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” fight must be in the uk” White you wrong.

Posted May 28, 2013 10:10 pm 


If “15 rounds seperated the men from the boys” then I ASSUME you are calling Froch “A Boy” because outside sparring he NEVER fought 15 rounds??? So whats your point besides trying to find some sort of rule change that would give the crude banger some advantage…??? I know you wish all bouts were in phone booths too? Familiar refrain of the guy who wants the “Rocky Story” to pan out sorry boxing does not not work like that…Alot of guys who are “movers” have BETTER stamina because they are doing more subtle things and using craft… If Mayweather or Ward had to go 15 rounds their opponents would be getting killed off in the 14th because these guys are prepared to go the distance unlike some who are overeliant on power and short nights… Thomas Hearns found that out against Leonard…Steve LOL

Posted May 28, 2013 5:31 pm 


Ward maybe the best 168 pound fighter on the planet, nobody really knows,but, I have been involved with boxing for over 50 years, I don’t think I have ever listened to a commentator who was so prejudiced as he was against Froch, every comment was a put down against Frochs’ performance, except, when the fight was over and he knew Froch was going to be awarded the decision, he finally conceded that Froch had won. He may not like Froch but give him some credit when it’s due, he comes to fight, he gives his all, maybe he’s not as pretty to watch as some other fighters, BUT, he keeps fighting the top fighters in the world,and winning. For Ward, get back in the ring, and be prepared to travel, like Froch, not just fighting in your own backyard,we know you are good, nobody denies that,but do your talking in the ring, don’t belittle yourself by taking cheap shots at fellow professional fighters.

Posted May 28, 2013 1:59 pm 


Don’t recall saying Europe was a country mate, perhaps you can look back and send me an appology on that one. It’s you that views travelling 3000 miles away as a home town fighter. Just hope you never have to put any of your mates in a cab on a night out, they could end up in Egypt.

Posted May 28, 2013 8:11 am 


@HollowOriginal you still think Atlantic city is an away venue for an American lol You also think Europe is a country lol

Posted May 28, 2013 6:13 am 


“Ward and the runners”, priceless… Ward beat up Froch on the inside and on the outside with a bad hand. Can’t criticise a fighter for moving his feet or head, the whole purpose of the sport is to hit and not get hit. Think Froch die hards would like to redesign the ring to something resembling a phone box and just fight until someone falls and can’t get up.

That’s what would beat Ward, a complete rewrite of the rules and of course having the fight in Froch’s backyard with his wife and family sat as judges.

Posted May 28, 2013 5:39 am 


@SREDMOND I am talking about respect in general to the men who step through the ropes. You are nothing more than a critical imbecile.

Posted May 28, 2013 4:19 am 


@SREDMOND you missed the point you retard!!!!

15 rounds separated the men from the boys, of which ward is the latter. I watched the ward froch fight again and there is no way ward lasts another 3 rounds.

Posted May 28, 2013 4:18 am 


Looks like the smug fat bloke at my door holding the bible

Posted May 28, 2013 3:43 am 


Steve, wants to change boxing inn order to give Froch a better chance in his mind… This proof positive that Froch is inept relative to Ward when you concede he cannot win under the current system which has been around for YEARS…LMAO

Posted May 28, 2013 3:01 am 


Steve – ” not a chance” the judge who was considered to have scored the Froch vs Ward fight correctly was a British jugde who scored it 118 – 110 UD in favour of Ward, so even if the fight went 15rnds and you gave all those 3 rounds to Froch he still would hv lost the fight according to this judge and your theory, so what is your point considering that one of your own saw the fight as a walk over ” white Wash”. Please do remember that this is boxing the Sweet Science there is a lot more to it than just standing in front of your opponent and just throw punches.

Posted May 27, 2013 1:07 pm 


I would like to see boxing go back to 15 rounds. Ward and the runners wouldn’t stand a chance against Froch……….

The likes of Ward wouldn’t of stand a chance 40 years ago. Boxing is full of pussies these days.

Boxing is about skill, strength, heart etc etc of which Froch has all.

Ward has Skill, but that is about it. Stick him in a 15 rounder with Froch and its all over for him. You can only run for sop long in a ring……

Posted May 27, 2013 7:20 am 


he may be finished? however I would like to see a k.Pavlik return. let him jump back in the mix since everyone seems to think Hopkins and Ward are so boring. Froch vs Pavlik.

Posted May 27, 2013 6:45 am 


@SREDMOND. You’re nothing more than an armchair pugilist. Try showing a little respect, or is it beyond you?

Posted May 27, 2013 5:56 am 


Ward should of been DQ’d in the 10th round against Kessler. Ward is as dirty as they come.

Posted May 27, 2013 4:34 am 

Dan D

Just sayin, spot on me old son. SRedmond, you are babbling on and totally missing the point. No fighter in the sport has consistently taken in the level of opposition that Froch has – I can’t think of any? – so he gets credit for facing the best and going to war each time. Stop pulling down a very gifted and gritty champion. He may not be Ward, but at least he gets on his bike and he isn’t afraid of a challenge.

Posted May 27, 2013 4:25 am 


Ward doesn’t sell tickets. He’s not entertaining. He makes you fall asleep, SOUND ASLEEP ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted May 27, 2013 4:10 am 

Just Sayin

sred – you have no idea how funny it is to have someone pick holes in a warrior like Froch all the while forgetting that if it wasn’t for the likes of him and a very few others most people wouldn’t even bother with the sport. alphabet titles, Protected fighters, deals, no deals, bent refs and promoters, bent judges the pinnacle of the sport is 95% joke and has been for years. Then I read the comments of someone like you who totally misses the friggin point. Quit picking holes in a fighter like Froch who’s now had 10 World champ fight in a row and taken on EVERYONE and given it his all. Pls dude!

Posted May 27, 2013 3:28 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Ward knows he sucks too…

Posted May 27, 2013 3:15 am 


Hopkins suck and Ward sucks too both boring

Posted May 27, 2013 2:57 am 


Froch has limited time and options he’s never going to make mega money his careers winding down…Hopkins would bente wrong fight for him, Bernard would pick his wide shots off with ease and a loss to a 48 year old Hops would make him a joke… Wards a guaranteed loss so that’s just career suicide and MORE excuses…Why do you think he’s discussing another fight with Kessler??? Ward will crush him..

Posted May 27, 2013 2:25 am 


Tark, Froch was down TWO points on TWO cards in the 12th round if he had NOT scored a KO or put Taylor down 2x he loses the fight.. He got the stoppage do you really think I don’t ALREADY know what Im gonna say when you clowns retort? A much needed KO in the 12 is indeed a HAIL MARY… Had it gone to the cards, Froch was out of road.. Good on him for getting the stoppage but struggling with the likes of Taylor shows why he lost to Kessler first time out and was dominated by a ONE HANDED Ward…

Posted May 27, 2013 2:19 am 


If Andre Dirrell had developed he would have had super fights with Ward by now.. But Dirrell flaked off.. Ward easily beat Dawson so he really has no competition… Mayweather is extremely lucky because he’s had some really good competition in De La Hoya, Pacquiao (hasn’t fought Pac but all the hype and publicity shined a massive spotlight on both of them) Mosley, Cotto, Hatton etc.. Floyd had a dream run because big box office draws were running all over the place in his weight classes… Froch is 36 and just hit his peak box office power with this fight that was televised all over the world … He doesn’t even need Ward. He could fight Hopkins or whoever. I think the Pavlik fight would have been a great one, but again, Ward wasn’t lucky.

Posted May 27, 2013 1:35 am 


ward is a genius fighter, no doubt. and although I think froch could improve on his last time with ward, but I don’t think froch can beat him. however despite how good ward is, outside of Oakland he couldn’t sell 5000 tickets. ward needs froch a hell of a lot more than the other way. froch can get a huge payday fighting groves in the uk. going to Canada and rematching either pascal or bute.

