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Donavan and you will always be Bias. I bet you are a PAC fan aren’t. you? Why aren’t you talking about the lemon cake that Pac is aboiut to eat in Rios. What if Floyd was about to fight a guy that just got his a-s whipped. March on Clowns, and keep waiting for Mayweather to lose.

Posted July 26, 2013 4:07 pm 


delk1. Mayweather will and always be the lemon collector.

Posted July 26, 2013 1:18 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Floyd knows business as well as he knows boxing. How many MBA’s are out there that have even came close to Floyd’s business success?…

Posted July 26, 2013 11:24 am 



Mayweather will go down as one of the GOAT whether you like it or not. You and the rest of these haters on here is just mad because he is UNDEFEATED!. LOL
He is Damn near 37 and close to 40 years old. and since he’s undefeated you have nothing to talk about, so you CLOWNS bring up fighters that have come and gone. Think about it, you are talking about Mayweather should have fought guys that have retired from the sport MANY years ago. Theres one thing you have to admit. MAYWEATHER IS STILL RELEVANT!. STILL fighting , STILL Champion, STILL RICH, STILL calling the SHOTs, and STILL UNDEFEATED. IF Kosta was such a great fighter, dust his A-s off and put him in the ring with FLYOD. I don’t want to hear about he’s OLD. HELL, MONEY is OLD. LOL
PUT the dam gloves on and STFU!.

Posted July 26, 2013 9:58 am 


I SEE GOOD***** Well said once again. Floyd’s lemons tree grows and adds people like corretamundo and boxing dumb dumb to the tree.

Posted July 25, 2013 2:42 pm 


It doesn’t even matter. MAB and Morales would not have beaten Floyd. They didn’t even bother to move up in weights so they weren’t even candidates.

Posted July 25, 2013 2:38 pm 



Was Morales still in his prime when he finally lost to Pac?

Posted July 25, 2013 12:28 pm 


If MAB and Morales wanted Floyd, all they had to do was move up and fight him. They didn’t. You don’t stay down if you want someone in a higher weight.

I was sick of hearing all those years how Hopkins wanted a rematch with Jones Jr. but Hopkins NEVER moved up. Neither did Joe Calzaghe. Yet it was Jones jr who got heat for it. People are nuts.

People continue to go on about how Mosley and De La Hoya supposedly avoided Kostya Tszyu yet Tszyu was the one that NEVER moved up to 147 when the division was loaded with talent with the likes of Mosley, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Forrest….

Stop the nonsense. If you want someone, fight in their division.

Posted July 25, 2013 12:24 pm 



MAB and Morales would have had to move up in weight. Floyd was not going to be able to go one division lower but maybe at a catchweight of 128 like he was willing to do for Hamed right after he dismantled Corrales.

Again, towards the end of 2001 against Chavez, that fight was his last fight because he was struggling to make weight. It was 135 pounds that he felt more comfortable and said he could have “milked” it in that division.

Floyd did not avoid them because they were not in his division. He would have loved to have fought them if they would have moved up. They were big names. It would have brought him fame much quicker. They would not have beaten him. Morales would have been the better matchup of the two though.

Posted July 25, 2013 12:16 pm 

Tyrone Jones

People just aint as as smart and durable as they were in the past. They went more rounds even though they suffered greater injuries from greater punching.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:24 pm 


And with the way Leonard beat Duran in the rematch, I am sure Floyd could do the same thing. Duran is great but so is Floyd.

Posted July 24, 2013 8:52 pm 


Floyd has not avoided any greats. In this era of boxing where there is TV and different networks the fights people want to see aren’t always going to get made. Floyd fought for and was contracted to HBO for most his career. So that means any fighter contracted to Showtime like Casamayor, Freitas and Kostya where not able to make a fight with Floyd. And then if they declined drug test with lame reasons and then declined the biggest payday of there careers that is another way for a fight not to get made.

Posted July 24, 2013 8:50 pm 


If you have the Ring Championship Belt you are the real champ. That is how I determine it. If someone retires with the Championship belt there has to be a way to win it again. And Floyd has won the Lineal Championship Belt at 130, 135, 147 and he is about to win it at 154 also. He has also won titles at 140 and at 154.

Posted July 24, 2013 8:47 pm 

I see Good

CORRECTOMUNDO You are doing the JEW SHUFFLE Like BOXTRADAMUS The story is ABOUT GREAT FIGHTERS WHO fought EVERYBODY in their DIVISION in their PRIME!!!!! Even Klitchko Lennox Lewis got beat in their CARREERS they FOUGHT all COMERS in their division. Sugar Ray Robinson was GREAT he to was BEATEN in his WEIGHT divison by JAKE LAMOTTA… SOOOOO thats the REASON FLOYD CHERRYPICKER is NOT the greatest. He fought guys he could beat, NOT BOXERS in their PRIME in their weight divisions. Is FLOYD good?? YES but theWORLD cant call him GREAT because he avoided the GREATS. I hope you understand what I am writting. Come September 14th you can go to the WAILING WALL and CRY because your CHERRYPICKER is going DOWN chump. Yes TIM thanks for the compliment I DO SEE GOOD

Posted July 24, 2013 8:29 pm 


“Because Mayweather is the GOAT.” 44 fights over a 17 year period. Approximately an average of 2.5 fights per year. That’s no GOAT performance. Even when the guy has “easy” fights, he only fights two times or less per year. That’s pathetic. Why does he only fight two fights per year? Because he can’t handle the physical and mental stress of fighting more than that. Mayweather may be the biggest “star” right now, but he’s no GOAT. And really, where would his supposed GOATness be right now if he didn’t have Xylocaine around to help him get this far?

Posted July 24, 2013 8:20 pm 


“He has been the real champ” Peej you keep saying this but you are wrong. Look, if a boxer wins only the WBA, or the WBC, or the Ring Championship, etc, he is a CHAMPION. A REAL champion. Floyd has never, as a welterweight or jr. middleweight fought all the top contenders or champions in those divisions. There are five “real” belts in each division: WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, The Ring. So HTF is he the “real champion?” Because he’s been awarded the “super champion” moniker? On the other hand, Floyd has fought “real champs” in his time–one of which wasn’t Robert Guerrero. Now, are you sure you don’t mean “undisputed champion of the world?” Unified champ? A guy who takes all the “real belts” in a division? Regardless, like I said, there’s plenty of real champs around–five in each weight division.

Posted July 24, 2013 8:07 pm 


I SEE GOOD and Tim are two peas in a POD. I have presented the most FACTS here and they have YET to be refuted…Jake Lamotta??? HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thats who you try to bring to the table of GREATNESS??? WHO did he beat besides Robinson??? Lamotta is LESSER than Juan Manuel Marquez. As a matter of FACT he’s MUCH LESSER. WHO did Robinson beat that was better than Marquez??? WHO did he beat that was better than Canelo???

Floyd is the GOAT.

Marquez would knock Robinson OUT. Because Robinson liked to throw a bunch of combinations and go for the knockout. Robinson was dropped by a lightweight even in his PRIME. A lightweight can’t even drop a PAST his prime Mayweather. Because Mayweather is the GOAT.

Posted July 24, 2013 8:05 pm 


“Duran is the best LW of all time.” You got that right, Haimat. As a lightweight, Duran would have leveled Mayweather. Duran was quick, powerful, tough, fierce, and relentless. IMO he was unmatched as a lightweight. After he won back his WBA World Lightweight title in 1973, Duran went on to successfully defend it 12 times over a period of five years, plus he won a total of some 31 fights during that time as a lightweight (not all his lightweightbouts were championship fights). Floyd doesn’t even come close as a lightweight champion. It took Floyd seven years to win 31 fights. Meanwhile, in the two years after his final championship lightweight fight, Duran fought and won seven more bouts bringing his record to 70-1-0 (71 fights with 54 KOs) over a 12-year period since he started as a pro boxer in 1968. Meanwhile, the supposed present-day “GOAT” fought a total of 39 times during the first twelve years of his career earning only 25 KOs. Over 12 years Duran had a 76% KO ratio to Floyd’s 64%. Greatness is what greatness does. No two ways about it, Roberto Duran was the GOAT Lightweight.

Posted July 24, 2013 7:56 pm 


The legacy that Floyd will leave behind will be something of greatness. He has been the real champ in 3 seperate weight classes, about to be 4 and has won titles in 5 different weight classes. That is amazing. He is also constantly taking on top 5 rated fighters in his weight class. Constantly.

Posted July 24, 2013 6:22 pm 


Mayweather has done some good things like paying for Joe Frazier’s funeral, etc, But the legecy he will leave is the legecy of what he is , A COWARD.

Posted July 24, 2013 5:28 pm 


I SEE GOOD YOU DO SEE GOOD. Finally somebody who has facts and understands boxing and history. Yes you are right

Posted July 24, 2013 2:21 pm 

I see Good

Tim YES SUGAR RAY ROBINSON was great. WHY????? Because HE FOUGHT them all i their PRIMES.. Yes Jake Lamotta Beat SUGAR RAY ROBINSON.. The point is the GREAT FIGHTERS FOUGHT ALL the GREATS in their PRIME NO HAND PICK FIGHTS. Like Lennox Lewis fought Oliver Mc Call and got knock out.. Vlad Klitchko got beaten by a few boxers purity, example. NOT LIKE CHERRY PICKER AVOIDING PAC MAN, PAUL WILLIMS

Posted July 24, 2013 1:24 pm 

I see Good

Smartest Man in BOXING HISTORY FLOYD MAYWEATHER!!!!!!! Why? He fought SKILL BOXERS PAST THEIR PRIME OLD WORN OUT SHOP FIGHTERS. NOT in their PRIME.. OR A Boxer example Willing tough NO SKILLS… Canelo has SKILLS is YOUNG and can PUNCH!!!!! Bye Bye Cherry Pickers 0. ha ha ha

Posted July 24, 2013 1:08 pm 

I see Good

WHAT LEGACY???? Bernard Hopkins IS a LEGACY.. He fought EVERY BODY in his weight division. EVEN Roy Jones (and lost) Yes Bernard is hit grab clutch elbow head but kick in groin you know benard tough as NAILS. NOT HAND PICK FIGHTS LIKE CHERRY PICKER.

