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And was losing on points all the way on ALL cards… Since the cuts were raked open with illegal blows, the fight goes to the cards… Easy won on all cards for Vitali.

Posted June 11, 2013 1:23 pm 


I’m proud of you Ernie …

Posted June 9, 2013 12:18 pm 


Oh ! just saw, that even Ernie admits it…

Posted June 9, 2013 12:11 pm 

Fish Eyes

Which one was it, K Tard? So far we have heard you call the cut to be caused by “a headbutt, (even Vitali claimed that at first), then it was caused by a “wrist rake”, then a “lucky glancing blow” now all of a sudden it was caused by an “illegal blow struck with an open glove” Make you’re mind up ffs.. You are all over the place..

Posted June 9, 2013 11:53 am 

Fish Eyes

“WAS beating” means “ZERO” half way through a fight when you FAIL to continue after 6 round..

Posted June 9, 2013 11:42 am 

K-2- Fan

Thre are NO ; ” ifs ” , “buts ” or ” maybes ” , about it . Vitaly WAS HAMMERING Lenny ! Vitaly WAS ahead on ALL cards , Vitaly WAS winning the fight ! Also Vitaly’s cut WAS caused NOT by a punch , it was caused by an open
glove scrape , while his head was HELD . Totally ILLEGAL ! As far as you girls
complaining about a ” time warp ” , or some kind of ” statute of limitations ”
regarding this fight , there isn’t any , it’s all immortalized on You Tube , forever ! Vitaly WAS beating Lenny , Lenny , DID
chicken out of a rematch , and Vitaly DID retire Lenny , PERMANENTLY ! No
hysterical lamenting , infantile excuses , or desperate attempts to change the facts , have ANY bearing on history !

Posted June 9, 2013 11:30 am 

Fish Eyes

TARK .. “Even George Foreman said, “The referee has to stop this
holding and hitting by Lewis.” You will hear that if you listen to the
telecast.” Foreman said that when Lewis was hitting Vitali to the body,
not the head.. After Foreman said it Merchant replied “One hand is open and you are allowed to do that George.” and Lampley described it as “good professional work by Lewis against the ribcage.” ..Both fighters had there hands around each others head in that exchange and Vitali hit Lewis with an uppercut while he was holding the back of Lewis’s head anyway, at exactly 2:00 in the round (round 5), but you failed to mention that little detail. Vitali also held the back of Lewis’s head and hit him with the uppercut at the start of round 4, shortly before tying to kick Lewis in the head when they both fell over, but you
failed to mention that too for some reason…. Also the punch that
caused the cut was not an “open palm swipe”.. I just watch the slow
motion replay about a dozen times. The open palm did not hit Vitali at
all, you just made that up… Same as you made all that crap up about
Calzaghe “avoiding Froch to fight Manfredo.”

Posted June 9, 2013 11:26 am 


Perhaps the wife AND the mother. But Lennox is not that kind of man, who would avoid a fight because of a woman. There is a quote from a book written by Emanuel Steward : “Lennox told me that Vitali hurt him in that fight pretty bad and that he didn’t want to have to face him again. He chose to retire.”
In 2008, when they talked about Lennox’s comeback, Manny said, a rematch would break all records, it would be even a bigger thing than Lewis vs Tyson, the whole world wants to see it ! 180 -200 million dollars…
Fact is : Vitali was fouled by Lennox. And a victory via cut is no victory.
( My english sucks, don’t blame me, I’m just french. )

Posted June 9, 2013 10:15 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Wasn’t it Lennox’s wife who did not want him to ever box again, giving him an ultimatum to choose it’s either her or boxing?” That could be, Angelina. But from what I’ve read, I think it was Lewis’ mommy who convinced him not to fight VK again. Even she could see that her son couldn’t beat VK, and she just couldn’t bear the thought of him being retired via brutal KO — at the hands of a white man, no less.

Posted June 8, 2013 7:39 pm 


One small cut was started with a swiping right with an open palm at the start of round 3… That cut was ripped wide open, and 2 more massive cuts were inflicted with the palm and heel of Lewis’s right glove while Vitali as in a headlock… Lou Moret allowed Lewis to foul with impunity…

Even George Foreman said, “The referee has to stop this holding and hitting by Lewis.” You will hear that if you listen to the telecast.

Posted June 8, 2013 7:13 pm 

Fish Eyes

Cut was caused by a right hand at the start of round 3.. The rest is TARK talking crap about going to hell.. lol

Posted June 8, 2013 7:06 pm 


@Mongrel and Steve…. The eyelid cut started from a illegal punch which was a grazing swiping overhand right with an open palm.. You can easily get away with that. In the order of fouls it’s not so bad.. Clinching is a foul, but its part of the game like deliberate fouls in basketball.. Clinching is allowed.. Excessive holding is often called because it’s not boxing, it’s wrestling..

The first cut was started with the swipe. It was ripped open, along with 2 other massive cuts, with egregious fouls.. Holding and hitting and striking with the palm and heel of the glove—are very different from ducking below the waist, clinching, and hitting with an open glove.

Posted June 8, 2013 7:04 pm 


Wasn’t it Lennox’s wife who did not want him to ever box again, giving him an ultimatum to choose it’s either her or boxing ? Women are the problem…lol

Posted June 8, 2013 6:45 pm 


Who is going to gain the whole world??? Not even Warren Buffett has a shot… De La Hoya could conceivably become a Boxing billionaire.

The quote from Jesus…, “What would it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?”

@Mongrel and Steve…. The eyelid cut started from a illegal punch which was a grazing swiping overhand right with an open palm.. You can easily get away with that. In the order of fouls it’s not so bad.. Clinching is a foul, but its part of the game like deliberate fouls in basketball.. Clinching is allowed.. Excessive holding is often called because it’s not boxing, it’s wrestling.. The cut was ripped open with egregious fouls.. Holding and hitting and striking with the palm and heel of the glove—are very different from ducking below the waist, clinching, and hitting with an open glove.

Posted June 8, 2013 6:40 pm 


The quote from Jesus is “What would it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?”

Who is going to gain the whole world? Not even Warren Buffett has a shot… De La Hoya could conceivably become a Boxing billionaire.

Mongrel and Steve…. The eyelid cut started from a illegal punch which was a grazing swiping overhand right with an open palm.. You can easily get away with that. In the order of fouls it’s not so bad.. Clinching is a foul, but its part of the game like deliberate fouls in basketball.. Clinching is allowed.. Excessive holding is often called because it’s not boxing, it’s wrestling.. The cut was ripped open with egregious fouls.. Holding and hitting and striking with the palm and heel of the glove—are very different from ducking below the waist, clinching, and hitting with an open glove.

Posted June 8, 2013 6:39 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Amazing how some idiots think they know what all the facts were when the decisions were made. A bunch of broke-ass fools (Lyin Queen, Tard, etc) who think they are on the inside and sit around with foil helmets on speculating on crap they know nothing of…

Posted June 8, 2013 6:29 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Shut your loose, flatulent hole, Wizard’s Sleeve! I’ve watched the slow-mo hundreds of times and know that the cut was NOT caused by a clean shot. LL promised a rematch, then ducked like a coward after the WBC made Vitali his mandatory and threatened to strip his title. He had NEVER spoken about retirement before he got outboxed by VK.

Posted June 8, 2013 6:07 pm 

Wizards Sleeve

LionKIng – watch the video you mug. He gets cut by a punch at the start of round 3. There are slomotion gifs showing it. It doesn`t matter when the fight is stopped if it is caused by a punch. Which it was, no matter how much you useless lying little girls wish it wasn`t

Posted June 8, 2013 5:59 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

That’s right! if they were only using instant replay/review, the officials would’ve seen that the cut that stopped the fight was caused by LL’s illegal raking (“lacing”) with the heel, palm and edge of his glove. Then it would’ve automatically went to the cards and Vitali would’ve EASILY WON by a score of 58-56 or 58-55 — as I would’ve scored it.

(Interesting Note: I’ve heard from extremely knowledgeable boxing pundits that if it would’ve been stopped after the 7th or later, it would’ve went to the cards no matter what, per the rules of that particular sanctioning body. This really makes you wonder why they couldn’t let it go for one more round. I’ve never fact-checked this statement, so I’ll leave that up to you.)

Posted June 8, 2013 5:06 pm 


Watch the end of the 6th round again. Vitali spends a good part of the last half minute just trying to hold Lewis while Lewis just wants to make room to punch.

That is why Lewis was tired at the end of round 6 – he was the one who had just been fighting, VItali had just been surviving since the uppercut.

Posted June 8, 2013 4:51 pm 


I don`t believe in heaven or hell, they are really really silly stories.

Irrespective, there isn`t a totally clean line of cheating in pro boxing, there are a variety of shades of grey that fall in the refs interpretation.

YOu aren`t supposed to clinch, you are supposed to fight your way out of it. HOw often are people warned for it?
If the ref does nothing about it, then you might be a bit naughty inside, or loose with your elbows to stop it happening. A big man leaning all over a small man isn`t really boxing, but it is advantageous and we accept it happens. You aren`t supposed to push, but guys doe it – some blatantly with the arms like Khan, and some sneakily with their shoulders.
People aren`t supposed to duck below the waist yet some of the juiciest counter left hooks come from guys who have done just that.

This isn`t amateur boxing, it is pro, and in professional anything – boxing, law, accounting, football, whatever the job, the expectation is to doing whatever you will legally get away with to achieve the optimum result, and prepare as though your opposition will do the same.

Posted June 8, 2013 4:49 pm 


Afolabi !

Posted June 8, 2013 4:34 pm 


Mongrel says…., “Lewis did do some sneaky work in there on the cuts, as you should in the professional game.”

BS…., It’s morally wrong to cheat. If you cheated, you didn’t win, even if it’s in the record books.. If you fooled every person on planet Earth, you still didn’t win. And you conscience won’t let you go because it’s between you and God. 99.9999999999999999% of our existence as humans or supernatural beings will be spent in Heaven or Hell.

I shouldn’t get so worked up about cheating, but I do. People who cheat are flirting with losing their soul to damnation. Winning a fight can be worth millions, so it’s a massive temptation. I understand that. But you could earn billions of dollars and lose your soul.

Posted June 8, 2013 1:49 pm 


The more you woman about Lewis the better he looks – tko6 even with peds and bribes vitali could not do the job.

Posted June 8, 2013 1:05 pm 

K-2- Fan

Calm down girls , don’t go babbling all at once . It must have really gotten
your panties twisted not to be able to make Lenny into a hero . It’ funny
how , when needed , Sredmond , can repeat ad nauseam how Lenny ” destroyed ” Vitaly’s face , and NONE of you girls seem to get tired of it .
However , as soon as anybody mentions How Lenny got HAMMERED by Vitaly ,
there is a general lament by all you daisies to stop living in the past and move on ! Calm down , have some tea , knit something , read Tark’s posts AGAIN and learn something !

