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Gonzo the Dragonborn

ROFL more high end Tier 2 lyrical magic from Brother Turb0-H@mster. Keep churning out classics like that and Brother Gonzo is going to seriously have to consider having to make you the Lord Protector of Tier 1 when I’m away on vulture and raptor business. lol

Posted April 7, 2014 8:10 pm 


The loonies escaped from the asylum again

Posted April 5, 2014 3:38 pm 


“HHLondon, I`m sorry” You sure are. You’re one sorry SOB.

Turbo is like Gonzo and Boxtradamus. He entertains himself with his stupidity and no one else bothers to read his drivel.

Posted April 5, 2014 1:42 am 


One question which had me baffled all day.

How did you manage to grow a beard, swap vests and lose 2inches off your “gunz” inside a minute?


Posted April 4, 2014 11:03 pm 


“HHLondon, I`m sorry”,

That’s when I stopped reading muscles ;-)

Posted April 4, 2014 10:44 pm 


Look Anonymous…, Both Bernstein and Farhood had Froch winning the first Kessler fight. They had no axes to grind. Most neutral observers also had Froch winning. Forch simply landed more and better punches and made Kessler miss. You don’t know how to count punches or be objective. I had no horse in the race. I was a neutral observer at the time and saw Froch win clearly. In the rematch I was pulling for Froch, only because he was robbed in the first fight.

Froch obviously landed the best punches, the most punches, and did the most damage—just like he did in the 2nd fight. The only punch stats to go by—besides your own count—would be that stats that Jim Lampley produced before HBO’s telecast of the rematch…where Andre Ward did the expert commentary. Before the fight, Lampley accurately focused on Froch significantly outscoring Kessler in the 1st fight. The first fight was in Denmark and Froch was robbed… It’s an old story in Boxing.

Froch had the last laugh—by beating the Danish out of Kessler before neutral judges. He righted a wrong.

Posted April 4, 2014 9:29 pm 


Gonzo woke up with a pounding canister and had to stick the magnet on the meter.

HaHaHa … Ice Cream’s probably in the Priory!

Posted April 4, 2014 6:58 pm 


Holy smoke TARK! Are you seriously trying to be hard headed or are you sheer nuts? How can you call me stupid when I have given you the evidence of official scores and judges?

Look at the Compubox scores round by round for Kessler vs FROCH 1 and let me know, how I can be stupid where the scores are broken down, not by me, but by paid professionals. They will give a statistical assessment of punches thrown and punches landed round by round and then they will be further broken down by the subsets of jabs, power punches. By the way TARK, I have a degree in Business Studies of which we deal with statistical interpretations, balance sheet reconciliations, profit and loss, net profit ratio etc etc The list goes on. TARK, I am as far away removed from stupid as you are removed from reality.
I still await your documented proof on how you are the only breathing entity walking God’s green earth that actually believes Froch won the first fight. I have been scoring fights since we had the 10-9.5 system here in UK. You wouldn’t even be able to get your head around that, or would you wish to take another lesson in mathematics as well as subjectivity?

Posted April 4, 2014 5:33 pm 


Don’t look down until the round is over.

Posted April 4, 2014 4:02 pm 


The last TARK post was a Fake TARK

Anonymous you’re just plain stupid. Watch the fight and count the punches landed yourself. You’re such a pea brain you probably can’t keep count of two fighters punching. Just grab a pad and make a slash for every punch one fighter lands and a dash for the other fighter.

Don’t look up until the round is over. If you have any hand dexterity and can hold a pen you can do this.

That’s why Jim Lampley told everyone BEFORE the rematch that Froch had objectively won the fight… and showed the HBO audience all the stats and graphics to prove it.

I knew he was going to win the rematch and had many posts with KL about it… With a neutral referee and judges he was going to beat Kessler 10 times out of 10 and it happened — even though he was 35 and I think Kessler was obviously younger with more experience.

Posted April 4, 2014 4:00 pm 


TARK, I will be waiting to see how you pick yourself out of this hole as you LIED through your teeth about Hearns vs Barkely I.
I watched that fight live and your inaccurate lies about what happened that night sum up how you like to lie about the ATG fighters and love to denigrate them and rip through their great resumes.

TARK responds with:

All that w@nking Anonymous has frazzeled you pea brain

Posted April 4, 2014 1:49 pm

Yep, a true sign TARK you concede defeat and admit that in the face of cold, FACTS you are a LIAR!

Posted April 4, 2014 2:23 pm 


Ha ha ha!
TARK, has to resort to swearing at me now he’s been thoroughly ground into the dirt, beaten by cold, hard FACTS.

Posted April 4, 2014 2:21 pm 


All that w@nking Anonymous has frazzeled you pea brain

Posted April 4, 2014 1:49 pm 


TARK, don’t be a moron.
Fights are scored on a round by round basis.
Fighter A could win 7 rounds by landing 10 punches to 5 in those 7 rounds.
Fighter B could win 5 rounds by landing 30 punches to 10 in those 5 rounds.

Stay with me TARK. You’ll feel much better after being schooled.

Therefore Fighter A has landed 70 punches to Fighter B’s 35 in his 7 winning rounds
Fighter B has conversely landed 150 punches to only 50 for Fighter A in the 5 rounds he’s won, leaving a total of

Fighter A total punches landed 120 over 12 rounds
Fighter B total punches landed 185 over 12 rounds


Fighter A has won 7 rounds to 5, regardless he lad landed less punches overall.
Don’t you get it, you mug?
Fighter A is the winner in the scorecards by 7rounds to 5 or by 115-113

Let this be the first of several lessons you need to learn!

If you check the BOXREC of FROCH vs Kessler, FROCH threw more, BUT MISSED way more!
Kessler was more economic and made his punches count!


That’s the sound of the school bell for TARK, the little dunce!

Posted April 4, 2014 1:39 pm 


TARK, I will be waiting to see how you pick yourself out of this hole as you LIED through your teeth about Hearns vs Barkely I.
I watched that fight live and your inaccurate lies about what happened that night sum up how you like to lie about the ATG fighters and love to denigrate them and rip through their great resumes.

Please provide your evidence to prove that BARKLEY’S KO of Hearns was not a fluke.
In the rematch, 15 pounds heavier Barkley won a SPLIT DECISION and according to BoxRec below

The unofficial AP scorecard was 114-113 to Barkely
Jerry Roth scored 113-114 to Barkley
Chuck Giampa scored 113-115 to Barkely
Lou Tabat scored 114-113 to Hearns

Hearns made $1.2 million and Barkley got $500,000.
Hearns was a 2 to 1 favorite.
The fight was shown on pay-per-view by TVKO.
The fight took place before a crowd of 4,250 at the Caesars Palace Sports Pavilion.
The two fighters fought at close quarters for most of the fight. Occasionally, Hearns would get some punching room, but Barkley would soon crowd him again. Hearns fought with his back to the ropes for much of the fight. In the fourth round, Barkley dropped Hearns with a left hook to the chin, but he got up quickly. At the end of the fight, both of Barkley’s eyes were swollen and Hearns’ nose was swollen to twice its normal size.
After the fight, Hearns underwent surgery for bone chips in his right hand. He wore a cast for about seven months.

Seems TARK that your eyes are SuperHuman in seeing things no one else does, such as FROCH hammering Kessler in their first fight, when even CARL admitted he lost. (evidence provided in previous post).

Every report says the second fight was a close affair, the Knockdowns swinging it in BARKLEY’S favour. An independent Associated Press scoring it for Barkley by ONE POINT is hardly a thrashing.
Please, start living in the real world TARK and not this dark, Satanic, Neverworld you frequent, ducking into our world from time to time like a female Succubus and sucking the life out of the greats legacies!

Very sorry people, but the only way to deal with the LIAR and twister of facts TARK is to hit him with documented evidence each and every time.

TARK likes to call us liars, but when hit with the truth TARK is the biggest ducker on these forums.

