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rob, TARK, ECAT, The Facts, where are you???????????

Posted June 2, 2014 12:29 pm 


@Rob….i’m still waiting for you to tell me who the Klit boys fought who were better than George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Ron Lyle, Larry Holmes, Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton…where are you???????

Posted June 2, 2014 4:22 am 


Hello……???????? lol

Posted June 1, 2014 6:57 pm 


@The Facts…with the Klits competition level at David toe Haye. They will probably fight until their 60 Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 1:32 pm 


@Rob…ok since your so funny. Just who did the Klits fight who were any good???????

Posted June 1, 2014 1:29 pm 


You’re fools !

Posted June 1, 2014 11:26 am 



Posted June 1, 2014 11:26 am 


Ernie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Sonny Liston ,Joe Frazier are the best of the best ?????? Really????? Really?????? hahahahahahahahahaha

Posted June 1, 2014 10:19 am 

The Facts

Ali got his jaw broke by Ken Norton, went life + death x 3 with the guy and many people think Norton won all 3. Yeah, Ali had a great defense alright, duhhh! Wlad, reigning Champ today, is TWO YEARS OLDER now than Ali was when Ali got whupped by Leon Spinks. Facts. Sorry to break it to ya….

Posted June 1, 2014 8:43 am 

GOTCHA PU$$Y!!!!!!!


Posted June 1, 2014 3:15 am 


SLIM says
Yeah but Ali fought the best of the best. Starting with Sonny Liston and ending with Larry Holmes…who the fack did the Klits fight??n David Haye…LOL!!!!!!!


Posted May 31, 2014 7:01 pm 


Bowe was much more exciting

Posted May 31, 2014 6:49 pm 


Ali rematched the Norton fight and won convincebly…also when Leon Spinks got on he was on the down side of his career. cut the crap…you guys have klit piss dripping from your mouths.

Posted May 31, 2014 3:38 pm 



Posted May 31, 2014 2:07 pm 


–> bowe


SLIM, punch, curtley — Again: Ali made a MILLION technical errors…he wasn’t a big puncher…he had no body attack…couldn’t fight inside and he had a HORRIBLE defense…Ali got hit a lot!!! MA was beaten up by novice Leon, who only weighed 197…by Norton, who was knocked out by the 188-pound novice Jose Luis Garcia.
Foreman couldn’t box…therefore he was easy to beat for MA. He couldn’t even land a big punch on JY… He couldn’t handle a jab… jab less Morrison and Briggs out-jabbed Foreman. Tyson lacked defensive skills — just watch Tyson vs Douglas. Holyfield was out-boxed by Toney, Donald, Coward Bowe…and floored by Ruiz…

But they all would’ve “knocked the f#ckin bums” Vitali and Wlad OUT! Yeah…right….STRONZI…!

Posted May 29, 2014 3:24 pm

Posted May 31, 2014 1:59 pm 


Bowe lacked defensive skills, punching power, work ethic, he had NO HEART and he WAS a COWARD… he dumped his WBC belt in the bin rather than fight LL!

Bowe would destroy WK??? GTFOH!!

Posted May 31, 2014 1:55 pm 


Why Bowe? I didn’t mention Bowe…

Posted May 31, 2014 1:38 pm 

The Facts

PS, Wlad crushes 70’s Ali.

Posted May 31, 2014 1:30 pm 

The Facts

Jimmy Young beat George Foreman. Foreman was floored and saved by the bell against Ron Lyle too. Ken Norton got blasted out several times by lesser all-round boxers. Norton struggled with tall punchers. Frazier was demolished x 2 by Foreman who was stopped by Ali who went life + death with Norton x 3. These are all facts. Now some opinion. The Klitschkos start at least evens in mythical fights with almost all those guys. Prime for prime, Wlad beats Frazier, Lyle, Shavers and Norton. Jerry Quarry who was basically a cruiserweight beat Lyle and Shavers. Larry Holmes might outbox Wlad. Ali at his peak in the mid to late 60’s can beat Wlad. Young Foreman might stop Wlad, or alternatively, run out of steam. Liston would quit inside the distance if he couldn’t ko Wlad early…Vitali can hang with any of them too…

Posted May 31, 2014 1:28 pm 


Believe me, prime Riddick Bowe would destroy Wladimir Klitchko.

Posted May 31, 2014 1:05 pm 


ECAT…you don’t jack. Ernie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Sonny Liston ,Joe Frazier. I doubt the Klits could beat any of them! Quit drinking all that Klit piss…

Posted May 31, 2014 1:02 pm 


ECAT.., I think you underestimate Riddick Bowe!!!Riddick Bowe had incredible power , a great , great jab , a great right hand , left hook , could fight inside and out and I’m sure he could have beaten Lennox Lewis!! Riddick a coward ? I don’t think so he wanted the Lennox Lewis fight ! But because Lennox became mandatory and was getting 45 % instead of 25 % Newman talked him out of it. By the way, he had one of the best trainer of all time, the great Eddie Futch!

Posted May 31, 2014 12:47 pm 


im the greatest of all time!!!!!!!!

Posted May 31, 2014 12:41 pm 


SLIM — I’ve read your posts and I don’t know if I should laugh or cry…
Again you have proven your ignorance… In this age of information your lack of knowledge is a choice.

Foreman was a great puncher in his prime but he obviously NEVER LEARNED HOW TO BOX! That’s why he was easy to beat for Ali!

Don’t get me wrong, MA was a great fighter, but he was certainly not the “GREATEST.”
I mean a lousy defender — “THE GREATEST” ?! WTF?!

“Ali fought the best of the best” … please name them!
Evangelista??? Wepner??? Spinks???

Holmes, yes, he was a great fighter, a great defender…he never took a lot of punishment. And he was too good for Ali.

Posted May 31, 2014 12:19 pm 


Ali danced a lot that is not the same as having good defense, he had poor peripheral vision and his reflexes were mediocre. He never met a left hook his jaw didn’t like. If he was dancing he wasn’t punching, that’s not the same as good defense. He was however a fabulous warrior and indeed one of the greatest.

Posted May 31, 2014 12:05 pm 

Aussie Joe

Ali fought bums all over the world.

Posted May 31, 2014 11:52 am 


Ali can’t have had that great a defense, the dude’s been a cabbage since the 80’s.

Posted May 31, 2014 11:45 am 


Tainer1965 — …compared with WK’s defense!

Posted May 31, 2014 11:23 am 


the klits fought bums

Posted May 31, 2014 10:32 am 


Tark.., eCat wrote ‘Ali had a horrible defense’. That’s not true! Ali had a very good defense! His footwork was a work of art and served as the foundation for his very crafty defense.

Posted May 31, 2014 10:12 am 


the biggest names on the klits list are fat lennox lewis and a prima donna called david toe haye.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:09 am 


Ali made Liston quit TWICE….Tyson was a quitter too when he met his match…Frazier was bombed out twice by Foreman who himself was outwitted by Ali and Young in his prime years…Norton lost quite a few, bombed out several times…Louis lost three times including being destroyed first time by Max Schmeling, was being outboxed by Billy Conn and was floored numerous times, Ali himself went life and death THREE times with Norton…yes, it’s indeed time to take off the nostalgic rose-tinted glasses…

Posted May 31, 2014 6:19 am 


Yeah but Ali fought the best of the best. Starting with Sonny Liston and ending with Larry Holmes…who the fack did the Klits fight??n David Haye…LOL!!!!!!!

Posted May 31, 2014 5:02 am 


… “Ali’s defense was his lightening fast footwork.”

Especially when he was against the ropes, covering up, and getting hammered. Or pulling back from blooping left hooks and getting decked, or getting his jaw busted.

You say that was when he was old??? Three of the knockdowns happened when Ali was in his 20’s. He was 29 when Frazier belabored him on the ropes.

He was fast, but not very masterful. He took a lot of incoming. Unlike Wladimir he didn’t get better with age.

Posted May 31, 2014 3:22 am 



Ecat.., Ali’s defense was his lightening fast footwork.

Posted May 31, 2014 1:37 am 


Ecat.., Ali’s defense was his his lightening fast footwork.

Posted May 31, 2014 1:32 am 


Sredmond you’re an ignorant ass. Dementia is the least of your problems. You live in zu zu land.

