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te tumbo

if Margarito says he didn’t know that Capetillo’s insert was doctored he didn’t know. the difference is that (unlike “poor” Shane) Margarito “took his head out of his ass and took responsibility” when he conceded that ignorance was no excuse and took his punishment. Wtf has Mosley conceded except ignorance of ignorance and sheepish contrition that due to the vagaries of boxing’s “official” scorecards he’s “lost a few he should’ve won and won a few he should’ve lost”? by Tark’s standards he’s an unrepentant CHEAT but due to Tark’s double-standards he’ll never admit it.

Posted August 4, 2013 3:59 pm 


If Mosley says he didn’t know EPO was banned, he didn’t know… He never tested positive at any rate.. He specifically and repeatedly told Balco that he didn’t want to take anything that was illegal, and they assured him everything he was given was legal for Boxing.

That’s why Shane sued.

Posted August 3, 2013 3:52 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

LOL Brother Hidalgo.. Snail mutilation and murder is something that one does not endorse or encourage. But Gonzo understands that it was not your intention to do this and issues you with a pardon for this ghastly crime. Funny thing is I genuinely cannot recall seeing a single snail on my visit to the Peak District. lol

I don’t remember the name of the exact part of the Peak District we stayed in. However, if you go on to Youtube and type ‘Close Encounter at Ramshaw Rocks’ you’ll see an aerial view of the exact part where we were. We stayed in a little cottage just off that main road.

Posted August 3, 2013 2:52 pm 


No vultures however. Dammit!

Posted August 1, 2013 9:52 am 


Gonz, my wife’s sister and her husband live on a hill above a beautiful valley that has a train track running through the bottom of it. It’s one of those views that make artists want to paint. I can’t remember the name of the small town on the other side of the valley. But it’s definitely country. Oh, you were talking about the rain up there. Did you happen to notice how all the snails come out after a good rain? We went out to eat one afternoon. Decided to walk to a pub down the street to get some food and a drink. It started raining on the way there. Rain had stopped by the time we left but everything was very wet. But all the way home, we had a hard time avoiding all the snails that had crawled out onto the sidewalk to keep from drowning. There were tons of them. We crushed lots because we couldn’t avoid all of them while walking. Nasty. Still makes me grimace when I think about it.

Posted August 1, 2013 9:41 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit>It was pretty cool though.

Posted July 31, 2013 3:08 pm 


“Hidalgo: You had an answer to one of the science question someone put on a week or two ago. Well they came up again on the Vitali-stiverne article, do you still have the answer? Just wondering if yours was correct.”

Carlos, I don’t even remember which question I attemped to answer. LOL! I imagine I saved it thoug–just have to remember where. I never found out if I was correct or not because I don’t remember the correct answers being posted. I’ll have a look at the Vitali-Stiverne posts.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:55 am 

te tumbo

HIDALGO’S got the beat! Tark still struggles with consistency on the topic of cheating. if he likes a fighter (e.g., Shane or St. Pacquiao*) he rationalizes, apologizes, and swoons over his selective recall of their success and integrity. if he doesn’t like them (e.g., Margarito) his worst impulses emerge and he becomes the ornery old lady from the Ox-Bow Incident (“Get the Mex!?!”). never mind that i was able to seamlessly apply his own definition of contrition to Margarito, virtually verbatim. for whatever reason, Tark NEEDs to believe that Margarito is an unrepentant cheater and that Shane is a gullible pro unfamiliar with the practice of “juciing” and that Pacquiao* is a naïve country-boy who doesn’t know that drinking, drugging, gambling, and womanizing is wrong or that Random and MUTUALLY-Applied testing is harmless. (lol) . . . oh brother . . .

Posted July 31, 2013 10:51 am 


Hidalgo: You had an answer to one of the science question someone put on a week or two ago. Well they came up again on the Vitali-stiverne article, do you still have the answer? Just wondering if yours was correct.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:21 am 


“Hidalgo… I don’t think Mosley ever deliberately cheated.. ”

Mosley confessed that he did take injections from Balco but claimed he didn’t know what was in them and that’s why he sued Conte. Mosley admitted taking EPO before a grand jury but said he had no idea the substance was banned.

When Mosley sued Conte, Conte uploaded a video of Mosley’s 2009 deposition in the case. Conte did this to prove that Mosley knew all along what he was taken and being given. In the deposition Mosley was asked:

Question: “And you knew you–you took EPO that day on July 26, 2003, correct?
Mosley: “Yes.”

Question: “…prior to going to the Grand Jury in December of 2003, did you know you were taking EPO, yes or no?”
Mosley: “Yes.”

I find it hard to believe that Mosley never knew that he was taking a banned substance. Especially after taking it over such a long period of time.

