Bill Patrice Jones
I can’t believe how anyone after watching the replays slowly can possibly even conceive that it was anything remotely close to a legitimate KO. The punch didn’t hit the temple and it caught Solis’ glove before it grazed his head. Vitali was looking for contact not power because he had struggled to land much in the round. OF COURSE Solis head moved a bit, I mean this is a HW boxing match. Every good boxer moves with every single punch however hard it is. Vitali knows, and knew, damn well just how hard he was punching. He KNEW categorically that he hadn’t thrown a power shot and that it couldn’t possibly have been hard enough to knock out or even knock down Solis. Vitali was tentative in that opening round. Let’s not pretend this was the Vitali from the first round of the Kirk Johnson fight. Total freak injury caused by Solis training too hard for the fight after a lifetime of over eating. Such a shame too, because stylistically it looked like Solis was going to cause Vitali problemsPosted January 6, 2014 6:09 am
Vitali suffered a freak injury vs Byrd and was slashed with a thumb and palm vs Lewis… He’s never been outboxed by anyone…
Solis suffered a freak injury… But he would have been knocked out in 3 rounds regardless… Solis isn’t going to beat anyone good. He might beat Thompson who will be about 43… That’s the kind of guys Solis fights.Posted January 6, 2014 3:25 am
Byrd had nothing to do with Vitali’s shoulder injury, it was a torn rotator cuff injury that had been bothering him, but he still fought. Vitali was easily leading on all cards, but his arm went numb. Vitali was smart enough to stop before his injury became permanent. Klitschko haters were so angry that Vitali’s injury was not permanent, so they keep lying about the fight. Even Byrd said that Vitali was more difficult to fight than Vlad. Vlad beat Byrd two times easily in a mismatch. How in the Hell could Byrd have caused a torn rotator cuff?! Vitali is and was totally superior to Byrd, and of course so was Vlad…………..Ask Buddy McGirt about his shoulder injury, he waited too long to get surgery. There have been so many boxing injuries over the years. When Vitali landed a right hook on Solis’ temple, Solis went down, was dizzy, and hurt his knee from the fall…………….All the Klitschko haters claimed that Vitali had zero chance to beat Solis, many claimed that Solis would knock Vitali out in the very first round, but it went the other way. Vitali knocked out Herbie Hide, was a five to 1 under dog in that fight. Vitali knocked Hide out in the second round, very bad knockout!!!Posted January 6, 2014 1:54 am
Ahmet Oner is from Turkey living in Germany. He is a crook and with the curruption in Turkey he knows Thompson stands no chance if goes to points. Oner wants in Turkey for this reason as he feels could go to points and does not want his main man, Solis, loosing as Solis is his biggest investment. Disgusting.Posted January 5, 2014 6:41 pm
Vitali’s punch that knocked Solis knee out where the same punch that Chris Bryd threw that knocked Vitali’s Shoulders out. I think that makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?Posted January 5, 2014 8:04 am
two big fat old modern heavyweights.Posted January 5, 2014 7:23 am
@ Farmboxer: I agree- Vitali’s KO of Solis was totally legitimate. I watched the ape of it and you can see the delayed reaction Solis has after he gets hit. You can also see his whole body disconnecting after the punch as he sort of freezes and slowly moves backwards before he crashes to the canvas. If Thompson takes this fight seriously and comes in around 240, I think he has a good chance of winning. Happy New Year! :-)Posted January 5, 2014 3:25 am
Once again, Vitali landed a right hook on Solis’ temple which is a soft spot on any fighter. Solis went down because of a punch, there was nothing wrong with Solis’ knee until he went down from the punch, it can be seen clearly on tape. Proof of one thing, Solis’ fans see what they want to see………..
I will give Solis credit for fighting Thompson, Wilder refused to fight Thompson and Chisora, Wilder got ranked #3 by the WBC for not fighting anyone even nearly ranked. How did that happen? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$???????????????
Vlad knocked Thompson out two times, so I don’t know what’s left of Thompson but I want to see this fight…………….Let’s see what Wilder was so afraid of………….Posted January 5, 2014 12:59 am
LOL that pic os when Solis crash and burned against Vitali in 1 round. Nice.Posted January 4, 2014 9:59 pm
solis is a great talent. now we will finally have a chance to judge him based on a fighter who has faced many of the best. and thompson, my hat off to him, willing to go anywhere, to fight anyone. he is not just a gate keeper, he is still a good, A- level, fighter. both of these fighters tried to get the “great american hype/hope” in the ring and he declined.Posted January 4, 2014 8:40 pm
That punch was lighter than the “phantom punch”
Solis wasn’t affected by the blow his knee blew out… He’s a fat boy.
This fight is 2 fat boys fighting… As attractive as watching 2 cows dance.Posted January 4, 2014 6:08 pm
The VK-Solis punch, I`ve watched it loads of times, and it is a very nicely timed punch if not massively powerful, and it was enough to make Solis step land in such a way he injured his knee, so it is an injury as a result of a fair punch and a legit KO to me.