Mayweather hadn’t beaten anyone before he beat Genero Hernandez.. He still got the opportunity.. He was still one of the best boxers in the world.. It’s not the experience or opponents who make anyone great.. It’s raw talent and how developed it is.. Lara and Porter have recently developed their abilities to a great degree.. Enough to score a major upset if they get the deserved chance.

Shawn Porter also beat Devon Alexander, who beat Floyd’s last opponent Maidana—so his destruction of the tough chinned Paulie isn’t Porter’s only great win… He’s an Undefeated World Welterweight Champion as well, so it’s not as if there’s no basis for him getting a Floyd fight.

All you’re doing is making excuses for Floyd. You’re his chief bum sucker on this site.

Posted May 30, 2014 10:04 pm 

Henry miller

I’m okay with people questioning conventional wisdom. I quite fancy iconoclasm too. People need not cry like nappied baby when their heroes legacies are challenged.

I agree partially with Tark re Ali. Alis legacy is built on undoubted boxing ability and his role in historical events. In some ways he is bigger than boxing. He also lost three of the best years of his life so we imagine what if. There is a large amount of emotion behind his legacy. It has nearly become religious and beyond debate. And that is a sad thing. I also agree Holmes is hugely under rated, as foreman over rated. Of heavyweights I can’t see anyone being better than the brown bomber, and for the best ever, lil Henry seems in my eyes, unsurpassable.

Posted May 30, 2014 8:58 pm 


yes, a lower level, but he was an ATG

Posted May 30, 2014 4:57 pm 


ali was on another level to these robots.

Posted May 30, 2014 4:06 pm 


your at troll level 100 cracka boy…lol

Posted May 30, 2014 10:52 am 


you just leveled up uncletom. TROLL – LEVEL 80

Posted May 30, 2014 10:30 am 


troll it ng ga

Posted May 30, 2014 10:22 am 


luvah boy! You keep believing that crap. Drinking that Klit piss…cause when you talk crap about Ali you lose more and more credibility. Ali would’ve danced circles around them fools. Put they ass to sleep like Foreman in “Rumble in the Jungle” deal with it. You don’t know jack sh#t.

Posted May 30, 2014 10:15 am 



Posted May 30, 2014 9:52 am 


“Luvah” is a foolish child, Ali is a legend of the sport and will remain so till time freezes over.. The Klits would love to have a 1/10 of his fame instead they cannot even give their fights away outside of Germany (SADDDDDDD!!!!)

Posted May 30, 2014 9:48 am 



Posted May 30, 2014 9:41 am 


@luvah…shut the fack up! You wouldn’t recognize a good fighter if he punched you in ur ugly face. Now have nice day.

Posted May 30, 2014 9:28 am 


Tark, explain to us all how Kell Brook, Shawn Porter, Thurman and Lara became so important to an ATG fighters legacy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA?? Again beating Paulie Malignaggi hardly qualifies you as a massive threat! Maidana legitimately upset Broner and has been a nightmare for pretty much everyone he has faced, a few of the boxers you mentioned would be hard pressed to defeat that wild Argentine fighter, we had Lara getting banged up by Angulo before turning the tide and getting gifted against Molina, he is a very good fighter that said call me when he gets by Canelo who Floyd handled with ease… Brook and Thurman are just names you are tossing about because you are bored and the creeping dementia has you scared.

Posted May 30, 2014 9:21 am 


he’s not uncle Remus he’s uncle Tom

Posted May 30, 2014 9:18 am 

K2 Fan

It was so nice to have read some actually ; intelligent , objective posts lately , untainted with venom and a pathological need to distort the truth . And then ; Uncle
Remus – Sredmond came back ! With his multiple posts ,
using multiple names and his sick obsession with the Klitchkos . Too bad , when he was gone , I was actually hoping , he was getting professional treatment for his condition !

Posted May 30, 2014 8:33 am 


hug alis nuts tight troll he hit like a girl got owned by hobos boring bum lightheavy boy

Posted May 30, 2014 8:06 am 


Most of Trouts rep comes from beating Cotto, so shouldn’t Mayweather get the lions share since he beat him first? The fight before?

Posted May 30, 2014 8:04 am 


Mayweather has 3 fights left with a HUGE guarantee and they have to be bankable, Brook is an unknown to US fans and Porter and Thurman are just getting started.. If Lara dominated Canelo that could be a sellable story because Alvarez did a huge fight with FMJ and is now a PPV fighter… Absent an impressive win Lara is just another name being trotted out.. Tarks a fool, the defining fights of Floyd’s career are now Lara, Thurman, Porter and Brook HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted May 30, 2014 8:03 am 


Funny pic used for this article lol

Posted May 30, 2014 7:33 am 


Cotto was coming direct of a loss when Trout best him, a damn good win for Trout but Mayweather was the first guy to defeat Cotto at 154 and that’s NOT Floyd’s best division, he also handed Canelo his first “L” despite that not being FMJs best weight class… Tarks a moron, Mayweather had never let any of these guys beat him and now he is Trotting out Brook, Porter and Lara as “the men” when NONE of them beat a single guy that Floyd would even get credit for! Trout was coming off a loss, Brook beat who of significance? And Porter beating Malignaggi means what? Thurman beating SotoKarass who Maidana KOed means he’s FMJs bettor? GTFOH These boys ain’t prime time players and when Canelo beats Lara I wanna see Tark extend Floyd credit for besting Alvarez… But he won’t even thought he used to call Floyd “The Goat”

Posted May 30, 2014 7:32 am 


Vitalis retirement should provide a glimpse into the perception of the Klits reign, no one is talking about him as a fighter..
It was a relative non event, he was consistent against unremarkable opponents that failed to provide a platform for glory and true historical standing..Wlad will be remembered more clearly yet there are no defining moments or opponents to do more than make him a statistical wonder..

Posted May 30, 2014 6:50 am 


Ali is EASILY the most LOVED and FAMOUS boxer in the history of the sport..! The guy added flair and panache to the game mixed with being a WINNER, he had classic 15 round bouts that are memorable by name only.. A few kooks on a message board can’t uend the legacy of a guy who met countless Presidents and World leaders these corny knocks like “draft dodger” are simply FUNNY and illustrative of the bitter nature of many dumb posters who have never served a second in the military fighting a war that was beyond unpopular.. As for Floyd vs Manny it has been OVER for a long time, their companies don’t work together and PAC Man getting cold cocked took the edge off the fight, both are in their final contracts and discussing retirement so te results will be attacked by angry posters on either side… Mayweather outboxes him do you REALLY think the creeps on here are gonna accept that result even thought Floyd’s older?? No they will have a boatload of excuses as to why Manny lost.. And vice versa, thus fight is NOT happening and if it did in a couple years it will be more cash grab than anything else… Time to let go

Posted May 30, 2014 6:46 am 


sorry but hasn’t th authur got it wrong in his title!! now i waqs of the mind that Haye had been calling out the K’ brothers for a good while before Wlad posted on you tube!

Posted May 30, 2014 5:31 am 

The Prince

The fight is not going to happen, not because Manny or Floyd are scared of each other; it’s because of the boxing promotional bodies and the two major networks that took sides. Until people talk about how the boxing politics are keeping the best fights from happening, nothing will change. And Ali’s legacy is secure. He will be forever known as “The Greatest” and Klits we never come close to that, but please, don’t let me stop you people from your sad arguments.

Posted May 30, 2014 4:15 am 


@Tark…dude you are lost! Your bringing up fights when Ali was was past his prime. And I don’t want to hear that crap about Floyd is 37 or Sergio is 39. Depends on your career fool. For you to talk crap about “Ali” who is considered the “Greatest” is borderline criminal. I will not respond to any more of your post. You are lost. Have a nice day.

Posted May 30, 2014 4:11 am 


The only good boxer Ali ever fought, who was anywhere close to Ali in size, was Larry Holmes… Holmes won every minute of every round until Ali quit.

The other good boxers Ali fought: Ellis was tiny… Young couldn’t punch hard enough to dent Jello… Doug Jones was a light heavyweight… Bob Foster was a light heavyweight… Ellis fought most his his pro fights as a middleweight … That’s it!!!

Holmes was the only guy close to Ali’s size who could really box, defend himself well, and jab people to death… Ali didn’t have a prayer against Holmes.