Posted April 4, 2014 1:26 pm 

boxing barlow

Anyone who has a brain and a set of eyes knows that Kessler beat Froch in their first fight, in the same way it was pretty clear to see that Froch won their second outing. Its strange but I didnt think Froch looked himself in the first fight and Kessler was able to back him up and essentially beat him at his own game. Yet in the second fight I felt that Kessler looked shop worn tired and his output was awful. Part of me feels that in both fights the winner was just the man who was on his game that night. Over all I think if both fighters fought at their peaks on a good night Kessler would have had enough to to get the win, and therefore is probably the better fighter. Flip this though and in my opinion there is no doubt Froch has had the better career in term of wins and fighting the best out there.

Posted April 4, 2014 8:43 am 


TARK, lies that FROCH landed a wide mor punches on Mikkel in their first fight, check out Bxong Scene for yourself. TARK, you need to start dealing in facts, not conjecture!

Taken from Boxing Scene website

compubox stats for Kessler vs FROCH I

Each fighter’s jab was a key weapon in the first fight. Carl Froch averaged 10 of 48 per round while Mikkel Kessler went 8 of 31 per frame- well above the 168-lb avg. of 5 of 24 per round. Froch threw 77 jabs in round two- the most he’s thrown 9 of his fights tracked by CompuBox. Will they finish where they left off over three years ago? Kessler threw his high totals for the fight in rounds eleven and twelve (70, 77 punches thrown). Froch threw a fight high 102 punches in round twelve- 72 of which were power shots. Froch’s 102 thrown punches were most he’s thrown in a round in 9 of his fights tracked by CompuBox.

for the full breakdown round by round check out boxing scene

Posted April 4, 2014 6:41 am 


TARK, the liar writes:
Anonymous you’re an idiot and a liar…

Froch said he beat Kessler in both fights — and Jim Lampley put up all the punch stats for the first fight on the air before the rematch. He went over Froch’s superiority to Kessler in depth on that telecast… Maybe you weren’t watching… but Froch outscored Kessler by a wide margin in BOTH fights.

TARK, just because Uncle Jim says it’s so, doesn’t necessarily mean it is.
Now, sit down and drink your milk and prepare to get schooled.

Source: Daily Mail online: article 2273455

Carl FROCH says, “‘It depends how the fight goes, but I don’t see Mikkel carrying on when I beat him. And if I were to lose then I think it would probably be the finish for me too.
‘I have to win this fight, but I’m no fool and I know how tough it’s going to be. Even though he got the decision – and deserved to win – in Denmark, he looked like the elephant man at the end.
‘I was in pain, with cracked ribs and a broken nose. Now the re-match means so much to the legacy of both of us that I’m not only excited but apprehensive and nervous that one of us could be so badly hurt that it could damage our health.’

FROCH confirms that Kessler deserved the win!

TARK, if that is not admitting defeat, then I don’t know what is.
Therefore, I will repeat my previous statement. TARK, you are a liar!

Posted April 4, 2014 6:32 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

The thing that you’re not getting here is, it’s not actually me you have to worry about. As the world’s leading vulture and raptor authority, and the international ambassador for spreading vulture awareness, and a former top class amateur and pro boxer, now part-time trainer, I’m usually far too busy and occupied with everything I’ve got on my plate to be tooling like likes of you. I only flutter by occasionally.. It’s the Tier 2’s you’ve got to be real wary of. Remember this: You only bark as loud as I let you. This is my domain. One flick of my wrist and you’ll find yourself getting simultaneously gang fcuked and bukakked on by every Tier 2 poster on ESB. ROFL.

Posted April 3, 2014 9:14 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Richie boy aka Harry.. You got rumbled by the best in the business and then you ducked out of the fire escape with your tail between your legs faster than Meldrick Taylor combo. ROFL.

Stay away from firearms you say? The only weapons I mess with are the ones I clench between by teeth and bite off psycho chimp style.

Posted April 3, 2014 9:02 pm 


Err: oh dear… What happened here? Gonzo posted about 30 consecutive comments in the space of an hour or so?

And he saves his own comments, and collects, saves and reposts comments that others have made about him??!!

Okay, look, I’m sorry Gonz: I had no idea.

As you say, I’m sure you’re revered here, and even more so on the Golden Retriever forums.

Stay safe man… and just be sure to steer clear of any firearms, okay?

I’ll leave you to it.

Posted April 3, 2014 8:44 pm 



Exposed yourself as an old lush with no backbone!

Posted April 3, 2014 8:23 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Nicky Piper is a member of Mensa, HHLondon is, well, just a member.

Posted April 3, 2014 8:15 pm 


Awww, I almost feel sorry for the mad bastard now…

Don’t worry Gonz, I’m sure you’re revered here too… Just keep reminding yourself of that list of lovely compliments you’ve collected, and remember that you’re the ESB No. 1, okay?

Have fun chatting with your fellow dog lovers.

Posted April 3, 2014 8:13 pm 


Gonzo is the Niki Piper of ESB.

What an accolade!

Even John H swerves the “gym” as it’s full of mugs.

Posted April 3, 2014 8:11 pm 


Drunk No-Bodies ;-)

Posted April 3, 2014 7:59 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Rich aka Harry and HHLondon reported for racism.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:59 pm 


See …. No-Marks!

Posted April 3, 2014 7:59 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Right, I’m off to see my canine loving brethren over on the Golden Retriever forums where I can assure you I’m even more revered and adored than I am on here. I’m worshipped as a deity over there. No joke.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:58 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

LMFAO at these undesirables and malcontents thinking they can step up to the big leagues and hang with the supreme of all apex predators who was actually spawned by his own seed.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:53 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

LOL Gonz.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:49 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

That’s the best part about toying with you clowns: None of you actually realize that you’re being verbally sodomized by a 6ft human/vulture hybrid, the only one to ever exist. ROFL.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:48 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

HHlondon sucks vulture plums.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:46 pm 


Repton produces nothing but feral clowns these days.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:44 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Thank me later.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:43 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Love this C.D. Kenny G can change the atmosphere in one foul swoop. Brilliant!

Posted April 3, 2014 7:41 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

This is one of Kenny G’s finest, as you would expect from the king of the saxophone.I gave it to my friend, and she writes back ” I am now a Kenny G- aholick, if there is such a word . Just brilliant a must have if your a fan

Posted April 3, 2014 7:41 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

I think I love every single tune Kenny G plays, it really is fabulous music to listen to, great for background when having a romantic meal at home with that special someone!!!

Posted April 3, 2014 7:40 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Fantastic playing from Kenny on here he make the Clarinet talk a great achievement . Just love his playing and never get tired of hearing him play. I think he is the best of all time..This CD is well worth buying!

Posted April 3, 2014 7:39 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

I love Kenny G music. I haven’t gotten a bad CD yet! Nice for dinner music or relaxing, nice for entertaining!

Posted April 3, 2014 7:39 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

I love every track. His music is so romantic and tranquil. Easy relaxing at the end of the day. I would love to put one in the car, but I feel it would relax me too much!

Posted April 3, 2014 7:38 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Kenny G is the best sax player of his generation. I’ve listened to him since his first album & no track has disappointed. Music at its Finest.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:38 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

I first heard Kenny G when he was the intro on the Michael Bolton Tour in the nineties. I absolutely fell in love with him and his music especially when he did a duet with Michael which was Georgia on my mind. I have this album and the breathless one, I can only say that his music is so relaxing I can listen to it for hours and not get bored. Love all his music, such a talented artist.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:37 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

How great is Gonzo? Let’s just leave this to the experts shall we, ie. those down there, or in your case, way up above, who reside between the hallowed walls of Tier 2, each of who is now your mortal sworn enemy. ROFL.

It’s Me, Ernie

Much respect to Brother Gonzo, the man, the myth, the legend…

Posted March 7, 2014 2:25 am

It’s Me, Ernie

Standing alone @ Tier One must be lonely at times, but your valor is much respected by us common aspiring folk. To be so generous with your gifting of points is honorable, yet at the same time viciously revoking them as needed is just pure beauty in its simplest form. Being Gonzo is a responsibility bestowed on you, and you handle it like Maidana handled Broner…

Posted March 7, 2014 2:23 am


Gonzo is hella funny.

He’s also nearly always on point too.

