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Sugar Ray

Ken Norton was part of the Big Four back in the 1970s that included Ali, Frazier and Foreman. Good fighter who gave Ali problems with his methodical croutching crab-like boxing style. He was the only heavyweight champion not to win the title in the ring. The WBC gave him the belt after Leon Spinks took the rematch with Ali instead of fighting his mandatory challenger. Shortly after becoming champion, he lost his title to Larry Holmes in a razor close historic 15-round fight. That fight got me hooked on boxing for life. Rest in peace champ.

Posted September 25, 2013 10:25 am 

It’s Me, Ernie


Posted September 24, 2013 2:52 pm 


Your as predictable as the sun setting.. You’ll never post anything worthwhile.

Posted September 23, 2013 9:58 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie


Posted September 22, 2013 9:11 pm 


Idiot Ernie.., FO turd

Posted September 22, 2013 6:26 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Tard, where’s your respect? There are other areas where you can post your nonsense, please give a great fighter his due…

Posted September 22, 2013 12:04 pm 


Ken Norton a great fighter RIP

Posted September 22, 2013 5:22 am 


Tark – U say Nutrition hasn’t changed since the 1960′s what the Fa ? Yes it has Tark nutrition has changed 10 fold. People today are stronger, faster and have better stamina because of nutrition. Tark are U nutritionally fed ? Give up the enema soda’s and all those toys u stick up your rear and get a clue. It been over 40 years since the sixtys wake the F up u fat terd !

Posted September 21, 2013 11:32 pm 


Nutrition hasn’t changed since the 1960’s… It’s still whole grains… Lean grass fed meats… range fed chicken and turkey… organically grown fruits and veggies… whole milk and cheese… organically grown beans, lentils, nuts, and seeds… bee pollen… royal jelly… The science is 90% the same thing.

People haven’t gotten much bigger either… Willard and Carnera were huge back in the 20’s and 30’s.

Posted September 21, 2013 2:12 pm 


T22…, “Realise that heavyweights are bigger these days due to a number of things like fast food or good nutrition. I would put someone like Larry Holmes if he were around now at 230 and Frazier would be around 220-225lbs.”

Frazier would be 200 today because he’d be a cruiserweight.. Frazier was a bat blob of butter at 214 for Foreman.. The fat on Joe jiggled like Jello.. Holmes weighed 209 for Norton and 213 for Witherspoon. Holmes would weigh about the same today.. Holmes was fat at 230..

Holmes was great. He was a master boxer. But he was FAT versus Ollie McCall. Bernard Hopkins is even older … and he’s NOT fat.

Posted September 21, 2013 2:05 pm 


i’m sure the boxing powers robbed this man enough to take a toll on his health

Posted September 21, 2013 11:50 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

I just watched the Will Smith film “Ali”. Why no mention of Ken Norton in it?

Posted September 21, 2013 10:43 am 


Tark- Also realise that heavyweights are bigger these days due to a number of things like fast food or good nutrition. I would put someone like Larry Holmes if he were around now at 230 and Frazier would be around 220-225lbs. I would have the 70’s version of the KBros at about 225 tops. By the way I think Mitchell is finished at top level. Unfortunately.

Posted September 21, 2013 6:37 am 


Tark Mitchell is going nowhere, even the slow plodded Wepner would be too tough for him.

Posted September 21, 2013 4:25 am 


Ram I am very handsome you would even like me.

Posted September 21, 2013 12:46 am 


lol !!!! Remy give it to Tark he deserves it. RIP Ken Norton you were the best

Posted September 21, 2013 12:36 am 


Tark you take it in deep down to the ballzzz don’t you. So deep he when your partner pulls out fecal corn bit matter are at the end of his small meat stick. You then grab that 3 incher and shove it in your mouth to lap it up like a dirty sleazebag. F U Tark U bastard !

Posted September 21, 2013 12:35 am 


Remy.., You’re as stupid and ugly as they come.. You have your father’s brains and you mother’s looks unfortunately.

Posted September 21, 2013 12:20 am 


Tark you really suck hard and swallow ! Michell u say has a long way to go ? Mitchell is done. Has been done. Was never there. What the bleep are u talking about ??? Pull your head out Tark and breathe some fresh air instead of your own poo stink !

Posted September 20, 2013 11:22 pm 


srminimo.., You have me a little older than I am.. and I think you’ll find the Holmes-Norton fight a lot different than you remember. But you have an open mind about maybe seeing it wrong — which is more than most.

Posted September 20, 2013 11:11 pm 


DeWayne Bobbick did beat Larry Holmes! Course that was amateur fight. At any rate RIP Mr. Norton– your fight with Holmes showed a lot of knackers on your part!