Posted June 8, 2013 1:01 pm 


That loss proved to be SOOOOOOO Much more important than any win Vitali Klitschko booked his reputation for having good chin, showing he had some balls and actually sharing the ring with a fighter above B- class all happened that evening… But it effectively destroyed the upside of his career because it trapped his nonsensical fans in the land of “What If” for the remainder of his career… The scraps he threw them against faded relics like Briggs were never enough, the gaudy stats were never enough, the fact he has not lost since Lewis was never enough… Meanwhile Vitalis future quality only adds to Lewis legacy because an OLD version of Lewis that had been recently laid out by Rahman was still able to put the hurt in Vitali who proved to be a HOF fighter down the road while Lewis being his DADDY is an ATG… We applaud Klits donating his face to the service of Lewis sparkling legacy…

Posted June 8, 2013 9:58 am 


Lewis never fought a guy he was hitting at those angles. Vitali leans back from the waist and was taking pure right hands since Lewis couldn`t work his jab.

I think Lewis did do some sneaky work in there on the cuts, as you should in the professional game, but there were cuts all over his face, in his mouth, 60 stitches worth, and he didn`t do that illegally with the evidence being 5 fans watching in slomo and saying “ooooooh laces laces”.

Posted June 8, 2013 5:34 am 


Even Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.

Posted June 8, 2013 3:36 am 


You’re face is up Lewis’s rear end Ernie Enema Snoot..

Mongrel… The only problem with Vitali’s face was it was slashed with a hard sharp edge across the left cheek, and across the left eyelid.. Causing three deep gashes which bleed profusely.. Then Joe Souza carelessly stripped a piece of flesh from Vitali’s eye as he roughly rubbed it.. Surgery put it back good as new and Vitali has never bled since. He’s is not a bleeder and that is the only time he had a problem. Lewis is not a cutting puncher either. Lewis hit another tall guy, Zel Mavrovic, with hundreds of punches for 12 rounds, and hardly made a mark on him. He never cut up anyone else like that … With Vitali he was cheating.

Posted June 8, 2013 3:09 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Interesting, usually Tark’s face is in Klit’s lap…

Posted June 8, 2013 1:47 am 


Look Vitali should have tried harder not to get his face turned to pate.

That was his fundamental mistake in that fight.

He should have been focusing between rounds thinking “Face. Pate. NO!”

He can wander around wailing like an overcooked perogi if he likes, but Larry Merchant had a large chunk of Vitali’s face land in his lap during the fight. He took it out back afterwards so they could sew it back on.

Posted June 8, 2013 1:20 am 

It’s Me, Ernie


Posted June 8, 2013 12:32 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Watch the fight and see how Vitali wasn’t looking to good either after a few of the rounds…

Posted June 8, 2013 12:32 am 


By contrast Lewis was LOSING the fight on the cards and lookmed utterly exhausted at the time of the stoppage, hence why a rematch was justifibly ordered you CLOWN

Posted June 7, 2013 11:38 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

What ACTUALLY HAPPENED was the cuff of Lewis’ right glove caught Klit’s eye and caused the cut. The sisters are the most boring heavyweights along with John Ruiz in history, but Vitali was fouled in that fight. I still like Lennox about four thousand times more that either Klit, but facts are facts. There is a Youtube clip which shows exactly what happened. Officially it was a stoppage on cuts for Lewis, and that’s the way it went down in history, like it or not…

Posted June 7, 2013 9:56 pm 


You’re blind man… Lewis hauled Vitali into a headlock and slashed several cuts open on Vitali’s face with the heel and palm of his right glove.. That cuff with the palm caught Vitali’s eyelid and cheek and ripped 3 deep cuts open.. go in slo mo and you’ll see it.. Later in the fight Lewis flagrantly and openly rubs the palm of his right glove in Vitali’s face, and is given a cursory warning by Lou Moret, who didn’t even call time.. Moret briefly held up his right palm to make it look as if he was doing some refereeing.. Lewis coldly ignored him and didn’t even look at him..

Kindly watch Lou Moret’s refereeing job in Berto-Guerrero… Over a hundred fouls were committed and not one foul call… Guerrero must have known there would be no calls because he fouled with complete impunity. He even threw 20 punches after the final bell as it was clanging away … ridiculous.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:23 pm 

Fish Eyes

You are the expert on this.. So show us…

Posted June 7, 2013 8:17 pm 

Fish Eyes

I have the fight on my hard drive TARK.. Where did all this happen?

Posted June 7, 2013 8:14 pm 

Fish Eyes

Let’s face it TARK … “Those were deep jagged cuts ripped open with the heel and palm of Lewis’s right glove, while Vitali was in a headlock.. Holding and hitting..”

More crap eh Tark? Lewis opened the cut with a clean right hand, then when both fighters tied each other up, Lewis landed a right hook to the EAR of Vitali.. This was at the start of round 3… I just watched the fight again.. Where does this all happen? Was it after Vitali tried to kick Lewis in the head?

Posted June 7, 2013 7:27 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Gonzo’s Vulture Fact(s) of the day.

5. Vultures have excellent senses of sight and smell to help them locate food, and they can find a dead animal from a mile or more away. Because of this, vultures often have large territories and will spend a lot of time soaring to locate their next meal.

6. It is a myth that vultures will circle dying animals waiting to feed. These birds are powerful fliers and will soar on thermals while they look for food, but when they locate a carcass, they will approach it quickly to begin feeding before other predators find it.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:24 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Yes Mongrel.. Wlad can wax lyrical about beavers with the best of them. Even the world’s leading expert on beavers Tony Gongamonga was impressed by Wlad’s knowledge of beaver.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:23 pm 


aka ?! Tard ?! Are you kidding me ?! Aren’t we over this ? You must be so blind !

Posted June 7, 2013 6:31 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

aka Angie(Tard), I really couldn’t care less about your opinions, move along please…

Posted June 7, 2013 6:17 pm 


Oh and Ernie, this “so much better” is questionable anyway. “Once upon a time,there were other great boxers”, yes.

Posted June 7, 2013 6:06 pm 


Let’s face it… Vitali retired Lewis’s ass and took his belt… Lewis’s mandatory was Vitali.. Lewis promised to fight him, and reneged on his promise.. He knew he was getting whipped on points in their fight and was up against it — because he had been training for a Heavyweight Championship Fight for 3 months — and Vitali, who was a substitute for the injured Kirk Johnson had 2 weeks to get ready for a Heavyweight Championship Fight.. A rematch would have given them equal time so Lewis retired after loudly bragging about what he’d do to Vitali in the rematch.

Posted June 7, 2013 5:58 pm 


Ernie exactly, “there have been so much…” THERE HAVE BEEN. Stop living in the past. In this era, the Klitschkos hold all hw belts.

Posted June 7, 2013 5:49 pm 


……”Since when did being 2 rounds in front on points at the end of round six make you the winner of a 12 round fight.”

When the cuts were ripped why open by the palm and heel of Lewis’s right glove while Vitali was in a headlock that’s when. Since those deep jagged cuts that Lewis never inflicted on another boxer in his life — and vitali never suffered before or since in his entire career, since he is not a bleeder — were NOT ripped open with legal blows, the fight goes to the scorecards.. Except when you have a corrupt referee like Lou Moret.

So that’s when you go to the scorecards after 6 rounds. VK W6 TD

Posted June 7, 2013 5:48 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

The great sean O’Grady asks:”Since when did being 2 rounds in front on points at the end of round six make you the winner of a 12 round world title fight?”

It’s just how some of these morons rationalize their take on that particular fight. They don’t realize there have been so much better boxers in the heavyweight division over the years, but since the sisters are the current clowns holding the “titles” and they really don’t know better, it’s what they run with. Boring at best, it’s all that’s out there now…

Posted June 7, 2013 5:32 pm 

K-2- Fan

NameLESS ; poor , twisted , pathetic , hateful , little Bastard !

Posted June 7, 2013 5:19 pm 

Sean O’Grady says…

@ Joke of ESB.. A rematch might have been ordered. But six months after the fight Watt lost to Alexis Arguello, (heard of him?) then retired from boxing anyway.

As for the Lewis “collapsing onto his stool.” comment.. Check out how Vitali slowly trudged back to his corner like a zombie at the end of the same round and did the same thing, after losing the round on all three judges scorecards, then losing the fight.. @ Joke of ESB…Since when did being 2 rounds in front on points at the end of round six make you the winner of a 12 round world title fight?

Posted June 7, 2013 3:52 pm 


@ Sean O’Grady, I didn’t see or hear about that fight but since you did can you answer this. Was Watt outlanded in every round by O Grady and did Watt look absolutely exhausted at the conclusion of the previous round by collapsing onto his stool. Was a rematch ordered or Watt would be stripped? If there was no rematch ordered then it why was that, in your opinion when a rematch was (justifiably) ordered by the WBC for a rematch between VK and LL?

Posted June 7, 2013 3:08 pm 


indeed it is. What a joke it is how boxing is run. Im sure many sportsmen would like to name and nominate who does their drug testing. In boxing that crap is allowed and k2 even have a confidentiality agreement prohiniting details of the contract being disclosed. Thats as dirty as it gets from the “gentlemen” of boxing.

Posted June 7, 2013 1:05 pm 


“secret German testing agency and a confidentiality agreement “… Just ridiculous.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:58 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

nameless, it is a crock alright, but the Kool-Aid drinkers keep drinking…

Posted June 7, 2013 12:49 pm 


k2 – just checked – YOU

Posted June 7, 2013 12:43 pm 


Isn’t today the WBA deadline ?? Can’t find news about the Povetkin fight….

Posted June 7, 2013 12:20 pm 

K-2- Fan

O.K. girls , check again who the moaners and the whiners are !

Posted June 7, 2013 12:03 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Please don’t state facts when it comes to the sisters, it just ruins the nuthuggers’ whole day…

Posted June 7, 2013 11:35 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Great post Sean…

Posted June 7, 2013 10:51 am 


Dam iPad + sun. T k o 6 !!!

Posted June 7, 2013 9:53 am 


Too in six

Posted June 7, 2013 9:52 am 

Fish Eyes

You jumped in like a fantard and started moaning about Lewis again. You always do..

Posted June 7, 2013 9:21 am 


Lewis NEVER ducked Vitali, he gave him a shot on short notice and Klits failed to make the most of it… Lewis did the right thing by making his own career decisions why would he factor in the desires of a then NOBODY and somewhat redeemed “Quitter”…. When he earned the right to move on… The fact that Klits later became a HOF level single beltholder is just another feather in a then faded Lewis cap…

Posted June 7, 2013 8:54 am 


Vitali was NOT that impressive face facts, he is given credit for the caliber of fighter he got his face caved in by and not much more… Being up 2 rounds with 6 to go is NOT an epic lead, it’s a slim lead especially when your opponent has you mortally wounded… Childish denials of the ACTUAL outcome and pondering the results of a rematch cannot compensate for the clear loss Klitschko has on his record… He’s NEVER gonna be seen as a guy who defeated Lennox Lewis, no interviewer in future years is gonna say ” hey remember when you booked that loss to Klitschko” it won’t happen because it’s inaccurate… If guys were comfortable with Vitalis resume they would say “hey he lost a tough battle with an ATG HW, but he beat these other guys” and this begins the issue the roster of boxers than Vitali defeated is WEAK and K2 fan and others KNOW this… Best guy on that list is Sam Peter and he don’t rate compared to Lennox Lewis… “leading by 2 rounds” Laughable

Posted June 7, 2013 8:51 am 

K-2- Fan

NO , Lenny did NOT BEAT Vitaly ! Saying it over and OVER again does NOT make it so ! NO ONE is denying that Lenny won , but , NO ONE who has seen
the fight , and has half a brain , can HONESTLY claim that Lenny BEAT
Vitaly ! Also saying that ; ” instead of discussing Wlad , who the article is about , you jumped right into Lewis ” , doesn’t make it right
either . If you could read , you would plainly see that ; I WAS discussing
Wlad , about WHOM the article was about , I merely mentioned Lenny as an
example of ducking a fight no matter what the stakes are . Regarding the really
lame excuse that in your stupidity you’re quoting ; about the ” money ain’t
right ” , which Lenny used , to avoid fighting Vitaly , only shows how
clueless you are , believing such crap . Finally , read your own posts , objectively , and then you will see WHO is doing the whining ! Yes , no
doubt , Vitaly ” lost ” that fight , but the real LOSER , to ALL but a few
wishful thinking dunderheads , is and ALWAYS will be , Lenny Lewis !

