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DaTruth Hurtzzz

There’s no Fkn way DelaDruggie and Cinnabums people will let him anywhere near GGG even at 154lbs.. GingerBuns will have to continue fighting 140lb’ers or shot 147lb’ers… Canelo would get knockedafkoutCold… and Canelos people know it…

Posted July 28, 2014 12:46 pm 

DaTruth ass Hurtzzz

Why you complaining now? That wasnt the case when you wanted Lara facing Canelo. Always an excuse for haters. Lara fans want Canelo to face off with GGG but wont back up their hero Lara. No faith in Lara? Why dont you all want Lara facing GGG first? Thats what I thought. Sit down and shut up.

Posted July 24, 2014 5:06 pm 

DaTruth Hurtzzz

Damn! Canelo Cankles Alvarez looks 30+lbs heavier then Lean Lara…

Posted July 23, 2014 1:04 pm 


Gentlemen, are we still talking about the gift, unjust horrible decision Canelo was given over Lara. The only way to look at the fight is to use the scoring criteria judges should be using in boxing. I re-watched the fight plenty of times even trying to give Canelo rounds, and anyway you cut it, he was dissected and decisively beaten. Clean Punching goes to Lara, Defense goes to Lara, Ring Generalship goes to Lara, punch percentage goes to Lara. Effective aggressiveness does not go to Canelo. He was helpless, desperate and frustrated. Lara easily won 8-9 rounds. If a rematch takes place, Lara knocks him out. Canelo is one dimensional, telegraphs the same punches over and over and has horrible feet. He can’t even cut off the ring. I was mesmerized by how effective and efficient Lara was. A tactical boxing lesson at the highest level if you understand boxing and know how to score a fight without bias. Forget the styles, just look at the criteria for judging a boxing match and you will clearly see total domination by Erislandy Lara.

Posted July 22, 2014 8:44 pm 

East Side Boxing has no self-respect.

This much is the only thing that stands out with clarity in Green’s poorly constructed argument, since while Lara is a gifted boxer-puncher, he is not the type of fighter any “purist” would choose as a standard bearer for defensive technique. He is not a Floyd Mayweather, whose defensive prowess has carried him to the pinnacle of the sport; Lara is also not a Paulie Malignaggi, who relies almost entirely upon his slick skills in the ring. In missing that Lara is not the kind of defensive grand master that some boxing purists adore, Green has also misunderstood that both Alvarez and Lara are boxer-punchers, albeit of different stripes. That reveals an understanding of the sport of boxing so obviously and fundamentally flawed that his editorial could never have been published by a self-respecting website, but as we know very well, East Side Boxing has no self-respect…

Posted July 22, 2014 3:40 pm 


“When guys get close he grabs and leans on them. Idiots jump on his case for that—but he not going to let a shorter guy punch when he’s close.”

Tark, nobody is an idiot for jumping on Wlad for doing that. A good ref will warn Wlad for his excessive leaning, holding, and clinching and then penalize him when he continues to do it. Every “idiot” boxing fan in the world had a right to complain about Klitschko’s performance in his lean-fest “fight” with Povetkin. What a pathetic display of sh*t that was.

Posted July 22, 2014 10:58 am 


“Alvarez won rounds 4-5-6-7-8-9…”

No he didn’t, Love-the-sport. You really need to buff up on your judging skills. If you really knew how to judge what you were seeing, you wouldn’t have given Canelo six straight rounds, because he NEVER won six rounds in a row.

Posted July 22, 2014 10:50 am 

Coward of the county

LOL What is this below me….. what? you are too coward to address the people you are addressing directly? man up and say the name of the person you are addressing.

Posted July 22, 2014 2:40 am 


BTW, Bears.., Lara’s cut was caused by freaky punch much like the Lewis’ shot that caused the first Klitschko cut. The punch wasn’t hard, but it sliced. I’ll give Canelo that round, but it wasn’t the best punch of the fight.

Canelo tried to work the cut but wasn’t able to do it efffectively. Lara’s eye was never swollen, and his corner got the cut closed. It wasn’t a big factor at all.

Lara landed a vicious right hook, and several hard straight lefts that snapped Canelo’s head back way better than anything that connected with Lara… Those muffled body shots didn’t do damned thing and never slowed Lara down.

Posted July 21, 2014 10:45 pm 


Lara boxed Canelo’s face off and should have gotten the decision… This happens too often in Boxing.. This is why Boxing gets little respect from many in the media.. The best don’t fight the best — and when they do robberies often occur.

Lara is no Rigondeaux, but he did more than enough to win.. When you score more, better, and sharper punches, and also beat your opponent up … you should win.

Posted July 21, 2014 10:37 pm 


BEARS you big fat sack of lard. Shut ya yapper. You have nothing to say. Your performance on YouTube sucks nearly as bad as ya performance with ya girlfriend. It’s the talk of the town. They call you Mr. 60 second man!

Posted July 21, 2014 3:27 pm 


everyone knows?! delusional a$$ claiming to be in touch with “everyone”

gotta be sredmond i not u are the same kind of mental midget

“everyone knows” ROFLMAO @ u

Posted July 21, 2014 3:15 pm 


Throw as many insults as you like BEARS, it’s clear to everyone you are a bonafide racist. Truth hurts don’t it, SON?

Posted July 21, 2014 2:41 pm 


B E A R S what will you do when your Soviet hero Wladmire Klitschko retires?

Posted July 21, 2014 2:33 pm 


Shock, horror! David Price has pulled out of another fight. This dude is going nowhere on a moped. He needs to get someone to teach Jim to throw a jab. Nathan Cleverley is a bad KO just waiting to happen. BELLEW is going to knock his block off.

Posted July 21, 2014 2:26 pm 


Btw BEARS, you are a very racist dude. If we did a test and select any 10 of your last 100 posts, it’s a very high probability that there will be something racially offensive written by you. Why are you so racially twisted and have to bring up a person’s color? Did you lose your job or your wife or your home and you now blame it on a person’s skin color, rather than on your own inability to perform to a satisfactory standard to keep your job, wife or home? Take it on the chin and grow some balls and own up to the fact that you suck worse than A Joe Bugner fight! People read your posts and sadly you come across as racist, bigoted and a bully. Something for you to think about, Son!