Posted September 20, 2013 11:10 pm 


T22.., Look.., Never in a million years would Bobick beat Mitchell.. Duane was too skinny, too slow, too awkward, and too unskilled—and he had a worse chin than Seth … Obviously Seth has a long way to go.. Not as far as Bobick had.

Holmes was a super skinny neophyte when he fought Bobick in the amateurs.. That fight has as much relevance as the 1st guys to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr or Guillermo Rigondeaux as amateurs. Kallie Knoetze, a neophyte, knocked Bobick out shortly after Norton did. Knoetze couldn’t even qualify to fight Holmes. He was a crude swinger.

Obviously Seth Mitchell’s career could continue to have terrible outcomes.. He started late, so he has to get the right trainer and work much harder at it.. Finished boxing skills don’t fall out of the sky.

Posted September 20, 2013 11:06 pm 


Tark- I remember seeing Norton-Holmes live and feeling the man had been robbed badly at the time but, to be honest, I was just a kid back then and I loved Norton, so my memory might be distorted. I don’t want to call you old, but I have a feeling you were working on your third marriage at that time:)
I’m fixing on watching that fight again, as i do remember it being one helluva fight.

Posted September 20, 2013 8:49 pm 


Tark- I agree with all your comments except Seth Mitchell being better than Duane Bobick. Im sure Bobick beat Larry Holmes in the amateurs. Seth couldnt beat Larry now at his age. I’d pick Duane over Seth all day long. Spot on about todays heavies. A lot of kids getting into boxing locally like Mayweather, Pacquiao. Khan, Haye etc but quite a few want the education and cite the K-Bros the inspiration for this. Nathan Cleverly and Juan Diaz got good education too which will get them other options other than boxing in the future.

Posted September 20, 2013 7:57 pm 

Cliff Richard


Posted September 20, 2013 6:55 pm 


Holmes-Norton wasn’t as close as the scores… But Norton DID beat Ali in all 3 fights. He nailed Ali a lot more consistently than he popped Young — and took far less punishment than he did against Holmes.

Posted September 20, 2013 6:20 pm 


PO Idiot Ernie…

Posted September 20, 2013 6:13 pm 

Cliff Richard

TARK is going “blah, blah, blah” again…

Posted September 20, 2013 5:56 pm 

Jonn E JaGozza

Ken Norton was an all time favorite of both mine and thousands of fans worldwide …Champ, you’ll be missed and REST IN PEACE !!! You did a lot for boxing and the sport and always, you were a gentleman … You’re a class act f that many will NOT be able to follow …..

Posted September 20, 2013 4:59 pm 


Ken Norton was one of my favorite fighters growing up. The man looked like the incredible Hulk and at the same time was humble and likable. People always talk about the Ali fights, but to me the Holmes fight was a bigger robbery.

Posted September 20, 2013 4:50 pm 



Posted September 20, 2013 3:50 pm 


Norton had a Floyd Mayweather style defense and often blocked right handers with his right… Big punchers often got Ken with follow up left hooks but his style worked well against boxers like Ali.

Not many of Ali’s jabs or rights got through Norton’s defense cleanly and Kenny landed better and harder in all 3 fights. It was really Ali’s reputation that got him one vote in the first fight and the win in fights 2 and 3.

Posted September 20, 2013 3:27 pm 


RIP Ken Norton – Heavyweight champion of the World

Posted September 20, 2013 3:13 pm 


Ken Norton was a classy classy champion, I don’t understand how some posters on this site can not show some respect and some CLASS, and just give a little tribute, it seems they have very fragile ego’s and have to bash everyone and everything in site, They are just like Hector Camacho’s ex wife and girlfriend fighting at hectors funeral, all ghetto and no class,

Ken Norton thank you for the thrills and chills you gave me as a young boxing fan growing up, You will always remain a favorite-PEACE

Posted September 20, 2013 2:28 pm 


i’ve alwsys thought Ken Norton was the epitomy of a true champion. He looked the part in the ring(awesome conditioning), and was a true gentleman outside of it. When I was around 14 years old Ken Norton came to Billings Montana and stopped by our boxing gym. It was the greatest thing I had ever personally seen! He was so gracious and took pictures with the whole team. He held me and another fighter from the team, one in each arm, and posed for a team picture. I was in awe of how huge his chest/arms were that he could just hold us in the air like a sack of potatoes! He stressed being in great shape for his success and I tried to always keep that in mind and train as hard as I could. He made an everlasting impretion on my and many others’ lives. He will be sorely missed. RIP champ. Ike out…

Posted September 20, 2013 1:35 pm 


Realistically, Norton won all 3 fights against Ali. Not by a huge margin, but he won all three fights.

