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You are totally stupid, drunk, and an idiot… Coaches I’ve associated with use the term finesse for clinching.

You want to make it look like you’re not holding? Like your opponent is doing the holding? You want to lock your opponent up so he can’t punch you in the ear in a clinch?

It takes finesse.

Posted June 4, 2014 7:23 pm 

Lord Kelvin

Noone uses finesse to describe clinching except you TARK.


Because clinching with finesse is cuddling, and cuddling a guy in the ring would be incredibly gay.

Posted June 4, 2014 4:35 am 


Noone uses finesse to describe clinching except you TARK.


Because clinching with finesse is cuddling, and cuddling a guy in the ring would be incredibly gay.

Posted June 4, 2014 4:29 am 


And Boxtra.., You also picked Angulo to beat Canelo.. Wrong on both counts

Posted June 3, 2014 9:18 pm 


Gonzales that is

Posted June 3, 2014 9:17 pm 


You weren’t. You picked oosthuizen to beat him and were WRONG AGAIN.

Posted June 3, 2014 9:16 pm 


Hunter was HIGH on Angulo TOO.

Posted June 3, 2014 10:35 am 


gonzalez. d level at best.

Posted June 3, 2014 9:51 am 


DeGale just KO’d Gonzalez.. He’s a good kid.. That was a great win.

Virgil Hunter has been very high on Gonzalez and he was undefeated.

Posted June 2, 2014 6:12 pm 


Hamster you’re an ignorant idiot… Finesse is a word many trainers use in regard to clinching skills..,

Such as, “You have to clinch with more finesse, like this, if you don’t want to be called for holding … You look like a cowboy wrestling a steer.”

Posted June 2, 2014 6:08 pm 



Point taken, and I agree Degale has not fought great opposition, but most importantly his lose to Groves did ‘ground’ him and focused him to drop the B/s and focus on the longer term plan.

The defeat to Groves was actually the best thing that could have happened to him.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:43 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Rustybucket Groves vs DeGale was a close but clear win for Groves. Since then DeGale’s comp has backtracked. While it’s good to dedicate yourself to the craft he’s not beaten anyone who was remotely a threat, so we don’t know if his skills have improved. Looks like the same guy to me.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:31 pm 

Turb0-H@mster doing science

TARK “Finesse” implies doing something with delicacy, and that doesn`t apply to clinching. Unless you are clinching a chick.

Try to learn some English.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:16 pm 

Turb0-H@mster doing science

Froch didn`t take over in the 5th entirely. Groves was actually starting to land bigger shots in the 7th, and start of the 8th

Posted June 2, 2014 5:13 pm 


who gives a hard job a great knob bob? Rachael Cordingley

Posted June 2, 2014 3:55 pm 


whats the difference between a hype job and a hard job. carl froch.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:17 pm 



Depends on your interpretation of the first Degale/Groves fight.
I thought Degale just nicked it, but actually lost the fight before the bell rang with his attitude.

While everyone has been looking at the bright lights, Degale has been learning his craft the old fashioned way.
For me, he has the style to beat Froch, but I doubt the fight will happen, as Froch wants America, and Degale is not a big enough draw.
But he will be a world champ.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:05 pm 


It was close on the scorecards. But in reality Froch took over the fight in the 5th. He used the early rounds to zone into Groves’ rhythm and what he was throwing. With each passing round Groves was in greater danger. Froch strated to attack him with savage straight rights and follow up flurries. Groves is a poor defender. He clinches with little finesse.

Froch had Groves beat before the end — just like in the 1st fight. Groves was a tad better in the rematch — but Froch was a lot better. He had a better camp.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:50 pm 


Froch got his redemption. The referee stole a decisive victory from Froch during the first fight. Now there’s no debate.

Posted June 2, 2014 9:43 am 



Posted June 2, 2014 5:23 am 


In my opinion having watched it a couple of times i had froch 4-3 up with groves doing best in the 8th until that one lapse in concentration and got caught with a perfect right hand groves looked to be getting on top landing some nice head shots i expected groves to go on and win on points but who knows?

Posted June 2, 2014 2:50 am 

Another sad day for Pactards

@ D….. Go cry on your mommies shoulder little boy…

Posted June 2, 2014 1:23 am 


Love-the-Sport- YOU can say that AGAIN.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:17 pm 


aficionado says every boxer deserves 100% respect. I don’t agree. duckers, cowards, punch bags, and cans don’t particularly deserve 100% respect. stevenson, floyd, martinez, hopkins, etc don’t

kovalev, rigondeaux, golovkin, crawford, garcia, klitschko, ward, and other guys who take on all comers at their weight do

Posted June 1, 2014 9:41 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

Beats by Froch

Posted June 1, 2014 9:26 pm 


degale is the future. LMFAO.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:33 pm 

Mick the Marmalizer

So anonymous: (You annoying retarded coward) Have you ever set foot in a boxing ring & felt the pain of a hook, uppercut or jab? I very much doubt it! Every boxer who enters the squared circle deserves 100% respect. Will you please identify yourself you self appointed tosspot, so we can know who you are?!!!………………

Posted June 1, 2014 5:47 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Degale is the future, he has it all, just needs to mature a little.” – Which is of course why he lost to Groves and has faced punching bags ever since.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:40 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Bigup to Froch for his spectacular KO win. I was pulling for Groves but the best man won. This dude’s one tough umbre.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:39 pm 


Who cares about scorecards interesting but irrelevant. CF knocked him the F@#k out game over.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:16 pm 


