’t that big and he looked 50.
Ingemar Johansson… “Clay could win. He’s very fast and has a good jab. Liston is very old and is slowing up.”
The fight was even on points when Liston retired because of a torn left biceps muscle. The commission didn’t believe or trust Liston. They hired and brought in 7 different doctors to check Liston’s left biceps … They all said it was badly torn and was a serious injury.
They finally gave up trying to find a doctor who would say Liston was faking it…
In the rematch, Liston was on his feet and fighting when Walcott stopped the fight… Liston was allowed to fight on by Walcott because Liston never got a count from Walcott. Walcott was busy trying to push Ali to a neutral corner while Liston was on the floor.
That didn’t matter to the boxing commission. They took Liston’s boxing license away and all 50 states followed suit… It took Liston several years to get his license back.Posted February 25, 2014 1:29 am
None of floyds gloves will ever go past 250 he isn’t top 5 greatest ever haha. This boxtra just keeps shooting himself in the foot. The poor blokes mum dropped him to many times as a kidPosted February 24, 2014 10:37 pm
I love the Book My on story, tne autobiography on Muhammad Ali. Tell my ex Kimberly to give my book back ya dig. hahahahAPosted February 24, 2014 6:21 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Who cares if Floyd Mayweather jr earned more money or not against Canelo or whatever name to bring up here, there never was a good fight to look at any way as Mayweather Jr only fights opponents he can pick and all his fans buyes it with-out accepting the thod of that he don’t fight the TRUE opponents he should fight in right order. He is no true legend to choose and pick opponents right like that to add.
The point is the same here like many have better said here. The US dollar was worth a lot more back in the 50’s, 60’s, 70′ etc so those dollars where better plus that there are more people living on this planet now then back then.
O more to say, the money earned in a fight doesent make the athletic effort at all bigger. If fans of Floyd Mayweather Jr only cares for how much he earnes on his fights or his bling-bling style of living, then I feel sorry for these people as they are NOT fans of the sport of boxing but fans of Dollars = MONEY.
These people should go and buy stocks and get there kicks on the stock market, not by watching boxing or any sport.
No matter what any Floyd Mayweather Jr fans aays about the money issues, It will stay the same and the fact that people prefer to talk about other fighters matches from now and the says it all the Mayweather Jr lacks the heart to deliver those memoble fights to the people and money is not what real boxing fans cares for. We real fans care about boxers fights and the best opponnets they face and the wars we watches. There is a reason why we love to talk about legends like Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Oscar De la Hoya, Roy Jones jr, Mike Tyson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Mohammad Ali, Joe Frazier and the list goes on and on.
Floyd Mayweather jr mabey have earned lots of money, mabey he have won a lot of fights and WBC belts BUT that will not make him to a lovble legend like these fighters became WHY? Becouse they fought the best opponents there was and dident make a living on cherry picking there opponents ALL the time.
End of story.Posted February 24, 2014 5:50 pm
Sugar Ray Robinson
For me Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest of all time followed by Amir Khan.Posted February 24, 2014 5:18 pm
I find it hard to imagine a better heavyweight than Ali in his fights prior to his lay off. His hand speed wasn’t just good it was exceptional, never been a heavy with better footwork, didn’t really matter that he didn’t have a Foreman like punch, the accumulation of shots got the job done as efficiently.
“SO in 50 years Floyd’s gloves will be more valuable than Ali’s are NOW. I am CORRECT yet again!!!!”
IN 50 years my used toilet paper will be worth more than Ali’s gloves now.Posted February 24, 2014 5:08 pm
Anonymous – how can it be a race thing? For me, Lennox Lewis is the beat, followed by Mike Tyson. Don’t drag race into it, Ali was just overrated.Posted February 24, 2014 5:03 pm
ali was truly the greatest he beat 9 hall of famers no one else in boxing histroy has done that not even suger ray robinson he had to bre the greatest the white devils will try to deny him but all the boxing experts he had to bePosted February 24, 2014 4:23 pm
hw boxing today is a total joke.Posted February 24, 2014 3:50 pm
Ali was never the best, I’d struggle to put him in my top ten. Norton beat him every time, Frazier got two out of three, Jimmy Wotsisname beat him but got robbed ( a commom event ), and best of all, Liston got knocked out by a punch which missed. Add all that to the non stop neck clinches and you’ve got a slightly better than average boxer.Posted February 24, 2014 3:02 pm
Ali was never the best, I’d struggle to put him in my top ten. Norton beat him every time, Fazier got two out of three, Jimmy WPosted February 24, 2014 2:58 pm
So many idiots on this planet, we do need Armageddon and start everything from beginning but hopefully with much better endingPosted February 24, 2014 2:35 pm
Da UnKnown Comic
I’d much rather have Liston’s gloves.Posted February 24, 2014 1:33 pm
Shouldn’t tyson furys gloves be worth something, his are legendary, he punched himself in the face with those gloves.