Posted July 31, 2013 9:25 am 


“Why the hell would someone who lives in a beautiful scenic place like California want to come over here? ”

LOL, Gonzo. Well, I do like the British countryside. Most of my wife’s family–and it’s a huge one–has visited us here in the U.S. I’ve only been to England twice since we’ve been married. I wouldn’t mind having a summer cottage in the country there. One of my in-laws lives in the Peak District. I liked that area. Interesting how the Brits have piled up every stone in the countryside and made it a wall. Well, I guess you can do that when you have a lot of stones laying around. :)

Posted July 31, 2013 9:09 am 


Hidalgo… I don’t think Mosley ever deliberately cheated.. He was mislead by Balco Labs like so many other athletes.. He never tested positive for any steroids but they gave him a “vitamin rub” explaining it was like a B-12 vitamin shot that became infused with the body better.. Mosley said anything that Balco gave him hurt him… made him a worse fighter… negatively affected his reflexes… so he got away from them… Shane sued Balco and Victor Conte because he explicitly told them he DIDN’T want to do anything unfair or illegal. Shane Mosley is a man of high character who would never cheat..

Mosley… “Balco never helped me.. They lied to me.. I did much better the 1st time I fought Oscar and beat him more convincingly. Anything Balco gave me only slowed me down.”

Posted July 31, 2013 12:27 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit> You’re welcome. I reside in the city of London Brother Hidalgo

Posted July 30, 2013 11:47 pm 


I meant ghetto fighters.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:59 pm 


yeah broner is less than Paulie , were talking BIG LEAGUES here and not street fighters wanna be’s.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:58 pm 


broner will ko this guy broner is no berto

Posted July 30, 2013 8:43 pm 


“Hidalgo…. Cheato Rito fought four (4) times since he was exposed as a cheater, not 3 times.” That is correct Tark. I was talking about since Mosley beat him. But you are correct. But like I said, still no one knows whether Mosley was on PEDS for his fight with Margarito. And, there is no way in hell anyone can say with any credibility that Margarito wasn’t mentally affected by being exposed as a cheater before his big fight with Shane Mosley. Yeah, Mosley worked him over, but Mosley is also a confessed cheater. Cheating is cheating. Two cheaters fought each other and one won. So now Mosley is something special because he beat Margarito? Or because he exposed him? I wonder how many fights Mosely was juiced up for before he was exposed as a cheater? Yet, he doesn’t get half the flack or disgrace that Margarito does. And Mosley hasn’t been able to do squat in the ring since he confessed to doing PEDs. So who really beat Margarito? Mosley or PEDs?

Posted July 30, 2013 8:22 pm 


Broner is a clown that has weak defense! Pillow fisted Paulie ouched him more than a keyboard…Karass has the awkward punch arsenal to give Broner serious problems!!! Plus he’s a huse Welterweight

Posted July 30, 2013 7:44 pm 

te tumbo

perhaps the biggest difference between Margarito and the unrepentant cheaters that Tark selectively ignores is that Margarito wasn’t convicted of anything. he was suspended despite the “inconclusive” findings of the Bureau of Forensic Services at the California Department of Justice asked to examine Capetillo’s inserts. Tony explained that he was unaware of any illegal tampering with the inserts. however, he also conceded that it was his responsibility to know exactly what his fists were being wrapped with – and not just depend on his trainer. so he admitted he was responsible and paid the price — but it’s not as if he was trying to cheat, he just wasn’t aware enough … “just like Roy Jones was responsible when he drank the Ripped Fuel his trainer gave him.. it’s a matter of getting your head out of your ass and taking responsibility”, e.g., “I’m guilty. These are my hands,” Margarito said during the CSAC hearing to renew his license. “Whatever is placed on them, I am responsible for that. I would like to ask for another chance, to guarantee this will never happen again. Had I known there was something in those wrappings, I would never step in the ring. Now, I am on top of it. I am completely involved with hand wrapping. I know this is MY RESPONSIBILITY”. the CSAC and Tony’s-Haters expected Tony to grovel, beg, and LIE to satisfy their lynch-mob impulses. Kind of how pigs wring false confessions from innocent suspects. instead, not even with his career hanging in the balance would Tony do anything more than accept Full responsibility for a severe lapse in judgement. Tony may or may not be a “cheat” but one thing we do know is that he’s no groveling P***Y or Snitch. Margarito can hold his mug high among true fight-fans.

Posted July 30, 2013 6:18 pm 


one boxing chaMP EVERY DIVISON

Posted July 30, 2013 5:34 pm 


What titlest in his division,is he capable of beating?He could put up a courageous battle but surely it would surprise even more if he could beat the Elite.He did beat one fadeing elite.