I’m just relieved Froch Koed Groves in fine form.
But, Degale is the future, he has it all, just needs to mature a little.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:06 pm 


judge: Michael Pernick 68-65 Groves

Posted June 1, 2014 4:55 pm 


another plank.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:47 pm 

Gonzo = mephisto = Turbo H@mster = Mongrelenko = Anonymous = DMX = It’s me, Ernie

this immature bloke is the worst serial multi posting troll this web site has ever seen….. Gonzo, mephisto, Turbo H@mster, Mongrelenko, Anonymous, DMX, It’s Me, Ernie…..are only a several out of the dozens of monikers this sad loser uses on a daily basis…….hes like a cyber terrorist who specializes in attacking the best commenters on ESB like Joseph Herron and TARK……

then when hes having his delusions of grandeur claims to be the #1 best poster in history of the internet…..this boy is a very sick chap with no social life and needs to be locked up in a padded room with a straight jacket……calling him funny only encourages this mentally deranged troll to flood this site with pure rubbish……

ESB was once one of the most respectable boxing forums in the world until this relentless troll ruined it like just another toilet at his institution for the the criminally insane…….as a Brit is makes me very ashamed to see one of my countrymen sabotaging the once great ESB…….its very sad really……

Posted June 1, 2014 2:10 pm 


That was a pretty novice punch George got tagged with….Carl threw a left hook,George got his right hand up and blocked…his left hand was down by his side,he should have had both hands up…a left hook is usually followed by a right…Told ya George wasn’t that good……back of the queue George…don’t call us we will etc etc etc….

Posted June 1, 2014 2:03 pm 


Stick with profit u sounded more educated

Posted June 1, 2014 1:31 pm 

Boxtra fan


Posted June 1, 2014 12:58 pm 

Boxtra fan

As much as I hate to admit this boxtra is pretty darn good. He time and time again correctly picks the flights and the winners and more often than not exactly how they will win said fight. I think it’s time people to recognize how great this guy truly is. He is easily the best on Eastside boxing but might just be the greatest fight profit ever born as he claims!

Posted June 1, 2014 12:57 pm 


groves showed real class by leaving the stadium in a double decker bus.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:53 pm 


i agree but this cat is futilely trying to make a case for groves. probably one o the many who lost money on groves. where is boxing barlow by the way? can not wait to hear what that dude has to say

Posted June 1, 2014 12:27 pm 


Courtesy of Mark from another thread…..

judge: Michael Pernick 68-65 Groves
judge: David Singh 66-67 Froch
judge: Alejandro Lopez Cid 66-67 Froch.

In actual fact the judges were split, 2 to 1 in favour of Froch. But regardless, these cards prove how close the official judges were scoring it. Froch was NOT dominating the fight prior to the KO! ….

Posted June 1, 2014 12:26 pm 


It was dominating from the middle of the 4th round on. You could see it in Groves face and actions as soon as Froch seriously went to the body. Groves was definetly ahead after 5 rnds, but he was going downhill each round.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:26 pm 


Doesnt matter what the Judges had. Boxing is made where a knockout throws the scorecards into the TRASH can. Going into the trash can to recover them is irrelevant.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:08 pm 


so they basically had the fight even and one judge had froch up by 2 points?

Posted June 1, 2014 12:03 pm 


So Groves was more accurate during the fight, landed more punches, and two of the three judges had him winning the fight prior to the KO …. Congratulations to Froch – it was a fine KO. ….But not the dominating kind of victory the British papers and Sky TV will brainwash you into believing.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:38 am 


Froch WON by Nottingham NASTY knockout just as I predicted!!!! I am STILL the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born! !!!!!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 11:18 am 


Froch is a Level A fighter Groves is not and that is the difference. It was obvious after the 4thround that is was just a matter of time that Froch would get his KO . The punch output was close but Groves was expending a lot of enenergy. Froch’ s movements were very controlled and he stalked Groves looking for that one good shot. Give Froch his due he is a great fighter.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:59 am 

Tinker bell

Box tra
Your mom is calling. Pants up. Open the door. Brush your teeth. Bed time.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:16 am 


Groves outlanded Froch by 126 to 96 in total punches connected .

Posted June 1, 2014 10:09 am 


I noticed that Virgil Hunter’s boy Brandon Gonzales got blown away by JDG last night.
I am still not convinced that Hunter is all that good of a trainer. Ward aside he has mostly been a (excuse the pun) duffer with the likes of Khan, Angulo and co.

Deep down he reminds me of a couple of trainers I won’t mention who have become a little Hollywood, now they’re getting a bit of airtime!

Posted June 1, 2014 9:20 am 


I said it weeks ago. Hurt locker ugly place Warrior Froch, thank you and good night x

Posted June 1, 2014 9:19 am 


Does anybody have the judges scores at the time of the knockout?

I had Groves winning first 4 rounds.

I had Froch winning 2 out next 3.

So, I had Groves up 5 rounds to 2 going into the 8th round.

Groves looked good. He keeps his right hand up. He has good leverage on his right hand punches. But he obviously keeps his left hand too low for too long. He got caught.

Not clear if Groves has much of a chin.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:18 am 


READING ROB SMITH’S review of FROCH vs GROVES II reminded me just why I no longer read what these so-called scribes write posing as articles. I only read the comments of the posters who generally seem to know more about boxing than guys like the incredibly large beaked ROB SMITH.

The amount of bias he has shown in favour of Groves and bitterness towards Froch is quite shocking! Anything he writes about George is positive and about Carl, negative… ‘George was winning the fight and made one mistake going to the ropes,’ ….. ‘Carl was rabbit punching but not fouling as much as the first fight,’

WTF is wrong with these hacks? Both guys boxed to order in a far more tactical bout than the first. Carl never stepped across except that one time to give George the opportunity to land and he immediately corrected himself and didn’t do it again, along with keeping just enough distance to have George reaching for him, whilst holding ring centre.

Carl was waiting to grab the middle ground which is what Kenny Anderson had shown was how to really get to George. Groves loves it long, where he can counter effectively, but up close and personal, he can’t cope.

ADAM BOOTH said he was extremely disappointed with the finish because it was something they had worked on since the day Groves had entered s gym, but never quite ironed out of George’s game.

George tried to hook with a hooker – FROCH set him up with a diversionary light left, knowing Groves would try to counter with his own, but Cobra’s right was sweet and like an arrow to his unprotected jaw!