Posted May 30, 2014 3:39 am 


Ali had more high profile fights that all the people on your list Tark. He fought the very best from 3 different eras and was mostly victorious. Your claims Tark are pitiful.

Posted May 30, 2014 3:14 am 


@Tark…yeah but that was old for him. Remember he fought Sonny Liston. I liked him if you don’t more power to you. Have a nice day.

Posted May 30, 2014 2:42 am 


SLIM says.., “Ali was a old man when Leon Spinks got on. Are you kidding me??” … LMFAO, Ali was only 36 for Spinks.

Floyd is 37, Wladimir is 38, Sergio is 39 … all way older.

Stop making excuses for Ali

Posted May 30, 2014 1:42 am 


You know.., Floyd has often said Cotto is the best fighter he ever fought. Trout beat Cotto by as wide a margin as Floyd did—without absorbing as much damage—but I would tend to agree with Floyd’s assessment that Cotto is the best he faced.. Cotto has an ATG jab.. It’s nice. It’s smooth. It’s well timed. It’s beautifully delivered. Cotto caught Floyd with some beauts, evading his stellar defense. Roger had to break out the King Sized Q-Tips and shove them up Floyd’s nose … to stem the bleeding those superb jabs drew forth.

Now… What if Floyd fought somebody who could not only jab well, but defend just as well??? Throw the right counter with brilliant range and timing??? Rip the left hook with more deception and accuracy??? Attack the body with skilled precision??? And control the ring space with masterful generalship??? Floyd would be taking a huge risk.

That’s why we’ll never see Floyd fight Lara, Porter, Brook, Thurman, or even Pacquiao… Pac is not as fabulous a boxer as these other technicians, but is fast and slick enough to pose risks … Next up??? Khan

Posted May 30, 2014 1:35 am 


Great thread, funny stuff

Posted May 30, 2014 1:17 am 


@Reem…the truth hurts?? What the fack are you talking about. This is a boxing forum with opinions…You all can drink the Klits piss. That’s fine with me! Quit taking this crap so serious. I am not…LOl.

Posted May 30, 2014 1:16 am 


This idiot says.., “This is all wishful thinking, however, because the entire idea of Floyd or Manny making a video calling out the other is predicated on the idea that one of them actually wants to fight the other. And clearly that is not the case, as Mayweather and Pacquiao have both illustrated repeatedly.”

Pacquiao has repeatedly called Floyd out… Floyd has never called Pacquiao out… How can you get so mixed up????

Floyd NEVER negotiated with the Pacquiao team in good faith. He just used every single ruse and excuse in the book and keeps inventing new ones.

Floyd has even said he doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao and hopes the fight will never be made… Not only that!!!

Floyd will never fight Lara… never fight Porter… never fight Brook… and never fight Thurman… He’ll never fight a prime boxer with superb boxing skills EVER!!!!!

Floyd doesn’t want to risk that “O” that’s his whole deal.

Posted May 30, 2014 1:05 am 


mogrelovic is hamster

Posted May 30, 2014 12:58 am 


@Mongrelovic, good post!

Posted May 30, 2014 12:46 am 


LMAO @Slim, truth hurts doesn’t it?


SLIM… “The Klits aren’t any good. They’re just WAY bigger than everybody else. Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Tyson in his prime would’ve knocked the f#ckin bums OUT! Have a nice day..”

Only someone completely unknowledgeable about the sport would say something like that. In three sentences you proved that you know nothing about boxing.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:01 am

Posted May 30, 2014 12:17 am 


This pundit says.., “Wladimir wanted to fight Haye, and why wouldn’t he? Aside from being naturally bigger, far stronger, and a much more skilled and gifted athlete.”

Much more skilled and gifted than Haye???

I’m not sure how much more skilled and gifted an athlete ANYBODY ever was than David Haye. If you take Haye in his peak fight—versus Dereck Chisora, a man who outweighed Haye by 37 pounds? … That was a great performance against a guy no other heavyweight has ever come close to stopping. Haye just flat out mastered the cat.

Haye overtrains… He kills his body. There’s a point where, if you keep pushing, you’re not going to make any more gains … In fact you’re breaking down at that point. Something is going to break, snap, strain, sprain, or tear. You don’t work out 3 times as hard just because you’re fighting guys who outweigh you 30 or 40 pounds.

Then you have to take weeks off to heal and start over again. That’s David Haye

Posted May 30, 2014 12:15 am 


By the way I do think the Mormeck fight was stupid and for money, kind of like all the dumb Ali defenses, can we say Wepner, or Evangalista, or Dunn? I wish they didn’t fight these fights, but guess what they all do.

Posted May 29, 2014 11:37 pm 


Sorry Redmond, in your case I just can’t teach blind dogs new tricks or even lessons. You are just a lost cause. So Ali against Foster a 41 lb weight advantage doesn’t count, or all the other gross mismatches? Lala land.

Posted May 29, 2014 11:35 pm 

floyd mayweather jr

Yes i remember. EASTSIDEBOXING.

Posted May 29, 2014 10:45 pm 


Laj, your thesis does NOT SELL, Ali fought under 200 pounds for part of his career and was never a big puncher.. Wlad is 6″6 245 pounds and he towers over opponents, he Vitali
And Lewis are SHW’s something Ali will never be accused of.. Wlad was 7 inches taller than poor, old, decrepit Mormek again I am not mad at Wlad for being big, but pretending he and Ali enjoyed relative parity as it pertains to size brands you the fool..

Posted May 29, 2014 8:31 pm 


the first half of that thread is HILARIOUS !!!!

LMAO !!!!

Posted May 29, 2014 8:19 pm 

Hec Dog

Manny Pacquiao vs Ruslan Provodnikov would be the most exciting fight in the history of boxing while it lasts, but the truth is that the legendary and only 8 division boxing champion in boxing history, Manny Pacquiao would seriously hurt his good friend. I for one am against it as is Freddie Roach. Manny basicaly taught Ruslan all he knows just as Shawn Porter has also. Manny does not only mold and make champions, but he builds friendships that last for a life time. People must understand that Manny Pacquiao is just now coming into his prime. He proves time and time again that he has the ability to adjust and change boxing styles depending on who he fights. Let’s forget Mayweather, Broner, Thurman, Marquez, Martinez, Cotto and Providnokov. None of these fighters has what it takes to beat Manny Pacquiao, trust me on this. No one has seen Manny Pacquiao at his best. Bradley just learned his lesson and gave Manny Pacquiao a ton of respect as should everyone else. Manny can move up or down a division or two because he has more naturally ability, speed, power and ring intellect to take on all styles. Marquez has been running around like a scared chicken giving excuses as to why he may or may not be interested in fighting Manny Pacquiao again. This is so unbelievable as we see Ped Man afraid to take on a guy he just beat. He’s afraid just as his trainer Nacho is. They both know the testing will be at the highest level, and Master Mixer Hereida can seem to mask his nutritional mix. I hope Provodnikov and Manny Pacquiao never fight because they are what is good in boxing and society. They are respectful, honorable, caring and support each other inside and outside the boxing ring. I think what will most likely happen is Martinez or Cotto fight Manny and Manny wins his unheard of 9th division boxing belt. Fighter of the decade, Only 8 division boxing champion and finally the only 9 division boxing champion in history. Manny Pacquiao is a monument. A shooting star that makes news just about every day. The world continues to be in awe of the legend. Manny Pacquiao will now be coaching a basketball team, and playing in games. What more is there for this man to do an accomplish. We all know what he’s done. Congressman, Greatest fighter of all time, Great Singer, Great Actor, Great Model, and he’s done it all by himself. Manny Pacquiao is an incredible human being that is beloved by the world. Manny is the best!

Posted May 29, 2014 7:50 pm 


Slim 6’7″ 285lbs, exactly who are you talking about. Neither Bro ever weighed close to 285??

