Wlad should have been disqualified and sent directly to a boxing gym to relearn the basic art form of boxing.The referee should be sent to work down a salt mine for the rest of his life and Povetkin should get a decent haircut.You cannot be world champion with a haircut like that.Posted October 17, 2013 4:30 pm
truth be told WK could not have won the fight without the clinchingPosted October 11, 2013 3:30 pm
I thought he was doing that because he liked him.Posted October 11, 2013 12:25 pm
The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed
YESPosted October 11, 2013 2:05 am
It’s Me, Ernie
Turd knows all about craving for attention, semen and idiots who he can bs into thinking he knows something about the sport…Posted October 10, 2013 7:43 pm
TJ.., Lewis wouldn’t fight Vitali again for ANY money… He’s blowing smoke. He said he was going to come back and fight Vitali at least 10 times. It’s always because he craves attention and wants his name out there.
He was getting his ass beaten on all cards and he knows it.Posted October 10, 2013 3:47 pm
Idiot Ernie doing fake TARKS again… I wouldn’t train anyone as lazy as McBride. If they won’t get in shape they’re a danger to themselves.Posted October 10, 2013 3:43 pm
BUMS OF THE MONTH CLUB.Posted October 10, 2013 2:49 pm
IT’S ME, ERNIE, you are correct, but in these terms LEWIS meant he retired still as the HEAVYWEIGHT champion, so to all purposes he retired as undefeated champion!Posted October 10, 2013 2:22 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Tark takes a Mulligan, lmfao!…Posted October 10, 2013 11:32 am
It’s Me, Ernie
I think Lewis wasn’t undefeated when he retired…Posted October 10, 2013 11:30 am
LENNOX LEWIS, 48 years old has said he was offered 30 Million to make a comeback, but has turned this down saying his legacy is worth 60M as he retired undefeated champion.
Apparently, the 30M was no joke, but he told them 60M and he would take 6 months and target WLADIMIR….
He says he knows how to beat him and if the money is on the table he will go out and do it!
What do you guys think? FLUSH or BUST?Posted October 10, 2013 7:24 am
It’s Me, Ernie
Tard never really was like the other boys…Posted October 10, 2013 12:49 am
Idiot Ernie.., I never said Valuev had to beat anybody you stinking dog turd… But it would be a good thing if he sat on your head for a day or 2 and bounced a lot.Posted October 9, 2013 11:53 pm
It may not be the most exciting style of fighting but it got the job done, that’s what counts. Vlad wasn’t so much holding as he was leaning on Pot. For a definition of holding you need look no further than Hopkins. So no, he should not have gotten disqualified.Posted October 9, 2013 9:49 pm
all bums.Posted October 9, 2013 3:16 pm
Valuev ducked every single offer to fight Vitali and Wladimir. Those would be the worst possible matchups for him … Like Louis vs Carnera.
Valuev against one of the bros would be a slaughter and last for about 90 seconds. That massive foot high head would be right in the Klitschko wheelhouse. Valuev never budged on any offer to fight the K’s. He’s not a stupid guy.Posted October 9, 2013 2:57 pm
valuev would have given wlad massive problems. Imagine wlad hugging valuev.Posted October 9, 2013 1:17 pm
64 fights and wlad has only fought 1 guys taller than himself. The dude moved like a statue. Come on wlad, fight another good big man. Someone who has skill, can move and bang. Come on!!!! Not another short fat guy.Posted October 9, 2013 1:16 pm
ESB:Should Wladimir Klitschko been disqualified for holding against Povetkin?
Hey idiot, go watch Lenox fight with Tyson. Lenox is a master octopus. Wlad picked the same strategy against smaller fighter same as lewis did against tyson, but some how now wlad is a bad boxer. G o blow lewis then.Posted October 9, 2013 10:50 am
This Octopus would’ve been a good mop for Lewis over just two rounds.Posted October 9, 2013 10:08 am
this is the sad state of hw boxing today, total crap.Posted October 9, 2013 8:29 am
Great analogy Turbo ; Saying Ali was the greatest fighter of all time , is like saying ;
Turbo – I agree 100%, Clutch-kos are battling with BUMS like Saunders, Brewster & Haye. Having no HOFmers on the resume and era hurts their careers and rating.Mike Tyson is not the best ever HW but my man blew away BUMS and showed they had no place in tne ring with him not this borefest one has to endure with the Clutch-kos and it’s not as if yhey display some kinda sublime boxing skills while doing so.Posted October 9, 2013 7:51 am
Borenard Hopkins clinched Winky Wright 139 times. That’s little Winky Wright the blown up junior middleweight who Hopkins dragged up 2 divisions.Posted October 9, 2013 6:43 am
Why is this post in stretchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mode ????Posted October 9, 2013 3:04 am
A 4 rounds to 2 rounds lead in a 12 round fight is very significant.. You only have to split the following rounds to win.. But the fighter who is behind has to win 5 of 6 rounds to win.. If he’s already getting outboxed winning 5 of the next 6 rounds is tough to do.
The stoppage was good. Vitali had enough damage to his left eye lid that a doctor could legitimately call a stoppage. But the fight should have gone to the scorecards because the cuts were caused by illegal contact. Obviously, since Vitali was winning on all scorecards that win goes to VK.Posted October 9, 2013 2:50 am
Alexander Povetkin gave it all he had. He brought the fight to Wlad and did what he had to while avoiding a long distance jab fest. He did a good job. Far superior to the joke David Haye who brought zero to the Wlad fight he had. I give Povetkin props for showing up with a plan and executing it to his best ability. Wlad was the better man this night and knocked the crap out of Pov., by putting him on the canvas for the first time in his Pro career with a short powerful left hook, and Wlad took his undefeated status and also took Povs Belt and took Povs Russian popularity. All in all a very good win for Wlad. USA is ‘NIV’ in this one. ‘NIV’ stands for Not In-Volved.
…………………………………UKRAINE over RUSSIA……………………………….
Big…..for K-Bros…very Big.
USA and HBO do not understand this. Tards do not understand this….Posted October 8, 2013 11:59 pm
It helps when your career crosses paths with other great careers – like Liston, Frazier, Holmes, Foreman etc.Posted October 8, 2013 10:48 pm
Ali certainly isn`t the greatest fighter of all time. Not the best heavy of all time in my book either. He is the greatest sporting icon of all time though.
Che Guevara, The Beatles, Ali, Elvis, James Dean, Marilyn Monroe etc – there are certain icons, idols that create a cult following that goes beyond the reality.Posted October 8, 2013 10:46 pm
The following is take from a Jeff Powell article, “Save the Klitschko bashing until someone is capable of doing it in the ring.” End of discussion……Posted October 8, 2013 10:45 pm
Nicolas ; Anyone who REALLY thinks , that Ali was the ” greatest
Y’all need to see the post fight photos of this fight to see the violent energy expended in the fight by both. This was not an easy fight for either, and Pov really got his eyes, nose and forehead lit up. He was a disaster at end of fight. Wlad did a job on him, and beat him up real good. There will not be a rematch. Wlad goes on to destroy Pulev next and whoever they stand up next in front of him. Everybody invited, nobody ducked or dodged. Maybe Wilder after Pulev!! He gets the Steel hammer also.Posted October 8, 2013 8:50 pm
Wow really ? THEN LL SHOULD OF BEEN DQ AS WELL. Thats how lenox worked on tyson when they fought. Wlad only followed what his trainer tought him, its the best defense for shorter boxer who loves to sniff arm pitts. The writer is an idiot for even bringing this up. Wlad #1Posted October 8, 2013 8:30 pm
analamous, please go to another site with your fetish. This is Boxing.Posted October 8, 2013 8:17 pm
I love talking about white sss guys coz my mom loves white men and im afraid to tell her i also love me some white ass. Im coming out of the closet, tired of being on the down low, I hope you guys dont judge me.Posted October 8, 2013 7:48 pm
Sixth round, v even, both men tiring. nothing much happen for a lot of it. Lewis land one good uppercut, Vitali took it. Both men hanging on and holding. Lewis was a heavy man, too bulky.Posted October 8, 2013 7:19 pm
Wlad managed 182 this weekend. GOAT clinchingPosted October 8, 2013 7:19 pm
Look guys a white man did my mom in the butt, now im hurt and taking it out on the white man, im sorry.Posted October 8, 2013 7:16 pm
Lennox did not want to lose to white man Vitali in rematch, so he retire and leave sport: Fine. Vitali became HW champion. THE man to beat.Posted October 8, 2013 7:14 pm
John Ruiz clinched Andre Golota 156 times over 12 rounds.
Devon Alexander clinched Marcos Maidana 119 times over 10 rounds.
Andre Ward clinched Kessler 88 times in 11 rounds and nutted him silly
Ali clinched Fazier 147 times in their 2nd fight over 12 rounds.Posted October 8, 2013 6:50 pm
People need to watch round 6 of Lewis VK again – sound down – not listening to that buffoon George Foreman, who lets be honest was wrong about everything he called in the fight. Shouting a load of hyperbole passes for analysis with Fatty Foreman
Lewis plopped hard in his chair at the end of the round, but you are allowed to, that is when you rest.
Vitali actually spent the end of the round desperately clinching, while Lewis was just trying to make room to punch – and a fair part of the reason is likely because he had eaten an uppercut that would have destroyed an asteroid.
This isn`t a defence of not taking the rematch, or at least bowing out with a little more class than badmouthing the Klitschkos, but all the ranting in the world isn`t going to turn that result around for Vitali.
McCall knocked Lewis out in under 6 rounds, Rahman knocked Lewis out in under 6 rounds – it can and was done, so I don`t get this continuous picking at what was a lesser result than other guys already achieved.Posted October 8, 2013 6:14 pm
Wladimir is the most boring boxer in history. He hasnt faced one GREAT heavyweight in his life and that isnt his fault but to say he is great would be crazy. I have never seen so much huggin in my life. One, Two , hold. Sometimes its hold without the one, two. Its a reason why he doesnt get on tv in the US. With fight like that, I hope I never see that bum again. Its sad because he is the best heavyweight out there nowPosted October 8, 2013 6:01 pm
I ll beremembered for all the guys that I blew in my neighborhood, im sure my legacy will be I drank the most cum. Im upset I couldnt best even the klitschko s sparing partners, but I bet I could suck all of them off the fastest. Im proud of that legacy.Posted October 8, 2013 5:54 pm
Wladimir best heavyweight of all time. He ko Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson and Lewis, probably all inside 5 rounds!!Posted October 8, 2013 5:49 pm
nah, Roger Mayweather entered the ring before bell rang ( should off been desq, by rule) and he was not desq… nahPosted October 8, 2013 5:30 pm
Yes the cheating roidhead and the referee needs his nuts put in a mincer for allowing itPosted October 8, 2013 5:07 pm
Wot a crap fight im afraid this is sign of the end of wlad boxing like that u can’t enjoy boxing like that its a fear thing that is he best retire right now time to call it a day me old matePosted October 8, 2013 4:47 pm
SREDMOND: I don’t want to say that Lewis would not have beaten Vitali in that fight. It has been a long time since I saw that fight, but I gave Lewis the third and the fifth rounds of that fight, not the sixth. I felt that while Vitali seemed to be in trouble with that eye, Lewis at the time did not seem to be able to put on an effort to really finish Vitali, as he really didn’t seem to have any strength in his punches. True he may have been eventually able to come on stronger and really finish off Vitali, and leave no doubt on his greatness. I have Lewis as the second greatest heavyweight of all time behind Ali, (his weight and size sure helps here)Posted October 8, 2013 4:21 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
Anonymous,no ones interested in your trash talk anymore you bum!!so go brush your teeth with a wire brush!!you spineless gimp!! bruce the w@nker!!!Posted October 8, 2013 4:10 pm
The lewis vitili fight didnt hurt vitili s career but inhanced it, further enhanced by lewis no giving vitili the well derved rematch. Not giving vitili a rematch looks bad for lewis. What hurts vitilis legacy is him retiring 4 years during the time he could have been building a legacy. If vitili had a lewis win on his resume would look good, its not on their and its no fault of klitschko. I wonder what klitschko could have acomplished during his 4 years of inactivity. Klitschkos a beast, no doubt sbout it, justbmade bad career choices and had injurys, cant really bust a guys chops for that. I will always remember vitili as a true badass.Posted October 8, 2013 3:26 pm
Wlad’s is just too scared of losing the legacy he’s built. Personally, he shouldn’t. This late in the game, he should just go for it and if he gets KOed, big deal. All of his losing were by KO, so it wouldn’t be his first. He NEEDS to remind fans that one he was an all-action fighter that was fun to watch. Sadly, he hasn’t done anything like this since the Byrd rematch that started his current reign.Posted October 8, 2013 3:02 pm
I hate these BLURRED LINES ******Posted October 8, 2013 2:40 pm
Everybody get up, WOO!
Jake, sorry you missed the Lewis vs Vitali bout but Lewis WON the 6th on ALL 3 scorecards and Vitali walked like a Zombie to his corner with his head down… Sure Lewis was fatigued from punching holes in Vitalis face but nonetheless the damage was done… Ali was tired as HELL after stopping Frazier in the 14th but he WONNNNNNNN!!! Vitali got NO moral victory unless we are to view him as a pure underling… What Champion is happy to be TKOed in the 6th round by a FARRRRRRRRR GReater Champion…. Klits is gonna retire into obscurity absent his political aspirations…. TRUTHPosted October 8, 2013 2:30 pm
Lennox Lewis did NOT become Undisputed HW Champion by BASHING in Vitali Klitschkos face, he simply retained the distinction he had ALREADY earned.. Klits was a LATE replacement who gave it a hearty go for a few rounds and was sent to the plastic surgeon empty handed… Laying on the table getting his GRILL put back together while Lennox pondered his next moves and opted to retire after turning back yet ANOTHER wishful challenger…There is NOTHING special that Vitali did, he did NOT put Lewis down, stop him, nor accumulate more than a paltry 2 point lead…Lewis had lost before but he was NOT gonna lose to an arm puncher like Vitali Klits once he adjusted… Klit fans are beside themselves with Grief because that fight was the TICKET to having a strong argument for Vitali being more than just another HOF HW…. But that went up in dust and since then it has been Charr, Cruisers like Adamek, Gomes, RELICS like Briggs and mopes like Sosnowski…. That night ENDED much of the potential upside of Vitalis career and we have had 10 years to see him produce a fight or challenge worthy of the cache he would have gained by beating an OLD Lewis but his sometimes choking (Byrd/Lewis) got him that night the rest his history… He is a SINGLE beltholder not really worth mention alongside an Undisputed Champion like Lewis, even Bowe, Tyson and Holyfield were Undisputed but Vitali is a MERE fractional beltholder with the stink of Lewis scrotum forever in his nostrils… So it is written, so shall it be done decreed the Lord!Posted October 8, 2013 2:27 pm
You read it.. In spite of yourself.Posted October 8, 2013 2:12 pm
LOL at the headline. If Wlad should’ve been DQed then so should Garcia, who held Matthysse even more times than Wlad did. Plus he head butted him three times and hit him below the belt.Posted October 8, 2013 2:01 pm
I do!Posted October 8, 2013 1:42 pm
tark nobody reads your nonsensePosted October 8, 2013 1:25 pm
The beauty is, more and more fans are becoming aware of who actually won the Lewis-Klitschko fight… They know the fans booed Lewis and cheered Klitschko after the fight and that Vitali was winning on ALL SCORECARDS. The video record will live forever and it’s there for historians to check out.
After the first Roy Jones-Antonio Tarver fight Jones was declared the winner by the corrupt judges. But the fans all knew Tarver was beating up Jones. It was Roy Jones’s home town and the crowd booed Jones and cheered Tarver… Unlike Lewis, Jones was man enough to give Tarver a rematch. Roy got KTFO early … Tarver was one pissed off MFer.
And that’s what Vitali Klitschko would have been in Lewis-Klitschko II.Posted October 8, 2013 1:18 pm
Iron Mike – Tyson got a whole lot of hugging against Holyfield, Douglas and McBride, fights he lost and lost badly. Wlad smothers him!Posted October 8, 2013 1:15 pm
This whole Wlad was holding nonsense is getting out of hand. First of all holding and clinching is part and parcel of boxing and secondly he held a lot because Povetkin was coming for him head first into his chest so it was case of 6 of one half a dozen of the other in terms of the infringements. Funny how Povetkin was fairly magninimous in defeat and just accepted he got beat by the better man. Next you’ll be suggesting Ward should have been DQ’d for holidng Kessler and headbutting ?? Oh no forgot this is an American site!Posted October 8, 2013 1:09 pm
ALEXANDER, YOU HAVE a great point re LENNOX LEWIS not re matching VITALI KLITSCHKO. It would be very interesting for ESB, JOSEPH HERRON, VIVEK WALLACE or someone else to do a bit of digging and refresh our memories as to the chronology and the facts surrounding Lennox not giving VITALI the rematch he deserved!!!Posted October 8, 2013 1:07 pm
Sredmond ; ” the beauty of Lewis defeating Klitchko was that it left him as the undisputed champion of the world “…… Well , yes and no ! He ( Lenny ) ,
The ref is supposed to be the man in charge, I believe Michael Buffer even states that before the fight begins. Refs are supposed to uphold the rules, judges are supposed to score the fight the way whoever pays them the most wants them to score it. (Sorry, couldn’t resist that.) Anyway, it’s like any game where there are refs/umpires etc. , if they are not enforcing the rules stringently, then you take whatever liberties you can, it may be boring and I was bored, but he fought a safety first fight, hit him, grab him before he hits you. Smart.Posted October 8, 2013 12:59 pm
Sredmon, I dont disagree with your remarks the heavyweight champion should have the right to retire when he wishes. And the way Lewis dug deep to come back split open Vitali’s eye and win the match is the highlight of his career in my opinion. However, after the fight Lewis disregarded a rematch with Vitali claiming Vitali was damaged goods and his eye would never hold up. After Vitali beat Johnson so easily and the WBC made him mandatory challenger the Lewis camp goes quite looks for a legal way out and than suddenly annouces his retirment claiming there are no challenges left. Come on dude you just came off the most exciting fight of your life you were losing and screams for a rematch but you have “no challenges left”. The disrespect to Vitali was unbecoming a fine champion like Lewis.Posted October 8, 2013 12:56 pm
Sredmond, I didn’t say Lewis “owed” Vitali the rematch. Unfortunately the WBC did though. They mandated it in fact. That is why a guy who wasn’t considering retirement had his last moments in the ring being booed, barely making it to the stool after 6, AND being roughed up by Larry Merchant in the interview. Truth!Posted October 8, 2013 12:50 pm
Alexander, the beauty of Lewis defeating Klitschko is that it left him as Undisputed HW Champ
Tark. I think many people now just skip your posts because you talk too many tarky talesPosted October 8, 2013 12:48 pm
its hard for boxers to walk away. Look at vitali……..its over 12 months since he thumbed charr and cheated to win and still no word.Posted October 8, 2013 12:47 pm
jim rich, belt holders don’t have to or force to fight another belt holder. they are only force to fight their #1 challinger in their organzation once a year. i don’t know how young you are just look at the 80’s holmes the wbc champion never fought any of the wba champion.Posted October 8, 2013 12:46 pm
Sredmond, I would not have had a problem with Lewis retiring after he beat Vitali if he had said that was a brutal tough fight and I have had enough and want to go out on top. Lewis did not do this howvever he delayed his retirment 9 months and only did retire after Vitali beat Kirk Johnson and became his mandatory challenger. Lets be clear if Lewis was not backed into a corner to have to fight Vitali again he would have carried on fighting. It is why though Vitali did lose to Lewis in the ring he also retired Lewis that night. To lose the battle but win the war!Posted October 8, 2013 12:36 pm
Lewis didn’t “beat” Vitali’s face in.. There was very little swelling…but there were deeply slashed cuts..
Look at the swelling of George Foreman’s face and head after his Alex Stewart fight.. Look at the swelling for Joe Frazier’s face and head after Ali-Frazier 1.. There’s a big difference between a beaten face and a slashed face.. In Vitali’s case his face was slashed with the thumb, edge, heel, and palm of Lewis’s right glove, and Lewis’s head to boot.