He didn`t look he slightest bit scrambled or concussed though. It can`t be ruled out but it seems a massive stretch, and unnecessary given the objective medical evidence of the knee scan.Posted January 4, 2014 3:05 pm
Cheezb – I remember the Briggs-Green situation very well, and my respect for Green disappeared after that. Briggs in fact couldn`t get a medical certificate to fight in NSW for that fight because of neurological issues and Green went nuts about it, and took the fight to WA where he didn`t have ti get a proper doctors analysis of Briggs.
Then after all that he calls Briggs a dog when he collapses in one round.
It was really scummy.
Then Green got hold of a nothing Cruiserweight belt, but only defended it at catchweight of 185lbs.
I used to like Green, but now cannot stand him.Posted January 4, 2014 3:03 pm
Jake and the fatman
@ OP AMP I completely agree ,you could see after he got hit he was not 100% and you are right he did not roll with the punch he took it full on. Unfortunately we will never know if Solis would have given him a good go,but he injured himself while falling so the punch definitely had an affect on him.Posted January 4, 2014 1:35 pm
Cheezb – yes, good points. I just watched it again, and you can clearly see Solis’s head move a few inches to the left after the strike, and it did so with decent acceleration IMO. His brain definitely ran into the inside walls of his skull, to put it crudely. He also did not roll with the punch AT ALL, and even had his head held tight, so that facilitated the greatest amount of power transfer also. I would argue to the contrary as far as VKs immediate reaction too. After the punch landed, VK seemed to have his usual look on his face, like, “ok, what did that punch do? Did that hurt him?”, and solis’s reaction was to immediately cover up, because he knew he just got nailed. That is honestly my perception of events during that small slice of time. Very much up for debate though.Posted January 4, 2014 12:09 pm
@Op Amp – “My point is, that NEITHER side should contend with absolute certainty either way!”
I agree that nobody can say with any certainty who is right or wrong, but it’s still fun to speculate.
Bill Patrice Jones’ point about Vitali’s reaction is very telling though. In Australia, we had a similar (but far worse) incident in a fight between Danny Green and Paul Briggs (check it on YouTube)… Briggs was floored by a jab that nobody in the world believes even landed, let alone hurt him. Danny Green is on record calling him a dog and saying he took a dive. Then when fans started asking for their money back, suddenly Green changes his mind and claims the punch landed and that it was a legit KO.
A fighter knows how hard they’re punching and landing. It’s true that sometimes it’s just timing and a sweet spot, whereby lighter shots can unexpectedly do big damage, but I don’t think it’s to the point where the fighter throwing the punch believes the opponent is taking a dive.
So yeah, I do believe the punch landed on Solis’ body, and maybe it did hurt Solis more than we realize (though from memory, Solis was in a good defensive posture in terms of absorbing the concussive nature of any punch whether it hit his gloves or even glanced off his head). But Solis says it didn’t hurt, Vitali clearly didn’t believe it hurt, and Solis proved the knee damage to be real post fight… so I tend to err towards it being solely the knee.Posted January 4, 2014 11:27 am
What I took from watching the tape over and over, is that there was definitely a transfer of energy, and VKs power CAN be crazy strong, and the brain IS a fragile, and unpredictable construct……. if I had to guess, I would say that due to the punch, a MOMENTARY loss of motor function occurred, and THAT along with Solis’s mistreatment of his body, caused a chain reaction that took the knee out. Thats my take, but it is a tough call.Posted January 4, 2014 10:31 am
Its NOT a slam dunk that Vitalis punch didnt slightly scramble solis’s brains. There IS definitely A transfer of energy from that punch to solis’s skull, but its definitely up for debate as to WHAT that punch did exactly, if anything. My point is, that NEITHER side should contend with absolute certainty either way!Posted January 4, 2014 10:20 am
@Farmworker…Have to agree, watched it live and several times since.Posted January 4, 2014 10:09 am
If Solis gets his act together and gets in shape this could be good…if not T.T. wins this fairly well.Posted January 4, 2014 8:17 am
solis is a very good boxer who even being out of shape is top 5Posted January 4, 2014 8:11 am
Bill Patrice Jones
Solis’ knee went because he lost too much weight before the Vitali fight. I’m still angry about that whole damn event. It definately could have been a very very competitive fight. Solis destroyed himself by putting his joints under too much strain for too long carrying excess weight. Hence the reason the knee clinics are filled the brim with older men and women who have spent their lives as seriously overweight or muscle men. Solis is the single biggest waste of potential in the heavyweight division of the last decade or more. If he didn’t just fight for a living but loved the sport he would be a total menace. At his peak he has skill timing power strength. What a waste. His power is gone now and he’ll never come backPosted January 4, 2014 6:42 am