Posted July 24, 2013 12:53 pm 

I see Good

WHAT LEGACY????? HOPKINS is a legacy he fought ALL in his weight division. NOT CHERRY PICKER

Posted July 24, 2013 12:50 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Haimat has the beat on the great Roberto Duran…

Posted July 24, 2013 12:08 pm 


Hey thanks Donavan.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:19 am 

Tyrone Jones

Yeah these mixed race people were combining wrestling, boxing, and submissions and called it Pankration (Pan Kau Ra Shen) before the Greeks adopted it for the Olympic games.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:18 am 


Floyd does not need to cherry pick, he owns the lemon tree.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:15 am 

Tyrone Jones

SwampHound…and then of course Egyt introduced the earliest known form of mixed martial arts in the 2nd millennium BC.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:13 am 


Fritz you are so right so very right.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:08 am 


here we go again! You have the STUPID rants from Mayweather. Who by the way is fighting another potential fluff fight. Canelo is descent fighter but REALLY unproven at this point. My opinion the Trout fight was a draw. At best! then we have Vivek with his man-crush of Floyd regurgitating the Mayweather talking points. lol, “EASTSIDE”

Posted July 24, 2013 10:07 am 


Haimet yep i agree with your comment, there is noway floyd deals with duran. In prime Duran would had smoked floyd. Floyd came at a time where one is not forced to fight the best at their best. Today you can pick and choose your opposition to your favor. Today the record reflects your best lemons. The ghost was not a cherry pick, he was a nice juicy lemon. Canelo is much the same.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:06 am 


In fact, some of Mayweather’s first title defenses were relatively unknown featherweights (126) moving up to super featherweight (130).

Posted July 24, 2013 10:04 am 


Junio, Morales and Barrera were fighting at 126 lbs while Floyd was fighting at 130 lbs. Fighters mover up and down one weight class or catch-weight all the time and have been for many many years.

Posted July 24, 2013 9:33 am 


Junio, the excuse Floyd gave to not fight Margarito was that he hurt his hand. Then he went with a very uneventful fight against Carlos Baldomir

Posted July 24, 2013 9:27 am 


junio, So many athletes these days wants to pretend that they are there own promoter or are rappers, or gangstas or what not but the million dollar question is: why on earth would Floyd Money May share his first love-money with GBP if he didnt rely on GBP?

Posted July 24, 2013 9:18 am 


TARK, still just watching the Hagler and Leonard fight should make you realize that Floyd, Broner, Quillin or any of the current world champions would struggle real bad in there. Duran is the best LW of all time. Sure he was fat late on in his career but still beat the best 168 fighters. None of the cherry pickers of today would ever step into the ring with a prime Duran.

Posted July 24, 2013 8:40 am 

Ghetto Thug

Anybody knows how is the construction of the outdoor arena going that Scum Arum was building for the Pac-May fight??

Posted July 24, 2013 6:19 am 


The interesting thing about Pac/Floyd and Floyd wanting to be the promoter was that Floyd had the money there to buy Pac out. 40 million is a lot of money. It would have been Pac’s biggest payday. And to have a chunk of that wired to Pac within 24 hrs is Boss.

but given the possibility of how much the PPV “may” generate, and there is no guarantee, Pac had the right to decline the offer even though he would not get a guarantee of 40 million if he did.

Independent arbitrator would have been the best thing it seems.

O well.

Ok. Good talk.

Two great fighters and just some fun for discussion.

Have to go Fritz. Peace.

Posted July 24, 2013 5:13 am 



So this fight would have been after the Corrales fight?

And again, MAB and Morales would move up?

And Floyd’s last fight in 2001, You do know Chavez was Floyd’s last fight at 130, right?
And that the reason why Floyd moved up after that fight was because he starved himself days leading up to the weigh-in to make weight?
And that served a big lesson to him to never struggle to make weight again

Posted July 24, 2013 5:00 am 


Were they going to move up in weight to fight Floyd???

Posted July 24, 2013 4:57 am 


GB isn’t Floyd. Floyd hires GB. There is a difference. Floyd is the one fighting and relies on himself to bring in the big check. G.B. can rely on more than one fighter.

Understand this point?

The Margarito fight was not what it seemed. Oscar was in the background in discussion with Floyd for a future fight.

Arum did not show he had the money up front. He didn’t show he had the money to give to Floyd for that fight. The Money was going to come from the fight itself and was going to be made from Floyd’s name.

Did Arum have “start-up” money? Yes, of course. You tend to need that. but the majority comes after the tickets, and PPV’s and other revenue is counted.

Could Margarito generate that fighting on his own except for a big name opponent? NO.

And again, Arum would have control over the Promotion which decreases Floyd’s overall financial take.

The big cuts also come from overseas pay. That’s one of the things I read that the Promoters tend to keep away from the fighters. All these backdoor deals.

Be your own man and get your hands on it.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:51 am 


Arum has made quite a few fights with Golden Boy so money seems to always talk for Floyd until he’s looking for an excuse. For instance, Arum offered Floyd his then biggest payday to fight Margarito. Ida had him fight Morales and Barrera around 2001

Posted July 24, 2013 4:45 am 


but they have made a lot of money doing it. And I respect that since they worked very hard to get to that point as well as taking a huge risk in life to put themselves into that position.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:38 am 


I actually don’t think Floyd’s legacy for opponents is “all that”

Pac’s fought a lot of “name” fighters at the right time.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:37 am 



List for each.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:34 am 


Ok so now you want to focus on Pac to justify Floyd’s legacy. Well I say Pac fought against ATGs while they were still great at least twice as many times as Floyd has.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:30 am 


And when was he supposed to have fought Morales and MAB?

Cotto and Margarito were under Arum.

Cotto and Floyd were going to fight at a “future date” when both were under Arum. That fight was off once Floyd left Arum. It wasn’t back on until Cotto left Arum and signed his biggest payday to date with Floyd.

Floyd makes the money he does not only because he is the fighter but because he has his hands on ALL the money generated in the fight. That’s how he makes Forbes list which was discussed by one of their writers.

If Arum is involved, Bob will want his big junk.

How much did Pac make by this point fighting all of them?

Posted July 24, 2013 4:21 am 


None of them were at their peaks when Floyd moved in amongst them, which imo made for bad business. If I were Ellerbe, Ida talked him into fighting Barrera, Morales, Pacman, Margarito, Cotto, etcc.. and made him a half-billionair by now

Posted July 24, 2013 4:16 am 


Morales beats Pac. He then moves up. He gets schooled by Zahir Raheem. Should Pac have fought Morales after that schooling where Morales was made to look old?

How about Diaz. Was he the best in the division at the time?

Hatton was knocked out by Floyd. Should Hatton have retired instead of continuing on to eventual fight Pac?

How about Margarito who was brutally beaten down by a Past Prime Shane Mosley who was “too good” at the time for Pac to face. Should Margarito have continued on and faced Pac?

How about a Past Prime Shane Mosley who was made to look even older against Floyd, losing a UD. And then looked subpar in his next fight. Should Shane have continued on to face Pac?

These fighters all do it. They fight for money.

Floyd made Cotto out to be like he was “back” to his old Pre-Margarito self. And even then, I’ve always felt the right style fighter who could keep Cotto hurt would take him out.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:13 am 


Tszyu’s has more power than Floyd and is willing to use that power for the KO. Floyd is defensive minded first.

Different style fighters.

But yeah, I guess you could say Tszyu did better. Especially since they were at their peak. Agree.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:06 am 



Judah and Mitchell, when they were at their peaks, were not in Floyd’s division, were they?

Tszyu didn’t even bother to move up to 147 when the division was loaded with talent like Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Felix Trinidad, Vernon Forrest….

Posted July 24, 2013 4:03 am 


Not sure were you are going but on average Kosya did much better against the same opponents and was willing to fight when they were much hotter

Posted July 24, 2013 4:00 am 


I think Floyd could have done more for his legacy with staying more active. And maybe, just maybe, figured out how to negotiate with Bob Arum. The two of them are stubborn s.o.b.’s that want control.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:58 am 


So again, Floyd did not duck Tszyu.

It was supposed to workout like a mini-tournament: Winners of the Gattii-Mayweather, Tszyu-Hatton fight….meet. It didn’t quite work out that way until later on when Hatton finally stepped up and fought Floyd.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:57 am 



Judah went on to win a title at 147 after he lost to Tszyu, right?

Do fighters rebound after losses?
Sometimes Yes, sometimes no. Sometimes they are just not consistent.

Did he show he was damaged good?
Maybe somewhat. Mentally I thought he was an up and down fighter confidence was.

Some fighters are damaged mentally to some degree, others damaged physically, which tends to all tie together…the Mental and Physical.

Mitchell was surely not going to be the same again. That was a wasted fight.

A lot of fighters do the same.

Pac does it as well. That’s why I tend to tie both of them together to some degree.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:55 am 


yeah Kostya was willing to negotiate a fight out of a perspective network and yeah leftovers like Sharmbay Mitchel, Judah, etc.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:42 am 

Tyrone Jones

Yep Floyd called Winky out and then suddenly outbid himself at the last minute. Winky agreed to all weight stipulations. Mayweather’s camp requested a morning-of-the-fight weigh-in and rehydrate clause that included a stipulation that Wright couldn’t go more than eight pounds above the limit.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:23 am 


You also realize that Hatton beat Tszyu, right?

And that Floyd offered Hatton a fight and Hatton declined the fight more than once, right?
All this was in an article with quotes by Team Hatton admitting it.

So was Hatton a left-over?

Posted July 24, 2013 3:22 am 


Floyd should not be asked to fight at JrMW. Especially back then against a natural JrMW like Winky. It was the lure of Oscar that brought him up to 154.
Oscar was not a natural jrMW so it wasn’t going to bother Floyd.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:17 am 



Answer the questions listed.

Look at the years. Look at the activity. Looking at the rankings. Look at who was fighting who on what network.

And then tell me when Floyd and Kostya could have met when you wanted them to.

My info came from paying attention to what was going on through media, articles, and interviews.

Again, Kostya has said on his own website during that time that he could have made the fight happen even after the Hatton fight. All he had to do was pick up the phone and call Floyd and it would be a done deal.

Your talking about a time period where Floyd was desperate to make big fights happen because he was not “Money May” at the time. He became bigger with the Oscar fight and could call the shots after.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:15 am 


I think the most devastating KO that pacman had felt is against our very own filipino boxer rustico torrecampo, back in 1996.Watch it on youtube..It was a super KO who hit in the chin…But what happen manny bounce back after that lose and he keep on winning. Manny can overcome all the challenges in his life.

Posted July 24, 2013 2:52 am 


Floyd and Winky were never gonna fight because of the weight difference at the time. Winky did not get robbed against Hopkins. He simply for roughed up and beat.