Since the cuts were caused by illegal contact, the fight should have gone to the scorecards… Because Vitali was WINNING the fight on ALL SCORECARDS he was the rightful winner.Posted October 8, 2013 12:35 pm
Jake, Vitali at his PEAK before retirement could NOT put a 2x stopped Lewis on his butt whereas Lennox gave Vitali the WORST physical betting of his often padded resume…The guy has never before or since taken such abuse nor bleed like a virgin in a porno….Lennox what an AWESOME legacy to retire Undisputed HW Champion he did not owe that now BELTHOLDER anything….Posted October 8, 2013 12:33 pm
Tark, Vitalis minuscule lead was of NO consequence because Lewis made sure the bout was not going to “the cards” Pacquiao and others have (Jemaine Taylor vs Froch) have learned it AINT OVER till it’s over certainly not a WEAK 2 point lead with 6 to go and your face being ripped from the bones by one of the GREAT right hands in HW history… Vitali had shot his was and Lewis was coming on! Winning the last round impressively and smashing him with uppercuts in the 5th…. Vitali was getting knocked out and only the professionalism of the ref spared him his sight and a 10 count in his face…Posted October 8, 2013 12:27 pm
Jake, Lewis fought Tyson when he was 35 and Vitali when he was 37 and a rematch would have occurred when he was 38…. Lewis was a couple of fights removed from being knocked cold by a 15-underdog (Rahman) he entered the ring at his heaviest weight EVER… All that said a PAST HIS BEST Lewis still beat Vitalis face in, to the tune of 5 distinct wounds, 2 on his eyelid, a 2 inch gash in his cheek, and cuts inside his mouth and lips… He rendered Vitali unable to continue and realized after his sloppy performance against a late replacement he was done with boxing and went out in RARE form ON TOP. with Vitalis head on a pike that he probably shows his friends at dinner parties…Vitali was left with the LOSS, the stitches and a quality deficient resume that would have looked much better even with an ACTUAL win over a faded Lewis… My enduring image of Vitali is him moaning pitifully saying “Noooooo” “noooo” with his face packed with gauze…. Guy was not up to the taskPosted October 8, 2013 12:19 pm
SREDMOND.., Everybody knows Lewis was taken out TWICE with one punch to the head.. So if a 7th round had started Vitali might have flattened Lewis like Rahman and McCall did.. Vitali already had Lewis hurt in the fight and Lewis couldn’t hurt Vitali with his best shot. Steward clearly told Lewis, “You’re losing the fight.”
Everyone also know who was winning the fight when it was stopped. Vitali was winning on all cards. It was a referee’s error that the fight didn’t go to the scorecards and the crowd booed Lewis out of the arena.
The crowd cheered Vitali and considered him the winner. So do I. We all know where your bias is coming from … and it’s not a good place.Posted October 8, 2013 12:18 pm
I am going to have to say to many are to blame for this fight.
Wladimir’s Corner, sucky advice.
Wladimir your damn Champion of the world and you can’t even fight on the inside?
Povetkin you think you can beat the champion of the world and have no inside game except to run with your head down into his waist!
There were so pretty cool moments though.Posted October 8, 2013 12:18 pm
Igor Sergeyivich Kholakovkokhskyov
Both Klitschkos in their best form would beat any Tua, Mercer, Briggs, Grant and Golota too. Lennox no give Vitali deserved rematch. Vitali made Lennox leave boxing at same age Wladimir is now because Lewis knew he got lucky cutting Vitali. Vitali became THE man to beat, Wlad is now.Posted October 8, 2013 12:07 pm
Vitali put the final nail in Lewis’ coffin. Lewis is a CHEATER!!!!!!Posted October 8, 2013 11:46 am
Lewis put the final nail in Tyson’s coffin, Vitali was LEWIS final victory and by defeating Klits in his prime he made sure the elder Klit waS NEVER gonna have the resume to really stand tall… Wlad Klits and Lewis accomplished MORE than Vitali by plenty and that’s why all people talk about is Vitali winning 4 puny rounds and getting his face blown open instead of the rest of his career… Mercer, Rahman and McCall did better work with Lewia than Vitali who is a SAD SAD figure trying to become a legend by losing to an OLD legend who put 60 stitches in his face and jammed uppercuts into his mandible….WLads NEVER had a defining fight, one that says “I’m the man” he could not even impress against Haye and Povetkin instead guys are writing articles about his hugging and discussing how painful he is to watch….Posted October 8, 2013 11:39 am
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
Anonymous!the biggest TOSSER ever,stick to knitting,you clown!!BRUCE THE W@NKER!!!Posted October 8, 2013 11:32 am
Igor Sergeyivich Kholakovkokhskyov
Lewis beat old, fat, Tyson in fight only for pay day. Michael Grant would get crushed by either itschko too. Golota quit against Grant as usual when winning. Lewis beat McCall who had mental breakdown in ring to win back title. Danny Williams, Kevin McBride beat old Tyson, made him give up. 37 year old Holyfield deserve draw against Lewis in second fight. Lewis underestimate Vitali and lucky for him, he cut Vitali. No rematch. Vitali put Lennox out of fight game at the same age Wlad is now. Bowe very overrated compared to Klitschkos.Posted October 8, 2013 11:23 am
Cant wait for my cheque to clear…….easy money. I hug men for free anywayPosted October 8, 2013 11:05 am
the biggest hw paper champ ever.Posted October 8, 2013 10:57 am
Lewis would have beat wlad… just becsuse one reason only, wladmirs chin would have not held up to lennox over hand right or his upper cut, thats the truth, however wlad… has a pretty good resume, not the best ever but a reslly good resume, he fought some really good fighters and diffrent types, so I give him credit. I do belive big brother ifvhe didnt retire would have had a great legacy, and vitili had time to train well and had a rematch he had a 50% chance to beat lewis.Posted October 8, 2013 10:55 am
I give Wlad credit for his run against Chambers, the skilled but undersized Bryd, Brock and Chagaev… That said the last few years have been padding His resume… Who was Lewis facing at 37? Vitali Klitschko a YOUNGER fellow SHW fighter… Who was Wlad in with? Povetkin surely a World Class fighter but a man who’s stock plummeted due to his ekeing by a Cruiser, horrid foes like Boswell and a dead Rahman as well as ducking Klits and other relevant contenders…Wlad’s not a ducker that I see, but his relative low level of career comp cannot be obscured by his gaudy record on paper…His brothers resume is hideous hence his trying to live off losing to Lewis for the past 10 or 11 years….Posted October 8, 2013 10:46 am
There is NO comparison between Lewis at 37 and Wlad at 37, Lewis had accomplished everything conceivable against a MUCH better quality of opposition than Wlad who does NOT have a single defining fight on his ledger…Lewis had 2 fights with ATG Holyfield, stopped Tyson for good, and broke future HW Champ Vitalis Klits face open and stopped him in 6 rounds at the Elder Klits peak… Even the next tier of Lewis opponents David Tua, YOUNGER Ray Mercer, Shannon Briggs and Undefeated Grant were better than almost all Wlads opponents….Wlads recent foes have absent Povetikin whos at least World Class have been HORRID, Wach, Mormeck, Pianeta, and OLD recycled Tony Thompson..Klitschko has NEVER fought a HOF level or historically big name HW fighter, even his two biggest names in recent memory he failed to impress (Povetkin and Haye) Wlads a HOF fighter but those of us who know boxing can see Lennox Lewis would have knocked him COLD in 5 rounds….Klits was not gonna toss Lewis to the canvas, and his brother saw how TOUGH the “Lion” was when Lennox chewed his face off as past it fighter…Posted October 8, 2013 10:35 am
tark are you demon”s brother another bible basher.Posted October 8, 2013 10:15 am
I dont’t think so Joker. We are talking about boxing and boxers. Keep it in mindPosted October 8, 2013 10:14 am
the hw used to have legends,now we have bums.Posted October 8, 2013 10:12 am
You mean loser not looser, you loser!!!!!!!Posted October 8, 2013 10:11 am
it would bore you to death to watch it again? Then please watch it again!!!Posted October 8, 2013 10:09 am
Igor Sergeyivich Kholakovkokhskyov
Wladimir is 37 years old, a pro for 17 years with 61-3 record. He is the same age Lennox Lewis was when fighting Vitali. Lewis retired without rematch. Vitali put Lewis out of the game. Holyfield deserved draw at least against Lewis in second fight. Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe all overrated.Posted October 8, 2013 10:06 am
and if you a boxer in the ring forget about business. In the ring you are fighter. I pay to see fighter not businessman. Champion should be a hero for boxing fans. Are Klitschkos heros to you? And how? If you say yes you are looserPosted October 8, 2013 10:01 am
Terk. Small Tyson, right? He was 5”11 not 5”10. Most of the time he was at 220lbs (all muscles). For example Povietkin is 190lbs plus 30lbs of fat. But look at Tyson legs, arms etc. So he wasn’t tall but big. Do yourself homework and anylyses what could do prime Tyson to Wlad or vitalij. Byrd was competitive, Chambers did 12 rounds, Povietkin did 12 rds, Briggss did 12 rds and some average boxers like sanders, Brewster won. Do you see any of those are better than Tyson? mike had short prime time but between 86-89 nobody could touch him. After 1999 he was not dedicated any more. to be on top you have to have clear mind and train as hard as always. And Tark stop using bad words about others.Posted October 8, 2013 9:56 am
both complete pricks.Posted October 8, 2013 9:51 am
Should Floyd be disqualified for running like a chicken and boring us to tears???Posted October 8, 2013 6:09 am
tark has the beatPosted October 8, 2013 5:42 am
Why does nobody just slam him in the balls?Posted October 8, 2013 4:38 am
Way too many clit dyck riders and floyd haters on this forum! Im done! Still think clits wouldnt beat my dudes the late 80’s early 90′ hw! Most of you dyck riding clit fans are too young to remember that era of boxing anyway! Im out!Posted October 8, 2013 4:37 am
For the record I don’t say “cumguzzler” whomever stole my screen name… But Tark is indeed and idiot…Posted October 8, 2013 4:35 am
I am not big on just disqualifying guys especially when the ref did NOT crackdown and give appropriate warnings and deductions… What I will say is that Wlad gave us a TERRIBLE looking bout where the BIGGEST critiques of him were playing out front and center… He definitely took “clinching” and “wrestling”‘ to a new level and that’s what people are ticked over… He is a MASSIVE man and if he’s allowed to toss his opponents around what kind of bouts are we gonna see? Everything in life comes down to “degrees” ie blood alcohol tests, crimes etc… Infighting is part of boxing, Klitschko does NOT infight, he is not holding when hurt he is punching then shutting down the action by grabbing and diving all over his opponent the other night he lost his mind and the ref basically have him a Green lightPosted October 8, 2013 4:34 am
Tark is one of the “characters” of boxing – AKA crazy loonPosted October 8, 2013 4:33 am
No! But the referee should be fired!Posted October 8, 2013 2:53 am
It was a nasty fight. I don’t think Wlad extended the fight. It was a nasty fight. Wlad tried his hardest in one round, don’t know which one beating povetkin with all kinds of crazy shots. It ended with a push. The tubbs fight was crazy fight. Was it the tubbs fight? Tubbs attacked the other fighter wit all kinds of wild shots and the fighter balled up. It was done in seconds. The ref called it a TKO. It was over. The guy was not hurt. That was crazy. It’s over.Posted October 8, 2013 2:39 am
okay, pulev-wlad 2014Posted October 8, 2013 2:33 am
The Ukrainian will beat the Bulgarian also like he did the Russian.Posted October 8, 2013 1:52 am
And to finally answer the question about which is the title of the main article, no Wlad should not have been disqualified. As has already been sited by others, povetkin didn’t complain and neither did his cornor. Also Povetkin was fighting like a coward diving into wlad and slinging his arm around him. As some joked it looked like he wanted a taste of wlad nut sack or something he was pretty comfortable down there. Povetkin seemed to do okay the first 3 rounds but after that he would throw like 5 or 6 pathetic punches and hold or get layed on by wlad. Someone said Povetkin was undefeated never knocked down, lol really I missed that part before the fight cause I thought the guy was some bum they fed to klit again, at least that is how it looked. So how does it go wlad wins the fight and no one wins the event, or at least we all had a good laugh aftward at how horrible the fight was, lol. I just want to see Wlad vs Vitali, shouldn’t they be stripped of the belts if they don’t fight each other, since when were the rules you as a belt holder can deny to fight another belt holder in your division just because your brother is the belt holder. Really that’s some special rule we just go by because they are brothers. I say they fight each other or they lose the belts or one has to give up his belt and the other one can stay champ. But someone said that they who have the gold make the rules, so they must have bought off the organizations of the belts which probably nothing new. Vitali has joint and health issues anyways so he is due to retire soon probably, wlad should just defend all the belts.Posted October 8, 2013 1:46 am
sooo, can’t wait for the pulev-wlad 2014Posted October 8, 2013 1:27 am
“The K Bros are brilliant businessmen.” … there you go. That is why they hired Bernd Bönte as manager of Klitschko Management Group GmbH. Bönte studied politics, history and German. He gained years of experience in several of the media outlets to include several different Television stations beginning with training, editing, commentating, moderating . . . the guy is shrewd.
The little escapade into American taught them a quick lesson. They came running home to Germany. They got born again. They have long term goals . . . not short term.Posted October 8, 2013 1:27 am
John Rich, only people that know at least a little about boxing should be posting on ESB.Posted October 8, 2013 1:11 am
People have a fight or flight instinct in the face of danger and adversity, hardwired into their brains. It’s possible that when Wlad gets in intense situations he is just not able to overcome that hardwiring in his brain. I think a fighter that can push Wlad into that position again like past 3 fighters mention purrity, sanders( well he just whipped his ars), and Brewster put on him then we could see Wlad falter again. But really the cometition is weak. We could just say there are the klit bros are champs and just start ranking everyone from #11,#12,#13, #14 on down and leave the top 10 heavyweights empty, it could just be that bad right now. So who knows who will come along and really be able to test that chin of Wlad and have him go into that instinctive flight mode where he just wants out of danger. That punch that dropped arreola that would do it, Wilder has a good punch so I think there may be some hope yet If Wlad stays around long enough. Wlad has the classic flight mode animal instinct, like those sheep you say boo to and they fall over, he has a hardwire defect in his head that just turns him into sir-grab-a-lot fighting scared fighter. I mean I’m being hard on him he has been a dominant champ and deserves credit but he has a flaw that is going to affect his place in heavyweight history unless he can change that in future fights to help repair some of the past stinker fights he has had.Posted October 8, 2013 1:07 am
Wlad himself said he was not a natural fighter and thats all too clear with his man hug sessionsPosted October 8, 2013 1:05 am
He CAN fight, but you wouldn`t describe his style as a “fighter”.
He is a technician, a boxer puncher – though one without a massive range of punches and skills – primarily because he hasn`t needed it.
Why shoulder roll when you can just back off while jabbing in safety.Posted October 8, 2013 1:01 am
Tark you like woad as a person well he just ripped off the public for another non fight. The gu sucks he is lucky he didn’t fight in the 90sPosted October 8, 2013 1:00 am
….., “I like wlad as a person he just is not a fighter.”
Right.. Not a fighter.. He’s an Olympic Heavyweight Champion with 100’s of amateur fights and 64 professional fights.. His professional record is 61-3 including 24 World Championship Fights.. His KO ratio is over 80%.. He hasn’t been beaten in over 9 years.
Can you imagine what he’d do if he could actually fight???Posted October 8, 2013 12:56 am
Actually i take that back. I like wlad as a person he just is not a fighterPosted October 8, 2013 12:50 am
Shame his mrs was fking some other dude at the same time. That has to be a world first……earn 11 million quid and get cheated on at the same time. BravoPosted October 8, 2013 12:49 am
The K Bros are brilliant businessmen..
The fight was in Russia.. With a Russian Olympic Gold Medalist—who was also an undefeated Heavyweight Champion with blond hair.
Wladimir wanted badly to knock AP out.. Barring a KO he wanted to beat AP every minute of every round.. He wasn’t taking ANY chances having been robbed before.. The K Bros are paranoid about cheating and being drugged in foreign countries.. Wladimir didn’t want Povetkin to win a minute of a round, so nobody could give him the fight no matter what happened. He might have been a little too intense.
The Heavyweight Championship is worth many millions. Wladimir is 20 million dollars richer today…and he left Russia with the title. That’s what matters. That’s ALL that matters.
There’s an old boxing adage, “Win this fight—and look good in the next one.”Posted October 8, 2013 12:47 am
Wladimir problem is he is like the tin man, he has no heart. Wlad wins but the fans are the ones who decide your place in history. In the good ole USA, wlad is an unpopular champ, in russia he actually was cheered for that travesty of a heavyweight championship fight. Champs have heart, courage and they have a presence in the ring that commands respect, vlad doesn’t command that respect. In russia they apparently are just happy wlad is the champ, that is enough for them. Of course wlad has to be compared to past heavyweights as this is a world sport, not an isolated sport in russia but it seems that it is becoming that way. Anyone every heard of it’s not wether you win or lose but how you play the game. Well Wlad plays to win and he doesn’t really care how he wins as long as he wins. Bring in bums and midgit heavyweights, whatever he will take wins all night but that is not going to garner any real respect from fans. Wlad reign or whatever you call it as worldwide heavyweight champ reminds me of george foreman fighting bums on his comback, i mean that’s what people do to pad their record or in george case pad the record and get rid of ring rust. The thing is that when other heavyweights like tyson or holyfield or lewis or foreman were in against anyone outside of the top tier of heavyweights they knock them out, they attack and kill their opponents with confidence and ferocity that comes from a championship caliber fighter. Wlad when he fights these bums by choice or because they are the only one available for him to fight, he doesn’t have the ferocity and confidence that past heavyweights have had. Somewhere along the way someone told Wlad if you win that’s all that matters, well they are only partially right because it’s how you win that will determine your place in history. And if you were TKO or KO bums in short order instead of having a grabfest for 12 rounds then no one would care if he was fighting bums because he would be dispatching them like a champion. Again Wlad is a top tier heavyweight yes but he has fowled and soiled the underpants of boxing so bad with these type of fights it really leaves a Sh@t stain on his legacy that just can’t be washed out.Posted October 8, 2013 12:39 am
Are there any of those 80’s bawbags boxers who weren`t on the roids like Morrison, or the crack like McCall?
It`s no wonder they all had no defence, all hyped up on MC Hammer and coke and Rocky movies.Posted October 8, 2013 12:18 am
you mean who?Posted October 8, 2013 12:18 am
I love how Tysons prime lasts right up until he meets some semi decent boxers then mysteriously vanishes when he is still in his 20’s.
When people talk about the fat idiot character in the Hangover I am not sure if they mean Alan or Mike Tyson.Posted October 8, 2013 12:14 am
Oh Tarky boy were are you ??? Are you with Mork :) Hows your butt ?Posted October 8, 2013 12:13 am
Evrybody have their moments. For example Tyson killed Frank Bruno 2 times. Lewis was loosing until big shot in 7. In fact 2 fight Lewis-Holy was close to draw or even for Holy. I am not saying I like Evander. I don’t like him. But we have to be honest. And if poor Sanders or Brewster can KO Wlad than Evander can too. Than Lewis can and Tyson.Posted October 8, 2013 12:11 am
The thing we all have in common no matter our opinion is our love of the sweet science…. Keep loving the beautiful science silly fellow posters… Maybe one day we will have women, kids and a life. Till than we are a loser family of posters together :-)Posted October 8, 2013 12:10 am
In all seriousness I think people need to accept that Bowe was the most overrated heavyweight in history.
He`s a bawbag.
Ooooh but he has a nice jab.
BAWBAG. 100% BAWBAG.Posted October 8, 2013 12:06 am
TARK would love thatPosted October 8, 2013 12:03 am
hahahahhaPosted October 8, 2013 12:02 am
People still m0ng on about Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe. Those guys were b@wbags. They were American so they get rated by chumps, when in fact Bowe is a ducker who got outboxed by Golota, Tyson folded the moment he met resistance and Holyfield just made his name fighting those useless two then getting outclassed by Lewis.Posted October 7, 2013 11:57 pm
I used to be a Bernard Hopkins fan until I saw how dirty he was. Heard he was a complete A hole outside the ring. The guy is a piece of crap hope he dies !Posted October 7, 2013 11:49 pm
Guys be honest with yourself. Wladimir fought as a real champion? Was he aggressor? Did you like his style? To be a champion you have to fight like a champion. I liked him more before E. Steward. Now he is more wrestler than pure boxerPosted October 7, 2013 11:45 pm
Oh my god reading this that Old Yank put up of reminds me of Bernard Hopkins dirty tactics in the ring.