Posted July 21, 2014 2:08 pm 


BEARS you are an ignoramus. Wladimir could not beat anyone ranked in the top ten of UFC. They would choke him out and break his leg very, very quickly. He may be the best Hevayweight boxer and I give him props for that, but to think he is the best fighter on the planet is quite delusional. I would even go as far as say that the odds come right down for any fight he has outsides the confines of a boxing ring. He is a boxer and not a fighter. Vitali on the other hand likes to fight!
Talking about a joker, I just watched Tyson Fury looking like a baby giraffe on ice trying to run. I still can’t believe this guy is a ranked boxer. He looks like a friendly giant who is quite, quite uncoordinated outside a boxing ring.
I think Wladimir will give him the worst beating seen inside a boxing ring this century if they ever meet. He’s a joke!

Posted July 21, 2014 2:02 pm 

DaTruth Hurtzz

The Key to 175+lb Canelo getting his Mojo back is going back to his good old days of fighting 140lb’ers like Josesito Lopez.. that’s where he really shined!!! ROFLMAO… it’s obvious he has no business fighting anyone at or above 154lbs..

Posted July 21, 2014 1:52 pm 


Ha irony. Eastside biggest racist B E A R S telling someone not to be racist.

Posted July 21, 2014 1:42 pm 


you should try to not be racist dude it clearly embitters you

Posted July 21, 2014 1:00 pm 

DaTruth Hurtzzz

So why Doesn’t Canelo fight Martinez next? instead of 147lb Joshua Old Man Clottey next? It would be a good gauge to see how he compares to Cottos win over Martinez.. Are Canelos people that insecure about his Boxing abilities vs anyone anywhere close to his true size??

Posted July 21, 2014 12:24 pm 


Brilliant article. In amateur boxing Lara won. In the proffesional Alvarez won. Excellent point on Mayweather.

Posted July 21, 2014 12:03 pm 


**that super six was not filled with bada$$ tAlent by any means though more like the where are they now dudes of boxing. some rugged dudes like glen and carl and then u have ward.

i would love a post shoulder surgery froch vs ward rematch in nottingham with froch judges and ref and a rowdy froch crowd throwing sh!t as much home advantage as ward has had

and i would be just fine with froch saying phuk ward and fighting other dudes

Posted July 21, 2014 11:41 am 


Bears, Ward is EASILY one of the most well respected boxers in the sport and everyone knows his skills are premium including GGG who called him “Great” he fought BETTER fighters with more vetting than MOST between Dawson, Kessler, and Froch they had fought Pascal, Dawson, Adamek, Bute, Calzaghe, Dirrell, Johnson, Tarver, Hopkins and the list goes on… 168 was a STRONG weight class and its depressing for YOU that Ward cleaned it out, he needs to be more active but the reality is that the same 2 players are on top (He and Froch) and he already gave it to Cobra Carl…You treat Kessler like he was a nobody which is BOGUS meanwhile you are slurping the scrotums of Kovalev and GGG for beating NOBODY absent Macklin and Cleverly… You simply have no real feel for the sport and Tarks coddling of your DAFT opinions gives you the false impression that you make ANY sense…

Posted July 21, 2014 10:41 am 


@Bears.., I know there’s FAKE Bear posts, just like there’s a lot of FAKE TARK posts.

The punch that opened Lara’s cut wasn’t an outstanding punch and didn’t move Lara. It was a freak shot like the thumb strike Lewis used to open a cut on Vitali’s left eye.

Lara’s corner closed the cut. Canelo targeted the cut, but was not able to work the cut that well or swell Lara eye up. Lara won the last 3 rounds so the cut wasn’t bothering his performance that much.

More forceful punches were a brutal right hook landed by Lara and several hard lefts landed by Lara. Canelo never landed anything close to that hard.

Posted July 21, 2014 10:25 am 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

Magnificent article.

Posted July 21, 2014 8:54 am 


“Hitting and not getting hit might win trophies in the amateurs, but the aim of professional boxing is entirely different. It is simply to inflict more damage on your opponent than you receive in each round.” Exactly. All the profanity laced tirades in the world cannt change that simple truth. If you understand and acknowedge this, than the real question is whom did more damage to whom? If you honestly feel that Lara did more damage in the majority of rounds, you can award him the decision; however, to simply say he deservd the victory because he gave a “boxing lesson” belies a complete lack of understanding of the very principles of the sport.

Posted July 21, 2014 8:45 am 

g. garibaldi

Trianuz, well said

Posted July 21, 2014 5:14 am 


^^just read that fake BEARS post below. i dont know who is masquerading as me but you should have known that was not me TARK. dude does not even sound like me

but he remembers some terminology i use to describe wlads jab. sad a long time poster would do that. what a turd draggin this site down

Posted July 21, 2014 3:27 am 


just read that fake BEARS post below. i dont know who is masquerading as me but you should have known that was not me TARK. dude does not even sound like me

but he remembers some terminology i use to describe wlads jab. sad a long time poster would do that. what a turd draggin east side down

Posted July 21, 2014 3:20 am 


i thought they had an effect.

i think like kovalev and 3g canelo is something special. having gone through the dude who broke ortiz jaw mosely trout lara and taking part in the highest grossing ppv event of all time by 22 and pro at 15

canelo is just a kid man he has damn 20 years left no telling what this kid will do and how much money he will make

Posted July 21, 2014 3:02 am 


tark you were just talking cleverly up on the hopkins thread.

u references he had only one defeat and had some form of a championship.

now he is void of talent? whats up dude ?

Posted July 21, 2014 2:56 am 


i never said that TARK.

also canelo certainly did land body shots and the best face shot inthe fight making an instantaneous cut

Posted July 21, 2014 2:53 am 


BEARS says.., “score Canelo’s SAVAGE bodyshots”

A savage body shot is the jab Kovalev used to KO Agnew in his last fight.

A savage body shot is the liver shot GGG used to KO Macklin.

A good body shot is the liver shot Khan floored Maidana with.

90% of Canelo’s body shots landed on the back, on the arms, or low… They had no effect of Lara and Lara won the 10th, 11th, and 12th… He was faster than ever… A good body attack slows you down.