Posted May 27, 2013 12:02 am 

PublicEnemy is dumb

Spredmon the ghettos of Oakland ain’t going to make you a PPV star

Posted May 26, 2013 11:30 pm 


Ward is boring, skip him and go for Hopkins

Posted May 26, 2013 11:18 pm 

Fish Eyes

As boxing fans, We should all hope that Ward and Froch have another fight.. What is not to like about it?

Posted May 26, 2013 8:49 pm 

Fish Eyes

@stupid loser. Cheers.. .

Posted May 26, 2013 8:39 pm 


@ HollowOriginal

You really are a piece of work……..Forget drawing a line on a map, fighting in the US as an american is fighting at home, how can you really not see that? Dover England is closer to France than London, so based on what you’re saying is a boxer from Dover England could fight in France and that fight should be considered home advantage for the Brit if fighting a Frenchman. Distance is irrelevant, crossing a countries border is what determines home or away, you thick ignorant moronic imbecile.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:43 pm 


Sredmond sez…, “Froch scored a Hail Mary victory against Jermaine Taylor” … No he DIDN’T. Froch took over in the 6th round of the Taylor fight, and beat Taylor from ring post to ring post the rest of the way scoring two knockdowns. I would not have allowed Taylor to come out for the 12th. There is nothing Jermain could possibly do in the 12th except take a vicious beating. Kostya Tszyu was right to quit in his corner against Ricky Hatton. A man’s health is worth more than a fight—screw the critics who never donned a glove. The referee should have stopped Forch-Taylor earlier in the 12th. A Hail Mary victory is a wild and desperate swing that finds its mark when you’re miles behind. One judge rightfully had Froch in the lead … actually by 3 more points than I had CF up.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:05 pm 

stupid loser

–“Froch nearly KO’d Ward in the final round”… one can only assume with that comment someone is just trolling on the thread.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:04 pm 


USA Rulez … I’m pretty sure Europe is not a country.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:55 pm 


“Andre do you wanna fight Carl in England?”

“No, I’m the champ he has to come to me and fight in the USA!”

“But he already fought you in the USA and Carl has two world title belts to your one.”

“No we fought in Atlantic City, that’s not home turf.”

“But Atlantic City is in the USA, Andre.”

“Not to me it ain’t”

“Did you ever do geography at school Andre?”

“I would of done geography at school but I always ended up in the wrong classroom. Hell, without geography you’re nowhere.”

“Ahhh … yes that’s right Andre.”

Run Andre Run …

Posted May 26, 2013 6:44 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

I agree, the belts don’t matter. All that does matter is there are no permanent or worse injuries, the fighters make a good living and the fans get their money’s worth, which we never do from a Ward fight…

Posted May 26, 2013 6:40 pm 


You too bud.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:12 pm 


Froch nearly KO’d Ward in the final round, I favor Froch to finish the job if they fight again.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:11 pm 

stupid loser

Dawson was a deer in the headlights fighting Ward, which had nothing to do with weight. In the end he got ran over. Sometimes I can see why SRED goes on his rants with some of these ignorant post.

@Fish Eyes, I respect your view on the rematch. Personally I would rather see Frotch face someone like maybe Stieglitz and see Ward move up to LHW. I think that is his only real test now. A division where 1 mistake can possibly mean lights out.

I am a fan of the SMW division as a whole, Frotch/Kessler included. How many times in today’s boxing do you see the top 6 or so of a division willing to face off in a tournament. It was a highlight in boxing.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:08 pm 

B Red

the belts dont mattter, Ward is the ring champ

Posted May 26, 2013 6:05 pm 

Big Al

correctamundo… i agree with that. enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:02 pm 


CORRECTION….now he has to take someone elses….

Posted May 26, 2013 5:57 pm 


Ward is going to realize that’s there’s no more challenges to his Castle and no he has to take someone elses. Ward will end up facing Froch in the UK, Kessler in Denmark, and Bute in Montreal. And he’ll make big BANK while doing it.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:56 pm 

Big Al

Correctamundo, there was a point where I wanted to like Ward in the Super6 believe it or not. I wasn’t always a Froch fan, but he made me a fan by fighting anyone anywhere. Fearless. No excuses. No preconditions. Ward turned me into a hater by turning down one fight, and then another, and then refusing to budge with his hometown demands. Completely different from someone who takes on all comers. Ward earned some respect after the super6, but you don’t keep it for life and just sit back turn into a fatcat. You need to constantly challenge yourself and show people that you could come out of your comfort zone and still perform head and shoulders above the rest. Ward seems to want to just rest on his laurels for life. In the meantime, boxing keeps moving on and the last time I checked Froch now has two belts to Ward’s none. (ward was recently stripped by the WBC.)

Posted May 26, 2013 5:49 pm 


His SKILLS were too POOR to continue. NICE stoppage by Smoger.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:42 pm 


He didn’t have the heart because he knew he didn’t know what was going to hit him next. Its like Ward was hitting him while he was wearing a blindfold.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:40 pm 


Ward isn’t worried about these guys at 168 and 175. He’s chasing Floyd’s SKILL level…… SO he’s leaving everyone else in the DUST. He has no choice but to leave Oakland not because of his Right……But its the ONLY way he can find anything CLOSE to a Fight. Its time to go SPANK Bute in Montreal, Froch in Nottingham, and Kessler in Denmark. That way you’ll be banking MUCH money while gaining steam on your bandwagon……. And then these detractors will crawl into their holes like the Pacquiao fans DID with nothing left to SAY once its all SAID and DONE…… Ward is PRINCE of Boxing. SOON to be KING….. until Broner catches him.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:38 pm 

Big Al

C’mon we all know Dawson could have hung around for all 12, but he quit. You all saw it. Smoger asked him twice. Never had the heart.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:35 pm 


Nope. Dawson was dead at that SKILL level. He abandoned the BEST Trainer in the game and his SKILLS steadily eroded. Once put in the Ring with a Boxer as GREAT as Ward he got dismantled. And the weight was no factor in that.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:30 pm 

Bill james

Ward who ? Ward = boring !

Posted May 26, 2013 5:27 pm 


Canelo won’t DARE to give UP the size AND SKILLS advantage or else he’d call out Ward IF he can’t get Floyd. NO ONE DARES go to Ward’s Back yard where NO Judges are needed. Froch didn’t say NO. He said HECK NO!!!!

Posted May 26, 2013 5:26 pm 


Dawson was indeed dead at the weight, that has been widely reported and discussed, like I said he made a mistake boiling down to 168 and losing his strength and energy.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:25 pm 


Ward gave UP 10 pounds throughout the Olympics and still WON. Forgot how to LOSE at 12 yrs old. The man is a PHENOM in the Sport of Boxing and the Sports BEST Boxer other than Mayweather. NO MAN can beat him on the planet except Floyd. All excuses are FUTILE.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:24 pm 


Nope. Facing TOO much SKILLS weakened him. He’d never faced that much SKILLS before and got undressed in there. I TOLD him to go back to Floyd Sr. before it became TOO late but he didn’t listen. And THAT’s why he got SPANKED. The weight was no factor in that. Ward will SPANK him at 175 TOO.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:20 pm 


It was stupid of Dawson to go down to 168, fact is that lost him the fight, losing that 7lbs really weakened him as evident in the fight.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:15 pm 

Big Al

well SREDMOND. I actually think Froch has as many fans in all of the US as Ward. I really believe that. The fact is, there is no good reason not to fight in the UK. I have a good idea who will win (Ward) but we’ll all watch just because we’re boxing fans. It might be as boring as hell because that’s what Ward does best, but we’ll watch anyway because we’ll hope to see a KO or some good action. My own personal knock on Ward is that he’s starting to act too much like a primadonna who feels disrespected with even the slightest criticism. He knows when to say all the proper things in interviews and likes to spout philosophy about the sport, but in last night’s interview his responses, facial expressions and body language say a different story. His bloated esteem and high-nosed personality will never let him be a superstar. So that’s why Froch and Kessler have more fans and drawing power than him. That simple.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:51 pm 


Bute sat around taking soft touches while the rest of the tourney beat eachother up, the first time he fought a World Class fighter he got stopped in 5 rounds and was in trouble early.. The questions about him proved to have merit…The idea Ward ducked Bute to fight Chad Dawson is laughable…

Posted May 26, 2013 4:49 pm 


Dawson called out Ward at 168 after he beat Hopkins and got DESTROYED…Unlike Froch and Kessler Dawson made no excuses for his beating and called Ward a “Great Champion” and quietly moved on… Don’t call out a man you cannot beat!!