Posted May 29, 2014 7:39 pm 


SRedmond size is relative. Facts are Ali held a bigger advantage than Wlad did over his foes when it came to both weight and reach. This is not Wlad compared to Ali, it is each compared to his opponents.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:37 pm 


… good night SLIM.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:27 pm 


This article makes NO sense and if I were Pacquio or one of his advisers, I’d urge hm to take on another champ in that weight division and if he wins, then he’d force Mayweather to fight him, and the champ I’m thinking of is Shawn Porter, now, that would be an all out war …But if he won, then the Mayweather fight would have to happen…… ” The Language of the Ring “

Posted May 29, 2014 7:15 pm 


Even DH is a better fighter than MA…a HEALTHY DH.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:08 pm 


@ECAT…you made some good points. But if you really believe those Klit bros. Would’ve been able to deal with “ALI” Cassius Clay in his prime then I have property I wanna sell you in my back yard. The Klits are tough and BIG 6 7″ 285lbs. But Clay would’ve put “HOT WAX” on them fools!!!! Believe that!!!! Have a nice day…

Posted May 29, 2014 6:54 pm 


trolls detected

Posted May 29, 2014 6:32 pm 


@HECDOG – is DELUSIONAL. Floyd’s been calling out WHO?????? GTFOH!!!!

Posted May 29, 2014 6:24 pm 


I wonder if Floyd forced T.I. to take random blood and urine testing before the Fat Burger showdown. Hahahahahahaha… What a Joker!

Posted May 29, 2014 6:21 pm 


i could address 6or7different names on here,but lets keep it simple.F~K OF Anonymous

Posted May 29, 2014 6:16 pm 


Besides Grabimir got knocked down multiples times and TKO 3 times. Now, how does that fit the bill for being technically better than Ali?

Posted May 29, 2014 6:09 pm 


Saying Grabimir has better footwork than Ali is pure BS , Ali in his early days was hardly touchable and moved with fluidity. Grabimir hardly throws any other punch other than a jab and a right hand whilst his main line of defence is to grab and put his weight on his opponents.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:36 pm 


Anyone pretending that Ali was a massive HW that enjoyed the physical advantages and strength of a Wlad Klits is seriously trying to spin the unpspinnable.. I don’t hold Klits size against him as a boxer but it does look tragic when a man that powerful is super cautious and finds a way to make unwatchable fights on a pretty consistent basis… Klits is routinely 4 or 5 inches taller than his opponents… Morons will try to sell us that the difference between Povetkin and Wlad was minor or Mormeck and Wlad GTFOH… Wlad is one of the biggest HW Champs in history and its all MUSCLE not some fat chump (to his credit) again he should not be penalized but pretending that Wlad is routinely the salme size as his opponents is crazy

Posted May 29, 2014 5:34 pm 



Posted May 29, 2014 4:53 pm 


Floyd’s been calling Manny out since 2009… he can’t make him fight… only his master Bob Arum has that power.
Perhaps Floyd should sign a contract with Golden Boy for a guaranteed purse and guaranteed percentage of PPV revenue and publicly approach Bob Arum with it with video cameras on from every direction.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:48 pm 


haye is a atg cw champ with only two cw title fights.that doesn’t sound right.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:35 pm 


wladimir wanted to fight sanders. corrie didn’t, instead sanders wanted to fight vitali for the vacant wbc belt.if sanders kept the wbo belt wladimir would have got the rematch.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:33 pm 


ali was bigger than liston.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:28 pm 


By the way one advantage Ali had over every fighter was mental. He was the master at winning fights out of the ring, at this he was the greatest hands down.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:55 pm 


Hi Curtley I personally think both Liston and Foreman are very overrated (although I love Big George). Liston was 2-2 in championship fights, and to me was mentally weak. Act crazy like Ali and Liston pissed his pants. You do realize Ali had been knocked down by both his previous opponents before Liston (by small men 180lbs), yet Liston couldn’t even hurt him when he was blind???? Foreman fought terrible competition, his opponents win ratio was ~70%, his title reign was 5-3 and his KO% in title fights was a dismal 50%, by the way he outweighed his opponents by an average of 20lbs. Both these men were slow as molasses, and won many fights by reputation and intimidation.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:53 pm 




Posted May 29, 2014 3:47 pm 


Apologies. Outweighed them by 20 lbs or more

Posted May 29, 2014 3:40 pm 



By I counted the number of times wladimir has outweighed his opponent as nine, one less than Ali. Either way there’s nothing in it.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:39 pm 


Don’t shoot me down though as I love boxing and Wlad has definitely converted me as I used to think he was average but I was obviously wrong and am not to proud to admit it!

Posted May 29, 2014 3:29 pm 


Laj you are correct and I fully agree but by then Ali was a shell of the fighter he once was, greatness is all dependent on whether you see it as numbers over a career ie Wlad and Floyd or the brilliance of a fighter at his peak ie a LW Duran or a welter weight Ray Robinson. I tend to opt for the latter but agree its harder to prove as its totally based on opinion rather than hard stats but these stats can often lie, you only have to see Sven Ottke to prove this to me Wlad is a cracking HW who could have mixed it any era, has only 3 losses in over 50 fights but if you look at greatness he cant in my eyes be compared to Ali who rocked the world vs Liston and Foreman!

Posted May 29, 2014 3:26 pm 


SLIM, punch, curtley — Again: Ali made a MILLION technical errors…he wasn’t a big puncher…he had no body attack…couldn’t fight inside and he had a HORRIBLE defense…Ali got hit a lot!!! MA was beaten up by novice Leon, who only weighed 197…by Norton, who was knocked out by the 188-pound novice Jose Luis Garcia.
Foreman couldn’t box…therefore he was easy to beat for MA. He couldn’t even land a big punch on JY… He couldn’t handle a jab… jab less Morrison and Briggs out-jabbed Foreman. Tyson lacked defensive skills — just watch Tyson vs Douglas. Holyfield was out-boxed by Toney, Donald, Coward Bowe…and floored by Ruiz…

But they all would’ve “knocked the f#ckin bums” Vitali and Wlad OUT! Yeah…right….STRONZI…!

Posted May 29, 2014 3:24 pm 


punch Wlad is overall a greater athlete, and he is much better defensively. Ali has the advantage on the inside and hand-speed, but Wlad has better reflexes, footwork, technique, and power. Wlad is definitely better technically, not sure skill wise, they are fairly close in my opinion, and both ATG’s. Ali had a will to win at any cost that Wlad probably doesn’t have.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:24 pm 


haye has pulled out of more fights than the italian army.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:20 pm 


He said ATG CW champ which cannot be debated really I agree that he is not an ATG fighter though but the only better CW was Holyfield!

Posted May 29, 2014 3:20 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

Hey Manny! Remember when Floyd said all that ILL SH!T about you on youtube? Then you signed that extension w/ your dad. Quackman.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:19 pm 


Hi Curtley, don’t forget Ali lost to Spinks, a really bad fighter, Louis lost to Schmelling, an average fighter, Lewis was KO’d twice by average fighters, Holmes was beaten by a LHW. S–t happens, it has hurt Wlad’s legacy, if it didn’t he would be #1 and there wouldn’t be any argument.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:19 pm 


david haye ATG.LMFAO.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:17 pm 


Ali did outweigh his opponent but it’s less often than Grabimir and that’s the point I’m trying to make. So how’s Grabimir more skillful? You guys haven’t answered that as you’ve purposefully moved away from premise of the discourse.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:11 pm 


Like him or not — but Haye is an ATG World CW Champion. Massive strength, deceptive speed, ring intelligence, KO power in BOTH hands… He’s a very dangerous puncher…he took out Chisora… and Wlad took some very good hits from him.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:10 pm 


That list is really interesting and I must admit I didn’t realise that Ali was quite a bit bigger than many of his fighters. The one thing I would point out though is Ali’s best victories were probably those against Liston and Foreman two guys who were not only bigger than him but were serious bad asses Wlad has never been in a situation where he has beaten a guy that he was not supposed to which although not his fault is to me the route to true greatness, in fact he has lost to guys he should never have in Purity, Sanders and Brewster which hurts his legacy in the fact that other than Brewster and with Sanders in particular he never wanted to avenge the loss this is the reason for me he sits behind Lennox who for all his faults brutally avenged his losses!