A list of common fouls that may be committed by boxers (or seconds,
Wlad was drugged in Brewster 1 you idiot. All they have is fights that happened a long time ago.Posted October 7, 2013 11:38 pm
@ sc – sanders and brewster smashed vlad! U mean to tell me the hof’s i mention wont do the same? U cool and all but u really need to stop getting high! LolPosted October 7, 2013 11:33 pm
To Lion King. Are you crazy man? So you think Klitschkos are that good? Remember Vitalij-Byrd? Wlad-Sanmore examples? Wlad-Peter. Peter is and was nobody. Vitalij- Shannon Brigs? Prime Shannon was down 4 or 5 times. No chance against Lennox. Old Shannon was able to stay for 12 rounds with Vitalij. Can you imagine Tyson vs Chambers for 12 rounds? What do you like in Klitchs? Technic? Speed? Killer instinct? They toll and use dirty tactics . ders? If you tell me it was long ago do you remember Wlad-Chisora? Wlad-Chambers? You think prime Tyson or Lewis have problems with them? You needPosted October 7, 2013 11:32 pm
Anonymous- you late 4 your klan meeting?Posted October 7, 2013 11:11 pm
Disqualified no…maybe a point taking off 2 stop it happening. Wouldn’t have mattered. He’d need 8 points taking of him 2 lose that fight.Posted October 7, 2013 11:05 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
“Tyson, holyfield, lewis, bowe, and ray mercer in their primes would kill both klit bros. Damn i miss the great hw of the late 80′s early 90′s! Back when hw boxing was great!”
I like you dude, but that’s an absolute joke! I can’t even take you seriously when you say something like that. The ONLY one out of that bunch big enough and skilled enough to compete with the K-Bros was Lewis. And Vitali outboxed him 4 rounds to 2 and forced him into retirement at just 37-years-old. Lewis straight-up DUCKED the rematch — which would’ve been the biggest HW fight in boxing history.Posted October 7, 2013 11:03 pm
Yes, he should have had several points deducted and been disqualified if necessary. Although Ali used to push his opponent’s head down (Frazier’s and even Foreman’s), but this was far worse and frequent IMO. It looked like he wanted Povetkin to give him a BJ. He pushed Povetkin down in head lock and punched him, he totally bullied him. Povetkin should had hit him low until he had points deducted! Although Vlad is so much bigger and so much stronger as a super heavyweight, he fought like a coward. I am typically a fan, but this was very disappointing and the worst that I have seen him fighting this way…Posted October 7, 2013 10:53 pm
Hilado…Manny Steward was an honest and well-respected boxing legend… He knew who to train and he trained the best….. With Lewis and WK he reigned atop of the HW division….for nearly 20 years…. You are both arrogant and naive to suggest Manny Steward was wrong about WK. Nice try though.Posted October 7, 2013 10:43 pm
Cant blame Wlad for something the ref allowed to happen, he is just doing what he always has, fight tall and protect that chin at all costs…My question to Povetkin is how he expected to deal with Wlad by facing guys like Rahman, some unknown euro guy and Huck who slapped him around for 12 rds as preparation?Posted October 7, 2013 10:40 pm
Hidalgo : ” what else would you expect Manny Stewrt to say ” … Brilliant !
I like wlad, think he’s a great champ but he stunk the joint out Saturday. Clinching, holding are part of the sport, but good god! I’m reminded of that horrible Lewis vs akinwande slow dance. Wlad bent him over, threw uppercuts the ref couldn’t see and slung povetkin down every chance he got. I hope to see better from wlad next time.Posted October 7, 2013 10:30 pm
“WK is one of the best heavyweights of all time, at present he is invincible”
What else would you expect Steward to say about his main meal ticket, his
Whenever there aren`t either American, or American based fighters at the top of a weight division it is declared weak.Posted October 7, 2013 10:26 pm
“More hypotheticals Hidalgo? It was a boxing match that saw a dominant champ retaining his title AGAIN! How about that left jab/ hook that sent an undefeated fighter who’s never been down sprawling to the canvas? Skills son!”
How about that forearm to the neck Wlad used to throw Povetkin to the canvas? Nothing hypothetical about that. Neither was his 36 clinches in the first three rounds. Everyone saw it with their own eyes. Except you of course. Apparently.
BTW, even though Wlad didn’t get Alexander to the canvas every time he did it, he used that same illegal maneuver repeatedly in the “fight.” Helluva forearm that Wlad has.
But you are right, Jake, Wlad put on the most “dominant” foul-fest I have ever seen.Posted October 7, 2013 10:21 pm
“Vlad beat the crap out of Wach who was 6 feet 8 inches tall and 250 lbs., ”
So? Wach is one guy. Wlad doesn’t make a habit of fighting guys as big as he is. What about the 36 of Wlads opponents who were under 6’3 or under (four of them being 5’11) and weighing as much as 25-35 pounds less than him? That’s the average norm for Wlad’s opponents, not Wach-like creatures.
It ain’t sour grapes. It’s fact. He built his career beating up significantly smaller men.Posted October 7, 2013 10:16 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Old Yank – Povetkin initiated alot of those clinches. He’d throw a punch then lunge forward with head down a grab Klitschko, which Klitschko took advantage of by leaning. It shows his adaptibility to each fighter. Wlad usually boxes beautifully from the outside. As Lampley said, if the ref is not calling it, then why stop.Posted October 7, 2013 10:13 pm
More hypotheticals Hidalgo? It was a boxing match that saw a dominant champ retaining his title AGAIN! How about that left jab/ hook that sent an undefeated fighter who’s never been down sprawling to the canvas? Skills son!Posted October 7, 2013 10:11 pm
“The heavyweight division has NEVER been stronger… ”
Yes it has. But it certainly hasn’t ever been more embarrassing.Posted October 7, 2013 10:09 pm
“You’re right on one count dwc… K’s are easily the most underrated heavies.”
Wlad also has a history of fightining opponents that are significantly smaller tha him. I say Wlad is way over-rated. But you’re entitled to your opinion, Tark.Posted October 7, 2013 9:55 pm
Wladimir, Floyd, Bhop…perennial champs…that suck.Posted October 7, 2013 9:53 pm
Fools still cannot present a logical argument to counteract Wlads greatness as it pertains to a near decade of domination.
We have IDIOTS here trying to create scenarios where 70’s icons take it to Wlad, or Wlad is 3 inches shorter, simply refusing to accept the REALITY of Wlads statistical greatness as it pertains to knocking out opponents.
Wlad books another win, another 17 million, another night in Hayden’s panties and haters gonna hate.Posted October 7, 2013 9:47 pm
The smart guys here should make (into a blog) a rankings for judges and referees, I mean top-10 worst boxing judges in the world and then top-10 worst boxing referees in the world, so something will be made into all that world boxing circusPosted October 7, 2013 9:44 pm
Pabon means “not good” in french!Posted October 7, 2013 9:32 pm
Tomato Can Stan — Please point out the bout where you saw Lewis leaning on his opponents as many times a Klitschko was leaning on Povetkin. Hell HALF AS MANY TIMES!?Posted October 7, 2013 9:23 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Old Yank – Lewis used to lean all the time. In fact, both fighters were taught this tactic by the same man : Emmanuel Steward.Posted October 7, 2013 9:18 pm
How many titles does this unbeatable man have? Hes so dominate that americans are still trying too get off on the past.Posted October 7, 2013 9:14 pm
Wlad fans don`t have to prove anything as it pertains to booking yet another win to add to his burgeoning greatness.
It speaks volumes that FOOLS need to rake back through history to come up with small weak fighters like Ali who they believe would go more than 3 rounds with peak Wlad. Laughable.
It`s a sad indictment on our society that we now have a half-white man in the Whitehouse, and yet the commentary on any white boxer excelling is tainted with racial bitterness.
Seems Martin Luther Kings dreams aren`t going to come true anytime just yet.Posted October 7, 2013 9:06 pm
Leaning on a fighter’s back is indeed illegal — it is a form of holding. A good ref will call it a bad ref won’t.
Holding a fighters body down or holding his head while punching with your free hand is also illegal. A good ref will call it a bad ref won’t.
The rules (Section 15. FOULS) are printed below for those who don;t know them.
It is perfectly reasonable for a fan to interpret what Klitschko was doing as “cheating”. A good ref would have brought the nonsense from both fighters to a halt early in the bout!Posted October 7, 2013 8:51 pm
From what I’ve read, SRedmond has been making the most consistent points and the Wlad fans can’t take it. So they’re deflecting from the issues.Posted October 7, 2013 8:49 pm
Indeed Klitschko “won”. It was PATHETIC and a bout devoid of enforcing the rules. If this is what boxing fed us continually it would be a dead sport withing a year!
WORLD BOXING COUNCIL RULES FOR CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTS:
[PLEASE NOTE #13 and #16 below — they are fouls for which a ref may deduct points.]
A list of common fouls that may be committed by boxers (or seconds,
O. K. , A boring fight, an ugly fight , an unstylish fight , fine , I’ll accept
I think what we need to understand as it pertains to this situation is that Klitschko has booked yet ANOTHER victory over an undefeated opponent without even breaking a sweat and got paid 17 million for doing so. In that opponents hometown no less.
Fools on here still trying to deny his greatness and just keep adding hurdles. Weep boys weep.Posted October 7, 2013 8:33 pm
This new Klit NUTCASE “Wolf” is clearly a FACIST who’s pivot is defending the indefensible and when that fails and he’s bent over the pommel horse he crys “Racism” at the top of his lungs… This BUM fails to call out Wlads 181 clinches and him slamming Alexader Povetkin to the ground multiple times… Instead he comes out with his shriveled pecker and paper Uzi trying to justify Klits HORRID outing with bouts from 3 years ago… I CANNOT be put on trial because I’m not a boxer and certainly not by a DENSE easily flayed upstart like the “Wolf” welcome to ESB…. :)Posted October 7, 2013 8:24 pm
Auto correct. BfanPosted October 7, 2013 8:21 pm
How did this article manage this big of a response. Lol wowPosted October 7, 2013 8:21 pm
Wolfie, you seem VERY pissed at me, did I mistakenly bang your daughter or wide in the rear?? Possible I guess but in any event why are you SOOO surprised that we are discussing WLAD, he’s the guy who fought on Sat and disgraced himself, notice do you hear me saying “DQ” ?????? We are just calling out the SAD nature of his boxing the other evening but you seem very offended by the TRUTH!! I am simply echoing the HARD reality of what occurred and some of the reasons North America has taken a pass on the Klits… I find your personal rage with me FLATTERING it lets me knows points are hitting home and that you are NOW an SREDMOND convert!! My words are in your head like a drum you cannot time out…!!!Posted October 7, 2013 8:14 pm
Povetkin got him too nervous for comfort. So he resorted to Sumo Boxing, all night long… LolPosted October 7, 2013 8:13 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Who’s doing the holding in the photo to this article, Klitschko or Povetkin ?Posted October 7, 2013 8:09 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
It’s too late for a DQ at this point, so what a ridiculous article. Wlad should’ve have been DQ’d anymore than B-Hop, Ward and Floyd should be for all their dirty, illegal B.S.
But of course, the mayates have no problem with it when their idols clinch and hold all night. The truth is that Ali clinched and held just as much as any of the previously mentioned fighters — if not more. And B-Hop is probably the dirtiest fighter to ever lace up a pair of gloves. FMJ is FAR FROM a clean fighter as well. Real talk.Posted October 7, 2013 7:57 pm
Perhaps the worst fight i have seen in 20 years! My friends who are fans of MMA have been saying “see, i told you so” constantly since Saturday. I’ve never vomited from watching a fight, but i came close…Posted October 7, 2013 7:56 pm
If Povetkin is exhausted and walking in, whey can`t Wlad take a step back and counter? Or stick the jab out to keep him there.
Or do a Lewis – grab that head and show him an uppercut to discourage him from serving up that rubbish?
He doesn`t HAVE to clinch and lean every time, he is simply taking the most safety first option.
A lot of people don`t like that.
At times you watch Wlad and it isn`t the Sweet Science. It is Sweet Actuary.Posted October 7, 2013 7:49 pm
Sorry Wolfie!!!!! Your boy Wlad was shameless last evening and trying to overplay Wards fight with Kesslers NOT gonna wash…LMAO!!!! The title of THIS article is “Should Wlad have been disqualified for fouling Povetkin paraphrasing”
There’s a whole lotta sour grapes in that article & this comment section. Get over it ya dweebs, Wlad just beat another undefeated Heavyweight and knocked him down for the 1st 4 times in his career!Posted October 7, 2013 7:43 pm
Waldimir threw a lot more than Haye did.. He was winning easy so it was up to the nifty boxing, lightning fast, dynamite punching Haye to make something happen..
As it was, Haye was badly out jabbed, out-scored, and out-worked all night. Wladimir is the only man who ever outpointed Haye.
In contrast to Haye … Ali was outpointed 4 times by guys who couldn’t box a lick.Posted October 7, 2013 7:41 pm
Supreme Clown is a fool with a keyboard.
Clown says, “Mike Tyson was champion at the same division at …18!!!!!”Posted October 7, 2013 7:32 pm
“Wlad the hardest man on the planet” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for the laugh demon, you mean the most nervous big man in boxing history?? The guy who was stopped 3x in his prime by unremarkable boxers??? The guy who let David Haye who he outweighed by 30 pounds keep him at bay throwing 14.25 punches per round ???? Klits is effective but he’s a BORE and his fear of getting tagged is palpable…Posted October 7, 2013 7:32 pm
Povetkin was responsible for all the holding.. He was exhausted and was simply walking in so Wladimir was forced to grab him.. You can’t let a shorter puncher get close — into his ideal punching range — and let fly.. If he had Vitali’s chin he could afford to fight a different fight.Posted October 7, 2013 7:28 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Tark – Yes, Vitali gave many fighters their first 0. He was also the first and last to ever stop Larry Donald.Posted October 7, 2013 7:24 pm
Let’s pretend that your data on Ward vs Kessler is accurate and there were 88 clinches… The data I saw from Wlads fight was 181!!!!!!!! That’s OVER 2x as many NOT including Wlad slamming him to the ground when the spirit moved him…Ward and Kessler are for all intensive purposes the SAME size, I’m not mad Klits is a BIG man but when he uses that size to sumo wrestle a smaller boxer for 12 rounds it’s gonna be called OUT…. Soooo if you’re still crying about Ward and Kessler grappling 88 times the it’s ONLY LOGICAL that you are EVEN more enraged about Wlad grabbing the man 181 times!!! But again this is NOT about Andre Ward who’s fight was what 3 years ago? It’s about Wlad Klits and the tragic display we saw this past weekend…Posted October 7, 2013 7:20 pm
The haters all have one thing in common. They all eat KFC all the time. None of them have employment and they feel the white man owes them something. Pathetic losers. I love watching them go nuts when the hardest man on the planet is a 6ft 6 white gentleman who gives millions to poor Africans. In other words he feeds the haters families in their native land and they still hate. Work that out hahaha if you can.Posted October 7, 2013 7:10 pm
Ward initiated 88 illegal clinches on Kessler, hit on the break on numerous occasions, punched low, stuck the elbow in, and sliced his face up with repeated deliberate butts.Posted October 7, 2013 7:06 pm
Andre Ward vs Kessler. 20 odd head butts bust Kessler eyes and face with them. If you can stop an animal doing that to you, you do. Congrats Wlad p4p best he have.Posted October 7, 2013 7:01 pm
I have given Wlad all the credit he deserves for his many accomplishments and his rank as one of the ATGs, but Saturday’s display was absolutely repulsive. I pissed my wife off driving home like a mad-man from our sons college football game in order to catch the fight. She watched it with me and I was embarrassed for our sport! Even she was mad at the ref for not warning and taking points from Wlad. What makes it even worse is that Wlad could of easily looked impressive by dominating and KOing Povetkin in brilliant fashion if he would’ve stopped that holding and pushing down. There were so many things that I couldn’t believe about that fight. 1. I couldn’t believe Wlad did it that excessively every single round. 2. I couldn’t believe the ref never even warned him once. 3. I couldn’t believe Povetkin never complained to the ref once. 4. I couldn’t believe Povetkins corner never complained to the ref. 5. I couldn’t believe I was speeding home to watch that crap!Posted October 7, 2013 6:56 pm
When you point out all of wlad… defences, hecreally foes have a really good resume. He fouled way to much in his recent fight and I have never seen klit… fight like that b4. Throw n povk.. down,pushing, I think I saw a forarm or a elbow throw aswell. Maybe in russia you can do whatever you want. I though for a min… wlad was going to knee alexander and or kick him in the face lol. Russian fans would have oved it and the ref would have just gave a warning. Okay wladmir, you just kicked povekins front teeth out, im not going to warn you again.Posted October 7, 2013 6:53 pm
Wladimir at 242 had 16 pounds on Povetkin.. Wladimir frequently gives up MORE than that to his opponent.
Wladimir gave up 26 pounds to the massive Jameel McCline… and gave up reach, height, weight, and age to Mariuze Wach and Derrick Jefferson.
There wasn’t much clinching in those fights because Jefferson, McCline, and Wach didn’t come in with their heads down like Povetkin did… They weren’t extremely dangerous, and Povetkin was almost as dangerous as Haye.Posted October 7, 2013 6:53 pm
It`s actually a form of backhanded respect when people start to wail away about your style.
To someone like Wlad, or Mayweather or Ward, the first and most important thing is to win.
They have all perfected various forms of technical fighting which are allowing them to win fights that aren`t particularly entertaining for the most part.
This then leads neutral fans or at least not fans of the boxer in particular to in effect say “We KNOW you can win, we can see that you have this great talent, now use it to create something brutally beautiful”.
Some fighters leap on that idea and some say “No, I have too much respect for my opponent, I will just keep trying to win”.
There is an argument for both ways of doing things. The cautious respectful approach gives you the stats, and when people never actually find out where your edge lies they will vary greatly in where they believe it is. That approach isn`t what movies get made about, and they don`t stir the soul.
I think that is just what I have to accept with Wlad, I am not watching a soul-stirring fighter, who adapts, and see-saws and surprises. What I am watching is a very technical, but not varied beast of a puncher with a jab so good it wins fights on it`s own.
As Klitschko get older and his powers wane are we to expect MORE of this from him? When the jab slows and guys begin finding him will this become the standard for his contests?? The man has been doing some version of for years at 37 has he decided he’s NOT taking another headshot no matter the cost ie slamming guys and bending them over like this is the reenactment of a jailhouse rape? Even Old Hopkins who can use veteran tactics NEVER spent an entire evening on another fighters back like a tortoise trying to mate!! He also did NOT have 30 pounds of muscle mass on his foes! The mans 48 he should be getting checked for prostate cancer NOT boxing professionally…. That fight will be one of the BIG regrets of Klits career, he had chance to shine and show his best against a VERY beatable yet able opponent and he produced a contest that acted as repellent for the HW divisionPosted October 7, 2013 6:39 pm
You’re right on one count dwc… K’s are easily the most underrated heavies.
Vitali Klitschko has 45 wins in 47 fights.. Never behind on points.. Never knocked down.. 42 years old and still Heavyweight Champion.. Lost only on severe cuts, and because of a shoulder injury—but ahead on points both times… Beat Juan Carlos Gomez, 44-1… Tomasz Adamek 44-1… Chris Arreola 28-0… Manuel Charr 21-0… Larry Donald 39-2… Herbie Hide 31-1… Timo Hoffman 22-0… Vaughn Bean 42-2… Kirk Johnson 34-1… Corrie Sanders 39-2…Sam Peter 30-1… and Albert Sosnowski 45-2…
Wladimir Klitschko has 61 wins in 64 fights.. Only behind on points only once to Corrie Sanders.. Beat Lamon Brewster easily in rematch.. Beat David Haye, Alexander Povetkin, Sam Peter, Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagaev, Lamon Brewster, and Hasim Rahman.Posted October 7, 2013 6:35 pm
The P.E.D Police
Haymon is famous for getting boxers the largest amount of money with the smallest amount of risk. This may be good to hear if you are a boxer or even a promoter, but it drives boxing fans crazy! Introducing a foe, Haymon makes them look more dangerous than what they really are and makes it seem like they have a good chance of winning. But in reality, it’s more of a set up.Posted October 7, 2013 6:22 pm
The P.E.D Police
Tarver and Berto are Haymon fighters tooPosted October 7, 2013 6:20 pm
The P.E.D Police
Andre Ward – on Conte’s juice, got really uncomfortable when asked whether he was up for VADA testing.
