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I would have rather seen old Thomspon fight Vitali than Stieverne. Stieverne at 6’2 with average head movement, slow feet and average fitness is tailor made for Vitali. Thompson at 6’5 with a good long jab, good power and a ton of experience who can play chess and bang would give Vitali a fight. Shame we did not see Vitali against taller opponents. I can only go on the lewis fight and the Timo hoffman fight. Both were wars and awesome to watch.

Posted August 16, 2013 12:49 am 


Vitali would beat Stiverne easily anyway, Bermaine is tailor made for his beating.

Posted August 15, 2013 6:28 pm 


“At 15, he was 5’2, at 20 he was 6’7 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Where do you get your information? Got a link to it? I’d love to read it.

Posted August 15, 2013 5:22 pm 

Supreme Court

Am I no longer SRedmond?
You got tired already?
You ain’t seen nothing yet , boy!

You guys target other group of fighters, now the Highest Court has revealed that Vitali Klitorisko is a CONVICTED PED user!!!!!
At 15, he was 5’2, at 20 he was 6’7 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He must have his own lab of human growth hormone!

Don’t be surprise if he dies suddenly….. His heart has trouble funnelling the blood to this artificial robotic lab-made body!

(Je te pourchasserai avec la tenacite d’une puce de pubis)

Posted August 15, 2013 3:10 pm 

Supreme Court

Who cares about the opinion of thugs?
They hate the Justice System anyhow…

( je vole comme un papillon et je pique comme une abeille)

Posted August 15, 2013 3:04 pm 

ray gordon reid

vitali ko or UD

Posted August 15, 2013 2:57 pm 

rectal ranger

klit is gonna beat stivernes load mouth ass

Posted August 15, 2013 2:33 pm 


Every time a K-bro wins he must be close to a heart attack haha poor, poor guy, but keep ya head up buddy, the K-bros won’t rule forever, so your nightmare of a life will probably end in the next few years. But who knows, maybe another white super alpha comes along and the nightmare starts all over again lol

Posted August 15, 2013 2:10 pm 


Man this poor dude Supreme Court must have really hard times sleeping at night haha

Posted August 15, 2013 2:07 pm 

ray gordon reid

jose suliaman gotta go

Posted August 15, 2013 1:24 pm 

Elanore the Withered Hag

Stiverne is an a-hole

Posted August 15, 2013 1:11 pm 



Posted August 15, 2013 12:37 pm 


Supreme Court…….you are sick just like a virus. And like a HIV Virus you should be eliminated with anti viral chemicals and vaccine. To say you are similar to such evil is a toast to who you really are. The Devil. Go back to Hell.

Posted August 15, 2013 12:27 pm 


Where does it say in Wikipedia that Vitali is 15 in the photo? He could be 12 for all we know.

Posted August 15, 2013 11:55 am 


Wlad has been the real champ for some time now. Vitali has been fighting soft opposition for several years usually in the form of blown up cruisers or short fat guys “well at least several inches shorter than himself” who have zero chance hitting him. I could not see Vitali ever getting in the ring with a 6’9 fury, a old but still dangerous Thompson or a hard hitting fast haye or a hard nut like pulev. He will still beat Stiverne who just does not have the speed, head movement, height or fitness to take out Vitali but the once great vitali is now faded, injury prone and is not fighting challenging top level contenders and not regularly enough. Time to pass it on to younger brother.

Posted August 15, 2013 11:48 am 


Roy Jones
James Toney
Shane Mosley
Evander Holyfiield
Antonio Tarver
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Andre Berto
Lamont Peterson
Virgil Hill
Shannon Briggs
Joan Guzman
Guillermo Jones
Ali Funeka
J’Leon Love
Mickey Bey
Richard Hall
Jameel McCline

And Floyd Mayweather is obviously dirty too (had three failed tests covered up, pretended he doesn’t know what TRT is).

Andre Ward is also definitely 100% dirty as well (only a complete fool would try doubt it) as are the rest of Victor Conte’s clients.

Posted August 15, 2013 11:34 am 


how tall are you???

Posted August 15, 2013 11:16 am 

Supreme Court

Look at the picture of the Klitshko family on Wikepedia:
Vitali and Wladimir are two skinny teens;
Vitali at 15 barely reached the breast height of his 5’4 mother;
5 years later, he was a 6’7 giant!
Look at Wladimir, on the picture he is all bones as though found on a Somali desert….
What happened within 5 years is a scientific mystery….
All we know as FACT is that a few years later, Vitali Klitorisko was caught with significant residues of Human Growth Hormone in his system…

Time is my girl friend and,
opportunity is by buddy.
I can lay dormant like a HIV virus,
Then strike like a lightning…
And when I do, it spells morgue…

( Embusque dans les tenebres, la Court Supreme guette sa proie, attendant le moment ideal…)

Posted August 15, 2013 11:06 am 

de Lima I.

§ — for god’s sake! I really hope this is a bad joke?

Мikе ,,iron,, Туson is bеst еvеr:) In his primе hе еаsу bеаt
Vitаli in 3-4 round’s k0/Tk0
Мikе Туson thе bеst еvеr……….. pеriod

MT is an ATG, but he could never have beaten Vitali, Holyfield, Lewis!

Posted August 15, 2013 10:14 am 


charr retired vitali

Posted August 15, 2013 10:13 am 

de Lima I.

§ — for god’s sake!

I like Tyson, but I really hope this is a bad joke?

Мikе ,,iron,, Туson is bеst еvеr:) In his primе hе еаsу bеаt
Vitаli in 3-4 round’s k0/Tk0
Мikе Туson thе bеst еvеr……….. pеriod

MT is an ATG no doubt about it, but he could never have beaten Vitali, Holyfield, Lewis!