Posted July 24, 2013 2:46 am 

Swamp hound

Um..didnt the Greeks invent boxing?

Posted July 24, 2013 2:34 am 


Guerro was a corpse. May’s record is a graveyard of bones and dirt, not because he put them there but because they were dead to begin with.

Posted July 24, 2013 1:36 am 


Yeah Junio, Winky gave Floyd every offer but all were ducked. He then went on to get robbed against Bernard. Then Paul kicked his butt. Thus paul beat the man that scared the man

Posted July 24, 2013 1:26 am 


Not sure where you get your info but my feelings are simply that Kostya fought all comers at 140 while Floyd selected the least resistance before moving up to fight Kostya’s leftovers. Btw, Hatton followed the money from Showtime to HBO.

Posted July 24, 2013 1:22 am 


Correstcamundo, Guerrero needed more experience than Berto at 147. In fact, he was supposed to fight Broner but Broner refused to sign the contract. I guess Floyd came in to protect lil brother

Posted July 24, 2013 1:09 am 


If there was one fighter Floyd could have fought during a certain time it was Paul Williams.

Williams was calling out everyone. Especially the big names like Floyd and Pac. Even after he moved up in weight to get fights he said he would come back down to fight them if they didn’t wan to fight at 154.

Posted July 24, 2013 12:57 am 



PEEJ is correct on this one and I’ve stated it before as well: Tszyu was on showtime and FLoyd was on HBO. You need a PPV fight for them to come together. And in order to do that, both fighters need to be popular. Neither Floyd or Tszyu were that popular in the States to be a PPV headliner.

Other tings: Tszyu was relatively an inactive fighter later in his career. And it didn’t help he got injured.

Some questions: How many fights did he have the year prior to Floyd moving up?
And how many did he have the year Floyd moved up?

Who was ranked #1 at the time before and during Floyd’s move up?

Who did Tszyu end up fighting during the year Floyd started to fight at 140?

Who did Floyd fight and where were they ranked?

After that, why would Floyd fight Gatti and Tszyu fight Hatton?
I’ll give you this one. Hatton and Tszyu were on Showtime. Easy fight to be made. Hatton offered Tszyu his biggest career payday. Easy decision.
Gatti and Floyd were on HBO. Easy decision/fight to be made. Gatti was very popular and would help boost Floyd’s rep. as well as his bank account.

What happens to the winners of these two fights?
They can fight each other.
Gatti and Hatton as a possible fight was even talked about. But you need good a rea$on to come together.

Floyd did not duck Tszyu.

Tszyu himself said if he wanted, he could call Floyd up and get a fight because he knows the Mayweathers and he knows Floyd wants it. This was even after the Hatton los when asked if he could get another big fight.

Posted July 24, 2013 12:54 am 


Correctamundo Floyd dont have a hot list, in fact the list of fighters for the past 6 years is cold as ice. When it comes to Floyd there was no hot fight, hatton was interesting because he was undefeated, castillo was hot because he was.

Posted July 24, 2013 12:54 am 


Sredmond, You can camp or rent a cabin in the Spring Mountains or rent a house boat on lake Mead. There are also some renowned hostels in and around town

Posted July 24, 2013 12:50 am 


Floyd called out Kostya but I think of of the issues was is that Kostya was a Showtime fighter and Floyd was an HBO fighter. There has only been one fight where one fighter had a contract with HBO and the other had one with Showtime and it took a lot for them to come to terms for the fight and that was the Lewis vs Tyson fight.

Posted July 24, 2013 12:33 am 


Mayweather moved to 140 in 2004 to fight Demarcus Corley. Then fought Henry Bruseles. Both of these fights were before Tsyzu lost to Hatton in mid 2005

Posted July 24, 2013 12:31 am 


Correctomundo, Floyd fights one to two fights a year and few with the experience of opponents that Robinson faced. In his prime Robinson would fight 10 to 20 fights a year with all kinds of hot fighters. They just don’t appear hot to you because those fighters knew that legacy depended way more on real challenges rather than a hyped complex over staying undefeated.

Posted July 24, 2013 12:23 am 


Tim, i guess his day will come when he loses, is he a GOAT no did he duck fighters only one that I know of and that was Paul Williams. Did he duck Manny no earlier in this a posted a quote from Manny’s manager from SI. When Floyd was trying to get Manny in the ring. I wish someone had some crediable infromation, because I keep hearing how he ducked but who was it. Please don’t say Tsyzu, he was beaten by Hatton before Mayweathers move to 140. When Mayweather challanged the fellow title holders at 140 they were Cotto and Hatton, both turn the fight down.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:50 pm 


The Guerrero Fight was a CLINIC TOO. ..and SO was the Marquez Fight.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:39 pm 


Boxing CLINICS are boring. SO is a basketbal clinic, Golf clinic, Football clinic, and Bowling clinic. But the FACT is there’s only one man in the History of Boxing that can consistently put on a CLINIC vs CHAMPS and Top 10 P4P Fighters. And that is Floyd “the GOAT” Mayweather. ….and another CLINIC is on the way!! It might be boring to YOU but it sold out in less than a DAY. SO everyone seems to love Mayweather clinics. The Baldomir Fight should be shown to every MAN, WOMAN, and CHILD. Its a clinic on how to HIT and not GET HIT.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:38 pm 


Robinson never even beat more than 8 straight HOT Fighters. Floyd has beaten 19 straight HOT Fighters. WOW!!!! You have been enlightened.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:30 pm 


Mayweather fans, your boy is top dog when it comes to making that money, but what does that really mean. I think Taco Bell makes 20 times the money Money May makes. So much for how much money really means. Well after all the dissapointing fights Mayweather has bored us with, lets hope Canelo vs Mayweather is worth more than a couple cheap beers and frozen burritos

Posted July 23, 2013 11:27 pm 


Correctamundo im not sayin your boy isnt good he is. Im sayin that Money May is most likely the best business man in boxing history besides Hoya and b-hop. Mayweater actually has learned well from all the fighters before him when it comes to making money, he is the second best. Hoya is the best. Im looking at all the big names that have graced that ring who overed the biggest fights in history, history making rounds and moments. Mayweater is not part of that greatness, sorry he is not. Sucker punching ortiz, running from pacman, picking soft fighters who already had been beaten is just not history to many and not to me. When it comes to Robinson, just bow down. Robinson beat them all

Posted July 23, 2013 11:22 pm 


Fight Aficionado, please name all of these fighter that was ducked. I keep seeing people put Mayweather duck all of these fighters but no names.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:13 pm 


Tim you might want to learn more about Boxing….talking about CHERRIES??? Ray’s resume is a Cherry PIE with MUCH cherries in it.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:10 pm 


E in Denver, Yes i blame on party in thia and that is Bob Arum, when Oscar De La Hoya was being called “Chicken De La Hoya” who was behind it, take a guess, I already know it was Bob arum. When Mayweather was being accused of ducking Corellas, guess who was behind this, the same man Bob Arum. If you remember of if you were around at this time shortly after De La Hoya fought Trinandad and Mayweather Fought Corellas they both left Arum. This is also the reason that Oscar and Floyd have problems making fights with Arums fighter. Just a little history of the situation that in my opinion is the true road block in a fight between Floyd and Manny.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:09 pm 


Roy I’m talking to EVERYONE including YOU. Floyd didn’t raid anything. Floyd MAKES CHERRIES out of CHAMPS. 10 out of the last 12 as a matter of FACT. No one can match it.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:08 pm 


a mundo>>> Are you serious guy better than ray robison wow thats a bold statement for a fighter who not worth one of robinson’s shoe laces must be some good weeed where you at

Posted July 23, 2013 10:59 pm 


Correcta))))) Are you OK, who are you talking to. Anyway on top of the food chain? Your boy is a farce and always will be. Floyd wants to be one of the great ones, but will be the bum of boxing. Showtime was smart, they sign floyd to a 5 fight deal where he had no choice but to be forced to fight Canelo, but who is Canelo. Canelo is a good fighter who hasnt done a darn thing in boxing and much like floyd has raided the cherry tree.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:52 pm 


Floyd is BETTER at the Sport of Boxing than Ray Robinson. Compubox says that I am CORRECT on that.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:48 pm 


Zenitram, gee six, Jokers Wild or whatever you call yourself these days, you disappeared for a YEAR and you’re back but the FACTS remain the same. Floyd is still at the TOP of the Food chain. The SHARK in the water. …when you left you SAID Floyd would never face or beat the Cinnamon Kid but I see that Floyd made you change your tune. Don’t give UP on your boy before the SHARK eats him UP. Thats SISSYFIED.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:43 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Tard wrote:” I’ve been around since the 1950′s and watched Robinson and Marciano fight live on TV”. LMAO, I missed that one…

Posted July 23, 2013 10:40 pm 


C O R R E C TUMUDO; BALDIMORE, GATTI, CORRALES, HATTON, SHANE,, ARE YOU NUTS; that is an insult to the hall of fame. Mayweather has one and only one super fight to his entire record and thats castillo . he lost that. Now the only undeated champ he ever fought was, hatton. Hatton! whats that worth. Is this what you bragg about. shame on you

Posted July 23, 2013 10:39 pm 


Boxeo and Bad Dog make WEAK points. FACT is that Floyd has beaten 10 CHAMPS in his last 12 Fights. WOW!!!! NO one can match it. SO everyone in the History of Boxing are Bigger Duckers than Floyd. That’s why Floyd is the GOAT.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:37 pm 


Boxe0-WHEN did you start watching Boxing??? Last night? Floyd has PLENTY Fights to put into the GREAT vault. Take a LOOK at Mayweather vs. Corrales. Take a LOOK at Mayweather vs. Gatti. Take a LOOK at Floyd vs. Baldimir. Also LOOK at Floyd vs Hatton. Also LOOK at Floyd vs. Mosley and Marquez. a matter of FACT just put all 44 Fights in there…. Its Boxing MASTERY at its FINEST.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:34 pm 


Hissydalgo says…”Exactly when was that?”-December 8th, 2012 at about 9 o clock PST Pacquiao got kmocked out by Marquez after having a 4 pound advantage at the weigh in….Same exact weight advantage that Floyd had vs Marquez at the weigh in. ….That Fight demonstrated what I had SAID all along. SKILLS and Boxing IQ are GREATER than weight.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:27 pm 


Haimat…. I’ve been around since the 1950’s and watched Robinson and Marciano fight live on TV… I saw all the lame middleweights of the Hagler era.. Before Hag came up you had Monzon and Valdez who were great middleweights.. Hag retired rather than face guys who came up at the end of his reign like Mike McCallum and Michael Nunn.. They were just too good for him.. There wasn’t one single natural middleweight who Hagler fought who was an outstanding boxer-puncher like Toney, Hopkins, Jones, McCallum, Nunn, or Reggie Johnson.