Posted July 21, 2014 2:44 am 


Which is exactly what Froch has done.. Poor Ward.. He was praying that Groves would win the Froch rematch.

Groves is as devoid of boxing skills as Kessler — and Cleverly.

Posted July 21, 2014 1:09 am 


that super six was not filled with bada$$ tAlent by any means though more like the where are they now dudes of boxing. some rugged dudes like glen and carl and then u have ward.

i would love a post shoulder surgery froch vs ward rematch in nottingham with froch judges and ref and a rowdy froch crowd throwing sh!t as much home advantage as ward has had

and i would be just fine with froch saying phuk ward and fighting other dudes

Posted July 20, 2014 10:04 pm 


then froch avenged with even better scores but this all transpired AFTER the ward bout. i like kessler and love froch and love glen johnson but i think we should no grossly inflate anyones boxing skills as kesslers best win was froch who avenged it with better scores.

i have not studied much kessler outside the ward bout. i actually did not realize kesslers resume was so thin

Posted July 20, 2014 9:58 pm 


“Kessler’s best win was Mundine”

True enough Bears.. Anyone who gave Kessler the 1st Froch fight is BLIND

Posted July 20, 2014 8:26 pm 


bringing up the super six is old. the only two dudes who have not fallen off the map are froch and ward and in a way ward has fallen off the map himself.

super six is extremely old news are people gonna keep referencing it 5 years after. kessler abraham dirrel taylor ALL DONE! again kesslers best win was mundine.

i think some make a bit much out of the super six. its more like the super “where are they now” is it not?

Posted July 20, 2014 6:42 pm 


cotto is a fake at 160. now he is trying to fight non 160 pounders and hand titles off to non 160 pounders it is disgusting and even more disgusting is sredmond saying its cool and then saying the king of 160 should just up and move up in weight while ward who has nothing at super middle worth a phuk unless he wants to grovel at frochs dinner table and make a TON OF CONCESSIONS to go fight at nottingham.

ward has failed repeatedly. he wont make the best matchups he has fought twice since 2011 and he has two failed attempts at arbitration with his promoter to get out of his contract. dude should be treated how he deserves and wiped off the p4p list. nobody around pro boxing is backing wards plight

Posted July 20, 2014 6:13 pm 


The ricans and cubans are never gonna give canelo cred no matter what he does. At least the mexicans will support fighters from the opposite team as long as they are not fighting one of their own. The show love to aggresive styles regerless of where they are from like tito, paquiao, cotto, duran and most resently chino. Canelo has a fan friendly style, but he will never get props from the ricans.

Posted July 20, 2014 4:32 pm 


168 is not really a weak division.

Posted July 20, 2014 4:27 pm 


Author is right in a way. But he was a little over the top criticizing the technical/defensive fighters. He made a good point by pointing out the difference between Floyd and Lara. While Lara was jumping back and back peddling like a deadly animal was lunging at him, Floyd somewhat stays in the pocket and counter punches way more effectively. Also Floyd nevr really looks like he is trying to avoid the plague by back peddling and often times will be the aggressor. He was walking down Mosely in the 2nd half of that fight and was coming at Cotto in the 2nd half too. But the author makes a good point, I just think he went a little extreme with it.

Posted July 20, 2014 3:15 pm 


Your right boxing is a sport of hitting and not being hit. But what Lara was doing was running. There is a difference in running and boxing.

Posted July 20, 2014 1:38 pm 


Ward can rule his division as long as he wants… Bears is just pissed cause he’s not losing and he’s terrified GGG will end up in that ring with him and get embarrassed..!!

Posted July 20, 2014 1:25 pm 


What a non-sense article! It is called boxing i.e. hitting without getting hit and not being a human punching bag.

Posted July 20, 2014 1:16 pm 


Im pretty sure if Ward doesn’t get a fight or has one scheduled this year he will be removed. As for fighters having to move up. I don’t think that is true. If they are comfortable at their weight class then they can stay there. Try and make some sort of history. Not all fighters can move up and win.

Posted July 20, 2014 12:50 pm 


The case against the author – pure rubbish.

Posted July 20, 2014 11:31 am 


Great article,

Posted July 20, 2014 11:16 am 


B e a r s being salty because none of his hero’s are on the pfp list. which of you Soviet heros should Andre Ward be replaced by. Kovale, Golovkin or Lomachenko?

Posted July 20, 2014 11:03 am 


u what division is weak as hell? super middle. froch and ward need to fight dudes in other weight classes cause there is nothing at super middle

two fights since 2011 i think wards career is about over please update the p4p rankings accordingly and remove ward fromthe two hole

Posted July 20, 2014 10:55 am 


This author does not understand the meaning of “purist” in boxing. Try to understand boxing just a little st first, then worry about pure, dirty, boring any other delusions you might enjoy.

Posted July 20, 2014 10:26 am 

Tomato Can

Still the fight could have gone either way which wouldn’t have been the case if Lara would have let his hands go just a little more.

Posted July 20, 2014 10:22 am 

Tomato Can

This author doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Running isn’t what boxing purest like to see. Lara didn’t provide a boxing exhibition, he wasn’t able to stay in the pocket and counter. Although he made Canelo miss badly throughout the night, he didn’t provide enough of his own offense to offset Canelo’s constant pressure. boxing purest like to see an elusive fighter that is able to out land his opponent by a wide margin, while making his opponent miss badly. Lara didn’t do that.

Posted July 20, 2014 10:20 am 

keep it real

agree oscar won that fight easily. He was robbed.

Posted July 20, 2014 10:08 am 

keep it real

canelo is a good fighter but will never look good fighting a slick boxer. Superstar? no way!

Posted July 20, 2014 10:07 am 


I keep it real, I was going for Tito in the oscar fight. Tito looked just like Alvarez at the end of that fight. Oscar beat Tito easy. I was happy Tito won but u dumb ass fans want to make up some excuses about oscar running the last rd. it was a fix and if u don’t believe that then u r just stupid.

Posted July 20, 2014 10:06 am 

keep it real

the last judge must have gotten paid of he blind as a bat. I had Lara outclassing canelo and winning the fight. Canelo said he came to fight, idiot it’s called boxing you impose your will on the other and fight your fight not the others. lastly for a guy who didn’t come to fight Canelo fight looks beat he might want to find out who beat the hell out of him.