Posted August 15, 2013 10:11 am 


At least Vitali is a member of Parliament, to me that’s better. It’s like being a member of congress as opposed to being mayor of New York. That would be preferable to me anyway.

Posted August 15, 2013 9:38 am 

K2 Fan

Sredmond / Supreme Courtjester ; I guess it is true ; necessity IS the mother of invention . The poor , sad , unemployed , welfare recipient :
Sredmond , is so consumed by his pathological hatred of the K-Brothers , that he now must invent all this bizzare nonsense about steroids , ” devil empire ” ,
genealogical background of their parents and their grandparents et., etc., !
I guess when you , along with a couple other nitwits , are hell bent on
” exposing ” the ” corrupt ” Klitchko Brothers , you must INVENT things ,
since during their long carreers , no LEGITIMATE accusations , by much
smarter and resourceful sources , than this sorry bunch , ever materialized ! It must be very frustrating to be so obsessed by hatred and envy ! Poor , sad , sorry Sredmond et al . In spite of it all : The Klitchkos ARE Kings !

Posted August 15, 2013 9:38 am 


I admire Vitali but he should retire

Posted August 15, 2013 9:25 am 

Ukrainian guy

blah blah blah….

Posted August 15, 2013 9:23 am 

Supreme Court

And speaking of the presidential election in Ukraine,
No way Vitali Klitorisko get elected president of Ukraine!
Nada! Nei! No! Nein! Non! Niet!
He couldnt get elected in KIEV twice! How could he in Ukraine?
Here is a man who supposedly has: education, money, fame (all the vital ingredient to win an election), yet cannot get elected mayor of Kiev!
Do you know why?

Ukrainians know he is an “empty suit” fabricated during the cold war by the devil empire.
Ukrainian know that inside that gargantuesque body, there is a pea-size brain.
When was the last time you saw some one :
1- Educated: PhD
2- Famous: woorld champion
3- Filthy rich
who ends up losing mayoral elections for a city twice!

Does Vitali’s ambitions remind you those from another PED user?
Manny Chemical Pacquiao: he wants to be president as well….

( Vitali et Manny, deux escrocs notoires de la boxe mondiale , ont des ambitions pour la grande magistrature de leurs pays respectifs)

Posted August 15, 2013 8:41 am 

Supreme Court

Where have you lost your intellectual integrity?
You spent months here on ESB, along with the former inmate Squared Circle., arguing that Vitali Klitorisko has never done PED….
I have presented the proof that he DID/DOES PED.
He admitted!
He confessed!
Source his own autobiography.
He was found guilty by the Ukrainian government and expelled from the Ukrainian team.
He was found guilty by the International olympic Committee , and banned from the olympic.
Afterwards, he chose professional boxing where Random Blood Testing is not mandatory.
Since then, The robotic Bio-Terminator Vitali Klitorisko has evaded all RBTs.
TARK, Can you man up and admit you were wrong? Your credibility is on line here…

These are FACTS!

( je te l’avais promis, petit imbecile, je m’amuse a dechiqueter ton coeur….)

Posted August 15, 2013 8:30 am 


nameless…what the h3ll does SREDMOND know about reality???

Posted August 15, 2013 6:45 am 


I reckon this is all to do with Vitali getting momentum for his bid to be president of the Ukraine. He wants a final bout to finish on high with to kick-start his political ambition.

He may or may not be injured but I think the elections are in 2015 so if he has a final fare well bout he can start a years campaigning as the retired heavyweight champion of the world, I bet this fight takes place in the Ukraine too.

Clearly the WBC have got something invested there, some backhander is happening for sure no doubt. Sport and politics are equally corrupt boxing is probably one of the more corrupt sports.

That said I think as a candidate Vitali would be better for the Ukraine than the current president

Posted August 15, 2013 6:13 am 


The WBC Committee should grow a pair of balls and unanimously sack Mr. Jose The Terrorist Sulaimen, absolute disgrace to boxing.

Posted August 15, 2013 6:13 am 


he is also not undefeated. Is any of your post correct in reality? Has S Redmond retired from reality checking you guys?

Posted August 15, 2013 4:19 am 


He has repeatedly touched the canvas whislt fighting bums. Corrie dropped him and he dropped himself against adamek

Posted August 15, 2013 4:18 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

So what is Vitali lost a kick-boxing match! That has nothing to do with the science.

His chosen career sport is boxing and he has NEVER once touched the canvas. The two losses on his record were due to a serious shoulder injury and illegal blows that caused a cut. So as far as MILLIONS of fans are concerned, VK is still undefeated. And he’s only lost a small handful of rounds throughout his entire career. Now how many ATG HWs can say these things???

Those same things can’t be said about Ali, Louis, Holmes, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson and Lewis, etc.

Posted August 15, 2013 4:11 am 


Vitali was knocked out. Everyone has seen the video – he looks like khan

Posted August 15, 2013 3:51 am 


Мikе ,,iron,, Туson is bеst еvеr:) In his primе hе еаsу bеаt
Vitаli in 3-4 round’s k0/Tk0

Мikе Туson thе bеst еvеr……….. pеriod

Posted August 15, 2013 2:45 am 

Rod Kenny

Barley was a beast of a man. He would’ve beat em all if he kept his head on and trained right. He smashed Hearns, Van Horn and Olajide, got robbed against Nunn and Duran, cheated by Benn. He would’ve poleaxed that fat toad Toney too had he been in shape. He should’ve beat the brakes off him at a canter but he couldn’t even be bothered to train a lick for him. They would’ve had to carry Leonard out on a stretcher if he would’ve went anywhere near a prime Barkley. No problem. Two, three rounds tops.

Posted August 15, 2013 2:40 am 


Еuropеаn chаmpionship Vаrnа’92~Вulgаriа! Solis school Vitаli in onlу 1round bеforе knock out! Мауbе Solis win but who know?