Posted July 30, 2013 5:00 pm 

te tumbo

not a single one of Tark’s scenarios can be directly attributed to anything other than Shane being juiced (it wasn’t the stationary Shane that was compelled to test v. Mayweather a year later) and Pacquiao’s* quickness and mobility being kryptonite to Tony’s plodding style. otherwise, Cotto did plenty of damage v. Margarito in their first bout. it didn’t prevent Margarito from imposing his will in the later rounds, which is what was beginning to unfold in the rematch. also, Tony never had “KO power”. his KO/TKOs were overwhelmingly of the attrition variety. opponents simply not being able to stand and punch with Tony for 12 rounds like Omar Figueroa was able to v. Arakawa. outclassing Margarito for 4, 6, even 8 rounds is not enough to prevail v. Margarito over 12 rounds. THAT was Antonio “El Tornado” Margarito’s fight-profile NOT that of a KO puncher able to end a bout early. that’s the original Cheato.

Posted July 30, 2013 3:25 pm 


Your right he hasn’t been the same fighter after that loss. Pretty terrible that Margacheato took some of the prime years away from a great fighter like Cotto. Terrible.

Posted July 30, 2013 1:34 pm 


Hidalgo…. Cheato Rito fought four (4) times since he was exposed as a cheater, not 3 times.

1. Shane Mosley easily out-boxed him every round because the defanged Cheato had nothing to hold him off. And angry Mosley wanted to punish and finish Cheato – and that’s what he did..

Now let’s remember that Miguel Cotto outboxed and beat a younger Mosley. Cotto’s reach is much shorter but he out-jabbed Shane.

2. Cheato’s KO power continued to be absent as he won a decision over a cherry-picked opponent who had zero accomplishments.

3. Pacquiao eased up noticably on a badly battered Cheato because the fans, and even the referee, wanted him to murder the lying cheat.

4. Cotto did what he would have done in their first fight. Easily jabbed and hooked Cheato at will, completely closing Cheato’s right eye, and forcing the referee to call a stoppage … Complete domination.

Posted July 30, 2013 1:17 pm 


Soto vs Thurman next.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:39 pm 


Oh ok thanks Hildago… Too many damn belts smh…. It seems like damn near everybody in the division has a belt.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:13 pm 


Mag, I believe he’s holding up the NABF belt that he just won by defeating Berto. The NABF welterweight title was vacant and Berto and Soto-Karass were fighting for it.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:23 am 

te tumbo

Btw, when i look at the damage to Cotto and Margarito’s mugs following their first fight, it’s either equal with Margarito looking a bit worse for wear. neither look as bad as Berto or Provodnikov following their losses to Guerrero and the lighter-hitting Bradley and both were the result of unrelenting pressure bolstered by indomitable chins and jaws. all of the circumstantial evidence indicates that Tony’s defeat of Cotto was a Legit as they come.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:08 am 

te tumbo

IMO, any malfeasance is the result of Capetillo’s desperation to continue winning with Margarito. several HOF trainers agree that it is relatively easy for a trainer to stuff a doctored pad underneath the handwraps of their trusting fighter during the handwrapping process. no diabolical or ingenious mastermind at work here. just a devious trainer desperate to keep collecting the big paydays for the first time in his career. anyway, Margarito swallows the maximum penalty allowable and returns to be judged by his peers in a boxing ring. common sense dictates that those are NOT the actions of a guilty person. besides, Margarito never relied on KO power to prevail in his fights. only non-stop and unrelenting pressure bolstered by an indomitable chin and jaw. that is the legacy of Margarito among fight-fans who appreciate real Fighters.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:01 am 

te tumbo

“There may be zero evidence of that fight . . .” I rest my case. in fact, there is more circumstantial evidence to confirm the legitimacy of Tony’s “W” v. Cotto than there is to condemn him for cheating v. Mosley. meanwhile, Cotto hasn’t been the same fighter since his loss to Margarito either. aside from set-ups v. Foreman and Mayorga, he’s lost to every other top-notch fighter he’s faced. an equally-damaged Margarito lost to Pacquiao* but was deprived of his chance to replicate his previous win v. Cotto by the timely actions of Arum’s ringside doctor. who intervened when a defensive and visibly-concerned Cotto displayed obvious signs of wilting and folding again and had actually stopped inflicting damage to Tony’s eye. however, NObody, especially Arum or Tony’s-Haters, give a crap about Margarito’s long-term health. if that were the case, the bout would’ve never been confirmed. instead, it was to prop-up Cotto’s remaining marketability. i always asserted that Cotto’s career was incomplete unless he rematched Margarito. he finally did but his “W” is tainted by the pre-fight antics and sympathetic stoppage. the results of their first bout remains the memorable legacy of their rivalry.

Posted July 30, 2013 10:51 am 


Well he couldn’t do the same to Cotto as he did before. He busted Cottos face up something serious the first fight and in the 2nd he didn’t do that. He never once hurt Mosley and he could only hurt Pac to the body. Every other fighter he fought before he was caught he was brutalizing there face, splitting someone’s ear. That wasn’t happening anymore

Posted July 30, 2013 10:47 am 


Can someone please explain to me why is Karass holding a belt in the pic?? What belt did they fight for??