Posted March 5, 2014 1:01 pm

Joseph Herron

LOL…I see the self proclaimed “Raven” (Gonzo) is spanking everyone on this site once again…LOL

Posted February 11, 2014 1:28 am


Goodevening. Gonzo the dragon born/ Edgar Allen Poe, sir I have to say you are one gutsy bloke. Your posts are definitely like how should I say? A virtual whirlwind of creativity! Like watching a cross between Pacquiao and Aaron Pryor. There is a method to the madness there for certain. Must admit I do enjoy them if for nothing more than the humor laced with some thought provoking view points. Peace and strength and a hearty cheers to you soldier.

Posted February 11, 2014 12:55 am


everyone know your number one gonzo i dont think any sane mind disputes that fact.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:21 pm


WOW!!! what a post GONZO!!! well said!!! well said!!! look out gonzo can wow a dude with his posts. hands down best post on this thread! THIS GUY gonzo is not number for no reason son.

Posted February 10, 2014 10:08 pm


Gonzo is by far one if the most entertaining posters on here get a sense of humor and enjoy life a little.

Posted February 1, 2014 9:48 pm


gonzo! thats my guy right there! number one poster on east side. better hope he forgives your boxing knowledge sins

Posted September 3, 2013 8:30 pm

Joseph Herron

Vivic’s vernacular, Gonzo’s gags, and old Yank’s yarns are part of what makes ESB the great boxing site going.

Posted August 31, 2013 2:12 pm

It’s Me, Ernie

Another fine example why Brother Gonzo is at Tier One…

Posted September 2, 2013 12:26 pm

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Brother Gonzo. With that uniquely creative imagination and those wordsmithing skills you could write dark, macabre, action-adventure/horror-thrillers for a living. You could be the next Edgar Allen Poe and not even realize it.
– Posted August 21, 2013 3:34 pm


You have made a mistake now boy.

You don`t have to worry about who Gonzo is, you need to worry about what he is. He is a force of n@ture. He has f-c-u-k-d a hurric@ne. When he was born, even his d@ddy called him d@ddy.

Imagine if you will a Tsun@mi, but rather than being made of water, it is comprised of pure Ande@n Cond0r mixed with l@shings of Clint E@stwood circa 1964, Fistful of Doll@rs er@.

Now imagine that Tsun@mi g@thering it`s force up on Tier one, which I can tell you extends upwards of 22,000 feet, and is a place where ordin@ry humans would require Oxygen m@sks, so as I say imagine it g@thering it`s force, growing and growing, lightening flicker!ng, the smell of ozone in the air and word-pairings, and syll@bals clash together.
Then there is a creak as the Golden doors of tier one are pulled open by Tera P@trick and Scarlett Joh@nnson wearing nothing but smiles, and a hungry look for e@ch other.

You have a moments silence where you have the ins@ne hope that nothing will happen.

But then, suddenly there it is.

A million cubic tons of Vulture E@stwood Dragonborn fury pouring from the sky, slicing it`s way towards your very soul.

At the tip of this Tsnum@i you`ll see a sneer!ng pair of lips form, which as they grow closer draw back to reveal a set of kn@shers intent on dam@ge.

Realising your error you back away, head twisting, seek!ng an esc@pe.

You tr!p and fall onto your back and cover your eyes.

But this can do nothing to stop the be@st you have unleashed from settling it`s jaws upon your most pr!zed possess!ons and r!pping them out root and stem with a crunching twist.

That my friend is Gonzo.

If you feel this is an ex@ggeration then b@re this in mind. Do you know Keyzer Soze? Of course you do, everyone has heard of him. What most people do not know however is that Keyzer once borrowed Gonzo’s Ferr@ri 250 GT, and returned it without filling the t@nk.

This is why Gonzo now possesses a mousem@t made from Keyzers scr-0-tum.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:30 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

ROFL. You’ve just been rumbled. It did actually cross my mind earlier that Harry was in fact actually Rich undercover (I’m being 100% honest about that too), but now I know for sure they’re one and the same. Their style of insulting Gonzo is exactly the same. Exactly the same ‘humour’ and exactly the same ‘jokes’.

Rich, I know you know I’m right about that too. ROFL.

Gonzo isn’t funny?! Now that is funny. Here, have 250,000 of my own personal ESB ranking points to add on to your own miserable tally.

Imaginary tier system? ROFL. Richie boy, I can almost taste the envy from here. Hell, I almost felt a pang of regret for ripping your genitalia off with my teeth and chewing on it like a piece of salty billtong.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:26 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

D.. So replying to other people’s posts to me is talking to myself, eh? ROFL. Not the brightest bulb in the socket are we?

Actually, if you don’t mind, you can do me a little favour. I was wondering if you could ask your mother what chimpanzee cum tastes like.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:14 pm 



Actually, he’s really not very funny this “Gonzo” bloke, is he? Trying much too hard, and his condescension is badly misplaced, so I might well join you in smacking him around a bit myself in future threads (at least, if the whim takes me…). No one likes a pompous prick with an imaginary “tier system” in his head by which he “ranks” people. If he were funny or he wrote well, I might have been prepared to overlook the self-aggrandising fantasy stuff and condescension, but since he isn’t, and he’s not, I probably won’t.

Gonzo, pal: you have been warned.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:11 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Speak of the nosferatu.

Posted April 3, 2014 6:24 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Anonymous.. Mocking, abusing or showing that 3000 year old wheelchair-bound anus blood sucking decrepit nosferatu cripple TARK with insults is certainly one of the best ways someone can try to curry favour with Lord Gonzo of ESB and ingratiate themselves with him.

By token of my appreciation here’s 200,000 ESB ranking points to add onto your tally.

Posted April 3, 2014 6:24 pm 


Anonymous you’re an idiot and a liar…

Froch said he beat Kessler in both fights — and Jim Lampley put up all the punch stats for the first fight on the air before the rematch. He went over Froch’s superiority to Kessler in depth on that telecast… Maybe you weren’t watching… but Froch outscored Kessler by a wide margin in BOTH fights.

Lampley.., “The stats clearly favor Froch by a wide margin.”

It wasn’t as one-sided as Pacquiao-Bradley — but it was a horrible robbery.

Posted April 3, 2014 6:22 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Harry.. You were doing so well up until this post, Brother. So well you were in line for a promotion up to Tier 2. Now I’ve had to temporarily demote you down to Tier 4, which would’ve been but one above the tier Rich is residing in had I not sent him scurrying back down to Tier 6 again aka Rape Central.


Nah, was just pissing about. You made me laugh (twice), which makes you a “top tier” poster as far as I’m concerned, whatever Gonzo reckons (he was funny too, so I’ll also grant him top tier status — so long as he behaves himself and doesn’t interfere with anyone in the shower ;-)).

Posted April 3, 2014 2:57 pm ”

Posted April 3, 2014 6:11 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Brother Mongrel.. I know. Crazy ain’t it? It’s not even like Rich doesn’t know who I am either. He knows exactly what I’m capable of but he still persists in trying to antagonize me even though he’s been on the receiving end of my wrath on countless occasions. To be honest, I’m actually getting a bit bored with gnawing on his genitalia like a demented beaver and vandalizing the interior walls of his anus with my 12” purple headed white mamba.

Posted April 3, 2014 6:10 pm 



Your obsession with Tark is ruining what everyone had agreed was a very nice and civilised thread.

Now please stop it or we’ll have Gonzo do something extremely unpleasant to you in your toilet area.

Posted April 3, 2014 5:27 pm 


Gorves biggest mistake I think he will make this time is that he has not secured the services of Adam Booth.

If Groves had had Booth in his corner for the 1st fight he would have cruised to victory.

Groves I just read has secured 7 figures + for the rematch but is managing himself.

He should have swallowed his pride and a few quid and hired Booth for the corner.

Posted April 3, 2014 4:47 pm 


Don’t you have anything better to do with your time Anon?

How about discussing the subject matter?

Posted April 3, 2014 4:18 pm 


TARK, you are the only true imbecile on here. Did you or did you not write on here that Carl FROCH easily beat Mikkel Kessler in Denmark?
Don’t deny it, liar TARK and don’t hide in the weeds and wait for people to forget you DUCKING yet another simple question.
Anyway, Carl FROCH himself after reviewing the tape admits he LOST the fight to Kessler in Denmark. Only you and your warped mindset are still in denial about that fight.
TARK you are truly pugilisticly challenged.
I will pick my spots and tear your house down and expose your LIES on here one by one.