Posted July 20, 2014 10:03 am 


Watched a re play of the Canelo/Lara fight . No suspense but still a good fight. Lara out boxed Canelo but Canelo out fought Lara . Take your pick as to who won , I think the decision for Canelo was right since he pressed the action.

Posted July 20, 2014 8:31 am 


I saw the re-broadcast of Alvarez vs. Lara on Showtime. I think it is clear that:

– Fight was close … either fighter could have gotten decision

– Nobody was “robbed” of a decision … fight was close either guy could have won

When I saw the fight live I thought Alvarez won 7 rounds to 5 but either fighter could have won the decision.

When I saw the rebroadcast I felt like it was a draw. Basically Lara won first 3 rounds and last 3 rounds. Alvarez won rounds 4-5-6-7-8-9 and in particular I though Alvarez won rounds 7 and 9 huge with the big upper cut that cut Lara and big combinations to the body.

When I saw the rebroadcast I felt like the ring size was big — too big for Alvarez and too big for boxing in general.

If purists want to celebrate technical boxers who throw 1 or 2 punches and then run — the solution is a smaller ring.

Smaller ring size would be better for boxing overall, it would create more action, it would limit any fighter from running, it would create more knockouts.

The ring was too big for Alvarez. Advantage went to Lara in terms of the ring size and that is probably why the fight was close. In a smaller ring, Alvarez probably catches Lara to the head as well as the body and wins outright.

Posted July 20, 2014 8:08 am 


Philip Green, that article was the biggest load of crap I’ve ever read. Well done :)

I could go through a very long list of pure boxers who stand out as the very best that boxing has ever seen but I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain it to you. As for “Mayweather is a special case” that was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. He’s not, he comes from a long line of great pure boxers who Floyd has studied deeply to become the excellent boxer he has been and still is today. Floyd has said on countless occasions all through his career that the art of boxing is the art of hitting and not being hit, that’s why he’s one of the greats of boxing, because his pure boxing skills have been honed on those he has studied to make him the best he could possibly be at the sport he loves. Your ridiculous article Phillip insults all those pure boxers like Floyd and Rigo and Lara and Ward and many others besides today and from Boxing history. To slate millions of fans of pure boxers as “snobs” shows your total ignorance of the sport of boxing. You’re an idiot Phillip, but by all means keep farting out your warm diarrhea to those millions of intelligent fight fans who respect and enjoy watching pure boxers.

Posted July 20, 2014 7:46 am 



Oscar ran from Trinidad for 3-4 rounds and lost the fight. But Lara ran for 9-10 rounds and lost and people are crying robbery.
Posted July 20, 2014 5:31 am

Oscar out boxed/fought Tito for 7/8 rounds … And then RAN for 4 ….Sure Lara RAN … Though Canelo could do nothing but swing at nothing but air …….

Posted July 20, 2014 6:15 am 


SERIOUSLY, THE LAST guy I saw run in the ring was when Amir Khan literally RAN away from the beating Marcos Maidana administered from about round 8 thru 12.
If Khan had a pair of track shoes you would have thought his Athens Silver was awarded for the running events!
I’ve not seen a guy run like that for many a year, plus the ref was in his pocket!

Posted July 20, 2014 5:24 am 


Take off the pillows girls. Fight like a man

Posted July 20, 2014 4:12 am 


Sad day for Boxing says.., “Floyd’s revenue number can be explained away by other reasons other than for the most part, people wanting to see Floyd do a chess match in the track … I don’t think Klitschko is a runner so you can strike him out.”

Mayweather and Klitschko are both adherents of the Sweet Science.. Klitschko does a massive amount of foot work for a heavyweight.. He has a lot of height and range so he uses his feet to create distance.. When guys get close he grabs and leans on them. Idiots jump on his case for that—but he not going to let a shorter guy punch when he’s close.

Lara used footwork to give himself room to punch.. Lara fought him inside at times and connected with some nasty right hooks – but for the most part he created space with his feet and outpunched Canelo by a wide margin all night long, when they were at range.

Floyd’s numbers reflect 18 years of professional success in 5 weight divisions… People want to see the best and most skillful boxer — and Floyd has the reputation of being that man.

So you don’t know WTF you’e talking about.

Posted July 20, 2014 4:04 am 


crap article!
could have condensed it into, i like offensive style, you have to agree with me, if not your wrong!
how about us fans who like both offensive and defensive styles?
styles make fights, some work some dont.

Posted July 20, 2014 3:57 am 


Lil’ floyd’s nuthuggr..,”Just watched the Canelo vs. Lara replay. I had Lara winning 1,2,3,10,11. I had Canelo winning 4,5,6,7,8,9,12. Lara’s eye, nose and mouth were bleeding, and I’m sure he still hurting from those wicked left hooks to the ribs”

It’s just totally stupid to give Can 5,6, and 12.. Lara was not bleeding from the nose and mouth either you dummy. He had a cut eye from a freaky punch that barely made contact, but Canelo had the messed up eyes and face. Canelo was battered. Lara looked fine except for the eye. But his eye wasn’t swollen or badly damaged at all, like Canelo’s right eye.

Body punches didn’t do a thing to Lara. He was as speedy in the 12th as the 1st.

Most all CA’s body punches were deflected by Lara’s arms, were low, or hit Lara’s back.. Obviously they weren’t scoring blows but they were counted for the punch stats.. They were smothered and ineffectual.. Canelo should have been sternly warned for his many low blows and hitting the hips—but Byrd just gave him a few mild gesture warnings without stopping the action. That’s why the punch stats gave Can 97 connects which is a joke. He didn’t land close to that many punches.

What I think is interesting that, when Floyd fought Guerrero, Byrd broke tons of clinches and was extremely verbal with Guerrero with warnings.. When Canelo physically grabbed Lara he said nothing. With Guerrero he was yelling NO NO NO NO NO!!! Byrd’s a house referee all the way and obviously favoring Canelo.

Posted July 20, 2014 3:46 am 


Sports fans are paying to see boxing. Floyd! Irrefutable fact.