Hopefully, Groves will calm back with some humility and keep his mouth shut in future, as to all intents and purposes it looks like it’s he that me needs the real help from a psychiatrist.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:12 am 


Tactics wrong – should not have left booth

Posted June 1, 2014 9:10 am 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Sauerlands gamble on Groves could become a major dud…There’s no way to know how a young fighter who thought himself unbeatable will react to 2 KO-losses in a row…That sh!t will mess with your head..So I expect Groves to fight 2 or 3 tune-ups before being exposed to top-level boxing again.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:03 am 


Ownerless Wild Ginger Cat squashed by Nottingham Mail Truck
Witnesse’s please apply . . . .

Posted June 1, 2014 8:40 am 

Kareem Abdul-Jabaar

Groves cannot handle the pressure when he backs up on to the ropes.froch will also KO DeGale, as he is far stronger.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:38 am 

Reality Bites

UFC which is controlled by Americans for Americans. Fedor dominated the HW and was unstoppabble. Gustafsson won that fight with Roy Jones seeing that picture of Roy with his face ballooned up like a tyre with lips looking ridiculous on a hospital bed with Gus smiling next to him. He looked like a car crash victim the only reason they let him retain his title is because White wants to protect his investment. UFC is now just a vehicle for White to profit by. Any half decent European or Russian fighter would defeat the American owned UFC.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:32 am 

Martin “EL Bruchador” Honorio

Let’s remember, at first, Froch does’nt want anything to do with a rematch with Groves, but because of the pressure, he stepped up and rematches Groves. Now, for me, that’s takes guts— you know– to face your fear and confront it. Carl Froch’s may not be as skilled as Wards of the world, but his pride and fighting spirit is second to none..

Posted June 1, 2014 8:28 am 


Nope. Boxy has a lot in his non reclusive life! ME making CORRECT and ACCURATE predictions TIME and TIME again in the REAL world allow me to LIVE a fairly comfortable life and enjoy the things I like. LOVE or HATE me, in the END I am the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 8:10 am 


Would rather see a 50 year old Bhop give Froch a boxing lesson.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:06 am 


Yes, the fight the world has been waiting for … A blown up 160 pounder who managed to scrape an alphabet strap at middleweight – JC Chavez….V….. Carl Froch. Can’t wait……

Posted June 1, 2014 8:01 am 


“Next up for Froch….Chavez Jr. in Vegas this fall. You heard it from me first. Please be nice to Boxy, this is all that reclusive moron has in his pathetic life.”
No actually froch was talking about it after the fight and before he even fought groves again.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:57 am 

Just The Facts

Next up for Froch….Chavez Jr. in Vegas this fall. You heard it from me first. Please be nice to Boxy, this is all that reclusive moron has in his pathetic life.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:45 am 


Did think Froch was going to win,really Froch was ripped-off in the first fight,the ref not letting him get a proper K.O. But Groves is still pretty young and Im sure learned from this fight,his career isnt over.Thats the problem with the fighters and young fans from this era…get a lost and your career is shot.Thats why we see so many times the best not fighting the best more often,and lots of cherry picking…people think you get a couple of loses its over.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:40 am 


who is rob smith.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:27 am 


Oh and the judges they had Froch winning.

Do they count?

Posted June 1, 2014 7:22 am 


Groves landed 126 punches. Froch landed 96. So clearly, Rob Smith has a point…….

Posted June 1, 2014 7:16 am 



Posted June 1, 2014 7:00 am 


I agree with the author. To almost everyone apart from Jim Watt and the Sky commentators, Groves was either on even terms or winning the fight. He wasn’t attackong quite like the first fight because he was pacing himself for 12 rounds. … I take nothing away from Froch tho. To deliver a KO in a fight that you’re not dominating is very impressive. …..

Posted June 1, 2014 6:59 am 


hey george if your gonna talk the talk make sure you back it hahahahahahah.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:53 am 

Hoity Toity

Beard – I totally agree. This guy is a joke.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:39 am 


Great performance from Carl last night, the fight panned out really well for him.
You could see how cautious this was gonna be from the opening bell, it was obvious groves was trying to pace himself, and not expend too much energy early on….every now and then it would explode into action for a few seconds , then go back to a chess match again.
To be fair most rounds were very close with nothing in it at all, obviously people will be split on who was banking the rounds, some favour carls approach others groves way of doing things.
One thing was for sure, as soon as things started livening up then there was gonna be fireworks,
Shame for George , just as he decided to step up his pace and set about trying to win some rounds conclusively and take a bit of control in the fight, Carl sets him up for a beauty of a right hand,george goes down heavy, with his leg bent double underneath himself.
Fight over.
Can’t help but think george should’ve started quicker like in the first fight, maybe just not loading up the power in every punch, but still trying to get Carl out of his rythym .
Either way , eventually the fight was gonna end up turning into a bit of a brawl, and when it did the smart money is on Froch, he seems to relish a tear up down the home straight, if groves plan was to conserve energy early on and fight fire with fire in the late rounds , you gotta question his plan, but admire his balls.
Not a great fight like the first , but one that you couldn,t take your eyes off for a second.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:14 am 


groves just another one of a hand full of average fighters who idiots think is something special.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:13 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Full respect to Carl”The Cobra” Froch. I was routing for George as was the majority of the pub I watched it in, but Carl came good. George will come again & would regain the British title + the EBU championship with ease. I also believe he could take out Sakio Bika at any given time. As for Carl the only fight out there for him is Andre Ward.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:44 am 

Stuart Pearce

I rather see Froch/Hopkins for Vegas! The Cobra will break The Alien’s neck before knock him out cold!

Posted June 1, 2014 5:43 am 


Massive froch fan here, well done to the cobra. I had groves up by a round at the point of the stoppage and I had him winning the 8th and taking over the fight. I felt all the way through that groves being a sneaky littl shlt was holding back and was waiting till the half way point and it seems I was correct because from the start of the 7th he upped the pace and his left hand started to fly. I was however disgusted with Jim Watt AGAIN! He gave groves credit for NOTHING. There was an exchange where groves landed 3 good shots and put froch on his heels, and in the exchange froch landed a jab that done nothing and Watt sais “good shot from froch”. wtf??? Volume off from now on I think!