Posted June 7, 2013 8:33 am 


Mongrel, I admit that you’re right.

Posted June 7, 2013 3:10 am 

stupid loser

Ernie, I wonder the same thing.

FYI to all, Lewis won the fight. How it would/could have played out is only nothing more then a wet dream for some. But when you wake up, Klit lost.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:44 am 


The fact is that Lewis beat Vitali.

When asked about a rematch he said, and I quote “yeah sure, if the money is right”.

The money wasn`t right, so he didn`t.

All your whinging and whining like a little girl isn`t going to change the fact that VItali got a chance at Lewis and he lost.

We can call it a heroic loss. We can say Lewis victory was pyrhic.
You can argue that his achievements since put Vitali above Lewis.

But constantly raking over the actual fight where Lewis BEATS Vitali is just plain dumb. It is like watching a fly smacking it`s head against a window again and again/.

Posted June 6, 2013 11:49 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

It would be interesting to know when the nuthuggers are going to accept Vitali’s loss to the great Lennox Lewis. It’s been ten years that they have been crying themselves to sleep, maybe ten more?

Posted June 6, 2013 11:41 pm 

K-2- Fan

No matter how you try to rationalize Lewis ‘s ” retirement ” , no matter how many excuses you make about the ” worst shape of his life ” ( when he fought Vitaly ) , no matter how many praises you sing about ” winning all there is to win ” , no matter how impressed you are with how much money Lewis
made , the UNDISPUTABLE facts are ; Vitaly WAS BEATING him and he DID RENIG on the rematch ! I know you boys would LOVE to change it to read differently , as I’m sure would Lewis , but this is how it stands for ever !
Vitaly RETIRED Lewis , and all his millions in the bank can’t change that .

Posted June 6, 2013 11:34 pm 


Lewis did have options other than Vitali, he could still have fought Tyson for easy money, and there was the option of Roy Jones Jnr hanging around too.

Lewis already got stripped of the other belts he won when he unified vs Holyfield. I don`t think the threat of losing one more has THAT much power over him, other than him being able to retire with the belts, and he could easily have won one of the belts other than the WBC in his next fight. The WBC couldn`t strip the lineal title from him either.

To compare to a current situation – look at Sergio Martinez. The ageing p4p’er has basically just lost (minus the robbery) to a solid looking contender in Murray, after having outlcassed the big money fight – Chavez in his previous outing.
The talk is still of SM coming back to fight Chavez again, in a pointless fight, basically for the big money.
We don`t have half the world wailing away for Murray to get his rematch, people know Martinez has paid his dues and is looking for cashout fights. If Martinez does get ordered to defend vs Murray, but retires instead then how history views that decision will depend on what happens to Murray afterwards. If Murray gets KO’ed in 2 by Golovkin, Martinez looks okay, if Murray goes on to unify all the belts and dominate for 10 years, Martinez will look like he ran away from the next big thing.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:02 pm 

Fish Eyes

With countless millions in the bank..

Posted June 6, 2013 7:44 pm 


Klit fans have wanted Lewis name on Klits resume forever they have tried in vain to crowbar a win out of history that Vitali didn’t earn in the ring..They want each brother to equally share in the Glory when the truth is Vitali has spent almost no time being considered the Besr HW around , Wlads tops during this mournful era and Vitali is second..: Lewis was top Dog and in the minds of Klit fans if they can somehow sell Vitali as defeating Lennox it will make him a more accomplished boxer than he is… The mans a single beltholder PERIOD

Posted June 6, 2013 7:09 pm 

Fish Eyes

When Lewis retired he had nothing else to win.. He had won everything a boxer can win.. Lewis was the world amateur junior champion 30 years ago, then an Olympic gold medalist, with a 85-9 record. He turned pro and won the British, European, Commonwealth, then all those other world titles, Including Ring and undisputed, ect, with a win over every fighter he faced as a pro. Gosh.. Lennox must suck eh? Wow.. Name the excuse.. Lol..

Posted June 6, 2013 7:05 pm 

Frog Dike on a Bike

That’s Ms Fatchalini to you Ernie

Posted June 6, 2013 6:23 pm 

Fish Eyes

Vitali is a great fighter.. HOF bound along with his brother Wlad.. To say otherwise is just stupid.. I rate Lewis higher. But all three would give any heavyweight you can name major nightmares in the ring.

Posted June 6, 2013 6:02 pm 


THis is from an interview Lewis had with Thomas Hauser around his retirement time….he seems at peace with it to me….

That, of course, leads to the question of retirement. A year ago, after beating Mike Tyson, Lennox acknowledged, “There’s always someone to fight. That’s the drug of the sport.” Then he added, “What else is there for me to prove? That I can be Evander Holyfield and not know when to quit? Or prove that I’m stuck in the sport and won’t get out until I’m speaking so people don’t understand me?”

Now Lewis is even closer to calling it a day. He’s talking about that time in the future “when I see myself taking my children out, doing whatever my kids want me to do with them.” As for the role that boxing might play in his future, he says, “Having been in the business for so long, I think it’s time for me to share my knowledge with some of the young fighters coming up. Boxing needs people with good ethics and good knowledge to step up and help the fighters. I’m not sure how I’ll do that, but it’s something I want to do.”

Then Lennox raises his right hand to eye level, holding his index finger and thumb three inches apart, and declares, “I couldn’t retire without fighting Tyson because that argument had to end. After Tyson, I was this close to retiring, but I decided to give it one more year. Now . . .”

The heavyweight champion adjusts his index finger and thumb so there’s only a hair’s width between them.

“Now I’m this close.”

HBO will wave a lot of money in Lewis’s face to encourage him to fight again. That means the temptation will be there. But Lennox’s present plan is to retire. He knows that only two heavyweight champions (Rocky Marciano and Gene Tunney) retired with their titles in tact. All the others — Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, and Jack Johnson among them — left on a loss. Also, Lennox is a student of history. It’s not lost on him that Marciano and Tunney were both white.

Now is the time to go. Lennox seems to acknowledge as much when he says, “Someone will emerge after I’m gone. A new star will be born and the cycle will continue. All I ask is that you write the truth; about me, about boxing, about the world. The truth is fine. What I’ve accomplished will speak for itself.”

Lennox Lewis is a man of dignity and grace, who has been the best heavyweight in the world during his reign. Boxing will miss him more than it knows.

Posted June 6, 2013 5:59 pm 

Fish Eyes

Vitali and Lewis both get on well and highly respect each other, as they have both stated for years. The rest is just media hype and fans arguing about it..

Posted June 6, 2013 5:56 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry aka Angie, I just couldn’t care less…

Posted June 6, 2013 4:43 pm 

Fish Eyes

K-2- Fan.. I told you everything you needed to know about what goes on with the owner here on ESB and BN24 weeks ago, but you chose to ignore me and throw out the usual insults.. Try emailing them about it.. See if you get an answer, Keep posting about it, then see how long it is until you get blocked.

Posted June 6, 2013 4:00 pm 


And Sergei, no overlook wrapping – NO FIGHT ! That’s for sure ! Especially after this thing with Wach !

Posted June 6, 2013 2:28 pm 


Lewis was a great heavyweight, but outside of Bowe he was the dirtiest fighter who ever held the Heavyweight title.

Posted June 6, 2013 1:47 pm 


And who exactly are you nightmare ??

Posted June 6, 2013 1:18 pm 


Lewis vs Johnson was selling moderately… In only 2 weeks Lewis-Vitlai sold out… The fight was never even promoted because you can’t do that in 2 weeks.. The rematch would have been a blockbuster worldwide had it been held in an English soccer stadium, an new record gate… Everybody knew Vitali could take Lewis at that time and was excited about the prospect of a rematch, because the fight was on HELL of a lot better than Lewis-Tyson or Lewis Holyfield.. Lewis-Bowe never had a chance because Bowe was gutless.. Outside of Lewis, Vitali had nobody to fight in America because Holyfield and Tyson consistently refused to fight him.. Danny Williams was a walkover and everybody knew it, and he was English… No American other than Tyson or Holyfield had the stature to fight Vitali, and that’s just a fact… Arreola didn’t do crap against Vitali and nobody gave him a chance.

Posted June 6, 2013 1:17 pm 

K-2- Fan

Interesting fact about ESB censorship ; If you try posting more then once , and the ” censors ” don’t like your opinion ( say about Hayes , Lewis , or even
Fury ) , you get a blank page with a comment ; slow down , you’re posting too fast . Yet , Sredmond , can post three , four or five of his spiteful , lying and distorting rants about the Klitchkos , and that’s considered kosher ! Interesting .

Posted June 6, 2013 1:06 pm 


Sredmond. Why are you so agressive, I said, Lennox was one of the greatest hw ! I respect Lennox ! As you know, I can’t express myself in English very well, but I’m sure you know exactly what I meant with this “story behind this cut”. Cut or cuts, whatever. It was illegal. And Lewis barely survived the 2nd round and almost got KO’d, he was badly hurt.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:55 pm 


Ernie you’re such a fool ! This Angelina Fatachini was a fake , that wasn’t me, yes !
But this here is no fake ! Is it so hard to believe, that a woman is interested in boxing ?? Guess what, I also have a Kawasaki ninja ! So what ?! Must I show you my Facebook profile to proof that I’m a real woman ???

Posted June 6, 2013 12:51 pm 


Angie, you have shown yourself to be DISHONEST Vitali had 5 cuts all caused by punches yet you discuss only one ???? You also seek to sell a conspiracy, get this thru your head Vitali was a NOBODY when he was taken as a lightly regarded LATE replacement against an ATG HW Champion… No one said he was getting a 2 or 3 fight deal he fought well but he got broken up and LOST… We have seen plenty of young guys step up and take out an old Champ, Klits did not have the goods to get the job done… He did not outweighs Lewis by 30 pounds nor was he so much taller he could not be hit… Lennox is a much more destructive fighter with a single shot than Klits who goes 8 or 9 rounds with guys Lennow would blow out like Adamek or Arreola who would never survive sustained pounding from Lewis in that manner…Face it Vitali I’d gonna DIE without EVER having beaten Lewis or any other HOF HW fighter… Live with this..