Posted July 20, 2014 1:44 am 


Technical boxers like Floyd eat guys like Canelo for lunch. Watch the Maidana rematch when Floyd boxes to a wide decision. Canelo had every advantage in this fight, RING SIZE and WEIGHT. Lara would have made him look like a fool in any other ring.

Posted July 20, 2014 1:41 am 

The Committee to Reform Boxing

The first news article from EastSideBoxing that I actually read fro beginning to end. Great read Philipp. You nailed it.

Posted July 20, 2014 1:40 am 

The Committee to Reform Boxing

We need to reform boxing and and reject runners and chess matches.

Posted July 20, 2014 1:33 am 


25/1/2003 bad day for purists, purists are essential, there like cloaked druids of a secret order, we bemoan their dated ways and methods , but yet they are and allways be .

Posted July 20, 2014 12:58 am 


Phillip – if this is the case then Maidana should have been given the win against Mayweather this past May! Did you looked at Mayweather face after the fight he was a mess. Chino landed more and was the aggressor. Chino chase Mayweather all night and clearly had command of most of the fight. If u want to called apples oranges that is a personal decision. If you want to claim that popularity or crooked business should give u a advantage! We already know!! We are not stupid as u think! Called us purist called as naive one thing is for sure we already know boxing advisors, promoters, networks, boxing writers have an agenda. We all have to pay our bills!!

Posted July 20, 2014 12:37 am 


Showtime P. Malinaggi needs to be objective, if he is going to favor his manager, Haymond’s fighters, he needs to not work on the broadcast if one of the fighters of his manager fights. He missed the fight last week. I felt Brian Kenny was right on the money.

Posted July 19, 2014 11:32 pm 


Canelo won the fight. His adjustment in punching to the body, really bothered Lara. This is why Lara did not do to Canelo what he did to Austin Trout. Lara defensive running would have been more effective if he was countering and jabbing consistently, but he would go three minutes land 5 or 6 clean shots, while Canelo lands 13 or 14 body shots and is pushing the fight. Now yes there were a few rounds were Lara really landed some shots, but no controversy he lost.

Posted July 19, 2014 11:29 pm 

sad day of boxing


Sad day for boxing says.., “Boxing gaining popularity worldwide? Im sure it is not because of chess matches. People are interested in boxing because they want to see a good fight, not runners.”

Total BS from you!!!

And speak for yourself.. Floyd is a chess player and everyone knows it.. He’s not looking to bomb anyone out and he produces the top revenue pulling fights of all time.

A lot of idiots will also complain about Wladimir Klitschko’s style… but he’s the top money maker in the Heavyweight Division… Fortunately he has a lot more fans than detractors.

Here’s the way it works… There’s 7 billion people in the world and you only have to get a small fraction of them to watch a Boxing match… Any fool can spend 10 bucks at an amateur boxing event and watch 10 fights with kid bombing away at each other.

If you want to see boxing mastery, the PPV costs a little more than that.
Posted July 19, 2014 10:13 pm

@tarr Wel, from the original comment about boxing gaining popularity worldwide…one should asked, what is the reason behind that? Surely it’s not because of chess matches and runners.

Floyd’s revenue number can be explained away by other reasons other than for the most part, people wanting to see Floyd do a chess match in the track.

I don’t think Klitschko is a runner so you can strike him out.

Posted July 19, 2014 10:57 pm 


Sad day for boxing says.., “Boxing gaining popularity worldwide? Im sure it is not because of chess matches. People are interested in boxing because they want to see a good fight, not runners.”

Total BS from you!!!

And speak for yourself.. Floyd is a chess player and everyone knows it.. He’s not looking to bomb anyone out and he produces the top revenue pulling fights of all time.

A lot of idiots will also complain about Wladimir Klitschko’s style… but he’s the top money maker in the Heavyweight Division… Fortunately he has a lot more fans than detractors.

Here’s the way it works… There’s 7 billion people in the world and you only have to get a small fraction of them to watch a Boxing match… Any fool can spend 10 bucks at an amateur boxing event and watch 10 fights with kid bombing away at each other.

If you want to see boxing mastery, the PPV costs a little more than that.

Posted July 19, 2014 10:13 pm 

Game of Bro’s

Then go watch Mma taco butthole

Posted July 19, 2014 9:51 pm 

Game of Bro’s

So pacroid gets praise for fighting a former kick boxer . But Floyd gets hates on because he fought a proven very good fighter that basically beat Khan but the judges have Khan the fight.

Posted July 19, 2014 9:48 pm 

Northern Bustard

There’s boxing the sport and there’s boxing the business and all you little girls better learn to tell the difference before this Northern Bustard has to slap some sense into you carrot-fcukers.

Posted July 19, 2014 9:05 pm 


JoeKidd I second that.

Posted July 19, 2014 9:03 pm 

DaTruth Hurtzzz

These Canelo Groupie Imbeciles can rationalize Canelos most recent sh!T performance anyway they can but it won’t change the fact that Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit.. not a Tijuana Cantina Drunk Tough Man Contest.. Lara Boxed and bruised up Canelo all night long… Lara’s one mistake was trying to avoid Canelo a bit too much while Boxing Canelos Ears off giving the Paid for Judges wiggle room to gift rounds for Canelo… All Lara had to do was stand his ground abit more and continue to Box Canelos ears off and it would’ve been an Easy win making it harder for the Crooked Judges to gift Canelo the fight..

Posted July 19, 2014 9:02 pm 

DaTruth Hurtzzz

Bottom line is Lara Boxed Canelos Big Floppy Ears off all night long.. Busted up his face and Cut his Eye.. It was just another Major Flop showing for Canelo.. he’ll be Lucky to get an undercard fight on the Next Cotto vs Mayweather or Paq MegaPPV Event!!

Posted July 19, 2014 8:57 pm 


If you know the game, a real professional-purist will set up a knock out end of story

Posted July 19, 2014 8:46 pm 


Author’s out to lunch. It’s not your technical genius or aggressive style that wins you fights! Follow the MONEY! And btw, Lara did outpoint him. If Lara’s name was spelt F-l-o-y-d, it would have been scored a shutout! But since I hate that style, I don’t mind Canelo getting the gift. It’s a boxing match but still a “fight”. The idea is to hurt the guy, not to tickle him.