Posted July 30, 2013 9:38 am 


Canelo can defend because the Trout fight proved it.. He emerged fresh, and without a mark on him — unlike ATG Miguel Cotto when he faced Trout … He got ripped.

Tark with your comments above, you are sounding like a groupie keen to get in the mix with Canelo. We’re all wondering if they done messed up your meds.

Posted July 30, 2013 7:44 am 


“once he was found out to be a cheat he couldn’t knock anybody else out. Is that a coincidence?”

Peej, who is “anybody else?” Margarito has only fought three times since he was exposed as a cheater, and two of those times was against two of the best fighters in the world at that time: Pacquiao and Cotto. And who’s to know if Mosley was on PEDs when he TKO’d Margarito? Margarito hasn’t fought enough since his loss to Mosley in 2009 to determine if he lost his knockout power. I mean, did anyone think he would knock out Manny Pacquiao? I sure didn’t. But a lot of people still thought he was going to get Miguel Cotto. In fact plenty of boxing fans and some experts thought it was going to be deja vu for Cotto and plenty also thought Margarito would have stopped him again had their second fight not been stopped because of damage to Marg’s eye. Margarito was still hurting him in that fight. He hit Cotto a lot.

Hell, in their first fight Margarito landed only 4% more punches on Cotto than he did in their second fight. Cotto landed the same percentage in both fights. Yet both Cotto and Margarito threw significantly less punches in their second fight than their first.

Now, if Marg had ten fights since fighting Mosley and all he could do was lose or win by Decision, then one could more credibly say Margarito “couldn’t knock anybody out.” But four fights in four years doesn’t prove much.

Posted July 30, 2013 2:42 am 


Right….. Cheato Rito fought a no-name setup bum and couldn’t stop him.. Then he got thrashed and trashed by every good fighter he faced.

Good point PEEJ.

Posted July 29, 2013 11:28 pm 


There may be zero evidence of that fight but there was in the Mosley fight and once he was found out to be a cheat he couldn’t knock anybody else out. Is that a coincidence? I doubt it. Not to mention he has lost to everybody who he has fought except for the no name come back fight he had.

Posted July 29, 2013 8:46 pm 


The Clottey Fight was no mystery. I predicted exactly what would happen on THIS site before the Fight even happened. Roach must’ve seen what I saw and told Pacquiao to just keep throwing punches. Clottey uses that turtle defense where both hands are occupied on Defense. He doesn’t throw any punches until his opponent stops throwing….So WHY stop throwing then???? Pacquiao likes to throw 5, 6, 7, and 8 punch combinations anyway SO Clottey was made to order for him. MY exact words were “He won’t pull his gun out of his holster because he’ll be TOO busy trying to block shots…..He must’ve thought that Defense WINS Fights instead of Offense… Next time don’t listen to TARK. Listen to ME.

Posted July 29, 2013 6:49 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Turbo-Hamster is a stud…

Posted July 29, 2013 6:38 pm 

te tumbo

there is ZERO evidence to indicate that Margarito defeated Cotto with anything other than superior fighting ability. in fact, Soto Karass looked no better following his win over Berto; Berto looked worse after losing to Guerrero; and Provodnikov looked a LOT worse following his defeat v. Bradley. ultimately, BOTH Tony and Cotto inflicted almost identical damage to each other during their bout. Cotto couldn’t avoid it and Margarito wouldN’T. neither were the same fighters following their memorable showdown. that is the sober and factual analysis of the Margarito v. Cotto fight. everything else should be posted to an online gossip rag.

Posted July 29, 2013 5:49 pm 


BTW, Gonzo, I would have looked you up on my planned trip to the UK this summer but due to my oversight my passport had expired. Last November! Anyways, sent it off in the mail two weeks ago to be renewed. I expecting my new passport any day now. Still, if I go to England next year it won’t be until the summer. Probly around the beginning to middle of July. Depends on my wife’s schedule.

Posted July 29, 2013 5:43 pm 


“Thanks, Gonzo my friend. On my next trip to England I’m buying the next five pints. BTW, my relatives-in-law live in Bolton, Manchester, and London. Tell me again where you are?

Posted July 29, 2013 5:40 pm 


“his lack of Offense gave him NO chance of WINNING it though” I’m thinking there was a lot more to the Pacquiao/Clottey fight than we know about. Weird how Clottey went into a shell for about five straight rounds–he had never done that in any other fight in his career. He was also boxing Pac fairly well until he decided to clam up and stop throwing punches. Granted, Pac nailed him a couple times real good which caused Clottey’s knees to buckle at least once but that was some strange performance put on by Clottey. And remember Clottey is one tough mofo. He’s got a chin of iron and he’s always in top physical condition for a fight. It wasn’t a “lack of offense” that caused Clottey to lose, it was that he stopped fighting and went into that cover-up defense for almost half the fight. Really a strange performance by Clottey.