Bill Patrice Jones
Farmboxer that’s NOT A LIE and never has been. There’s NO WAY on earth Vitali hit Solis hard enough to cause that response. Total proof of this is in Vitali angrily berating Solis for not getting up and angrily demanding to see the doctor’s report after the fight. Only when the dust settled did Vitali suddenly start talking about this hard punch he threw. Vitali doesn’t land any punches like that in his second string post 2008 career.. Solis buckled on his knee and suffered cruciate ligament damage. The replay totally shows this. One fration of a moment after Vitali landed the punch Solis took a step forward and his knee was GONE. He wasn’t dizzy or hazy just in agony with the effort of trying to stand up. Do you have any idea the pain you would be in trying to stand on a knee like that. There must have been adrenalin, high emotion and without doubt the punch did SOMETHING but unless Solis’ knee had blown it wouldn’t have scored a knockdown or had any noticeable effect.Posted January 4, 2014 6:38 am
I am sick and tired of the damned lie that Solis lost to Vitali because of a knee injury!!!!!!! Vitali landed a right hook to Solis’ temple, Solis went down from the punch and not until then did he hurt his knee. Solis was hurt, dizzy as Hell.Posted January 4, 2014 12:41 am
I’d like to see Thompson come in at a more reasonable weight, like 240. I think he’ll beat Solis, IF he comes in in GREAT shape. Really the only weapons Solis has are his HUGE FARTS!Posted January 3, 2014 11:30 pm
Solis by ko within 10Posted January 3, 2014 10:15 pm
Two turkeys fighting in Turkey…..ain’t that sumthin!!Posted January 3, 2014 9:59 pm
Thompson is better than he looks in the power department.He will surely have a test talent vs. power when he meets Solis.I predict solis will fell the taller Thompson inside of five.Posted January 3, 2014 9:45 pm
Hope this fight happens. Would dispose of Solis as any sort of contender, would show Thompson was one of the best hws around, albeit one the may well age rather suddenly. Thompson is a tough one and I’ll have all mine on him. Good fight.Posted January 3, 2014 5:55 pm
solis steps up the comp, this is who fury should have fought.Posted January 3, 2014 3:52 pm
amhet oner – turkey , thompson doesn’t stand a chancePosted January 3, 2014 3:02 pm
Solis will just roll over Thompson. No, literally. I mean it.Posted January 3, 2014 2:42 pm
Solis is ok but Thompson is a spoiler not good enough to beat wlad but other fighters watch outPosted January 3, 2014 2:33 pm
Bader’s Tin Legs
Thompson KO 1.Posted January 3, 2014 1:43 pm
Come on Tony!!! Take this taco muncher. Solis is a fat disgrace. He blew his knee in the Vitali fight, he had so much talent, all wasted. Tony 40+ works freaking hard.Posted January 3, 2014 1:41 pm
Easy win for Solis, KO by 9– not even a good fight. Solis need to step up against someone who has a chance to beat him if he wants another crack at the title.Posted January 3, 2014 1:23 pm
Got to give it to Thompson, unlike the new breed of US heavies (Wilder, Scott, Hanks, Rodriguez, Mansour etc..and Jennings to some degree), Thompson will fight anybody, anytime. He could win this, as Solis has talent but is lazy and usually in poor shape.Posted January 3, 2014 1:09 pm
Solis could take it all if he got himself in shape. So much talent in a lazy, out of shape body is a shame to see.Posted January 3, 2014 12:39 pm
A good match up with two top 10 contenders going at it. But why in Turkey? This is the type of bout U.S. fans would love to watch on HBO, SHO, ESPN-2, or NBCS.Posted January 3, 2014 12:18 pm
why not throw thompson in with the plastic pikey.Posted January 3, 2014 12:07 pm
Solis wins if he comes in shape but will have to go 12 roundsPosted January 3, 2014 11:45 am
No cakewalk for both fighters do It should be competitive. I’d favour Solis though.Posted January 3, 2014 11:38 am
This is a good match. Tough fight to call.Posted January 3, 2014 11:37 am
Solis will back out.Posted January 3, 2014 11:36 am
Solis ? Quitter, money hungry, one round championship challenger.Posted January 3, 2014 11:15 am
tony keeping them honest!Posted January 3, 2014 11:05 am
In shape Solis wins with ease, out of shape Solis will struggle but still get the victory. It would be great to see an in shape Solis against Arreola or Stiverne, he just can’t seem to keep his weight under control which suggests lack of dedication. Arreola went through this but got his act together.Posted January 3, 2014 10:50 am
My prediction is Solis will back out of the fight.Posted January 3, 2014 10:40 am
I like Thomson an agree with mr gav tony Thomson is a good indicter to see were fighters are.i fancy solis to win on points.as he is very skilfull with a good defence an fast hands.an his only loss was due to injury against vitally.i just wish solis would train harder.Posted January 3, 2014 10:29 am
A not-so-easy win for Solis. Good match-up.Posted January 3, 2014 10:25 am
These are the sort of fights that need to be made. Thomson is a good indicater to see where a fighters level is price failed pulev passed and Solis? Let’s hope he. Comes in good shapePosted January 3, 2014 9:28 am
Great matchup. Two top 20 facin eachotherPosted January 3, 2014 9:13 am