Posted August 15, 2013 2:36 am 


……. “Pele Reid spin kick against V. Klitschko in world championship, Full fight.”

It wasn’t a full contact fight and Vitali wasn’t knocked out.. It was the only one of 36 pro kickboxing matches Vitali lost.. So big deal..

Vitali’s forte is Boxing, not kickboxing.. He kept messing his legs up as a kickboxer and turned to Boxing … Reid became a boxer too.. But never qualified to box anyone good.. He was a washout.

Posted August 15, 2013 2:07 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Lol Brother Ernie. I bet he’s the kind of sicko who eats vulture burgers. lol

Posted August 15, 2013 2:05 am 


Hamster…, I never said Tommy Hearns was laid out by a 12-year-old… That’s another thing you made up … Tommy was laid out by Iran Barkley when he was 29…

Barkley was an inept swinger who Sumbu Kalambay.. Michael Nunn.. Nigel Benn.. and James Toney.. and many others kicked ass on … Too bad they didn’t get the opportunity to smash Hearns like that.

Vitali has never been knocked down — and he’s never been behind on points.

Posted August 15, 2013 1:58 am 


Тhis is kick boxing~ lаit kontаkt аnd this punch is from kick, уou know

Posted August 15, 2013 1:01 am 

Supreme Court

Here is the video, on youtube, of Vitali Klitorisko being knocked out in kickboxing by a smaller fighter.

type on youtube search field: “Pele Reid spin kick against V. Klitschko in world championship, Full fight. ”
It was in 1992.

Posted August 15, 2013 12:47 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

I miss Proud African too, although he never thanked me for the Yak sandwich I sent him…

Posted August 15, 2013 12:19 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

My sentence structure is very poor too. This really irks me.

Posted August 14, 2013 11:46 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

I miss insulting Proud African too. One derives immense pleasure from ridiculing him about his chicken or telling him things like I hope a baboon bites his sister’s tit when they’re down filling their bucket at the watering hole.

Posted August 14, 2013 11:44 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Truth be told I’m getting a bit bloody tired of being the best poster on this site. Sometimes I feel like it loses it’s luster a little and at times I find myself struggling to find the motivation to give my fanbase what they want and have come to expect from me. I never have a have a problem producing verbal gold dust 24/7 because that is something which comes naturally to me. However, I must confess that knowing that you’re the best in the business and are idolized by legion upon legion of adoring fans can become a little tedious on occasion. I suppose I could venture elsewhere to other forums, which I do actually do (I spend quite a lot of time on the Golden Retriever forums), but then I’d find myself in the exact same boat as I am on here and all the other forums I’ve frequented – I’d be the best on them too.

Posted August 14, 2013 11:40 pm 


Hmm it links to a daily telegraph article, I`d like to know what he actually directly says in the autobiography.

Or what he whispered directly to TARK about it when they were just hanging out being great chums at TARKs gym, probably during a session when TARK watched Tommy Hearns being laid out cold by a 12 year old with a good straight right.

Posted August 14, 2013 10:38 pm 

Supreme Court

I tried to post the link, esb won’t let me do it…
But go on Wikipedia/ Vitali K.
They talk about it, then under the references section, there is a link…..

Tark is intellectually dishonest; just like Squared Circle (which is understandable, he once was an inmate…)….

Vitali and Wladimir will never take a Random Blood test…
If they did, you would see them gas out within 1-3 rds..
And we know they are not one-punch KO artist….
If they gas out, they lose….

( La verite fini toujours par triompher)

Posted August 14, 2013 9:54 pm 

Supreme Court

Turbo Hamster:
Tark is a jerk:
Vitali himself has admitted in his autobiography!

Posted August 14, 2013 9:48 pm 

Billy Bob

Vitali was winning that 6th rd against LL. If the fight had continued he could have won it, but LL was in it too. Those left hooks were brutal. Too bad they never rematched. Stiverne dont want none of that.

Posted August 14, 2013 9:29 pm 


“Which of the laws of Mendel can explain that two generations later, the offsprings are 6’7 and weigh 250 lbs?”

We need more peas. :)

Posted August 14, 2013 9:00 pm 


The K-bros don’t have huge muscles, truth is they are build like greek gods, especially Wlad. Do you really think the ancient greeks had access to roids? LOL

Posted August 14, 2013 8:43 pm 


TARK – what is your source for saying Vitali was given a cream to rub in? I`ve looked around before and the information on the net is vague and contradictory. It isn`t even clear if he was found positive for corticosteroids or anabolic.

The cream would seem very unlikely since the purpose of a topical corticosteroid cream is for the treatment of skin disorders, rashes and the like. Topically applied cream simply would never penetrate to the area of injury.

A far more likely explanation would be that he had a corticosteroid injection, which is something needle happy doctors give quite regularly to reduce inflammation in soft tissue injuries.

Posted August 14, 2013 8:20 pm 


Ah and Supreme Court must be mixing up Navratilova with the Williams sisters. These girls have the biggest muscles in female and maybe even male tennis history!!!

Posted August 14, 2013 7:39 pm 


And when you google him you will also see him in the ICU after Vitali pummeled this overroided freak. You can roid as much you want, but against the superbly skilled K-bros it won’t rescue you from an ICU beating!

Posted August 14, 2013 7:36 pm 


Just google Briggs, there is one nice pic where he’s next to Vitali and the dude is so much bigger that it ain’t even funny. When you google Briggs you will also see a lot of pics where the dude clearly suffers from roid rage. And those gigantic veins WOW

Posted August 14, 2013 7:31 pm 


If ya lookin for a overroided freak Briggs is the MAN!!!