Posted July 19, 2014 8:44 pm 

Sad day for boxing

@Tar Boxing gaining popularity worldwide? Im sure it is not because of chess matches. People are interested in boxing because they want to see a good fight, not runners.

Posted July 19, 2014 8:05 pm 

Sad day for boxing

Glorifying boxing runners is putting the sport of boxing into a less popular position. People want to see a good fight, not a chess match and a track and field competition.

Posted July 19, 2014 8:01 pm 


Taco Bell lies…, “boxing is losing relevance because it is being surpassed in terms of excitement by other contact sports….. particularly MMA.”

That more stupid crap from you Bell… Boxing has been gaining a far wider global audience every single year lately… Boxing is THE NUMBER ONE combat sport IN THE WORLD.

And it WILL be from now on… I love MMA… MMA is a wonderful sport that combines Boxing with every other combat discipline… but anyone who is truthful knows Boxing continues to blow MMA out of the water on a global scale — and for fan and PPV support MMA isn’t even close.

Posted July 19, 2014 8:01 pm 


Taco Bell says.., “The damage Lara received from Canelo’s body shots clearly had more effect than the pitter patter shots he was dishing out as they slowed his running down a lot, while Canelo simply walked through his offence.”

That’s the dumbest crap I ever read.

Lara never slowed down you idiot… He won the last 3 rounds and was going full speed. Pitter pats didn’t bruise and bust up Canelo’s face.

Saul was hit with the harder shots. Other than a few punches that got through, Canelo was punching air, arms, Lara’s back, punching low—or generally not landing clean effective punches throughout the fight. Lara got screwed again.

Posted July 19, 2014 7:52 pm 


i have a question for Taco Bell. So would you recommend all boxer fight like Gatti and Ward to make it exciting for you and risk brain damage. Should they fight to entertain and look out for their owe well being while in the sport.

Simply put some fighter have the skill to hit and not be hit and some don’t. Boxers will do what their best at, that why we have different styles of fighters. Not every one can fight like Mayweather and not every one can fight like Foreman. Just because boxing Purist Love the Sweet Science of Boxing and can enjoy all types of bout doesn’t make it wrong. It seems that people like you need to learn to appreciate the art of boxing so that you can enjoy more bout and not just the Gatti/Ward slug fests.

Posted July 19, 2014 7:33 pm 


i gave ring generalship to canelo personally i find it hard oftentimes to give it to the guy backing up.

decisions suck in general they can be very subjective and sometimes u flat out disagree with the decision. its best to fight with the aim to not let it go to the cards if u ask me

Posted July 19, 2014 6:19 pm 


Tark my friend, very well said.

Posted July 19, 2014 6:03 pm 


The writer obviously doesn’t appreciate great defensive boxers that dissect their opponents piece by piece as Lara did to Canelo. Each had his own style, but Lara imposed his style of Canelo, and Canelo looked foolish and desperate as Lara kept his cool, calm demeanor throughout the fight. Defense as you know is a key point to scoring a fight. I didn’t see Lara bumbling and stumbling and missing punches by three feet. Why you might ask? Because he had control of the fight. A boxing match is not scored on how much the fans like the fighter or his style. There is set criteria that judges should follow to score each fight. Lara totally dominated the Clean Punching criteria. Lara dominated Ring Generalship without question. Lara more than dominated Defense. And Canelo’s aggression was not nearly effective. How many times did the fans in attendance become quiet as Lara was sharp shooting and picking Canelo apart? The numbers all added up to a clear Lara victory, but when you have a judge that filled out his card a month ago, and you’re not promoted by GBP/Oscar, and they have a cash cow that they’re trying to build and develop as the next great Mexican boxing champion, you have all the cards against you. Until boxing gets rid of it’s corruption, fighters like Lara will have an uphill battle in their careers. I wonder what the decision would have been if Lara was being promoted by GBP/Oscar? We all know the answer to that.

Posted July 19, 2014 6:01 pm 


This author says.., “People spend their hard earned money to see excitement and drama and want to witness a real gladiatorial spectacle. One of the reasons why so many young fans gravitate toward MMA is because organizations such as the UFC are acutely aware of who pays the bills and who is ultimately in charge of their sport. Not a bunch of snobbish purists.”

These ignorant remarks are total BS—from an extremely unknowledgeable writer..,

The boxer landing the most punches is creating the most excitement. The rules for professional boxing allow you to use footwork to maneuver around the ring. If the ring had 20 square feet to maneuver in, instead of 400 square feet, you would see a lot more slugging and extremely brutal fights. Obviously that’s not what we have.

Boxing is “The Manly Art of Self Defense” NOT “The Brutal Art of Brawling.”

MMA players learn to strike with fists, backfists, hammer blows, elbows, feet, knees, and shins… Frankly, I love MMA.

MMA combatants master wrestling, muay thai, boxing, ju-jitsu, karate, and the full assortment of fighting arts—PLUS dozens of submission holds and escapes. What makes MMA so fascinating—is the synergy of combining various fighting arts and employing one versus the other—NOT the brutality, which is an unfortunate but necessary byproduct.

If you love brutality you’re evil… Many folks are evil, so don’t feel like the Lone Ranger… Love of brutality is a super common human weakness … for women as well as men.

Boxing is vastly different from MMA. It’s the Sweet Science of pugilism. A boxer can make up to 50 times what any MMA fighter makes. People love the science—or why would Floyd Mayweather be the world’s most popular boxer??? … He’s a master not a mauler.

Erislandy Lara used the Sweet Science to defeat Canelo Alvarez — i.e. on anybody’s scorecard who has a high IQ… 20/20 vision… knows the scoring criteria for Professional Boxing… and has a genuine desire to award the fight to the true winner—rather than the boxer he loves best.

Posted July 19, 2014 5:58 pm 

Bo Bo Olson

When I was young, I didn’t like Pop and Uncle Mayweather, they ran too much. Jr. runs more effectively, hit more and is a step up better than his relatives. He is not there to fight but box.
Willie Pep would be well hated today, instead of well liked in his day.
Footwork is a word that is often miss understood, as is the term jab, of which there are four.
Lura, two judges saw the fight slightly differently….the third was bought.
Every one knew Lura was going to run.