Posted May 29, 2014 3:08 pm 


can you imagine some of these big bums trying to go 15 rounds.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:59 pm 


Sorry Bacon, I like curry, but can’t cook.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:59 pm 

home cured bacon

Go cook a curry laj

Posted May 29, 2014 2:54 pm 


this guy said the only reason klitschko beat these guys because he so much bigger. but in the same breath he said the past champs who are so much smaller the wk can beat him. except for lewis all those past champ are small so how come they all can beat wladimir.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:50 pm 


The fact is most of the great champions on average were larger than their opponents. It didn’t start with Wlad, nor will it end with him. There are a few exceptions like Rocky, who on average fought at 183 vs opponents 191.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:48 pm 


Real mature Streaky. 10 yrs old maybe?

Posted May 29, 2014 2:45 pm 


Ali outweighed his opponents by 20 lbs or over at least 10 times.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:44 pm 


236¼ Trevor Berbick 218
217½ Larry Holmes 211½
221 Leon Spinks 201
224¼ Leon Spinks 197¼
225 Earnie Shavers 211¼
221¼ Alfredo Evangelista 209¼
221 Ken Norton 217½
220 Richard Dunn 206½
230 Jimmy Young 209
226 Jean-Pierre Coopman 206
224½ Joe Frazier 215½
224½ Joe Bugner 230
224½ Ron Lyle 219
223½ Chuck Wepner 225
216½ George Foreman 220
212 Joe Frazier 209
217½ Rudi Lubbers 196
212 Ken Norton 205
221 Ken Norton 210
217¼ Joe Bugner 219
221¼ Bob Foster 180
218 Floyd Patterson 188½
217½ Alvin Blue Lewis 223½
216 ½ Jerry Quarry 198
217½ George Chuvalo 221
226 Mac Foster 211¾
220 Juergen Blin 198
227 Buster Mathis 256
220½ Jimmy Ellis 189
215 Joe Frazier 205½
212 Oscar Bonavena 204
213½ Jerry Quarry 197½
211½ Zora Folley 202½
212¼ Ernie Terrell 212½
212¾ Cleveland Williams 210½
204¼ Karl Mildenberger 195
209½ Brian London 201½
201½ Henry Cooper 188
214½ George Chuvalo 216
210 Floyd Patterson 196¾
206 Sonny Liston 215¼
210½ Sonny Liston 218
207 Henry Cooper 185½
202½ Doug Jones 188
205 Charlie Powell 214
204 Archie Moore 191
199 Alejandro Lavorante 208
196 Billy Daniels 189
196½ George Logan 205
195 Don Warner 189½
194½ Sonny Banks 191¼
193 Willi Besmanoff 205¼
188 Alex Miteff 210
192½ Alonzo Johnson 189
194½ Duke Sabedong 225
192½ LaMar Clark 181½
190 Donnie Fleeman 184
193½ Jimmy Robinson 177
195 Tony Esperti 197
193 Herb Siler 191
192 Tunney Hunsaker 186

Posted May 29, 2014 2:38 pm 

streaky bacon

f~k of laj

Posted May 29, 2014 2:29 pm 


Punch are you really that stubborn? Let’s see there is Patterson and Ellis 218 vs 188, now let’s see that is 30lbs, or Quarry 217 vs 198 20lbs, or LHW Foster 221.5 vs 180 lbs, a 41.5 lbs advantage. Really!!!!!

Posted May 29, 2014 2:14 pm 


Eddie Cham-bers was outweighed by over 20 pounds and gave up 13cm in height and 15cm in reach!!! Mormeck gave up 17cm in height , 18cm in reach and got outweighed by over 20 pounds!!! now I’ve posted a few facts about Grabimir’s last few opponents and you only have Cooper, hahaha.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:04 pm 


Stupid Brit — It was worth every single Euro! Great, great atmosphere even though it rained…

Posted May 29, 2014 1:57 pm 


I take it since you don’t want to face the truth you are just a afraid of it. You are looking in rose colored glasses at your hero, so no one will be able to change your mind, but here are the facts Wlad ave 236.12 opponents 234.85 or .53% difference. Ali 209.75 opponents 204.8 or 2.28%. Again data is on-line. Example against Cooper who basically KO’d Ali it was 207 Ali 185.5 Cooper. See how easy it is to show your arguement is just wrong. Admit it, don’t be such a fool.

Posted May 29, 2014 1:54 pm 


@laj your claim doesn’t hold up.
Alex leapai weighed the same as Grabimir, but he give a up 15cm in height and 16cm in reach!!!
Alexander Povetkin weighed 16 pounds less, gave up 8cm in height and 15cm in reach!!!
Besides Mariusz Wach most of Grabimir’s opponents have been undersized and outweighed. You dont want me to post the difference between him and Jean Marc Mormeck or Eddie Chamber, which were a totally joke, Grabimir should be ashamed.
So where did you pull out that stats of yours from? I stand by my claim that it’s from your a$$.

Posted May 29, 2014 1:45 pm 


Punch, otherwise you could just go to boxrec and do the work yourself, but that would be a lot to ask, so I am willing to make it easy on you. Are you scared to learn the real truth?

Posted May 29, 2014 1:34 pm 


Puch I will be happy to send you the spreadsheet moron. Give me your e-mail address and it will be on the way.

Posted May 29, 2014 1:20 pm 

Stupid Brit

Stupid Brit fans paid for Clinchko v Toe man Haye, that’s mainly who, lol! Went over to Germany spending their cash to see Haye do nothing, haha!!

Posted May 29, 2014 12:42 pm 


Really Voice of Boxing, so tell us when was the last time Wlad tasted the canvas? Over 9 yrs and all those years at a championship level. He gassed twice so were is the weak chin? He also has finished very fight on his feet. Really get a clue, no guts, he got off the canvas three times against the most feared puncher in boxing at the time Sam Peter. You ever been in the ring? Everyone that ever steps in the ring has heart and courage, until you have done so STFU.

Posted May 29, 2014 12:35 pm 


wlad clenchko v the toe man.who paid for that classic.

Posted May 29, 2014 12:29 pm 


Punch apparently you have never really done any research, Fact statistically and easily verified, Wlad has outwieghed his opponents by and average of < 1lb or .53%. Fact Ali outweighed his opponents by an average of 5lbs or 2.28%. So next stupid argument??

Posted May 29, 2014 12:28 pm 


Pactards talk smack about Justin Bieber. Bieber is banging Adriana Lima!

Posted May 29, 2014 12:27 pm 


i think that a mistake when you said ali reach was 79. i have seen in other sources his reach was 83.

Posted May 29, 2014 12:27 pm 


klitschko get stop three time and has a glass jaw. but lewis get stop twice in worse fashion and doesn’t have a glass jaw. how does that work. i guess it work when you’re a nuthugger.

Posted May 29, 2014 12:25 pm 

sean p h

King wlad klitschko

Posted May 29, 2014 12:10 pm 


thanks docter.

Posted May 29, 2014 12:01 pm 


This debate was sparked by the mere claim that Grabimir was more skilled than Ali which in my opinion is nothing short of a fantasy and hardly based on facts.
So, I posed a question to highlight the conspicuous difference between the two men and how they physically match up with their opponents.
You proved my point by posting your list which underscores the fact that Ali wasn’t mostly the bigger, taller man enjoying a 20 pound weight advantage over his opponents in the ring, an advantage which Grabimir has found a way to use to drain his opponents before knocking them out. So, saying Grabimir is more skilled than Ali is a big, fat liar that can’t pass the smell test given all the advantages Grabimir almost always enjoys over his opponents. Size DOES matter if both fighters have comparable skillset a reason why there are weight classes. However, this is the heavyweight and Lewis DID rely a lot on his size to win fights especially the Tua fight but he wasn’t close to being such an octopus that Grabimir is.

Posted May 29, 2014 12:00 pm 


ALTHO, IF I’m correct the reach is merely the wingspan, which incorporates the length of the upper back…. I rather look at the length of the arms and forearms as a better guide.

Some guys like Maurice Blocker were real bean poles, skinny as, so their arch really was a reach, but guys like BERTO with broad backs actually do not have as long a reach as you may think.

Hope this post makes sense as I’m out and about and rushing for public transport!

wingspan = fingertip to fingertip

Posted May 29, 2014 11:59 am 



Posted May 29, 2014 11:57 am 



Welterweight Paul Williams had a 82 in reach
At least I always thought it was 82″

According to Box Rec it was 79″
Still insane for a Welterweight

Posted May 29, 2014 10:28 am

My guy, Tommy Hearns has a wingspan of 78″ which was more freakish back in the 80’s to be a 6′ 1″ Welterweight in the lates 70s and 80s!