Leonard and Hearns refused to face McCallum and Nunn as well. Just the facts.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:17 pm 


Pac wants Rios tested and accused Marquez of cheating. Especially Hecdog. LOL HEY PAC I thought the Boxing Commison Testing was good enough??? LMAO

Thats a fair point.

Posted July 23, 2013 9:56 pm 


When mayweather is done, then boxing is reborn.

What a remark, cool

Posted July 23, 2013 9:53 pm 


Boxing needs the likes of a mayweather. Anyone who can say he is better than sugar ray robinson, and fail time and time again gives the sport a little comedy hour. Mayweather is a joke.

Posted July 23, 2013 9:44 pm 


When mayweather is done, then boxing is reborn.

Posted July 23, 2013 8:44 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

The Body Snatcher was never a big enough draw to sell the big tickets, not to mention he was dangerous. One of my favorite fighters of all time, just not the right opponent for the biggest names who wanted to stay that way…

Posted July 23, 2013 8:39 pm 

gee six

Boxtra, boxhead or whatever you like to call yourself. You have been the complete idiot when it comes to boxing. You know boxing like jordan knows how to play baseball. Boxhead, not only are you stuck on stupid when it comes to the biggest chump in boxing, but you found an additional cherry picking runt in that of andre ward.

Posted July 23, 2013 6:36 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Boxeo and Bad Dog make excellent points. Fact is Floyd ducked a bevy of top names from 140 to 147 and his trend of choosing opponents went from the best available at 130-135 to the “name” weaker links from 140-147. That DQs him from GOAT discussions.

Posted July 23, 2013 2:31 pm 


Floyd has not ducked anybody. Certain fights couldn’t be made because Floyd was contracted to HBO and some of the other fighters where contracted to Showtime. Like Casamayor and the dude from Brazile. Those are the only fights people can say he ducked and there was a reason why those fights couldn’t get made. As for Margacheato well he shouldn’t even be mentioned because he was a cheater and Williams was overrated and couldn’t stay in a weight class long enough to challenge the belt holders

Posted July 23, 2013 2:14 pm 


I’m not saying Floyd’s the goat but you don’t have to have a brutal fight to be great and that’s what Floyd is. He is great. It’s not his fault he can win his fights without going to war.

Posted July 23, 2013 2:09 pm 


Floyd GOAT? Name a Floyd fight that will be remembered generations to come much like Ali Frazier or Ali Foreman, Ali Liston, etc…

You can’t manufacture a legacy.

Posted July 23, 2013 1:41 pm 

Bad Dog

Floyd as GOAT ?

Naw, not remotely. His talent far outshone his accomplishments. He played it too safe, not daring to take it to the greatness level.

Twelve fights in the past ten years. That wont’t put you at GOAT.

An easy top 10 alltime in terms of talent, but at best, top twenty to thirty in overall greatness.

Posted July 23, 2013 1:36 pm 

Bad Dog

Tito vs GGG ?

Are you outta your mind ?

Are we talking 160 ?
Tito did little of note at 160 ( One half-decent win over an ageing Joppy), and even less after he was ‘taught’ proper wrapping technique.

Tito was KD’d early and often in many fights by boxers with nowhere near the power of GGG.

GGG by early KO.

Posted July 23, 2013 1:29 pm 

E in Denver

Urone2- Jr allegedly went into negotiations twice but denied it. They all ducked out of this fight Jr, Pac & Arum. This isn’t the first case of Jr ducking opponents so naturally a lot of people like to place all the blame on Jr. Bottom line is if both guys wanted this fight it would have happened already. Since it hasn’t happened you can deduce that neither want it bad enough. Trying to deflect blame solely on one camp or the other is just groupie-ism.

Posted July 23, 2013 12:50 pm 



Thank you

Posted July 23, 2013 12:26 pm 


Do you Mayweather hater know that Floyd met with Pacquioa’s Manager before Manny racked up those losses. Article from sports illustrated “Floyd what happens if you lose to Pacquioa rematch for more money”. Floyd never stopped trying to get Pacquioa in to the ring he wanted that payday to end all paydays. People seem to be blind to his real motivation even though he has put it out there, it not his legacy it’s his bank account. At the time when Floyd and Manny were on top, Manny was the gold nugget that Floyd wanted most. But, for Arum if Floyd got hold of the nugget it culd have possibly became silver and Arum wasn’t having it.

Posted July 23, 2013 12:26 pm 


Pac wants Rios tested and accused Marquez of cheating. Especially Hecdog. LOL HEY PAC I thought the Boxing Commison Testing was good enough??? LMAO

Posted July 23, 2013 12:14 pm 


HEY PAC, I thought the Boxing Commision testing was good enough???lol

Posted July 23, 2013 12:12 pm 



All Pac had to do was call Mayweathers bluff and except the ramdom Blodd testing with no cutoff dates, O wait, Mayweather withdrew that offer and said OK, we can do a 7 day cut-off, (TRYING TO MAKE THE FIGHT). What did Manny say?? he said I want a 3 week cut-off.(21 days) Mayweather said, I’ll meet you half way. 14 day cut-off. MANNY SAID NO. END OF STORY.

IF MAYWEATHER WAS scared why he try and make 2 to 3 different offers.

BLOOD TESTING makes Pacroid weak ONLY when he is negotiating with Mayweather. LMAO , because NOW all of sudden HE IS READY TO TAKE THE BLOOD TESTING. He want RIOS tested. BUT WAIT a GO DAMM MINUTE. Didn’t PACMAN say that the boxing commisoner drug testing was good enough, and that he was only going to do what the commision requires???? LOL

THE TRUE is BOB ARUM did’nt want Manny in the ring with Money! Period

Posted July 23, 2013 12:08 pm 


TO ALL OF THE MAYWEATHER HATERS. ITS TOO LATE. You can’t discredit an OLD man, for beating up YOUNG men in THEIR prime. I know you guys want Money to lose, BUT>>>>>… Stay tune.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:54 am 


de facto, ITS TOO LATE. THIS IS getting old, The man is 44-0 and he is 36 damm near 37 years old. Discrediting him makes you look Hollow and small. Its really stupid.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:49 am 


Defacto who should Mayweather fight or have fought? KOSTa, The one that lost to HATTON?? I read somewhere on this site that Mayweather DUCKED Kosta zu. LOL. In case you guys have not notice, but Mayweather do not fight guys coming off a lost. Even if he wanted to he couldnt because PACMAN got all of those fighters lock in for his next opponents. LOL
Here is an example, If Andy Garcia lose his next fight, should Mayeather fight him next??
Even if he wanted to, he couldnt, because PACMAN the super hero will be fighting him. LOL you guys are like chicks, mad because you didnt get what you wanted, which is a Mayweather lost. LOL Keep waiting, it may happen, but it want be because of skills. ITS to late to try and discredit Money if he lose. HEs FREAKING 36 YEARS OLD, going on 37. LOL

Posted July 23, 2013 11:45 am 

de facto

Mayweather will enter the halll of fame for slaying oldmen, beaten fighters, the sucker punch, running from manny and a nice jail record.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:41 am 

de facto

Delk1 you kidding me dude, money may- is this the same guy who ran from the biggist pay day in boxing history, that money may. Mayweather is no the best in the game, he is the joke of boxing for all time.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:35 am 


AND WHY do I hear guys saying that Mayweather Ducked Shane and Cotto in their prime. Are you guys really that hung slung on hating Mayweather. Mayweather called out OSCAR, SHANE and then Cotto. Oscar said mayweather was a nobody, Shane said he had a toothache and he was going on a vacation, and Cotto said he was not ready for Mayweather. All 3 of these guys DUCKED Mayweather because at the time of their careers, they could NOT afford a lost. Thats the business of boxing. If you don’t like it, then too bad. GET OVER IT.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:35 am 

de facto

Mayweathers legacy????? hahahahah what legacy! Legacy of punk pick fights , a resume of cherryland picks. The chump all most got knocked out by old man mosely. The canelo fight is no different from the last 20 years, cherryman can.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:33 am 


Mayweather Duck Larry Merchant too. LMAO

Posted July 23, 2013 11:29 am 


HEY GUYS Mayweather didnt fight one of the Kilzkos, He ducked them lol

Posted July 23, 2013 11:27 am 



Punks don’t get in the ring weighting 147 and let his opponent come in at 170 pounds plus.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:24 am 


“WHO had the same weight advantage that the GREAT Manny Pacquiao had vs Marquez but WON in DOMINANT fashion while Manny got knocked out???”Exactly when was that?

Posted July 23, 2013 11:20 am 



Sorry to hear all the hate from you my man. LOL

Cherrypicker or not, HE IS THE BEST IN THE GAME TODAY!
you being mad because Money didnt fight who you thought he should have will not change the Facts. 44-0 and counting. 36 years old and counting. 30 to 40 million per fight and counting. Fighting another pound for pound fight and count. DO I NEED TO GO ON?

RIOs ANOTHER fighter coming off a LOST. You can call his next fight the battle of the LOSERS. LOL

Posted July 23, 2013 10:56 am 


Duck Dodger

You forgot one person.
PACROID himself, he ducked the Mayweather fight. He said he was scared of needle. Now all of a sudden he and Rios is taken blood test for their up coming bout. ALL of a sudden Pac is not scared of needles. LOL Look, PAC was on something, that why the Mayweather fight did not go down. PERIOD.

Pac the PED wife cheater and boxing biggest cheater. LOL

Posted July 23, 2013 10:50 am 



Posted July 23, 2013 10:39 am 

The Truth

TARK, as far as boxing declining rapidly. It’s a world wide phenomena. Where I’m from we used to have ten times as many boxing tournaments. At each event we had full attendance in each weight class. This was 25 years ago.

Now we have one or two tournaments and kids have to go home without getting a fight due to no opponents.

Watch Leonard and Hagler fight and wake up from your delusions about GGG and Canelo and Floyd and what not. GGG and Canelo are still unproven. Lets wait a few years and see what these dudes will accomplish when they start fighting qualified opponents. GGG’s best opponent is a guy named Macklin who was knocked out cold against a British journeyman after 10 rounds.

Posted July 23, 2013 4:47 am

You speak the truth, brother!

