what everyone seems to forget is that boxing is a spectator sport and im sorry but no fighter in the last 15 years in any weight division has had the run of fights that carl has! how quick everyone is to forget but how many times was froch the underdog in his fights? v taylor?vabraham?vkessler?vward? and bute dont even get me started on bute before that fight he was ranked no 1 in the division so dont tell me it was an easy fight or not a big fight it was. no other sm could walk through the shots bute threw but carl did bute was not as overated as people think i dont think he will ever beat froch but i do think he will do well against ward or kessler im not saying he will beat either of them. so in my eyes is carl froch hall of fame quality? is a man who consistently fought the best at the time in a age of meaningless fights and titles, a man whom is always entertaining in an era of boring fights and mismatches or a man who had been the underdog in world title fights on 5 seperate occasions and won three of them?
Forget the fact that nobody ever beat Calzaghe let alone KOed him and only 1 fighter — a consensus HoF — knocked him down.Posted August 31, 2012 2:20 pm
it’s a good call. Most of that lot you name above will be retiring around the time of froch and I’d say most are nailed on hallers and certainly bigger names than froch. In stark opposition to some of the weaker names from past years that are in the hall, I believe it will be the strength and popularity of the current crop of retirees that may keep him out. Too many good (but not great) boxers have gotten into the hall purely because they were the biggest name that reitred in that era. Against him too is the fact that the SM division is prob at its strongest ever and with the rest of the division so strong, froch wouldnt really be missed. If it was dire without him there then it would definitely look more favourable for him being voted in.Posted August 31, 2012 1:31 pm
what a stupid statement. Tszyu was undisputed LWW champ and dominated the division for years, why would he not be in the hall? Calzaghe was undisputed SM champ and retired undefeated, why would he not be in the hall?Posted August 31, 2012 1:18 pm
thank you for addressing Tyler’s retarded comment before I had to.Posted August 31, 2012 12:20 pm
I hope we get to see Froch vs. Pascal II after Kessler.Posted August 31, 2012 11:48 am
just watched ringside and i’m 100% sure that carl on the night he k.o’d bute would of done the same thing to joe calzaghe if they’d of ever fought !Posted August 31, 2012 11:21 am
Agree, Kessler has a great personality which fits very good to the English people as Froch has to the Danish. Froch was very populare here in Denmark due to his great fight but more important his open personality. Two very fine boxers. I would favour Mikkel in both DK and GB. Peace.Posted August 31, 2012 11:00 am
Concerning weight. Kessler could not do enough sparing up to the Calzaghe fight, and gained a little weight up to that fight, otherwise, he is as sharp as a viking, all year round. Vikings were not boxing sharp of course, with all the bear they drank, and their diet :cool:Posted August 31, 2012 10:31 am
I agree with most of that, but please remeber that Kessler has no problem keeping weight, he has problems gaining weight, and going into Lhw. Kessler looks the same all year round, like Froch, when it comes to weight. I think that people are still on the Froch vs Bute hype train. Kessler is favourite against Froch in Nottingham. Froch really can’t hurt Kessler, so there we are, Kessler is the best boxer. I am quite sure that Kessler will be treated as well as Froch was treated in Denmark, where people really liked his personality.Posted August 31, 2012 10:27 am
Why would these three fights put him in HOF discussion? Really? Yusaf Mack has pretty muched failed at every title opportunity he’s had. Not only that those losses have ALL come by knockout. Froch just dismantled Bute, a person that most boxing experts have been screaming to be overrated. He has only fought B level competition, with the exception of a Glen Johnson and we know that Johnson of a 2007-2008 would have had Bute for breakfast. And what would a second win over Bute prove anyways? It wasn’t a close fight, he won by knockout. Keesler on the other hand would be a big win, but I doubt that Froch would be able to beat him seeing how good Keesler looked in his previous fight and he’s punching so much harder as well. I’m not even sure if Keesler could make 168lbs still. Either way, I think Keesler would stop Froch this time around. So to answer the authors question, NO! Going 3-0 in these fights would not, should not put Froch in talks for HOF.Posted August 31, 2012 10:20 am
The latest Ward rigged fight —I heard he is fighting a bum in Oakland —just watch it on youtube, two days later the fights are always on youtube.
Well lets just say that -if anyone can handle Froch in Nottingham, it is Kessler. Froch would beat Ward at home. Without all the holding, and dirty tactics, Froch would certainly me able to Ko Ward, just like Kessler. I recognize that eventhough Froch won on points against Dirrell, Dirrell simply ran to much, that would be a difficult fight for Froch. This is, if Dirrell is the Dirrell from the Abraham fight.