Posted June 1, 2014 5:33 am 


Great result for Froch and I’m made-up for him! I figured he’d be a lot more cautious and work behind the jab but that was no huge surprise. Groves has speed and skill over Carl but there’s a relentlessness about Froch that is quite something to behold. I had Froch ahead on points at the time of the finish although Groves was in the ascendancy at the time but what a punch. Possibly Carl’s best punch even?! Groves looked like he’d been dropped from a great height the way he was laid on the canvas – staring up at the sky, motionless. A great night, a great occasion and a great finish from a great champion. Congratulations to the Cobra!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 4:50 am 


Froch could fight…. Ward, Kessler, Kovalev, Stevenson, Hopkins, GGG … A fight with any of these guys cud b made. ……. Who the Fk wants to c him fight a blown up middleweight/Chavez who was barely gd enough to win an alphabet strap???!!!

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Posted June 1, 2014 4:04 am 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

As skillful as Ward is, it’s harsh to blame Froch for them not having a rematch. Froch wanted a rematch in the UK, Ward said that as the champ he shouldn’t have to travel. Ward got injured. Froch was offered the Bute fight and took it. Ward had already signed to fight Dawson so Froch had his one gimme, a mandatory defence against Mack. Froch then chose the big money rematch with Kessler and had a fight of the year contender, took a mandatory against Groves while Ward fought a patsy as a comeback from his latest injury (not his fault but let’s not dress it up). Froch had this massive payday against Groves while Ward has been in a contract dispute and busy with injuries.

Froch’s people know that Ward has fought less since 2011 than FMJ did during his various ‘retirements’, he’s more of an inactive champion than Vitali was. How do you set your sights on a target that isn’t there? I rate Ward highly but he’s a small hall fighter who never fights and Froch probably has 2-3 fights left at best. I’d imagine he will take JCC Jnr in Vegas for big money, Kessler again for big money and then either retire or take the less lucrative Ward rematch (if Ward’s back fighting by then). The talk of Bika or Abraham is pointless as both fights would be small beer and dull affairs.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:59 am 


MEPHISTO, you are a clueless dickhead.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:34 am 


Why do people constantly bring up GGG? Who has he fought? The brings nothing to the table apart from wins over nobodies and the biggest name he has on his record is Macklin! The guy should not be mentioned at all!

Posted June 1, 2014 3:14 am 


The author is clearly a Froch hater! Surely, Froch is not the most sophisticated fighter ever, however his fights are entertaining and he has a huge heart and is a true warrior who fought everybody put there!

Posted June 1, 2014 3:08 am 


sauerland? these guys are rotten judges of talent if they ever thought groves would be as big as froch, or last as long. you’d think they’d wait until after this fight before they signed groves. he just got knocked out in his previous fight with the same guy.

groves talking about his contract with sauerland was a distraction to himself. you don’t sign big business deals when you should be concentrating on the most important fight of you life. froch went into monastic seclusion, and it paid off for him.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:52 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

I see “Gonzo the Dragonborn” is hard at work posting under my alias/handle while trying to get me banned from ESB. It’s not the first time he’s resorted to these childish passive-aggressive tactics. How disappointing for a guy who claims to be the only tier-one poster on ESB. I would expect that same type of behavior from a Jr. High school girl…lol.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:50 am 

john wayne

degale v froch might be good money spinner. might be bit premature for degale but its possible he’ll never be on frochs level so why not. frochs swansong and all.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:49 am 

TARK is a self admitted rapist

Excellent anal TARK


Posted June 1, 2014 2:48 am 


Reading between the lines sauerland will be putting on shows in England. what will the brains in Cardiff think of that..

Posted June 1, 2014 2:42 am 


Excellent analysis Tark. In the first fight Froch went all gung ho and was hurt badly in this one he’d worked out Groves’s flaws and allied to his not too iron chin it was lights out.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:34 am 


So, this is how it should be: GGG unifies at MW, and then moves up to SMW. At SMW, Ward wins/loses in the court room and starts winning in the ring after that is settled. Froch fights Ward, and loses a great fight. THIS is how it’s going to be.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:33 am 


TMS, you’re making a lot of mistakes for somebody who THINKS he does know about boxing.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:31 am 


TMS, you’re just what this board needs: another troll.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:29 am 


mephisto claims.., “Froch said that he was practicing that punch in his preparation for the fight, I say that’s bullsh!it. He got lucky.” … NO. He didn’t get lucky. He did the plan.

As we were watching the fight an unbeaten pro boxer said, “Froch is looking for the straight right.” Everyone agreed. That was the punch he was looking for. He nearly got Groves earlier with a couple rips. Groves was intimidated. He had a little success with that punch in their 1st fight — but this time he was really zoning in with the right.

Often after Groves flings his right he’s wide open for about any counter you throw, but especially the straight right down the pipe.. Reviewing the 1st fight Froch probably saw 7 or 8 chances he missed.. This fight went similar to the first, but Froch defended better and waited longer before ramping up the pressure. He slowly picked up Groves’ rhythm.

Any good puncher who can box reasonably well, if he can just avoid stupid stuff, is going to spank GG late in the fight. He’s worse than Amir Khan. He can’t grab and he can’t defend.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:18 am 

The Mad Scientist

WILenin what the hell are you talking about..???? Let the more knowledgeable fight fans speak son,, just read and learn for now ..

