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Pac-Mayweather will happen if Pac leaves TR, takes drug test each round, builds a stadium, pays BIR, pays IRS, wins fans survey and satisfies all other future conditions that Floyd may come up from time to time.

Posted February 27, 2014 7:51 am 


Hecdog I predicted that it wouldn’t happen after Pac beat Rios. SO listen to MY predictions not TARK’s. The Fight will happen IF Pac doesn’t resign with Top Rank for 2015. IF he does resign with Top Rank the Fight will never happen. Not to mention IF he LOSES to Tim Bradley again the Fight will never happen either.

Posted February 27, 2014 1:44 am 


Hecdog… May-Pac will happen. At some time…

Posted February 26, 2014 11:24 pm 


the yanks would not know a real drug test from a real pint of beer.

Posted February 26, 2014 3:51 pm 


My final comment on this forum and this topic. Thank you Tark. Very well said.

Posted February 26, 2014 3:41 pm 


Juan Manuel Marquez, Andre Ward, Mike Alvarado, and Manny Pacquiao all refused VADA testing for their last fight. Drug testing for athletes is a very serious business.

You want is an organization that doesn’t screw up your samples, or is involved with an ex-con, convicted PED pusher like Victor Conte.

The testing protocols, sample marking, storing, preservation, and retrieval of the samples are all very delicate processes. Pacquiao, Ward, Alvarado, and Marquez decided to use an organization that has been doing it for decades, and has all the expertise, infrastructure, facilities, and top certified personnel.

Brandon Rios complained that VADA didn’t even use a proper collection kit when it collected his last sample. He claims they screwed up the testing and the Chinese testing agency that did all the same tests passed him with flying colors… which is true… No wonder people don’t want to use VADA.

Posted February 26, 2014 11:39 am 


Cont. Generally it’s a lot of regurgitated non arguments that lend themselves to the altar of trying to get one up on the other in terms of insults and slander. This younger generation seems to be doing it’s best to cater to the lowest common denominator. I won’t be commenting anymore here but I will be keeping tabs on your articles and programs Mr. Herring. Thanks you for your professionalism and quality writing. I will be tuning in to your programs as well. Cheers my friend.

Posted February 26, 2014 2:08 am 


Cont. Back in earlier years the fellows who posted,on ESB were of an older more respectful generation. Before my time. However I enjoyed the input because these men were respectful and did not cater to tbe baser instincts that are so much the case now. Race seems to play a big factor now in regards to liking a fighter and disparaging another. I must say this because it is true. Years ago one could discuss boxing with civility and an open mind. Black,Italian,Irish,Jewish and Latino. It didn’t matter. The men who posted admired the fighter for his skill and offered up stirring debates on strategy etc.. Now its comments such as White boy this, Pacroid that, etc.. Personal issues which have nothing to do with boxing.

Posted February 26, 2014 2:02 am 


Good evening. Mr. Joseph Herring all I can simply state here is THANK YOU Sir. I pretty much practice the policy of listening to or reading a persons views regardless of my agreeing or disagreeing with said views with a respectful disposition. However I must say after reading this article by Mr.Vivek I have come to the conclusion that boxing journalism is not what it used to be. With the exception of yourself and perhaps 1or 2 others ESB has lowered its stsndards. The level of dislike that is aimed at Manny Pacquiao is truly off putting. Mr.Vivek seems hell bent on appealing to a certain fanbase here. I would not disparage any fighter regardless of my view of the fighter. However the comments on this site are some of the most acerbic and distasteful I have read in a long time. Years ago this site used to post some really good commentary devoid of race, pettiness and mean spiritedness.

Posted February 26, 2014 1:53 am 


Nope. Being the FASTER, QUICKER, and BETTER counter puncher in addition to being the BETTER Defender makes all the difference in the World. Lara will need to make major adjustments but he won’t be able to. It would be like trying to tell a little goldfish to transform himself into a SHARK SO that he won’t be eaten…Easier SAID than DONE…..We KNOW the adjustments that he needs to make its just that he just won’t be able to comply. Floyd by UNANIMOUS decision…..unless Lara can comply with the adjustment of making himself BETTER than Mayweather….I DOUBT it. Again Mayweather by UNANIMOUS decision.

Posted February 25, 2014 10:25 pm 

Hec Dog

The southpaw style makes all the difference in the world. Lara is smarter and more technically sound. Floyd not Lara would need to make more adjustments. Floyd fights one way. Lara is a master technical fighter. This is a bit of a chess match, but Lara wins this by UD.

Posted February 25, 2014 10:05 pm 

te tumbo

there’s no comparison between Broner and Floyd. one can over-analyze their respective skills and tactics but the primary disadvantage that worked against Broner was his utter inability to deal with a bigger fighter thoroughly acclimated to welter. consequently, Broner miscalculated with every punch, feint, and “roll” he attempted to employ v. Maidana who looked as if he was beating up on Floyd’s kid brother.