Posted April 3, 2014 4:14 pm 



Straight from the horses mouth.

;-) Deal with it

Posted April 3, 2014 4:08 pm 


Harry, he doesn’t shower….ever

Posted April 3, 2014 3:01 pm 



Nah, was just pissing about. You made me laugh (twice), which makes you a “top tier” poster as far as I’m concerned, whatever Gonzo reckons (he was funny too, so I’ll also grant him top tier status — so long as he behaves himself and doesn’t interfere with anyone in the shower ;-)).

Posted April 3, 2014 2:57 pm 


@ Anonymous the Idiot… Cervantes didn’t have a jab, a straight right, or any speed—plus Benitez only won a SD because Cervantes returned a lot of fire.

Leonard had all the assets Cervantes didn’t have… That’s why he beat Benitez up—and knocked him out. Benitez was a sitting duck for a speedy jab or crackling straight right.

Anybody with those weapons will KO Groves as well… and Ward has both since his shoulder surgery.

Posted April 3, 2014 2:10 pm 


Keep puckering Harry……Don’t forget the tongue though !!

Posted April 3, 2014 1:00 pm 


Imbecile TARK says that SRL was the first good boxer Benitez fought? What about Kid Pambele? One of the greatest fighters at 140 and TARK dismisses him again!
I’ll post boxrecs account of the fight as I can’t be figged to waste too much time on you. I’m just pointing out all your flaws TARK.

Cervantes was a 4 to 1 favorite.
Benitez became the youngest fighter in boxing history to win a world title at the age of 17 years, 5 months, and 23 days
From The Ring: Boxing in the 20th Century by Stanley Weston and Steve Farhood:
“If you argue that great boxers are born, not made, Wilfred Benitez is your prime piece of evidence. The Puerto Rican boy wonder turned pro at age 15. Two years later, he became the youngest world champion in history. On March 6, Benitez, 25-0, challenged WBA junior welterweight champion Antonio Cervantes at Hiram Bithorn Stadium in San Juan. He didn’t figure to threaten “Kid Pambele”; the Colombian had made 10 successful defenses, and was being mentioned as an opponent for the incomparable Roberto Duran. Cervantes and his teenaged foe boxed evenly until Benitez’ extraordinary speed and skill surfaced in the fifth. He took four consecutive rounds, jabbing smartly and making the champion miss with his hooks. Cervantes rallied in the 11th, but couldn’t maintain his momentum. After 15 rounds, Benitez, a clear winner, settled for a split decision victory (scores of 148-144, 147-142, and 145-147). At age 17½, he was too young to appreciate history, but old enough to have made it.”

Antonio Cervantes”’ aka ”’Kid Pambelé”’ (born December 23, 1945 in [[San Basilio de Palenque]], [[Bolívar Department|Bolívar]]) is a [[Colombia]]n [[boxing]] trainer and former two time world Jr. Welterweight champion. He successfully defended the title 16 times. Cervantes fought 21 world title fights, keeping the 140 pounds title for almost 8 years.

Posted April 3, 2014 10:59 am 


@Anonymouse.., Some of the greatest boxers had technical flaws. Benitez’s stance made him easy to hit. That’s why I compared WB to Groves. If Groves doesn’t learn how to defend himself he’ll go nowhere. Leonard hammered Benitez like Groves got hammered by Froch.

Leonard was a little green when he knocked out Benitez. He had only 24 fights going in. Benitez had 40. Sugar Ray was the first good boxer Benitez fought. Ray hit Wilfred with scores of jabs and blistering straight rights. Whenever Wilfred took big swings Ray caught him with inside flurries. I thought Ray would knock Benitez out in 7 or 8 rounds, but Ray was getting hit with stupid stuff. His defense was more mature when he beat Hagler.

Groves has a wide stance like Benitez and a forward head that reminds me of Benitez. He’s got too much flex in the knees making his stance too low. He takes big swings like Benitez and Froch was able to catch him with inside flurries by the 8th and 9th round. The referee interrupted Froch in the 8th when he was killing Groves. Froch was starting to walk Groves down in the 8th and 9th. If the referee let the fight finish Carl would have destroyed the kid.

If Groves somehow manages to beat this old man Ward will kill him. Ward is a master. Froch isn’t, but I still expect him to stop this punching bag.

Posted April 3, 2014 10:38 am 

boxing barlow

Groves most definitely has the tools to win this fight and if he uses the right game plan can in my opinion coast to victory. I just hope for his sake that he has learnt enough from the first fight to get it perfect second time around. My analysis of the first fight was that Groves was surprised at how easy he could get at Froch. He was also surprised at how even when Froch got at him he could take Foch’s punches pretty good. From rounds 1 – 6 the fight was all Groves and by the seventh Groves was of the opinion he could stand and trade with Carl and pull of either an absolute shut out victory or KO Froch late on. Ultimately he came unstuck in the 9th when struggling to keep the pace that the fight was going at, Froch sensing this, threw the kitchen sick out of desperation at Groves. The stoppage was unfair, premature and in my option not a legitimate KO. However I don’t think anyone could deny that Groves was feeling the pace and Froch was looking the fitter fighter at the exact time of the KO. The problem is predicting what would have happened next. For one as I have stated that KO was not a legitimate one. Would Froch have found a legitimate punch to KO Groves? Would Froch have used up too much energy in that onslaught and in turn found himself on the end of a KO from Groves? Would Groves have outpointed Froch? Or even as unjust as the KO was, two of the three judges had their score cards so ridiculously out, having Groves only ahead by two rounds! Would Froch have won the last 3 rounds and won a robbery points victory instead? Well we will never know. But what have we learnt from the first fight? If I was Groves I would use the knowledge that my hand speed is quicker than Foch’s defensive relaxes. Froch’s reflexes cant get any better. If he has the sense he will box Froch at a pace that will ensure he can reach what Froch calls the championship round with enough left in the tank to get him through those final rounds. The first half of the fight proved that Froch can not get to Groves when he has gas in the tank. If Groves uses this plan he wins all day long for me.

Posted April 3, 2014 9:24 am 

Quick Jab

At least Tark has the balls to put a name to the stuff he writes,unlike some cretins.

Posted April 3, 2014 9:18 am 


I am not the same Anonymous who made the cardinal sin of insulting the honourable and revered Gonzo of Nazareth. I am the Anonymous who’s crusade is to nail TARK to the cross of boxing’s truth. My duty is to bring TARK the pernicious, lying fraud to book on his knees grovelling and to get him to admit he lied about SRR, Marvin Hagler and all the other ATGs he has rubbished because of his jealousy and his own inept forays into boxing.
Gonzo and his acolytes not only make good copy, but good points on these forums and TARK turns the forums sour with his bitterness.

To think TARK believes Froch beat Kessler in Denmark! Ha ha! Even FROCH admits he didn’t win that one! TARK, truly a legend in his own warped, little mind.

Posted April 3, 2014 9:09 am 

Johnny Richards

“Johnny Richards…..”Thanks for making me aware..”slap self on head”……John was that a slap or a jab or overhand right…..”

lmao I had to laugh at that.

Posted April 3, 2014 7:35 am 


Imbecile TARK lies,
“Groves reminds me of Wilfred Benitez.. Benitez had a too wide stance. His hands low. His face a bit forward, and he was easy to hit with jabs, just like Groves. Ray Leonard was faster than Froch, but very green when he faced Benitez. Leonard easily nailed Benitez with jabs, with straight rights. Also inside counters such as Froch hit Groves with.”
Once again TARK has to berate an ATG 3 weight world champion in Benitez to try to make a ridiculous correlation with Groves! BTW SRL was not green when he defeated Benitez for the World title!
TARK can’t hide his hatred for ATG fighters.
The name TARK is synonymous with pernicious and curmudgeonly.