Posted July 29, 2013 5:39 pm 


Hey Tark, I hear what your saying but Cotto was much older when he fought Trout and Canelo never got beaten with plaster of paris which yes hasnt been proven but too much proof imo was there… Cotto was really ring worn. Canelo is young and hasnt got hit yet… I say someone like GGG would seriously hurt Canelo if he dropped down to 154 to face him… I also think Canelo is missing something… No way a fighter who cant hurt him like Trout, should have gotten away, Canelo should have taken Trouts head off… I think Canelo has pop but not that one punch power or outstanding skills. Alot of that show boating hands down D wouldnt work with hard punchers or elite boxers… Dont think we will see him dropping his hands vs. Floyd.

Posted July 29, 2013 4:58 pm 

Anal is NOT contraception

Correct me if I’m wrong square head, but did you not greet murderman the other day with the words ‘what up playboy’. Lmfao you don’t talk like ‘that’????? Hahahaha what a vag

Posted July 29, 2013 4:45 pm 

Perv spotter

Tark seems to have the same thang that Old Yank had for Pavlick. Hmmm.

Posted July 29, 2013 4:37 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

lol Gonz.

Posted July 29, 2013 4:27 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Correcta-mong-o.. I’m a lock for the best poster in the history of this site, whereas you’re something similar sounding but starts with a C instead of an L. You can keep the L though.. Every single one of you imbeciles who dares to rare up at the mighty Gonzo ends up walking away with an L.

Posted July 29, 2013 4:25 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

And don’t think you’re getting your grubby little paws on those ranking points either. You’re even lower down the pecking order than Correcta-Mong-o

Posted July 29, 2013 4:20 pm 


I would like to see Soto Karass vs Cotto

Posted July 29, 2013 4:18 pm 


Squared Circle-Damn I just amazed myself again!! I SPANKED you SO bad that you don’t even realize that you got SPANKED….Thats called CLOBBERING your opponent.

Posted July 29, 2013 4:17 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street):

Even guys as bright as 20-watt light bulb should be able tell that the post below about jail and cutting people with knives was NOT me. I don’t write like an idiot and certainly never talk that way.

That is just my STALKER/TROLL-BOY again who appears to be obsessed with me in strangely homo-erotic sort of way. He can’t beat me in a debate, so gets mad like a petulant little brat and resorts to these dirty, underhanded tactics. Face me like a man, you gutless COWARD of a weasel!

Posted July 29, 2013 3:39 pm 


square circle lion lking should be banned

Posted July 29, 2013 3:05 pm 


Squared Circle-NOPE. I’m a pathological TRUTH teller and FACT stater. That’s why you haven’t been able to refute anything that I’ve SAID. Like those that came before you, you must resort to personally attacking ME since you can’t attack the FACTS that I’m stating……But personally attacking ME is irrelevant. The FACTS that I’m stating is what’s relevant…..The FACT is that Soto-Karrass took the split haired WIN as I CORRECTLY called!!!……Glory! Glory! HALLELUJAH!!!!! I am CORRECT yet again!!!!!

Posted July 29, 2013 1:37 pm 


James, I have what I consider a legitimate question for you, when I try to post something with a little criticism in it, no curse words, just my opinion on genuine boxing matters, you won’t let it be posted,but, you continue to keep posting all this cursing and threats by dirty mouthed , so called boxing fans, the only people they impress is themselves, this is not a site for wannabe tough guys, well not to my knowledge, I was under the impression it’s a site to comment on boxing and boxers. Just my thoughts.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:45 pm 


WOW. I just checked the compubox numbers and Clottey probably broke the record for most shots Effectively Defended. He blocked almost 1000 punches. WOW!! Pacquiao only landed 246 out of 1231. TOO bad Defense doesn’t WIN Fights though. Offense DOES.

Posted July 29, 2013 3:21 am 


gonzo the moron-born forgot his pills, please, understand the incoherence.

Posted July 29, 2013 3:01 am 


No worries Bozo. I’m 58 levels ABOVE you. And my points can’t be counted anymore anyway. I’ve surpassed numbers and now I’m into letters. I’ve already got my G, O, A, and T. Post for 10 more YEARS and you may get your G, R, E, A, and T.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:57 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

And don’t you try and pull none of that alias crap either. Gonzo is very tight with the mods and they’ll come running straight to him if they see any funny business going on. You got more chance of getting laid with a hot chick than you do of getting your hands on them points. Real talk.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:56 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Just stop! Persistence will get you nowhere. Rules is rules bro.. Without order there is chaos.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:52 am 


…and that’s the only reason Clottey stayed IN the Fight with Pacquiao. ..because of his Defense…his lack of Offense gave him NO chance of WINNING it though….Same as Kevin Johnson vs Vitali Klitschko. NO Offense equals NO WINS. NO Defense equals NO WIN AND you get knocked out….unless you face someonewwho’s Defense is even POORER than your own of course.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:49 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Sorry, that offer doesn’t apply to posters below tier 58 I’m afraid. Sorry ’bout that bro.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:48 am 