Posted May 29, 2014 11:54 am 


squeaked by valuev? lol – hats off for getting in the ring with him david and almost knocking him out with your left hand! amazing!!!

Posted May 29, 2014 11:54 am 

Thurmal Underwear


Vitali gave Lennox problems in their fight. He took Lewis’ best punches. Lennox promised post fight, in the ring to give Vitali a rematch. He was scared, I dont care what anyone says.
Posted May 29, 2014 9:58 am

^another guy saved by a bad cut. yeah, he wanted no parts of a rematch.

Posted May 29, 2014 11:49 am 

dick tiger

SRedmond, I agree with you. I much rather read an article about an up and coming prospect, that the SOS about Many an Floyd.

Posted May 29, 2014 11:39 am 



Posted May 29, 2014 11:29 am 

The Voice of Boxing

Why as soon as someone picks one fighter over another people start calling them names? I am a fan of boxing and not just one fighter and although generally, I prefer a slick boxer if he has no punch nor will finish a guy off when he has a chance, he will never be my favourite.
I also love action fighters because I pay my money to see someone get KTFO. Having said that, I do not hate MMA I just think it is just too brutal. Let me explain. In boxing when a man is down you don’t jump on him like a wounded animal and bludgeon him like you want to kill him. MMA does that and I find it gruesome.
I like Gatti, Saad Muhammad, Duran, Chavez, GGG and guys like that. I have never been a BHOP fan because he is way too boring and cheats. I do respect what he has done and the same for Floyd. But Floyd fights too cautious. The Floyd of the late 90’s at 130 & 135 was tremendous. He was slick and KTFO people he wore down.
Vitali is a warrior but Wlad is a scared bum. No way he would have won a title in the 50-80 era. First there was usually 1, maybe 2 titles, held by very good fighters and they quickly unified it, so a great fighter held it. Vitali would have done well and maybe won a title but not Wlad. No chin, no guts and so no glory.

Posted May 29, 2014 11:26 am 


can you imagine ali or marciano with a bad toe

Posted May 29, 2014 11:23 am 


david toe haye.the muppet with the big mouth and no heart.

Posted May 29, 2014 11:14 am 

St Vitus Dance

If the author could just show us his world title belts, achievements as a licenced professional or amateur fighter………………….no? Maybe it would be better not to belittle anybodys achievements then. Haye may not have beaten WK but he hurt him on a couple of occasions, and he was ultra cautious and he hardly blew him away did he? Haye is annoying as he is a genuinely talented fighter, but he has had a serious shoulder injury which has kept him out of the ring, I would like to see him fight again, his win against Chisora doesn’t look bad now, does it?

Posted May 29, 2014 11:00 am 


Doesnt Intentional Butt, the moderator here have a thread for this. The whine about Pac/May express.

Posted May 29, 2014 10:48 am 


Yep, good point. The Cubans Stevenson and Savon were big men too. No one says they were just too big and tall and had no skills when they dominated their often smaller amateur rivals…some people have to get over colour and their closed-minded agendas. Europe has ruled and is still ruling the Heavyweight game for the last 10+ years…Lewis, both Klitschkos…

Posted May 29, 2014 10:37 am 


Paul Williams had a freakish wingspan for a welterweight.

Posted May 29, 2014 10:35 am 


Wladimir didn’t used to hold much at all before he hooked up with Steward. It’s actually very rare for Eastern European fighters to do that. They also tend to be some of the least dirty fighters out there as well.

Posted May 29, 2014 10:34 am 


And where do you think Wladimir learnt to hold? From his American trainer. The same one who taught Lewis how to hold. You’ll find that the vast majority of fighters who hold to excess are either American or are trained by trainers who spent time over in American gyms studying under the tutelage of American trainers.

Posted May 29, 2014 10:32 am 


Wlad won Olympic gold at 20. Everyone with sense knew both Klitschkos would do well as pros with their pedigree, size, power etc and that was back in 1996 when Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson were still around! Wladimir Klitschko is an All Time Great Heavyweight Champion, WBA/IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Champ, longtime #1, 62-3, unbeaten in ten years…deal with it, suckas!

Posted May 29, 2014 10:29 am 


Welterweight Paul Williams had a 82 in reach
At least I always thought it was 82″

According to Box Rec it was 79″
Still insane for a Welterweight

Posted May 29, 2014 10:28 am 


I’ve never once heard anybody use the size advantage argument to try an undermine Cuban legends Savon and Stevenson dominance.

Posted May 29, 2014 10:26 am 


Havent seen it but if it was a Klitschko video im sure it will be boring

Posted May 29, 2014 10:13 am 


Lennox listened to his Mum
She wanted him to retire
Vitali and Wladimir listen to their Mum to not fight each other

Big blokes as they were, they all done what they were told by their Mum

Posted May 29, 2014 10:13 am 


Old Lewis sent Vitali packing and now Klits is a forgotten champ… These ESB writers are the LAZIEST QUIFFS on the Earth! Trying to find 100000 spins on May vs PAC, ignoring promotional politics etc…WRITE about something else! Or fights that are happenening Mayweather fights again in Sept and Manny in Nov, there is 0000 chance they fight this year… The bout is stale for gods sake learn about a couple other compelling matchups..

Posted May 29, 2014 10:13 am 


Vitali gave Lennox problems in their fight. He took Lewis’ best punches. Lennox promised post fight, in the ring to give Vitali a rematch. He was scared, I dont care what anyone says.

Posted May 29, 2014 9:58 am 


Haye is a chump. Oh his big little or was it big, toe hurt this is why he could not perform. Ali broke his jaw in the Norton fight and still performed. Haye is a chump and con man.

Posted May 29, 2014 9:48 am 



Posted May 29, 2014 9:35 am 



I did not say it was wrong for HAYE to pull out of a fight where most of his income would be in UK TV revenue. What pees me off with HAYE and Groves is that they are habitual liars and gameplayers.

The public would understand if he admitted he was pulling out because he wasn’t getting paid, but to make up bs excuses about back injuries is a bit thick and people would’ve understood that Groves was scared for his life after getting death threats to be shot if he stepped in the ring with Kenny Anderson once more.

The truth is we want the truth and not bs lies.

Look at Oscar De La Hoya… That twat is like a running tap these days as he’s lied so much in the past, he can’t help but dribble out all his lies about cross-dressing, trying to steal Pac from under Bob’s nose in 2006 and every other transgression he’s done, including drugs, because he has such a weight of guilt on his shoulders.

HAYE wanted to get paid and I have no issue with that.

My issue is that the rumours were out there re Setanta, he said it wasn’t so and we kept pumping in our subscriptions to a ship that was already taking in water.

I saw the same signs at a gym I used to use back in 2005. in the months before they went under they literally doubled their footprint by getting in OAPS at lunchtime (when I used it) on Tuesdays and Thursdays and drumming up all these catchy little packages for students etc and getting all the new people to sign up for a year in advance.

Thank God I was on a monthly debit and I was tipped off by POPEYE (people may know this geezer) when he came in and took down all his boxing bags, speedball and other boxing equipment…

I cancelled my contract there and then and others had big troubles getting their money back.

Just another Cautionary Tale!!!

Posted May 29, 2014 9:27 am 


the heavyweight division was not that great in the 30’s, 50’s and early 80’s.

Posted May 29, 2014 9:25 am 

drunk pom

John l Sullivan just walked into a bar and ask for a fight …why doesn’t PAC just walk into Floyd’s gym (with a film crew) and ask for a fight

Posted May 29, 2014 9:01 am 


Ali was often the bigger but Grabimir is almost always the taller , bigger and usually has reach advantage and there lies the difference.

Posted May 29, 2014 8:59 am 


Haye. Brilliant boxer. Even better salesman….