Posted August 14, 2013 7:27 pm 


– Martina Navratilova, who dominated female tennis for years was as muscular as Mike Tyson.- hahaha. You have to be kidding me

Posted August 14, 2013 7:22 pm 


Supreme Court is talkin crap, he should better go after Briggs. I mean just look at this monster, his arms are bigger than Wlads legs for gods sake!!!

Posted August 14, 2013 7:17 pm 

Supreme Court

Why can’t you post the link here, moron?
You don’t have internet connection?

Posted August 14, 2013 7:15 pm 


Well Vitali is an ATG so what do you expect? Wasn’t different with Lewis and this WITHOUT an injury!

Posted August 14, 2013 7:14 pm 

Supreme Court

You can yap, moo, all you want, you’ll never rebut the facts I listed….
You can whine, howl… You can even attempt to impersonate the Highest Court, you’ll never approach my analytical capability…
Need I say you’ll never summarize decently the concept of your post in French?

( Chose promise, chose due….Doucement mais surement, j’enfoncerai mon dard dans ton coeur diabolique…)

Posted August 14, 2013 7:13 pm 


Random testing was demanded by AP before the fight a few years ago. Wladimir readily agreed to the OST random blood testing and AP ran like hell. Teddy Atlas has mentioned many times on FNF that Wladimir was willing to test. So before a huge spill of CRAP get your facts straight. I own the Klitschkos movie and their father only looked a few inches shorter standing in between them. Please provide your source of his miniscule height.

Posted August 14, 2013 7:12 pm 


How will the division be better when they are gone. Oh fights between scrubs become more competitive for random belts.

Posted August 14, 2013 7:12 pm 

Supreme Court

Vitali and Wladimir Klitorisko are two products from the former Soviet Empire during the cold war.
During the cold war, the “devil empire” formally known as Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик, Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik, or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, used sport, and the olympics in particular, for communist propaganda.

Behind the “Iron Curtain”, kids were taken from their parents and subjected to one of the most diabolical training regime ever conceived by mankind.
Besides the fiendish training program, young athletes were used as guineapigs to test anabolic steroids, growth hormones.
– Martina Navratilova, who dominated female tennis for years was as muscular as Mike Tyson.
Here are the phenotypic traits of Wladimir and Vitali genitors:

Dad: 5’9
Mom: 5’4
Paternal grand Dad: 5’7
Maternal Grand dad: 5’5
Paternal Grand Mom: 5’5
Maternal Grand Mom: 5’4

Which of the laws of Mendel can explain that two generations later, the offsprings are 6’7 and weigh 250 lbs?
Nope! The parents came from the same narrow-base genetic pool….
Which of the biological laws would explain that these two lab-fabrications would gain muscle mass as they aged?

Ever since Vitali Klitorisko was busted in 1996, expelled by his own country, the two brothers have systematically turned down random blood testings!
Need I say, it is Random Blood testing that caught the “Bio-Terminator” known as Vitali Klitorisko?
How coincidental is that the two soviet guinea pigs would end up graduating in “Physical education” , with a Soviet-style PhD?

The Klitorisko read ESB, we know that…
Can they agree for Random blood testing?

( Les Deux freres Clitoris(ko) sont deux purs produits de l’empire du Diable durant la guerre froide)

Posted August 14, 2013 7:04 pm 


Lol I love how these haters would ridicule vitali if this fight would have actually gone through for fighting weak opposition they look for any excuse to bring the champ down

Posted August 14, 2013 6:10 pm 


Lol I think vitali is doing stiverne a favor now he can go and train and fight more guys get prepared more he needs to quit whining he will get knocked out either way

Posted August 14, 2013 6:08 pm 


Lol terry I bet my money your a chump … What have you achieved in life that gives you the right to belittle a champion? Hmmm did you eat a full bag of Doritos in one sitting once?

Posted August 14, 2013 6:06 pm 


Maybe Vitali will fight the winner of Haye vs Fury then retire? WBC belt is a joke these days I remember not long a go maskaev and Austin were Vitali’s mandatory and never got a shot because Vitali simply didn’t want to fight them – Things will be better in the heavyweight division once the Klitschko’s have gone – worst era of heavyweight title fights during their reign – most boring period in history for heavyweight boxing – they have damaged the sport over the last decade – both are chumps too

Posted August 14, 2013 5:30 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

No, Roy got busted with Androstenedione in his system after a major title fight. “Ephedrine” is what truck drivers take to stay awake all night during 10-12 hour long hauls.

In 1997, the International Olympic Committee banned Androstenedione and placed it under the category of “Androgenic-Anabolic Steroids.”

Androstenedione is also banned by the NFL, MLB, USOC, NBA, and the NCA. And for good reason.

Posted August 14, 2013 5:04 pm 

ray gordon reid


Posted August 14, 2013 4:31 pm 

ray gordon reid


Posted August 14, 2013 4:23 pm 


Vlads done a lot of sheep studying, in my country he be sheep shagger.

Posted August 14, 2013 3:31 pm 


Oh Ernie you got this from Hidalgo, he posted the answer already.

Posted August 14, 2013 3:25 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Vlad, is the answer 7?

Posted August 14, 2013 3:13 pm 


Supreme moron answer this:
1. The quantum yield for inactivation of the TI bacteriophage at 260 nm is F= 3x 10^(-4). If the molecular mass of this species is M = 10^(7)g, please estimate the target cross section of the phage at which absorption of the quantum has a lethal effect.

2. Scrapie is a neurological disease of sheep that appears to be caused by an infectious agent smaller than a typical virus.By irradication with nearly monochromatic ultra-violet light,the action spectrum for inactivation of the scrapie agent was measured. The peak in this action spectrum does not coincide with that for inactivation of typical RNA or DNA viruses. Please discuss the interpretation of this action spectrum and its significance for the understanding of the nature of the scrapie agent.