Posted September 20, 2013 12:53 pm 

mean mug

hanks lost

Posted September 20, 2013 12:34 pm 


Anonymous is a little prick!!! with a liitle pr@k!! the pr@k

Posted September 20, 2013 12:16 pm 


one of my favorites /never ducked anyone/always in shape/willing to mix it up..helluva nice man c u when i get there r.i.p champ

Posted September 20, 2013 11:50 am 

Jonny C

I would like to see if someone could post the punch stats
for the Ali Norton 1, 2 and 3 fights.

Ali punched Norton most of the time on his back foot. These are half way punches at best. Norton was consistently on his front foot when hitting Ali
and double hooks while on the front foot. These
should count as power shots.

I believe that Norton clearly won all three bouts and a punch stat compiled by one of the authors and regulars and checked by another regular author
could help to prove this.


Posted September 20, 2013 11:40 am 

Da UnKnown Comic

Does anyone remotely care about Ken Norton, Jr?

Posted September 20, 2013 11:27 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Back to the tribute, God Bless Kenny Norton, you were an amazing athlete…

Posted September 20, 2013 11:19 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Leave it to Tark to try to spread his nonsense even at a tribute…

Posted September 20, 2013 11:18 am 


Please note that none other than Mike Tyson when asked about today’s heavyweights has stated that today’s fighters (boxers) are better than ever. Now for some that may be just another opinion, but it is the opinion of a man who has never been known to pull his punches.

Posted September 20, 2013 10:21 am 


R.I.P. CHAMP…I know theirs some guys who think this era was overrated.But having watched alot of modern era hvwts. recently I see guys over 30 or close to 30 with limited basic skills,slow and looking like amatures.Guys that have movement and the ring I.Q. of a slug.Ofcourse the k-bros have great ring IQ know how to win with what they have,and David Haye has a great skill level,but with a heart of a mouse compared to Frasier,Quarry.Overall most people like the era they grew up in and might at times look at it through rose colored glasses,but this era of hvwts. stood the test of time with strong solid fighters who knew how to move in the ring,and showed great heart aswell.

Posted September 20, 2013 9:52 am 

Charlie S

Rest in peace. Fight with Holmes was one of the best. Time for respect, not petty crap.

Posted September 20, 2013 9:29 am 

Marcy Brown

I love you Ken

Posted September 20, 2013 8:58 am 


Thanks for the memories Ken.

Posted September 20, 2013 8:34 am 


Nick name had to be included for dramatic effect

Posted September 20, 2013 6:52 am 


I am shocked we only have 32 comments on one of the seventies great heavyweights. The other thread only had a few too. Is it that there are only a few of us alive who lived in the era? i would have expected in the multiple hundreds for a fighter of Nortons stature, considering he fought most of the legends of the 70’s.

Posted September 20, 2013 5:55 am 


Tark you don’y really know what you’re talking about Evangelista. Indeed he was a tough contender, he was juste a better fighter than Mitchell. Evangelista lasted 7 round versus a prime Holmes, Mitchell would get his ass kicked in 1 against the same Holmes.

Posted September 20, 2013 4:32 am 



Posted September 20, 2013 3:58 am 


If these hw had half the heart and skill as the old school hw back in the then the division wouldnt be dead! Rip ken norton

Posted September 20, 2013 2:07 am 


Tark – There are way better fighters in that era than the ones u described. Come on Wepner, Ruddi Lubbers ? The heavys today are dead. The heavys was the supreme division. It’s what made boxing proud. We got the Klits that are so big with long arm length its hard for any fighter to get on the inside and beat these guys. Even a old Lennox Lewis in his last fight beat up Vitali. David Haye he sucks, what else is out there they all suck. Maybe u Tark need to look at the old heavys tapes and relive was great heavys used to be like.

Posted September 20, 2013 1:40 am 


Remy.., Blow yourself.. Nobody taking a look at you would want to.

Mitchell and Arreola are better than Evangelista or Wepner by 500%

They’re not even in the Top-10 but they still got a major TV audience and tons of comment because they’re both Americans… Duane Bobick sucked a lot worse than Mitchell… At least Seth is a great athlete who is big, strong, powerful, and fast… Obviously he needs a lot of skills but he’s better than the horrendous heavies of the 1970’s.

Like I said — the TOP-10 are undefeated Americans Wilder, Jennings, and Hanks.. Brits Haye and Fury.. and Easterners Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, and Thomas Adamek — who obviously beat Arreola without too many problems.