They gota be worth at least 5 bucks.Posted February 24, 2014 11:25 am
Every thread HERE is about Boxing and I added a Boxing point as I usually DO. The RICHEST Fight in History is RARER than an underdog beating the HW CHAMP. SO in 50 years Floyd’s gloves will be more valuable than Ali’s are NOW. I am CORRECT yet again!!!!Posted February 24, 2014 10:01 am
HahaPosted February 24, 2014 5:28 am
@ Swedish Boxing Fan,
When Boxtradamus starts prophecyin’
Ha ha gold. Boxyra is the greatest prophet of ga-ys ever hahahaPosted February 24, 2014 4:38 am
Leave it to BoxtraDouchbag to insert Floyd into a thread about Ali. The clown is not actually a fan of boxing. Just wait your turn for the next Floyd story, then you can fist yourself while jerking off per usual.Posted February 24, 2014 4:34 am
Fights today are PPV where fights along time ago were more accessible. As every decade grows so will money generated by fights. We may never see an Ali again but we will see the likes of floyd again. Lamchenko will achieve in 2 fights something floyd and manny wouldn’t have done in there first 15 fights.Posted February 24, 2014 4:19 am
The only reason it was a richer fight was the way of the world today. Dela had more ppv numbers by hundreds of thousands. Floyds fight was only the better because of the undercard. Take mattysse and Garcia off it isn’t 2.2 mill. Any person who regards floyd and canelo to any of Ali underdog status s are highly irrelivent in the boxing world. Boxtra has just signed his fate on EB. Silly Silly stupid man!!!!Posted February 24, 2014 4:06 am
Haha floyd ain’t George foremans ring hole hahaPosted February 24, 2014 3:59 am
Boxtra you have had a new one ripped. Floyds gloves from dela Hoya wouldn’t fetch half ali s first fightPosted February 24, 2014 3:58 am
To find the BBC story about the Henry Cooper ‘extended break’, google “bbc counting down the cooper ali fight”. It’s a myth.Posted February 24, 2014 3:01 am
Gentleman Jim Corbett, Leon Spinks, and Evander Holyfield agree with ME TOO.Posted February 24, 2014 2:58 am
The Facts !- Its TOO bad that you don’t get it. Ali’s Fight was one of MANY HW Championship Fights where the title changed hands. And also one of MANY HW title Fights where the underdog WON. SO from a historical perspective the Fight was not that RARE….The Floyd Fight is the SINGLE RICHEST Fight in the ENTIRE History of Boxing and Floyd was the WINNER. SO from a historical perspective Floyd’s gloves from the RICHEST Fight in History will be more valuable in 50 years based on RARITY. …..in other words being in the RICHEST Fight in History is more RARE than WINNING the HW Championship as an underdog. Buster Douglas, Hasim Rahman, and Max Schmeling agree with ME on that.Posted February 24, 2014 2:56 am
The BBC put the cr@p about the Henry Cooper extended break to rest some time ago. They got the tapes and replayed them to find the break between rounds was just over a minute – maybe five seconds or so. Go watch the fight on youtube.
That said, ‘enery’s ‘ammer got him a beauty! Henry Cooper was a real gentleman, too.Posted February 24, 2014 2:45 am
Clay was a six to one underdog.Posted February 24, 2014 2:18 am
The Facts !
Boxtradamus what in the heck are you talking about .. I don’t think you know anything about the history of boxing . How in the hel- are you going to compare the fight between Ali and Liston to Mayweather and Canelo . Sonny Liston was the most fear fighter in the planet at that time and no one gave a young Cassius Clay a chance of beating the fear Liston .after the fight all hell broke loose . Hear was a young loud mouth athletic kid that just whipped the hated and fear Sonny Liston ..Posted February 24, 2014 1:46 am
Also think he should have lost the second Frazier fight, he continously grabbed Joe throughout the fight, pushing down on him etc., referee didn’t say a word.