For horse hemoglobin in water solution at 20 degrees centigrade, D= 6.3 x 10^(-7) cm^(2) . s^(-1), s= 4.41 X 10^(-13)s , v= 0.749 cm^(3) . g^(-1) ,
? = 0.9982^(-3) . Please calculate the molecular weight.

Posted August 14, 2013 2:35 pm 

ray gordon reid


Posted August 14, 2013 2:21 pm 


In 2004 Vitaly could postpone his fight with Rahman if he presented medical documentation from accredited by association doctor. Vitaly decided to quit instead. According to some sources he was knocked down a few days before the fight by sparing partner Travis Walker and damaged the leg.

Posted August 14, 2013 2:02 pm 


Vitali needs to ask himself he still wants all this, if not retire. WBC should take some action for the inactivity of its champion

Posted August 14, 2013 1:51 pm 

ray gordon reid

hush laddie

Posted August 14, 2013 1:01 pm 


So basically his excuse for not fighting is because he is trying to force the WBC to enforece there mandatory rule while the real champ in Wlad is fighting other fighters defending his belt. So while he waits he is not making any money. I don’t think Vitali is broke so he doesn’t care if he fights. Your goal should be moving up the Ring Ratings and forget about the titles.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:50 pm 

Supreme Court

The problem with that reasoning is that he can get squashed while fighting contenders and provide a legitimate excuse to the champion when he falls down the rank…

They should sue the WBC!

(L’ombre suit le corps, car elle n’est que ombre…)

Posted August 14, 2013 12:28 pm 


Hosteen agreed !

Posted August 14, 2013 12:11 pm 


A TRUE contender will keep busy fighting other contenders until he lands a title shot!!!

Posted August 14, 2013 12:04 pm 


Striverne should not let this hold him back. He needs to keep fighting and try to become mandatory for another title. Heck the champ is Wlad and that is the guy you need to beat to become champ. Having a title doesn’t mean much. Getting the championship is what you want to try to do.

Posted August 14, 2013 11:57 am 

Mr Gav

This is BS. Stiverne has worked hard and earned the right to be number one contender. Vitali has been out the ring on his own accord without intention to defend his title then gets injured. Any other champ would have been stripped of his title. This is not good for his legacy. Stivetene may never be an all time great but he is the number one challenger for the title guys like charr and chisora did nothing to earn there shot,this is why people say the Klitschko’s are frauds for picking easy fights against poor competion. I believe vital I would beat stiverne but that’s not the point the point is if your not going too or cannot defend your tittle then you should not be a world champion and let other fighters get their chance no matter who you are.

Posted August 14, 2013 11:51 am 


Supreme Clown don’t you have something else to do? Sad, sad…

Posted August 14, 2013 11:50 am 


Vitali should give the belt up!!!!

Posted August 14, 2013 11:44 am 

Supreme Court

You see, my friend….
That’s what Old Yank meant when he said you have a fine head to which no mouth is attached…
Instead of using the head’s orifice named mouth to speak, you sometimes use your anal orifice to excrete non-sense…
And since your heart flaps like Armstrong’s flag in the moon, you go in hiding like the Talibans in Toro Bora caves, when caught spilling diarrhea through…

( Tark a une bouche qui vomi des insanites de temps en temps…)

Posted August 14, 2013 11:41 am 

stuck in a moment

It’s a joke what he’s doing with that title. But boxing is a joke. In wwe you have to defend the title every 30 days. Lol I love wwe

Posted August 14, 2013 11:16 am 


It’s clear that injury or no injury Vitali is more interested in his political career, fighting only once a year as a champion IS bad for boxing… can’t have a part-time champion.
Stiverne is absolutely right to be furious, he earnt the mandatory months ago, and a fight date should have been made long ago by Vitali.
If Vitali has any honor then he should put his gloves up and announce his retirement that most have seen coming for some time.
I think Stiverne should be installed as interim champion and then the next mandatory challenger fights Stiverne.

Posted August 14, 2013 11:16 am 


In vitali’s entire career he only fought 1 guy the same height as himself.

Posted August 14, 2013 11:13 am 


LMAO!!!! Too funny how SUPREME COURT is desperately waiting
for TARK to show up!!!

Posted August 14, 2013 10:12 am 


The WBC will let Vitali hold the belt as long as he wants because when he does fight he will generate more money than Stiverne and can collect more sanctioning fees. They have never followed there own rules unless it led to more money for them.

Posted August 14, 2013 9:38 am 


Yeah Ward was stripped of his WBC title but retains the WBA title, wonder how long that’ll last?

Posted August 14, 2013 9:33 am 


Totally agree with team Stiverne. Vitali is not even a boxer anymore and he is 42 years old !

Posted August 14, 2013 9:09 am 

Supreme Court

Where are you hiding at, boy?
Where is your theory about the link between PEDs and injuries?
Your theory is only applicable to a certain group of fighters?
Vitali Klitsko is a convicted, formerly banned PED user!
He was convicted in 1996, expelled from the Ukrainian Olympic team and banned from participating at the 1996 Olympics.
Vitali was caught by the Olympic style random blood testing.
Since then the Klitorisko brothers have avoided random blood testing like a plague!

In other words, Vitali Klitorisko is a ConBoxer!

(Les freres Klitshko, deux robots fabriques par l’empire sovietique pendant la guerre froide)

Posted August 14, 2013 9:08 am 


Yes, it is time Stiverne gets his shot. By the WBC’s own rules and eliminators, he has earned it. V. Klitschko should retire on top. He has had a great run, but, clearly is not the fighter he once was and the nagging injuries that he suffers will just get worse. Already his power and defences have suffered. If politics are his new passion, then it is time to move on. One cannot dabble in boxing.
Meanwhile, what is David Price doing? At his age, he needs to get back at it and be active. Even if he knocks over a few easy marks, he can, at least, work on some things and make some money. Gathering rust won’t help anything.