Posted July 23, 2013 8:20 am 


Hmmm, Ward hasn’t fought since September, he should have a mandatory coming sooner or later.

Posted July 23, 2013 7:28 am 


That’s GGG I’m talking about. It seems to have gotten fashionable to move up now rather than become the true champ of where you are at.

Posted July 23, 2013 7:22 am 


Nah, give Leonard 15 rounds against Floyd and he’d win. Why should go up and not sideways and just try to dominate the Middles like Monzon and Hagler always did.

Posted July 23, 2013 7:19 am 


JMM is critical about GGGs lack of upperbody movement and flatfootedness and thinks he’ll get exposed if he ever fights Ward. I think so too.

Posted July 23, 2013 4:50 am 


TARK, as far as boxing declining rapidly. It’s a world wide phenomena. Where I’m from we used to have ten times as many boxing tournaments. At each event we had full attendance in each weight class. This was 25 years ago.

Now we have one or two tournaments and kids have to go home without getting a fight due to no opponents.

Watch Leonard and Hagler fight and wake up from your delusions about GGG and Canelo and Floyd and what not. GGG and Canelo are still unproven. Lets wait a few years and see what these dudes will accomplish when they start fighting qualified opponents. GGG’s best opponent is a guy named Macklin who was knocked out cold against a British journeyman after 10 rounds.

Posted July 23, 2013 4:47 am 


I don’t know why people still think Mayweather would’ve lost to Margarito. Cheato is what he is cheato, period. Mayweather moves far better than Cotto and it took Margarito 11 rounds to catch up to Miguel. Cotto had a chance to fight Floyd in 2005 which he conveniently refused. People hate Floyd so much that it blinds them. Yes, he should’ve fought Freitas and Paul Williams but he didn’t.

Posted July 23, 2013 4:00 am 


When Mayweather fights 119 times in his career I`m sure we`d cut him some slack for being chubby or not getting going in some.

Posted July 23, 2013 3:18 am 

Duck Dodgers

Those who accused Pacquiao of using drugs:
Floyd Mayweather, Sr – cocaine dealer, crack smoker, husband of crack feign
Roger “The Crack Mamba” Mayweather – crack smoker, grandma beater, female student boxer beater
Floyd “Drug Money” Mayweather, Jr – son of crackheads, xylocaine abuser
Paulie “The Magic Mushroom” Malignaggi – artificial hair and tan, probably artificial muscle and stamina
Oscar de la Hoya – cokehead, alcoholic
Ricky “Give Me Another Hit, Man” Hatton – cokehead, alcoholic
Shane”Powdered White Substance” Mosley – multiple PED user

Posted July 23, 2013 3:17 am 

Tyrone Jones

Tark, just go to boxrec or wiki and see how the likes of Hagler, SRL, Hearns, Whitiker, etc fought hall of famers while they were “still in their prime”. Then watch youtubes of these of how devastating they were compared to modern fighters like Floyd. Yeah back in the day, fans had the privilege of purchasing real elements of surprise.

Posted July 23, 2013 3:07 am 


Tark my friend. Why so angry? You’re dead wrong on Canelo beating Duran or Norris. You cannot give Canelo the edge over either guy because Canelo has done nothing. I hope you’re not basing this on the Trout win. You’re talking about a Roberto Duran that is an ATG. The Benitez that beat Duran would have annihilated Canelo. The Norris that destroyed Mugabi would have destroyed Canelo. You’re giving Canelo way too much credit for basically accomplishing nothing. And trust me, Duran and Norris had more skills than Canelo.

I agree with Hecdog’s words above 100%

Posted July 23, 2013 3:00 am 

Tyrone Jones

In other words, dont just take the test but let them store your blood for ten years so the regulators can finally catch up with the fat cat’s fraudulent franchises.

Posted July 23, 2013 2:56 am 


So Floyd can’t lose a fight through 5 divisions up to age 38 or he’ll never be the GOAT.. But Leonard can get whipped up on like a 4-round fighter when he’s years younger.. And Duran can quit, come in chubby, and have all kinds of nights where he never gets started against guys who have no accomplishments… Hearns can get knocked out 3 times in his 20’s… And they can all duck Mike McCallum and other tough fighters of the era.

Makes sense… Such a fair deal

Posted July 23, 2013 1:35 am 


CORRECTION. …striking out a PRO batter…

Posted July 23, 2013 1:19 am 


WHO had the same weight advantage that the GREAT Manny Pacquiao had vs Marquez but WON in DOMINANT fashion while Manny got knocked out??? WHO is SO slick that he can sucker punch a PRO during legal punching time??? (Which is equivalent to a pitcher sucker striking out a atter while he’s at the plate) WOW!!

Posted July 23, 2013 1:18 am 


Because we’re looking at UP until NOW. Thats how. Some people in this World can never get anything done or drive themselves crazy because they’re always asking themselves…”What IF THIS???” “What IF THAT???”. …Well the FACT is that right now Floyd is 44-0 and has beaten 10 CHAMPS in his last 12 Fights along with 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters. He has the Compubox record for hitting and not getting hit and the went back and tabulated Ray Robinson’s Fights caught on tape TOO. …Its SIMPLE to see that at THIS point Floyd is the GOAT. ..Forget the what IFS. I look at what IS. Floyd IS the GOAT.

Posted July 23, 2013 1:02 am 


It doesn’t make any sense at all to talk about Floyd’s legacy & greatness status in the history of boxing, while he’s still active; I just don’t see how anybody can make that work without breaking the most basic rules of logic. Of course at ESB any nonsense is possible & I’m somewhat disappointed by the good posters that allow this kind of gibberish without ridiculing it…how can anybody compare Floyd’s legacy when Floyd’s legacy’s being written & therefore unknown? How can he be the Greatest Of All Time, when he’s still fighting? What if he loses by KO like Pac? Or loses 2 in a row by TKO? Or loses all 6 fights by decision? I can’t accept Floyd’s legacy comparisons & I can’t accept that Floyd’s the GOAT…neither one makes any sense, to me.

Posted July 23, 2013 12:46 am 


WHO fought a number of fights– only in Las Vegas– so he could use a pain killer that was illegal in every state except Nevada? WHO was the FOOL who falsley accused Manny Pacquiao of doing PEDs and as a result had to pay a large out of court settlement for doing so?WHO has called Manny Paquiao out numerous times but has never done what he needed to do to make a fight with him? WHO cheated on his weight in one of the most important fights of his career, and against a guy that normally fought two weight divisions lower than him, after agreeing to a catchweight limit? WHO sucker-punched his way to a KO win? WHO claims he “doesn’t do catchweight fights” but has one scheduled in September this year? WHO only fights twice a year–sometimes less–even though in a majority of his fights at welterweight, he rarely sustained any injury? WHO has only had one legitimate knockout in the last 8 years and in his last 10 fights? Who fights “safe” and is famously known for his “boring” fights? WHO is Correctamundo in love with?

Posted July 23, 2013 12:29 am 


largo-at THIS time Floyd is the GOAT. The foundation of that argument is STRONG. WHO has gone through 5 weight classes while remaining UNDEFEATED??? WHO had the balls to start facing nothing but CHAMPS and/or Top 10 P4Pers in 12 straight Fights???? WHO has been the Top Fighter in the ENTIRE Sport at 36 yrs old besides Hopkins??? WHO has had the balls to face a guy who will outweigh him by UP to 20 lbs on Fight night at 36 yrs old??? WHO has the Compubox record for hitting his opponents MUCH more than they hit him on average??? WHO is SO slick that he can sucker punch a PRO and knock him out????

Floyd is the GOAT.

Posted July 22, 2013 10:48 pm 


I hope TARK & CORRECTAMUNDO read my post fully & think about it for a minute or two & don’t rush an answer…I’d be waiting for a well-thought out response…

Posted July 22, 2013 9:52 pm 


The claim by CORRECTAMUNDO & TARK that Floyd is the GOAT doesn’t have a solid foundation & is rather silly…Floyd could very well be considered to be the GOAT if he’s successful in his last fights but not before. Notice that I said “considered” not that those wins will make him GOAT automatically, but the idea will be kicked around among boxing historians, fans & scribes for some time “till a consensus is reached. Why is silly to call Floyd the GOAT right now? Very simple really, Floyd has at least 6 fights left –starting with Canelo-& it’s in the realm of possibilities that he could get KO in one of those fights-like Duran, Roy Jones & Pac were-& that would automatically disqualify him for such unique title…my 2 cents.

Posted July 22, 2013 9:46 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Agree with largo. The same can be said about a fighter’s peak. History will tell us when Floyd was at his peak. Many folks say Broner is an up and comer, but for all we know his last fight could have been his peak. No one knows until Tard’s mother sings…

Posted July 22, 2013 9:42 pm 

Tomato Can

It’s pretty difficult to gage Canelo’s to previous JrMW’s. but he does know how to beat up blown up fighters, which tells me he would have gave Duran lots of problems at 154…. Norris could beat just about anyone at JrMW on a night where he was one and didn’t catch one on the chin. Still Canelo has more than enough pop to smash a Norris type chin… But really it seems, in a lot of fans eyes, Canelo has fallen a notch or two since this this fight was signed… Canelo isn’t as good as Mayweather, but he isn’t too shabby either. 152 he’ll be hard to handle for any fighter in that range. Still chumps here will try and denounce that fact…

Posted July 22, 2013 9:32 pm 


Does it even make sense to talk about the legacy of an active fighter? A guy that has at least 6 more fights left? His legacy is still being written & nobody can claim to know the outcome of those fights-only you have a magic crystal ball.

Posted July 22, 2013 9:26 pm 


IF there are SO many CHAMPS why is no one elae beating them left and right like Floyd IS????

Posted July 22, 2013 9:24 pm 


Probably be a multi-billionaire.

Posted July 22, 2013 9:18 pm 


There’s been a lot of temporary champs to beat with 4 organiztions and questionable P4P’ers during Floyd’s time. It’s going to get worse probably. In 20 years someone might have a record of beaing 50 champs.

Posted July 22, 2013 9:00 pm 


Tark my friend. Why so angry? You’re dead wrong on Canelo beating Duran or Norris. You cannot give Canelo the edge over either guy because Canelo has done nothing. I hope you’re not basing this on the Trout win. You’re talking about a Roberto Duran that is an ATG. The Benitez that beat Duran would have annihilated Canelo. The Norris that destroyed Mugabi would have destroyed Canelo. You’re giving Canelo way too much credit for basically accomplishing nothing. And trust me, Duran and Norris had more skills than Canelo.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:57 pm 


….”over 12 rounds” correction, sorry. Jeez.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:53 pm 


Seems that Floyd’s opposition has been pretty weak. He’s never had to go 12 rounds which is more beneficial for the boxer than the puncher. So what about the others @welterweight? pretty tough.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:51 pm 


Right… An idiot could list a 100 heavyweights that could beat Vitali… They could start with Adamek and Peter, and just say they had a bad night when they got whipped.