Posted May 26, 2013 4:44 pm 


“Get Unreal” past history defies your assertion Floyd and others took
Many fights and Championships to finally break thru…PAC was in his late 20’s when he and Marquez became bankable and 30 when he killed Oscar off and began selling 1 million buys.. Maybe Ward makes it happen, maybe not but trying to be a star in the UK is NOT the answer..People said Mayweather was “boring” and he made 85 million last year so let’s see what happens over time … We KNOW that Froch does not have much road left he’s talked retirement and is 35, absent injuries Wards futures bright and knocking out Dawson is ANOTHER step in the right direction..

Posted May 26, 2013 4:40 pm 


Ward v Dawson fight is null and void, Dawson was forced to boil down to 168, took all his strength and energy away.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:40 pm 


Big Al, Wards business sense will or will not be proven over time… The critics can NEVER be silenced if Floyd and Pacquaio bowed to the critics they would not be the highest paid fighters in the WORLD… The PHONY carrot of “international respect” is a fancy word for appeasement and the Ward detractors are NOT gonna love him for dusting Froch in his hometown… Ward slowly building a bigger US following is the way to go, UK stars come to the US to get bigger not vice versa… Economics 101…

Posted May 26, 2013 4:34 pm 


Big Al, your perspective is fantasy Ward did not respect Bute who had not beat ANY big time 168 pounders Edison Miranda? Mendy and Johnson? All leftovers.. Ward fought the tightest hombres out there as did Froch and Kessler instead he fought the BEST LHW in the World who had defeated Hopkins (Dawson) and knocked him out.. Ward was announcing the Cloud fight and Hopkins told him he would NEVER fight him.. As of yet Ward is not fighting at 175 so who cares?? Ward already schooled Froch so that’s OLD BUSINESS if Carl wants another beating then so be it… It’s Wards world, I’m not surprised you want Ward to retire because that’s the ONLY chane EVER that Froch will be the top SMW..!!! LMAO!

Posted May 26, 2013 4:29 pm 

Big Al

Ward’s boxing IQ may be off the charts, but he doesn’t have the business sense to be a superstar. A wise manager might tell him to take the fight because a) it silences critics, b) it makes more money, c) it builds international respect, c) he broadens his fan base, and d) he already beat him. There are more advantages to take the fight than let it go, but being the primadonna that he is, he feels disrespected that he has to travel as champion. There is a business side to boxing SOG!

Posted May 26, 2013 4:26 pm 


Limejay, on some level I think we are saying the same thing… U have no issue with Ward “choosing” to fight in the UK but the notion he has to or that his prior victory is tainted is repugnant to me…We disagree on one point I don’t REALLY think Froch wants the fight I watched his postfight interview and his roundabout answer was laden with clauses and equivocations about Wards style.. He was quick to discuss a 3rd bout with Kessler when in mind if he was hungry for revenge Ward would have been his first target… He wants guys who will go toe to toe not a slick, faster boxer with better inside game than him…

Posted May 26, 2013 4:20 pm 

Big Al

SREDMOND. I just posted this to another article, but it applies here too. Ward didn’t want to fight Bute. Ward didn’t want to fight Hopkins. He doesn’t want to fight Froch outside of the US. Doesn’t want to fight his friend Dirrell. Why doesn’t he just retire and stay out of the way? Who would even recognize this guy walking down the street anywhere outside of Oakland?

Posted May 26, 2013 4:18 pm 

Limey jay

Sred it’s not that ward owes Froch a rematch, he don’t owe Froch nothing, he beat him handily and is rightfully regarded as the better fighter, and to be brutally honest Froch is made for a guy like ward to look good…….but it’s an interesting fight for the reason that Froch fancies it, in his head he thinks he can do better……for me ward has nothing to lose if he took the fight in the uk at a big venue…..he would earn money, gain new respect and probably new fans in the process…..lets face it for all his evident skills , he ain’t big box office.
I agree that ward is the real deal and Froch in any incarnation would most probably get schooled, but what else is there for ward, who else brings the dollars that a fight with Froch would generate over here…..I struggle to think.
For me ward should jump at the chance, I think he would make plenty of new fans and it wouldn,t hurt him to spread his wings.
I no he don’t got to , but as an ex fighter myself and an avid fight fan I think u got to bring it to the fans, boxing is the truest form of sports, and it’s us fans that keep it alive….not the fighters, it’s easy forgotten that we pay their wages, and all we want in return is to be entertained…..I know many probably think that a rematch is pointless as ward is far superior to Froch, and part of me agrees….but I would have no hesitation in forking out my hard earned to watch it, as it intrigues me, I want to know wether Froch can put a dent in up to now he has had it all his own way, I,d like to see how ward looks when he doesn,t have all the cards stacked in his favour.
I know that might sound unfair but that’s just the way it is.
Personally I think he is that good it wouldn,t matter, but I,d like to find this out anyhow.
I,m no hater, I don’t disrespect any fighter, wether I like them personally or not…..I consider myself a fan, and as an ex amateur fighter myself i don’t like to hear some of the stuff written about boxers from some people who probably haven’t laced up and know what it takes to face off in the squared circle.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:50 pm 

See it how it is

The reality is that Andre Ward is probably taking PEDS, this explains why he flatly refuses to fight away, you need to be very cagey if you are juicing, even if he would get his biggest payday by far, fighting Froch in England in front of 50-000 and UK PPV of around 600-000 .

Posted May 26, 2013 3:42 pm 


Get Real, you’re DUMB Broner has NEVER done a PPV he’s paid by the networks just like Ward they are grooming him for the future.. How many PPV buys did his last fight do???000000000 it was included in the basic HBO package…Wards been announcing a ton of fights because he’s good looking, articulate and he’s an undefeated Champion! Like many befor him if he keeps winning he will get the riches coming to him… Hopkins waited till he was 36 for Trinidad and 39 for Oscar but he got his $$$$$$ in the end…!

Posted May 26, 2013 3:39 pm 


Wards NOT yet a PPV star and neither was Pacquiao or even FMJ with UNDER 30 fights had they NOT kept winning and stayed the course they never would have been..Ward looked pretty exciting knocking out Chad Dawson and when a guy dominates its gonna be less “edge of your seat” than two guys who are a brawling… Gatti was Mr Excitement bin when you put him in the ring with a TRUE boxer like Floyd all the sizzle was out of him by the second round.. I like watching Rios and Alvarado and Kessler vs Froch but I’n astute enough to know that while guts, bravery and stamina are on display… Upper echelon elite boxing skills are NOT… I respect the truly talented like Floyd and Ward who can make a very good fighter look VERY BAD… It’s hard for the fans of the losers to accept the gap in class that befell their heroes and they often lash out with excuses, attacks on the winner and conspiracies to explain away the defeats.. I’m a fan of REALITY… If someone knocks out Ward or Mayweather I’m not gonna say it “was the venue, poison or any such nonsense” absent old age, a robbery or something untoward these guys have got to accept thei losses… Whiner, Excuse makers and the like bring out the worst in me… And that’s not gonna stop!