Posted June 6, 2013 11:32 am 


Angie, Vitali landed HIS best punches and once Lewis adjusted after round 2 he was unfazed and kept moving forward throwing the MORE physically damaging blows which resulted in not one, not 2 not 3 not 4 but 5 different injuries that needed surgical repair… And yes Vitali was waning in the final rounds he was taking BIGGER punches than he can produce on a singular basis… Klit fans LOVE to strip out the brutal injuries that Lewis wrought upon Vitali because the are unwilling to give an OLD Champ credit for having enough in the tank to win an ugly fight… They are used to seeing Vitali steamroll lightly regarded opponents without incident… Lewis was on the slide and he still had enough to get Vitali out of there…Lennox knew his time in boxing was over and after his successful defense and reflection he did the rarest of things in boxing and retired on top… Vitalis failure to find a defining win NOT LOSS is his own problem…

Posted June 6, 2013 10:29 am 

K-2- Fan

NamelLess : What a perfect name , for a pathetic , hateful little

Posted June 6, 2013 9:49 am 


Powetkins camp do not wanna allow Vitali Klitschko to overlook wraping of Powetkin !

Posted June 6, 2013 9:41 am 


Mongrel – It wasn’t me.

Posted June 6, 2013 5:51 am 


You came around talking about Italian buns. That is what happened.

I`ve tried Italian buns and they were delicious.

Posted June 6, 2013 4:53 am 


Tark, has shown once AGAIN he’s a fool!!! He claims that “Vitali would have been Lewis biggest fight”…. That’s CRAZY because Tyson was and ALWAYS WILL BE a bigger box office draw than Klitschko who m FLOPPED horribly when they tried selling he and I believe Danny Williams on PPV AFTER Lewis caved his face in… The number was around 100,000 buys which is WOEFUL…. Post Lewis Vitali was effectively forgotten by the American public and his retirement was hardly noted…..Lewis vs Tyson did close to 2 million buys a number that has only been eclipsed once again these FACTS are TREASON to the Klit faithful but there is NO disputing them…

Posted June 6, 2013 2:43 am 


Mongrel….. “Americans didn`t really take to Vitali.”

He had no American opponents of stature.. He fought Chris Arreola when Chris was 27 or 28-0 — but Arreola had never beaten a top guy and wasn’t very handsome interesting, or charismatic to say the least.. Calling everybody a MFer can only win you a few low grade fans. But Vitali sold out the Staples Center with Arreola anyway.. Briggs was a 270-pound punching bag with a 30 inch neck, who even Ibragimov whipped up on. Nobody liked Briggs any better cause he was a jerk.. Wladimir took care of Chambers and Brock, who weren’t anything big time anyway. Brock couldn’t draw flies on his own.

The big opponents were Haye and Peter where the fights made more sense in Europe. If Jennings or Banks become huge you may see Vitali back in the US. He’d be about 43 by that time so it’s getting pretty ridiculous — but it seems like he’s going to fight Stiverne, who trounced Arreola.

Posted June 6, 2013 2:01 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Mongrel: The only cucumbers you need to think about are the big, vegetable sort that you and your best lover Ernie use as double-sided dildos. Word on the street is you “funny fellas” just can’t get enough of the ass-to-ass piston action. Hence the term, “Butt Buddies”…. LOL.

Posted June 6, 2013 1:48 am 


Angelia, your Italian buns? Are they still firm to the touch and are they 100% natural?

Posted June 6, 2013 1:35 am 


Sea Cucumbers are renowned for lacking the cerebral complexity to find anything entertaining, so this is good, we have found your problem.

Unfortunately there isn`t a lot we can do to treat your condition. You basically have to try really hard to be less dim and cucumberlike.

Posted June 6, 2013 1:19 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Wow, Mongrel… that wasn’t the least bit funny or entertaining. In fact, it’s quite a deeply odd and peculiar think to say. The type of thing we’d hear from someone with very with skewed thought processes— as in with a guy who’s done WAY to much LSD.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:49 am 


Yet you lack wit, even for a small and ubiquitous aquarium fish.

I wonder are you actually a sea cucumber?

Posted June 6, 2013 12:41 am 

Angelina Fatchalini

Hi Ernie, want an open roast beef sandwich?? On an Italian bun.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:37 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Oh sorry Mongrel, didn`t realize you were a Brit-tard and Ernie’s butt buddy… LOL.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:34 am 


Oh sorry squared circle, didn`t realise you were a guppy.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:28 am 


Lewis was already involved in the biggest HW fight in history – vs Tyson.

Lewis-VK was never going to be bigger than that, because Americans didn`t really take to Vitali. If they had, Vitali would have been a PPV there and kept fighting, but he actually did disappointing figures in the US against guys not named Lewis.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:26 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Circle-jerk scribbled: “the Cowardly Lion fled to Jamaica with his head down and tail between his legs, and has been HIGH everyday (on KGB) since, trying to numb his pain and shame.”

Can you actually give evidence of this or is it just your little fantasy?

Posted June 6, 2013 12:21 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Nameless callin shots on ReTark, nice work…

Posted June 6, 2013 12:13 am 


The perception of Vitali at the time is particularly relevant for how I consider Lewis retiring, and I`ll state right out I wish he`d just rematched him.

Lewis had met his match, we all saw it.

The question for me is whether Lewis thought “This guy is amazing, he is going to rule the HWs”, or whether he thought “I should be KO’ing these 2nd rate Eastern Europeans, what has happened to me?”

His initial reaction makes me think it was more of the latter.

He`d spent most of his career hunting down a defining fight with Tyson, and I don`t think he`d have chucked away the shot of another if he knew how the next era was going to be dominated by he K’s.

If Lewis was a coward, he acted in a pretty strange manner for a coward for most of his career.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:11 am 


Btw that pickup attempt below was a laugh

Posted June 6, 2013 12:05 am 


Assumption is all u kilt tards got.

Posted June 6, 2013 12:04 am 


You mean Lewis would have had the kilts careers. Lewis retired lewis and vk has fk all on him

Posted June 6, 2013 12:03 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Vitali retired Lewis at just 37-years-old. If it weren’t for VK chasing him outta boxing, LL would’ve spent at least five years smashing tin cans and punching bags for millions upon millions of $. And you know it’s true!

Lewis hit VK with a few shots that would’ve KTFO anybody, and I do mean anybody, and VK didn’t get wobbled in the slightest–like an IronMan and just kept coming after LL like a Cyborg. After that fight, LL realized that he got thoroughly outboxed by VK, and would never be able to hurt or stop him. And that’s when the FEAR set in.

LL outright refused to give VK and the boxing public a rematch because he knew he would lose. It would’ve been the biggest HW fight in boxing history, and that’s why it’s now widely known as the DUCK OF THE CENTURY. Nuff said.

Posted June 5, 2013 11:57 pm 


Mongrel…., Vitali went on to be better… He came back after a 4-year-layoff rehabbing old kickboxing injuries to his legs.. He won every round from the guy who put his brother down 3 times, and polished Peter off in 7 rounds. That was without any tune-up fights or exhibition matches, but his legs were in the best shape in 17 years so he said he never felt better … and went on a strong run to age 41.

But to answer your question about quitting at the top. Tunney got nicked for not fighting Sharkey or Schmeling, and only defending the title twice.

Marciano got nicked for not fighting Patterson, and only defending the title against light heavyweights, and only 6 times against 5 washed up challengers.

Lewis got nicked really big for not giving Vitali a deserved and promised rematch.

On the other hand Ali got beaten a lot by guys like Norton and 197-pound Leon Spinks … but those losses are dismissed a lot.

Larry Holmes fought until he was 53.. He could have quit after 20 successful title defenses and 48 straight wins. He didn’t.

Joe Louis came back and got whipped by Charles and Marciano. He looked really terrible and a shadow of the young Brown Bomber. But some still consider him the best ever.

Jack Johnson fought til he was past 50, and lost a lot.. So maybe historians underrate the guys who quit on top and overrated the guys who got their asses kicked numerous times as old men.

And maybe a 100 years of more historical perspective will change that.

Posted June 5, 2013 11:14 pm 


And directly after the Lewis fight, do you feel the general perception would have been that Klitschko (also know as Quitschko at that time) was THAT good or that Lewis looked bad?

I ask because I think people look at that fight coloured by hindsight of knowing how good Vitali would go on to be.

Posted June 5, 2013 10:53 pm 


So Tark here is a question…..when is the best time to retire – before or after someone knocks you off the top of the tree?

Posted June 5, 2013 10:42 pm 


Only to tards who can’t make relative assessments – such as you

Posted June 5, 2013 10:36 pm 


NOPE… Vitali looks better because he has a higher winning percentage, a higher KO ratio, had a better defense, a stronger offense, has never been knocked down … and has never been behind on points.

Vitali was ready and anxious to rematch the man he was beating on points… Lewis bragged long and loud about the rematch but chicked out… That just makes him look cowardly.

Posted June 5, 2013 10:31 pm 


Was it fk. Wish it had carried on and vitali got sparked but tko6

By the way all of this denial and dummy throwing only makes vittles look worse

Posted June 5, 2013 10:23 pm 


Lewis was booed on his ring exit… Everybody knew it was a robbery.

Posted June 5, 2013 10:22 pm 


Lewis was booed on his ring walk. You make no sense or point

Posted June 5, 2013 10:18 pm 


Ukrainian news I take it. Not what I saw. Tko6. Vitali was nobody and never got higher than a loss. Sill the last undisputed champ to 6

Posted June 5, 2013 10:17 pm 


Vitali was all over the news the day Lewis announced his retirement… Lewis even apologized for not living up to his promise to give him a rematch … News commentators were all saying, “He’s quitting because Klitschko was kicking his rear end and he doesn’t want to fight him.”

Don’t tell me. I heard it. That Staples crowd was cheering Vitali and booing Lewis. They could see who was winning the fight.

Posted June 5, 2013 10:12 pm 


No mention of vitali the day Lewis quit. Get over yourself. Tko6

Posted June 5, 2013 10:01 pm 


Tark – the reason he didn’t was he won. Why bother? He was already loaded and not being eastern European is not as greedy and money grabbing

Posted June 5, 2013 9:59 pm 


Hayden is paid by wlad. She said this already last time they “broke up”

Posted June 5, 2013 9:29 pm 


Wlad has astonishing beaver knowledge too. Hayden is a lucky girl.

Posted June 5, 2013 9:11 pm 


If as Wlad says in the intervview is true, and he is his own harshest critic, that would mean Wlad is SREDMOND.

That would blow my mind, it would make him Dr Trollfist.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:52 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edited the typo out of my moniker

Posted June 5, 2013 8:28 pm 

Gonzo the Drangonborn

Speaking of the Klitschkos.. I stumbled across a fascinating interview with Wlad the other day that might be of interest to some of you.

Wladimir Klitschko, the IBF, IBO, WBO and WBA Heavyweight champion of the world has fought 62 pro fights. That’s a lot of training, a lot of weigh-ins, and plenty of punches both thrown and taken (although in his case there has been more of the former). Sit down with the 36-year-old Ukrainian to talk boxing and you’re struck by the lack of fatigue. Where by now there might be weariness, there is only enthusiasm and hunger. Plenty of fighters want his Heavyweight belts but – as ESB exclusively found out, the bad news for all of them is – as he turns 37 – he’s in no mood to give them up…

After so many bouts, what motivates you to train so hard?

I have to say that I am more excited and motivated by boxing than I have ever been. My enjoyment for the sport is huge right now and with that I am happier than I have ever been in my life. Although my old trainer Emmanuel Steward recently passed away, I still hear his words of wisdom when I am training and as ever his words continue to motivate me.

What has been your most memorable victory so far?