Posted February 25, 2014 10:04 pm 


Nope. Floyd would give Lara fits. Basically the same style but MUCH FASTER, QUICKER, and BETTER. Lara is mainly a counter puncher. If he wants to sit back and try to counter Floyd he’ll be in for a LONG night because he’s TOO SLOW to counter Floyd. He’s fast enough to counter Canelo and Trout though….IF he goes on the front foot and tries to attack Floyd then he’s giving UP his strength and playing to his own weakness and he’s TOO SLOW there TOO. He’ll be allowing Floyd to play to his own strength which is to counter him….All of these slower Fighters have very slim shots because of Floyd’s SKILL level. Rigo has the BEST shot because he MAY be able to WIN on points due to being more elusive and being able to out QUICK Floyd. IF you can’t out QUICK Floyd then you can FORGET it….Lara can’t DO it…..Floyd by UNANIMOUS decision.

Posted February 25, 2014 8:58 pm 

Hec Dog

Tark my friend, that over hand right will not land anywhere near Floyd Mayweather. Broner did nothing but lean back, which is the dumbest thing to do against that punch. Floyd will leave underneath and be a mile away or counter him with a thousand punches. Maidana simply does not have the physical tools, fighting style, speed or defense to make this competitive. Sure he will prod forward and land a few on the arms and body, but he’s going to be picked apart and stopped. As you mentioned, lara will give him fits and beat Floyd(IMO) and Manny Pacquiao will do the same. GGG will beat him also, but he’s a bit too big. I’m still waiting on that Pacquiao fight Tark. Do you think it’s still going to happen?

Posted February 25, 2014 8:43 pm 


Andre Ward flat out refused to use VADA for his last fight after Edwin Rodriguez asked him to.

Ward mentioned that Victor Conte was mixed up with VADA.. Ward doesn’t trust Victor Conte anymore after using him for several fights.

Posted February 25, 2014 6:33 pm 


Hecdog.., “Seriously, Maidana is the most predictable fighter in boxing. He has no chance whatsoever of beating Mayweather.”

He has a better chance than you have of winning the lottery. But people still buy lottery tickets, just in case. Maidana has a arching right hand that works well on the shoulder roll. Broner has one loss by the way. Nobody else came within a mile of beating him.

Now, I think Floyd is going to stop Maidana… and he couldn’t stop Lara in a 100 years… I’d love to see Floyd fight Lara, Garcia, OR Pacquiao.

I don’t think he intends to do that.

Posted February 25, 2014 5:27 pm 


Time for boxing fans to get smart and not buy this PPV or any other of Mayweathers BS fights. Seriously, Maidana is the most predictable fighter in boxing. He has no chance whatsoever of beating Mayweather. This is the biggest fraud of a fight ever. Floyd makes all of his fans look stupid as they vote for Khan, and Floyd laughs his ass off as he goes the opposite direction and instead picks Maidana. If anyone thinks Maidana has any chance whatsoever, they have some serious issues. Maidana has no defense, horrible feet, no boxing skills, no agility, no reflexes, no gas tank, the man offers nothing, but determination and toughness. This is a beautiful recipe for Floyd Mayweather. I guarantee 1000% that Maidana gets stopped badly. Boxing is letting Mayweather turn the sport into one big joke. You can give Floyd your money if you want to, but I’m not paying a dime. Mr Cherry Picker strikes again. Now, who’s going to pay for this farce?

Posted February 25, 2014 11:33 am 


Wada is actually not overseeing the drug testing for Pac vs Bradley. Why doesn’t Pac take the Vada testing that Roach supports?

Posted February 25, 2014 11:30 am 


Manny’s last performance was his most abysmal? huh?

Posted February 25, 2014 9:26 am 

Martin “El Bruchador” Honorio

And talking about legacy, ten years from now, when Mayweather retires (if he retires— the indication that he will go the route of Hopkins are all there— you know — still fighting in his 40’s) Mayweather will describe himself and the media that he is the greatest, the readers and the public will cry “But you duck Pacquiao, man!!! Wat dafuq???!!!!” Lol

Posted February 25, 2014 5:49 am 

Martin “El Bruchador” Honorio

Ya know, i notice Vivek’s writing…. sometimes when he’s in good mood, he praise Pacquiao, but when he’s in bad mood, he lambast Pacquiao. This time he’s ruthless to Pac , he must be having a rough time….. what could it be?

Posted February 25, 2014 5:39 am 


Bull sh it of tim tests positive its positive. Terrible comment can’t believe I wasted time reading that crap

Posted February 25, 2014 3:28 am 


VADA doesn’t have good people. Their tests can be wrong. If Tim tests positive you know they’re garbage. Rios and Pacquiao had 2 groups doing tests, just to be sure.