That’s a good point right their.Posted August 31, 2012 10:04 am
Same here. :mrgreen: DIdn’t read your second post, sorry. :wink:Posted August 31, 2012 9:50 am
Flawed? Why? I’m saying that Froch DESERVES to be in the HOF although he has no chance to ever win vs. Ward.Posted August 31, 2012 9:49 am
MK – I disagree with him not travelling well. He schooled Abraham on his travels and has only lost to Ward and Kessler, Kessler being a tight one with mitigating circumstances. Ward is one of those horrible awkward fighters that are a nightmare to fight. I wouldn’t really want to see a rematch and have no interest in seeing Ward fight. I would like to see Froch have the Bute and Kessler fights then give the British Hot Shots Groves and/or DeGale a shot at him – He can then poke a finger at Joe and go out in style.Posted August 31, 2012 9:25 am
U still have to fight Dirrell again and Ward to finish his legacy as a HOF fighter like Calzaghe.Posted August 31, 2012 8:25 am
Froch has earned my respect. Mack is a well-deserved soft touch for Froch after so many difficult fights in a row. Rematches with Bute and Kessler would surely be entertaining. But I’d be seriously disappointed if Froch beat Mack, Bute, Kessler, and then retired without at least trying to avenge his loss to Ward, THE best fighter in his weight class. He’d essentially be admitting that he doesn’t think he could beat Ward.Posted August 31, 2012 7:37 am
Also – and you heard it here first lol – Do NOT write Bute off in their rematch. I was shouting from the rafters pre the Froch fight that I really fancied Froch to win, and due to the bookie’s great odd on a Froch win, I had a considerable bet and won myself a nice few quid. My opinion on bute was that he had not been in with someone of Froch’s level, was fighting away and was going in with a really heavy puncher. Every one was shooting me down pointing to Bute’s set of skills, and whilst I aknowledged this I thought the things going for Froch would swing it in his favour. But now everyone seems to have switched camp and completely writing Bute off. Whilst I aknowledged Butes skills previously, everyone now seems to have forgotten them. They also seem to forget he is now the one fighting at home. For me to not give Bute the chance that he can make the relevant adjustments is to seriously under etimate him.Posted August 31, 2012 7:02 am
I think Froch’s situation is a difficult one. One one side of the argument, the points in this article are enphasised. Three time world champ and the quality of his opposition. However on the other side there is plenty going against him as well. To be a three time world champ at the same weight it meanst that you have lost title bouts on two occasions. Yes other fighters have losses on their records. but we’re talking in the prime of Froch’s career. The Kessler loss is a real stinker for Froch as well. Whilst the fight may have been a closely fought contest one one repect in the other it was still clear for all to see who watched it that Froch clearly came up short against the better man. This wasnt the first loss Kessler had been on the wrong end of either and he was clearly outpointed when he stepped up in class against Calzaghe and then Ward. So for me a big part of Froch’s career is pinned on a rematch with Kessler. It will be Froch’s chance to prove he had a bad night and avange this loss. This will really single himself out as the second best fighter of his era in a time when there was really good opposition out their. It would also give him a comparable win to that of Calzaghe’s as Calzaghe has the same achievement under his belt. So he would be entitled to a hall of fame place with a kessler win. Without it I think its fair to say Kessler is the better fighter and would more deserve the recognition.Posted August 31, 2012 6:52 am
RAY GORDON REID
FROCH OVER MACK BOXING HALL OF MAYBEPosted August 31, 2012 6:43 am
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NN, Carl Froch will not for a long time then be considered a Hall of Fame material if he retires inside 3 fights its to early in his career for a retirment if he wants to become an all-time great.Posted August 31, 2012 6:28 am
With dirrell you just need good cardio – you dont risk that he is throwing any big bombs. Good boxer with the smallest balls and heart in boxing.Posted August 31, 2012 6:10 am
I consider Kessler and Froch to be the real deal, in the smw division. Eventhough Froch is much much better fighting in Nottingham, compared to travelling to the states (maybe Canada), I would be cautious about feeling that he can easily win his last 2 fights, Bute and Kessler. Froch will come under enormeous pressure in Canada, and he does not travel well. How anyone can think that the Kessler fight will be like the Bute fight, because it takes place in Nottingham, is beyond me. I really like Froch, but I consider Kessler to be to strong for him, in every way. Who cares what people think of Froch, he is a top fighter, look at his resume.Posted August 31, 2012 6:07 am
I think the whole Hall of Fame is a ridiculous thing. They should close down the whole hall, pure waste of time.Posted August 31, 2012 5:26 am
ooops should have read the rest of your post. Apologies :-)Posted August 31, 2012 2:52 am
Mike Tyson is in the HOF, he didn’t beat buster douglas.