Posted August 14, 2013 8:48 am 

Swedish Boxing Fan

I agree here. I have also have my doubts on WBC. I mean its true that they have stripped off Timothy Bradly and Andre Ward there WBC world titles but Vitalki Klitschko, when he is hurt or injured gets all the time in the world when it happens and this is the 2nd time in that mans career WBC grants him so much time. Back in 2004-2005 they did “the favour” again for him when Hasim “The Rock” Rahman was the mandatory challanger to the title after knocked out Kali Meehan in there 2004 world heavyweight title eleminator bout. What happend then? Rahman had to put out with 3 postponed fight dates until he became Interim WBC world title holder in 2005, WBC did something (!) and then instead of stripping Vitali off his title due to fail of representating the title belt in the ring, they made Vitali “WBC Emeritus Champion” (?) and I can’t say to this day what the heck that is and few fighters have got that status anyway so whats up with that? I say Vitali is 42, his boy is in great shape for an 40+ athlete BUT this is not the first time he is ijured and a fight have to be postponed and he is involved in the politics now so he can’t be dedicated full hearted to represent both is duties as champion and title defender at same time he haves to deal with politic issues in homeland of Ukraine so I say retire, let your brother Wladimir Klitschko represent the family name and world titles in the ring and make an politic career. End of story and boxing needs more world title fights on the role and Vitali is no Bernard Hopkins, George Foreman or Oscar De La Hoya character so let it be.

Posted August 14, 2013 8:30 am 


Vitali is no longer the champ. He does not want to fight in the ring anymore. Give it up.

Posted August 14, 2013 7:29 am 


Younger* then vitaly today

Posted August 14, 2013 5:38 am 


Xavier – Lewis was 36 when he retired 6 years you get then vitally is today !

Posted August 14, 2013 5:37 am 


Vitali has no business in the ring anymore. He’s a politician and will even be running for president. I think he’d still beat Stiverne but his mind is elsewhere at the moment. I hope he does the honourable thing and vacates his title.

Posted August 14, 2013 5:36 am 


Re. Lennox Lewis v Vitali Klitschko. Lewis won fair and square because he cut Vitali very badly. Cuts end fights all the time. Having said that, Lewis was coming to the end of his days at 37/38 and knew Vitali would be a big threat in any rematch. It was Vitali’s time. The Klitschkos have been good champs as far as I’m concerned.

Posted August 14, 2013 5:31 am 


I like Vitali, but he should either be stripped or Stiverne should have a chance to fight for the Interim title in the meantime. Then in due course, if Vitali is not ready by, say, next spring, the winner of the interim bout be awarded the WBC belt proper. Not a big fan of interim titles usually, but in this case, the WBC + the HW title especially is a little different in fight fans eyes. Feel a bit sorry for Stiverne in this instance. I still think a healthy, sharp Vitali beats him, but Vitali is getting old and hasn’t fought for nearly a year already. Looks like Vitali may be getting preferential treatment from the WBC and that wouldn’t be right.

Posted August 14, 2013 5:24 am 


Lol stiverne has no say in anything he should stfu… Vitali will beat his ass at 50 just like he can beat Lewis as at 80 lol… Lmao he retired Lewis!!! Hahahahaha

Posted August 14, 2013 5:04 am 


When Vitali was getting injuries back in 2004 he quit for 4 years, so I think he may decide to retire once again. But I don’t know about how bad his current injury is and he may not if the WBC lets him recuperate from it. Maybe Stiverne will fight someone for the “interim Title” until then and Vit will be the Champion Emeterius” (SP.). I think Kostya had something like that. Another one is Ward, he last fought on the same day that Vit last fought.

Posted August 14, 2013 4:27 am 


No McCall didn’t throw the fight, he was just unfit and in no condition to be in the ring, he didn’t know where he was.

Posted August 14, 2013 3:58 am 


It`s fairly easy to go on youtube and find slow mo footage of the punch repeated again and again.

It landed at the extension of Lewis arm so it wasn`t entirely straight, there was some lateral movement that sliced the thumbside of the glove across a little – though still the scoring zone.

FOllowing that Vitali clinches and Lewis keeps punching and pushing Vitali to make room for himself – as you do if you think the guy is hurt, and some of that can be taken as raking if you are so inclined.

The blood is clearly evident when they are then parted.

For me, if someone wants to say the cut was caused illegally, they need to present something solid to show the cut wasn`t caused by the first right hand – and that hasn`t been forthcoming in what 10 years.

Posted August 14, 2013 3:31 am 


Vitaly retired Lewis. Hell even LĹ wife would aknowlege that, which tells a lot how much mancrush some here have on Lewis. He was a great champ but has been dethroned by the then younger lion. Now I think it´s time for Vitaly to call it an end. He also had a great run but time waits for no man. Beside it might allow for an unification bout. Would be great to have an undisputed, unified champ again. Something tells me some here might not like his skin color…

Posted August 14, 2013 3:29 am 


V. Klit needs to be stripped. Stiverne has been his mandatory for 2 years now! Stiverne is a legit number#1 contender who is young and hunger with power and good skills something Klit dosent want to deal with. On another note the worse version of Lewis beat a prime klit and made him look like the elephant man. Case dismissed. Also… Stiverne needs to be granted the title.

Posted August 14, 2013 3:22 am 


Vitaii has no business with that belt anymore and should be stripped

Posted August 14, 2013 3:20 am 


Ohhhhh gtfo!!! If klitchko was a “nobody” then Lewis was aswell because getting 4 rounds and losing two to Lewis in my book dosent make you a ” nobody” and I don’t get why almost the whole please were calling vitally name after a few rounds??? He was called a nobody by Lewis before the fight too but that nobody was in jay Leno show and was named ” people’s champion” so you haters gtfo!!! Get a life!!!