I really enjoyed beating David Haye. It wasn’t my best performance so far but I so wanted his WBA belt and for the Klitschko brothers to unify the division. It was also a very poignant night for me as it was the last time my father saw me fight before he sadly passed away.

Do you think there will ever be a re-match with Haye?

“If this means of escape is not open to a beaver and it is cornered, then, like many wild animals, it will attempt to frighten off its attacker or defend itself or its young with a sudden lunge and bite,” Jones continued.

The scientist theorized that the animal must have felt cornered and, as a result, “fell back on its last line of defense.”

While beavers were hunted nearly to extinction in the 1800s for their pelts, the last few decades have seen a resurgence in their numbers, both in their European and Asian habitats and in North America. Since scientists have realized that the “tubby, spaniel-sized” animals are a boon to ecosystems, protections have been put in place to preserve their numbers.

Beaver reintroduction programs have been instituted in 29 countries in Europe. The Scottish Beaver Trial began in 2009 when a family of Eurasian beavers were set free in the Knapdale Forest on Scotland’s southwestern coast.

Beavers benefit ecosystems because the lakes and ponds caused by their dams provide habitat for many wetland species. The dams also trap pollution and sedimen

I think it will be difficult to sell tickets for a fight with Haye, I really do. Haye has not been fighting consistently, he’s not been busy. Because of that his name is not big anymore in the world of boxing and I think he would have to work hard to regain his status and become a credible option.

Who has been your toughest opponent?

I respect all my opponents but my toughest is myself. I would hate to fight myself because there would have to be a loser! I am always pushing myself though and am also my harshest critic.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:27 pm 

Gonzo the Drangonborn

FA.. I’m delighted to hear you’re enjoying them. Spreading vulture awareness is something that I feel incredibly passionate about and something I cannot even begin to stress how imperative I think it is to do so.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:25 pm 

Gonzo the Drangonborn

Yes Ernie that’s correct.. all my vulture facts are 100% true. There’s plenty more to come too.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:21 pm 

Gonzo the Drangonborn

Andre Dirrell’s career?! I assume you’re alluding to his brief but illustrious acting career? He’s quite the thespian you know.. He was actually nominated for an Oscar for his performance in The Man With No Bollocks. lol

Posted June 5, 2013 8:18 pm 


esb forum sucks, so much trolls.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:09 pm 


@nameless – aaaahhhhh, so that is why Wlad clinches so much.

Posted June 5, 2013 7:05 pm 


Mongrel – Hayden is the cover not the lover

Posted June 5, 2013 7:01 pm 


@Harry – re the HOF. It was basically easier in the past to get into the HOF, especially for heavyweights, since there would have been less of a backlog of fighters on the shortlist, and less divisions and belts (8 dvisions instead of 13, 1 belt instead of 4) for people to be making a name for themselves in.

So some of the past names in there you can take with a pinch of salt.

But Brewster and Byrd won`t get in the HOF, they won`t ever make the shortlist of 3 names. Whatever year they quit in, there will be 3 fighters from other divisions better than them also retiring.

Even Naseem Hamed is on the shortlist but not in yet, Don Curry too – and he was considered a p4p fighter.

It`s not unthinkable that Hopkins, Vitali, Roy Jones Jnr, James Toney, Barrera, MOrales, COtto, and Pacquaio all retire officially next year – and that would mean five of those eight guys wouldn`t even get shortlisted. THAT is how hard it is to get ion now.

Posted June 5, 2013 6:48 pm 

K Tards

Mongrel.. Great post..

Posted June 5, 2013 6:41 pm 


Vitali has FAILED to make a name for himself by riding Lewis name for 10 years… His performance was trumped badly by McCall a guy who booked plenty of losses yet when it was time to face Lennox he dropped him… Something Vitali could only dream of doing… After round 3 it was pretty much curtains for Klits because he was damaged and on his way to absorbing MORE damage… Vitali recently stopped Charr via cuts and NO ONE cares nor tried to deny his victory…Who cares about Vitali not getting a rematch he would have certainly LOST AGAIN…. Lewis was 100% in rematches whereas Vitali has a 0% winning percentage in this regard… You guys are gonna be faced with trying to sell Vitali based on Peter and the rest for eternity… Lewis was his one chance at buffing up that anemic resume and instead he was seen lying on a surgeons table as his 5 brutal injuries were mercifully closed…

Posted June 5, 2013 6:27 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

OK cool, now you go on record as a welsher, that make it a perfect trifecta being a ball-gazer and salad tosser too…

Posted June 5, 2013 6:14 pm 


Right.., Correct your English Ernie Enema Snoot… That’s your thing.

Posted June 5, 2013 5:54 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie


Posted June 5, 2013 5:45 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

I usually don’t agree with K-2 Fan, but his points on this subject are correct, whether they are hard to swallow or not…

Posted June 5, 2013 5:40 pm 

K Tards

IE: This topic..

Posted June 5, 2013 5:34 pm 

K Tards

TARK.. What does that have to do with Wlad v Povetkin?

Posted June 5, 2013 5:33 pm 

K Tards


Posted June 5, 2013 5:28 pm 


He is a tard. Don’t bother

Posted June 5, 2013 5:20 pm 

K Tards

K-2- Fan “Money doesn’t seem enough , when you have to face a Klitchko . As was evidenced once before , with Lenny Lewis .” This article is about Wlad versus Povetkin, not Vitali versus Lewis, or how much you want to moan about Vitali versus Lewis… Wlad and Vitali are not “a Klitchko” they are two different ones. Wlad never fought Lewis, neither did Povetkin.. So stick to the topic in question.. You were doing well when you said.. (Quote K-2- Fan.) . “A lot of well informed people in the business , predicted Povetkin and his team would try to find any and all measures , NOT to ACTUALLY fight Wlad .” I agree with this. Hence me saying.. “Povetkin is looking for a way out, why not talk about that instead of moaning about Lewis?” (Posted by me June 4, 2013 2:08 pm) …So I AGREE with you.. But why do you feel the need to still whine about “Lenny” Lewis after all these years?.. I think Wlad and Vitali are both great world champions, both will go into the HOF, and that both would have a chance of beating any heavyweight in history.. Why can that not be good enough for you?

Posted June 5, 2013 5:11 pm 



Posted June 5, 2013 4:22 pm 


hey Sis, please don’t start with the russian guys .

Posted June 5, 2013 4:20 pm 


Sredmond. Nice way out :)

Posted June 5, 2013 2:58 pm 


Huckster, ist gut jetzt, wir haben es mittlerweile kapiert, kannst aufhören, ständig dasselbe zu posten.

Posted June 5, 2013 2:47 pm 

it’s me, Angie

англи́йский ?

Posted June 5, 2013 2:39 pm 

K-2- Fan

I feel that I must apologize for starting this whole tirade of witless comments by the pathetic , insecure and halfwitted Lewis fans , who still feel like they have to defend Lewis for running away rather than stay and rematch Vitaly . There is no reason to mention their ” names “, because we all know who they are . I was merely trying to make a point , that no matter how high the stakes are ; some guys simply are NOT willing to put it on the line . Lewis comes to mind immediately , because he was LOSING the fight , he was behind on
ALL cards , got a GIFT decision , and PROMISED Vitali a rematch . He was the guy who had something to prove , NOT Vitali ! Also , at 30 million , the pot was BIGGER than even this one , therefore my original contention stands ; NO
MATTER the AMOUNT of money , you CANNOT entice someone into the ring , if
they are NOT WILLING ! Povetkin is NOT willing and NEITHER was Lewis !
And all the HOF nominations in the world , are NEVER going to change that !

Posted June 5, 2013 2:32 pm 


Angelina, I think I outline where we disagree pretty clearly below, feel free to read again if you care to..

Posted June 5, 2013 2:28 pm 


Kубpат Пулев е живoтнo и ще бие Kличкo лoшo, нека пъpвo Влад бие Pуcкий Витяз (sаshа`povеtkin)_pуcкий Витяз

Posted June 5, 2013 2:19 pm 


huskster Pulеv-Wlаd-2014 not 2013! ->2014! PULЕV THЕ KLITSНCK0 NIGНTМАRЕ…

Posted June 5, 2013 2:08 pm 


this year 2013 wlad-pulev. pulev wants it.

Posted June 5, 2013 1:55 pm 


You are NOT debating – does that means you have no arguments on this ? And no need to be pissed off…

Posted June 5, 2013 1:22 pm 


I am NOT debating Manny Stewards affection for Wlad Klitschko who he had a tremendously successful personal and professional relationship… I am NOT debating Wlads physical skills and talent what is in contention is the quality of his resume relative to Lewis who had to pass thru a MUCH tougher gauntlet of fighters to acheive his accolades….Lewis BEAT Vitali who has proven to be a HOF HW at the peak of a HW fighters powers despite these guys who wanna pretend everyone blossoms at 37 after retirements… Wlad is hurt BADLY by his earlier career losses which his opponents try to pass off as irrelevant even though he was what 7 or 8 years into his career when he was taking beating from Sanders and Brewster? then he has NO corresponding GREAT wins to say this guy is beyond a certain point… Believe it or NOT I respect Wlad, some of his and Vitalis fans I find objectionable due to their constant excuse making and desire to rewrite HW history to somehow make the Klits MORE than they are… Sorry their resumes are pretty soft and Vitalis is WEAK.

Posted June 5, 2013 1:05 pm 


Hi Ernie, want a sandwich ?

Posted June 5, 2013 12:35 pm 


Wladimir should fight Pulev.. Really.. Fury and Adamek backed out of a Pulev fights.. The man is very dangerous and has stopping power late in fights..What top heavyweight is going to fight Pulev if Wladimir doesn’t?

Posted June 5, 2013 12:26 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

harry is just pissed that his mother named him after her clam…

Posted June 5, 2013 12:08 pm 


And yeah you’re right, Pianeta, Wach, Mormeck and others weren’t not real contenders, but Vlad can only fight what’s in front of him. Should Vlad lying on the couch until someone really good comes along ? And the Povetkin fight he would have already done, but Povetkin was too scared. But even with weak and boring opponents, you should see, what an incredible talent Vlad is.

Posted June 5, 2013 11:41 am 

it’s me, ANGIE (this “you post too quickly” sucks )

Sredmond. He IS not Lennox, he CAN’T replace Lennox, but he’s not worse than Lennox. They’re just different. A reporter asked Manny if Vlad is right up there with those big names. Manny said : ” talent wise, yes, he’s right up there, but he is not executed, he still holds back and Lennox did it, when it was necessary. That’s the different. But he has more talent than anyone else.”

And here what Manny also said :

Wladimir has such unbelievable one-punch punching power, unlike anybody I have ever trained.
Whereas Lennox is a little bit more explosive, he’s maybe not as super talented as Wladimir is, but he would do a variety of things.
Then Wladimir has a little bit better footwork with his in and out rhythm, and he has that unbelievable short and accurate one-punch punching power that could have gotten Lennox or anybody in trouble, at any point in the fight. It’s one of those fights that I as a fan would love to see myself.
They both like to play chess, which I do not like.

Lennox was called being “too cautious” and “too boring” and all of that, much like Wladimir today. But they remind me so much of each other in terms of the details and their physical size.

Posted June 5, 2013 11:31 am 


The Klits have been around for 15 years and the best win of Vitalis career is FAT Sam Peter and this fool Harry is trying to sell TINY Adamek who’s struggling at HW?? Or Byrd who was a damn good fighter albeit too small for the weight and forces out of the division… The Klits have 100 wins and none are HOF level, special HW’s that’s sad commentary on their careers..