Posted May 26, 2013 3:34 pm 


Lime jay, the feelings mutual if you read below I acknowledge Froch doing a lot with “a little”
my beef is this intense desire to vacate duly acquired results based on where the bouts took place… I don’t buy AC as Wards hometown because it is NOT when Ward fought Kessler he had 20 fights under his belt… How many times had Froch
And Kessler “fought away” when they had 20 fights???? Once between them?? NONE?? The Super Six was paid for by Showtime a US company if they choose to showcase a US fighter that’s just too bad… Tell a UK entity to pony up the cash and sponsor their own tourney…
It’s well known that Froch had a shot at Ward sporting a damaged hand, how much
More does he need?? I don’t think that Froch nor Kessler are close to Wards league and last night only made that more clear… This is boxing and the TRUE Champion calls the shots just because Kessler and Froch are pen pals that like to swap venues it does not mean Ward who handily defeated both has to cave to a childish dare… Both fighters have been POOR SPORTSMEN in regards to their losses to Ward… Froch admitted as much after last nights bout so why would Ward rush to appease the whining of a guy he dusted on his way to becoming one of the consensus Top 3 P4P fighters in the world… That’s how I see it..

Posted May 26, 2013 3:19 pm 

Brit boxing

Ward won’t get $1200 ticket prices at home, he is not a draw, should fight in the UK at a stadium venue with PPV, but he won’t fight away, why?

Posted May 26, 2013 3:02 pm 


Canelo and Broner could get knocked off but the networks have to make their bets because if they wait the next entity will have a contract.. A lot of talent is moving over to Showtime after the Mayweather exodus…

Posted May 26, 2013 3:01 pm 


Explain how “home” is an undeniable advantage ???? Cheering or are you alleging corruption make your case… Lennox Lewis and Pacquiao never whined about kicking ass on the Big Stage why entertain the cries of relative nobodies like Froch and Kessler? Ward does not even have 30 fights in his career but he’s faced the best when his name was not even big… You guys are making excuses… Froch beat Johnson in AC why not Ward?? He’s not past it.:

Posted May 26, 2013 2:59 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

That’s only if Boner keeps winning, which is extremely doubtful, especially if you know the sport…

Posted May 26, 2013 2:59 pm 


Ward and Broner can earn as much as or more than Kessler and Froch on average because HBO is willing to invest is a possible future PPV star… Sergio Martinez fought in front of 40,000 Argentinians but his biggest payday was on PPV against Chavez Jr where they did 500k buys at $50 and $60…Cotto earned bigger Paydays against Margo, Mayweather and Pacquaio than the HW Champ routinely does stripping out this recent bid against Povetkin… Pacquiao became one of the highest paid athletes in the World fighting in the US… Carl Froch a guy with maybe 5 more bouts in the tank is not changing the landscape of boxing… Get real

Posted May 26, 2013 2:55 pm 

Brit boxing

Why won’t Ward fight away, he always has home advantage.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:52 pm 


High Arena figures and LOW RELATIVE REVENUE?? Do ANY of you guys have even a basic business background?? Charging $150 us for 20,000 arena seats is NOTHING COMPARED to US PPV where Mayweather can charge up to $70 for 1 million buys then fill the MGM with average seat prices of $1200 or more… Calzaghe, Hatton and Lewis BIGGEST paydays came in the US…The worlds best paid fighters fight in the US not the UK this is the Global stage and the numbers don’t lie… Khan dragged his Chinny ass to the US because if you make it here then the Worlds your oyster… The Super 6 was NOT sponsored by a UK network that was Showtime because the money’s here.. I know FACTS are considered rude on ESB but gnaw on those..

Posted May 26, 2013 2:49 pm 

Fish Eyes

To suggest Ward, an American fighter, fighting in America, versus a Froch, a fighter from the UK, is a fight in a neutral location, is a Lol-Tastic failure of logic on an epic scale..

Posted May 26, 2013 2:44 pm 


In my opinion, boxing in the UK will make more sense than fighting in the USA… Due to the high attendances that could be achieved. If Ward, Hopkings, Dawson, Mayweather…. fought in the UK they would fill minimum 40,000….Mayweather 80,0000 easily. Also Ward actually can not turn down the fight in the UK. He has no where to turn to or to run to, even if he could beat Froch. He actually has no choice….

Posted May 26, 2013 2:32 pm 

Fish Eyes

HollowOriginal..”It was a venue 3000 miles from Wards home town and 3500 miles from Frochs home town. Only way it could have been more neutral would be to have it on a cruise ship 6 hours from New York harbour on its journey to Liverpool.” .. Nope.. The EASY way for it to be more “neutral,” would have been staging the fight in a neutral country. IE, Germany, Canada, France, Denmark, Ukraine, Japan, ect ect.. “US Air Miles” does not = neutral location….

Posted May 26, 2013 2:09 pm 

Fish Eyes

stupid loser.. I would like to see a rematch.. I highly rate Ward and good luck to the guy. He would most likely win again. But I still think its a fight we need to see.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:08 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Ward looked like a Pelosi in the headlights in limeyland…

Posted May 26, 2013 2:01 pm 

stupid loser

Fish Eyes, sure let them make the fight again. Seeing how Ward has been sitting down more on his power later in fights I am curious. Really my “only” reason for wanting to see that 1 sided fight again is to see a 100% Ward and if, or more like what round, he will TKO Frotch. A tune up and if you will, a prelude to what he will do to clean up the lt hw div. Where I see more of, and maybe the only, test in Wards future.

Posted May 26, 2013 1:54 pm 


Carl Froch has been trying to elevate himself by overusing th names of Calzaghe who’s long retired and Ward for years..Instead of being a mans man and respecting his own accomplishments he’s been making excuses and trying to chase a long retired fighter… Froch is an interesting package because his skills are not special but he’s fit, with a very good beard and he’s determines (kudos on those 3 points) but against true elite talent his aggression is a liability Mayweather has done this to World Class boxers for close to two decades… It’s the perfect union of talent, heart, fitness and will that no amount of desire can overcome absent a lucky punch.. Froch has to struggle with the Kesslers, Dirrells and Jermaine Taylor’s till he caught Taylor in the 12th because they are all guys that at the time ran 4.5 40’s Wards elite talent has him running a 4.2 (analogy) and that gap produces consistently superior results ie Wards best performances against his best foes murdered Kessler, easy one handed UD Froch and a TKO including two KD’s and a forced QUIT job against Dawson who’s been the best or 2nd best LHW in the World for around 6 years a guy who owned a prime Adamek…To his credit Dawson who called out Ward at 168 took his beating like a man and has yet to skim thru the Bible of tied excuses that Froch and Kessler have become theologians on…Lol

Posted May 26, 2013 1:51 pm 


Froch could have the fight in his living room, with his mum as referee and girlfriend the judge and he still couldn’t win. Lets have it right, he wasn’t beaten the 1st fight he was outclassed.
Beating an over the hill Kessler and an untested Bute is a million miles away form Andre Ward. I feel sorry for Ward, he in a Klitschko type situation where there is no one around to give him a real test, he’s a victim of his own ability

Posted May 26, 2013 1:50 pm 

The Prince

Ward doesn’t have to fight Froch in the UK. Ward beat him the first time, so it’s Ward who dictates the terms. That’s how it works. With that said, I’m a fan of Froch and have no issues with him, but he’ll lose again to Ward.

Posted May 26, 2013 1:48 pm 


@HollowOriginal home advantage is home advantage you muppet……..