Posted June 1, 2014 2:06 am 

King Froch

No fighter is talking about fighting Ward, he is not relevant in any discussion about major fights, it is no big deal, he is not missed, forget Ward.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:57 am 


^^^i know what weights they fight at nutsack

Posted June 1, 2014 1:57 am 

King Froch

Ward aint fighting nobody, his own fault, thinks he has more rights than other fighters, his promoters, managers are tired of it now, if he had got that chip of his shoulder he would of done better.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:54 am 


BEARS, you want Ward to go down to MW and fight GGG? GGG is trying to take all the belts at MW.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:47 am 


Mad Scientist, you made the same mistake I just made: GGG is fighting at MW! So, he’ll go for Soliman, not for Froch/Ward.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:46 am 


^^^I’m not even interested in froch vs ward. there is better fights out there for both guys. froch has GREAT MATHUPS while ward like mayeather tries to thrive on bum fluff. i dont expect ward to fight 3g and kovalev like he should

Posted June 1, 2014 1:45 am 


Damn, unify at MW, of course.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:44 am 

The Mad Scientist

Ward should just move up in weight..the biggest money competitive fights at 168 would be Froch/GGG/Chavez.. no one would really care if SOG was the man to beat,, I know I wouldnt

Posted June 1, 2014 1:43 am 


About Soliman vs. Sturm: a friend of mine has seen it and said it’s been the most dirty fight he’s seen in the last 10 years. Lots of holding, pushing, blows to the back of the head, and all that kind of stuff that should have been stopped by a good ref. Time for GGG to unify at SMW, all those belts are his!

Posted June 1, 2014 1:43 am 


Ward > Froch > other SMWs That’s the way it is. Froch wants to fight Ward again? I’m all for it. Would be an amazing fight, but he would lose again. Ward is too intelligent, too skilled, too focused. No way even the great Froch could take him down. But let’s see them in the ring again, after Ward’s problem got settled in the court.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:39 am 


Where’s the write up of Sam soliman schooling felix sturm. Another great Aussie victory in the corruption capital

Posted June 1, 2014 1:38 am 

King Froch

I don’t think he would travel well, he knows it, his promoters, trainers know it, stay at home, keep the passport in the draw.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:36 am 

King Froch

Wards last fight, he wanted to fight someone less than Rodriguez, HBO would not have it, says al ot about Ward and what he wants to do as a boxer, take the safest possible way.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:34 am 

King Froch

Ward is not relevant, all roads lead to Froch, fights regularly, exciting fighter, getting better also, doesn’t squabble with managers, promoters, that is where the money is, Boxing is a business also.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:31 am 


No matter what all roads lead through Ward. If you want to be champ you gotta fight Ward

Posted June 1, 2014 1:25 am 

King Froch

Groves would beat Ward, but he will fighting with the Sauerland promoters, fight can’t be made, Groves would beat him up.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:25 am 


when froch hits he hits. degale vs groves would be a good fight, their 1st fight could have gone either way.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:20 am 

King Froch

Ward is not relevant as a fighter at 168, compared to the other fighters at 168 who have no problem at all fighting away, it’s Boxing, Ward does not have that, he will not fight away, no matter what, (I am sog) , he can’t even deal with his promoters, he should be forgot about, Froch would destroy him this time, Froch has got much stronger and better since they fought, Ward would get knocked out.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:19 am 


i don think floyd would make winky wright, paul williams, tszyu, pac , bradley or even trout look bad son.

maidana exposed floyd

Posted June 1, 2014 1:14 am 


Bears Floyd is getting upon age but due to skills he is still the best go back 15 years Floyd would make all the Walters look like crap. Floyd has not lost but time is catching up to him

Posted June 1, 2014 1:12 am 


froch is ok fighting pasty faced northern europeans but he would not last vs chavez jr

Posted June 1, 2014 1:09 am 


i dont think ward is second to floyd and i dont think floyd is number one i dont even think floyds the best welter.

u are not the best welter thriveing on the fuerreros and ortizs i the world and maidanas. and baldomirs. u have to fight the best welters to be called the best. for years the best welters have been pac and bradley and guess what they fought nd found who was better. pax the best welter if u ask me.

ward number two p4p for what exactly? a boiled into oblivion and ruined chad dawson? kessler and froch and not keaving his home town and refs and judges? i dont subscribe to that view personally. lets see ward in with 3g and kovalev then we can talk. or even against froch at frochs house with frochs ref and frochs judges andfrochs crowd throwing sh!t at ward and wards jet lag BIATCH!

then we will talk.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:06 am 


maxmus, live and let live.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:05 am 


The best thing about Ward is that he’s only second to Floyd Jr.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:59 am 


your English…

Posted June 1, 2014 12:56 am 


I understood that BEARS…… you’re English is definitely better.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:55 am 


the bes thing about ward was froch sending his mouth piece to the 15th row in round 11 or 12

Posted June 1, 2014 12:52 am 


groves got smoked and froch changed the entire character of the fight i see he did not make mistakes like last time. or get hurt early.

no questions at all froch is a better/greater fighter who has groves number. really happy for froch

Posted June 1, 2014 12:51 am 


BEARS, your English is a tad better but still sometimes I don’t know WTF you’re talking about.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:50 am 


Anybody can look great against a novice. Ward is the man.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:48 am 


i did not get to see this fight and i wanted to bad! im really glad froch did it again. all the dummy nay sayers pretending groves was not done the first time around. aint saying sh!t now.

people talking smack about frochs wins. where they at now!!!???

Posted June 1, 2014 12:45 am 


Loomis, Froch sucks and so do you.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:44 am 


Hidas$hole, STFU, you dickhead.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:42 am 


Froch is a tough fighter!

Posted June 1, 2014 12:30 am 


Posted June 1, 2014 12:24 am 


Gratz to Froch – he did his thing.

My one annoyance – Kellerman has to bring up Ward and says Ward is the best fighter in the world. Is he frikkin psychic or something? How does anyone know how good Ward is anymore?

Posted June 1, 2014 12:22 am 

The Mad Scientist

Who the hell is George Groves,, whatta hell has he done.. I knew my boy Froch would take care of him.. no problem!