Posted June 5, 2013 11:26 am 


Tomas Adamek is ANOTHER guy who began his career at LHW where he was taken to school by Chad Dawson who was just stopped at 168 pounds.. Adameks a NOBOBY at HW and has needed a couple gifts against Cunnigham and Chambers to keep going… He cannot hit worth a damn at the weight… For a guy who does NOT like small HW’s you keep bringing up the Klits smallest opponents??? Former 175 pounders who had to face natural 250 pounders?? Again your hypocrisy is SHAMEFUL!! Harry!

Posted June 5, 2013 11:23 am 


Wlad does have some solid wins but NONE of them are special… You keep discussing Wlad beating Byrd who was TERRIBLY undersized and totally lacked punching power even in
Lower divisions… YOU are the guy dismissing aller HWs yet you are harping on a guy who ended his career at LHW…????? Out of Mayweathers last 7 opponents 4 are going to the HALL OF FAME Oscar, Mosley, Marquez and Cotto, another is a 4 weight titlest Guerrero… Between Wach, Pianeta, 40 year old Mormeck and retread Thompson what have they accomplished?? Best guy Wlad beat in awhile was ANOTHER small HW since YOU don’t like them and it was a terrible fight Haye…. Mayweathers resume is FAR SUPERIOR

Posted June 5, 2013 11:18 am 


hhhmmm looks like redness chose the easy route and hopped on his bike so!! Much like Lennox “The Cowardly Lion” Lion did after VK got his mitts on him! :D

Posted June 5, 2013 10:15 am 


Plenty of credible wins Mayweather, just off my head DESTROYING Byrd in 7 rounds, coming off a 4 year layoff to DESTROY top ranked Pater in 8 (who only had a close loss to ATG Wlad on the record), schooling of WBA champ Haye, taking on top ranked contender Adamek in Adamek’s home of Poland at 41 years of age and DESTROYNG him in 10 stanzas (the first time Adamek was ever stopped, and only the 2nd loss of his near 50 fight career). I could easily go on but you’re a cretin so aren’t worth my time. Feel privileged I even responded here ;)

Posted June 5, 2013 10:11 am 


Here’s an argument for you. Give me the most credible win of your k-brothers. I left my ambien at work and I need to be properly bored to sleep. Don’t worry just reading the title of the article made me drowsy….I’m listening….Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz_Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted June 5, 2013 10:03 am 


you sredmondess and ernie both are NAZIST BTCH TROLLS. YOU DIDN’T PROVE ME WRONG, YOU DIDN’T REFUTE THE FACTS, STATISTICAL FACTS, THAT I WROTE. I AM %100 RIGHT. MY FACTS ARE REAL. AND YOU BOTH ARE CHEAP NAZI HOES…It’s good that I’m a working man and don’t have too much time for these discussions. Bye fa gg ots Bernie and Sredmondess.

Posted June 5, 2013 10:00 am 


” Wlads a fine HOF HW fighter but he’s not in Lewis class” At least you got that one right Redness. Wlad is in a class FAR superior than Lewis will ever be remembered. Wlad will likely go down as GOAT :D

Posted June 5, 2013 9:58 am 


The Klitschko obsessed Redness says ” It took Wlad 48 fights and 3 TKO losses to find himself” So what’s your point? You could also say it took Pacquaio 41 fights 3 KO losses and 2 draws before HE found himself (in rematch with Morales). HELL you could say it took Barrera 54 fights and 3 losses before HE found himself too (in the great performance albeit a losing one to Morales). Where does it say a fighter needs to find himself by X number of fights Redness before we can consider him great? Who cares WHEN he found himself, what’s IS important is that he HAS found himself already and is currently the 2nd longest reigning champ EVER and the MOST CONSISTENTLY dominant champ the division has EVER seen! You talk about HOF fighters. Why? Cause it’s all you whiny little goon have that’s why. Most fighters in the HOF fought when most of eastern Europe was EXEMPT from the sport so your hof argument is NULL and VOID. I tell you what Redness IF you can tell me what was so exceptional about the heavyweight duo Ingnmer Johansson and Floyd Patterson (since they are in the hof), then that would help a little to validate your argument that a hof scalp is worth it’s weight in gold. If you can’t sell us Johansson and Patterson as exceptional heavyweights, however, then on your bike. Your move Redness :)

Posted June 5, 2013 9:54 am 


Angie, Wlads a fine HOF HW fighter but he’s not in Lewis class his resume is getting worse with trash like Pianeta, Wach, Mormeck etc… Lewis opposition was superior and he was not sharing the crown with his brother..

Posted June 5, 2013 9:51 am 


Harry you have NOT offered a single reason why they ARE HOFers beyond your saying “Bryd and Brewster are going” why would I rebutt a case YOU did NOT MAKE… Tell us why YIU think they are going?? For God Sakes YOU thought Brewsters name was “Lamont” LMAO!

Posted June 5, 2013 9:48 am 


After this fight, Povetkin will be nobody. Nobody do not get paid. Now, as a champ he is getting better deals than his opponents. He is not going to be a champ after 5th round. He is going to loose very big, and all he is going to be a sparring partner and second class contender. He will not be able to select old and weak opponents anymore. That means he is going to be beaten till he is down to the low level of boxing, where he belongs. And I want it happened to Povetkin, because he deserves it.

Posted June 5, 2013 9:35 am 

it’s me, ANGIE (this “you post too quickly” sucks )

this comment before wasn’t complete.

It didn’t take Vlad 48 fights and 3 TKO losses to find himself, he was a great talent BEFORE the 3 losses. Everyone learns from fight to fight….

Posted June 5, 2013 9:34 am 


It didn’t take Vlad 48 fights and 3 TKO losses to find himself, he was a great talent BEFORE

Posted June 5, 2013 9:29 am 

harry the K Tard

lol what a tard he is.

Posted June 5, 2013 9:24 am 


so…is it your sredmondess EXPLANATION????? -> “He is just not….a….material….of….a….HOF”???? WOW BTCH! THAT WAS PAAAATHETIC. no facts, no decent reasons why. That’s all you got Nazi BTCH TROLL! Your participation in this conversation is a typical TROLL MISSION. A sredmondess old btch just wants to get people’s negative reaction. So, here we go, btch! suck it Lena Lewis nutthugger!

Posted June 5, 2013 9:20 am 

it’s me, ANGIE (this “you post too quickly” sucks )

Well I guess that’s more I could expect from you…
Funny is, when Lennox dominated the hw division, they’ve said the same about him : Boring style, glass chin… ( not my opinion by the way ).

Posted June 5, 2013 9:09 am 


Brewster and Byrd the most respected?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Man please at HW those guys are not HOF material.. I respect both but you are desperate Harry and this is gonna get worse for you!

Posted June 5, 2013 9:04 am 


Harry, YOU don’t even KNOW Lamon Brewsters name so how can you sell him as an HOF candidate??? You called him “Lamont” you idiot LMAO…. Byrd was a skilled fighter but he’s gonna get passed by ALOT of guys for the HOF which comes 5 years post retirement before you’re eligible…. Brewsters does NOT even have a SLIGHT shot… But YOU SAID YOU DON’T RESPECT boxers under 200 pounds and Byrd fits that criteria! He began at 175 and fought at 168 as an amateur… Are you basing his candidacy off of making Vitali QUIT… Which is part of Klits SHAME!

Posted June 5, 2013 9:00 am 

it’s me, ANGIE (this “you post too quickly” sucks )

“Most trainers think highly if their fighter”, so are you suggesting know, that Manny was wrong ?

Posted June 5, 2013 8:58 am 


Angie, we know Steward trained Wlad and respected him as a fighter what’s your point? Most trainers think highly if their fighter??

Posted June 5, 2013 8:54 am 


Steward said, this was as weak an Era as he has seen but again what of your pumping up a SUB 200 pound fighter like Byrd?? Again you’re an angry fraud the Klits will toil in obscurity till retirement then rapidly fade from consciousness.. They never gave us a Superfight during their time… Closest was Wlad vs Haye… Need I say more??

Posted June 5, 2013 8:52 am 


you disrespectful btch now better explain why do YOU think Lamont Brewster and Chris Byrd will not be inducted in HOF. Not even close you wrote huh?! EXPLAIN WHY! TROLL. For your information, featherfisted punchbag Cassy Clay is a former lightheavyweight. stupid fool…huh “Brewster and Byrd ate not even close”….HOF has inducted so much unknown bums that Brewster and Byrd will be two of the most respected ex-heavyweight champions there. For sure. Once again, you proved what an old Nazi btch you are.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:52 am 

it’s me, ANGIE (this “you post to quickly” sucks )

You always criticize Vlad’s style, but this is also Manny’s work.

From an ESB article :

So when we were doing the movie, there was a lot of anxiety among us, because Lennox used to always ask me, much like Wladimir does today, “Emanuel, who is coming up that I have to kind of look out for? Who’s going to be the next big challenge for me?”

And I told Lennox, “Wladimir Klitschko—the young kid who won the Olympics in Atlanta. That’s the kid that I think is the best talent out there”. I always said that about him.

So then Wladimir gets knocked out by Corrie Sanders. It was only a couple of weeks right after that, that we were in a training camp in the Poconos. So I’m wrapping Lennox’s hands and he says, “Manny? You see the young Klitschko boy who you’re so high on get knocked out a couple of weeks ago?”

I said, “Yep!”

He said, “Are you still that high on him?”

I said, “Yep! He’s the best heavyweight prospect out there, Lennox. He will dominate the heavyweight division after you”.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:52 am 


you fool! steward never said it’s a weak era in terms of quality, he said it lacks BIG ADVERTISED NAMES. So, once again you are a prove Nazi btch troll sredmondess

Posted June 5, 2013 8:38 am 


Brewsters NOT even close to a HOF fighter and Byrd though a skilled boxer is NOT making it at HW… Harry you have proven yourself a FRAUD trying to sell the talented yet BADLY undersized Byrd! Your whole nonsensical thesis was based in the lumbering poundage of the Klits inept foes yet you trot out Byrd who was a former LHW who dropped back down and got stopped because he could NOT hang at HW… Now you have forced me to SHAME you and prove you are a bitter fraud… I appreciate that TRAGIC error you just made!

Posted June 5, 2013 8:36 am 


Are you suggesting that Wlads career cannot be discussed because the Great Manny Steward was his trainer? That’s crazy, even Steward said this era was WEAK… That’s a fact

Posted June 5, 2013 8:31 am 


Yes, yes , Sredmond, but Mayweather’s opponents were ALL always REAL contenders, huh ?

Posted June 5, 2013 8:23 am 


I once again proved that you are an old Nazi BTCH troll sredmondess. and of course, a stupid idiot.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:07 am 


HAH! Lena Lewis has 39-2 record in 200+lbs division. that’s fact you idiot…if, not, prove the opposite…and second point….a lot of KlichKO’s opponents will be in AMERICAN HALL OF FAME one day, especially guys like Byrd and Brewster.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:05 am 


If you criticize Vlad – you criticize Manny Steward. Think about it.