Posted April 3, 2014 5:15 am 


How to survive an encounter with a Gonzo…….Who are only 4’6 high,of spotty appearance and smell like a clogged drain….do not be afraid as it is him who will never look you in the eye….his favourite colour is limp pink and will try to intimidate you with words like “ooh I’ll scratch your eyes out ducky”….Just say f***k off you reject from Pans People or I will shove you up a ostrich arse………then watch him mince off…

Posted April 3, 2014 4:02 am 


Tachyon, it’s not so much his stamina. Groves has real good stamina. It’s his stance.

Groves stance is too wide. His knees have too much bend. He leans his face too forward most of the time. He swings big shots and gets hit with terrific short counter hooks and inside shots. Groves can be drilled with jabs and straight rights easily—but Froch seems soooo slooooow he never got Groves until the 5th.. Froch finally got his counter hooks going inside and was starting to beat the crap out of Groves in the 8th and 9th. It took Carl all night to get going because his jab is so slow. He clomps around. He’s got no rhythm or reflexes.

Groves reminds me of Wilfred Benitez.. Benitez had a too wide stance. His hands low. His face a bit forward, and he was easy to hit with jabs, just like Groves. Ray Leonard was faster than Froch, but very green when he faced Benitez. Leonard easily nailed Benitez with jabs, with straight rights. Also inside counters such as Froch hit Groves with.

Groves has even more pronounced problems than Benitez, so I thought Froch would jump on him and literally beat the crap out of him. Carl is just too clunky. He doesn’t have the speed for it … Groves is so bad I think Froch is going to beat him up and knock him out in 8 or 9 rounds. He’ll probably get started a earlier if he manages to defend himself better. He took some huge punches. Both these guys are dangerous hitters and they both get hit with about everything. But Groves has more defensive holes than Froch.

Posted April 3, 2014 1:25 am 


If Groves does not improve his stamina same thing will happen. Groves will be dangerous first 4 rounds then Froch will take over and beat the Hell out of him. If Froch survives the fist 4 Groves will be taken deep and drowned.

Posted April 2, 2014 11:19 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

You do realize Rich is Tier 5 don’t you? He used to be Tier 6 before prior to that, which I demoted him to from Tier 3 after he betrayed my trust in public. Laughing at the ‘jokes’ of a Tier 4 or below is a serious offence and it can result in not only the loss of valuable ESB ranking points, but also an actual demotion to a lower tier for the guilty party too.

However, seeing as you caught me in one of my generous and forgiving moods, I have decided to spare you on this occasion. It might be wise if you were to contemplate abusing Rich though. A little verbal diarrhea squirted in his general direction certainly wouldn’t harm your chances or any aspirations you might harbour about being promoted to one of the higher tiers in the future.

Posted April 2, 2014 10:30 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

How to Survive an Encounter with an Ostrich

Anyone who’s seen Hitchcock’s classic film The Birds may feel a little uneasy around pointy beaks and razor-sharp talons. An ostrich attack, however, is straight out of Jurassic Park. Like that movie’s velociraptors, ostriches are fast–they can run at up to 45 mph–and they have a sharp nail on each of their feet that is capable of slicing a person open with one kick. Unlike velociraptors, however, an ostrich can reach more than nine feet tall and 350 pounds.

The best defense? Stay at least 50-100 yards away from ostriches. If, however, you end up face to face with one of these birds, follow these tips.

1. When hiking or working near ostriches, you should always be aware of your surroundings and the nearest place you can run to safety. Remember, you won’t be able to outrun an ostrich over any distance, but if you’ve got a good head start you should be able to get someplace safe if it’s close enough. Head for a building, a car, or a high fence or tree that you can scale (ostriches can’t fly). In the wild, go into a thorn bush if you have to; you’ll get scratched up pretty good, but an ostrich won’t pursue you into thorns.

2. Put something between you and the ostrich. If you can’t make it to safety, grab a long pole and hold it in front of you. Since you don’t want to have to find something like this while you’re being attacked, it’s best to carry an implement with you when there’s a chance of an ostrich encounter. A strong branch with a forked end or a rake are good options, as you can hold the crook or the broader end against the ostrich’s neck or chest. A broom or catching hook might be available when working with captive ostriches. A branch from a thorn tree, such as an acacia, is particularly effective in warding off an ostrich. Keep in mind, however, that whatever pole, tool, or branch you choose must be strong and long enough to keep the bird’s legs from reaching you. Holding the ostrich at bay works well in situations in which the ostrich is in captivity and handlers (it’s best to have at least four when trying to handle a large ostrich) can come at the ostrich from the side or, preferably, the rear and subdue it by placing a hood over its neck and/or bending its neck down to the ground so that it cannot kick.

If your life is in danger and you have a stout stick, a hard blow to the ostrich’s neck will usually break its neck and kill the animal. A well placed shot into the center of the main body (“center mass”) from a large caliber handgun (.44 or .45 caliber) will stop the ostrich. A machete blow to the neck will also kill the bird. Naturally, killing the animal should be a last resort only.

3. Play dead. In a 1918 article in The Atlantic magazine, former President Theodore Roosevelt wrote, “If, when assailed by the ostrich, the man stands erect, he is in great danger. But by the simple expedient of lying down, he escapes all danger.” The experience of ostrich farmers, naturalists, and adventurers has largely confirmed Roosevelt’s observation. Since ostriches kick forward and downward, the chance of injury is much lower if you lie face down on the ground and cover your head and neck with your arms. Your back will still be exposed, but this is much safer than if your front were open to attack. Additionally, the ostrich is not able to kick very effectively at an object on the ground, and eventually it will lose interest if you play dead. The bird will still likely stand on you–it’s been described as dancing by some who’ve gone through the experience–and it may even sit on you for a while, but it will most likely not rip you open if you do this equivalent of burying your head in the sand.


Ostriches don’t really bury their heads in the sand, as is often thought. They sometimes put their heads to the ground if they sense danger in the distance, and when they do so their bodies can look like mounds of earth. They do this so well, in fact, that it’s sometimes possible for you to come very close to an ostrich before you see it.
Ostriches love man-made objects, especially shiny ones, so before you go out on safari or onto an ostrich farm leave all your jewelry, behind and do not display shiny or dangling objects when near ostriches. Even the most mild mannered of ostriches practice investigative pecking, and a peck at an earring or your eyeglasses – or your eyes, for instance, could result in serious injury.
Ostriches are usually very skittish and will run if given the chance. If you don’t try to corner an ostrich, then, you’ll usually have no problems. Males ready for breeding, however, tend to be very territorial and may become aggressive. You can spot these by the red flush on the front of their legs. Hopefully, however, you won’t get close enough to see this without binoculars.
In the wild, it’s pretty easy to stay out of an ostrich’s way if you keep your distance. On ostrich farms, however, injuries and deaths are more common–in fact the late country singer Johnny Cash received serious injuries from an ostrich attack on his farm. Never try to handle an ostrich without proper training and backup.
Professional handlers and ostrich farmers sometimes hold a board of thick plywood with arm holes in front of them to protect themselves from the ostrich’s nails. The ostrich’s kick, however, which can exert more than 500 pounds of pressure per square inch, can still cause serious injury even if the nail doesn’t penetrate the board.
Ostriches have terrible ground fighting skills. If you can manage to get behind one, cinch your arm around its neck tightly and use your momentum to fall to one side. While on the ground and keeping hold of the neck, make sure to chop the throat repeatedly until the bird loses consciousness.
Ostriches can only kick forward[1], and rarely, to the side, so if you’re behind or to the side of an ostrich you’re pretty safe. Ostriches can maneuver quite deftly, however, so you’re only safe temporarily.

Ostriches on farms are not tame. Treat them with the respect and caution that wild animals merit.

Because of ostriches’ skittishness, and because of their ability to inflict injury, these animals have not been particularly well studied. As with any wild, potentially dangerous animals, ostriches can be unpredictable, and while these techniques have saved lives in the past, they are no guarantee against injury or death.

Don’t run if you see one. They could run you down and kick you hard if you get stopped.

Things You’ll Need
Stick or other large pointed objects to keep ostrich at bay

Posted April 2, 2014 9:38 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Floch got owned by a Ginger. Deal with it and move on with your lives FFS.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:25 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Please don’t laugh at Rich’s ‘jokes’ anymore.