“Defense is what actually wins fights at this level.. Defense keeps you in a fight against anybody in the game.”-Half TRUE and Half FALSE. TRUE that Defense keeps you IN Fights but Offense WINS it. YOU should know that. You’re the one who touts effective punching as the determining factor…not effective Defending…IF that was the case then Clottey beat Pacquiao. He defended MUCH better than Pacquiao DID in that Fight. Just didn’t mount much Offense.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:43 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Brother Hidalgo is one of the best posters on this site. He’s a second-tier poster along with the likes of Brother Ernie, Brother Turbo-Hamster, Brother Bears, Brother Adrian, Brother Lion King, Brother Junior, Brother Rich among others.. I know I’m forgetting quite a few of you too.. apologies for that it’s gone 7:00 in the morning over here and I’ve been up all night watching my Andre Ward career set and trying to fix a broken external hard driven (it had to be my favourite one that packed up too.. I’ve got about 300 Tera Patrick flicks on that one, and some very rare Henry Akinwande amateur footage as well).

The first tie of posters on here consists of me and me alone BTW. And there’s a huge drop off between the first and second tiers too, although you still have to be truly exceptional to make it up to the second tier. You have to have amassed a bare minimum of at least 2,000,000 ESB ranking points before you’re promoted up to the second tier. Don’t ask me how many I’ve amassed over the years.. I’ve never been the type to blow my own trumpet. Let’s just say I have more points than there are ants in the Amazon rain forest and leave it at that.

Here’s 1,000,000 of my own personal ESB ranking points completely gratis for the next person who posts after this one.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:41 am 


Floyd is finally fighting a young super star at long last.. I wouldn’t call Diego Corrales a super star because he couldn’t defend.. I wouldn’t call Zab Judah a super star because he couldn’t defend either… Oscar De La Hoya wasn’t young… Ricky Hatton couldn’t defend… Shane Mosley wasn’t young.. Juan Manuel Marquez wasn’t a young super star, and not a real WW at the time either.. But that is probably Floyd’s signature win of his whole life … That, De La Hoya, and Cotto. Those 3 fights are really Floyd’s only super wins.

However all those fights left a bad taste because they couldn’t extend Floyd.

But Canelo Alvarez is young.. He’s great.. he’s a super star.. and he can defend himself.. That’s going Tommy Hearns one better — because Tommy couldn’t defend screaming right hands that ripped into his chin — and knocked him TFO — by guys like 15 times beaten Iran Barkley. I will say that if hapless swinger like Barkley knocks you FLAT … you can’t defend… Canelo can defend. He’s a much better defender than Corrales, Cotto, De La Hoya, or even Marquez.

Canelo can defend because the Trout fight proved it.. He emerged fresh, and without a mark on him — unlike ATG Miguel Cotto when he faced Trout … He got ripped.

Posted July 29, 2013 1:48 am 


N if you were addressing hidalgo call him out like a man instead of hiding clown!

Posted July 29, 2013 1:40 am 


BTW, stop drinking that cheap beer.

Posted July 29, 2013 1:31 am 


Murderman, the “intimidated” part was for the know-it-all Hidalgo. My advice to you is don’t try to think too hard or you’re gonna hurt yourself; don’t forget you have a brain cells deficiency.

Posted July 29, 2013 1:29 am 


“f you knew anything about boxing you wouldn’t feel so intimidated by me. You know, you’re welcome to act like a know-it-all if you want to.” intimidated? Because I see you as an irritating poster? That makes little sense since we have a lot better posters than you and they don’t bother me. As for me acting like a know-it-all, NO thanks, that’s very annoying as you prove with your comments, again and again.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:57 am 


Floyd is SO GREAT that he is the only man in the History of Boxing where the fans cry FARCE when he faces subpar opponents. Why didn’t anyone cry FARCE when Malignaggi faced Broner who was a LW coming UP for HIS first WW bout like they DID when Floyd faced Marquez for HIS first WW bout???? Because Malignaggi is not the GOAT. Thats why.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:25 am 


I would like to see Kieth Thurman vs Karass… Thurman isn’t ready for a title fight.. He’s not ready for Broner.. I say he needs 3 more fights and Karass is the perfect next opponent for him to beat the crap out of.. Thurman’s offense is spectacular but He needs to polish up his defense.. He will have to defend like crazy against Karass … Defense is what actually wins fights at this level.. Defense keeps you in a fight against anybody in the game.

That’s why they told Canelo Alvarez before the Austin Trout fight… “Defend… defend… defend… and defend.. This MFer throws a ton of punches.. So if you can make him lead, reach, lung, miss, and crack him with sharp counters, and make him hesitate … you’ll wrap up the fight by the 8th round.”