Posted May 26, 2013 1:43 pm 


So are we gong to institute a policy of swapping venues for every fight no matter the outcome??? That’s ridiculous as a concept and it’s an excuse Froch knocked out Bute in 5 rounds what does the venue have to do with the punches that took away his senses?? Ward easily bested Froch in AC which is NOT his hometown so where’s the next bout Chechnya??? This excuse has been getting AirPlay from butthurt Froch and Kessler fans, I can understand if a guy gets robbed in another’s backyard ie Chisora would be a fool to fight Helenius in front of those felonious hometown judges but a correct wins a correct win… All these rematches laden with excuses blow…A man can be beaten down or knocked out anywhere, England is NOT the yellow sun for Froch Ward will take that ass apart AGAIN like he did with a damaged hand… Healthy Froch likely won’t finish even Kessler had him stunned and surged in the 11th… Carl Froch is simply not close to the fighter Ward is…

Posted May 26, 2013 1:37 pm 

Fish Eyes

CORRECTAMUNDO..”Well THANKS for pointing out something that is irrelevant.” .. Ward seems to think it IS relevant though, so you must be talking crap again.. Hence Ward stating on this article.. “I went into that fight injured. He said he was home sick. So if you have that kind of dialogue after a fight, even if it wasn’t close, we need to right that wrong.” If Ward is happy to fight Froch again, as he is indicating here when he says “we need to right that wrong.” and that he would like to “reward the UK fans.” (his words again) what is the problem?

Posted May 26, 2013 1:33 pm 


Ward dominated Froch, the same way Calzaghe dominated Kessler. Froch’s two fights with Mikkel have been 50/50, extremely close affairs, so another fight is necessary to determine who is currently the better fighter. Froch NEEDS a rematch with Ward. Ward certainly doesn’t need the fight as he’s already proved his superiority, but I’m sure for the right cash he’ll accept the fight anyway.

Posted May 26, 2013 1:24 pm 

Fish Eyes

stupid loser..”Typically when a fight is so 1 sided there is no need for #2 unless there is some justification.” .. I think the justification in this case is.. 1) Andre Ward and Carl Froch are currently the two highest ranked super middleweights in the world. 2) Ward has stated that “A rematch makes sense.” 3) Most boxing fans would like to see a rematch, for the reasons Ward himself stated in this article.. 4) Who else should Ward fight? Bute? Kessler? two guys Froch just beat? 5) Why not?

Posted May 26, 2013 1:23 pm 


It was a venue 3000 miles from Wards home town and 3500 miles from Frochs home town. Only way it could have been more neutral would be to have it on a cruise ship 6 hours from New York harbour on its journey to Liverpool. I think the venue was as neutral as possible, I don’t think there would’ve been much appetite for the fight in India.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:53 pm 


Well THANKS for pointing out something that is irrelevant.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:51 pm 

Fish Eyes

HollowOriginal.. No I think Ward won clearly. So no need to get my eyes tested. :) .. I was simply pointing out that Ward v Froch was not a fight at a neutral venue. Pretty basic concept to grasp I think..

Posted May 26, 2013 12:48 pm 

stupid loser

Typically when a fight is so 1 sided there is no need for #2 unless there is some justification.
Is the justification here that Frotch fought Ward in the US and that is why he got schooled?

Posted May 26, 2013 12:46 pm 


Fish eye, I think Ward will come to the UK if match room can put their money where their mouth is. Just don’t pin your hopes on that being a leveller though. Ward would be too much for Froch wherever they fought. German judges are renowned for their favourable decisions to home fighters, do you think Froch actually beat Ward but Ward got a home town decision? If that’s what you think then I think you should know that Spec Savers are doing a 2 for1 sale next week.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:29 pm 

Fish Eyes

CORRECTAMUNDO… Blabber away all you like.. What is SO WRONG about boxing fans asking Ward to showcase his skills outside the USA?

Posted May 26, 2013 12:11 pm 

Fish Eyes

HollowOriginal.. “It depends on how far your fans have to travel rather than whether they go over a national border.” Nope.. For the reason I stated below.. IE: “Amsterdam is closer to Hamburg than Munich is, So does that mean a German from Munich fighting a guy from Amsterdam, in Hamburg, is a fight at a neutral venue? No.. It’s not.. Its a fight on home soil in Germany for the German fighter, however you try to spin it..”

HollowOriginal…”I don’t recall fighting US fighters in the US ever being an issue for Hatton, Calzaghe or Naz. Even Amir Khan doesn’t have a problem with it. What’s so special about Froch that geography plays a major role in whether he wins or loses?” If Froch had a problem with it he would not have fought in the USA in the first place would he? What is SO WRONG about asking Ward to showcase his skils outside the USA?

Posted May 26, 2013 12:07 pm 


Hopkins was CHAMP and Calzaghe came to America to TAKE his CROWN. Now let Froch MAN UP and DO the same.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:05 pm 


Hopkins was #5 P4P in the World when Calzaghe beat him in America. Froch needs to borrow Calzaghe’s BALLS and SKILLS.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:03 pm 


And how DID Calzaghe beat Hopkins and Jones in America????

Posted May 26, 2013 12:02 pm 


The venue is not the factor. Otherwise how DID Froch beat Jermaine Taylor in America???

Posted May 26, 2013 12:01 pm 

Fish Eyes

CORRECTAMUNDO.. “Who cares about the venue???” Ward did. Otherwise why did he manage to get all his super six fights on home soil?

Posted May 26, 2013 11:57 am 


Kessler never lost to Abraham. He’d beat Abraham ANYWHERE.

Posted May 26, 2013 11:55 am 


Froch already WON in America vs. an American SO that excuse is a FEEBLE attempt. He can’t beat Ward in America. THAT is the problem. SO the venue isn’t the issue. The opponent IS…..Froch can beat Bute in Canada TOO. Bute knows it and that’s why he didn’t take the rematch. Because the venue is not the Factor. The OPPONENT IS…..or else Jermaine Taylor should hurry UP and rematch Froch in America for the EASY WIN.

Posted May 26, 2013 11:54 am 

Da UnKnown Comic

Kessler 43-0 at home. Frochy 27-0 at home. Come on ward. Fight a road fight! I’m not saying you’ll lose. But go thru the adversity man. There were ZERO road wins in the Super 6. Ward is undefeated at home too.

Ward is ONLY one who didn’t fight a road fight in the Super 6. Not fair!

I just waned to see how ward woulda handled himself in hostile territory. Just like everyone else did. Dirrell went on the road and lost to Froch. Kessler went on the road and lost to Ward and Abraham. Abraham went on road and lost to ward and Froch.

Posted May 26, 2013 11:53 am 


It depends on how far your fans have to travel rather than whether they go over a national border. If they fight in Oakland and 90 percent of the crowd is pro Froch, then Froch has the edge. I don’t recall fighting US fighters in the US ever being an issue for Hatton, Calzaghe or Naz. Even Amir Khan doesn’t have a problem with it. What’s so special about Froch that geography plays a major role in whether he wins or loses?

Posted May 26, 2013 11:49 am 


Who cares about the venue??? Jermaine Taylor fought in America TOO but Froch still knocked him out.

Posted May 26, 2013 11:45 am 

Fish Eyes

CORRECTAMUNDO.. I don’t care if Ward spanked Dawson in Okland.. I was simply pointing out the FACT that an American fighting in America, versus a UK fighter, is not a fight at a neutral venue..