Posted June 1, 2014 12:19 am 

Andre Ward

Yo, Ward is too nerdy, where ganster, hang out with Bieber and 50 cent, get some mofoers, kick yo ass.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:19 am 


Froch has the natural ability, of Being uncannily tough. Frochs cryptonite is naturally gifted technical boxers like Mayweather and Ward. These guys are uncannily too far away or too glose. Froch is also a shadow of himself, when fighting away from home, look at Kessler 1 and Ward.

Groves made the Bute mistanke, of turning to the roses, without defence, Groves, like Bute, Can Never be a Smw force Again. A lot of People’s thought Werder about Groves Winding the fight via speed and movement. You won,t find People’s like Kessler and Ward maling the mistanke Groves did,sad. Sorry for the spejling, damn iPad.

Yes Froch is the Smw King until proven Wong, Lotus of easy moneyfights for him.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:17 am 


Ward could be boring to people that don’t understand this is a true art. hit and not get hit is the game ward cleaned out the division facts is facts

Posted June 1, 2014 12:08 am 


Froch don’t want none of ward ward should move up to lightheavy and take the belts and retire Froch is a damn good fighter I like him and wish him the best why not fight ward again losing won’t hurt his legacy he proved he is hall of fame worthy I think ward is going to be around for a while too much skill

Posted June 1, 2014 12:02 am 

Go Froch

Posted May 31, 2014 11:44 pm 

Go Froch

Froch will be on 10 million payday next fight, Froch is the man now.

Posted May 31, 2014 11:40 pm 

Go Froch

Froch is the King of the castle, undisputed.

Posted May 31, 2014 11:29 pm 

Go Froch

Ward is not fighting anyway, good, he will not be missed, arguments with managers, pathetic, doesn’t matter anyway, he is stay at home, SOG bull st idiot anyway, will not fight away for a reason, wants everything in his favour, boxing fans got no time for that.

Posted May 31, 2014 11:12 pm 


No body shots from Groves who used to be a helacious body puncher when he trained with Booth..I feel that Groves could of won with Booth in his corner..staying in the outside and potshotting all night.

In the end Groves seems to be too fragile to mix with big punchers

Posted May 31, 2014 11:07 pm 

Go Froch

Ward fight Froch away, not 5 fights at home in the super 6, joke.

Posted May 31, 2014 11:04 pm 


I was sure Froch was going to win if Groves got too confident. Great fight, great boxing night, kudos to the fighters and organizers.

Posted May 31, 2014 10:58 pm 


Does journalism have any integrity anymore? Shouldn’t the writer at least pretend to be impartial? I came to here to read the news on the fight, not some lament from a bitter fool who feels butthurt that things didn’t go the way he wanted them to.

Posted May 31, 2014 10:50 pm 


Mephisto….. No such thing as a lucky punch in boxing , boxers train to land punches on head or body, where did the froch punch land?? Do the board a favour and go back and watch looney tunes.

Posted May 31, 2014 10:44 pm 


Froch said that he was practicing that punch in his preparation for the fight, I say that’s bullsh!it. He got lucky.

Posted May 31, 2014 10:04 pm 


so boxing is alive and well in england.

Posted May 31, 2014 9:48 pm 


lucky punch by Froch.

Posted May 31, 2014 9:43 pm 


Nobody is interested in Ward stop making this thread boring with his presence.

Another fantastic fight from the world’s most exciting fighter.

Posted May 31, 2014 9:42 pm 


BTW… Soliman just finished Sturms career… :-)

Posted May 31, 2014 9:25 pm 


“Fluke Marquez punch” WTF Marquez has over forty KOs you dunce………..

Posted May 31, 2014 9:22 pm 


Good win, Ward still the best super middleweight in the World… Not interested until someone challenges that fact…

Posted May 31, 2014 9:20 pm 


Got this one right. Hearns did an interview and says he is not looking to make the Ward rematch. Basically saying Froch can’t beat Ward. Was a round off on the stoppage

Posted May 31, 2014 9:16 pm 


I’m happy for Froch. However, he really needs to shore up some of his defensive deficiencies, after which, I give him a good shot to defeat anyone at his current weight or above. Every boxer switches things up a bit to extend their careers a bit and you’re never too old to learn. He definitely has heart and is obviously a draw in his hometown. If he incorporates some defensive wizardry, however, not to the detriment of his offensive output, but to help with the staving off the immediate return fire from his foes after his offense. I don’t care what anyone says, Amir Kahn is better and getting better. Ears up Froch! From an American who wants to see everyone reach their potential.

Posted May 31, 2014 9:16 pm 


merton suckerman got smoked. another punching bag bites the dust.

Posted May 31, 2014 9:04 pm 


Ward was praying for a Groves win.

He was very hopeful until the 5th. Groves started getting drilled like last time, only this time he wasn’t landing the big shots back at Froch. Andre knew it was over.

He’s hoping to come to Wembley. Froch wants to come to Vegas, but maybe not for Ward … Andre is like the unwanted man.. Max Kellerman just called him, “The best fighter in the world.”

Ward is not the best in the world by a long shot… But there’s more room between him and the 2nd best fighter than any other weight division.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:55 pm 


Got to give it to Froch man im impressed how hes bounced back from the Ward fight.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:46 pm 


Froch the best, top PPV, bring it on,

Posted May 31, 2014 8:43 pm 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Wow, bitter article, does humble pie taste that bad?

Well done Carl Froch, a deserved victory and a massive sporting event, which transcended boxing. Now it’s a case of what next? Fighting JDG in front of a smaller crowd would be a come down which surely Froch isn’t keen on. Froch wanted a big Vegas fight and revenge against Ward for his last couple of fights. I rated Ward as top 3 P4P after he beat Froch & Dawson. Unfortunately he’s had a long layoff with injuries, had a marking time fight against a no-hoper and then had legal issues so Ward hasn’t been in the mix for a couple of years now at SMW. I reckon he could sell well against JCC Jnr or Kessler in Vegas and honestly don’t know if Ward will fight again before Froch retires. Ward would love to fight against Froch, as he needs an opponent with a large following but his next couple of fights will be in courtrooms rather than rings. I loved Froch vs Kessler and personally would prefer a third instalment, which could be a rarity – 2 European fighters selling out Vegas.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:35 pm 


The only fighter that beats Carl at the moment is Ward he is so good I would even give Froch a good chance against Kovalev.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:26 pm 


There are a lot of people saying ggg destroys Froch etc but if they do ever meet I tell you the first thing people will notice is just how much bigger the cobra is than GGG and I get a sneaky feeling that Golovkins punches will not have any where near the effect against Froch and although he can box without that advantage Golovkin will be in a dog fight which Froch wins every tim. I cant help remember the GGG Ouma fight and think what would Froch have done Ouma which is basically walk through him!