Posted July 29, 2013 12:23 am 


IF Soto-Karass is Floyd’s mandatory like Guerrero was then Floyd will happily SPANK him….of course the fans will cry FARCE though.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:20 am 


“Hidalgo is an annoying know-it-all.” Well aren’t you a piece of work, nameless? All you have to offer to these boards is insults and whining. If you knew anything about boxing you wouldn’t feel so intimidated by me. You know, you’re welcome to act like a know-it-all if you want to. But first you have to know something.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:17 am 


“Give him a chance.” Kid Blast, I like to watch Soto-Karass fight because he is always game. But he’ll have to really show something over an extended period of time to prove he is beyond is partying ways–old habits die very hard. But Berto was getting hit with a lot of punches that he shouldn’t have. Berto is so lost right now, he doesn’t even know who or what he is as a boxer any more. And that showed in this fight. That’s why Soto-Karass was able to hit him so much–not because Soto-Karass is improving but because Berto is just plainly lost. He has lost confidence in himself. He has lost confidence in his ability. He doesn’t know how he should be fighting anymore. Personally, I think Hunter made a big mistake sticking him in with Soto-Karass as his first fight since he started training with Hunter. Soto-Karass is just too damn tough and relentless. And even though he’s not an elite-level boxer, Soto-Karass can fight. Even so, I thought Berto would pull out a Decision win over Soto-Karass. I had no idea Berto was so far lost as a fighter.

But I tell you what, Berto’s performance in this fight gives even more creedence to my opinion that Guerrero was NOT the best available opponent for Mayweather and also that he had no business being in the ring with Floyd. Guerrero beat Berto. So what. Guerrero is one of the most over-rated fighters in recent boxing history that I can remember. Soto-Karass TKOd Berto. But do you think Floyd will be lining up a fight with Soto-Karass? You know he won’t.

Anyways, I’m thinking a Soto-Karass/Provodnikov matchup would be a helluva fight.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:13 am 


murderman, do everybody a favor and STFU.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:03 am 


Title shot? Soto will get murdered by alexander, thurman, and may! His best chance would be against bradley. Like berto he is smallish n even worse has no power! He maybe able to beat him. The other champs will easily ko him!

Posted July 28, 2013 11:52 pm 


“You toked on your victory roll up golden virginia, you can’t afford a cigar.”-GOOD guess but wrong. I just told you the TRUTH and you still got it wrong. They call that STUPIDITY.

Posted July 28, 2013 10:49 pm 


Boxing is not a I fought my heart out let me get a title shot sport. You have to earn it by winning. Not losing

Posted July 28, 2013 10:35 pm 

Hamlet to be or not to be

You toked on your victory roll up golden virginia, you can’t afford a cigar.

Posted July 28, 2013 10:27 pm 


And YES I toked on My Victory Cigar last night for Thurman’s CORRECTLY called stoppage and Soto Karass’s split haired WIN.

Posted July 28, 2013 10:24 pm 


I took Soto Karass for the split haired WIN. THAT rings a bell.

Posted July 28, 2013 10:18 pm 

The Jackal

Master of disguise or not.

Posted July 28, 2013 9:58 pm 

Me Myself and I

Who cares.

Posted July 28, 2013 9:57 pm 


Seriously have mental issues. This guy has like three names. Maybe I’m him too ha ha ha ha ha ha


Posted July 28, 2013 9:48 pm 


Below ring a bell Wrongamumdo? Yeah yeah we know it was a groupie/fAker/boxtradamus/fan/troll or whatever.


I’ll take Berto by stoppage. Soto-Karass’s Defense is even LESSER than Berto’s. And his firepower is LESSER TOO.

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Posted July 28, 2013 9:39 pm 


By the way Soto Karass got the split haired WIN as I CORRECTLY called!! I would have given Berto at least 8 seconds before waving it off. That’s called a SISSYFIED stoppage…but again we’re splitting hairs there. The LOSS was imminent

Posted July 28, 2013 9:30 pm 


Soto Karass is a GOOD tune UP for a CHAMP. Ortiz and Guerrero got a shot after beating Berto SO why not Soto Karass?? He DID what Ortiz and Guerrero couldn’t DO. Stop Berto.

Posted July 28, 2013 9:26 pm 

third world

put him in with “one time” keith thurman.

Posted July 28, 2013 8:17 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Soto-Karass has lost five of his last ten fights. He’s certainly one of the toughest boxers around but he’s nowhere near the best nor will he do well against the best. He got stopped by Maidana” – Hildago, you make a valid point for Maidana getting his shot first. But Soto-Karass is a guy who often fought with short notice and always fought his heart out. A pro’s pro. Boxing needs more guys like him and given there’s 4 titles up for grabs plus whatever lame interims are out there, nobody should have a problem with Soto-Karas getting a shot.

Posted July 28, 2013 7:03 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Well said, Slater. Soto Karass is always game, prepared and most importantly, professional. I’ve seen many of his fights the last 3 years and always found myself rooting him on even though he’s usually the less talented guy in the ring. Shows hard work and balls > talent. So while he’s not the best contender out there I’d be happy if he got his title shot. He deserves the payday, and the opportunity to prove us wrong again.