Posted May 26, 2013 11:41 am 

stupid loser

Frotch’s post fight interview says it all, he it not that interested. He got schooled by Ward who had a hurt hand. Why would Frotch want to get schooled again in his home town? Frotch has no answers for Wards style and lacks 1 punch power for a hail mary game changer. I also agree Ward is starting to sit down more with power, especially later in the fight, where I see him taking out Frotch w/TKO victory 2nd time around

Ward cleaned out the best @168, schooled Dawson. Nothing more to see at 168.Ward’s next move should be to take out Hopkins then start cleaning out the Lt Heavy division including a Dawson x2.

Posted May 26, 2013 11:39 am 


OK well then Dawson fought at home TOO. But Ward still SPANKED him.

Posted May 26, 2013 11:33 am 

Fish Eyes

So did Audely Harrison.. The notion that Ward fought Froch at a neutral venue in Atlantic City, just because of the distance from Oakland to Atlantic City, is laughable.. Amsterdam is closer to Hamburg than Munich is, So does that mean a German from Munich fighting a guy from Amsterdam, in Hamburg, is a fight at a neutral venue? No.. It’s not.. Its a fight on home soil in Germany for the German fighter, however you try to spin it..

Posted May 26, 2013 11:31 am 


IF enough fans clamor for it Ward will leave his castle and plant his flag in ANY country on Earth. HE already WON the Olympics which was a WORLD WIDE competition on foreign land. SO Ward has already BEEN there and DONE that but he will DO it again IF the price is right.

Posted May 26, 2013 11:19 am 

Big Al

Will Ward answer the challenge?

Posted May 26, 2013 11:03 am 


About time Ward

Posted May 26, 2013 10:59 am 


That’s true. Froch is the “money maker”. He does not need ward. What’s ward gonna do? Fight in oakland with noone watching and make a couple thousand dollars? Lol!!.! Froch really is calling all the shots and has the belts!

Posted May 26, 2013 10:33 am 


Americans don’t get geography or culture. It’s not neutral venue when you fight in your own country. In no other sport is it considered that. You constitute only 4% of the worlds population and no fighter from your country would accept that argument. Let’s say go to Russia, oh the fight is in Irkutsk in Siberia, but that’s neutral ground because the Russian is born in Saint Petersburg. Let’s see all the american boxers fight on “neutral” ground in Russia from now on.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:26 am 


I think we all agree that ward is the better fighter and would beat froch again even if the fight was on mars. However GREATS travel to other peoples backyards now and again and until ward does this i simply wont consider him as a GREAT.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:17 am 


Bute unravelled because he came up against a world class fighter in Froch. He would have folded just as easily in Canada. Bute was and is complete hype…

Agree, Ward should have travelled in the Super 6, possibly to Denmark for the Kessler fight. Just because you cross a border though doesn’t make the fight fundamentally harder or easier. It’s the distance you travel from your base that has an effect on the number of fans that can travel to support you and cheer when you land your shots and thereby affect the judges scorecards etc. Just because Europe is split into 30 different countries doesn’t make the journey any more arduous for Froch’s fans than Ward’s fans having to travel 3K miles from Oakland to AC. I’m happy to admit that Ward fought at home for the majority of the fights leading up to the final, but the final was in a neutral venue, albeit a neutral venue in the home Country of Ward, but to have the fight in Germany or Mexico would have been silly.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:05 am 


The idea that the first fight with Froch was not “fair” shows the weak and pathetic nature of some boxing fans who are really women dressed as girls… AC is not Wards hometown and the only guy at a disadvantage that night was WARD with a bad hand that still did NOT prevent him from whipping Froch… This travelling argument was invented to somehow mute how dominat this fighter looked over these two guys… Kessler got Ward when he was a GREEN fighter and Mikkel was 30 what more could you ask? His bad footwork and straight ahead style proved easy pickings, same with Froch… Froch already said he does not like fighting Andre stylistically because “he doesn’t brawl” toooooo Bad Froch if you cannot handle a guy who’s NOT gonna negate his advantages then too bad… He sounds one Guerreros father after Floyd made a fool of him… Ward has taken all comers at 168 and beat them… I don’t really believe Froch wants the fight he was discussing another bout with a past it Kessler…

Posted May 26, 2013 9:51 am 


I’m a Brit too and a fan of Froch. Also think Ward should travel outside the USA, but not, as a few posters have insinuated, because the first fight with Froch wasn’t ‘fair’. As far as I’m concerned, the first fight was in a neutral venue and Ward won easily. If Ward agrees to fight Froch in the UK (corrected), it shouldn’t be because he owes him a fair shake, it’s because Froch wants to see if he can beat Ward with all of the home advantages. Froch had a fair shake in Atlantic City…

Posted May 26, 2013 9:03 am 


I’m a Brit too and a fan of Froch. Also think Ward should travel outside the USA, but not, as a few posters have insinuated, because the first fight with Froch wasn’t ‘fair’. As far as I’m concerned, the first fight was in a neutral venue and Ward won easily. If Ward agrees to fight Froch in the USA, it shouldn’t be because he owes him a fair shake, it’s because Froch wants to see if he can beat Ward with all of the home advantages. Froch had a fair shake in Atlantic City…

Posted May 26, 2013 9:01 am 


Ward wins wherever they fight. That’s from a Brit and a big fan of Froch

Posted May 26, 2013 8:55 am 



Posted May 26, 2013 8:50 am 


If you follow boxing every Brit that looses there is always an excuse. with Fatton, it was the ref against Floyd and the trainer against Pac. with mitchell he had personal problems, with Price punch behind the ears, with khan the ref, with haye his big toe. with purdy his weight, with rees he all of a sudden too short. It is never the other man was better. What arrogance. If Ward and Froch was a close fight, i could understand, but Ward won every round against this guy. He can beat Kessler 10 times, but with a fair ref and judges, he will never beat Ward, then you can say it was boring, it is always boring when your guy cannot beat the other guy.

Posted May 26, 2013 8:45 am 


USA mentality – massive gun crime … we need more guns!!

There’s just no getting through to these lot. Total waste of time. LOL

Posted May 26, 2013 8:41 am 


WARD has beaten these 2 sore looser convincinly he does not owe them a return fight, if ward is going to fight Froch again and it isn`t in USA, then make it in a neutral European country like Germany, he would never get a fair break in England. the first hard punch Froch gets in the ref would stop the fight in his favor. Last night Groves floored this guy, he was hurt, but he deserved a chance, i knew the ref was going to stop it straight away, the previous round the guy hurt Groves with 1 of the few punches he threw, they were never let him get a shot at that again. The very next fight between 2 brits, 1 of them was knocked down and badly hurt, he was allowed to be knocked down again though. And by the way Froch had more fans in Atlantic City than Ward, From England to AC, is almost the same distance as Oakland to AC. DON`T FIGHT HIM UNTIL HE SAY OPENLY THAT YOU BEAT HIM FAIR AND SQUARE.

Posted May 26, 2013 8:31 am 


Anon, maybe you and Steve should share the same map… Don’t want to get into the political differences between the Europe and the USA. But from a geographical scale perspective it is fair to compare the USA with Europe.

You could have a Brook v Khan match up and people would argue about which side of the Pennines it should be on. Point is that Atlantic City is not the home town of Froch nor Ward and neither would have an established fan base there. Granted Ward probably wouldn’t have gone through customs, but I don’t think that really contributed to his win do you?

Posted May 26, 2013 8:29 am 


“Ward needs the lion share, as he is the champion”

Ward has one belt.

Froch has two.

If anyone should be calling the shots it should be Froch.

If Ward says no to the UK then Froch should turn his back on him for good and Ward loses out on a mega money fight. Then he can go back to fighting journeymen in front of 400 people in Oakland. Where he’s nice and safe.

Froch is in a much better position than Ward. He has two world title belts, he’s always in exciting fights, he’s stock has never been higher, he could line up five fights right now that would pack out football stadiums all over the UK. Froch has actually reached Hatton’s box office drawing appeal. Ward needs Froch far more than Froch needs him. Fight fans love watching Froch cos he loves a good old scrap.