Thanks in advance.

Posted April 2, 2014 9:23 pm 


When Groves have won that 12 round Decision over old Froch, he can fight Kessler, Bute and Ward, for big money.

Nobody wants to see Froch vs Chavez Jr, both are washed up fighters.

Groves vs Froch 1; The commentator didn’t have Groves winning, hugely, Groves was doing that, he won all but one round, and could easily take Froch’s punches.

Groves looks stronger than Froch, he will win.

Posted April 2, 2014 8:09 pm 


January 23 2014:

‘The fight with Chavez Jr is one of the five options that I do have and that’s a fight that I can get motivated for, a fight that excites me,’ Froch told Sky Sports.

‘Going over to America to fight in Las Vegas is something that all British pros with big aspirations to do big things in boxing (want to do).

‘If I’ve got two fights this year – and I usually do fight twice a year – one of those I think should be George Groves and one should be Chavez Jr. But probably not in that order, Chavez Jr is the next fight, the big fight that we’re closer to doing.
‘I spoke to my promoter Eddie Hearn yesterday and that fight is pretty much nailed-on as being done and I’m happy with it.’

Sky told him and Eddie Hearn to go fcuk themselves.

Posted April 2, 2014 7:14 pm 


Froch agreed to the rematch ringside, post-fight and then chased Chavez Jnr for a fight in Vegas which never materialised because the fans wouldn’t buy it and neither would Sky Box Office.

Groves petitioned the IBF for the rematch, Froch was ordered to oblige and Groves then went further in asking the IBF to make him mandatory challenger.

Froch WAS pushed into this fight and had it not been for the IBF, Groves persistence then we would be watching Froch/Chavez Jnr.

I’ll give Froch some credit, he had the option of dropping the IBF belt but we all knew he was never going to do that.

Posted April 2, 2014 7:03 pm 


I have mixed feelings about this fight.

I would love for Groves to win to supply Ward with a fresh opponent… I would love Froch to win because Groves is such a belligerent jerk—with such a high opinion of himself and low opinion of Froch. He says he can hit Froch anytime, anywhere he wants to hit him, “on the nose, on the ear, on the eye, in the mouth, in the ribs.” … Just make a clown out of the man.

Groves is not a master boxer. He hasn’t shown brilliant over-all skills to date.

He’s not going to be able to live up to that boasting. Froch is hittable but GG catches a lot of punches himself. So I would like Froch to put Groves on his ass, and let’s see if Groves can come back from a situation such as Froch found himself in.

Posted April 2, 2014 6:33 pm 

Captain peanut

Hoping Froch wins, he figured groves out. He uses his hand well to cover his chin from about 4 which allows him to get his shots off and break him down. I think groves will hang back and hold a lot more when in close. That watt should never be able to commentate on a boxing match again. He’s made the casual fan actually believe that groves completely dominated the fight. Plus is no one seeing that groves is manipulating the audience and being repulsive. On the press conference of the fight announcement he turned his attitude on Carl towards rob macracken when he finished his thoughts. The guys the brains behind the Olympic success we are having sit down and have some respect. How he spoke on talksport today was exactly the same. Rant done! Got my tickets at wembley can’t wait! :)

Posted April 2, 2014 5:48 pm 


Froch got caught with a hard shot… This happens.

Don’t give the fight to Groves based on NOT being able to finish Froch off when he had him badly hurt.

Froch eventually came back and started putting it on Groves. It was a premature stoppage. That happens in Boxing as well… But you don’t say Groves won the fight at that point.. Groves had to extract himself from a more serious situation than Froch was in — and he really doesn’t have a lot of experience doing that.

The fight should have played out… but Froch had the advantage at the point it was stopped.

Posted April 2, 2014 4:57 pm 


Do not forget either that Froch tried everything to get out of this fight and was forced into a corner.

Posted April 2, 2014 4:25 pm 


Groves wins the rematch.

This time he paces himself correctly.

Groves knows he has better skills, has the power to put him down and this time we’ll see a more calculated Groves.

Posted April 2, 2014 4:24 pm 


Roach ate my hampster says.., “Same thing happened to Groves mentor Haye against Cat Thompson.”

Haye had 10 fights and Thompson had like 38 fights.

Haye did the Vasyl Lomachenko thing.. He came up way too fast.

No matter how talented a boxer is, he needs adequate pro experience before fighting 12-rounders with contenders. Two or three fights can make a big difference at the pro level. Every competitive fight you learn something.

Groves has what… 21 pro fights? Sometimes that’s more than enough experience for world level… often it’s not.. Groves’ defense still looks shaky.. Froch’s defense isn’t perfect but he’s not going to improve.. Groves could get better.. His stance, footwork, and defense all need a lot of work.

Posted April 2, 2014 3:12 pm 


Is Groves the bigger star?. .or have the bigger fan base?.

Surely it’s the controversal ending of the first fight and the animousity between the fighters that’s the selling point of the rematch. Not a particular fighter’s populatity.

Still, funny to see this all pan out to be such a good fight for Boxing.

Posted April 2, 2014 3:09 pm 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

To the author – just extracting the urine. Groves stands a good chance in this rematch but I still give Froch a 55% chance of winning. Despite GG’s bravado and mind games, I think that Carl won’t have the same self-doubts or recklessness this time. Remember that it was George who burst out crying after the last bout – a sign that he’s not the über confident bully boy he convinced Carl that he was. Although he faded physically from the 5th round onwards, I think that he was unravelling mentally. He’d thrown the kitchen sink at Carl and Carl just kept coming. The same thing happened to his mentor Haye against Cat Thompson. If you watch those last 2 rounds, George’s mask gradually slips. Yes, it was an early stoppage but I reckon George was collapsing mentally.

Posted April 2, 2014 2:09 pm 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Was this written by George Groves or his mum?

Posted April 2, 2014 1:50 pm 


Groves fought his best against Froch,whereas Froch fought his worst,he learnt a lot about Groves….He will beat him

Posted April 2, 2014 1:47 pm 


Johnny Richards…..”Thanks for making me aware..”slap self on head”……John was that a slap or a jab or overhand right…..

Posted April 2, 2014 1:19 pm 

ginger winger

Groves was getting a beating in that round,live wiv it clowns

Posted April 2, 2014 12:36 pm 

Bill Patrice Jones

Groves was about to be on the losing end of an outrageously bad scorecard in the first fight even if he wasn’t stopped. The scores at the start of the ninth were so bad it was almost as controversial as the stoppage itself. Groves completely dominated Froch for 7 rounds, hurting him several times. With fair minded judges, if Groves had just calmed down for the final stanza of the fight he would have boxed and survived his way to a totally deserved unanimous decision. I think Groves was going for it too much around the time of Carl’s sudden resurgence, and this is what allowed Froch to have his ‘moment’ so to speak and draw the stoppage. If Groves keeps his emotions under control for a full 12 rounds then there is no way Froch can win. When the first fight was announced I thought it was going to be extremely one sided in either fighter’s favour, I didn’t envision a close fight. I thought either Groves would fold and be overwhelmed by Froch’s aggression, chin and punch being stopped badly, or that Groves would prove how good he is and be the stylistic nightmare he was always capable of being against Froch. I thought I was proved right around the time of the seventh, but Carl is a freak of nature. Groves by UD in rematch. The judges will give him way more credit, he’s a much bigger star and clout always counts with judges I’m afraid. There will be an impetus to right the wrongs of the last fight’s controversy and this will ensure fairer scoring.

Posted April 2, 2014 12:04 pm 


Harry says.., “Froch (quite reasonably) suggested that of there was to be a rematch between them it should be in the UK, and Ward completely dismissed the idea.”

No he didn’t…

In fact, after Froch beat Kessler, Ward who was commentating on the fight said he’d love to fight Froch in England… Froch was asked about it but wasn’t too enthusiastic to say the least… In fact, several times Froch talked about his dream being fighting in Las Vegas… He’s probably saving that for last, because he’s not too keen on taking another beating from Ward while he has some other big money fight possibilities.

Froch, “I don’t think anyone will ever beat Ward.”