The above list would suggest your reasoning is flawed.Posted August 31, 2012 2:51 am
???? name the number of champions Froch has faced… Ok name the number of HOF’er he has on his resume…. Now ask that same question about Floyd and Pacquiao and you see that Froch fun to watch great for boxing but not hall of fame.Posted August 31, 2012 2:49 am
Right. Calzaghe is in and should not be the measuring stick for Froch. Two different careers completely.Posted August 31, 2012 2:43 am
A fighter who consistently seeks to fight the best and win 9 out of 10 times deserves to be in there.Posted August 31, 2012 2:40 am
DirrellPosted August 31, 2012 2:38 am
my thoughts exactly bro.Posted August 31, 2012 2:37 am
go froch . . . would be nice to see another dance with Kessler and then Ward. Don’t know if Forch could make a dent of difference in fighting Ward again. Ward got nothing to gain.Posted August 31, 2012 1:45 am
On the plus side for Froch he`s had a run of opponents as good as any in the sport, and has displayed an attitude that is almost out of place in todays boxing world. He has a chin made of granite and turns up to every fight in amazing shape, getting stronger as the fight goes on.
Flipside he`s never truly been no1 in the division, and he is only a multiple world champion because he has lost the title that many times. He`s also been outboxed for large periods of his fights – by Taylor and Dirrell (when Dirrell stopped running).
I want him to get in, he is a great example of someone making the most out of what they have been given, and displaying a no nonsense attitude to making fights and actually believing in themselves. I just think it is more than likely that when he retires, he`ll probably find himself in the same year as some multiweight world champs, or long term champs who will keep him off the list. People like Klitschko, Mayweather, Pacman, Hopkins, Cotto, Tarver, Holyfield, Kessler, Haye, Morales, Barrerra, Marquez are going to be announcing retirements in next year or two and it only takes 3 from that list to retire in the same year and Froch isn`t even on the ballot, let alone beating people already waiting on the ballot like Naseem Hamed.Posted August 30, 2012 11:59 pm
Froch is awesome…but not HOF.Posted August 30, 2012 9:51 pm
Imo it’s in Froch’s hands whether he gets into the HOF or not. If he retires early he could miss opportunities.
How can Kessler be a safe fight? Other than Ward who could make him a harder fight?Posted August 30, 2012 8:27 pm
Mack, Bute, Kessler. Yeah, what the hell, play it safe until he retires. I’m very disappointed to learn this. Oh well, got to hang on to that belt.Posted August 30, 2012 8:25 pm
He has to do more than just win a title and then lose it a couple fights later. He has to avenge his loses or take on more comp. I like Froch and am a big fan of his, he brings it everytime and is entertaining. But he is not yet hall worthy and fighting 3 more times, the likes of Mack, Bute who in my opinion was overrated and then Kessler is not a hall of fame career. It is however a decent career but not hall of fame worthyPosted August 30, 2012 8:17 pm
I’d rather see a rematch with Dirrell than any of those fights.Posted August 30, 2012 7:58 pm
Take the winner of Dawson/WardPosted August 30, 2012 7:53 pm
definitely.Posted August 30, 2012 7:35 pm
There are worse fighters than Froch In the hall of fame, so for me it’s a yes, his list of opponents over the last couple of years has helped me make up my mind…….he has shown some more high profile fighters, how it should be done, and for that should be applauded.