Posted September 20, 2013 1:05 am 


Nothing wrong with the heavyweight division today… The contenders have kept 2 Heavyweight Champions busier than one champion used to be in prior decades.

You have undefeated Americans Wilder, Jennings, and Hanks.. You have Brits Haye and Fury set to collide.. You have Easterners Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, and Thomas Adamek making up the TOP-10

That’s better than having Alfredo Evangelista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunn, Chuck Wepner, Leon Spinks, Ruddi Lubbers, Jergin Blinn, and other pathetic bums in your TOP-10 … GTFOOH

Posted September 19, 2013 11:55 pm 


Another great one leaves us. R.I.P, ken Norton.

Posted September 19, 2013 8:35 pm 


Met Kenny a number of times. Liked the way he used to needle Emile Griffith, who got mad and challenged him to a dual. Then everyone would start laughing. Funny think, the last thing I asked him was what was wrong with the heavyweights and boxing today. He stated that most “do not think in the ring” which my be why there are few standouts today. It is as simple as that. Some pics at Trufanboing if anyone interested

Posted September 19, 2013 8:32 pm 


Fights between: Foreman… Ali… Frazier… and Norton…

Foreman 3-1… Ali 5-2… Norton 1-3… Frazier… 1-4

Although all of Foreman’s wins were by KO… and Ali had 2 debatable wins.

Posted September 19, 2013 7:19 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Why are you guys sniping at Slater? The official announcement of Norton’s passing was already posted, he’d just putting in his 2 cents which is a legit follow-up to the news.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:45 pm 

Fight Aficionado

I never watched many of Norton’s fights unlike Ali and Frazier but it’s always sad when a boxer passes. First Frazier, now Norton. The era’s big men are passing. RIP.

Posted September 19, 2013 5:28 pm 

Turkish Boxing Fan

Rest in peace, Champ. 2 gone 2 left. Joe, Ken, Ali, George.

Posted September 19, 2013 4:29 pm 


RIP to one of the great heavyweights of the 70’s. Win, loose or draw, Ken was never in a dull fight. He either went out on his shield or his opponents would be. The really shame is that Ken will be remembered as the only heavyweight champion who never won a tittle bout. Even with that said, Ken was class and if he was in his prime today, no doubt he’d be a world champion. Prayers to him and his family. God bless Kenny Norton.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:53 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan to Mr. James Slater

Great article, Mr. Slater. I missed you when you were gone, I am glad that you are back writing here.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:52 pm 

Marc Livitz

Great article, James. I was in Vegas in May of last year to cover the Mayweather vs. Cotto fight as well. I spoke to Ken for about 20 minutes at that same memorabilia shop inside Mandalay Bay. He was a very soft spoken, kind & honest fella.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:45 pm 


What a great fighter what a great man always had time for the fans.RIP Ken.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:06 pm 


Is this what Slater does nowadays writes about his own personal memories of grat champs who have fallen.I note that ESB are using him less which for us boxing fans is great news.

Posted September 19, 2013 3:05 pm 

spartacus 65

A Damn good man has left us as a whole. Intelligent, dedicated to the principles of bettering yourself as a person, classy and just a thoroughly decent human being who in his own distinct way kent dignity to a sometimes brutal but nobel sport. Excellent competitor and fit.ess enthusiast. The boxing world has lost a real BIG part of it’s glorious past with the passing of Mr. Norton. My prayers to his family. R.I.P CHAMP.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:58 pm 


Man, what would Norton do to these stiffs masquerading as heavyweights today? Great fighter, great champion and a great man. RIP kenny.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:42 pm 

Op Amp

Ken Norton was one of the people I looked up to as a kid. When I was a kid, I looked at that guys build, and his obvious dedication to the gym, and I thought, THATS the build I want!!

I just celabrated my 13th year of lifting, and jogging! Thank you for the inspiration buddy! God bless, and may you RIP!

Posted September 19, 2013 2:39 pm 


Buba,s a BUM!!!

Posted September 19, 2013 2:38 pm 


Foreman says he feared Norton when he fought him because his physique was the perfect human specimen.

Posted September 19, 2013 2:37 pm 


Rest in Peace

Posted September 19, 2013 1:53 pm 


That 15 round war with Larry Holmes was one of the greatest heavy weight title fights ever. Only an absolute in his prime Larry Holmes could of beat you that night, and some will still argue that decision. RIP Kenny.

Posted September 19, 2013 1:04 pm 


Farewell Ken, your deeds in the ring will live on, your fans will miss you.

Posted September 19, 2013 11:44 am 

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