Posted May 29, 2014 8:31 am 


To all the cretins making lousy claims that Grabimir is more skillful than Ali, I have a question for you, how many times compared to Grabimir had Ali outweighed his opponents by 20 pounds and held 6 inches height advantage over his opponents. You fools are comparing apples to oranges.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:58 am 

The oracle of Delphi

It’s on Floyd to make this fight happen. Arum and Pac will agree to agreeable terms but not diva terms “I want it all”. Screw you Floyd, I hope you will end up with what you deserve as a cherry picker for the ages. Mentioning your name with the ATG such as SRR, SRL, Duran and
Chavez Sr should be penalized. All these and many more ATG would have beaten and knocked you out in your so called prime…

Posted May 29, 2014 7:45 am 


TJ, would you get in the ring with Klitschko if you thought you might not get paid for it? When the fight eventually happened Haye turned up believing he could win unlike the recent list of Klitschko opponents – Povetkin exclude – who really are just there for the money with no interest or belief in winning.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:29 am 


David HAYE pulled out of his match with Wladimir KLITSCHKO just days before their proposed match back in the good old says of Setanta televised boxing, claiming a bad back.
The real reason was he was scared he wasn’t going to get paid by Setanta, who had fallen victim to the credit crunch. KLITSCHKO’s backers and German Tv money was secure, but Haye’s add-ons were reliant of the British TV revenues and the plug was about to be pulled on Setanta, so like his buddy, George Groves he mad up a lie to pull out of a fight, rather than be honest and admit it was a money issue.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:25 am 


If Stivern connects with his crushing right hook it’s nighty night for any fighter from any generation. but Wlad isnt going to give him that chance %100. Honestly I’m sure Stivern is trying to avoid Wlad right now and wants to milk his cheap green belt some more.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:21 am 



You spoke of KELLY PAVLIK….
In Ring Magazine they interviewed SERGIO MARAVILLA MARTINEZ and he said that the hardest he’s been hit was vs Kelly Pavlik. He said it was like electricity running through him being struck by THE GHOST!

Posted May 29, 2014 7:19 am 


actually its unfair to compare fat lightheavyweight ali to natural all muscle heavyweight like wlad. let’s compare marco huck to wlad. its the same sheit. times have changed guys. it’s like comparing Swarzenegger to modern Mr Olympia champs like Jay Cutler or Ronnie freakin Coleman. let’s be reasonable men.

Posted May 29, 2014 7:14 am 


can steverne beat WK i dont think so even with the injections hes getting from don king

Posted May 29, 2014 7:04 am 


hah i never buy that cheesy story about almighty prime tyson. he was feeding on part time boxers and addicts. the first one who wasn’t frightened by him beat him. tyson lost to every decent fighter he fought. Even young green wlad would have knocked tyson out cold with the first right or left hook connected. current wlad leaves almost no chance for any old time boxer as he is just perfect in everything he does in the ring. throws best punches in the business period. non brain damage taken.

Posted May 29, 2014 6:59 am 


Ali was behind on points numerous times because he had a lousy defense! WK has only been behind on points in one fight…against Sanders.

Posted May 29, 2014 6:49 am 


what are you talkin about man. how one fighter can be more gifted than another if he’s getting hit with everything that’s flying at him and the other one barely took 10 blows during a fight. human is not a crash dummy. if you are getting hit in the head a lot you’ll regret very soon.

Posted May 29, 2014 6:44 am 


Ali was much more skillful than Wlad could ever be????

Ali made a MILLION technical errors…he wasn’t a big puncher…he had no body attack…couldn’t fight inside and he had a HORRIBLE defense…Ali got hit a lot!!!

Posted May 29, 2014 6:43 am 


luvah I think you underestimate Tyson, Evander and Bowe. Tyson in particular at his peak was phenomenal but he burnt out quick, I think he would KO Haye in a 5 round war and would have KO’ed the Wlad who fought Sanders even quicker but the Wlad now would have massacred the past his peak Tyson. Fighters peak at different stages and Tyson was washed up by 25 whereas Wlad was still ‘green’ at this stage but whilst I do not spout the BS that Holyfield, Bowe and Tyson would have definitely destroyed the K-Bros all we can say is that the only time the 90’s greats met the K-Bros was a washed up Lennox vs Vitali and whilst some scream robbery the outcome was clear Lennox smashed Vitalis face to bits and was coming on. I would love to have seen Wlad fight these guys however as they are all very good HW’s and the fights would have been thrilling!

Posted May 29, 2014 6:37 am 


haye s a brilliant fighter but too inactive. hes simply wasting his best years. I believe haye beats the likes of tyson holyfield and lewis. too slick and fast for them as they didn’t have that great defence that haye has. hayes straight right goes thru their guard like a knife thru butter.

Posted May 29, 2014 6:29 am 


What I am trying to say is Ali for instance was much more skilful than Wlad could ever be but he was not a smart in the ring and Pride in particular got the better of him ‘skills’ is a term that is down to opinion are they learnt technical abilities such as those that Wlad has mastered or are they natural gifts such as the ones Ali had as there is not doubt Wlad is a technical master but this has come from studious dedication to his art not a natural gift, Wlad is skilled no doubt but I wouldn’t say he is gifted like Ali!

Posted May 29, 2014 6:28 am 


luvah, that is rubbish in the extreme what about how many shots a fighter lands? Also I hate this use of Skill in terms only of fighters who do not get hit. This is to do with there style often nothing to do with skills, Duran for instance was a supremely skilled brawler who could stand in the pocket and make you miss whilst punishing you with both hands but this stand and fight style obviously meant he would get hit. Now the reason Wlad doesn’t take many is because he has an awesome jab which he stays behind and when an opponent gets close he grabs, this is actually down to a lack of skill when it comes to infighting but as he is always in Germany he is allowed to get away with what is actually cheating (see the Povetkin fight). It also has to do with genetics, for instance how would a guy such as Holyfield have avoided taking shots against guys like Bowe and Lewis as he had to get inside which even the most elusive guys would find impossible against much bigger opposition without getting hit. The reason Wlad avoids getting hit is down to good skills but as much him avoiding trading which as he is so much bigger than most is possible, don’t get me wrong he is not only big but a very smart fighter, its this combination that allows him to not make the mistake of trading that caused him problems particularly against Sanders and Brewster.

Posted May 29, 2014 6:23 am 


Haye haters, apart from talking to much in the lead up to his fight with WK, you have to agree Haye is a great fighter.

Posted May 29, 2014 6:14 am 


you can see how many skills one boxer has simply by counting the amount of punches he takes during his fights. you say ali was brilliant. I say look at him now. his brain is pummeled. the is no skills in jumping around and taking those heavy blows. and ali hit like a girl. damn. he’s not even a heavyweight.

Posted May 29, 2014 6:07 am 


SLIM — Height is an advantage IF (!!!) you know how to use it effectively — and WK knows very well how to use his height and reach advantages.

He has a perfect combination of height, strength and SUPERIOR SKILLS!

Posted May 29, 2014 6:00 am 


slim dude you r trolling. let’s just say it as it is.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:50 am 


People always go on about how poor Haye was vs Wlad and he definitely was but I would argue that Wlad was as poor, he is supposedly this ATG 6′ 7″ wrecking ball but he was utterly cautious against Haye and clearly didn’t want to get involved in a fight with Haye and David trying to bring him onto a counter all fight was part of the reason for the snooze fest. I remember Wlad saying all this Pizza face rubbish but he hardly landed a meaningful punch all night. I would say that Wlad is possibly the most tactically aware HW of all time along with Holmes but in terms of skills he is nowhere near the past greats!

Posted May 29, 2014 5:49 am 


USADA allows 6 times the natural testosterone levels under the guise of therapy. Hormone replacement therapy is enjoyed by older atheletes around the ages of say, Mayweather and upto Bernard Hopkins age. I think that’s what Jean Pascal was concerned about when he asked Bernard to, “take zi test” …obviously he didn’t, he’s a huge star! Instead hopkins theatend to have him shot!

Boxing is being taken over by big business, it’s up to the fans to stop swollowing. This nonsense!

Posted May 29, 2014 5:49 am 


i like to remember when he is going to call out Pulev. Pulev is waiting. PUlev-Wlad 2014

Posted May 29, 2014 5:46 am 


It`s not like it is just heavyweight either. Look at USA olympic boxing medals from 1990 onwards – they suddenly drop like a stone because the rest of teh world got involved and got stronger. Other countries have good coaching, sparring, programs and so on. The US doesnt have that advantage, and now that there is more drug testing, the Americans, who comprise the vast majority of drug cheats are really finding their place in boxing, which is essentially bowing down to the superior European stock like Wlad, GG, Kovalev and soon Lomachenko.