Why should Calzaghe not be in the HOF?Posted August 30, 2012 6:54 pm
Following the guy from about his 7th fight. Very hard to call. He looked a bit desperate in his pursuit of Calzaghe, which is undoubtabley respected now, but his lack of personality and generally low key marketability hurt, add the fact that it was widely felt that he was unproven. He has more than made up for all of it though. Still, I feel he hasn’t been in so many fights for his age, although the recent few have been almost incomparible in todays boxing world. If he had 10 more ‘W’s to his name against good proven opposition, then yes. Though I still reckon he may someday have a chance providing a flawless finish to a pretty damn impressive career.Posted August 30, 2012 6:53 pm
Froch isn’t that old and he seems like he’s got a lot left in the tank. But I’m not surprised he’s talking retirement. Three opponents in 1.5 years and $6M or so added to his millions of pounds ain’t bad. Bet he sticks around longer though. He’s got a model GF who likes screaming and probably likes spending dough too.Posted August 30, 2012 5:28 pm
It also has to be noted that Carl Froch won a Lonsdale belt out-right + the Commonwealth title & was ignored by the EBU for a European championship fight allthough his career! HOF deffinately!!……….Posted August 30, 2012 5:28 pm
Maybe, but if Froch still holds a belt (even a Micky Mouse one like the IBF) then Froch/ Pascal should be made @ 168LB!Posted August 30, 2012 5:23 pm
If Kostya Tszu and Joe Calzagne can make the BHOF, then I see no reason for Froch not to make it in… I didn’t give him much credit for his win against JT at the time… but since the Super Six… he has warmed up to me. Other than his screaming gf, there’s nothing wrong with Froch.Posted August 30, 2012 5:23 pm
At 34 time’s starting to run out for the UK’s current #1 P4P’er (Carl Froch) & only return fight’s against Kessler & Ward will get him any respect in the USA & the Ring Magazine Belt. Unfortunatly Ward will never fight outside of America, so as good as he is will always have home advantage & as with PBF will never gain the respect he maybe deserves outside of his own country.
Heck Yea!!! No doubt about it. Already his resume is 1 of the best in recent years, including Manny’s and Floyd’s…Posted August 30, 2012 5:17 pm
Quite possibly the worst thing I’ve read on here so have had to register just to reply…firstly let’s get out of the way the amazing statement that you have to be an Ali,Robinson or Leonard etc to get in the Hall…it would be a pretty small Hall if you were in charge!!
Froch – Mack…doesn’t do anything for his resume.
Also I would like him to honot his agreement and give Pascal a rematch.Posted August 30, 2012 5:02 pm
Haha DOES not dies. Typo, sorryPosted August 30, 2012 4:42 pm
Beat Ward or/and Pascal in rematches then definitely. Both are big asks but no one could question if he dies. Great career either way.Posted August 30, 2012 4:41 pm
He’s an exciting fight with a lion’s heart, but I can’t see him win vs. Ward. So, I think it’s alright to call it a (good!) career after a few more fights. Cobra is a real man who walks his talk. HoF? Yes, why not? Look who else is in the Hall of Fame! Why not Froch?Posted August 30, 2012 4:31 pm
Hey cmon Cobra you promised Pascal a rematch, at light heavy that would be great fight.Posted August 30, 2012 4:23 pm
Guess he isn’t thinking about “shutting Pavlik up” anymore. Froch can’t avoid right hands……Pavlik has his number…..noone can stand there eating Pavlik right hands and win. That is a terrible style for Froch’s attributes. :cool:Posted August 30, 2012 4:14 pm
Not a chance:
The fact is, he’s an awesome fighter, but you’ll need more than those 3 wins to be HOF. Remember, you’re talking the same league as Ali, Robinson, Leonard etc…with that HOF title.Posted August 30, 2012 4:01 pm
No – Not yet!!!Posted August 30, 2012 3:42 pm
The Cobra is a class act. Please let us get more fighters like him.
If he fights Kessler again I will give him few chances to win even in Nottingham. Kessler has his eyes fixed now and Froch cant outbox Kessler to a points win. KO would IMO be the only way to win against Kessler but that is not likely to happen.Posted August 30, 2012 3:38 pm
As Michael Buffer is in there (darn those pesky microphones) I think Carl has every right to be in there as well – I only hope for those in attendance on the day that Carl has a shorter inductance speech than Buffer’s 1 hour snooze-fest!Posted August 30, 2012 3:22 pm
I think with wins over Taylor, Pascal, Johnson, Dirrel, Abraham and Bute he’s just about there imo. I thought he beat Kessler but hey-the judges said its a lost so it is what it is, but it shouldn’t take him cleaning out a division or 3 more big names just to make him worthy of HOF when he’s done alot as a fighter already. Bute, Dirrel and Pascal received their first lost to Froch-I think he’s already HOF worthy, but 1 more good win-just 1 more good win and he’s a shoe in IMOPosted August 30, 2012 3:15 pm
A win over Mack won’t prove anything. Neither will a second win over Bute, since Froch already beat him so convincingly. Beating Kessler would be impressive, but I’d want to see a trilogy in that case (assuming the fight is close). You almost have to ask is Froch HOF worthy right now?Posted August 30, 2012 3:13 pm
No he will not be hall of fame worthyPosted August 30, 2012 3:08 pm
Who will remember Mack or Bute in the next 5 years?