Floyd Mayweather – failed 3 tests, Haymon fighterPosted October 7, 2013 6:18 pm
All the baseless red herring arguments in the World cannot shift the focus away from Wlads ludicrous tactics the other night… I rarely have waded in so strongly on his leaning and clinching but the man got away with MURDER the other night and turned off PLENTY of casual observers who unlike is hardcore nutcases are NOT gonna go the extra mile and view him or any of these other no name HW’s on EPIX or YouTube…
Demon= delusional. Come on we all saw the fight. Wk’s main offense was lean and headlock. He even did with any punches he just measured and than grabbed and leaned. I think this fight makes Hayes strategy look a lot better.Posted October 7, 2013 6:04 pm
Why is this thread talking about peds. This is about WK cheating tactics. He looks like a roided athlete but that’s not the point here. He wins by being allowed to cheat in the ring!Posted October 7, 2013 6:00 pm
The k-bros. the most overrated and the most underrated heavyweights in boxing history…Posted October 7, 2013 5:53 pm
I recall Povetkin bending below the waist repeatedley to avoid getting pummeled by Huck in their fight…Posted October 7, 2013 5:43 pm
There you have it folks ; the gospel according to Sredmond /Supreme Clown ;
hookoffthejab.., “The Tyson that rained supreme during the mid to late 80s James Tillis, Jesse Ferguson, Mitch Green and Marvis Frazier.James Smith ,Trevor Berbick , Pinklon Thomas ,Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes , Michael Spinks”
None of those guys had what it takes to beat Tyson… Buster Douglas was very big, tall, fast, skilled, could fight inside and outside, had a body attack, had every weapon in any arsenal, had a defense, was 6’4″ X 232…
That’s what it took to beat the pre-prison Tyson—but everybody knows Douglas wasn’t as good as the Klitschko Bros.Posted October 7, 2013 5:36 pm
It made me sick to my stomach to watch a big guy fight so scaredPosted October 7, 2013 5:25 pm
Thanks for the acknowledgment ReemPosted October 7, 2013 5:12 pm
Tark……………The Tyson that rained supreme during the mid to late 80s James Tillis, Jesse Ferguson, Mitch Green and Marvis Frazier.James Smith ,Trevor Berbick , Pinklon Thomas ,Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes , Michael Spinks ……….before he went off the rails ………..Posted October 7, 2013 5:07 pm
wow I got blocked again.Posted October 7, 2013 5:06 pm
Holding? Was he just holding? No. He was forcing the man down with his forearm and literally jumping onto his back forcing him to carry his weight. Same thing he did to Haye. It is an obvious cheat tactic. He should get warned, penalized, and eventually disqualified if it continued. Just like any other fighter.
It was a sad day in HW Boxing.Posted October 7, 2013 4:58 pm
And we know he is still champPosted October 7, 2013 4:55 pm
Old Yank.., Povetkin didn’t try to butt Wladimir. He came in with his head down. When a short guy with a big left hook does that you have to grab him if you don’t want to get smashed in the head. Ali did the same thing to Frazier in their 2nd fight.
In both fights the referee didn’t do his job… You take what the referee gives you because they all call a fight differently.
You’re just angry because you bet big bucks on Povetkin. Now you’ll tell me you were a genius because you sold your ticket.Posted October 7, 2013 4:54 pm
Great observation Boxing InsiderPosted October 7, 2013 4:33 pm
Povetkin did not come in head first at Klitschko’s balls — it is an utterly foolish thing to say. Even suggesting that one observed it is nonsense. Povetkin came in low — looking to force Klitschko to throw his jab more down than straight. It was a good strategy for getting inside. It got him inside. Once low and inside Klitschko wrestled Povetkin — even wrestled him to the ground! Of course Povetkin came in too low at times; but let’s get real. The amount of laying on Povetkin’s back that Klitschko did was pathetic! Absolutely pathetic.
If Povetkin was looking to billy-goat Klitschko’s balls then the ref should have called it. When Klitschko layed on Povetkin’s back the ref shoul dhave called it.
It was a PATHETIC heavyweight bout and if all of boxing looked like this the sport would be dead inside a month!Posted October 7, 2013 4:23 pm
yes absolutely ban him for lifePosted October 7, 2013 4:23 pm
I’m actually almost certain that since the fight was in Russia (and especially since Povetkin is not only a personal friend of Putin, but also a is a member of a right-wing Russian political party) and since his was only tested by the Russian drug control, I’ve next to no doubt in my mind that Povetkin that night was juiced up to his eyeballs on PEDS. I mean c’mon, the tempo he fought at from start to finish (when he JACKED against both Chagaev and Huck Badly down the stretch). The fact that he came out into the 8th round totally recharged and nearly won it, after being pummeled badly in the previous round. It reminded me a bit of the Wach fight, who was also later found out have juiced up of course. Wach was pummelled, but didn’t budge. I mean c’mon, NO WAY would the Russian drug testing team find anything there, on the contrary, I’ve no doubt he was given a green light to PED up to the nines. That makes Wlad’s victory even more impressive to me.Posted October 7, 2013 4:04 pm
If i never see that bum fight again it will be too soon. I know cheerleaders that dont hug that muchPosted October 7, 2013 4:02 pm
Should have been disqualified for being boringPosted October 7, 2013 3:43 pm
PEDS IN AMERICAN BOXING WHAT A SURPRISE.Posted October 7, 2013 3:29 pm
The P.E.D Police
Floyd wants to clean up the sport but he 2 members of his team are PED cheats, at least 3 of his promoter’s fighters have tested positive, one of whom had their test results mysteriously destroyed for know reason. The Magic Man was told in no uncertain terms that the Broner fight would not take place if he insisted on VADA testing. And Floyd himself has tested positive 3 times. You do the mathPosted October 7, 2013 3:21 pm
never knew there were so many window lickers in russia.Posted October 7, 2013 3:21 pm
Yes! Absolutely terrible performance for a Heavyweight Champion. Holding, elbows, pushing down and throwing his opponent to the ground! I stopped watching about round 8.Posted October 7, 2013 3:19 pm
The P.E.D Police
Mickey Bey – member of The Money Team
The P.E.D Police
Can you read?
Can you put 2 and put together?
Referencing that issue, Dan Rafael stated during a November 21, 2012, online chat, “I need to see proof before I accuse somebody of something so serious. What is fact, however, is that the settlement in the Pacquiao-Mayweather lawsuit happened after the Pacquiao camp tried to get Mayweather’s USADA testing records. So maybe where there is smoke there is fire.”Posted October 7, 2013 3:07 pm
which k brother was it that was on the juice.Posted October 7, 2013 3:06 pm
No he is not the best Heavy ever. Holyfield would handle Wlad and stop him. In Holyfields prime there was no holding him and nothing happening. You held Holyfield you where still getting hit. Holyfield didn’t hold, he attacked. A prime Holyfield would of handled WladPosted October 7, 2013 3:06 pm
It a rumor, hear say. Everybody has read that article. He says it is a rumor because like what Pac did he would get taken to court. Rumors are exactly that Rumors. Just like when Atlas said he heard a rumor that someone on Pacs team sent an email saying what would happen if Pac did come up dirty in the random testing. But that all it was, a rumor.Posted October 7, 2013 3:04 pm
Igor Sergeyivich Kholakovkokhskyov
Wladimir Klitschko best heavyweight champion ever. He KO Wilder in 2 rounds!!Posted October 7, 2013 3:03 pm
This just in: Klitschko defends title again dominating #1 contender! Another defense on a historic title run! True dat.Posted October 7, 2013 3:00 pm
A record that had three failed tests on it.Posted October 7, 2013 3:00 pm
So basically Floyd completely retracted his baseless steroid accusations as soon as Pacquiao’s legal team asked him to produce his USADA testing record.Posted October 7, 2013 2:59 pm
n August of this year, Rodriguez signed with manager Al Haymon. At least three of Haymon’s fghters (Andre Berto, Antonio Tarver, and J’Leon Love) have tested positive for PEDs in the past.
Another Haymon fighter (Peter Quillin) was enrolled in a USADA testing program prior to his June 2, 2012, fight against Winky Wright. Then, after blood and urine samples were taken from both fighters, Wright was told that the testing had been abandoned and the samples were destroyed.
Haymon also represents Adrien Broner.
Broner, Antonio DeMarco, Golden Boy (Broner’s promoter), and the United States Anti-Doping Agency signed a contract for USADA testing prior to the November 17, 2012, Broner-DeMarco fight. But according to DeMarco, he wasn’t tested by USADA for that bout, nor was Broner.
Then, on June 22, 2013, Broner fought Paulie Malignaggi.
“I wanted VADA testing,” Malignaggi recalls. “And I was told, ‘No, we won’t do VADA. If you insist on VADA, there won’t be a fight.’ Finally, I said, ‘F— it. I’m getting seven figures. I’ll go ahead and fight.’ Would I have been more confident that Broner was clean if there had been VADA testing? Absolutely.”
Haymon’s flagship fighter, of course, is Floyd Mayweather.
On June 24, 2013, at a media sitdown before the kick-off press conference for Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez, Leonard Ellerbe (CEO of Mayweather Promotions) told reporters, “We’ve put in place a mechanism where all Mayweather Promotions fighters will do mandatory blood and urine testing 365-24-7 by USADA.”
USADA declined a request from this writer for comment on the truth of Ellerbe’s contention. Al Haymon also declined comment for this article. And questions remain regarding the issue of whether or not, several years ago, Mayweather “A” samples tested positive on three occasions.
Referencing that issue, Dan Rafael stated during a November 21, 2012, online chat, “I need to see proof before I accuse somebody of something so serious. What is fact, however, is that the settlement in the Pacquiao-Mayweather lawsuit happened after the Pacquiao camp tried to get Mayweather’s USADA testing records. So maybe where there is smoke there is fire.”
So here’s a suggestion. Why doesn’t Floyd Mayweather enroll in VADA’s 24-7-365 program? And let him state publicly, “Any fighter who wants to be eligible to fight me must enroll in VADA’s 24-7-365 program NOW.”Posted October 7, 2013 2:57 pm
Did a boxing match break out between Klitschko and Povetkin? If it did I missed it? I saw a wrestling match that was a disgrace to the sport of boxing. It does not get more real than this: If you cannot defend yourself without wrestling then you should be disqualified from boxing!Posted October 7, 2013 2:54 pm
PRP #1: youtube.com/watch?v=CD0CbeFu4FIPosted October 7, 2013 2:49 pm
And explicitlyPosted October 7, 2013 2:49 pm
boxing today is like music today,all hype no class.Posted October 7, 2013 2:48 pm
As part of the settlement, the Mayweathers and Mayweather Promotions issued a statement that read: “Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”
Floyd and co have implicitly implied Pacquiao was on performance enhancing drugs on a number of occasions.Posted October 7, 2013 2:47 pm
“On May 20, 2012, a rumor filtered through the drug-testing community that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug.
More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights).
In late-May, Pacquiao’s attorneys heard the rumor. On June 4, 2012, they served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy and USADA calling for the production of all documents that related to PED testing of Mayweather for the Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto fights.
The documents were not produced. There was a delay in the proceedings while Floyd spent nine weeks in the Clark County Detention Center after pleading guilty to charges of domestic violence and harassment. Upon his release from jail on August 2nd, settlement talks heated up.
On September 25, 2012, a stipulation of settlement ending the defamation case was filed with the court. The parties agreed that the terms of settlement would be kept confidential. Prior to the agreement being signed, two sources with detailed knowledge of the proceedings told this writer that Mayweather’s initial monetary settlement offer was “substantially more” than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected it would be and an agreement in principle was reached soon afterward.
As part of the settlement, the Mayweathers and Mayweather Promotions issued a statement that read: “Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”
I don’t know if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs or not.
I do know that, if Mayweather’s “A” sample tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug on one or more occasions and he was given a waiver by USADA that concealed this fact from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his opponent and the public, we have an ingredient that could contribute to the making of a scandal.”Posted October 7, 2013 2:44 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
I agree Turd, I’ve never seen Pov get thrown down either…Posted October 7, 2013 2:42 pm
Floyd doesn’t take PED’s and he fights clean.Posted October 7, 2013 2:41 pm
The fight was in Russia.., The important thing was to knock Povetkin out… Failing a KO over Povetkin—who had never been floored in his life before— the important thing was to win every single round by one means or another… The K’s were afraid of funny business, for which Boxing is famous.
It takes 2 to fight — and Povetkin didn’t fight.Posted October 7, 2013 2:32 pm
and to think some retards on here think these klits are great fighters,whats next fury”s a great singer.Posted October 7, 2013 2:28 pm
A lot of the clinches weren’t initiated by Wlad. When he dropped povetkin the clinched didn’t look any different than most of the ones earlier or later. An Wlad was trying to finish the fight when he got the 3 knock downs. Also when they did clinch the announcers whined about Wlad throwing an uppercut when usually they say “he should work on the inside”. Also povetkins punches to the body inside were okay.Posted October 7, 2013 2:27 pm
Someone below stated that Floyd is a GREAT sportsman. Very true. After he wins. Sucker punches, PED accusations, elbowing, holding…all part of the game baby!Posted October 7, 2013 2:24 pm
True about Bhop & Ward. Slimes. Klitsko is not normally like that but the ref allowed him to fight like a wimp…and he took the easy way home.Posted October 7, 2013 2:20 pm
Bernard Hopkins and Andre Ward are the dirtiest fighters in the entire sport. Go see if you can find a single post of his where he criticizes them for being dirt or cheating. I promise you you won’t find one no matter how long and hard you look.Posted October 7, 2013 2:16 pm
SO THIS IS WHAT HW BOXING HAS COME TO.Posted October 7, 2013 2:11 pm
Floyd’s post-fight interviews are cringeworthy. His pretensions of Mr Classy are as transparent as your idiocy.
This is Floyd being classy. The real Floyd.
“I’m on vacation for about a year, about a year,” Mayweather said. “As soon as we come off vacation, we’re going to cook that little yellow chump. We ain’t worried about that. So they ain’t gotta worry about me fighting the midget. Once I kick the midget ass, I don’t want you all to jump on my d—. So you all better get on the bandwagon now. … Once I stomp the midget, I’ll make that mother f—– make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice.”Posted October 7, 2013 2:09 pm
Heres what I don’t get. Wlad has fought nothing but bad opponents right, but I constantly here if he was gone the division would be good again. So if he was to retire those bad fighters would instantly become good contenders.Posted October 7, 2013 2:08 pm
Hidalgo, they wanna play the “Race Game” in order to shame compliance, silence or muddy the waters… The fact is that the Klit legacy is gonna be associated with the DEATH of the HW division it’s like a BAD Presidency (George Bush) the country/division slumped under YOUR administration… The Klits are not bad guys nor saints but they have been in too. Many BAD fights against too many BAD OPPONENTS…. Klits last bout stamped him as someone NOT worth watching…Posted October 7, 2013 2:04 pm
Glad i didnt tune in ….. clinch-fest by all accounts.Posted October 7, 2013 1:58 pm
Ridiculous COMMENT Floyd Mayweather is a GREAT SPORTSMAN and always gives credit and respect to his opponent… He treated Canelo like a prodigal son after schooling him for 12 rounds… He called Cotto a legend and even after Ortiz butted him like a Goat and Floyd flattened him he came over and wished the kid well… Mayweather is the James Bond of boxing when in the ring it’s ALL business but if you make a mistake you WILL pay…Posted October 7, 2013 1:58 pm
Then DQ Joe Cortez for missing the Sunday Punch by Mayweather on Ortiz.
No DQ for Wlad…………..DQ the Referee Luis Pabon…………..Posted October 7, 2013 1:47 pm
And I ask again why is it that the other big fighters aren’t enjoying this size advantage. Klits aren’t the only giants in the division.Posted October 7, 2013 1:46 pm
the sad truth is that there is nobody in the heavyweight landscape right now who are capable of beating the Klits although i would give Haye a fair chance of beating Vitali he is definitely on the decline. It looks like this division is doomed to mediocrity just as well we have a vibrant welter weight and middle weigh, super middle division. The Klits are bad for boxing nobody want to see a 7 ft tall man jab and lean and hold his way to a points win. its not a once off this is his formula for winning and it is brutally effective. The problem is its not boxing as we know and love its a sideshow of boxing and does not deserve to be televised.
And he is still champ. Who’s gonna beat him?Posted October 7, 2013 1:43 pm
Try to write a comprehensive post repudiating some of the truly silly but hateful slander on this site , and you will invariably be cancelled on the pretext that you are posting too fast , Yet , habitual haters and liars like; Supreme Court and Sredemond , posting a post a minute , nothing but
No doubt the fight was horrible to watch but I have to give Povetkin a ton of credit for the heart that he showed. Povetkin put 100 times more pressure on Kilt than anyone since Sam Peter, David Haye was a pitiful joke in comparison. Sure Povetkin was ineffective but he kept trying which is a lot more than the other horrible opponents of Wlads can say.