Posted June 5, 2013 8:02 am 


Harry, the Klits have beaten 0000 HOFers or really historically relevant boxers.. Vitalis best win was the woeful Sam Peter a NOBODY in boxing history who beat a fat puffed up 168 pounder like James Toney despite his skill and a worn out Maskaev who had been knocked more than once…When the PEAK of your resume is beating Samuel Peter is a sad case for a guy trying to oversell Vitali…

Posted June 5, 2013 7:57 am 


Harry, YOU are NOT factually correct SO we violently disagree on that point LMAO!!! You seem very ANGRY with Brits and Americans so need to work on that.. Why am I gonna discuss boxing with a CHILD who cannot even get Lennox Lewis boxing record correct?? I understand your anger the Klits have been marginalized for various reasons but that’s not gonna change especially if they keep facing scrubs like Wach, Pianeta, Charr, Mormeck and a Thompson retread…

Posted June 5, 2013 7:53 am 


Prove me wrong you cheap writer. you have no clue about boxing statistics and real facts. I am writing FACTS, you are writing meaningless BS, redmondess

Posted June 5, 2013 7:46 am 


Harry, I’m American first of all and secondly I don’t think you’re worthy of more than I chose to give you… Do you understand? I don’t respect your perspective and as such you have to deal with mine… These are my rules and if you’re frustrated that’s ALL the better!

Posted June 5, 2013 7:29 am 


Lewis DIDN’T respect Klits power that’s why an OLD Lewis walked him down and pounded him while improving on the damage he was causing in the last 2 rounds… Again this fight is important to Klit fans more than anyone, THEY FINALLY had an opponent they could be proud of in the ring but the problem was this guy can punch BACK even a lessor version of him had enough to pound Vitali like a steak…We saw Lewis defeated before, Lewis lost rounds before so what did Klits do that wa special? A goon like Bears will say “Compubox” which is a tool he points to when it favors his fighter and ignores when it doesn’t… No matter it has no bearing on the outcome of fights and is only useful for masturbating yourself after the contests over…Vitali did NOTHING worth discussing 10 years later, 1.) He lost the fight 2.) He took 60 stitches in 5 distinct wounds 3.) He did not record a KD of Lewis 4.) He won 4 measly rounds of a 12 round bout where he was badly hurt and fading… The most impressive thing accomplished during that contest was Lennox putting 60 stitches in Vitalis face during a bout where Lewis was past it and looked sloppy…Beyond that you might as well discuss Vitali beating Cruisers, Old Men, and unranked scrubs like Charr….’THAT’S his real legacy,” being very consistent against consistently lackluster competition” and losing to the only fighter he faced that actually mattered….

Posted June 5, 2013 7:26 am 



Posted June 5, 2013 7:13 am 


Here we are 10 years later and the ENTIRE Klitschko legacy is still in a chokehold due to Lewis proving that neither man was destined to beat a High Caliber HOF Level boxer…At this point you can only feel BAD for Klit fans who’s loyalty to their heroes is so blind they ate driven to try and rewrite boxing history on message board… TsK, TsK another sullied name during this MORE than SAD era of HW boxing might slip thru the cracks.. Serial ducker and fighter of OLD men Povetkin is yet again looking for a creative way to avoid combat setting Wlad up to face yet ANOTHER embarrassingly LOW caliber foe… In desperation the foolish Klit horde turns to DREAMS of Vitali dominating Lewis, their theis takes the words dishonest and ridiculous to new heights… Vitali LOST and he took ALOT of abuse during that loss, his relative pitty pat punches didn’t get the job done and Lewis was not letting the LESSOR fighter get to the 12th round… How do we know? He broke his face up beginning in the 3rd and continued till the 6th round… Lennox Lewis effectively KICKED the Klits OUT of the US and forced them to fight where it’s acceptable to dig up sparring partners and non World Class boxers in rapid succession… Lewis earned the respect of the US public after much toil and beating top comp and putting and end to Tyson… Lewis retired with a sparkling legacy while Vitali while solid and consistent has a resume that is if such INCREASINGLY inferior quality he should be happy if he gets inducted to the HOF second go around… Lewis is already there Thanks in
Part to Vitali donating his face to the cause…!!

Posted June 5, 2013 7:12 am 



Posted June 5, 2013 7:07 am 



Posted June 5, 2013 6:40 am 


oh come on. Lewis, 39-2, is a third strongest heavyweight of all time. but not second nor first. Vitaliy outboxed Lewis. Outlanded too. Won 4 rounds of 6. AND forced Lewis to retire like a coward at the age of just 38. VITALIY IS A BETTER BOXER THAN LENNOX ANY DAY A WEEK…Hence, Vitaliy, 45-2, is SECOND. Clearly better than Lennox, but worse than Vladimir…And of course, NUMBER 1 IS VLADIMIR KLICHKO, 60-3 (52 KO’S). He is the best puncher, has fought a better competition than Lewis and Vitaliy, he is the most dominant heavyweight ever, has the biggest experience and of course, his pure boxing abilities are the best ever – perfect classical boxing style, speed, power, movement, agility, handspeed, footwork. He is superior to any past boxer in any department…This conclusion is based not only on my opinion, but also and mainly because of statistical facts and real achievements in 200+lbs division.

Posted June 5, 2013 6:31 am 

pie chucker

wlad had ruled over an exceptionally weak era, not his fault, but to call him the best ever is just silly

Posted June 5, 2013 6:19 am 


Povetkin believes in the cold war. By which I mean he has a cold so he cannot go to war.

Posted June 5, 2013 5:31 am 


Piechucker – who has a better record than Wlad since the last of those defeats? Only p4p fighters.. Wlad learned from those defeats, it made him anfry and he turned into the UKranian Hulk. DOn`t make WLad angry. YOu will not like WLad when he is angry.

Posted June 5, 2013 5:30 am 


Povetkin sh.ts his Russian pants again and has been sh.tting his pants for 4 years and will keep on doing it as it appears

Posted June 5, 2013 5:27 am 


Did Lennox actually say those words? Maybe I haven`t seen an interview where he lists VItali as the hardest he`s been hit. It would be a little hollow seeing as Rahman and McCall had him seeing stars.

Despite that though I am saying Lennox didn`t respect Vitali’s power going into the fight, and he didn`t seem to respect it during the fight- or if he did he took a very calculated strategy of taking 2 to land 1 after he started getting outjabbed. He respected AFTER the fight or he wouldn`t have turned tail from a rematch.

I`m not ragging on Vitali – dudes a legend, but he simply fights in a more controlled manner, he chips bits off you till you can`t take any more. SOme guys Vitali can do that to while nothing in return, not Lewis though. Every second you are in the ring with Lewis there is a chance he will damage or KO you, he is a big powerful Mofo, and that is why UD’ing him just probably isn`t the way to go.

Posted June 5, 2013 5:22 am 


I agree with harry. vital is the heavyweight GOAT. wlads second best. lennox third. holmes/louis/clay /marciano battle for fourth and fifth and seventh. hmmmm who would and put in eight, nine, and ten.

Posted June 5, 2013 5:12 am 


vitaly outboxed lennox and beat him in every phase of the game accept holding and hitting. fouling essentially. vitaly outlanded lennox every round CLEAN SHEET ON THE COMPUBOX!!!!!

Posted June 5, 2013 5:05 am 


Lewis held vitalys head and raked him with his right and illegally caused the fight ending cut by way of foul. Lennox did this same move in his very first title bout. WBC title bout with tucker. ref joe cortiz immediately jumped lewis’s ass and said not to do it, next time he will be deducted. Lennox ended his career with this famous foul of his with vitaly. lennox used it many times in his career even knocking a guy out with it. i forget who it was. but right after he was about to fight tua and tua’s camp made A HUGE fuss about lennoxs cheating and wanted a ref that would call it and demanded that lennox not be able to cheat. it was the prefight story basically. anyway. sky sports shows a close up of it on their video of the fight. you can see the blood spurt out and everything. they tie up right after lennox throws the strait right and WHILE they are clinched lennox holds the back of vitalys head with his left arm and rakes him with his right. they looked clinched. you have to watch the close up. go to youtube and find a sky sports telecast not an hbo one. hbo doesnt do a good job at locating the moment of the cut. the english guys actually did though

Posted June 5, 2013 5:04 am 


foreman said it – Lennox Lewis does not respect the power of vitali

Posted June 5, 2013 5:03 am 


Did he fk say that bears you fantasist

Posted June 5, 2013 5:01 am 


Mongrel says “lewis didnt respect vitalys power”………….after the fight lennox says “vitaly was the toughest fight of my career and he’s the hardest puncher i ever faced and hit me harder than i ever been hit”……… refuting of mongrels quote from lennox himself.

Posted June 5, 2013 4:58 am 


@piechucker aka Ernie BTCH TROLL. Once again ho, YOU GOT NOTHING TO PROVE ME WRONG. BTCH. I GOT UNDENIABLE FACTS, AND ALL YOU F A G G O T GOT IS FART. TRY TO BEAT MY FACTS! YOU CANNOT CAUSE THEY ARE %100 REAL. You Ernie old btch can haha as long as you want now. Clay was a featherfisted punchbag, that’s why he got braindamaged, his real heavyweight record is 28-4, 8 ko’s. IT’S STATISTICAL FACT ERNIE BTCH, SUCK IT

Posted June 5, 2013 4:07 am 


your my ho ernie btch. don’t try to post comments for me. we all know your a Nazi btch troll who posts comments under different nicknames. you know, you can’t beat my FACTS so your just trying to act a fool. you suck loser, I own you every time.

Posted June 5, 2013 4:00 am 


@ pie chucker, your arguments are just ridiculous, it’s been 10 years ago. He’s a different fighter now. What do you think how he gets all this belts and being undefeated for almost a decade ?!

Posted June 5, 2013 3:14 am 


Lewis was at his heaviest ever career weight for Vitali, and that partly reflected him not working as hard as he used to, but also I think reflected him thinking Vitali was another Golota – a guy he could come in and blast out quickly. It isn`t as though Lewis didn`t have form for being off his game, he`d given the worst performance of his career two fights previously having undertrained and been too Hollywood for Rahman.

Watch Lewis Vitali with that in mind and you`ll see early on when Lewis isn`t tired, he is looking to load up with big shots, and he didn`t respect VItali’s power, and he was trudging through Vitali to land right hands.

In pure boxing terms Vitali was giving Lewis a bit of a lesson, and honestly I`d expect Vitali to win a UD in a rematch, but Lewis didn`t need to go to a rematch, because he did what champions do, he sucked it up, found a weakness and exploited it.

VItali didn`t have a rematch clause because he was noone at the time, so there was no imperative for Lewis to have to keep fighting this guy to show he was a better boxer – he wasn`t. He got throough by being a harder sharper puncher, and being more streetwise, and being as he was the champ he only had to do it once.

By all means I understand if Klitschko fans want to slag Lewis off, since he is a massive thorn in the side to proclaiming them as the best of all time but it is what it is.

McCall managed to beat Lewis, Rahman did it, but faced with the oldest, heaviest Lewis that would ever step in the ring Vitali did not, and that unfortunately has somewhat defined his career since noone even close to Lewis has turned up since for VK to prove himself against, except his brother who also happened to hoover up the best available competition.

Posted June 5, 2013 3:12 am 


@Squared-Circle, a friend of mine too :)

Posted June 5, 2013 2:50 am 


@It’s me earnie> “K-2 Queen, Do you mean the multi-millionaire Lennox Lewis who stopped Vitali when Lennox was in the worst shape of his entire career?”