Posted May 31, 2014 8:24 pm 


Froch vs Taylor, 12th Round, knockdown, 30 seconds, if Taylor hold on he wins, Cobra finishes him, Carl has brought us some amazing memories/fights, hands down, shoulder forward, he is a throw back fighter and we love him.

Ward, headbut city, elbow, cheat, hold, boring, NO FANS, even in Cali not a draw.

Right now Froch could take Superman no problem, Sergi, not sure, DeGAYel, easily. I think he could take out Bhop.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:15 pm 

The Prince

Good show by Froch, but those that believe him winning a rematch means he’ll beat Ward are dreaming.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:14 pm 


I can’t wait for this fight. When’s it on?

Posted May 31, 2014 8:07 pm 


GGG is a middlewt.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:06 pm 

Vivek Wallace

I see that Andre Ward fans are getting nervous now that they see what Carl Froch can do in rematches

Posted May 31, 2014 8:06 pm 

’76 Olympic Team

Cobra = 1 tough hombre.
I’ve been watching him since he came from behind in the Taylor fight and KO’ed him.
That yappy mongrel called Groves has been silenced. Too bad the Cobra couldn’t also silence that yappy crew from HBO…what a friggin’ embarrassment.

Posted May 31, 2014 8:03 pm 

Tomato Can

Froch’s flaws will never let him get a win over Ward.

Posted May 31, 2014 7:59 pm 

Reality Bites

The beauty of Froch is that he can adapt and change his style which many boxers simply can’t do as most are hard wired to act a certain way. Froch can change his style as like he said he was practicing that shot months in advance. And like we all know he never loses a rematch in his amateur or pro fights. So now he knows how Ward fights he can now change his style to beat Ward too in a rematch. Froch was a completely different fighter tonight. Time for Ward to fight out of Oakland his comfort zone. Like most American fighters though they are petrified of leaving the US as they’ll automatically be given the decision at home.

Posted May 31, 2014 7:56 pm 

Hoity Toity

I think the writer wanted Groves to win Blahhhhh

Posted May 31, 2014 7:51 pm 

bud the chud

A very disappointing fight settled by a fluke marquez punch, I thought they both stunk the place out

Posted May 31, 2014 7:50 pm 


Froch will KO Chavez or pizza face him. Chavez got no discipline. Froch and Ward again one more time. Ward would probably win again. who knows, Froch always ups his game.

Posted May 31, 2014 7:48 pm 


congrats to Froch!

Posted May 31, 2014 7:45 pm 


Froch won every round bar one. Groves was beaten to the jab (differing to the first fight) and every time Groves swang the overhand right and missed, Froch hit him 3 times hard to the body. Ironic that it was a similar left right combo that finished groves that Groves hurt Froch with in 1st fight

Posted May 31, 2014 7:34 pm 


As soon as Groves started flailing with some of his punches as early as the 5th rnd it was just a matter of time

Posted May 31, 2014 7:32 pm 


I backed Froch all the way WARRIOR.

Posted May 31, 2014 7:30 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Froch is such an animal…Bad to the bone…Not the prettiest of styles or technique…But stand still near the ropes and it’s goodnight…You gotta rate him a presentday-Legend of the sport…Fights the toughest opponents, anywhere and can’t remember a boring fight he’s been in…So, much respect to Froch.

Posted May 31, 2014 7:26 pm 


that punch would have finished anyone from MW to CW a beauty! Groves can recover and come back, he came with a 12 round plan this time but you can’t plan for that punch. Degale is the fight for him as there is no way Froch is going to waste time with Degale, he’s off the Vegas baby!

Posted May 31, 2014 7:13 pm 


Ol froch did it again.

Posted May 31, 2014 7:13 pm 


I predict boxtadumass will gobble up 30 boners tonight in his celebration.

Posted May 31, 2014 7:12 pm 


Froch retires Groves

Posted May 31, 2014 7:12 pm 


Nope. I never bet against Froch. That tough bastard always finds a way to win…no matter how much I will him to lose!!!!!

Posted May 31, 2014 7:06 pm 


popkins.whats up did you lose ten dollars on tin man tonight.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:59 pm 


ugly Froch has a pretty girlfiend

Posted May 31, 2014 6:53 pm 



This pundit says, “At best Groves could be a threat to Andre Ward. At the very least he would be a different face with real skill and athleticism to make a competitive fight with Ward.”

Groves will never be competitive with Ward.

When Groves is 36 and Ward is 40, in the event their careers last that long, Ward will still box Groves’ face off.

Posted May 31, 2014 12:56 pm

Posted May 31, 2014 6:47 pm 


tbone… I’d love to c Froch in with Triple G. THAT wud b awesome. Golovkin wud take it. Can’t c Carl going for that tho wen he can make more money and hav an easier night against JC Chavez tho.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:45 pm 

john English

This is an ERA for White Fighters……………….