Vitali is 42.. Napoles was 36 when he fought the inept Stracy.. That’s OK.. Napoles was beaten by LC Morgan years before he fought Cokes.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:43 pm 


Napoles was at the end of his career and Palomino and Green or Stracy aren’t on the list.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:35 pm 


You guys weren’t around then…

There was NO talent when Napoles became WW champion… Curtis Cokes was basically a right handed and slower version of Paul Williams.. Joe Harris couldn’t see out of one eye and he beat Cokes easily.. Napoles was beaten by a John Stracy who was so inept it was laughable.. Carlos Palamino had no jab, and or defense, but he went over to England and beat Stracy so easily he made him look like a sub novice … which essentially he was. Boy Green was even worse.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:26 pm 


TARK-I don’t post as Boxtra anymore SO whoever posted that isn’t me. But I THANK him for exposing your feeble brain like he DID to Fight Aficionado….That poster is just like a kid playing basketball wearing a Kobe jersey. DO you really think he’s Kobe Bryant just because his jersey says Bryant in the back???? You DUMMY. GO wash your EYEGLASSES….Again its an HONOR to have posters want to post under my GREAT name. …and its a blessing.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:19 pm 


Add a prime Mosely, Jose Napoles, ODLH. Drop Pacman, I never thought he could beat Floyd at Welter, Jr. Welter would have been better.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:15 pm 


BigMikeTampa-Comparing Floyd’s feats aren’t delusional. They’re FACTUAL. People always try to state that there are at least 4 CHAMPS in each weight class now but that point is irrelevant. Floyd doesn’t face any CHAMPS that are rated lower than #2. He always faces the TOP rated CHAMP or the 2nd rated CHAMP.
Cotto was the Top rated CHAMP at 154 when Floyd beat him. Canelo is the TOP rated CHAMP at 154 right now. SO who CARES how many other CHAMPS there are???? Floyd is SO GREAT that IF he faces the 3rd rated CHAMP as Broner DID vs Malignaggi the World would call it a FARCE….even at 36 yrs old…..but they didn’t call it a FARCE when Pacquiao faces #0 P4P NON CHAMP in Brandon Rios, Margarito, Clottey, or Mosley. They didn’t call it a FARCE when Bradley faced #0 P4P NON CHAMP Provodnikov. ..because these guys aren’t the GOAT like Floyd therefore they are not held to his HIGH standards.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:13 pm 


Right PEEJ… That was highway robbery.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:12 pm 


Hecdog… I told you you were an idiot for betting on Guerrero to beat up Floyd and knock him out.. I said betting on Floyd was an easy money bet, but you insisted you were right and that time would tell.

Now I’m telling you another truth… The Duran who got whipped by Benitez, Laing, and sims would have been whipped by Canelo… So would the China-Chinned Norris who got KO’d by Brown, Jackson, and Mullen.

Unfortunately it can’t be proven but if you knew how to judge skills you could easily see it.. Unfortunately you know nothing about boxing or you wouldn’t make such a stupid pick like Guerrero over the GOAT.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:11 pm 


Leave out Monzon he wasn’t a Welter and Lopez? Add Don Curry, Loyd Honeyghan.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:08 pm 


Tark, saw the end of the fight with Chrisora and Scott and you are correct. There should be an immediate rematch. That was terrible by the ref.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:07 pm 


Boxtra…. Everyone knows you and your alter ego and one and the same deluded chump… Same guy who picked Oosthuiszen to beat Gonzales, which was a WRONG PICK … and who bragged about picking GGG to beat Mackin the same night…

999 out of 1000 fans picked GGG to KO Mac in 5, but you were the only one who thought it was a stroke of genius.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:03 pm 


Tark, you may have really lost your mind by thinking Canelo is anywhere near the level of Duran or Terry Norris as Junior Middleweights. Duran was way too smart. Even a 30 plus yr old Duran would have beaten up a Canelo in the same fashion as he did against Davey Moore. Norris vs Canelo would be a more evenly matched, but in his prime, Terry could punch. Canelo hasn’t done anything yet. Beating trout doesn’t say much. Canelo has looked good vs low level caliber fighters that are older and smaller, but tothink he’s anywhere near great is ridiculous. He has his chance vs Mayweather, let’s see what he can do. He can look in the gym, good in his lower caliber fights and good on the mitts, but what can he do against a solid fighter. We’re going to find out on September 14th. For now, please keep Canelo i just an ordinary fighter that shouldn’t be compared to anyone. Let’s wait and see if he’s another flsh in the pan or something much better.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:00 pm 


TARK do you think that Floyd could beat All of those guys at welterweight that HECDOG mentioned?

Posted July 22, 2013 7:58 pm 


Erectaswallow- Comparing titles won PBF v titles won by past ATGs is simply delusional. Todays boxing landscape has 3-5 “legit” (ha) champions per weight class. Keep in mind that there were 8 weight classes (one champ) and now there are about 30. Henry Armstrong held 3 titles in diff weight classes at the SAME time while fighting the best and fighting often.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:57 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO and I are not the SAME posters! We are just two of the GREATEST minds on this site WHEREAS the impostors are POSERS Who can only WISH be as great as us!!! WE see the FACTS and KNOW the TRUTH. We have SUBLIME knowledge as well as uncanny skills to PREDICT fights correctly whether you choose to ignore it or not!! Fact REMAINS is that Floyd Mayweather is the GREATEST fighter of ALL TIME and I am the GREATEST fight PROPHET ever born!!! Nothing CAN ever CHANGE that!!

Posted July 22, 2013 7:55 pm 


Haimat…., You’re absolutely dead WRONG… There are many MORE boxers worldwide today…and they’re much better than EVER!!! Boxing is an international sport not an American Sport… Terry Norris got his clock cleaned so many times it isn’t even funny how many times Terrible Terry been knocked out.. Duran was fat-assed and lazy after the 1st Leonard fight — which is the only fight I count above 135.. All of Duran’s fights after that were crap where he gave 20% effort. He was fat and rich — milking it…Beginning with the “NO MAS” fight.

Canelo gives 100% every time out, doesn’t get hit as much as Duran or Norris … and is a much bigger, stronger man than Duran as well.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:40 pm 


I’d give it to all of those(except Guerrero) over Marquez too.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:30 pm 


Hecdog…. Everybody knows you’re a professional Floyd hater.

NOTHING you say about Floyd is taken seriously by anybody… Not even Pacquiao would take you seriously because he’s already said Floyd deserves to be ranked ahead of him and deserves more money.

Pacquiao said this BEFORE he was crushed by masterful Marquez … who Floyd easily boxed to trash BTW.

Who else in Boxing history ever boxed the ears of an ATG boxer the caliber of Marquez??? I mean Tarver whipped on Roy Jones a few times, but he never whipped him on points to that extent.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:25 pm 


At Welter he couldn’t hurt any of those guys and they would know it.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:19 pm 


Let’s not insult the best fighters in boxing history (Leonard, Hearns, Duran Robinson, Pacquiao, Lopez, Monzon, Whitaker and others in boxing history by even mentioning Floyd Mayweather in the same sentence. Duran would have destroyed Floyd as a ligh weight with his agressive punishing style and his feints would have had him off balance all night. Leonard would have dismantled him as a welterweight, Speed, power ans too smart for Floyd. Hearns would have stopped him at any weight. Too big, fast and powerful. Whitaker would have been him in all phases. Too elusive and ring smart. Benitez makes Floyd look foolish all night. These guys had that next gear and would have chewed Floyd up an spit him out. Look at Floyd’s resume, and you will see it for yourself. Forget the unbeaten record, look at the quality of skilled and in their prime fighters he took on. Imagine Leonard, Hearns, Duran wobbling Floyd like an old Mosely did. Forget it. They would have ended him easily. If you saw those greats fight in their prime. You would be laughing at Floyd’s chances of beating any of them. Trinidad would have eventually stopped Floyd also. In his prime, he was ferocious and was on top of you. Floyd would have needed a bike. Floyd Mayweather is a very good fighter, but he’s not a great fighter trust me. And if Floyd would have actually fought with Guerrero, we all know what would have happened. Mayweather is a great athlete and a good boxer. He’s far from great.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:11 pm 


Leonard was a good boxer and could punch at WW and that’s something that Floyd has trouble with. Floyd also never had to face a puncher like Hearns who was ahead on points when he was stopped in the 14th, somewhere Floyd has never been. Tito was pretty dominant at WW when he was in his prime and past his prime when he moved up in weight. Leonard beat a pretty fair boxer in Benitez, probably better than any that Floyd has faced.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:10 pm 


TARK, I just watched JMM give his 2 cents on GGG on Golpe a golpe. Marquez talked about the lack of upper-body movement and wasn’t too impressed. He saw Ward outboxing GGG. I would agree with his views :)

“Canelo is a smarter and better boxer-puncher than anybody Ray Leonard or Ray Robinson ever faced” that’s just ridiculous. Canelo is still learning. He’s got a long way to go before he’s at Duran’s level or Terry Norris level and the list goes on and on. That was a different era when the best athletes became boxers. Today, the sport is a fraction of what it once was as far as the sheer number of kids doing it. Common sense will tell you if you find better talent in a huge selection or a small selection.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:02 pm 


Titopa…, “I’d pick Tito to DESTROY GGG” ..LMFAO you’re so predictable.

Winky Wright got hit with everything Paul Williams threw but Winky beat the crap out of Trinidad… Williams gets smashed OUT COLD by Martinez… Guys who gave Martinez fits couldn’t even land a good punch on GGG.

Analysis… Trinidad: super easy to punch right in the face … GGG: very difficult to hit with anything—even though he comes straight at you.

Result??? First round KO for GGG with Trinidad landing on his face and staying there for 15 minutes.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:01 pm 


At least Floyd fought some fairly good boxers.. Judah wasn’t bad.. Oscar wasn’t too bad.. Corley was fair.. Corrales was 33-0 and wasn’t a horrible boxer.. Hatton was 43-0 and wasn’t a worse boxer then Gene Fullmer, Jake LaMotta, or Carmen Basillio..