Posted August 14, 2013 3:12 am 


Still spouting lies eh FARMY
Lewis only regained the WBC Title in Nov 2001.
Then fought Tyson in june 2002 as a voluntary
and Vitali in 2003 as a late sub for Mandatory Kirk Johnson

Posted August 14, 2013 3:08 am 


the cut on vitali was initially opened by the wrist part of lewis glove. from then on lewi kept targeting the cut. but i reakon lewis was gassing though and if vitali hadnt been cut he would of eventually beatin lewis for sure. i agree vitali should just call it quits. stivernes solid as, he bashed arreolla big time.

Posted August 14, 2013 3:07 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Vitali was spent also. The resident nuthuggers make it sound like Lennox had no chance, yet Klit was taking some big shots. The Klits have dominated a line of absolute nobodies for the last decade. They are the kings of nothing. Neither one has ever had a career defining moment and have never beat a HOF’er…

Posted August 14, 2013 2:24 am 


Just watched 6th round klichko vs lewis, Klit was lucky to have such finish where he didn’t loose. Even after Klit was able to connect a few times, he was going down.

Posted August 14, 2013 1:55 am 


Vitaly should run, his time is over. I could see Charr was able to reach him every time. Vitaly lost his ability to react fast. Stiverne will kill him. He was able to hold a punch from Arreola, he had stamina and KO punch. Vitaly never had a KO punch, but good reach, stamina, chin, and great reflection. I beleive this time he might use only good chin.

Posted August 14, 2013 1:47 am 

the voice of reason

i love vitali but i think he loses if he fights stiverne. i think he and his team are aware of that too. A few years ago it might have been different but he is definately on the slide and stiverne is one bad S.O.B. I see stiverne as the successor to the heavyweight crown, hes got it all going on and will be very hard to beat in years to come

Posted August 14, 2013 1:42 am 


@Farmboxer – go on youtube and watch the last 30 seconds of round 6 of Lewis-Klitschko.

Tell me – which one of them is hanging on, and which one is trying to punch.

Posted August 14, 2013 1:25 am 


Btw i still think he would beat stivierne very easy if they fight but stivierne deserves a shot !

Posted August 14, 2013 1:05 am 


I love vitally to death and really admire as a great person and a future HOF but I really think its time for him to retire and we cant blame stiverne who wants either a belt or a fight and he deserves that !

Posted August 14, 2013 1:03 am 


Vitali needs to fight or retire. The WBC need grow some eggs and force the issue. Vacate the title and lets see if Wlad can corner the market on belts.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:55 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Clearly, this is the WBC’s official decision — not Vitali Klitschkos. So Team Stiverne’s headline claiming that VK is holding the belt hostage is totally inaccurate. If they want to accuse someone of holding the belt hostage, they should accuse the WBC.

VK is currently out with a legitimate hand injury and it takes a little longer to heal when you’re 42-years-old. But I have no doubt that he’ll still outbox and smash this Hatian fat-boy Stiverne — even in 2014 when he’s older.

By Team Stivern’s logic, Team 3G should be accusing Sergio Martinez — not the WBC and Ring — of holding his Lineal Title hostage because he’s out with an injury and is delaying the fight. But it looks like they may have a little more class and respect than to resort to making belligerent accusations like that.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:54 am 


Lewis went over 2 years without defending his title. I remember how disappointed I was…….WBC did nothing to Lewis……..

Vitali made Lewis retire. Lewis had a badly broken nose. Vitali staggered Lewis, but Lewis could not stagger Vitali. Vitali had plenty of stamina, always has. Lewis was out of gas. Lewis’ promoter signaled Lewis’doctor to signal Lewis’ referee to stop the fight to save Lewis from getting knocked out. Vitali would have knocked Lewis out in the very next round. Lewis refused to rematch Vitali because he was afraid he would lose, actually knew he would lose. Angelo Dundee said that Vitali was cheated out of the WBC title that night. Max Kellerman said that he had never seen Lewis flop down on his stool like he did that night, Lewis was holding on to Vitali to stay up. I know the reason so many hate Vitali, I know the “REAL” reason. Stiverne wants the WBC to give him the title without fighting Vitali, I don’t blame him, Vitali will knock him out……….Even Arreola had Stiverne hurt on the rope in the 8th round, but did not have the stamina to finish him. Stiverne does not want to fight Vitali if he can get the title free instead. By the way, how in the Hell did Wilder get ranked without fighting anyone in the top30 100? Ahhhhh, but that’s alright, now isn’t it.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:51 am 


@Lenin, I like the idea of Wlad holding all the belts – I think he is the only guy worthy of a belt in the division at the moment.

BUT the WBC don`t let their champs have multiple belts any more apparently – see the ultimatums that Suilaman was giving people in the lower weights when they unified a WBC with something else.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:16 am 


Fact is that if Stiverne were Mexican he would have fought Matthew Hatton for the interim title already.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:14 am 


Vitali, it’s time to hang them up. There’s nothing left to prove, and you’re getting old. Still great, but with father age on your back and ringrust from a loooong layoff, it’s really time to call it a day. You’re brother will unite the belts, and then it’ll be the world vs. Vladimir.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:12 am 


Jose Suilaman: Vitali, I’ve been thinking we might have to strip you.