Great as Ali was heras so intimidating to the Refs that he was allowed to get away with infractions that other fighters would have been penalized for. Cooper landed one of the best left hooks ever on Ali and had him on queer St. Norton won at least 2 of his three bouts with Ali and some believe he won all 3.Posted February 23, 2014 10:12 pm
Anonymous – That’s probably all you have.Posted February 23, 2014 9:43 pm
He paid 835.300 more than I was willing to pay for them. I don’t know why these gloves were so expensive but I would not have been surprised if they brought more than that.Posted February 23, 2014 9:16 pm
AgreedPosted February 23, 2014 9:01 pm
Loud Mouth of all Time
What about the gloves Ali’s corner cut so he could have an extended break after Enry’s Hammer KO’ed him. They would sell for well over a mill. There is a bunch of controversy and American lies that are sealed up in that story. The Greatest Pfft, self proclaimed and that is all.
Big Moe – is that the same Joe Louis who was knocked through the ropes by Marciano. Joe Louis Pfft he woke up in the front row.Posted February 23, 2014 9:01 pm
Friggin idiots on here. Ali was THE GREATEST of all Time! I’m surprised they didn’t fetch more. Mentioning Mayweather in the same breath as Ali, you need to be shot!Posted February 23, 2014 8:00 pm
“Who’s the guy who paid $836K for these gloves? What’s he going to do with them? These questions are important to the story, not the trip down memory lane.”
How about the guy who just paid mega-millions for one single postage stamp?
What’s he gonna do with that? Frame it and put it over his fireplace?Posted February 23, 2014 7:53 pm
“The Mayweather/Alvarez Fight is the RICHEST in the ENTIRE History of Boxing. You’re damn right the Ali/Liston Fight doesn’t hold a candle to it.”
LMAO! THANKS for agreeing with ME, Boxtra$$wipe!Posted February 23, 2014 7:47 pm
Boxtra…Ofcourse the Mayweather fight was the richest in history it was in 2013 but look what the dollar is worth compared to 1963.Dempsey made a million bucks for the Tunney fight…look what that was worth back then.The 20s,30s,40s,50,60s,$100,000 dollars was a boat load of money to walk away with.Posted February 23, 2014 7:42 pm
F.A…I would think whoever bought those gloves are using them for a investment,hopeing the price may jump even higher in the future.I also wonder how many fights Ali had where he was paid more then what those gloves sold for…Posted February 23, 2014 7:34 pm
The Mayweather/Alvarez Fight is the RICHEST in the ENTIRE History of Boxing. You’re damn right the Ali/Liston Fight doesn’t hold a candle to it.Posted February 23, 2014 7:31 pm
MNboxingFAN – Sean
All that money for the “phantom punch” gloves?Posted February 23, 2014 7:28 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Don’t make us laugh here fans of Floyd Mayweather Jr. Sure his boxing gloves from fights would sell for some thousand or so BUT his legacy will b so behind and will never have so many fans in the future who will pay such money for his old properties.
History in iconic charaters are what makes people pay good money for materials who have been part to something that have left footprints in our history and will be rememberd almost like a legend. In this case it was a pair of boxing gloves used in a fight between 2 well known boxers from then to today and that is becouse they left a footprint in both boxing history and society history. People today talk about Liston and Ali for lots of reasons and all not included boxing related things.
What mark have Floyd Mayweather jr left so far? Thats right nothing of use. Just a prima dona acting boxer who loves to complain, trash talk opponents he don’t want to fight and is so greedy and unhumble that he makes dust want to hide from him.Posted February 23, 2014 7:19 pm
“There were a few fights on saturday,no coverage??????????” – Normally I would agree but other than the FNF there wasn’t anything noteworthy. In fact I started watching that Macau card and it was so boring I turned it off. Not worth my time watching Top Rank throw lemons out there to promote their stable.Posted February 23, 2014 7:16 pm
Also these gloves are obv clean but the ones Liston wore had some kind of bleach or other chemical on that irritated Ali’s eyes. You can see him wig out in the 6th round from it. Are those gloves still around and have they been preserved or were they washed afterwards? If they weren’t they could have some CSI dudes test those gloves to see what’s on them.Posted February 23, 2014 7:14 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Rustybucket – Thank you commrade :-)Posted February 23, 2014 7:10 pm
Who’s the guy who paid $836K for these gloves? What’s he going to do with them? These questions are important to the story, not the trip down memory lane.Posted February 23, 2014 7:04 pm
I can’t believe so many still buy into the hype of ‘the greatest’. Many of Ali’s fights were controversial and seemed to have a lot of mafia involvment. He was a very good and exciting boxer nevertheless, but surely an even better salesman.Posted February 23, 2014 6:04 pm
LMAO! The Ali/Liston fight is no comparison to the Mayweather/Alvarez fight because the Mayweather/Alvarez fight doesn’t hold a candle to it. And it won’t fifty years from now either.Posted February 23, 2014 5:56 pm
“WOW just imagine how MUCH Floyd’s gloves from the Canelo Fight will sell for in 50 years!!!!! Canelo is BETTER than Liston.”