Posted July 28, 2013 7:00 pm 


Please, don’t call What Berto uses the shoulder roll because he doesn’t use the shoulder and he doesn’t roll, what he does should be called the turd defense because he stays stiff like a turd taking shots to the head.

Posted July 28, 2013 6:40 pm 

mr gav

Soto v khan? I really can’t see khan besting Alexander, and after sotos stakes have rising it will give khan a fight he can win as to be honest he can’t beat any of the elite fighters and besides both khan and Soto would make a great fight! And Thurman is looking good hes not to far from world title shot. As fir berto not sure he needs to sort out his shoulder but hope to see him again soon

Posted July 28, 2013 6:32 pm 


hows about giving Maidana a shot first?

Posted July 28, 2013 6:00 pm 


Pure efforts and guts alone don’t get you title or championship fights. You actually have to win also

Posted July 28, 2013 5:59 pm 


Berto was and has always only been so good. He’s not as good as people have hyped him to be. Berto topped out a few fights ago.

Posted July 28, 2013 5:35 pm 


On pure effort and guts, I dont know of manyt fightrers more desrving than Soto Karass – guy puts 110% into every fight.

Posted July 28, 2013 5:30 pm 


Soto look good yesterday i don’t think he deserves a title shot but maybe 2 more big wins should do it. soto vs ortiz or guerrero should be good i think soto will breakdown ortiz will but with guerrero it should be a war

Posted July 28, 2013 4:49 pm 


Hidalgo is an annoying know-it-all.

Posted July 28, 2013 4:45 pm 


“Hidalgo, as usual you make good points…” whaaaaaaaaat?

Posted July 28, 2013 4:41 pm 


Regardless of the P4P list he was the lineal 147lb champ and that is the only reason that Floyd fought him

Posted July 28, 2013 4:34 pm 


Why wouldn’t he. If he could beat those three fighters, especially Alexander and Bradley that would pretty much put him in front of everyone else at 147 unless Bradley loses to Marquez

Posted July 28, 2013 4:13 pm 


And Im sure if Soto Karass could get by Broner/Alexander/Bradley somehow, Floyd will jump at the opportunity to fight him

Posted July 28, 2013 3:56 pm 


Difference between Soto and Boldomire was that Boldomire held the lineal welterweight championship and that’s the only reason Floyd fought him

Posted July 28, 2013 3:56 pm 


The only reason the 2 fighters that beat Berto got a to. Fight with Floyd was because he held a title or the interim title and the WBC ranked them the mandatory. Floyd really only defends the WeBeCrooks belt. This time there was no title except for the NABF belt or something like that on the line. Soto is a gate keeper and that’s it

Posted July 28, 2013 3:55 pm 


Soto Karass reminds me of carlos baldomir, right before he stepped up to fight floyd and lost badly. Having said that, I wouldnt mind seeing Soto Karass fight Broner/Alexander/Bradley

Posted July 28, 2013 3:53 pm 

Kid Blast

Hidalgo, as usual you make good points, but Soto has changed a lot in the last year. He used to be a party animal but now has rededicated himself. His ability to use tremendous punch volume with unorthodox angles makes him a compelling kind of crowd pleaser. Give him a chance.

Posted July 28, 2013 3:50 pm 


Soto-Karass has lost five of his last ten fights. He’s certainly one of the toughest boxers around but he’s nowhere near the best nor will he do well against the best. He got stopped by Maidana and he was stopped by Rosado. For Pete’s sake the guy has lost eight times in 39 fights, and most of those losses were within the last 3 1/2 years. The guy gets hit too much. Even worthless crippled Berto was tagging him enough to show that Soto-Karass is only just good enough to be where he is at right now.

Posted July 28, 2013 3:28 pm 


Sure why not – Deontay Wilder has fought absolutely pathetic competition and a title shot is being discussed for him!!

Posted July 28, 2013 3:14 pm 


BIG FOOT – HA!….that was great

Posted July 28, 2013 3:03 pm 


By tradition doesn’t anyone who beats Berto get on the P4P top ten and a title shot at Floyd?

Posted July 28, 2013 3:00 pm 

Bobby Cause

Berto in the 11th round started to really look bad. The brain and body can’t take that kind of punishment. He needs to retire ASAP !

Posted July 28, 2013 2:53 pm 


It is time for Berto to earn his living in some other way. I think he has been exposed in his last several fights as a very limited fighter who at the top level of boxing will only get him seriously hurt.

Posted July 28, 2013 2:10 pm 


Beating Berto who is coming off of a loss who had no title should not get a title shot. Soto is a gate keeper and that’s it

Posted July 28, 2013 2:06 pm 


Great fight. Not sure how he shapes up against the elite level, but he has earned the opportunity.

Posted July 28, 2013 1:54 pm 

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