Vitali: I know, I can see your erection.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:11 am 


As for the Lewis-Klitschko fight, Vitali’s cut was caused by multiple punches from Lewis, requiring 63 stitches to close it. On top of that, Lewis was landing his deadly right uppercut at will, violently snapping Vitali’s head back. Vitali was tiring at the time and it looked like Lewis was well on his way to knocking Vitali out, even though Vitali was ahead on the scorecards. They both fought a GREAT fight and it’s a SHAME that there wasn’t a rematch between them. But the fact is, Lewis won, fair and square.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:03 am 


Lewis could’ve KILLED McCall in their 2nd fight. The only reason he didn’t is because he’s a good guy and he didn’t want to hurt him too bad.

Posted August 13, 2013 11:54 pm 


The only reason McCall broke down crying in the ring was because Don King made him throw that 2nd fight, but McCall knew that he could knock Lennox out again!

Posted August 13, 2013 11:48 pm 


Jose Sulamain and the WBC sucks! I was under the impression that the Vitali/Stiverne fight was already a done deal. I like Vitali, but he should be stripped and Stiverne should be offered someone to fight for the belt.

Posted August 13, 2013 11:44 pm 


The doctor at ringside was heard to exclaim “Is this really a mans head, or a plate of sushi prepared by Stevie Wonder?”

There was more Klitschko DNA in Lewis’s glove than there is ever going to be in a baby Hayden Panatierre might have.

Posted August 13, 2013 10:11 pm 


Lewis slugged Vitali’s face right off.

Check out rule 19.2.1 (b) of the Queensbury Rules of boxing it states:

At the start of a round, the boxer must be ready to defend himself in the opinion of the referee, and the boxer must also have a face.

So there is no controversy there. Vitali just needed to do better at not being defaced. He is like the N144 nightbus in that respect.

Posted August 13, 2013 10:05 pm 


I agree. a 5 years younger Vitaly would have eaten Chizora for lunch..
time to retire.. and enjoy all the money you made..

Posted August 13, 2013 10:03 pm 

John Digby

Klitschko should retire. He is 42 years old and his skills are fading. When he could not knock a bum like Chisora out it demonstrated how much his skill level has dropped.

Posted August 13, 2013 10:02 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Lennox has beat every opponent he has been in the ring with, the sisters can’t say the same…

Posted August 13, 2013 10:00 pm 

Lewis lost 2, but won the returns.

BIGFOOT, you are trying to rewrite history, the Lewis v McCall fight gets made, McCall didn’t want to know, Lewis fault, it’s a pity Lewis didn’t leave his chin in the air, there you go, he didn’t, Lewis won, stop making excuses.

Posted August 13, 2013 9:49 pm 


Vitaly has been great champ, but if you are not going to fight than you have to step aside. No exceptions.. Vitaly should be the mandatory for the new champ if he returns.. but in all honesty its time for the champ to call it a day…

Don’t hold the title hostage.. you are not adding to your legacy by adding months to your reign….

Thanks for the memories Vitaly, but its time to pass the torch…

Posted August 13, 2013 9:35 pm 


He didn’t make McCall cry. Oliver was taken out of drug rehab and put in the ring with LL. When have you ever seen McCall or any other fighter act like that?
Don King gave McCall to LL on a silver platter and Lennox naever really did prove that he could beat Oliver when he’s right. I think that’s the only “KO” on McCall’s record too. Some of you guys like hto remake history to fit your own desires.

Posted August 13, 2013 9:30 pm 

Lewis lost 2, but won the returns.

Lewis made McCall cry, Klitschko was as tired as Lewis, he won the fight against Klitschko and avenged both of his losses, facts, Klitschko went on to beat everyone easy, except for the Chisora fight.

Posted August 13, 2013 9:24 pm 


He was not ready to be stopped except due to the cut, the size of the cut from a questionable source. The bout goes down in history as only a controversial win for LL, as does his second bout with McCall.

Posted August 13, 2013 9:18 pm 

Lewis lost 2, but won the returns.

Vitali Klitschko was ready to be stopped, watch the end of the 6th round, he had gassed., anyway don’t disrespect Lewis, he was trading punches with Klitschko, that was a great fight.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:52 pm 


Lewis was getting his ass kicked. He was behind on all cards. He would have to win 5 of the 6 reamaining rounds to win the fight.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:46 pm 


Actually Vitali was a late sub for this fight after LL’s opponent dropped out due to injury. So LL should have been the one in real shape.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:34 pm 

Lewis lost 2, but won the returns.

Lennox Lewis beat Vitali Klitschko, took his bombs, Lewis was under trained and yet Vitali Klitschko was in the fight of his career, he has beat everyone since without too much trouble.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:27 pm 


Oh man, here we go. Now Vitali is running from Stiverne, yeah right.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:14 pm 


This isn’t really doing much for Vitali’s legacy.
Good calibered heavyweights should go out on a high as opposed to avoiding mandatories, taking relatively undeserving green challengers, pulling out due to “so-called” injuries and using politics as a partial excuse.
Fair enough decorated fighters such as Vitali who have been through a number of wars and proven to be deserving of the WBC belt (which at one point was a prestigious and respected organisation) can more or less choose how to walk off into the sunset, but surely this isn’t the way. WBC showing favouritism like usual and that they can simply make the rules as they go, after all Vitali has proven to be a good source of constant income for the WBC.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:13 pm 

Mr Gav

Champions need to defend titles Klitschko or not! And besides vitali is not even sure if he wants to continue or not and since the other 3 titles agree owned by waldimir its seems very un fair a worthy challanger like stiverton is not getting a title shot

Posted August 13, 2013 7:53 pm 


Vitali should step down, maybe retire. With #2 and #3 Arreola V. Mitchell
going for who will be Stiverne’s opponent for the title. We would probably see Stiverne v. Arreola again…….same outcome?

Posted August 13, 2013 7:51 pm 


I love Vitali but I have to agree with this. It’s been too long and still nothing will happen til 2014, besides who knows when in 2014.

Posted August 13, 2013 7:28 pm 

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