American dreams are so tasty. Keep having those dreams Americans and Euro’s will keep chomping them down with a few perogis, and maybe some balsamic and olive oil.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:32 am 


Wlad would beat the living sheeeite out of Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe. Americans really have a false idea about how good those utter trash heavies were.

The HW division prior to the wall falling was the ABSOULTE WEAKEST it has ever been. You almost a whole continent absent, and what 4-5 cruiserweight sized african americans passing the title around.


Posted May 29, 2014 5:27 am 


There isn’t anybody left! They beat up everybody already…lol I just think it’s because they are so BIG. Just my opinion didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:26 am 


and who Wlad is supposed to fight? some names please. as for weather and paq I agree. weather is taking easy fights period. not that bad for paq but still lame. I’m tired of weather s fights he’s too boring for my taste.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:10 am 


@ECAT…6 7″ 280lbs beating up fighters half their size. Gimme a frickin break. I’ll give them the Lennox Lewis fight. But the Heavyweight division is watered down. If you think they would have beat up Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Mike Tyson in their primes. You know absolutely nothing about boxing. Have a nice day.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:07 am 

Turbo-Hamster laughing at the cane toads

People act like all Haye had was a mouth, but down at cruiser he obliterated a division in around 20 fights with only one victory being on points – and that is because he carried the guy.

His HW career might be sketchy, but in his last outing he did KO Chisora, and neither Vitali, Fury nor Helenius could do that.

Wlad was ultra cautious vs Haye for 12 whole rounds.

People wang off about Holyfield, but honestly, there is not one person he beat I don`t think Haye would have too, and I include Tyson and Bowe in that. Though that is ignoring the fact that Holyfield was a committed drug cheat throughout his entire heavyweight career in any case.

Imagine if Holyfield had to go through Wlad to make a name at Heavy – he would never have got near a belt if he had to take it off a Klitschko.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:05 am 

Bo Bo Olson

Clay/Ali was a huge heavy at 6’3″ so was Foreman a huge 6’3″ 222 pound monster….against shorter folks….(out side Terrill for Ali. and back then a huge heavy weighted 212 when thinking about Foreman. Oh, ten pounds did make a very big difference….but back in the day.) Haye ran very well indeed. Haye vs Patterson would have been good…Patterson to win. Patterson never learned to run…that was his problem.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:04 am 


pac calling floyd and tease him but floyd response alibi. he said pac is using ped, now the reason is the promoter.
then how this fight will happen if one of them is running and throwing alibi

Posted May 29, 2014 5:03 am 


SLIM… “The Klits aren’t any good. They’re just WAY bigger than everybody else. Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Tyson in his prime would’ve knocked the f#ckin bums OUT! Have a nice day..”

Only someone completely unknowledgeable about the sport would say something like that. In three sentences you proved that you know nothing about boxing.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:01 am 


I used to be a fan of the k bros. not anymore! They are as bad as Floyd and PAC these days, it’s all about the money. Wlad isn’t fighting the best and neither are Floyd and PAC. Marketing and promotional companies have ruined the sport! I look for real fights where the money and greed haven’t taken control.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:56 am 


being a fan of pavlik speaks for itself

Posted May 29, 2014 4:54 am 


ahah and you call Wlad ain’t any good shows your wearing rose tinted glasses ala elton john

Posted May 29, 2014 4:51 am 



I fancy you cutey, remember the night we had?

Posted May 29, 2014 4:42 am 


Piss poor article…. full of assertions based on heresay and hating… Writer has a bias vie of his hero nut!!

Posted May 29, 2014 4:41 am 


280lbs :) I thought wlad was 7ft and 350lbs like tyson fury yesterday

Posted May 29, 2014 4:40 am 


@luvah…race doesn’t have anything to do with. The Klits are 6 7″ 280lbs?? Everybody can have opinion, just say you don’t believe Ali, or Holmes could beat them. I happen to think they are so dominant because they are HUGE!!!! Have a nice day.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:32 am 


how can one nut hug maybeweather and trashtalk wlad. weather cannot knockout even a fat 300 lbs sissy subway fan. boring.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:27 am 

floyd mayweather sr

By posting. This about him i hope he gives me more money fo crack

Posted May 29, 2014 4:08 am 


Slim I thought I didn’t like you but now you told me your two fav fighters I might have just changed my mind a touch

Posted May 29, 2014 4:07 am 

floyd mayweather sr

My son floyd is the best fighter in the world.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:06 am 


@Auzbox…Maybe so, but you have to remember something. Floyd is business man, he’s in it for $Money that’s all. He doesn’t care about trying to fight the best. That’s why i am not a fan. Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard are my favorite welterweights. Have a nice day.

Posted May 29, 2014 4:02 am 


authur talks of Haye “who was packing a glass toe” that made me laugh lol.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:50 am 

this is manny

Yes i remember

Posted May 29, 2014 3:42 am 


Yeh slim good 1. Floyd mayweather last 10 opponents 30 losses total. Wlads 10 opponents 15 losses. I know who picks the easiest routes haha fairy floss floyd

Posted May 29, 2014 3:36 am 


Lewis caused the cut by a blatant foul. It is on the Internet; just go to Youtube and watch how Lewis had to cheat to cause the cut. Lewis should have been disqualified and declared the loser for what he did, but instead the referee acted blind to the fact. Any Lewis apologist who states otherwise is just part of the coverup, but that won’t work in the age of the Internet.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:29 am 


The Klits aren’t any good. They’re just WAY bigger than everybody else. Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Tyson in his prime would’ve knocked the f#ckin bums OUT! Have a nice day.

Posted May 29, 2014 3:20 am 


You can’t speculate Lewis was going to stop vitali peej he was losing both klits are better than Lewis. This wlad beats any Lewis

Posted May 29, 2014 3:15 am 


Zuks you must love the PAC all over him everywhere, I think you fancy him a little bit. Actually a lot

Posted May 29, 2014 3:09 am 


Haye was just a titlest. Wlad is the champ. No ifs ands or buts about it

Posted May 29, 2014 2:55 am 

James Blond

Haye is more clown than boxer. His heavyweight career was basically terminated in Hamburg on that rainy night when he was exposed in the ring as not up to par.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:41 am 


‘for his silly alphabet title trinket that few true fight fans even recognized’
Haye was recognised as the WBA World champion, it was not an interim title or a regular title.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:35 am 


Unfortunately they put tape on the laces. He was punched and the bad thing was it was Vitalis cut man who made the cut much worse than it was when he went to the corner. Legal punch equals legit win

Posted May 29, 2014 2:27 am 


Same old argument Jeep (Peej spelled backwards), Vitali was laced by Lewis, LACED, Laced Laced Laced…. Son of a quatro lingus.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:26 am 


Lewis was on his way to a KO win against Vitali. Lewis lost the last 3 rounds and won the last 3 rounds including rocking Vitali. Not to mention the stoppage was legit and the cut was caused by a punch.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:07 am 


Vitali was better than Lewis and if there was no cut Lewis would of lost. It’s well known Lewis mother didn’t want he son to rematch the big Ukrainian and for good reason

Posted May 29, 2014 1:54 am 


Yeah this dude has no clue what he is talking about. Haye called out Wlad first and talked his way into a fight.

Posted May 29, 2014 1:38 am 


Are these writers getting instructions from their bosses to always write about the same nonsense?

Posted May 29, 2014 1:34 am 


Alexander Caldwell ought to be ashamed of himself writing a useless article.

Posted May 29, 2014 1:34 am 


Hate called out Klitchko first and many people thought Haye would win! However after Haye sucked and the win meant nothing. Haye is a very good heavyweight it is to bad he doesn’t fight more

Posted May 29, 2014 1:27 am 


Awe don’t give me the klitschko calling out a smaller fighter he out weighs by 30lbs stuff. Klitschko were around in part of the hay day of the heavy weighs and both stay clearly out of the way of Lewis in is prime Holyfield passed his prime, Foreman way passed his prime. They were smart to wait, Wlad got exposed by Sanders, and Vitali was beaten by a pass his prime Lewis. The Klitschko are the greatest heavy weights of this era but this era is still weak at best. Sounds like the story of Larry holmes all over again.

Posted May 29, 2014 1:15 am 

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