Posted May 31, 2014 6:43 pm 


@anonymous… Yes, 26 years old. 2 million in the bank. Involved in one of the UK’s biggest fights. And just signed with Sauerland promotions. …. Yep, that sure is the end of Groves…

Posted May 31, 2014 6:42 pm 


Golovkin in Vegas

Posted May 31, 2014 6:41 pm 


This should cement Froch into the Hall of Fame. Him and Chavez would be fun to watch.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:41 pm 

reality check

Froch got lucky, the tide was beginning to turn … unlucky, but that is boxing

Posted May 31, 2014 6:39 pm 


thats the end of that ginger pric#.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:38 pm 


Yes, Froch has solidified his place as the clear No.2 at Super Middleweight, behind Andre Ward. Excellent finish from the Cobra tonight.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:37 pm 


Froch 2 or 3 rounds up going in to the 8th. Brilliant fight from Froch, a true legend, never ducked anybody.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:34 pm 


LOL! As much as I like and respect Froch, he would get schooled again in a rematch vs. Ward. Ward is in his own league. Nevertheless great win for Froch tonight, he is a great No. 2 at SMW.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:33 pm 


I’m still shaking my head at BOXING BARLOW who wrote that George St Groves was a match for Andre Ward and spunked 200 quid on Groves! I keep saying it’s experience and seasoning that counts. Too many fighters want to rush into world class and get found out time and again. They may get lucky once, but will be found out quickly. Groves has never been the smartest cookie and he even said that he was more likely to have a tear up when put under pressure, rather than tuck up and box smart. He’s like Nigel Benn and Amir when tagged… he instantly wants to tag you back.

FROCH dummies a left hook, Groves back to the ropes, catches it with his right glove and immediately tries a wide left hook (instant no-no), FROCH drills his right, but even a straight right thrown long, will beat a wide hook!!!


Posted May 31, 2014 6:33 pm 

red dog

What Andre Ward fans?

Posted May 31, 2014 6:32 pm 


Congrats to Carl for a good finish.
Bit of a cagey fight but enjoyable.
Hoped George would win but he never really looked like he was capable.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:31 pm 

Vivek Wallace

I see that Andre Ward fans are getting nervous now that they see what Carl Froch can do in rematches.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:30 pm 

First time ere

Boxtradumbass you’re a moron hehe

Posted May 31, 2014 6:29 pm 



Cobra to ruin Grooves, the lil red will never be the same after this mega beatdown.
Posted May 26, 2014 9:05 pm

Posted May 31, 2014 6:28 pm 

First time ere

Boxtradumbass is the worst guesser in the history of boxing.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:28 pm 


wow boxtra that’s 1 correct prediction out of 30. your % is improving u must be happy not that any serious fan gives a toss.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:19 pm 


And ANOTHER prediction from ANOTHER thread. VICTORY time!!!


JUST like no one is me the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!! FROCH by NOTTINGHAM Nasty KO!

Posted May 27, 2014 9:51 pm

Posted May 31, 2014 6:16 pm 


Well done carl. Perhaps george should not talk so much crap and rest his mouth. He might be able to také a shot. He wore it out

Posted May 31, 2014 6:14 pm 


And BEFORE ANYBODY says I didn’t!!!


Froch by Nottingham NASTY KO

Posted May 29, 2014 12:20 pm

Posted May 31, 2014 6:14 pm 


I disagree. Groves was conserving his energy, so he’d b strong for 12 rounds. And it was working. At worst it was even, at best George was 5:2 up. Groves cud hav come out blasting like last time but he chose not to coz he’d hav burnt himself out.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:13 pm 


Froch WINS by NASTY NOTTINGHAM KO just as I predicted!!! I REMAIN the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!!!

Posted May 31, 2014 6:10 pm 

sean p h

Joe. Froch imposed himself on groves with smart pressure and bodyshots

Posted May 31, 2014 6:07 pm 


Can never underestimate the warrior. Thought Groves would do the trick but Groves came out all wrong. Youthful energy should have pressured Froch from 1 to end. Groves only allowed Froch to settle in. Bad strategy.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:03 pm 


Groves was 5:2 to up in my book. So for Froch to find a great KO punch, that was impressive. Good fight. Great night for boxing. …. Gutted tho.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:03 pm 

Sad Ken

Fight went pretty much as expected.

Bring on easy unifications with Bika and Abraham, and force Ward to travel for the belts.

Posted May 31, 2014 6:02 pm 

Macho Gabacho

Ward at Wembley, then Golovkin in Vegas to wrap up a great career.

Posted May 31, 2014 5:58 pm 

Turb0-H@mster going whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?


Posted May 31, 2014 5:57 pm 


Forget Degaly. Bring on Andre Ward.

Posted May 31, 2014 5:55 pm 


If Ward ever mans up and goes in England for a rematch, Froch will “bute” him and KO him cold. Froch is undefeated in rematches and Ward won’t last long in such small ring and in a hostile place! Ward is the mixed Lucian Bute!

Posted May 31, 2014 5:53 pm 


Groves ain’t very good and froch looks old and should retire. Great punch, poor fight.

Posted May 31, 2014 5:53 pm 


Bye Bye Groves, your mouth wrote a check your body and skills couldnt cash.

Posted May 31, 2014 5:52 pm 

sean p h

Groves is out!

Posted May 31, 2014 5:52 pm 


The Cobra struck, lights out!

Posted May 31, 2014 5:50 pm 

Bobby Balboa

They keep doubting you and you keep proving them wrong. . . . And in awesome fashion may I add.

Well done Carl

Posted May 31, 2014 5:50 pm 

Macho Gabacho

I tuned in just in time to see the KO. Who was ahead on the cards?

Posted May 31, 2014 5:49 pm 


I wonder if it will be George St. Groves who will now retire into the wilderness?

George Groves… Goof fighter, but a much bigger yapper!


Posted May 31, 2014 5:48 pm 


Still second best though.

Posted May 31, 2014 5:48 pm 


MAYBE, JUST MAYBE CARL COBRA FROCH will now get some respect from all those snipers!!!!
12 consecutive big time World Title fights…

He went to the backyard of the whinger and allowed him every single one of is moans and still Knocked the whinger out – ONE PUNCH KO to let 80,000 Chelsea fans know just who is the man in UK….

Now, for JDG…. And then Kessler III

Posted May 31, 2014 5:46 pm 


Bring on Degaly!!!

Posted May 31, 2014 5:45 pm 

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