Could you imagine Wlad vs Fury?? The battle of the leaners.Posted October 7, 2013 1:31 pm
HaHa the Klit fans are desperately hurling accusations because Wlads woeful, foul filled, spoiler performance left them in an indefensible position.Those who respect the TRUTH we have them BENT OVER and biting the pillow…It brings me no joy to have to deride the HW division so forcefully but as our sport fights for its life we cannot turn a blind eye to the issues…Thankfully we have Superstars like Mayweather, Pacquaio and Cotto carrying the load till HW has some new life breathes into it and the STINK of Saturdays bout abates… Thes Klit attack dogs have been kept under foot before and they will languish there till he’ll freezes over of the Klits produce some bouts worth watching… I remember the fraud Price was being heralded as a future HOFer who was gonna provide a vehicle of one of the Kbros to get a serious win on his ledger, instead Price was capped 2x by a SLOPPY OLD Tony Thompson, same was tried with Helenis who is another overhyped nope who has been exposed..We are on to you, We see you and you will be rooted out and handled when your rhetoric strays outside the bounds of sanity…Posted October 7, 2013 1:23 pm
I didn’t see Povetkin complaining too much about the holding. In fact, he seemed to prefer that over being punched in the face. Can you imagine Wlad doing that to a guy like Holifield? He would have been head butted and elbowed to death.Posted October 7, 2013 1:03 pm
Peace to all menPosted October 7, 2013 1:01 pm
K2 Fan great post!!!!!!!!!!!Posted October 7, 2013 12:54 pm
As long as ducking low and elbows in Klitschko’s face lead to a disqualification of Povetkin, too, I’m fine with it. But don’t be blind one eye because of hatred.Posted October 7, 2013 12:52 pm
Give credit to Wladamir. The guy is a beast and will retire as champion with his brother. Just too good for their own good I am afraid. Not their fault they are the best. He does his best to handicap himself when he fights with one hand lot’s of times. I heard he get paid more by the rounds he does. How good is that? He is unstoppable.Posted October 7, 2013 12:50 pm
Hell, when he KOed Brock in NY, well who is Brock but just another Bum.Posted October 7, 2013 12:47 pm
And that might be the thing to, Wlad may not give a f#$k about what anybody thinks about his fights. If he had KOed Pov in 7 he wouldn’t of got no credit the division is weak. He beat the hell out of Wach , well you should of KOed him. Beat Peter and Brewster in rematches, well they weren’t the same. Stopped Thompson twice , oh he is a bum and so on and so on. Maybe he is like deal with it , Im the Champ, send someone to beat me.Posted October 7, 2013 12:46 pm
Tachyon, I agree the Klits seem like cool guys outside the ring I mean they let Chisora smack Vitali and spit water in Wlads face without reprisal I woulda choked him were I in their position… But this is boxing and often nice guys finish last… Their performances in the ring just don’t inspire real passion and the other night inspired revulsion!!! Wlad needs more Calvin Brock type KOs to mitigate the stench of stinkers like the other night…Posted October 7, 2013 12:45 pm
LIKE SOMEONE SAID,HW BOXING” BEEN IN THE TOILET FOR 20 YEARS.Posted October 7, 2013 12:42 pm
To all the naysayers and ” critics ” like ; Sredmond , Nameless/Brainless, Doc , Earnie and others of that ilk , I wish to remind them about their argument conserning the Vitaly / Lewis fight . Their collective argument was that even
Tyson’s character or prison record are not on trial here he is and always will be 100000 times more popular than the Klits because at his peak he was ferocious and brutal… He was also a SMALL HW exhibiting these qualities… The Klits are physical specimens yet often fight like they are afraid of the Big Bad Wolf… Images of a BIGGER man showing nerves are not well received by the public hence North America taking a pass on this era of boxing… Lamon Brewster showed heart dealing with Wlads heavy shots long enough to land his own and take Klits heart in the process…!! The Klits have NEVER beat a bully, they play it safe absent Vitali going for broke against Lewis (in vain) even then the elder Klit wanted to grind down Lewis like he was the FAR smaller Adamek as opposed to saying this guy is wrecking my face and this is not gonna go on much longer so I’m gonna throw the kitchen sink and get knocked out out if need be…. Nooooooo Klits was crying about scorecards and winning and unwind able decision under the circumstance, he was NOT getting 6 more rounds with that eye and his methodical approach along with Lewis right hand got him TKOed along with a Gift Basket containing 60 stitches courtesy of Lennox Lewis…Posted October 7, 2013 12:36 pm
And so, klutchko – Pulev 2014 please?Posted October 7, 2013 12:34 pm
@SREDMOND well saidPosted October 7, 2013 12:31 pm
if anyone watches a klit fight, he must be a window licker.Posted October 7, 2013 12:30 pm
As I stated before after Sanders blasted Wlad and Brewster destroyed him Wlad became a larger version of Johnny Ruiz punch hug, hug punch. Boring snooz fest so lame even HBO got tired of airing his fights. Now outside the ring and business side both Klits have done a great job and made lots of money. I like them outside the ring and how they conduct themselves inside the ring both klits are a bore.Posted October 7, 2013 12:29 pm
I just had an incredible steak sandwich just now. Phew it was off the charts. Food for champions is a good solid fillet steak. Did hairy beaver get some of the KFC gangster hahaha. I be leaving shortly to go to the gym. I will see you all again in the near future. Lay off that KFC now “GANGSTERS” hahahahahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 12:26 pm
@jake No man i wont miss them. They take the skill and grace out of boxing and make it ugly while making millions off it. Its not good for boxing. Id rather see a bum like Fury as heavyweight champion and least then it would be entertaining watching him get knocked out!Posted October 7, 2013 12:25 pm
The Klits have made HW boxing MORE BORING and LESS POPULAR THAN EVER, they did not do it alone, cowardly challengers of dubious quality and dull personas have added to the cancer that has consumed what’s left of the HW division!! A so called Unification match was fought on the undercard of a 154 pound former champion looking to regain his form after back to back losses… When the hell would Mike Tyson be showcased in such a lowly manner at his peak? Lewis or Holyfield? Wlad gets little respect and did himself NO favors with his performance on US Cable… Tyson certainly brought excitement and danger to the HW division which are crucial elements… What did Wlad bring the other night? A blueprint on how to HUG another man into submission? Why not watch Brokeback Mountain if that’s your thing..!! No one cares about those PHDs we wanna see action and ring violence, if Wlad could not read or spell I’d watch him if he offered excitement…!Posted October 7, 2013 12:24 pm
Best steel hammer jab in the history of the sport: //fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1382255_10151674445220205_1216236851_n.jpgPosted October 7, 2013 12:23 pm
No one is going to miss the clinch master who clinches as many times as he throws a right hand, no one who knows what true boxing is.Posted October 7, 2013 12:19 pm
Beaver, next time one of the Klits fight you’ll be watching, if only to see one lose by freak accident. They’re always in shape, always dominate, and are phenomenal businessmen. I understand why some people don’t like to see them fight, because the fights are always one-sided. They’ll be missed after they retire as champions.Posted October 7, 2013 12:16 pm
Kclinchko just clinched the sh.. out Povetkin, and those knockdowns were bogus besides the one in the third round. I thought I was watching a UFC match. Wlad the Octopus Kclinchko has just won himself a lot of snoozefest fans in Bears and Square Circus.Posted October 7, 2013 12:10 pm
The whole division might as well be bums.Posted October 7, 2013 12:09 pm
those klit bros have sure beat some great fighters lately, roll out the next big bum.Posted October 7, 2013 12:08 pm
You eating some KFC now ))))Posted October 7, 2013 12:07 pm
@ demon ok little girl go back to klit poster and masterbate gain and i will cut and paste all your idiot comment again so everybody can laugh at you:)Posted October 7, 2013 12:06 pm
hairy beaver have you not been schooled enough for one day hahahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 12:04 pm
School time is nearing the end. I have a steak sandwich on the way. Here is an idea after I have schooled you again. For you rapist and junkies lover never watch Klit fight again leave that to me and you watch floyd run around the ring claim a points wins and claim he is the best of all time. Don’t remember last time Floyd had a legit KO.Posted October 7, 2013 12:02 pm
Demon you stupid stupid sub moron female rape victim. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOXING. Boxing? You know when men box not nut huh each other? You do know what nut hugging is right? You do it to Klit everyday its that thing you do ye?Posted October 7, 2013 12:01 pm
And he was dirty as they come and clearly jacked up on steroids.Posted October 7, 2013 12:00 pm
What a steel hammer jab. Best jab in the history of the sportPosted October 7, 2013 11:59 am
Wlad made 18 mil and didn’t lose a round and folks are just hating. Has to be one of the greatest!!!Posted October 7, 2013 11:58 am
We have people here trying to pit together an argument to defend a rapist junkie hahaha.Posted October 7, 2013 11:56 am
i thought wlad got a blow job on saturday.Posted October 7, 2013 11:56 am
Tyson is a convicted rapist junkie and his name does not deserve to be mentioned with the Klits. The Klits should apologize for been so good should they. Should they let guys tee off on them for a few rounds to make it more interesting for you? They don’t lose rounds rarely get hit so people call them boring. I call them the most perfect boxing machines ever seen in the heavyweight division ever. Ohh they should apologize for not having brain damage when they retire and look to run their country while Tyson and Floyd are making snuff movies with James Tones.Posted October 7, 2013 11:54 am
LOL //fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1382255_10151674445220205_1216236851_n.jpgPosted October 7, 2013 11:53 am
yes no means no…. but you keep on about an innocent girl… which she was not… and 18 isn’t a girl.. at that age she is a young woman!!Posted October 7, 2013 11:51 am
Demon why are you so brain dead? Is i because you are female? You are definitely female haha very sad have you been raped before or something hahaha? Wake up this was explained already. Yes tyson was a rapist and a scum bag but we are talking about boxing once again you dont get it. The point is Tyson was exciting in the ring and the klits are boring. End of story.Posted October 7, 2013 11:50 am
Demon – Again “she gave him a blow job….. public records and her statement admit this”. now this is a fact… please look it up.Posted October 7, 2013 11:49 am
No means no rapistPosted October 7, 2013 11:48 am
You can trap and rape an 18 yr old child in a bedroom when you are the heavyweight champion. But Karma is going to bury you after and did. And I sure will againPosted October 7, 2013 11:48 am
Demon – that why she gave him a blow job….. public records and her statement admit this… so where is this innocent girl you keep talking about???Posted October 7, 2013 11:47 am
I still say he carried Pov for 12 rounds , and LL echoed those same thoughts. Just don’t know why though.Posted October 7, 2013 11:47 am
Danny Williams, Kevin Mc Bride, Holyfield twice Buster Douglas made Tyson quit.Posted October 7, 2013 11:46 am
beaver – you can lead a horse to water but you can make it drink….. and you my friend are flogging a dead horse.Posted October 7, 2013 11:45 am
Tyson ruined a poor young girl by raping her senseless in a hotel bedroom. Karma waited for Tyson and took his daughter like he took that girls innocence away for ever. Don’t mess with Karma.Posted October 7, 2013 11:44 am
To be a world champion take more than 36 minutes in the ring. It’s the dedication you must show for your graft outside the gym. the hard work is done in the gym. Not raping little girls in hotel bedroomsPosted October 7, 2013 11:42 am
Excuses are like what? Whose fault was that he was out of shape and a fat mess.Posted October 7, 2013 11:40 am
If a heavyweight champion can’t be bothered getting into shape to defend his belt he is nothing but a disgrace. But the likes of Tyson will have their rentboys running after them because they see themselves as the dirt he was and is.Posted October 7, 2013 11:40 am
SO THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU MUPPETS CALL A GREAT HW.Posted October 7, 2013 11:38 am
@matthews Everyone knows he was a fat mess in that fight totally out of shape and didnt train but he gave the public a hugely entertaining fight with all sorts of drama. Compare a Klit fight. jab, jab lean, jab jab right hand, lean, jab , jab push, lean chock lol. Boring! What your point exactly? Im not a kliit or tyson nuthugger im just saying the Klits are boring and theres no way they should be televised.Posted October 7, 2013 11:36 am
Carl Pratt you left out the fact Ortiz had just intentional head butted Mayweather. Ortiz should have been DQed before he got knocked out.Posted October 7, 2013 11:34 am
Not only is he a blatant cheat, but Wladimir is the worst heavyweight champ I have seen in over 35 years watching boxing. He operates in an all-time-low for talent yet he has to break the rules in every round in order to win. He is a terrible plague that has cursed the heavyweight division for too long. The refs clearly won’t do anything aboutit, so I’m glad to see a reporter finally speak up about his cheating in the ring.Posted October 7, 2013 11:33 am
Oh and was Tyson in his prime when Douglas taxed that ass. Douglas got his own video game and all for it lol.Posted October 7, 2013 11:28 am
Mayweather drops a Sunday Punch on Ortiz as referee Joe Cortez looks on in awe and does nothing. BWAAAAAHAHAHA HAAHAAAAA
Duran punches Ken Buchanan in the balls and gets away with it…60 secs.
Ali lays on the ropes like a dope and calls it The Rope-a-Dope… nothing
Larry Holmes thumbs Scott Ledoux in the eye………nothing
Ali lays on Joe Frazier and holds all night long………..nothing
and on and on and on………….Posted October 7, 2013 11:26 am
Purrity didn’t start nothing. Wlad was destroying people after that Purrity bout. Sanders was the end all be all. That Brewster fiasco just added to it.Posted October 7, 2013 11:26 am
What did the Klits do for boxing? They kicked Don King out of heavyweight boxing. They brought respect and humility back for the champion. They took out the garbage and beat everyone in sight. They have a whole era named after themselves bacause they are so good. When asked by reporters wwould they beat xyz of different era’s they respectably say no way of telling and we respect former champions to much to say we would. Now compare that with Tyson. Claims to be one of the best ever. Lucky to make top 50. Convicted rapist junkie. Look at Floyd picking and choosing who he fights. Refused to fight Manny the only guy to test him. Jailed for beating his baby’s mama. Calls himself HOFR when he refused to fight the best of his time. Floyd would not lace Wlad or Vitali’s shoes. They are gentlemen and living legends. In the case of Vitali he is fighting a bigger battle to save his country from crooks. What do the likes of Floyd and Tyson do. They sell their circus to the highest bidder. Real puke and zero class. The Klits give millions to their home in Africa while Tyson and Floyd just line their own pockets. FilthPosted October 7, 2013 11:21 am
Wake up you American fools….UKRAINE beating RUSSIA in boxing is bigger to the Klischko than the WBA belt.Posted October 7, 2013 11:20 am
Matthews then WHY after Brewster did Vitali ask Wlad to RETIRE he said “Its hard seeing your younger brother get hit and have to go to the hospital”….This was a DOCUMENTED source of friction between the Klits bros after Wlad was stopped 2x in 5 fights by guys he was supposed to beat… Golfer Corrie Sanders did NOT start NOR did he finish the breaking down of Wlad psyche as it pertains to his taste for combat… Purrity started it and Brewster ended it, Sanders added to it in the middle while working on his Golf Swing….AGAIN Wlads very effective but no matter how wounded or overmatched he is still deathly afraid of hearing 1,2,3,4,5, How many fingers??? Remember that Wlad is NOT a guy who has a GREAT record of surviving adversity, of the 4X he was in REAL trouble he ONLY survived to win ONCE (Samuel Peter)…..Posted October 7, 2013 11:20 am
Refs fault…but that doesn’t change the fact that Wlad is one boring mofo, I mean, DAMN!!!! For those who think Floyd is boring (which I don’t), what do you think of Wlad?? He makes Floyd looks like an all action brawler.Posted October 7, 2013 11:18 am
Floyd is the Wlad of the smaller weights.
YUP!!!!!!!!!Posted October 7, 2013 11:16 am
During his first 45 fights Tyson lost what ONE time? Wlad was stopped 3x…. After Douglas upset him Tyson was effectively ended by 2 ATG’s Holyfield and Lennox Lewis….Vitali is certainly proven sturdy but TOO much of his reputation is derived from LOSING to Lennox Lewis and dropping a QUART of blood in the process… Mike Tyson UNFIED the division Vitali is a BELTHOLDER who’s best win in a boxing ring is the unremarkable Samuel Peter…. Tyson blew out some HOF fighters, who has Vitali beat? Klits certainly AGED better but the high points of his career don’t even begin to compare with Tysons… Vitali Klitschko has NEVER been really the BEST HW in boxing unless you wanna stroke your meager bone reflecting on him beating Danny Williams post Lewis retirement…Posted October 7, 2013 11:15 am
Did McBride beat in the ring? Yes he did. By the way Sanders was the only one that shook Wlads mental make up. Not Purrity and not Brewster.Posted October 7, 2013 11:10 am
Floyd is the Wlad of the smaller weights. Only difference is Wlad losses a round once every 4 or 5 fights. I have never seen a heavyweight lose so few rounds. Wlad has lost the same amount of rounds that Tyson has been sparked out. Wlad and Vitali don’t lose rounds.Posted October 7, 2013 11:07 am
Floyd and Wlad cannot be compared… Wlad Klits is a physical BEAST FAR bigger than his comp often and carrying the full responsibility of being HW Champ… He was endowed with MONSTER punching power something Floyd does NOT have… Technically Wlad Klitschko COULD NOT box on Mayweathers level if he were trained by Manny Steward for 1000 years… He has NO infighting ability and his arsenal is limited in comparision ie uppercuts etc… Wlads a jab, right hand, left hook fighter whereas Mayweather can do more things than can be listed absent a complete manual… Mayweather uses the shoulder roll defense to perfection whereas Wlad dives on opponents backs and CLINCHES even when he is getting the better of things… The technical brilliance of Floyd Mayweather is NOT dependent on being HUGE compared to your opponent, its based on unreal handspeed, reflexes, anticipation, balance and footwork… Wlad is a talented HW fighter who could have been more fan friendly but he lacks some essential elements….If Mayweather had Wlads one punch power coupled with his skill and speed his bouts would last about 2 rounds MAX….A 147 pound Wlad vs a 147 pound Mayweather results in Wlad looking like Robert Guerrero and thats REAL…Posted October 7, 2013 11:05 am
I read a lot. Of criticisms about Klit’ s performance, deservedly, but none for Luis Pabon . If Anyone should be disqualified it’s Pabon.Posted October 7, 2013 11:04 am
The idea that the rapist would last any longer than Herbie Hide against Vitali is laughable. The Klits have a way of dealing with nasty dark souls. They put them through the grinder. It’s Gods way of dealing with sick people. He gives them to the Klits to punishPosted October 7, 2013 11:03 am
BREAKING NEWS: Mayweather Sunday Punches Ortiz as Referee Joe Cortez looks on in horror and does nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!………………………….Duh ??Posted October 7, 2013 11:02 am
Ali , foreman, Lewis etc. All did this.but Wlad is taking the…Posted October 7, 2013 11:01 am
Yes!Posted October 7, 2013 11:00 am
If only Williams was working in that hotel the night when Tyson raped that poor child.Posted October 7, 2013 10:59 am
Tyson had his chance to fight Vitali. All Tyson had to do was beat a C grade fighter in Danny Williams. What happened was that Williams knocked Tyson around the ring for a few short rounds and battered Tyson. Williams reward was a fight with Vitali where he got destroyed and put down nearly 10 times. Now tell me again how wud Tyson do against Vitali hahahahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 10:58 am
Breaking News:………UKRAINE beats RUSSIA in Boxing……………………Posted October 7, 2013 10:57 am
—————Wlad kicked Povetkins butt for 12 rounds.———————-Posted October 7, 2013 10:56 am
not a good showing by Wlad and I am a fan. He should have had a point deducted earlier in the match.Posted October 7, 2013 10:55 am
Ukraine beating Russia is more important to Klits than winning the WBA Regular Belt. Where was Putin? HBO was kept in the dark. Now on to Rudy Lubbers.Posted October 7, 2013 10:55 am
@ Peej hahahahahahahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 10:54 am
No neither one will go down as the greatest Heavyweight ever. Holyfield would of handled Wlad and Foreman would of handled Vitali. Though Vitali is better than his brother in my opinion. They are both considered great heavies though with how long they have dominated.Posted October 7, 2013 10:53 am
Floyd is the Wlad of the smaller weights. Only difference is Wlad losses a round once every 4 or 5 fights. I have never seen a heavyweight lose so few rounds. Wlad has lost the same amount of rounds that Tyson has been sparked out.Posted October 7, 2013 10:53 am
The serious question that needs to be asked is will Wlad go down as the greatest heavyweight in history or will he come 2nd to his brother. For me it’s Vitali 1st and Wlad second.Posted October 7, 2013 10:51 am
There is NO legitimate comparision between the level of competition that the Klits fight vs Floyd Mayweather… Mayweather has fought more HOF fighters in the last 4 years than the Klits have COMBINED in the past 16 years and over 100 contests… Mayweather has faced something like 10 current or former Champs in a row SEVERAL of them multi-weight boxers and he has done this against guys who are COMPRABLY sized…. A guy spotting Mayweather an INCH is the subject of pity meanwhile Mayweather gave up 13 years and over 15 pounds to Canelo, he gave up 10 years and 14 pounds to Ortiz…. He gave up 4 years and 10 pounds to HOFER Miguel Cotto fight night…. Mayweather ONLY fights World Class opposition… Whereas Povetkin was the FIRST “World Class Boxer” in years that the Wlad has faced and Povetkin has been living off beating Chambers and an older Byrd for YEARS now… Recent history has been Rahman, Boswell and squeaking by Cruiser Marco Huck…. AGAIN the HW division is a BARREN wasteland whereas Mayweather is a “The Man” in 2 weight classes as we speak “WW and Jr MW” its and INSULT to compare his foes to those of the likes of Charr, Pianeta, Mormeck, Thompson and the likes….Posted October 7, 2013 10:50 am
He definitely should of been warned, then if he still did it then take points away then if he still did it then yeah disqualify him. That was ridiculous what he was doing. Wlad has no clue how to in fight. Povetkin should of been just whaling punches when Wlad did that and that would of definitely got the warnings that where needed. Also Povetkin should of been throwing those looping hooks to the body also. Wlad was always putting his arm up to block, he had an open shot to the body. That would of tired Wlad out.Posted October 7, 2013 10:34 am
Corrie Sanders, Ross Purrity and Lamon Brewster took something from Wlad that he has NEVER fully recovered and thats comfort with not being in FULL control…If he senses the slightest danger the man wants to hit the PAUSE button and if that means leaning all over his smaller opponent, clinching or tossing him to the ground then so be it! The mans anxiety at lack of order in the ring is palpable and the other night it was on FULL display, Povetkin was outgunned in EVERY category but he still was game enough to keep Klits nervous about getting that chin clipped… How did the TINY David Haye survive? did Haye dance away most of the evening? YES…. Did Wlad barrage him with punches or seek to overwhelm for most of the 12 rounds? NO…. A few winging shots per round were enough to keep Wlad content with landing the occasional shot and VERY cautiously stalking his smaller foe…Klits has found a way to win, and he will rightfully be enshrined in the HOF but he is NOT a Champ the likes of an Ali, Holmes, Louis or Lewis by ANY stretch of the imagination… Letting a fighter like Povetkin turn him into a clinching NUTCASE who defiled the ring with his tactic while standing damn near 7 feet tall… I would be surprised if HBO EVER airs one of his fights again for fear of turning off a BIGGER segment of boxing niche audience..Posted October 7, 2013 10:30 am
Ref was paid off. Klitsko would have stopped that tactic if the ref had forcefully warned him or deducted points. The guy saw an easy way to win and took it. Just like tagging and running. Easy money.Posted October 7, 2013 10:26 am
Should Wlladimir Klitschko have been disqualified for holding against Povetkin? No. Should the referee have called both boxers to the centre of the ring early in the bout and reminded both of them that this is a fight for the Heavyweight Championship of the World and therefore improve the quality of the action? Yes.Posted October 7, 2013 10:25 am
Yuck, yucker and yuckiest
Oh so NOW we are talking about disqualifying Wladimir? Hhahhahhah thats a joke. He’s stank up the division for years now and all you little Klit fans have done is make excuses for him after every fight. But then in his “defining” fight, when he craps all over the sport again, now you want to say that it was an ugly performance? Come on man, all he DOES is make the sport look bad. Him and his brother. What other champion in history fight twice (or once) a year, fought bums, fought outside the US, took steroids, refused to fight the other champion and yet paraded around like they were the best thing ever? Nobody.Posted October 7, 2013 10:20 am
It is a bit ironic that people have been calling Wlad “soft” for years, and now he fights this rough, dirty fight and they’re now calling him a cheater. Yes, the fight was ugly as hell and will not be on the highlight reel when Wlad is inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame. But he won. Furthermore, this will put pressure on future refs to penalize Wlad for what I feel is clearly an illegal action. No, not the clinching, but the pushing down on opponent’s necks and back. That should be addressed.Posted October 7, 2013 10:15 am
learn something new, champ. sidestep and hook, infight. Show us something new. You’re getting millions of euros. You have fans. Show something new, damn ….Posted October 7, 2013 10:10 am
ALi the Goat
Hidalgo aint right said “Tyson labored to a points win losing a few rounds along the way (Mitch Green, James Smith, Tony Tucker)”
All those 3 only came to survive and clinch to death for preventing the ko, Smith only land 1 punch during the whole fight and lost 11 rounds at least. Tyson had only 19 against the durable Green. Only Tucker did a little better, and Tucker was not a pushover, he had better skills than Wlald, at least he could learn Wlad how to throw the uppercut. Tucker would be the best opponent Wlad had ever face.