LMAO! Hardly.Posted February 23, 2014 5:53 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan–Totally agree.
Big Moe– True too.Posted February 23, 2014 5:29 pm
bang on son.Posted February 23, 2014 3:22 pm
I refuse to say ali is the greatest of all time. To put one man on top of boxing is unfair to the other cats that put in work. Now, the best in the era…i can say yes. Cause i can easily say joe louis is the greatest. 25 title defenses, 63-3-49 kos…very easyPosted February 23, 2014 3:16 pm
Alot less than any of Ali s that’s for damn surePosted February 23, 2014 3:07 pm
WOW just imagine how MUCH Floyd’s gloves from the Canelo Fight will sell for in 50 years!!!!! Canelo is BETTER than Liston.Posted February 23, 2014 3:05 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Wow, those gloves had there expensive price tag!
I belive the Mafia connections Sonny Liston had was involved in both fight with Cassius Clay/Mohammad Ali, especally the 2nd fight as the final punch have over-and-over been viewed to never hit Liston, plus that ALi ran around in the ring and acted like a maniac instead of standing in neutral corner like all boxers have to do when the referee makes the count. The Mafia bett against Liston and forced him to take a fall. Liston would never have given up that easily with-out a serius fight. Boxing legend “Big” George Foreman who started his PRO career as a sparring partner to Sonny Liston also belived the Mobb was involved somehow.
Also the fight with Sir Hery Cooper and clay was as well controversial with the cut glove). The 2nd and 3rd fight with Ken Norton was close but Norton looked better and esd robbed.
Mohammad ALi was a great boxer but bigger as a salesman but the truth is he got away with many controversial fight ends that hurts his after-legacy.Posted February 23, 2014 1:34 pm
The Facts !
Muhammad Ali ,,did very well against the super big Punchers like Liston and Foreman and so on ..He specialize in shutting them down ..he had more trouble with the more volume punchers like Frazier and Norton ,although they also had a big punch ,but not like the Shavers or Liston’s type of punch , but Ali was able to find a way to win .. The Greatest Ali ..Posted February 23, 2014 12:32 pm
ALI ,,, no question about it ,,there is no argument ,,Muhammad Ali is the greatest fighter of all time .. He made boxing famous again !! he fought the most fearsome punchers in history ,,Sonny Liston ,,Big Cat Williams ,,Ernie Shavers ,,George Foreman ..besides other big punchers ,,Joe Frazier ,,Ron Lyle ,,Ken Norton ,,Jerry Quarry ,, etc..Posted February 23, 2014 12:15 pm
So much for legacy…why is he auctioning his gloves for historic fight?Posted February 23, 2014 10:53 am
Q. Who was the last man to box Sonny Liston? A. The undertaker…Posted February 23, 2014 10:11 am
The oracle of Delphi
No true. First fight, Liston got beat up and quit on his stool. He was not able to hit Ali. Second fight, the KD was legit, Liston quit again …Posted February 23, 2014 8:25 am
both fights were bent. period.Posted February 23, 2014 8:19 am
Second fight’s ending, “While Walcott tried to sort out the situation 20 seconds passed, and by then Liston had gotten to his feet and resumed boxing. Sitting at ringside, Nat Fleischer, publisher of The Ring, took it upon himself to call Walcott over and explain that as Liston had spent over 10 seconds on the canvas he had been KOed. Walcott stopped the fight—awarding Ali a first-round knockout. However, Fleischer was quite wrong in his interpretation of how the rules applied: since Clay had deliberately not gone to a neutral corner, Walcott had been correct in not counting Liston out; the actual time Liston had been down was irrelevant. The counting officially begins only when a fighter is in the neutral corner.” Only in an Muhammad Ali fight did this happen.Posted February 23, 2014 7:57 am
There were a few fights on saturday,no coverage??????????Posted February 23, 2014 7:54 am
not a mark on them.Posted February 23, 2014 7:46 am
Face it; many of Ali’s fights were very controversial (cut glove in his fight with Henry Cooper is just one more).Posted February 23, 2014 7:39 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
They are extremely valuable.Posted February 23, 2014 7:08 am