If Floyd beats Canelo Alvarez that would be something.. Canelo is a smarter and better boxer-puncher than anybody Ray Leonard or Ray Robinson ever faced.. Canelo is more difficult to hit with a clean shot than Duran, and that’s a fact.. Duran was fat, pokey, and lazy vs Benitz, Hagler, Hearns, Kirland Laing, Sims, etc.

People forget about a lot of rotten fights a lot of these old timers had.

Posted July 22, 2013 6:51 pm 


CORRECTION….Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard could NOT DO it. WOW!!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 6:36 pm 


I MAY have to copyright my names and then charge ESB for allowing people to post under my name so that I can make money like Kobe and Colin DO when they sell their jerseys.

Posted July 22, 2013 6:35 pm 


Boxtra… “Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard could DO it. WOW!!!!!”

I never saw those guys beat a masterful boxer… Robinson never faced one. Hearns wasn’t masterful the way he took full flush face shots and got knocked kicking.. Same with Duran.. I guess Terry Norris was half masterful.. At least Norris’s offense was when he beat up a 34-year-old Leonard. Made Ray Leonard look like a 4-round fighter.

Posted July 22, 2013 6:35 pm 


Yup. But ignoring the TRUTH is irrelevant. The TRUTH remains whether you ignore it or not…..I am the Kobe Bryant and Colin Kaepernick of ESB posters. People wear MY name on their posts like they wear Kobe Bryant and Colin Kaepernick’s jersey’s on their BACKS…..Again I am FLATTERED and TRULY humbled by my BOOMING popularity.

Posted July 22, 2013 6:34 pm 


Hey FA man…. you know he’s always going to come back with that stuff. Just ignore him.

Posted July 22, 2013 6:25 pm 


CORRECTION….at 36 he’s facing an UNDEFEATED Top 10 P4P opponent…

Posted July 22, 2013 6:18 pm 


What people THINK about Mayweather cannot change the FACTS. The FACT is that his last 12 Fights blows ANYONE in the ENTIRE History of Boxing’s resume out of the WATER. IF you take 12 Fight window out of ANYONE’s resume and at least HALF of them are tomato cans. Floyd fought 10 CHAMPS and 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters in his last 12 Fights…..That’s AWESOME. IF you want to talk about the person go to HERE we talk about Boxing and NO ONE can match Floyd’s accomplishments in the Sport of Boxing… 36 yrs old he’s facing a Top 10 P4P opponent who outweighs him by 18 lbs going into training camp. While Calzaghe was facing MUCH beaten #0 P4P Roy Jones at 36. See the difference???? and while Pacquiao was getting knocked out at 34….and while Ray Robinson got SPANKED at 34…..and while Ray Leonard got SPANKED at 34 TOO. WOW!!!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 6:17 pm 


Fight Aficianado-THANK you for exposing your feeble brain once again!! Haimat PLEASE continue posting under my name SO that I can see who ELSE’s brain is too FEEBLE to recognize it. I THANK you again!!

Posted July 22, 2013 6:10 pm 


Floyd Mayweather stands TALL in comparison to other GREAT athletes. WINS vs. 10 CHAMPS in 12 straight Fights and 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters in 7 consecutive Fights may never be accomplished again. Manny couldn’t DO it. Kostya couldn’t DO it. Ricardo Lopez couldn’t DO it. Calzaghe couldn’t DO it. Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard could DO it. WOW!!!!! …

ONLY Floyd “the GOAT” Mayweather was able to accomplish this extraordinary feat. And ALL of the negative posts in the World won’t change it. All HAIL the GOAT!!

Posted July 22, 2013 6:07 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“I won’t say his legacy is the best of all-time in every sport.” – OK, but what about in boxing, the only sport that matters to this site? Also any discussion of his legacy that ignores his ducking of many top fighters in his own divisions from 140-147 is incomplete.

Posted July 22, 2013 5:59 pm 


A prime Tito vs. Floyd at WW would be more reasonable of a fantasy fight. As would Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Don Curry, Et Al.

Posted July 22, 2013 5:54 pm 


Hecdog the Mayweather hater…

He thought Robert Guerrero was going to beat up Mayweather and stop him…and greedily put his money on RG.


Posted July 22, 2013 5:38 pm 


NOBODY is fantasizing about a GGG-Trinidad fight except VW… Nobody is sitting around with their buddies kicking this fight around—except someone who wants to compare Grennady Golovkin unfavorably to Bernard Hopkins—by suggesting it would be a tough fight. It was so easy for B-Hop.

Fights that people fantasize about include, Wladimir vs Lewis… Wladimir vs Vitali… Tyson vs Ali… Holmes vs Foreman… Dempsey vs Louis… Mayweather vs Leonard… Monzon vs Robinson… and Mayweather vs Pacquiao … They don’t fantasize a whole lot about Trinidad vs anybody.

A lot of so-called experts and an ignorant public made Trinidad a 2-1 favorite over Bernard Hopkins.. Even thought Tito should have been a 10-1 underdog.. Tito wouldn’t have a 5% chance of beating GGG… You can’t take a poll and find out who would win because public sentiment is so often dead wrong.

Posted July 22, 2013 5:33 pm 

spartacus 65

Osy well said my friend. Vivek certainly said it without being direct. But make no mistake, he definitely put the manny on peds baseless theory out there. Very irresponsible.

Posted July 22, 2013 5:28 pm 

spartacus 65

Tj,how’s it going. Read your post about the eighties fighters. Damn well said my friend! Heavy hitters who id NOT PLAY. High class assassins is what I used to call them. If they lost,rest assured their losses looked better than most guys wins. Why? Because the true elites fought each other. Someone just by logic HAD to lose. In the long run there were no losers because their legacies WERE DEFINED BY THEIR FIGHTS WITH OTHER ELITES IN THEIR PRIME. Peace and strength .Those were the days Tj.

Posted July 22, 2013 5:22 pm 


Right TJ and they don’t pay ours either.

Posted July 22, 2013 4:32 pm 



Posted July 22, 2013 4:14 pm 


Tito would not even LAY a glove on Mayweather. Let’s please not confuse the COKED out way way way PAST PRIME Whitaker versus Trinidad please get a clue and come BACK when you Can hold an intelligent conversation with the GREATEST!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 4:12 pm 


Mayweather’s legacy is as the GOAT. That’s short and to the POINT. NO ONE can come close to matching beating 10 CHAMPS in 12 straight Fights. Also NO ONE can come close to matching beating 5 Top 10 P4P opponents in a 7 Fight span. WOW!!!! Floyd is the GOAT.

Posted July 22, 2013 4:10 pm 


Haimat is our number ONE fan. In FACT he SUCH a FAN that he imagines being ME like little kids used to imagine that they were Michael Jordan…..The posts below are Haimat gargling my nutsack by posting under my name instead of his own….And I’m FLATTERED by that.

Posted July 22, 2013 4:02 pm 


Still pushing the ‘Pacquiao on PEDs’ Vivek? I applaud your consistency, if nothing else.

The reality is Pacquiao is still a massive star, despite having a less than stellar recent history, there are no fights bigger for Mayweather after he beats Alvarez. I can’t see showtime being keen on letting him fight the likes of Ortiz when trying to recoup their sizeable investment. Floyd will still slap Pacquiao about, but the very fact he is still taking shots at him highlights just how relevant he reamains.
A Marquez rematch is also reasonably attractive, given his continued standing in the sport, the fact he can now fight above 140lbs without looking like a fat child, and that he finally managed to beat Pacquiao.
By that time Mathysse or Garcia (my money is on Mathysse) should have established their dominance at 140 and be ready to move up and fight Mayweather at 147.

Posted July 22, 2013 3:24 pm 


Mayweather would clown Tito? Tito puente maybe Tito knows how to fight good defensive fighters I mean he beat pernell, he got smashed by winky but that’s caus he took him lightly.

Posted July 22, 2013 3:21 pm 


I’d pick Tito to DESTROY GGG, yes…DESTROY! He had dynamite in BOTH hands and an uncanny ability to land thunderous punches in exchanges…he would just be too sharp and powerful for the GGG of today to handle, a prime Tito was a MONSTER…if you were known for power, he’d not only match it, but shatter it with his own. I’d say Tito stops GGG in 4 rounds or less, ask Yuri Boy.

Posted July 22, 2013 2:29 pm 


Boxtradamus/Correctamundo or whatever he calls himself and Vivek are a perfect match. Both fascinated by Floyd in a manner that’s a bit too much to be healthy. At least Boxtradamus don’t have the opportunity to write questions to himself. He uses different aliases in stead.

Posted July 22, 2013 1:52 pm 


Mayweather would CLOWN Trinidad and making him look like a newborn COLT which was the stance he often fought IN anyway. The Oscar fight is closer but Mayweather is the GOAT!!

Posted July 22, 2013 1:49 pm 


THANK you. I am the GREATEST but you are the most CORRECT on this site by a MILE!!! At least somebody on the site appreciates TRUE GREATNESS that we possess!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 1:46 pm 


Boxtra is the GOAT!! Nobody here can honestly dispute that because it’s CORRECT!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 1:43 pm 


GGG Would be Trinidad by KO. I am the GREAAATEEESSSSTT fight prophet EVVVERRRRR born!!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 1:41 pm 


Here is “Little Floyd’s” Legacy:

He ran like a little girl from Manny Pacquiao, because he didn’t have the stones to face him.

Posted July 22, 2013 1:18 pm 


spartacus 65
Ameriacan picker, Me and Tyrone Jones good afternoon gentlemen. Well said in regards to Mayweather fighting these guys on the downslide. While I give Floyd due credit for keeping his body in pristine condition, a valid point by Mr. Vivek,that still does not qualify him as going dowm as an all time great when his resume is a bit thin with quality PRIME opposition. All tje other boxing greats foight as you fellas stayed very correctly,win,lose or draw, THE BEST OF THEIR TIME IN THEIR PRIMES. If the abused their bodies at some point, shame on them. However their body of work more than overshadows their occassinal lack of pristine conditioning.

Most of these great fighters – I’ve followed from the 80’s onwards and got hundreds of VHS and DVDs of teh earlier periods… turned up in tip-top fashiion, including most of the Heavies, before that slack period in the mid-late 80’s where we had guys like James Broad, Tony Tubbs, Greg Page (RIP) who didn’t care about turning up looking like FAT ALBERT!!!!

I personally think these dudes trained harder and were much tougher and they fought farr more often and IMHO had a far greater talent pool from which to fight than today’s modern softies….