HaHaHa the BITTER Facists on ESB want a ONE PARTY system where despite a WIDELY panned performance and foul fest Wlad Klits is not subjected to appropriate scrutiny…Well that’s NOT gonna happen so consider killing yourself in order to mute the pain.. Wlad performed in a very unbecoming manner..I am SLOW to over discuss refs, that’s for the likes of BUMS like Tark, Bears and others to attempt to legislate victories their fighters did not earn… That said Wlad was a POOR representative of the HW division the other evening, thankfully he was NOT the main event on HBO we were treated to Miguel Cotto showing the spirit and character that has made him a 3 weight Champ and HOFer upon retirement.. Klitschko validated EVERY long term critique of himself the other night and I’m sure the late, great Manny Steward is rolling over in his grave after seeing that performance from heaven…Reality is that despite a long reign, great physical assets and plenty of victories there is a part of Wlad that has NEVER recovered from his humiliations at the hands of Purrity, Sanders and Brewster….Lewis was stopped 2x but remained a violent and malevolent force in the ring!!!! His last bout was against a YOUNGER and BIGGER boxer and despite some early trouble he won the slugfest and broke Vitalis face open like a can of Tuna…. Wlad on the other hand fights in mortal fear of getting his bell RERUNG AND would rather pollute HD TV with a Clinchfest than handle his business appropriately against an overmatched opponent… This will NEVER change, he’s 60 bouts into his career and 37…. That’s why they are calling him “Clinchko” all over the blogosphere and he has been all but banished from North America….Posted October 7, 2013 9:58 am
McBride,Williams, and Douglas beat him. Those future hall of famersPosted October 7, 2013 9:55 am
School is over girls. Keep dreaming about your rapist coke head hero hahahaPosted October 7, 2013 9:52 am
Dont forget the cruiserweights Haye and Mormeck,Posted October 7, 2013 9:45 am
noooo really moron? im surprised you Neanderthal brain actually figured that one out hahahaha well done!Posted October 7, 2013 9:45 am
You do know that beaver mean p^ssy right? hahahahahahahahahahahaahPosted October 7, 2013 9:41 am
hairy beaver how often do you think and wished you could had changed places with Mike’s rape victim and took it like a man for mike hahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 9:33 am
and i never said tyson would destroy klit i said if you read correct in which case you didnt because you have no brain was that Tyson vs Klit would play out like bonecruser smith a boring one sided points clinch snoozefest in which Klit runs like a girl and holds on for dear life in case he gets hit. Prime tyson wins no im done with you im bored now your a brain dead deluded sub moron.Posted October 7, 2013 9:32 am
Ahhh hairy beaver that all you got. Did you wack off to Tyson’s prison picture yet hahahahaha. Little nerdPosted October 7, 2013 9:29 am
how have i been schooled moron? I just listed your cringe worthy comments for all to see and you still delude yourself that your not a useless turd hahahaha go away moron actually lets rephrase that to sub moron. you actually have no brain.Posted October 7, 2013 9:27 am
hairy beaver tell me how great Tyson was again and how he would destroy the Klits hahahahahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 9:25 am
That all you got hairy beaver?? Wow. You have been schooled. New for you I guess as I am sure you have never been to school.Posted October 7, 2013 9:23 am
Demon you are a useless turd who should be flushed down the toilet where you belong and everybody knows itPosted October 7, 2013 9:21 am
“best there has ever been”….. at what hugging, holding or leaning on??Posted October 7, 2013 9:17 am
Don’t fret “gangsters”. You have Wilder the hooker beater on the way to save the world hahahahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 9:16 am
Somebody beating up everybody is boring. But enjoy it you are watching the best there has ever been.Posted October 7, 2013 9:14 am
Wlad is boring till you put him in with someone his own size who can move and hit back. Then it will be fun.Posted October 7, 2013 9:12 am
You got schooled hairy beaver. Away with you now child.Posted October 7, 2013 9:08 am
Beaver….your name wouldn’t happen to reference the female orifice, would it? By your same analogy….who has Floyd beat that may have been considered among the worlds best, possibly p4p, a badass in his owin right who was also in his PRIME?? Answer: Not One!! Don’t talk to me about fighters who had no losses, that by itself doesn’t make a great fighter as we have seen in Ortiz and Guerrero and many others. We’ve just seen that in Matthysee. Some of them had belts, but so what, who in reality were they? They weren’t anyone the public wanted to see Floyd face, especially, when the public is forced to pay extortion like money to see a scam. It’s not the Klitschko’s fault in they make fighter look ordinary…ike they don’t belong there. Well, you guys use the same b.s. line to describe floyd don’t you? Only difference is Floyd calls himself ATG, P4P, HOF’er but we have yet to see him fight anyone who has defined his legacy. Give you some really really good examples: Morales/Barrera/, Morales/Pacquiao, Pacquiao/JMM. Floyd’s career is anything but remarkable.Posted October 7, 2013 9:07 am
I schooled you nerds now move on. Easy work I made of ye. Go away now and jack off to a picture of Mike in his prison uniformPosted October 7, 2013 9:07 am
Your right he put 51 opponents to sleep.Posted October 7, 2013 9:05 am
bottom line is Klit is a bore to watch and he now has the abilty to put people asleep ringside in their chairs. He cant box fluidly is afraid to get hit and is not even slightly entertaining. This is bad for boxing and the heavyweight division is a mess because of it. End of story.Posted October 7, 2013 9:04 am
Lol check out these couple of pathetic losers trying to high 5 each other on line slagging off Wlad. Couple of weedy nerds thinking back to the day when their rapist hero was the American champion of America. Lewis gave Tyson a beat down I took great pleasure in watching many times. Holyfield beat the crap out of Tyson twice and Tyson ran from the ring. Irish brick layer leaned on Tyson and beat the crap out of him and that was the end for Tyson. Maybe Mike can put the rape victim on his fight record hahahahahaahaPosted October 7, 2013 9:00 am
@ Beaver, finally someone who knows what there talking about.Posted October 7, 2013 8:55 am
LMAO! A guy (or girl) who uses the handle “Demon” is passing judgement on Mike Tyson. Hilarious.Posted October 7, 2013 8:52 am
@ sasso – lol.Posted October 7, 2013 8:52 am
Pity your mother wasn’t at the same hotel.Posted October 7, 2013 8:51 am
” was you actually there” go back to school dummy. There was a court case and he was convicted of rape and served 3 years in jail the dirty rapist.Posted October 7, 2013 8:50 am
Klitschko should no more be disqualified for the same things Hopkins has done throughout his career. Hopkins is notorius for these things he conveniently calls “crafty.”Posted October 7, 2013 8:49 am
You know the difference between Tyson and the Klits: Tyson KO opponents in one to four rounds and became a legend for it. The Klit’s clinches, holds, and paws before the KO in the mid-to-late rounds and are criticized for being boring. Tyson fights were prime time theater. Klit fights don’t get shown internationally, because they’re a snooze-fest. No other boxers, much less HW’s in history made getting KO wins as uneventful as the Klit Brothers.Posted October 7, 2013 8:49 am
Don’t bother talking to the goons who are wetting themselves over a filthy dirty rapist.Posted October 7, 2013 8:48 am
Mike the Rapist ..??????? Was you actually there.Posted October 7, 2013 8:48 am
What made Tyson rape that child I wonder??Posted October 7, 2013 8:47 am
Hidalgo aint right
@ Ali The GOAT. Based on WHAT Tyson win are you sure of a vicotry overy Wlad? Did you know that EVERY time Tyson faced a foe who was 6’4″ or over, he either was knocked out (Lewis, Mc Bride) or he labored to a points win losing a few rounds along the way (Mitch Green, James Smith, Tony Tucker). Wlad is 6’6″ and I think is a little better than that latter trio yet you think Tyson would simply cut through Wlad like a wet piece of bread..?? Sure he wouldPosted October 7, 2013 8:46 am
Mike the rapist hahahahahaPosted October 7, 2013 8:45 am
his name should be holdimore klitschko,what a disgrace to boxing,if the fight was in any other country he would of been disqualified,if max kellerman and jim lamply were right in saying emanual stewart showed him that technique ,it was because he could see he has no boxing skills what soever,he cannot block punches he cannot side step cannot use angles cannot fight in the pocket cannot fight in the clinch ,just grab the opponent and lean on him,he is lazy ,please quit boxing holimore you are a disgracePosted October 7, 2013 8:42 am
Ali The GOAT
Reem, if I guess right Bigger is better, always the same BS. Pov is too heavy on his feet, no footspeed, whereas Tyson had one of the fastest. Pov has no power, no head movement, do you really think he’s stronger than Prime Tyson ??
Definitely should have been DQ’d. Wladimir’s tactics were again illegal and cowardly. He continues to disgrace boxing and turn away fans.Posted October 7, 2013 8:40 am
It’s Me, Ernie
You CANNOT DQ a GOAT. He has done this crap all along and got away with it and the nuthuggers with little knowledge of the sport think he is great, lmao! The extended, blocking, blinding and feeler left of Wladdie is as cowardly and illegal as can be yet he gets away with it. The second he senses any contact with the left glove, that MF’er is gone, retreating at full speed. Using his size to lean, clinch etc is not a thing of beauty to see, and some wonder why the sport is heading downhill…Posted October 7, 2013 8:30 am
Ali The GOAT phleease, even the prime Tyson looked bad against big heavies. Tyson looked only good against small stationary targets.Posted October 7, 2013 8:27 am
The bigger Pov was rushing in head first all night long and couldn’t land anything, so the midget Tyson would have absolutely no chance. Tyson never looked good against big guys and these big heavies he fought weren’t even half as good as Wlad.Posted October 7, 2013 8:25 am
Ali The GOAT
Wlad does’t have the mental capacity to handle an animial like a prime Tyson or the ability to withstand a punch.. He trows single shots and reiles on his opponents to keep the distance. His bob and weave is faster than his jab. Mike breaks through that defence like its a wet slice of bread, and once again Tyson was definitely shot against Lewis sick ignorant.Posted October 7, 2013 8:24 am
Ali The GOAT nothing happened in the first round, Tyson didn’t land anything meaningful on the glass chinned Lewis. And Lewis btw has worse footwork than Wlad, so Tyson would have even less chances.Posted October 7, 2013 8:22 am
The desert grounds
Dq the Cluth Ko that was terriblePosted October 7, 2013 8:20 am
Wlad would had boxed the ears of poor Ali. If light weight Cooper can give Ali all he can handle and needed his manager to rip his glove to get an extra minute to save his man imagine the dame either Klit would had inflicted on him. It be murder.Posted October 7, 2013 8:19 am
Iron Mike just like the uppercuts were on the way against Lewis? Lewis killed Mike with the same tactics, so it would have been no different against Wlad.Posted October 7, 2013 8:17 am
Tyson was a coward. Could not beat a cruiserweight Holyfield twice. First fight he got battered the 2nd he looked and found a way out like all cowards do and took a chunk from his ear twice. Nasty coward. Tried to get banned from from fighting Lewis by biting his leg because he was scared to death of him. He said it himself he was scared to death. Tyson reign is a farce. There was no reign. He got beat left right and center.Posted October 7, 2013 8:17 am
“Should Wladimir Klitschko been disqualified for holding against Povetkin?” Since BoxRec.com has Muhammadi Ali as the # 1 all time heavyweight in its rankings, I have to say that precedent for holding one’s opponent has not only long been accepted, but it has not kept one of its greatest practitioners from being rated (in BoxRec.com rankings) as the greatest heavyweight of all time. Do I like this? No – emphatically not; however, disqualifying Wlad while ignoring Ali’s repeated blatant flaunting of boxing rules presents quite a problem for me. The solution? Clean up boxing. Yeah, sure. Clean up boxing – you know, enforce the rules across the board. Hah, hah, hah!Posted October 7, 2013 8:14 am
Ali The GOAT
Moron Demon we’re talking about 21 y old Tyson right ? Tyson was 100 times better than this Pov, and real strong heavy, stop you absurd argument he would be cruiser today. Do you think Tyson can’t get in close, Tyson had fast feet. Watch the first round of Tyson v Lewis. Super shot out of shape Tyson easily got inside Lewis jab in first couple of rounds until he tired, prime Tysn was a animal with endurance, he would make short work of Wlad.Posted October 7, 2013 8:13 am
I know for sure there is a lady out there who will never forget the night of brutality she suffered from your hero when she was an 18 yr old kid.Posted October 7, 2013 8:11 am
You guys can defend all you want the fact is that writers like ESPN’s Dan Rafael and who has long supported the Klits called out his over the top spoiling in this fight and odd tactics… Remember Klits was FINALLY deducted a point later in the bout…. Any fighter can have an “off night” but this was something different, Klits was not using sound defense or just being cautious he was outright wrestling and physically tossing his opponent to the floor….He fought a SUPER ugly fight despite all the physical advantages that should give him confidence to handle his business…Wlad really killed whatever cache he had with US audiences, who the hell wants to see him fight in this manner? The irrelevance of HW is now solidified until someone with a real “wow” factor and some better opponents comes along…Klits is a Lion when in the ring with Rabbits God forbid he gets in with a truly skilled big man (Not a Sad joke like doper Wach)…. He would be leveled, no sane person thinks that Klits with 0000 infighting ability would have lasted even 6 rounds with a Lennox Lewis…Posted October 7, 2013 8:10 am
Tyson’s prime was holding down a 18 yr old girl and raping her like a filthy savage.Posted October 7, 2013 8:09 am
Haha Wlad should had been DQ for been too good.Posted October 7, 2013 8:04 am
MNboxingFAN – Sean
In my opinion yes Wladimir should’ve been disqualified, but it falls to the referee and the commissions who employee the referee’s to properly enforce the rules. Plenty of fighters get away with dirty and illegal tactics. Elbows… Forearms… Headbutts… excessive Holding… etc. It’s one thing if the referee never warns a fighter for using these tactics, but what’s infuriating is when they warn them every round and only take one point away. That’s what’s happened in this Kllitschko fight and at the very least the fight should be a No Contest.Posted October 7, 2013 8:02 am
Tyson was a circus act that had everybody watching just to see what he would do next because he was a head banger. I was one of those people also. It was like watching a slow motion car crash. When Tyson was not raping 18 yr old girls and doing bags of coke and been done for domestic violence he was getting battered by better fighers. He paid Lewis 5 million for step a side money to avoid fighting him. When Lewis eventually got him in the ring he gave him a beat down for the ages. Tyson lacked heart and courage. He was a bully and if you stood up to him it was always a game changer. Mentally he was so weak. He was an American champion. Never a world champion. There were dozens behing the iron curtain who would had smoked himPosted October 7, 2013 7:59 am
Demon. With Hayden cheating on wlad this weekend im sure you can offer him a crotch to cry on ;-)Posted October 7, 2013 7:57 am
Tyson’s prime??? Beating Frank Bruno?? If Tyson was in the Klit era he would had fought as a cruiserweight. The Klits would had battered him and everyone here would say what do you expect they are so big. Is this the same Tyson who got battered by Holyfield twice and Kevin Mc Bride and the mighty Buster Douglas. Tyson did 3 years for rape. Tyson admitted himself that the Klits would had done him. I would go 1 step further and say Vitali would had gone close to killing him. What Cubans and Russians did Tyson beat? He beat lorry drivers and got smashed up twice by a cruiserweight in Holyfield and a part time brick layer in Mc Bride.Posted October 7, 2013 7:53 am
@aj1575 Do you know anything about boxing? Seriously you actually think a klit would be tyson is his prime? You moron lol. Did you ever see the bone crusher smith fight? Watch the bone crusher smith fight thats all im will saying because im not wasting any more time with you, your a moron.Posted October 7, 2013 7:45 am
Should Wladimir Klitschko been disqualified for holding against Povetkin?
YES THAT WAS A JOKEPosted October 7, 2013 7:40 am
So good that he won this fight against a Olympic champion,a undefeated pro,a number one rated title holder using just his left hand and holding. He showed he didn’t want to end his career with his right hand ko. Povetkin at least wont end up like the oldtimers like ALI that got their brains scrambled. Thanks Wlad.Posted October 7, 2013 7:39 am
To all the Tyson lovers; If Tyson came in with his head as low as many of Wlads opponents, he would not be able to throw an uppercut. And second, Tyson always had problems with bigger opponents, even during his prime, and Wlad and Vitaly are bigger than anything Tyson fought. Still those would be intersting fights, Vitaly would be very tough for Tyson, and I think Tyson would loose, if he can’t KO Vitaly by the 4th or 5th. Wlad is another story, Wlad would be a bit scared by Tyson and fight to defensiv.Posted October 7, 2013 7:35 am
Bill Patrice has nailed the reason why so many fight fans are turned off by Wlad these days.He is a super athletic big man,with terrific speed,skills,and power,yet rarely does he display those attributes on fight night.Instead,he clinches,hugs,wrestles,leans….these tactics are useful when hurt or requiring a breather…they are NOT a substitute for punching your opponent.I’m just very disappointed with Wlad’s performance against the much smaller,slower Povetkin.I’m not sure how Wlad can overcome his reluctance to engage and take considered risks.He either needs a sports psychologist or he needs to take a look at what he values more:safety or greatness.That performance stunk,we all know Wlad could have destroyed Povetkin at any time.This kind of performance just tarnishes whatever legacy he may leave.Banks is obviously not helping.Manny would be screaming at the top of his voice to Wlad..”just knock this Mo**erf***er out!!!”…..I can’t remember the last time I saw a fight this bad.It was like when Akinwande fought Lennox and was so terrified of getting hit he clung to lennox for dear life….at least Akinwande had a reason to be afraid….sad night for boxing,sad night for Wlad….Posted October 7, 2013 7:32 am
Can you just imagine the fuss if he HAD been disqualified…? The irony is, the spoiling and borderline cheating probably didn’t make any difference to the outcome; while the leaning certainly put paid to Povetkin’s stamina and wore him down, Wlad DID hurt him on the few occasions when he tried to make a boxing match of it… so the opportunity was there for Wlad to have both victory AND a far more exciting fight! Nothing changes. The Klit fans will continue to lap it up and celebrate their guy, but the neutrals and haters won’t be won over…Posted October 7, 2013 7:31 am
Pratt you prat lol! What the hell are you babbling on about! First of all Klit is a stiff robot with no talent who just uses his freak boy height and reach to smother, lean, clinch, hold and push his way to a win. He reminds me of a 2 year old who has just found his teddy again and want to hug him. Hes pathetic and not a boxer, no one can call that boxing and he does it in every fight its not a once off you moron, how can you not see that! And why would any boxer punch a hip bone you prat? Thats a great way to get your hand broken lol. And the rope a dope is a perfected skill that only a few elite boxers would risk in the ring. Id love to see Klit try it, would probably cave the whole ring. And Lewis bet Klit get over it he bounced his head back so many times it was comical and he wasnt even in shape.Posted October 7, 2013 7:25 am
As soon as Wlad tried to wrap those big arms around Mikes neck, Boom the uppercuts would be on the way .. Lights Out.Posted October 7, 2013 7:08 am
Bill Patrice Jones
I want Wladimir to fight Fury in Germany or fight Arreola in the States. Fury because he’s of equal height and can fight inside. I think that fight looks more interesting every week. And Arreola in the states because Wladimir’s fights, aside from Ibragimov, were always so much more entertaining there. The referees penalize him for holding waaay more than in Germany and for whatever reason he always looked more inclined to showcase his repotoire. I mean have you seen Wlad in sparring or training??? His combinations and punch variety are soooo at odds with what you see on fight night. Jab and right hand if your lucky one left hook and one combination to end a fight. Against Arreola he would score an entertaining mid rounds KOPosted October 7, 2013 7:06 am
A prime Tyson would’ve destroyed that belly then landed the uppercut. Wlad wouldn’t survive four rounds. BTW: Prime Tyson was a master at landing that brutal uppercut on the inside, especially when the opponent tried to clinch.Posted October 7, 2013 7:03 am
It’s fair enough to criticize Wladimir for Saturday night’s performance, but all these people who are trying to make out he’s always been that bad and who are grouping Vitali in with him, who rarely holds, are just opportunistic haters taking free shots again.