Posted April 2, 2014 10:50 am 



YOUR POST TO Joseph HERRON is spot on. Probably the best post that has ever been on ESB!!!!”

Well guess what happened to my post?

Yup: they deleted it.

Posted April 1, 2014 9:01 pm

Hey Martin.

I still stand by my comments, that your post is the best I’ve read on this site.
It’s a shame they deleted your post which was not designed to be offensive, but to assist in elevating this site above all others. We want our fighters to be the best and fight the best, so why not our writers being the best and their writing being the best?

I’m glad this AUTHOR had the guts to come back on here and reply to us. Thank you, JOHNNY RICHARDS. Us posters value communication with you guys, like we have with JOSEPH HERRON.

Constructive feedback and communication can only make us better.

I hope we have made a breakthrough here and all writers read the feedback positively.

Posted April 2, 2014 8:41 am 


@ St Vitus Dance , you have a go and lets see how you do…..

Posted April 2, 2014 7:49 am 


Double knockout

Posted April 2, 2014 6:59 am 

Dan D

Groves will win. There’s something about the way this boy unsettles Carl… He has the tools to outbox Froch and beat him to the punch. If I were George I would take a risk and lead with the right once or twice in the first round, from an orthodox stance, just to get in get a little further under Carl skin. Froch won’t get stopped, just can’t see it personally but Groves buzzed him harder than any fighter I’ve seen including Kessler, Ward and Taylor. Going with Groves by decision.

Posted April 2, 2014 6:45 am 


@Johnny Richards – It seems that this is your first article posted on this website, so perhaps your next effort will be much better.

That being said, it’s inappropriate to dissect and attempt to undermine another author’s work, when your own article factually contains so many errors. Your opinion carries little to no authority when it doesn’t appear to be based on fact or a fundamental knowledge of the sport.

Your article is nothing but lazy journalism, even if I coincidentally agree with one or two of the things you’ve said. You appear to have the audacity to criticise the comments expressed by others, without bothering to research the validity of your own claims, which leaves you open to criticism.

I’m not attacking you, merely telling you how it is…

Posted April 2, 2014 6:36 am 

St Vitus Dance

Johnny Richards, just a few more grammatical mistakes, “belief” should be “believe”, “their” is a strong demand should be “there”. Poor journalism if you can’t even get basics right fella

Posted April 2, 2014 6:32 am 


Amateur Hour

Posted April 2, 2014 6:10 am 

Johnny Richards

With regard to attendance, I stated 60,000 and more because ,as far as I’m aware, no extra seats have been made available on top of the sixty thousand. Although at the time Hearns was in negotiations with London Transport and other authorities for boosting the seating availability to 80,000, as their was still a huge demand for tickets.

Posted April 2, 2014 6:01 am 

Neil (pomy)

Groves did dominate the first half of the fight, it was hard to score any of the early rounds for Froch.

Posted April 2, 2014 5:30 am 

Neil (pomy)

I like Jim Watt …. but do find him annoyingly negative and repetitive at times when he is commentating.

Posted April 2, 2014 5:29 am 


The author doesn’t know the difference between fundamental punches, didn’t research the likely Wembly capacity, didn’t research the length of time that Paddy Fitzpatrick had previously worked with Groves and wrongly claimed that George “dominated” Carl for the first seven rounds (when some of these were difficult to score).

Posted April 2, 2014 5:23 am 


I agree in the fact that they should replace Jim Watt in the commentary box
But they never will
A squeaky high pitched panicking Scotsman has always been the foil to the cool calm collected main commentator
You have only to look at Star Trek , poor Scotty is whinging and wailing that they’re doomed
The more serious the situation the higher pitched the squealing
The Super Cool Captain Kirk takes it in his stride
He just shifts from one side of his chair to the other
Scotty is now spontaneously combusting

Kirk remains cool
The situation is won

Likewise with Jim Watt he offers nothing but a load of excited dribble and a high pitched squeal
But that’s what he’s there for

Posted April 2, 2014 4:54 am 


The fight was stopped correctly imo last time, better to stop it one punch to early that one to late, it has set up a rematch with both fighters earning iam sure massive money, so whats the problem, Froch will stop Groves again ..

Posted April 2, 2014 4:48 am

Wow, I’ve never seen such a civilized debate regarding a boxing match (and especially this huge fight).

50/50 imo depending on many factors. Is Froch shot? He’s 36 and has been in allot of wars so that wouldn’t come as a surprise. Will Groves gas out like he did last time (and in most of his fights)? Did Froch just have a bad night at the races last time out? How will both fighters handle the sheer magnitude of this event? Will Froch fall for Groves mind games again?

50/50 but if I were forced to bet, I’d bet on a similar outcome i.e. Groves takes the first half of the fight with Froch coming on strong and getting the stoppage in the late rounds. The only difference will be that the fight will take a more cautious path (as both fighters will now respect the others power) for the first half of the fight with it opening up after about rounds 6/7.

PS: It’s not 60,000. That was the number of tickets sold out within the first hour. The total no. of tickets is expected to be up to 80,000 (the max capacity of the stadium).

Posted April 2, 2014 4:15 am 

Kareem Abdul-Jabaar

The author needs to make up his mind whether it is a 60,000 or 80,000 capacity, for his info its 80,000.dont forget to pick up your spaghetti tree johnny.

Posted April 2, 2014 4:00 am 

Neil (Pomy)

I like both guys, dont care who wins … just want a fair fight this time. The stoppage last time was one of the worst i have seen. far too premature.

Posted April 2, 2014 3:56 am 

Ray Ray

A picture says a thousand words…..ref no, please let me keep leading with my face whilst Froch is throwing bombs. Oh man, can’t believe the ref stopped it?

Posted April 2, 2014 3:44 am 


Will be interesting to see how Froch’s chin is now. He took a lot of punches.

I’m going to watch it at Wembley. Can’t wait.

Btw I don’t buy the view that Froch is somehow pretending to be wound up to give GG false security. I think he genuinely is struggling to deal with an opponent who gives him little to no respect. That could easily manifest itself as Froch once again being reckless in the ring. If he is then I think GG stops him early.

Posted April 2, 2014 3:04 am 


… “Froch couldn’t land clean like Lennox did.”

Lewis didn’t land a lot of clean punches on Vitali. All the cuts were caused by foul blows and Lewis was outpunched by a substantial margin … and behind on all cards at the finish.

Posted April 2, 2014 2:03 am 


I think it’s interesting… All the Super Middleweights: Ward, Dirrell, Abraham, Kessler, Calzaghe, Rodriguez, DeGale, even Golovkin and Chavez who have a 168 fight pending… They’ll all be watching this fight with interest.. Nobody can say for sure who’s going to win. There’s a lot of animosity in this matchup that’s not contrived. It’s real. The fight itself is very competitive.

Most all those guys will be pulling for Groves to win. Everybody wants new blood and a potential future opponent – all thinking Froch is ready for the scrap heap in another year or two. That’s another reason older fighters tend to make something happen. They don’t like the feeling of being pushed out the door and approach these fights with cold blooded purpose. They’ve been here before and feel a bit underwhelmed by all the excitement.

Posted April 2, 2014 1:18 am 


Have to go with Froch, I think he really wants to destroy Groves this time, and certainly did’nt see him as a worthy enough opponent first time round.
Ward beats them both, but this is the fight of the division.

Posted April 2, 2014 1:06 am 

ufc diesel

Brilliant article and most truthful without all the hype and bs

Posted April 1, 2014 9:23 pm 


Popkins: “George won’t reign as champ for long”

Why do you believe so?

I’m asking because i haven’t really make up my mind yet how great is he. I think george has great speed, good foot work, serious power and nice style. He’s also developing quite fast. And he’s only 25 years rookie.

Why would you think he wouldn’t last long?