Posted May 26, 2013 8:19 am 


HollowOriginal – just out of curiosity, in which country is Atlantic City?

Posted May 26, 2013 8:09 am 


Steve, your comments are madness… Draw a line between Nottingham and Oakland on a map and tell me where the half way point is please… It’s probably Novia Scotia, but Atlantic City is pretty damn close.

Comments about London not being Froch’s home town. London is about 140 miles from Nottingham. Atlantic City is 2,800 odd miles from Oakland. It was hardly likely to be filled with pro Ward supporters because it’s on the same rock. You’d probably have more Froch supporters native in Atlantic City than Ward supporters I would have assumed because his fights are more PPV friendly.

From what I understand this morning, the only fighter saying that the fight has to be in a specific country is Froch, it has to be in the UK. Ward sounds like he’s getting his passport ready and is waiting for a call from Matchroom. Froch should avoid this fight like the plague, Ward would even beat him if the fight were held near the Sea of Tranquility.

Posted May 26, 2013 8:00 am 

Exiled Yank

Ward is running out of options at 168. This is pretty much all he has. Now he has a choice to make, stay at 16 and make his name like JC did by defending his title upteen times, or move up in weight and rematch Dawson or take on Hopkins.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:58 am 

Exiled Yank

The one disadvantage to fighting Froch at home is how he get away with fouling. Even last night when Froch and Kessler exchanged rabbit punches, it was Kessler who got the warning. as for the money, Ward needs the lion share, as he is the champion. I think Ward beats him a second time because Froch has not made any adjustments to his style and Ward can make adjustments on the fly. Too bad Calz and Wards’ eras did not overlap, because that would have have made a hell of fight. High speed chess.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:56 am 



Personally I don’t think Froch beats Ward, but Ward travelling to the UK does make it that much more interesting a fight, and I don’t see it going all Wards way.

I don’t really care if you are a Brit or not, but try to show a little more respect for two fighters who put it all on the line. All boxers have weaknesses, including Mayweather. With Froch I have heard it all before, caries his left hand low, telegraphs the right, lunges in etc etc. But the bottom line is, Froch, Kessler, Ward etc etc are at the top of their respective game, you know, past and present world champions. So instead of boring people with what has already being said a thousand times, just try and say………….RESPECT to these guys who step in the ring and lay it on the line.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:43 am 


@HollowOriginal Europe isn’t a country its a continent. Again using your reasoning means Ward fighting in Canada (North America) would be considered a home fight. Doesn’t matter which way you spin it, an American fighting anywhere in USA is a home fight, as is a Brit fighting anywhere in the UK……

Now go away and educate yourself.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:34 am 

JimmyWilde – The greatest Flyweight of all time.

As a fan of quality boxers, Ward in my humble opinion would KO Froch if they fought again. Froch does have good power, a good jab, a good chin, a ton of heart, in fact he’s done incredibly well considering he’s not that great a boxer, so I have to give him a lot of respect as a fighter. He’s actually fought above himself if you know what I mean. And he’s done it many times. But the skill level and speed of Ward is just too much for Froch. I think the only boxer around Ward’s weight that would give him serious problems would be Kid Chocolate. I know that would mean the Kid going up in weight but I think he’s a class act and would be a real handful for Ward. Saying that, I don’t think Froch could beat The Kid either. The Kid is a real quality fighter and if he moves up to SM he’d be a handful for anyone. I really rate him highly. The Kid is the real deal in my humble opinion.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:13 am 


@Steve, no armchaiur puglist pal, started the sweet science nearly 23yrs ago , on-off amatuer and white collar level and now enjoying being away from the “real side of it all. Im a realist, not blinded by favouritism (Im british as well) My last post is true facts, sometimes theyre hard to take in , Im not taking anything away from Carl, he capitalised on kesslers sub par performance, neither of them have half the tools needed to beat Ward on last nights showing either… they wouldnt even make him break a sweat..It’d be a dull encouter but very decisive…

Posted May 26, 2013 7:02 am 


Froch has a 15% chance of beating Ward, they are NOT even in the same Class, Froch is a guy who carries a lunch pail to the ring, Wards a HIGH level executive… This is an EASY fight for Ward if it comes off and I think it will be more lopsided than the first… Wards domination of Dawson shows he’s getting meaner and stronger at 29 and thats bad news for Froch who really does NOT want to fight him based on the interview and his distate for Ward as “a boxing purist” Froch needs guys who will abandon craft and slug, Ward is the general in there and easily bested him with a BAD hand… Froch by his own admission has been a bit “disrespectful” of Ward since he took that loss… This is EASY money for Ward I see now way a guy who telegraphs like Froch stands a chance…

Posted May 26, 2013 6:52 am 


Jim, I think Ward probably will take the fight. He has nowhere else to go. He’s dominated the entire division so much so that people who aren’t really into boxing are calling him boring. I just think Ward is too slick and too smart for Froch.

Froch’s big advantage over most fighters is his granite chin. If you spend 12 rounds trying to take him out, you will have your heart broken. If you spend 12 rounds accumulating points and pot shotting through his weak defence, you will more than likely win the fight. I was surprised at how easily Ward beat Froch on the inside too. Even if they fought on the moon, Ward would will a wide UD.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:38 am 


Would be ahuge fight in the UK. It makes sense as its the biggest fight out there in the division.I think Ward will take the fight but he’s going to drive a hard bargain to make a huge payday for himself leveraging off Froch’s fanbase. Would be an interesting fight to watch again but personally I think Ward would win by wide decision again, he’s just such a slick boxer. I can’t see how Froch could adapt to Ward’s style even if I’d love to see it. Hope they make this happen.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:23 am 


Anon, wow… Sound argument there mate. I have to submit to your superior argument.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:11 am 


Steve, don’t waste your time with HollowOriginal he’s a total idiot.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:08 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Looking at last night, I’d say Froch has a 60% chance of beating Ward. Why not have it @ the Garden?

Posted May 26, 2013 6:02 am 


Steve, it was the closest that they could have come to a neutral venue… I know it was in the same country as Ward is from, but the US is huge… It’s like saying Froch fighting in Denmark is in his back yard because he’s from Europe. Cost wise it would have been about the same for Froch fans to travel to AC from Nottingham as it would have been for Ward’s to travel to AC from Oakland.

Also, the fight was a one sided beat down in AC. I don’t think the decision was controversial do you??? So what part did the ‘home advantage’ play? Ward fight’s 3000 miles from his home town and he still gets stick for being a home town fighter, that’s just funny and a little bit ignorant.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:01 am 


Froch fought in Oakland? Check that again.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:57 am 


@smitti the arm chair pugilist..You can fook off too.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:55 am 



you seriously think getting travelling to a different city in your own country is fighting away, please don’t say yes you complete imbecile.

Using your reasoning means Froch didn’t fight in his own back yard, as he is from Nottingham not London.

Take your head for a dump and do one you moron!!!!!”