The rise of Eastern European and former Soviets in boxing the last decade has had a massive impact on the sport and it’s clearly ruffled a lot of feathers among certain demographics in society and thrown a giant spanner into the works of people’s bigoted preconceptions. The endless litany of excuses we’ve had to listen to from these sections to try and discredit them and undermine their success, particularity in the heavyweight division, has been nothing short of embarrassing, much more embarrassing than Wladimir’s performance the other night, which even I myself was disgusted by.
I suggest you try and get used to seeing fighters from that region of the world continuing to have great success in the sport because Eastern Europe and Central Asia has always been a super power in amateur boxing.Posted October 7, 2013 7:00 am
Bill Patrice Jones
I think Wladimir Klitschko is one of the most athletic and talented big men we will ever see in boxing. However, as Emmanuel Steward would tell you, he just consistently has a refusal to take the chances which would see him score impressive looking victories. This was the worst holding incident in his career, but he’s done it several times before. The difference between the first and second Peter fight in terms of dominance was down to how much better Klitschko was, but the difference in entertainment value was down to Klitschko seemingly happy to hold tire and drag Peter along. It made for an ugly fight but guaranteed safety for Wladimir. If he’d fought how Steward wanted him to it would have been an entertaining round 4 or 5 KO fight. You have to consider just how brutally tiring having someone of that weight lean on you is. It can play havoc on your back and legs. Doing as much to wear you out as a right hand punch. You know Klitschko is prone to this just by virtue of the fact that he’s a monstrous monstrous puncher but NEVER scores early knockouts against top contenders. I also think Haye’s tactics seem a lot more reasonable now in hindsight. He outright refused to let Wladimir lean on him once prompting Wladimir to throw him to the mat and then prompting Haye to embarrass himself by deliberately flopping to the mat. The Haye fight was sooooo much more competitive than any of Wladimir’s other defences. He is the only opponent in the last 8 years who was still live in the championship rounds. I’m severely dissapointed with Wladimir and think NOW is the time for Fury to fight himPosted October 7, 2013 6:55 am
a total disgrace. The holding and landing ten to eleven punches per round.
The thing is… Him and his brother always fight like he did at the weekend…. it’s nothing new they think a good defence is Holding, hugging or keep your jabbing are out stretched because my arms bigger than my opponents and then he can’t hit me. Piss poor excuse about country pride…. as they both always do the same thing…. now if you call that boxing… you might as well start watching westerling as its move entertaining!!Posted October 7, 2013 5:41 am
tyson fury will be a nightmare for WKPosted October 7, 2013 5:38 am
One of the worst fights ever. That was not boxing. Wlad is a disgrace to the sport.Posted October 7, 2013 5:01 am
Lion King. You really do talk some BS. Real talk!Posted October 7, 2013 4:43 am
People defending Wlad’s clinching are purposefully turning a blind eye. Sure, it’s not always his fault (i.e. sometimes it’s both fighters falling into a clinch), but it’s undeniable that this is a tactic he’s used in plenty of other fights.
Jim Rich, come on give me a break, 16 lbs weight difference in a HW bout is NOTHING UNUSUAL! If you compare THAT with a 160er fighting a 175er you have no idea about boxing! The size disadvantage for Povetkin was in height and reach, not in weight. Remember Haye fighting Valuev, now THAT was a height, reach AND weight disadvantage. Or remember Duran fighting Hearns, at 6″ height and 12″ reach disadvantage. Wladimir fought Wach at weight, height and react disadvantage, so what? McCline was way heavier then Wladimir, so what? That’s HW boxing my friend, if you start moaning each and every time a smaller heavy loses against a bigger heavy, just stop watching please. If size and weight were that important, Valuev would still be the dominant champion, and where is he now? Sitting in the audience and watching the fight…Posted October 7, 2013 4:17 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
Not anymore than Floyd should be DQ’d for all his illegal B.S.Posted October 7, 2013 4:08 am
Ukraine beat Russia………………..Where was Putin, HBO was kept in the dark!!!Posted October 7, 2013 4:00 am
And Angelo Dundee never cut the glove of Ali in his corner, after Sir Henry Cooper knocked Ali’s ass out. He did not know what day it was when Dundee bought him some time. Never happened. Margarito never wrapped his hands in plaster of paris. Liston never took a dive.Posted October 7, 2013 3:58 am
AND FLOYD NEVER SUNDAY PUNCHED ORTIZ, ever!!!! And The Nigerian Nightmare never rabbit punched anybody, and Duran never hit Buchanan in the balls. see what I am saying,Posted October 7, 2013 3:54 am
Wlad did not cheat, he actually kicked Povetkin’s ass for 12 rounds. Put him on the canvas for the first time in his pro career with a short clean left hook, and Wlad ended Povetkin’s undefeated record. Ukraine over Russia in this comrads. Pass the Vodka and Borschnorsky please. Of course Bo Hop has never cheated by punching hip bones on the opposite side of the referee, and Larry Holmes never thumbed Scott Ledoux, and Ali never layed on the ropes like a dope with his Rope-a-Dope crap. AND Lennox Lewis NEVER laced Vitali Klitschko, no never happened.Posted October 7, 2013 3:49 am
Wlad held a lot more than pov and really stopped his flow. The fact the referee allowed waldimir to hold on so much made waldimir do it more as he won the fight so easily. More warnings and points should of been taking away early on to allow some sort of fight to happen.Posted October 7, 2013 3:45 am
Floid should have been DQ’d for Sunday Punching Ortiz.Posted October 7, 2013 3:38 am
Yeah. Nothing does your country prouder than cheating to win.Posted October 7, 2013 3:35 am
Should Vladimir HAVE been disqualified for holding against Povetkin? Yes.Posted October 7, 2013 3:34 am
Wlad won the fight for Ukraine, not for the fans. He gives a crap for what you fans think about his style to win this fight. To beat a Russian in Moscow by a Ukrainian is big time. Real big time. Ukraine & Russia are not pals and Wlad just rubbed Russians face in it by beating up Russian Povetkin. Open your eyes you Morons and see the whole picture.Posted October 7, 2013 3:33 am
Wlad made 17 mil this weekend…..maybe that makes up for the mrs cheating on him….AGAIN. He needs to man up inside and outside the ringPosted October 7, 2013 3:14 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Off subject: Where are the ESB Antipidian writers? I’ve heard that Sonny Bill Williams has been offered 1 million Australian $’s to fight Joseph Parker.Posted October 7, 2013 3:11 am
please quit making excuses for tyson dude. he was the best bum slayer that ever lived but thats it and a product of s*ter*oi*d era win noone was testing. ever see an 18 year old kid look like tyson before or after? tyson didnt beat hardly anyone of note. i like the guy but tyson struggles to make even a top ten all time heavy list. very weak era maybe the weakest 80s and lost to anyone halfway decent and less than halfway decent. there was no time in mikes life he would beat a peak klitschko or lewis. who fizzles out as fast as mike tyson did anyway? a product of peds?Posted October 7, 2013 3:09 am
Not t true champion to be named with the best from the past. .. arm out then hug, hold or lean on..for me thats not boxing.. he should not be mentioned in the same breath as past greats.Posted October 7, 2013 3:05 am
The fight was far from enjoyable to watch, but this is not only Wlads vault. First, Povetkin is a dangerous fighter, and he can hit pretty hard (as amateur he used to knock out opponets even though the were wearing protective headgear). It was wise from Wlad not to engage in an open brawl. Second, most opponents of Wlad have a problem with the size disadvantage. They can stay outside but then they are unable to throw any punches. When they come closer, they will be hit by Wlads jabs. So most of them try to get trough the dangerous distance as fast as possible while covering themself as good as possible. This means head down and both fists in front of their head. The problem is, that in this position Wlads opponents are even smaller than they are usual; the position of their head and shoulder block the movements of Wlads arms (the difference in heigth is just to big to allow a real infight). So what Wlad does is but his arms above them and lean on them. This definitly looks not nice, and is also not in meant to be done in boxing; but in my opinion it is also not meant to move in with the head as low down as some of Wlads opponent practice it.Posted October 7, 2013 3:04 am
And the Tyson that was fighting Lewis had lost his hunger for boxing. Tyson was just going threw the motions trying to sort out what he wanted to do with his life and he was broke of course and desperately needed money. There is no honor in beating up a shell of a former fighter like Tyson who’s heart just isn’t in the game anymore. Lewis chalked the Tyson fight as another notch on his belt but it was anything but that, it wasn’t the real Tyson he beat. Everytime I hear people bring up how Lewis beat Tyson I get a little sick to my stomach. I figure these people were to young to be around to see who Tyson really was when he was good and had the heart of a lion. Back in the day everyone was betting on of the next tyson opponent would make it out of the 1st round, many didn’t. When you state someones record you have to look at the competition they face, truth is when Wlad faught better fighters he was TKO in some of them and same with Lewis TKO in some. You fight good people then it’s tougher fight. This fight Wlad vs Potvakin was some freak show that belonged in a circus. Potvakin faught like he was getting his ars kicked by his older brother. And Wlad faught like the Tin Man with no heart, not with the heart of champion.Posted October 7, 2013 3:02 am
The only Heavyweight title fight I remember is another UK fighter getting disqualified against Lennox Lewis for persistent holding
Think it was Henry Akawainde who was like a limpet on Lennox
Where is he now?Posted October 7, 2013 2:59 am
mercur was on a win streak when he fought wlad and i dont think mercur ever got stopped prior to wlad. i dont know if he was ever even dropped. it eas holy or lewis he fought where i actually think mercur won but i cant remember who it was right now. it was lennox. one judge had it a draw. i thought mercer won. when wlad brutalized mercer steward praised the hell outta wlad and his power WHOLE BOUTPosted October 7, 2013 2:55 am
And potvotkin was ducking in all night you think they told Wlad to start throwing the uppercut but I guess you can’t teach an old dog new tricks? Or else Wlad has a bunch of clowns for cornormen or both.Posted October 7, 2013 2:43 am
Very true he was only 7-0, but him calling for Tyson at that the point he called him out was to get a faded Tysons name on his resume. Lewis fought well I can’t take anything away from him he was in quite a few good fights. The only problem was Tyson, was done well before Lewis called him out. When Lewis moved into the big league, most of the great fighters were on their way out. The only other knock on Lewis is his chin being weak during the first few rounds it seem he would take punches better in the later rounds.Posted October 7, 2013 2:42 am
You know I really should take it easier on potvotkin, this was a david vs goliath match up that could only happen in the heavyweight division. It’s like a middleweight taking on a lightheavyweight, potvotkin was at a big size disadvantage from the start. If Wlad was really that good he would have had some balls and pressed the action, so he landed a long lumbering jab or right on a small man in front of him. Wlad faught scared, guess mother russia likes having a chicken as their heavyweight champ, as long as he wins that’s all that matters to them even if it’s a crumby pathetic performance. What is Wlad so afraid of losing for, he been champ for so long now and he is afraid of guys half his size, what a coward. Good thing these two klit bros are freaks of nature, if they weren’t so damn big they never have made it this far.Posted October 7, 2013 2:40 am
wlad-pulev 2014Posted October 7, 2013 2:35 am
This author is a fool. Povetkin tried his best but he was coming in low all the time. Vlad put on a masterclass. I can remember watching some of Ali’s snore fests where he just held on for 15 rounds. Give the the guy the credit he deserves.Posted October 7, 2013 2:31 am
Something needs to be done. This champion is becoming a joke. How many times will this guy get away with dirty tricks. Time and time again. Poor sportman, gentleman my arsePosted October 7, 2013 2:24 am
Urone2: “Let’s try the truth, Lewis never went after Tyson until after Tyson lost to Douglas.”
Well, to be fair, at the time of Tyson losing to Douglas, Lewis was just 7-0 – so was hardly in a position to be calling out the heavyweight champion of the world, eh?Posted October 7, 2013 2:23 am
Disqualified? Of course not, lets not get stupid here. Should the refs be penalizing him earlier to get him to stop? Of course, lets not get stupid here. Clinching , holding an pushing down aren’t parts of the art of boxing.I would love to see a ref to stop Wladimir from doing all this crap. He is the greatest heavyweight of this generation but he won’t ever be a true great until he stops pulling this garbage. Your hands are for nothing put punching and blocking. After that you should be warned reasonably than docked points.Posted October 7, 2013 2:12 am
Let’s try the truth, Lewis never went after Tyson until after Tyson lost to Douglas. Lewis only went after Bowe who he had beat in the olympic, Lewis was never seen calling anyone else out at that time.Posted October 7, 2013 2:11 am
@tark – you didnt pay attention to the post! I said in their prime! When tyson was in his prime killing dudes the klits werent around! Mercer was old n washed up when he fought klit! The other fighters in their prime i mention would murk klit! If sanders and brewster k.o. klit dont u think a prime tyson, lewis, holyfield, bowe will do the same? Come on now!Posted October 7, 2013 2:09 am
Ali would grabbed behind the head and pulled the fighters to him. Not avoiding exchanges at all cost, there is no comparison with what Wlad does and what Ali did. Ali would slip and exchange during his fights, he did have boring moments in his fights when he did alot of moving but he would exchange and have excitement in his fights.
Boxrec has Wlad at 6’6″ or 198cm, and I dout Wlad would have KO’s Tyson, Wlads primary weapon against Tyson would have been his down fall. The jab that everyone thought would be the weapon to beat Tyson is what got a slew of boxers beat, Tyson would slip or eat the jab to deliver a finishing blow the Wlad would not have been able to survive.Posted October 7, 2013 2:06 am
hookoffthejab…, Tyson was younger than Lewis and refused to fight him for many, many years… When he finally agreed to face LL he got murdered.Posted October 7, 2013 2:02 am
That’s crazy murderman.., Wladimir destroyed Ray Mercer when Mercer was 41.. Mercer knocked out an MMA Heavyweight Champion when he was 50.. A 43-year-old Larry Holmes boxed the piss out of a young Ray Mercer.
Mike Tyson refused to fight the K Bros… “They’re too big and strong for me.”Posted October 7, 2013 2:00 am
A prime Tyson would have SPARKED either of the klitkos and Lewis ………Posted October 7, 2013 1:56 am
Tyson, holyfield, lewis, bowe, and ray mercer in their primes would kill both klit bros. Damn i miss the great hw of the late 80’s early 90’s! Back when hw boxing was great!Posted October 7, 2013 1:53 am
Klitschko did what he have to do to win it, Great champPosted October 7, 2013 1:51 am
Now if you’re 3 times stronger than somebody, like George Foreman was vs Joe Frazier, than he could push Frazier off and Frazier went flying halfway across the ring. And Frazier was in really lousy shape so Foreman just beat the living crap out of him.Posted October 7, 2013 1:39 am
Vlad would have knocked Tyson out like Lewis did. Tyson never fought a fighter as good as Vitali or Vlad. More “Sour Grapes” from Wilder fans who claim that Wilder is the best heavyweight in the world and has fought better opponents than Vitali or Vlad. Wow, Vlad should fight Sconiers tomorrow!Posted October 7, 2013 1:27 am
If prime tyson was in there Potheadvotkin wouldn’t have made it past the 2nd round, prob not the 1st and Wlad would not be heavyweight chapion because tyson would own his sorry ars inside of 5 rounds. Prime holyfield would have his way with wlad to, we can’t deny the truth wlad is a one trick pony jab, jab, jab, right hand, grab, grab, grab when you get inside because wlad has no inside game. Wlad tryed to grab corrie sanders and look what happen in that fight. Potvotkin if he had any skill would have been timing wlad lazy jab with a straight right hand ala the one that devarell williamson a c+ level heavyweight put vlad down with. Wlad was open to walk into a stright right timed with that lazy jab all night. Pot head votkin kept ducking down and diving into wlad mid section and puting his arm around wlad, potheadvotikin is a laughing joke of a fighter, but as been mention was good way to get the paycheck without taking to bad of a beating.Posted October 7, 2013 1:18 am
When John Ruiz was clinching and holding has way to victories, the boxing community crucified him, so it’s no surprised that Wlad is facing the same criticisms. Fans of HW boxing, simply don’t like that type of fighting style. In fact, fans of boxing period, don’t like that type of fighting style. It’s the reason there’s a rule against obsessive holding and clinching. Like others have said, it was the Ref’s job to enforce that law.Posted October 7, 2013 1:18 am
Wlads 6′ 6″, and no one expects him to move like Floyd, but he shouldn’t be terrified of exchanges or should he. He is scared to get hit on the chin and that is the way he fights. It’s boring.Posted October 7, 2013 1:08 am
Bears you change Wlads height to suit your point. You said he was 6 ft 5 earlierPosted October 7, 2013 1:04 am
YES. and no ref didn’t call it Vlad Klit should retire if that’s how he is gonna fight.Posted October 7, 2013 1:01 am
wlad is 6’8 250 pounds. Of course he is not gonna move like he is 5’7 and 140 pounds you nutsack. floyd wouldnt move like he does if he weighed 250 pounds and was 6’8. I swear some people have unrealistic expectations or just dont have any sense at all.Posted October 7, 2013 12:57 am
Wlad isn’t an exciting fighter, I love to watch techinical brillance but what Wlad does is not. I don’t see Wlad slipping and makinge his opponents miss, I don’t see any real exchanges. Wlad keeps his distance to the point of running from his opponents, uses his jab to frustrate them(which is the only good tactic I enjoy in everything that he does) then try to catch them with a punch while they are coming in. He does everything he can to keep guy from throwing a punch near him. When I see Wlad fight I see mostly running from him, not alot of the sweet sicence.Posted October 7, 2013 12:51 am
Tark you suck big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Posted October 7, 2013 12:44 am
DQ CLutch ko DQ him !!!!!!Posted October 7, 2013 12:44 am
Russian’s are cowards and Clutch Ko is one of them !Posted October 7, 2013 12:39 am
Tark. You ruin every thread. Seek help if you think that was acceptable conduct.Posted October 7, 2013 12:38 am
Tark if Wladimir was trying harder then whats with the pushing down the back of Povetkin ? If he’s ahead in points then why the dirty stuff. No need for that crap. People want to see a fight not a push and clinch fight.Posted October 7, 2013 12:38 am
I watch the fight in utube, and yes the fight was boring. However Im tiered of writers blad WladKlistchko for the holding. Povetkin wanted to survive, and go the distance. So in rder to surviove he kept rusting low, and intiating the clinches. If Povitkin would have fought Klistchko same way he fought other, fight semi upright. tHE FIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EASY 4TH OR 5TH ROUN D KO. bY THE WAY Ali use to clinch as well.Posted October 7, 2013 12:37 am
Wlad should have been disqualified. Warned in the first round, points taken by thue 2nd rd and dq’d by thue third. It really was that bad. He absolutely clinched in every exchange. Each attempt of Povetkin to initiate a fight on the inside led to grabbing, holding, and throwing by Klitschko. Coward champion.Posted October 7, 2013 12:34 am
I’d like to see Wladimir Klitschko try to clinch that way against Chris Arreola. While I think Wladimir would win the fight, he might get body-slammed first!Posted October 7, 2013 12:30 am
Remy.., “Ref should of ended the fight. At least Povetkin was trying.”