Posted April 1, 2014 8:18 pm 


What a fabulous debate this is, when you have two personalities come together with two different styles and not to mention the genuine hate for each other, it means we have a build up that does not get any better. Froch will be prepared as best as he can be and he a seriously hard man, Groves belongs at world level. I really dont know.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:58 pm 

Super Six

HBO are also putting $4 million into the pot, this is a big fight moneywise as well, $20-25 million altogether.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:31 pm 

Super Six

Froch and Groves could beat anyone, this is a domestic fight, but also the biggest World fight in the 168 division, Andre Ward take note.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:27 pm 

Henry Haroldson

Domestic level fight. Froch to retire after this, win or lose. Froch tko round 11.

Posted April 1, 2014 7:15 pm 

Douglas Bader’s Tin Legs

Draw. Froch-Groves 3, lol!

Posted April 1, 2014 7:11 pm 



Posted April 1, 2014 7:04 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Froch will win, again. Mainly because while he got outboxed much of the last bout he figured out Groves’ style late in their first fight and typically when that happens there’s carry-over. This time I don’t expect controversy.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:58 pm 

St Vitus Dance

The key to beating Froch is speed, always has been, and Groves has it in spades, he also has crunching power. What he does NOT have is a granite chin, he was hurt against Froch, Anderson, Smith and even Degale. I think he boxes off the back foot and wins a decision in a fight that fails to live up to the hype. But then again, who knows what will happen when the blood is up in this genuine needle match.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:36 pm 


But HHLONDON… Why be impartial? I like to hear a writer’s, sportscasters, take and personal reasoning behind their comments. It’s VERY, VERY hard to be totally impartial. I still don’t know how ref’s and judges do it.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:30 pm 

the dude

The only reason Groves was so dominant was because he was fighting a hazy fighter for 6 rounds or so (And still couldn’t put him away) because Froch leaned in and got himself knocked down – Once he recovered he began to turn it around – This time i see Froch so prepared from the get go that Groves will be koed around midway through the fight round 6 or 7

Posted April 1, 2014 6:25 pm 


groves will go all out for an early win but froch will be prepared for that.he will up his game and might even do a bute on groves.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:23 pm 


Most articles are written by amateurs and the odd one or two who have the backing of ESB have become mouthpieces for promoters like GBP.

The days of good, solid and impartial sports journalism are long gone.

Posted April 1, 2014 6:23 pm 


How much does Buffer get for his ‘rumble’ speech?
He’s got the best job of all,the wanker.
Anyone know?

Posted April 1, 2014 6:22 pm 


George won’t reign as champ for long but I think he has Froch’s number. He’ll come out fast and with even more confidence. I can’t c Carl surviving the punishment this time. Groves by KO.

Posted April 1, 2014 5:48 pm 


FROCH wins…. and not by decision either.

Posted April 1, 2014 5:38 pm 


Froch did struggle to land cleanly but he was getting through and was grinding groves down, making him get sloppy and fight froch’s fight. Groves’ face at the end was testament of the punches he took. Froch was just as bashed up but we know that his strength is being able to take more than his opponent. I genuinely feel that was the case in their fight. No doubt that groves was getting hit more and more. Froch reminds me of maidana in many ways: both are not the best boxers in the world (understatement) but are extremely tough men, able to force opponents into a brawl and win simply because they can handle more than the other guy. Froch has always had results this way and the danger is if he tries to change it now.

Posted April 1, 2014 5:22 pm 


WHO CARES?????????????

Posted April 1, 2014 5:20 pm 


Jim Watt’s commentary was a bit bias and it reminded me a little of Vitali vs. Lennox commentary. But i wasn’t irritated as much for a good reason. Groves was sensational like Vitali but the difference was Froch not being effective contrary to Lennox who had his moments in every round. Froch couldn’t land clean like Lennox did.

Posted April 1, 2014 5:11 pm 


Harry…you can probably see why I gave up reading. There really is no excuse for writing a boxing article (which by virtue attempts to portray the writer as an expert with a valid opinion) and not even being able to recognise the most basic punch in boxing.

Posted April 1, 2014 5:02 pm 


To me it looked like froch wasn’t effective with his fluries which have been his only weapon against world level opponents(bute, taylor). When he try to box he looks average(johnson, pascal).

Against Groves he has to be effective or he ends up in a fight where faster opponent hits and runs all night long(dirrell).

Unfortunately Groves knows how to block those fluries like(Kessler). To win groves just have to pace himself and win on points or get the tko by continuous straight rights and left hooks. Outcome could very well be broken nose or broken chin that forces Froch to stay on his corner.

Posted April 1, 2014 4:58 pm 


PLEASE CAN ALL authors/ writers give us a little blurb about who they are, who they write for and what connections they have with boxing after they pen their names to these articles?

I’ve never heard of JOHNNY RICHARDS and I must admit I STOPPED reading most articles on these forums a long time ago.

I actually only read the comments of the posters on here as they generally give me an idea of what the writers are saying or trying to say in their articles.

I read the most recent post from HARRY and when he disputed that FROCH was not dropped by a jab, as this writer suggests I had to actually read the article. Sadly, it is full of inaccuracies, full of conjecture and full of b.s.

How can this author own such nonsense, unless this is an APRIL FOOL’S DAY joke?
If this is not an APRIL FOOL’S DAY joke then please can all authors leave their credentials?

It’s time for us to know just what the credentials are of these so-called writers here. It’s embarrassing to read such tosh on a regular basis.

Posted April 1, 2014 4:54 pm 


Froch by KO. Groves won’t have the ref to save him from a terrible beating this time. He’ll regret whinging about the (premature) stoppage in the first one as he gets beaten to a pulp. I wonder how many times he will turn his back and run in this contest, I counted 2 in the first fight and he was actually winning on the cards.

Posted April 1, 2014 4:35 pm 

Turkish boxing fan

Groves by ud. But who knows..

Posted April 1, 2014 4:30 pm 


Taking Froch by legit stoppage

Posted April 1, 2014 4:21 pm 


Real 50/50 fight I think groves just sneaks it on a split or MD wouldn’t be surprised if Froch was booed in given his behaviour just after and since the first fight

Posted April 1, 2014 4:01 pm 


I read the article up until the author claimed that groves dropped froch with a ‘clear and precise jab’. What was the author watching and does he actually know what a jab is? For the record, he floored froch with a right cross come hook, not a jab which would have been thrown with his left hand. Maybe the rest of the article was ok but I’m not reading anything written by someone claiming to have a valued boxing opinion yet does not know the basics.

Posted April 1, 2014 4:00 pm 


Froch should win

Posted April 1, 2014 3:49 pm 


I was channel surfing and bumped into the first fight (good match, premature stoppage). I never heard of Grove. Is this one on regular cable?

Posted April 1, 2014 3:20 pm 


Froch looks like he is on the decline…while Groves is on the way up,hitting his peak.So is Froch that far gone…and is Groves at his best at this point??How much is left in Frochs gas tank…the answers will be known by round 5.If Froch looks hopeless after the fifth rd. Groves will be smart enough this time to pace himself and stay out of harms way.If the fight looks close and is going back and forth as they head into late rounds,then the tough war horse Froch has a great chance of bullying out a dec. or a late stoppage….I really dont see a early stoppage here,but ofcourse anything can happen…should be fun!!!

Posted April 1, 2014 3:08 pm 

Harry (the first)

I’d put money on Froch to win this one. I think it’s fair to say Froch didn’t take Groves very seriously the first time around. He’s going to try and make a definite statement in May so there’s no question who the better fighter is. If he doesn’t succeed and loses the fight I just hope he gives Groves credit and doesn’t come up with any excuses etc.

Posted April 1, 2014 3:07 pm 


“I don’t think Froch fans realise that there is simply nothing Froch can alter to win this fight.” He doesn’t have to alter anything. So long as the referee jumps out of the way of the stumbling Groves this time, Groves goes down and Froch takes the win without controversy.

Posted April 1, 2014 2:27 pm 


Agreed Harry.

However. I actually think an early stoppage is a reasonable prediction. Groves is a wonderful finisher. Again much like Haye.
I am absolutely certain he would have stopped Froch had the knockdown been a minute earlier. Hypothetical I know.

Posted April 1, 2014 2:07 pm 


Great article.

I don’t think Froch fans realise that there is simply nothing Froch can alter to win this fight. He is too slow, too predictable and has poor defence.

Groves by tko.

Posted April 1, 2014 1:37 pm 

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