Way back about ’70 I saw a fight….One man said he was going to be the matadore to the others bull. The other known for his bullish tendencies. A shocking fight….the bull came out counter punching and retreating, drawing the unprepared matadore into deep waters, out boxing a boxer.
After the fight bullish fighter who wasn’t as dumb as expected, said….why should I fight the fight he was prepared for bulling in for the matadore. No one knew the guy could counter punch until that fight.
Some thought it boring. I remembered that unexpected fight well through the decades. Don’t remember who fought.

What matadore like Lura is going to go horn to horn with a bull? And some believed the hype.

Posted July 19, 2014 5:33 pm 


i would not call lara c class te tumbo. excluding canelo who is gonna beat lara at 154?

Posted July 19, 2014 5:30 pm 


I can’t wait to see this fight tonight. I will get back to you after I see it for my self.Coach White

Posted July 19, 2014 5:23 pm 


The best boxer beats the best fighter/brawler 9 out of 10 times.

Posted July 19, 2014 5:16 pm 

Sweet Sugar

I love the sweet science, make them miss, and make them pay for it, like pernell whitaker, money, marquez at 126, rigodeaux. Lara did an excellent job of making canelo miss, but he forgot to make him pay for it.

Posted July 19, 2014 5:11 pm 


Urone2 good post.

Posted July 19, 2014 5:11 pm 

te tumbo

Canelo is top p4p and Running Lara is a C class fighter.

Posted July 19, 2014 5:10 pm 


I keep seeing people put stuff like boxing is fighting, WRONG!!!!! Boxing is Boxing if it was fighting it would be called Fighting.

Posted July 19, 2014 4:49 pm 


I consider myself a boxing purist but your discription of a boxing purist is all wrong in what I would call a purist. What I like to see are boxing skill which come in many forms. Aggressive boxers that attack behind a jab faint and good foot movement. A boxer/puncher that moves well around the ring know when to attack and how to use angles. The pure boxers the slip punches counters use angles using all of their skills to setup punches while not taking as much damage.

Now Lara did not do that, Lara used his legs to run would only try to catch Canelo in between steps to limit the return fire he would be under. After waiting and ducking a punch instead of countering would run around the ring as if he had done something special. Lara did a punch and run not something I enjoy. For some to say it what Mayweather does I would have to simply say that person doesn’t know dodo about boxing. You see Mayweather in exchanges, he counters, most of his slips of punches sets up counters. I like it when a fighter can make his opponent miss while standing right in front of him counter make him miss again then counter with a combo. That to me is the sweet since.

In conclusion I think Lara Lost a close fight the he could have won if he was willing to counter and not just punch on the run.

Posted July 19, 2014 4:43 pm 


This writer is an idiot trying to justify that blatant robbery last Saturday.

Posted July 19, 2014 3:41 pm 


Lara had his right eye cut by an Alverez uppercut. So he didn’t come out unscathed

Posted July 19, 2014 3:28 pm 


great article..well said..boxing is all about fighting and displaying the attitude that goes with it…

Posted July 19, 2014 3:21 pm 


Boxing Runner
I thought Alvarez won the fight, but if we go by your criteria then Lara inflicted more damage on Alvarez. Lara landed some sting ping flush shots. Alvarez didn’t. Lara swelled up Alvarez’s right eye. Lara didn’t have a scratch on him..
But, what Alvarez did was he slowed Lara down with a steady, but not flashy body attack and he began to nullify some of what Lara did well in the first 5. At no point did Alvarez hurt Lara or inflict any damage on him. What Alvarez did was he manipulate the slide rule from round 5 to land more punches and take less punches until the last round. That is why it’s called boxing and not mugging. I scored it 115-113 in favour of Alvarez. But, if we were to look at boxing through this authors eyes, then the only winner we can see Saturday night is Lara as he inflicted the more damage and the harder blows that snapped back Alvarez’s head over the first half of the fight.

Posted July 19, 2014 3:06 pm 


Bobby Chacon won many fights when he had his face busted up and bloodied. He like many fighters was a notorious bleeder and won many fights where if you only looked at his face you’d be wondering if he was the victim of a mugging.
Some guys bleed, some swell up, but that means nothing so long as the ref deems them fit to fight. You sound like the type of person who will judge a book by its cover and seem to stupid or ignorant to actually bother opening up and reading the book to discover what is inside.
By your own reckoning Alvarez should have lost because he finished swollen and banged up whereas Lara didn’t have a scratch on him and Lara landed the single harder, flush significant blows in the fight.
Inflicting punishment is only part of a whole gamut of criteria on scoring and determining a fight.

Posted July 19, 2014 3:00 pm 

Boxing Runner Enthuse

“It is simply to inflict more damage on your opponent than you receive in each round. People spend their hard earned money to see excitement and drama and want to witness a real gladiatorial spectacle.”

—- The authors is absolutely right about this. The only people that would disagree with this is those people whose boy employ a certain style that is not very palatable to many people so they get defense and angry when people start to criticise them

Posted July 19, 2014 2:49 pm 


F#k bloody iPads.. The below should say how stupid

Posted July 19, 2014 2:48 pm 


“It is simply to inflict more damage on your opponent than you receive in each round. People spend their hard earned money to see excitement and drama and want to witness a real gladiatorial spectacle.”

What a load of ignorant b.llocks! Crap!
I would break down exactly Joe stupid this comment is, but I’m #fuming at this imbecile.

Posted July 19, 2014 2:46 pm 

Boxing Runner Enthuse

People don’t care about styles they just wanna see a good fight. The only people that seem to care much about styles is when their boy uses that style that is unpalatable to many viewers thereby they get defensive and start making excuses that people don’t understand boxing. That’s B.S.

Posted July 19, 2014 2:46 pm 


What boxing needs to do is try to educate the fans. I love what Atlas does on Friday night fights but those who watch it are knowledgeable to an extent anyway. I think if they did a segment like that for big fights it’d go a long way in initiating the casual fan.