Wladimir was trying harder… He landed 4 times as many punches, won every round, and scored 4 knockdowns. He threw Povetkin around like a rag doll and he’s 37 years old.
When Ali was 37 he was broke…and talking to people about a Larry Holmes fight… That fight was well promoted, but went over like a lead balloon when it came off… At least this fight was better than that one.Posted October 7, 2013 12:30 am
Should Wladimir been disqualified for holding against Povetkin? No. Should the judge been less passive and get some control back around round 3 or 4. Yes.Posted October 7, 2013 12:07 am
Tark what are you smoking ? You give props to Wladimir but that doesn’t give an excuse for him making this a non fight. Ref should of ended the fight. At least Povetkin was trying.Posted October 7, 2013 12:06 am
I’ll tell you a WEAK period for Heavyweights… Marciano never pulled one gate as strong as Jack Dempsey did 30 years earlier… or as strong as Joe Louis did 20 years earlier.
Marciano defended against light heavyweights because there were no real heavyweights around in the early 1950’s.
Calling today’s era of heavyweights weak—when you have Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, David Haye, Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, Bryant Jennings, Tomasz Admanek, and Chris Arreola is nuts.
Show me the Top-10 from October 1953Posted October 7, 2013 12:02 am
There are a lot of Dynamics going on here in and around this fight.
1. Ukraine & Russia are not pals and a Ukraine win over a Russian fighter is big. Real Big. Wlad wants a Ukraine win more than a belt win.
2. Somewhere in the crowd is Vladimir Putin, and he is kept secret from Fox.
3. Povetkin is Undefeated and never been knocked down.
4. Wladimir knocks down Povetkin to the canvas with nice left hook.
5. There is an unwritten Amateur Factor going on here also. Both fighter
6. Povetkin lasts 12 Rounds with Wlad and sees victory in this.
7. Wlad pretty much knocks Pov around at will and tries to KO him
8. A big win for Wlad all the way around and for the Ukraine.
It’s Me, Ernie
What a pitiful display for the once most coveted title in all of sports…Posted October 6, 2013 11:56 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Aw shut yer cum-catcher Tard, Wladdie performed poorly once again so just move along with your weak excuses,,,Posted October 6, 2013 11:55 pm
KL.., Wilder would murder Arreola.. He is definitely ready for guys that level.. He would fight Jennings to.. But these guys aren’t even saying how much money thay want to fight him.. You got to speak up.
The problem is, most of the contenders think they’re going to get title fights with the K Bros without taking the risk of fighting each other.
That’s why I like the Fury-Haye fight so much.. That fight should do better than any other fight in Heavyweight History between contenders.
We’re in a tremendous Heavyweight era RIGHT NOW!!!Posted October 6, 2013 11:50 pm
Tark is is full of sht. Never stronger????!!!!Posted October 6, 2013 11:49 pm
I was not surprised with Klitchko way of fighting, but Povetkin is not a very bright man, and his team is not packed with geniuses. Povetkin got himself in the same position for 100 times, and not to come up with something against it, and knowing that it’s going to be and not be prepared. Teddy Atlas mentioned once that he was prepared Povetkin for such scenario, but it looks like Povetkin has short memory. I think Povetkin was saving himself in Klit’s hugs and he is a moron. About Klitchko, I believe it’s a last win for Klitchko, unless he fights losers. I forgot, he does fight losers. I want to see how someone like Arreola makes him run.Posted October 6, 2013 11:48 pm
The heavyweight division has NEVER been stronger… You don’t get paid 20-million for a title defense if the world isn’t watching… And you don’t sell out the arena out in Moscow, and show the fight 4 times in one day on American premium channel TV.
Wladimir fought an Olympic Heavyweight Champion who was undefeated, and who had NEVER been knocked down, and floored him 4 times.. He won every round. It was more dominant than the Wladimir-Haye fight. Which was the BIGGEST fight in European History.
The 2nd BIGGEST fight in European History was Vitali-Adamek.. So this is a MASSIVE era of heavyweights, breaking all historical records, and far surpassing those of Ali when he fought in Europe against weak opponents.Posted October 6, 2013 11:40 pm
Frauds like Tark will pretend that this is the FIRST time Wlads clinching has been called into question he was all OVER poor, half dead Cruiser Mormeck also…This has been a Wlad trademark for YEARS!! Against Povetkin he took it to a new level casually tossing Povetkin to the canvas!!! If this had happened to Wlad OVER and OVER Tark and his fellow Sodomite Bears would have gone berzerk!!!! Klitschko could have defeated Povetkin absent such sad tactics instead he turned of ANOTHER generation of US fans to HW boxing… Again this era is a JOKE….Posted October 6, 2013 11:40 pm
The HW Division is at HISTORIC LOWS I would have paid this bout little mind EXCEPT that Cotto was doing his business… Wlad the best HW of this era turned in another performance that’s makes you say why watch HW???? Haye vs Chisora was 5x better…. Klits can only be who he is and fact remains his career thrived in an era DEVOID of real talent and classic bouts… The two biggest bouts he was in over the past few years were SHHIIITT FESTS…(Haye and Povetkin) but this is indicative of the woeful character of what used to be the Great HW division…. This is why fans have FLED to WW for action, compelling matchups and Great boxing… HW IS IN RUINS!!Posted October 6, 2013 11:28 pm
Sorry about the typo’s tonight folks. To many beers here at Casa Big Ham.Posted October 6, 2013 11:25 pm
As for Wlad himself. I think despite winning every round, in a way he felt like it went life and death in this fight. He looked very hittable and vulnerable and looked at times like his boxing focus was gone. Yes he won, but if you are one who makes an argument that the Holyfields, and Bowes and Lewis’s would have Ko’s Wlad. Then i think you have a pretty good Argument, because i think wlad was there to be taken and be broken down like he was against Sanders and Brewster. Povetkin did not have it in him though. Wlad should focus more on real punching and boxing. When he does that he looks world Class. All this grappling makes look like an unsure of himself desperate fumbling fighter. If i were not so much stronger than povetkin it would not have worked at all.Posted October 6, 2013 11:23 pm
I agree with Tark that to some extent Povetkin wanted to be held. He fell into those clinches almost like a moth drawn to light. If he wanted to really make a fight of it he would have thrown punches in that danger zone where you are close enough to hit your opponent and they are close enough to hit you. As soon as he worked he way to get to that distance he would lunge forward into a clinch instead of squaring up ready to move back a bit, or punch. If he knew the clinch was coming he should have positioned himself to evade it and punch and create angles. He fell into the same clinch 100 Times at least. That’s what was frustrating. The clinch was like a safe spot in the unspoken agreement.Posted October 6, 2013 11:19 pm
Tark why you making excuses the Ref should of Dq’d Wladimir. That wasn’t a fight it was a hold down clinch fest. Wake the F up Tark. Pathetic !!!!Posted October 6, 2013 11:14 pm
I met Hopkins. He is a A hole.Posted October 6, 2013 11:12 pm
DQ Clutchko while your at it Dq Ward for head butts in that Kessler fight and the ultimate never let Bernard Hopkins fight again. The dirtiest corrupt fighter in the history of boxing.Posted October 6, 2013 11:10 pm
Tark, the problem with the heavyweight division at the moment is that there are so many prospects out there, but so few are willing to fight each other, so we really don’t know who really is the king of the prospects at the moment. In my view it’s about time the boxing organizations got all there heads together and organized some type of “night of the young heavyweights” tournament to at least get some young prospects fighting each other, and then only the best goes forward to fight top established fighters. As it is at the moment, it would take several years for all the “prospects” to face each other. In my view Wilder isn’t quite ready for an established top heavy like Arreola, but he could do well against other prospects like Jennings, and the “never gonna step up” Boystov.
sure delk how many titles have you won???Posted October 6, 2013 10:54 pm
ali/frazier lll now that is clinching.Posted October 6, 2013 10:52 pm
BTW…, You have to clinch awkwardly and push your opponent’s head down if he’s much shorter than you, and charges in with his head down.. Otherwise he’ll crank up a left hook, underneath his chest where you can’t see it, and smash you in the head with massive power. If he comes in like that you grab him and lean on him.
You can’t punch him in the back of the head or on the back and that’s all he’s showing you. Povetkin isn’t supposed to charge in with his head down. He’s allowed to cut the ring off and box his way in—but he has to follow the rules.
The referee is responsible for making a fight flow. When grabbing, leaning, shoving, and pushing got repetitive, he should have warned both boxers and said, “I’m going to start taking points—Let’s have a boxing match.” I heard referees say this many times and get good results. But more often I’ve seen referees not do a damned thing. They will keep breaking up 100 to 200 clinches, and don’t pay any attention whatever to rule infractions.
Povetkin was complicit in what was happening—because he wanted to survive 12 rounds. He found a home for his head underneath Wladimir’s left armpit. He usually wasn’t getting punched while his head rested there. He didn’t get knocked out and he left a few million dollars richer. It might not have been pretty—or great for Boxing—but it was great for Povetkin.Posted October 6, 2013 10:31 pm
The heavyweight division has never been stronger.. We just need to get Arreola and Jennings into a ring with Wilder.. Golden Boy has to pony up the money and get these guys guys signed for Wilder. Show them the money honey — and they’ll get in there with him.Posted October 6, 2013 10:28 pm
All I hear is how terrible Klitchko was for ” holding ” and ” clinching ” and
The Heavyweight division is DEAD. Get rid of it or better yet get rid of GLASS JAW WLADPosted October 6, 2013 10:22 pm
one of the WORST FIGHT OF ALL TIMES, Klitschko is a BUMPosted October 6, 2013 10:20 pm
I n answer to your question: yes
These are my thoughts:
For me, Povetkin emerged as the real man in this fight, and came out the winner in defeat. Klitschko was not a worthy champion in this instance, and I think Povetkin’s team should demand a rematch with the rules firmly in place.
Since when are you allowed to blatently throw your opponent to the floor and have it classed as a knockdown? at one point, Klitschko leaned on him with his feet off the ground, this meant Povetkin had the whole of Klitschko’s weight on his back.
With each round, my heart went out to Povetkin, because he wasn’t allowed to fight. Had he been allowed to fight with a different referee, there could have been an upset.
Also, Klitschko had the cheek to complain when he was hit round the back of the ear on the bell – unbelieveable.
You wouldn’t think this comment was coming from a Klitschko admirer would you? but tonight I lost a little respect for him, in so far as he supposedly had the talent to beat Povetkin without resorting to these cheap tactics.
The questions that jump out at me are:
Why wasn’t Povetkin or his corner protesting about being thrown to the canvas?
Why was the referee so weak in such a high profile fight?
What would Emanuel Steward have thought?
To end on an amusing note, can you imagine Klitschko being thrown around like a rag doll and it being ignored?Posted October 6, 2013 10:07 pm
pot head or potvotkin or whatever his name was so inept and incapable in the fight he didn’t belong fighting for a heavyweight fight. Wlad was aweful yes but potvotkin was a total joke, if your opponent isn’t able to mount any attack it’s hard take points away. If wlad was in against a real fighter then the holding would been more of an issue. As it is, it just shows Wlad would get KO against a good heavy handed heavyweight. I saw the vlad that got had by corrie sanders and lamon brewster last night.Posted October 6, 2013 9:54 pm
“So blame the ref.”
Absolutely. It’s his job to control the fight.Posted October 6, 2013 9:53 pm
“Wladimir is not technically clinching.. He’s leaning. That is certainly allowed. ”
That’s debatable. Actually, Wladimir was holding Povetkin with his body. He’d lean on him and drape his arms over him so he couldn’t swing. A ref has a certain amount of leeway and authority to interpret and enforce the rules. Klitschko was clearly bending them as far as he could because he realized early on that the ref was never going to call him for it. Even so, Wlad still clinched a lot. But a ref can’t just up and DQ a fighter. He has to give him warnings, point deductions, etc.
I don’t know what was more pathetic: Wlad’s blatant and continuous fouling or Povetikin’s and his team’s stupidity for allowing it to continually happen.Posted October 6, 2013 9:49 pm
Laj you say “Holly at his best never could have hung with Wlad. He was easily beaten by Chris Bryd, who of course Wlad destroyed”
You do realise that Holyfield was at his best between 1988-1993, and he fought Bryd in at the end of 2002, that’s almost a decade after his best.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! He held, held and hit, pushed. He was pathetic! No question he should have been disqualified and the referee should be banned for life.Posted October 6, 2013 9:40 pm
So blame the ref. Oh and K2 didn’t promote this, pov people did.Posted October 6, 2013 9:39 pm
Yes. 182 in 12 rds.Posted October 6, 2013 9:36 pm
How muchPosted October 6, 2013 9:33 pm
You people defending wlad are idiots. That was the most foul ridden fight I have ever seen. Pot was not lunging in with the head. The fouls were elbowing, forearms hitting while holding pushing stiff arm back,handing and leaning and grabbing until Pot was too tired to fight. It’s boxing not wrestling. Wlad made 17 million. Ow much did the ref make ?Posted October 6, 2013 9:32 pm
Wlads been training with Amir Khan at the Johnny Ruiz Gym LOL LOLPosted October 6, 2013 9:30 pm
Wladimir was not “clinching”. “Clinching” is tying up the arms of your opponent. What Wladimir was doing was damn near piggyback riding Povetkin — there is a difference.Posted October 6, 2013 9:29 pm
That was pitiful performance by Wladimir. Holding on a little on the inside is okay, but not purposely, and continuously, lying on the back of your opponent trying to push him to the ground. It was ridiculous! He should have been sternly warned immediately in the first round and DQ’d in the second if it didn’t stop. Poor Povetkin, essentially performed about 75 200+ pound squats/leg-presses during the course of the fight — it’s no wonder he had no legs under him in the later rounds.Posted October 6, 2013 9:26 pm
Chitt just doesn’t know Boxing.., Referees rarely call holding fouls and there is no specific foul for leaning on your opponent, or “leaning and hitting.”
When Emmanuel Steward 1st interviewed with the Klitschkos he said. “Ladimir would be 43-0 if he mastered the art of clinching.”
Vitali said, “Maybe—but clinching is holding. Holding is specifically a foul in Boxing. A boxer must not hold—therefore he must never clinch.”
Steward laughed and shook his head, “Yes, clinching is holding—but how often do you see a boxer get called for holding? Referees break clinches 200 times in some fights without calling it. If they called a foul every time a boxer clinched, Muhammad Ali would have lost every fight by DQ.”
Wladimir mastered the art of clinching and was fair at it by the Peter fight.
He didn’t clinch in his 62nd and 63rd fight—but he clinched a lot versus Povetkin. Why? Because Povetkin is very slick and kept charging in head down; to get into his preferred range. When Ali didn’t clinch a charging Frazier enough in their first fight, Frazier punched the crap out of Ali. In their 2nd fight Ali set an all-time record for clinching. Clinching is part of Boxing.Posted October 6, 2013 9:21 pm
If you look at the photo accompanying this article, Wladimir is not technically clinching.. He’s leaning. That is certainly allowed. You can even punch somebody with a right uppercut from this position if you’re not holding them.Posted October 6, 2013 9:20 pm
Povetkin initiated much of the clinching by the way he barreled in low and wrapped his arm around his waist — heck even the picture shows this — He was probably hoping that klitschko would get counted off for this to gain points and open him up. i think the ref seen what was happening and thats why he never warned him for clinching. people label wladimir coming into the fight as someone who clinches to avoid getting hit. so people were looking for it and when they seen a clinch automatically have the mindset set that it was wladimirs fault entirely. watch the fight again and see how povetkin comes in low and wraps his arm around his waist. you’ll even see wladimir a few times put his arms straight up in the air during a ‘clinch’.Posted October 6, 2013 9:17 pm
Povetkin not ready stated, “It takes two to tango. Povetkin jumped inside every time he got with no game plan.”
I disagree. Povetkin plan was, and correctly so, to get inside against his much taller opponent. Of course, Wlad’s job is to try and not get hit, and holding should be part of the strategy. However, though he did lots of holding, he kept leaning over his opponent, not just to prevent the attack, which would have been somewhat ok, but mainly to sap his opponent’s energy in the process.
However, is up to the referee to stop him from doing it by giving him a few warnings and then taking points away. Those are basic rules any referee should know before given such assignments. However, many referees are either incompetent or have an ulterior motive for letting fighter’s get away with such tactics.Posted October 6, 2013 9:10 pm
While i did agree that he was “hugging” too much I feel all those knock downs were legit. Povetkin was rocked and would constantly fall into Wlad. But I would love for Wlad to throw more combos and bring something behind the right and the hooks he throws instead of clinching when he misses with one punch.Posted October 6, 2013 9:04 pm
Holly at his best never could have hung with Wlad. He was easily beaten by Chris Bryd, who of course Wlad destroyed. Holly was tailor made for Wlad. Bowe or LL maybe, Holly no way shape or form.Posted October 6, 2013 9:01 pm
HUGGYBEAR KLITCHKO! POOR HEAVYWEIGHTS, I SHUTTER TO THINK WHAT AN 80’S TYSON OR 90’S HOLYFIRLED WOULD HAVE DONE WITH WLAD… IT WOULD OF BEEN MURDER!!!Posted October 6, 2013 8:52 pm
Povetkin not ready
It takes two to tango. Povetkin jumped inside every time he got with no game plan. I guess being hugged is better than eating jabs. Wlad leaned the hard way not to fox in a phone boot first peter fight, and unfortunately there is nothing illegal to what he did. Now the pushing was not legal, he could have few points deducted for that, but it was still dominant victory.Posted October 6, 2013 8:46 pm
You can’t be DQ’d unless you first get points taken. that is the Refs job, not Wlad’s. If the ref would have done his job wlad would have stopped the excessive clinching and it would have been a better fight. Blame the inept ref, but no you can’t be DQ’d without first being warned and had at least two points taken first. the article means the writer does not know the rules or what he is talking about. first study the rules before claiming someone should be DQ’d.Posted October 6, 2013 8:45 pm
Refs fault…Posted October 6, 2013 8:45 pm
Well, the referee let him get away with it, so why stop doing it?Posted October 6, 2013 8:38 pm
No. Boxing fans and major boxing networks know once again not to bother watching or showing a Klit Brothers fight. Wlad just showed the world why he’ll never be in the same league as the Golden Era HW’sPosted October 6, 2013 8:36 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
I love watching Wladimir Klitschko´s fights. He is extremely efficient and the best Heavyweight Boxer today. People complain about the way he fights, what I care about is that he wins and that he is dominant. He has not lost in over 9 years. Why should he try to act like Mike Tyson when the style he uses gets the job done? Congratulations on another masterful fight and another victory, Champ!Posted October 6, 2013 8:32 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
No.Posted October 6, 2013 8:32 pm
Povetkin not ready
was John the huggy bear Ruiz part of Wlad team now?
I font think the champion should be disqualified for holding, the ref just need to ward and deduct more points. I think Wlads haters would find any straws to grasp at this point. I guess Wlad just needs to accommodate his opponents to stop fighting outside, get inside and get hit on his questionable jaw to silence the critics.
Wlad is the beast heavyweight right now, love it or hate it. Povetkin is a good boxer, but he had no chance in this fight. The only fighter that may have a small chance is Wilder with his crazy punches, but then again he is wide open to counters.Posted October 6, 2013 8:30 pm
Didn’t do much holding in the fight with Wach. People still complained.Posted October 6, 2013 8:30 pm
Klitschko should sign that if he clinches more than once a round, hayden has to flash the crowd her tits. I may be ok with the fouling in that case.Posted October 6, 2013 8:28 pm
What a horrible waste of time. Here I was happy when I heard that this fight was included in the Cotto / Rodriguez fight but was quickly disappointed when the fight actually started. I’ve been tired of excessive clinching long before Wlad but he seems to be taking it to a whole new level. Ref should have put a stop to the nonsense. A good reminder that Wlad is not worth PPV money here in the Americas and I’m pretty sure the crowd watching live were pretty pissed too!Posted October 6, 2013 8:26 pm
Klits embarrassed himself last night with that weird display..!!!Posted October 6, 2013 8:26 pm
He might be champ and all but those little annoying tactics is what keeps him from us saying ” he’s a bad motha”Posted October 6, 2013 8:24 pm
There should be a rematch, with a honest ref, in america. The fight should be free for the fans. I want to be a judge.Posted October 6, 2013 8:23 pm
I knew it was going to suck I did not waste my time to watchPosted October 6, 2013 8:23 pm
Get someone to beat him and people won’t have to worry about it.Posted October 6, 2013 8:22 pm