How do you know he was in the worst shape of his entire carriere? Just because he lost 4 rounds to two that dosent mean he was out of shape ,it was the fact that Lewis for the first time in his carriere has to fight constantly and couldn’t hold of vitaly with his jab like his other opponents ,vitaly made him work!

Posted June 5, 2013 2:01 am 

Fight Aficionado

Gonzo the Dragonborn enjoyed your vulture post. Off topic, yes, but informative and interesting. More useful than 95% of the drivel posted in these threads.

Posted June 5, 2013 1:42 am 


do you think we have drinks sometime

Posted June 5, 2013 1:11 am 


You wont understand my point moron Harry

Posted June 5, 2013 1:08 am 

pie chucker

just look who has fought harry, nobody, and on the 3 separate occasions he was smashed, pummelled then knocked out by 3 very ordinary boxers. you are an imbecile harry, you make even George w bush look intelligent

Posted June 5, 2013 1:02 am 

pie chucker

harry – hahahahhahahahaha v.klit the best heavy ever ahahahahahahahhahahaa. id like to nominate you for the biggest douche in the universe award. hahahhaa vklit hahahaha. the only thing to come out of your hare-brained analysis is the undeniable fact that you have no idea about anything to do with boxing and your opinion is as useful as a chocolate teapot

Posted June 5, 2013 1:00 am 


Harry – best achievement in he boxing? Beating guys like pianta? Jmm? And wach? That record… Like his gown …. Is heavily padded

Posted June 5, 2013 12:39 am 


@dalekojak btch. To win 60 fights (52 by knockout) out of 63 is actually the best achievement in heavyweight boxing history. so, btch, you failed.

Posted June 5, 2013 12:34 am 


@dalekojak. so what BTCH?! and has 60 wins, 52 ko’s…what’s your point BTCH?! Lena Lewis knocked out cold 2 times, so what????

Posted June 5, 2013 12:19 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

LMAO @ Mongrel…

Posted June 4, 2013 11:57 pm 


V klit knocked out 3 times.

Posted June 4, 2013 11:56 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Interesting, I had no idea that vultures can digest rotten food that would be harmful to other animals…

Posted June 4, 2013 11:56 pm 


as we all remember povetkins team had no issues with cannon fodder rahman and wawrzyk (I recalled this bum’s name!). What else to add? VLAD KLICHKO IS A WORLD CHAMPION, sign the contract povetkin btch, go out and get your ass destroyed!

Posted June 4, 2013 11:49 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 11:40 pm 


Povetkin and his team ALWAYS have issues. What else is new!?

Posted June 4, 2013 11:36 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 11:09 pm 


I guess one question is “Would a vulture be able to feed on Andre Dirrells career, or die that die too long ago even for a vulture?”

Posted June 4, 2013 10:58 pm 


Ask Sam Soliman about German testing – they found him positive after he beat Sturm, then a neutral lab in the US finds his B sample clean.

Germans still have the other half of B sample and refuse to retest it.

I love the German people, Berlin is a hell of a city, their football is awesome, and I drive a TT because Germans know what is what.

But German boxing has some shady elements.

Both parties in this instance could agree to a neutral WADA accredited lab to do the testing, or split the samples and both test.

If this issue derails the fight it is because someone doesn`t want it.

That someone is puddingbowlhead.

Posted June 4, 2013 10:55 pm 


Also I would like to know how Pov can be classified a cash cow, he is a ranked HW yes, and I guess that alone brings in money as long he fights but a cash cow, I dont think he fits the true meaning of the word

Posted June 4, 2013 10:48 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Gonzo’s Double Trouble Vulture Fact of the Day (two for the price of one)

3. Unlike many raptors, vultures are relatively social and often feed, fly or roost in large flocks. A group of vultures is called a committee, venue or volt. In flight, a flock of vultures is a kettle, and when the birds are feeding together at a carcass, the group is called a wake.

4. Vultures are carnivorous and eat carrion almost exclusively. They prefer fresh meat but are able to consume carcasses that may have rotted so much as to be dangerous for other animals. This gives vultures a unique and important ecological niche because they help prevent the spread of diseases from old, rotting corpses.

Posted June 4, 2013 10:48 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Pillow-Biter Pete, That was the point mental giant, there are no greats currently…

Posted June 4, 2013 10:44 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 10:28 pm 

0.000000000001 gram

A trillion ton is good heavy weight.

Posted June 4, 2013 9:16 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Ha, cool to see Anselmo in the house.

Posted June 4, 2013 8:49 pm 

Scooby doo

Scrappy doo could beat Ward, let him at em, and Kelly Pavlik the ghost.

Posted June 4, 2013 8:27 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Angelina: Oh, it all makes sense now. If you hadn’t spent a lot time around obnoxious, juvenile males… you probably would’ve scattered immediately– like a scared little bunny… LOL. Any legit K2 fan is a friend of mine;)

Posted June 4, 2013 8:08 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Hey, what’s up Philip H. Anselmo? Haven’t seen you on ESB since Vitali nearly hammered Shannon Briggs to death. You’re dead on the money about Wlad, Pov and that ass-clown Atlas. Don’t be such a stranger, man. We really like hearing your take on Klitschko fights from time to time.

Posted June 4, 2013 7:56 pm 


Who will be showing the fight in the US, or not.

Posted June 4, 2013 7:37 pm 


everyone knows that ERNIE BTCH IS AN OLD TIME NOSTALGIST AKA NAZIST TROLL AKA BLIND AMERICAN PATRIOT. He has no clue about actual boxing. He only wants to praise his compatriots, past local US champs, like featherfisted clay and holmes and that rapist thaison.

Posted June 4, 2013 7:33 pm 

Philip H. Anselmo

Wlad will destroy Pov, period.
That is, if Pov really wants to fight….
Wonder what Teddy “Mushmouth” Atlas thinks?
Be cool all-

Posted June 4, 2013 7:29 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 7:27 pm 


Squared-Circle thank you, very nice ! I grew up with just brothers, so I’m kinda used to it :)

Posted June 4, 2013 7:02 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Welcome to ESB, Angelina! We have way too many resident cyber-boys who haven’t talked to a lady for years, and not nearly enough mujeres like yourself. As you can tell, there are some super-knowledge guys and a whole lot of hard-core boxing debate/discussion. Just try not to get too turned-off by all the trash talkin’ and school yard pick-up lines… LOL. Take this friendly advice, from someone who’s been on ESB for years, and you’ll have a great time.

Posted June 4, 2013 6:38 pm 


Angie & Ernie ! LOL !!!

Posted June 4, 2013 6:33 pm 


The fight will inevitably happen, they just want everubody to discuss the fight and provide mixing comments to the public.

Posted June 4, 2013 6:15 pm 


Who cares, isn’t povetkin the same guy who got pummeled by a cruiserweight not long ago, Wlad might not be the most exciting to watch sometimes but when he fights former cruisers he wins by ko or ud, that’s what proper hws are suppose to do

Posted June 4, 2013 6:06 pm 


Povetkin pulled out in 2008 because of injury and then backed out a second time in 2010 ! Hello ? Klitschko was ready to fight then !

Posted June 4, 2013 6:03 pm 

top hat

Nameless. I agree with you. Ive been saying this for ages

Posted June 4, 2013 5:54 pm 


Flashback to ’08 where’s Teddy when you need him to hide behind, Alpo?

Posted June 4, 2013 5:06 pm 


nameless – brainless

Posted June 4, 2013 5:01 pm 


Nameless. Great shout

Posted June 4, 2013 4:55 pm 


Oh and Tko6

Posted June 4, 2013 4:48 pm 


Wlad is the one whose manager has been complaining and he is the one who said earlier this week that he will walk away. Wlad insists on his own secret german testing and his own ref who want call his grabbing. Wlad is the one with the fkin problems. Joke champion who has faced 4 bums in a row

Posted June 4, 2013 4:47 pm 


ernie-You are a fool! lol!

Posted June 4, 2013 4:41 pm 


this fight does not matter all the hw are all bums

Posted June 4, 2013 3:53 pm 


lennix lewis stopped vitali in 6 ds what dum ass white boy is in doubt

Posted June 4, 2013 3:52 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Povetkin looking for a way to duck Wlad as he has four years already. He’s irrelevant.

Posted June 4, 2013 3:44 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 3:43 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Go make me a sandwich then…

Posted June 4, 2013 3:35 pm 


Hope this fight happens and trust me povetkin will be a really tough opponent for wlad. You all write him off but this will be close. This is the big heavyweight fight of the year

Posted June 4, 2013 3:33 pm 


move forward to pulev-wlad 2013. Popkin go become famous and fight Wilder.

Posted June 4, 2013 3:29 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 3:29 pm 


This is complete crap. Wlad wont sign anything until the drug test thing is sortrd. Povetkin will be ready

Posted June 4, 2013 3:14 pm 

no clue

HOLA to ESB old time warrior RAYGORDON

Posted June 4, 2013 3:09 pm 

no clue

“fans waiting for this match” ? what fans? Any real fan knows that this bout is a gross mismatch and Povetkin will fold like a broken umbrella under Wlads jab alone.. Povetkin is vastly inferior to WK in each and every boxing aspect and the only reason why this fight has been stalled so long is his handlers dont want to turn their cash cow into a sacrificial lamb

Posted June 4, 2013 3:08 pm 


Povetkin should have his Boxing license stripped forever because he is just a big waste of everybody’s time!

Posted June 4, 2013 3:05 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 2:57 pm 


” we know it’s really tard” ??? “lick balls ???” T’es un vrai connard !

Posted June 4, 2013 2:52 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Angiebaby(we know it’s really Tard), If you don’t like what I write, don’t read my posts, and while you’re at it, lick balls…

Posted June 4, 2013 2:45 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 2:19 pm 

K Tards

Povetkin is looking for a way out, why not talk about that instead of moaning about Lewis?

Posted June 4, 2013 2:08 pm 

K Tards

Lol.. It only to one post for the K Tards to come crawling out of the woodwork..

Posted June 4, 2013 2:05 pm 


LOL ! Lennox knew, Vitali would beat him, so he ended his career before Vitali does.

Posted June 4, 2013 2:01 pm 


Not Lennox stopped Vitali. And why didn’t he want a rematch ? Hm ? But Lennox was a really great fighter, no question about that.

Posted June 4, 2013 1:57 pm 



Posted June 4, 2013 1:53 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

K-2 Queen, Do you mean the multi-millionaire Lennox Lewis who stopped Vitali when Lennox was in the worst shape of his entire career?
Still whinning over a ten year old loss is really played out…

Posted June 4, 2013 1:49 pm 


For Olympia 2016, Wlad has to go to APB, this means, he will lose his 3 belts. But as APB Boxer he can face better opponents. This is in an german article today.

Compiiment to the Author Vitali here, a serious article and not a CONTRA WLAD.

Posted June 4, 2013 1:23 pm 


Pvetkin just dont want vlad! Simple and plain! Not for any amt of money!

Posted June 4, 2013 1:19 pm 

K-2- Fan

A lot of well informed people in the business , predicted Povetkin and his team would try to find any and all measures , NOT to ACTUALLY fight
Wlad . Money doesn’t seem enough , when you have to face a Klitchko . As
was evidenced once before , with Lenny Lewis .

Posted June 4, 2013 1:02 pm 

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