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I agree that Chavez was not the same fighter when he fought Randall ,,,i even thought he won the first fight ,,except Richard Steel kept taking point from Chavez ,,,

Posted December 6, 2012 11:58 pm 

Jack Dempsey

Guys you have to remember that when Frankie Randall beat Chavez ,,,,,Chavez was on the down slide ,,,Chavez already had almost 100 fights ..there was not much left in Chavez …

Posted December 6, 2012 11:56 pm 

Freddy roachclip

When is the book coming out John?

Posted December 6, 2012 9:30 pm 

Jack Dempsey

No doubt about it” Roberto Duran ” is the third greatest fighter of all time ,,,,Only “Ali ” and ” Ray Robinson ” rank above him ..Duran the greatest Mexican fighter of all time ,,Yes you read right Mexican …

Posted December 6, 2012 8:11 pm 


great read found this pretty funny … “The referee said, “Marvin, can you see?” They were thinking about stopping the fight. He said, “Marvin can you see?”

And Marvin said, “I ain’t missing him, am I?”

And the doctor looks at the ref and says, “Let him go”……

Posted December 6, 2012 3:46 am 


Hildago stop being a hater. Guy is getting an insight and perspective from a trainer. Its some original thoughts memories and perceptions given here. Great piece

Posted December 5, 2012 9:29 pm 

Kid Blast

Ronald Reagan has te beat (in more ways than one).

Posted December 5, 2012 7:58 pm 


Not sure the records but Davey Moore probably had under 20 fights when he fought Kinchen but I do remember he only had 14 when he won the title. Duran ruined him and the way Berto looked against Guererro last week is the way I remember Moore looking after he fought Duran

Posted December 5, 2012 4:29 pm 


Interesting any way you look at it, insight is gold!!!

Posted December 5, 2012 4:15 pm 


Well agree Hagler has to be hands down the Mentally toughest fighter in the last 30 years . Yeah Mathis was before my era, but what I meant was guys who were considered career underachievers and heavy underdogs going into world title fights and producing
and going deep into their mental reserves and producing a performance against the odds .i.e. Douglas vs Tyson, Randall vs Chavez, Kinchen vs Hearns, Drayton vs davey moore. The difference is Hagler was able to summon that will and determination in virtually every performance.

Posted December 5, 2012 4:11 pm 


Ash-Hagler is my Fav of all time so I have to totally agree with you and Scully! He didn’t just wear the WAR hat he meant it. As for the Late 70s to 80s these guys were sick in the head compared to a lot of fighters recently, they had no regard for taking punishment. As for the Busters, pretty sure there was a Mathis too. Good to hear from a boxing fan from my era which I think is the greatest

Posted December 5, 2012 3:35 pm 


Yeah 1-2 great era of boxing, privileged in a way to have witnessed it. Great quote by ‘Iceman’ about the Marvin Hagler ‘Mindset’, fascinating also how seemingly totally unfancied guys like James Kinchen, Frankie Randall, Buster Douglas, and even Buster Drayton, were able to reach deep inside their reserves and enter the ring with a Marvin Hagler ‘Mindset’, a complete refusal to be denied.

Posted December 5, 2012 3:03 pm 


And James the heat Kinchen was a very good fighter as well! Great era! Curtis Parker, James hardrock Green and loads more. The welters to middles were stacked

Posted December 5, 2012 2:50 pm 


Ash- 2 great points! Leonard-Hearns 1 was one of my favorites but Hearns showed his greatness in the 2nd. Randall-Chavez 1 was a boxing clinic that none of the so called experts at the time ever thought Randall doing what he did to the great Chavez was even possible.

Posted December 5, 2012 2:41 pm 


Yeah gotta agree bored to death with the discussions about those fights. Would’ve been more interesting if he asked The Iceman about Frankie Randalls victory over Chavez now that was one of the most masterful displays of technical skill and mental focus in the last thiry years, but another fight that never gets mentioned.

Posted December 5, 2012 1:52 pm 


Strange how no-one discusses Hearns-Leonard (2) Leonard was very lucky to get away with a draw in an entertaining fight. Well likewise Hearns was lucky to get the decision against James ‘The Heat’ Kinchen, in another highly entertaining fight.

Posted December 5, 2012 1:40 pm 

Ronald Reagan

In my opinion, Pacquiao beat Marquez three times and will do so again in a few days time.

Posted December 5, 2012 1:13 pm 


Geoff, sometimes I wish you’d find another hobby. This article/interview was way too windy and entirely too long. Besides that, quit stirring up the sand at the bottom of the lake just to see it create a cloud. So many of those questions/controversies have been asked and answered so many times.

Posted December 5, 2012 12:22 pm 


whatever, funny, how John thinks Manny has to make all the adjustments. Manny beat Marquez twice, John and a whole host a people probably disagree but the fact is JMM loss! I do think that Manny will have to win decisively to even get a decision this time around a KO would be best.

Posted December 5, 2012 11:19 am 

Ted Sares

You can always learn from Ice

Posted December 5, 2012 11:05 am 

Ronald Reagan

Good interview.

Posted December 5, 2012 10:03 am 

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