Posted May 26, 2013 5:53 am 


Agreed hollow, I thought Kessler was poor last night compared to his usual standards. He took 5-6 Rounds to warm up and wasn’t as sharp shooting as he normally is. Froch did his job though you couldn’t ask for much more from him, still lunges and telegraphs that uppercut but he ain’t gonna change.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:50 am 


Why do you think he should rematch in the UK? The fight was a one sided beat down, the judges in the US were pretty irrelevant. With Kessler, the fight in Denmark was close and the judges had a decision to make which the hometown crowd could have affected. It’s amazing how big a role you believe geography plays in a fight, it only really matters if the fight is close. I don’t think Froch’s reversal last night proves the geography point either, Kessler has notably declined in the past 3 years which played more of a part.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:33 am 

Dan D

Ward will fight Froch again, but only in Oakland.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:22 am 

Dan D

No way will he fight in the UK. Froch has the courage to go to Oakland but Ward won’t return the gesture. The guy never fights away and, as such, will be considered a homeboy by many.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:19 am 


matthews let’s see him try it in the UK. Ward will lose! And that’s why he’s so determind not to fight in the UK. He knows it. Carl has more courage in his little finger than Ward has in his whole body.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:17 am 


ward seemed visibly annoyed when asked last night about fighting in the UK. he needs to!!!!! there is no way that fight is bigger in the states. personally i’d rather see Froch vs Kessler 3 in a stadium in amsterdam – its halfway & a good weekend on tour for both sets of fans

Posted May 26, 2013 5:14 am 


That chicken beat froch ass.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:04 am 


True greats fight abroad. They prove it across the world. The likes of Ward and Mayweather are pathetic.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:02 am 


HollowOriginal … Ward is a chicken, he only fights in USA. He’s gutless. And he knows it. He’ll never be an all time great. No chance. Not until he fights outside his backyard. The same applies to all boxers from the USA.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:59 am 


Not an interesting fight – Ward would win for sure dominating Froch all the way i a very onesided afair

Posted May 26, 2013 4:55 am 


I just watched the Ward Boone fight on Youtube; and I don’t know what fight you were watching but I started counting as soon as he hit the deck and he was up by the count of 5 or 6.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:52 am 


He was up on 5 against Boon you joker. He dominated the best in the division and the best in the division above. Ward’s fights are dull because he’s a level above everyone else and one sided beatings are never classics.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:48 am 


Wards style isn’t boring if you know how hard it is to do the things he does. Super sweet fighter

Posted May 26, 2013 4:40 am 


I keep saying this but its true, Ward is not great, he got KTFO by Darnell Boon, Ref gave him 14 secs to get up a stagger back to corner, he should have a KO against him by rights. watch that on youtube

Posted May 26, 2013 4:34 am 


Atlantic city is only 500 miles closer to Oakland than Nottingham. What’s all this bs about Ward fighting in his back yard. The first fight was in a neutral venue. The result of the first fight was unanimous did anyone suspect that scoring in that fight reflected a US bias?

Posted May 26, 2013 4:24 am 


You got that right Benny !!! I just went on youtube to see Ward fighting tops i can do is 2 rounds of Ward and i click off. Way 2 boring man

Posted May 26, 2013 4:20 am 


Please no Ward I dont care of this boxing purest talk to me Ward is a complete snoozefest. I want to see heads rocked not Ward hugging all nite.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:18 am 


Ward is a LEACH, his style LEACHES OFF his opponents style, PARASITE STYLE.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:07 am 


Forget about Ward, PEDS make you train harder, but you can get tendon-muscle injuries.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:06 am 


and Froch didnt have to come to America and fight you , man up Ward you twat.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:06 am 


Andre The Chicken Ward. Same old story, won’t fight outside the USA. He’s so gutless. He knows if he fights in the UK he’ll lose, that’s why he said “We can fight at Wembley Stadium” because he knows 80,000 boxing fans would be there and he’d make a massive amount of money, so it softens the blow when Froch beats him. Froch has already fought him and lost convincingly in a fair fight in THE USA! And now that Chicken Ward wants him to go over there and fight him again. NO! Carl has earned the right with TWO world title belts to expect Ward to return the favour and come to the UK but Chicken Ward, like a lot of USA boxers don’t have the guts to fight outside their own country. Ward will never be considered a great until he steps outside the USA and fights abroad. Any boxer who fights only on home soil should never be considered a great.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:05 am 


Ward just has that style to totally nullify froch. Even If they fought 20 times I think ward would comfortably win them all without expanding to much effort in any of them…he’s more skilful, has better ring savvy and more physical strength than froch…

Posted May 26, 2013 4:04 am 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

I don’t think Ward is boring.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:03 am 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

I would love to see Ward-Froch II and/or Froch-Kessler III.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:02 am 


Froch isa truther. Even if Froch found a way to bet Ward what’s thepoint it would be a boring fight. 18,000 people tonight saw a good fight and Ward instead of Kessler people would of been snoozing. Ward is boring !

Posted May 26, 2013 4:02 am 

Yosser Hughes Ward

Lonely octupus Ward, that was a good one.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:56 am 

Yosser Hughes Ward

Stitch that.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:53 am 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

I am a huge Ward fan and I love his fights. I believe that he is the best Super Middleweight of the world.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:50 am 

Yosser Hughes Ward

No need to be like that.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:39 am 


Typical American too scared to fight out of their own backyard. Why is it the Americans always want to have the edge? How about proving yourself in your opponents backyard, then you can argue you are great.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:36 am 

Yosser Hughes Ward

You got a good dentist?

Posted May 26, 2013 3:35 am 

Koala Ward Eucalyptus tree

Not moving.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:31 am 

Time for the Ward

Fighting outside your state, edit.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:19 am 

Time for the Ward

You don’t even think you will have to fight outside the USA, let alone fighting in a different country, that is just foreign thinking.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:18 am 

Time for the Ward

It’s all riigged, Ward aint going to fight away, he confirmed it yesterday, not even thinking about it, never did, never will.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:15 am 


LOL At the photo.

Posted May 26, 2013 3:09 am 


would like to see ward vs froch in the uk

Posted May 26, 2013 3:02 am 

Time for the Ward

David Brent, learn to play Guitar.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:38 am 

Head Butts and Holds

Show him the money? About $100,000 should do it as he couldn’t fill a church hall in Oakland because of his boring style. Seriously, this fight in the UK and/or Nottingham specifically would make huge money. I’m sure a guaranteed $2,000,000 is fair money for Ward and then sort out the gate and PPV in the fine print. Ward would never see that kind of money in the states as he isn’t a headline act unless you need a cure for insomnia.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:09 am 

Time for the Ward

Ward v who, got to be Froch to make money, if you fight a mug for small money, then you prove it.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:09 am 

Time for the Ward

Super six, he still says he will not fight away, he can’t draw, you fight me, after the Froch v Kessler fight, Ward, keep fighting on small time cards.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:06 am 

Time for the Ward

Ward aint fighting no one, not himself, not god, not any fighter, bull sht.

Posted May 26, 2013 1:59 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

This rematch needs to be made in the UK this Summer @ a major stadium. The fight would be massive! How about George Grove VS Thomas Oosthuizen on the undercard?

Posted May 26, 2013 1:38 am 

Big Ham

I will say this fight does not get made unless it is in the UK. It will bring in twice as much revenue there. Will be a more exiting atmosphere and Ward will be paid more. Ward one the fight, but Froch is the bigger draw with better options open to him. What would really make this fight huge is if Froch fights hopkins first at a CW and beats him. But anyways i do not think froch should go to oakland to fight ward. Ward will also have the full support of HBO behind him in the UK and they will have neutral judges, he will be able to bargain that much out of it. And he will make more money. I think the fight has a high probability of getting made. Ward himself has already stated it is possible. Also i think Kessler should take an easy fight or two in Denmark for his fans and then retire. He is not the fast powerful athletic fighter he was 6-7 years ago. Froch seems near his prime. 1000+ hard punches and still looking fresh in the 12th was impressive.

Posted May 26, 2013 1:01 am 

big mike

Don’t do it. Don’t forget what happened to Dirrell. You’ll have to KO Froch. No decision for you over there.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:55 am 

Time for the Ward

Time for the Guru, Guru Ward.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:47 am 


Is he gonna get paid? I’m sure he is not going to get a smaller purse than froch. 50/50 at the most or 60/40 wards favor.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:39 am 


Ward WINS anywhere in the World.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:35 am 

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