Posted July 19, 2014 2:33 pm 


I agree that Lara ran and was never in range to counter-punch, and therefore lost clearly. I actually went back and watched Leonard vs Duran 2 (the “no mas” fight) because I remembered Leonard running the whole fight. But actually when I re-watched it, after these many years, I realised that Leonard was always in range to counter-punch Duran and even effectively fought his way off the ropes when Duran did catch up to him. Lara never once “fought” Canelo back…..

Posted July 19, 2014 2:06 pm 



Posted July 19, 2014 1:25 pm 


Floyd has started stating that he wants a fight the fans want to see, meaning he is aware of the criticism about runners in boxing and Floyd is doing something to address that. Good for Floyd. As you can see, even Floyd recognize and is aware of the problem about runners.

Posted July 19, 2014 1:19 pm 


As the Worlds Greatest Wrestler, Ric Flair Says, “To be the Man, you gotta to beat the Man”, and Lara didn’t, so he lost. This isn’t the tour de france, Lara was on a serious bicycle ride, should have rode back to Cuba.

Posted July 19, 2014 1:12 pm 

Martin “EL Bruchador” Honorio

The obvious fact is that Lara is there just to survive, to collect his paycheck. He knows that you have to knock out the house fighter in order to win, but he didn’t do it, he didn’t press the action… he didn’t even try to knock out Alvarez… he just run and run. People knows. And the interview after, he says a lot of things, that he won the fight… we all know what he wants… he wants a rematch… so he can collect again his paycheck. Sorry Lara, no paycheck for you… maybe if you win fights again by not running and then knocking people out….

Posted July 19, 2014 12:47 pm 


In my eyes lara kinda gave the fight away which sucks caus had he thrown 5 maybe 6 more punches in those rounds where my man circled the ring 3 times without letting his hands go I think he would of took it,

Posted July 19, 2014 12:09 pm 

Thurmal Mobile

Good article btw

Posted July 19, 2014 11:37 am 

Ell C

Styles make fights. The most boring fights are between two boxers with the same style. Debating styles anticipating matches, surprising upsets, and analyzing outcomes is what makes this sport so great. Purists and “Normal” fans debating will exist as long as boxing goes on.

Posted July 19, 2014 11:36 am 

Thurmal Mobile


That is the problem with Lara. Instead of taking 10, 15 or 20 steps back he could simply take 2 steps to the right or left and effectively counter. But he doesn’t. He did against Angulo but didn’t come close to doing that against Alverez

^for sure. Of course, 2 steps wasn’t enough to stay clear of ripping body shots by Canelo. He had to run or he would have been floored. Those body shots were really bothering him.

Posted July 19, 2014 11:35 am 

screwy louie

I think purists and non purists alike can agree the Lara failed to engage when ample opportunities were presented.

Posted July 19, 2014 11:32 am 

pactards r us

Mayweather often imitated never duplicated.Special is an understatement when it comes to Mayweather it seems that he’s getting better and better with his skills.When he was younger he used alot of lateral movement but this isnt the case anymore.People say he might be losing his wheels but he doesn’t need it because he makes you miss standing in front of your face.I don’t see Money retiring any time soon I see another Bhop in the making but technically better.

Posted July 19, 2014 10:33 am 


I’m more a fan of pure boxers vs. Brawlers and still feel that Lara ran more than he boxed. I don’t like brawlers such as the likes of most Mexican fighters because it requires much less skill to do. Standing chest to chest and seeing who can take the best punch, while exciting, shows a lack of skill. This is the reason these type of fighters get embarrassed by elite boxers. Fighters I like to watch:

1) PBF
2) Ward
3) Canelo
4) GGG
5) Rigondeax
6) Pac
7) Kov

Fighters I don’t like:
1) Bhop- holds to much
2) Lara after last showing
3) Amir Khan- can only fight with distance so he is one dimensional
4) Guerrero
5) Angulo- no skill, just hits hard and can take a punch

Posted July 19, 2014 10:26 am 

te tumbo

Excellent article. Btw, i submit that those of who consider fighting-spirit to be the primary factor for scoring a fight are the boxing purists. at it’s best, boxing is a contest boxing Aaand punching skills. “Hit and not be hit” indeed. unfortunately, Lara declined to hit enough in favor of not being hit at all, which is not boxing but running, which is not a fight but a Disgrace to the sport and piss directly in the faces of hardcore FighT-fans who pay to watch a competition NOT a dog racing after a rabbit. also, good distinction between what Lara did and what Mayweather does. Floyd invites opponents to fight His fight, which includes plenty of one-sided exchanges in Mayweather’s favor. Lara desperately avoided exchanges essentially conceding mastery of the combat range where PROfessional fighting takes place and THAT is why Canelo won 116-112 easy.

Posted July 19, 2014 10:14 am 


That is the problem with Lara. Instead of taking 10, 15 or 20 steps back he could simply take 2 steps to the right or left and effectively counter. But he doesn’t. He did against Angulo but didn’t come close to doing that against Alverez

Posted July 19, 2014 10:12 am 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Although I enjoy different styles, I prefer seeing at least one aggressive boxer in a match. Imagine a fantasy match up between FMJ and Sweet Pea – 2 amazing defences boxers. It would be a terrible spectacle for most fans. Gatti vs Ward, Marquez vs Vasquez, Castillo vs Corrales were much better matches. FMJ’s most explosive fights were always due to his opponent pressing and being taken apart. If Lara beat Canelo and then fought against FMJ it would have been like watching capoeira.

Posted July 19, 2014 10:00 am 


Good article; you’re in there to fight, if you don’t want to, try another sport.

Posted July 19, 2014 9:57 am 


The judges ruled that Alvarez won, but I say that he won ugly. Lara threw the clean, effective, shots and made Alvarez look awkward and uncoordinated. Alvarez really needs to improve his footwork; the question is whether or not he is capable of doing so.

Posted July 19, 2014 9:54 am 


I just enjoy watching fights and don’t judge people on what they like to see in a fight like this author and the people that he’s writing about. I can see from both sides… I loved Tyson’s aggressive style and I love Rigondeaux for his defense, which contrary to the author’s statement is more than just running. Lara does run a lot and could be a lot more efficient with his movement though. He runs so much that he misses good openings for counters.:

Posted July 19, 2014 9:51 am 

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