I can only count a very few of today’s fighters who would have hung with the talent pool we had in the first half of the 1980’s!

Posted July 22, 2013 1:03 pm 


Well Arguello became mayor of Managua but later committed suicide, last I heard about Chacon was that he was living in a garage and a bit punch drunk, Navarrete gets hand outs from his buddy Pacman. I don’t know about Limon, I think he’s doing ok.

Thanks for the update on these fighting greats of yesteryear, which proves my point… Once these dudes have served their purpose (of entertaining our bloodlust), they don’t register on our radars anymore and we couldn’t care less about them.

That’s why I say they don’t owe us anything….. We don’t pay their bills or their medicare!!!!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 12:57 pm 


Pac is in the losing end against Floyd no matter what. Pac has issues against boxers and Floyd is the best boxer he’ll ever encounter. Pac is obviously hungry for money or he wouldn’t be fighting outside the US to save on taxes, but his choices of opponents are much more limited than Floyd’s.

Depending on how Floyd’s fight goes against Canelo, he can chose a rematch if the fight is close. If Ortiz fights in the same Canelo-Floyd card and wins big, Floyd can go for the rematch. If Rios beats Pac or even if the fight is pretty even, Floyd can chose to fight Rios just to prove a point that he can easily beat Pac’s opponents. If Marquez beats Bradley, Floyd can chose to fight Marquez or the other way around if Bradley beats Marquez.

Of course, Pac could chose the winner of Bradley-Marquez, but either fighter can get a bigger purse against Floyd and it’s mostly all about money. I think Bob Arum decided to play chest against Floyd and so far he’s on the loose end.

Posted July 22, 2013 12:37 pm 


The wonderful Justin Bieber visited Ann Frank’s hideout in Amsterdam where the Nazi’s got her and she wound up dying in a concentration camp. He says she probably would have been a big fan of his.

Posted July 22, 2013 11:51 am 


Some of Pacquiao’s wins could have gone either way depending how you viewed the fight however, to suggest that any of his wins against JMM were wrong is being subjective because the fact is, neither truly lost, neither truly won. If you need a model to compare between controversy and no controversy, one only need to see Pac/bradley fight. That fight without a doubt was won by Pacquaio, everybody and their mother knows that yet , the results of pacs fights with jmm do not rise to the level of controversy the pac/bradley fight produced. In fact, the level of controversy doe not even rise to the level controversy produced once again in bradley’s last fight, which HE also knows he lost. So, that said, Pac does not have a loss to Bradley much less to jmm. His last fight, well, sometimes the best fighters can be KO’d with lucky punches, just ask Paul Williams. And the best part about Pacs last fight was…….He Was Not Losing and Was Not Getting Beat Up. So, talk all the smack you can handle, Pac is for all intents and purposes, a proven comodity. While a fight with floyd “may” seem somewhat appealing, I really could care less if they did fight. If they do fight, hopefully Pac will not allow floyd to control 100% of anything. The fight has much to do with one fighter as it does the other. Neither would be doing the other any favors and if it does not come off Floyd will be known as the best fighter who never realized his potential. So much for thinking you’re great.

Posted July 22, 2013 11:51 am 

spartacus 65

Ameriacan picker, Me and Tyrone Jones good afternoon gentlemen. Well said in regards to Mayweather fighting these guys on the downslide. While I give Floyd due credit for keeping his body in pristine condition, a valid point by Mr. Vivek,that still does not qualify him as going dowm as an all time great when his resume is a bit thin with quality PRIME opposition. All tje other boxing greats foight as you fellas stayed very correctly,win,lose or draw, THE BEST OF THEIR TIME IN THEIR PRIMES. If the abused their bodies at some point, shame on them. However their body of work more than overshadows their occassinal lack of pristine conditioning.

Posted July 22, 2013 11:49 am 


Gee… hard to believe.

Posted July 22, 2013 11:48 am 


Bros of a featha failin togetha–Curtis “50 Cent” Jackson was just arrested for domestic violence and vandalism.

Posted July 22, 2013 11:41 am 

Tyrone Jones

Yeah a sure sign that a society is doomed to devolution is when the likes of Bob Seager and Pernell Whitaker are substituted with Justin Bieber and Money Maypicker.

Posted July 22, 2013 11:34 am 

Gussy Finknottle

Tito would be too small for GGG, he’d be KO’d. That’s why I don’t get why Hopkins talks about beating little guys like like Oscar and Tito as ‘career defining fights’…they were too small for him!

Posted July 22, 2013 11:20 am 

American strippers

Aint Floyd always throwing money and booze all over husky hoes with his boosin bros Justin Beiber and Adrian Broner? Didnt he just do 60 days in the hole over a drunkin rampage involving scratching security guards, shooting up cars, and smacking baby mommas? Didnt Broner just get arrested for biting and Bieber arrested for drugs. Ought a call’em the blunt brothers.

Posted July 22, 2013 11:11 am 

American Picker

Aint Floyd’s pickins full of dudes coming off major beat downs? Perhaps his great win was Diego Corrales who although undefeated was awaiting long term prison sentence for domestic battery. Ricky Hatton had just fought horribly against Colazo and Urango. Genero Hernandez had been previously stomped by ODH. The list goes on and on and on. Canelo looked like shat against Trout. Heck, Manny should finally be prime pickins for Money May.

Posted July 22, 2013 10:55 am 


I think both Tito and Oscar in the prime beat floyd about mid fight, remember those 2 fought anyone and everyone. I mean c’mon b-hop,Roy jones, Vargas,Mosley,hector, Chavez sr,eachother,pernell,they fought everyone

Posted July 22, 2013 10:47 am 



Posted July 22, 2013 10:09 am 


I don’t really like the fantasy fight between Tito and GGG because MW was a little too big for Tito. Tito did his best work at 147/154 so I mostly consider Tito a Jr. MW, and I would put him in a fantasy match with Canelo or Lara.

Posted July 22, 2013 10:01 am 


Pac has problems fighting boxers, that’s why he chose Rios instead of Alvarado. Even if he makes it pass Rios, he’ll have his hands full against Floyd’s skills. He’ll lose bad.

If Floyd were to lose to Canelo, especially by decision…which I doubt…there’ll be some excuses to setup a rematch. Canelo may tried to do the same if he loses. Perhaps he’ll say that making 152 made him weak. That may also lead to a rematch, but Canelo doesn’t have the start power to press Floyd to accept.

If Ortiz fight in the same Canelo-Floyd card and wins, that may setup a rematch against Floyd…depending on how well he look. If Pac loses against Rios or even if he wins a closed decision, that may also lead to a matchup between Floyd and Rios just to prove how easy Floyd can handle Pac’s toughest opponents.

In other words, Floyd will be on the driver seat while Pac would have to consider taking a lot less money than Floyd if he wants to fight him. Bob Arum decided to play a chest match against Floyd and so far he’s on the losing end.

Posted July 22, 2013 10:01 am 


I’d say Tito might well have had Floyd too. Kinda early too say about GGG and Tito was best at WW and prime.

Posted July 22, 2013 9:59 am 


Tito would of k.od GGG within 5 rounds if you look at their styles, Floyd is one of the best of all time but not the best of all time, to be considerd the goat you gotta fight the absolute best opposition, Guerrero, Ortiz, not really qualified when pacman is still there and with his fighting once a year a couple of fighters over the years disappeared that could of fought Floyd and I know everyone sais money would of beat them…. Yea but he didn’t fight them, pacman, margarito,Paul Williams, cotto in his prime,Sergio Martinez all fights that could of happen and let me remind Floyd can have Sylvester Stallone in that ring if he wanted! Lol

Posted July 22, 2013 9:46 am 


Well Arguello became mayor of Managua but later committed suicide, last I heard about Chacon was that he was living in a garage and a bit punch drunk, Navarrete gets hand outs from his buddy Pacman. I don’t know about Limon, I think he’s doing ok.

Posted July 22, 2013 9:32 am 



You’re absolutely right…. BOZA-EDWARDS laced them up with the likes of ROLANDO NAVARETTE, RAFAEL BAZOOKA LIMON, and even the great ALEXIS ARGUELLO in a period where whenever any combiantion of these guys,BOZA-EDWARDS, CHACON, BAZOOKA or NAVARETTE matched up, these fightes became Fight of the Year winners…

No wondr he was called MR EXCITEMENT….

After all those wars, he’s still as sharp as a button, a very humble man and still in great shape, all because he looked after and respected his body.

We’ve had many conversations about his close buddies in the sport who have not been so fortunate and it’s due to alot of conversations with him re the welfare of boxers he either roomed with, fought or are friends that have fallen on hard times has encouraged me to speak out on all the naysayers here and hope we remember that after all is said and done and these guys retire, WE move onto the nect big thing and do nothing to support these guys who have literally dripped blood, sweat and tears and their very health to please us!!!!

Posted July 22, 2013 9:07 am 


That had to be the best few years when for the JL division when Boza-Edwards and his rivals: Bobby Chacon, Bazooka Limon and Rolando Navarette we’re going at it. Very exciting free tv title bouts at 15 rounds. Also Floyd is not the GOAT, no way, not even close.

Posted July 22, 2013 8:54 am 



I’m not surprised re Floyd treating his body like a temple…. Not only the Mayweather family dynasty, but with a guy like Cornelius Boza-Edwards (former exciting Super Featherweight Champion) running the gym day-to-day, he has a wealth of former world champion experience and “old school,” experience to call on…

I remember chatting many time with CBE and one of the things we debated was why boxers let themselves get out of shape between bouts as it only increases the amount of time to get back into shape and decreases the time that could be spent on ringcraft and tactics!

Also, you can only drain the body and go to the well only so many times before your body breaks down on you… In between bouts it should be rested, but maintained like a finely tuned Rolls Royce or racing car and must be respected, whether you box 4, 5 or only once per annum.

Boxing is so much about what you do with your body between bouts as it is preparing for your next bout…. I would also say the same is even more appropriate for the mind.

Keep it sharp, active and alert to new experiences and fed with the proper nutrients and stimuli and the battle is half won.

Posted July 22, 2013 7:22 am 


You lost it for me when you made that unfortunate quote…”there was an Olympic Bronze that would have been a Gold”…..keep shining those shoes Viv….THE RABBIT GOT ROBBED

Posted July 22, 2013 6:26 am 


BAAAARRRR like that kind of GOAT, you twisted young sod ……..

Posted July 22, 2013 6:14 am 


Mayweather is the GOAT.

Posted July 22, 2013 5:29 am 

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