Posted February 25, 2014 1:06 am 



“It won’t make a difference, dammit…test, no test, vada, wada, whatever; Bradley is tapping that a** regardless. You can talk & speculate all you want about Floyd/Pac & about Manny & PED; all that will be rendered nil by a tenacious little fighter called Tim Bradley. If Pac uses PEDs, Tim’s beating him, if Pac fights clean, Tim’s beating him; it don’t matter, Pac’s not getting past Bradley.”

Now here is one fan that stands by it’s word , I know largo you said it before Tim will stop PAC and I am glad to see you still have the same opinion and not having escusses about bs tests … I hope you will give credit to paqiao if he beats Tim after the fight !

Posted February 25, 2014 12:32 am 


The prince

“Ultimately, this is bad for Pacquiao. If he beats Bradley, it will be with an asterisk behind it.”

Lmao!!! Already they started attacking paqiao … When PAC losses he is not on juice when he wins he is on them lol… Get a life haters!

PAC is going to fight an undefeated welterweight nr*4 on the p4p list while your hero cherry picker is fighting a guy who lost to khan ,Alexander ,kotelnik ,and got a gift decision against morals lol… So you just keep hating

Posted February 25, 2014 12:25 am 


Floyd is a gifted fighter. He got gifted a decision against Castillo, no knockdown decision against Judah, and Dela Hoya. His 0 loss is a fake. He avoided dangerous fighters who are fast and can move. Maidana is a sitting duck target. The fight is another multi million for Floyd and a very easy fight. The fans lose again. Shame

Posted February 24, 2014 11:59 pm 


BTW, Sugar Ray Robinson didn’t give up 15 pounds to anyone but Maxim—who beat him. Robinson wasn’t a welterweight anymore than Floyd Mayweather is still a 130-pounder.

Robinson was much bigger and taller than Carmen Basilio—who also beat him—and was also a lot bigger and taller than many other guys he fought as a middleweight, like welterweight Johnny Lombardo.

Robinson didn’t give up an ounce to Ralph Jones… Going into his fight with the taller Robinson, Jones had lost 5 straight fights—and to guys who had 44 losses. One of them was Pedro Gonzales who was 11-6…

Ralph Jones landed 79% of his punches (322 of 407) and gave Ray Robinson a one-sided boxing lesson … Ralph Jones was much too quick at moving his head and upper body and his hands were much too fast for Robinson. Ray was used to slow guys like Jake LaMotta—so a quick fisted guy like Ralph Jones made Robinson look like a novice.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:37 pm 


This pundit says.., “Maidana is considered a “cherry-pick” by those who’d rather Floyd give up 20lbs to someone no other fighter (outside the heavyweight ranks) would normally face.”

Heavyweights wouldn’t normally fight Erislandy Lara — who is Floyd’s mandatory at 154 because he just humiliated Austin Trout. Trout whitewashed Miguel Cotto, who Floyd said was, “The toughest fighter I ever faced.”

Heavyweights wouldn’t normally fight Danny Garcia—who is undefeated.. smashed Amir Khan.. and also beat heavily favored bomber Lucas Matthysse.. Matthysse bombed out Lamont Peterson.. Lamont is the boy who messed up Floyd’s ribs in sparring—postponing his fight with Marquez for 2 months.

Heavyweights wouldn’t normally fight Manny Pacquiao—who was Floyd’s mandatory at 147. Floyd decided Bob Arum was a good reason for him to duck Manny.

BTW… Convicted criminal, and jail bird PED pusher Victor Conte is mixed up with VADA… Andre Ward also said he wouldn’t do their tests when Rodriguez wanted them doned.

Fine with me… VADA testing stinks to high heaven. Brandon Rios swears he was cleaner than the board of health and VADA called him a cheat in the Pacquiao fight.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:33 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

Quackman ducking more PED testing. Smoke and mirrors. Manny is the most overrated boxer IN BOXING HISTORY.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:26 pm 


“Why am I not surprised at that post? Obv BoxtraRetard is posting under other screen names but forgot to change his handle before congratulating himself. Busted.”-LMFAO. I always pat MYSELF on MY back under my OWN name DUMB DUMB. I don’t post under any other names and there is no need to. I’m already the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!! No name can top it!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 9:42 pm 


“Mayweather has never tipped the scale above 152lbs. Ever. ”

So, Vivek, are you claiming you know what Floyd weighed, for every one of his fights, when he stepped into the ring?

Posted February 24, 2014 9:26 pm 


““Sugar” Ray Robinson was initially deemed the “pound-for-pound” king…”

Actually, I think Robinson gave himself that moniker.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:24 pm 


“But I can now publicly say that what was once a question is now an answer (in my mind): Something is definitely not clean about Manny Pacquiao!”

Oooohhh! Looking for a defamation, slander, and libel lawsuit, are you?

Posted February 24, 2014 9:22 pm 


“What hardcore fight fans don’t seem to comprehend is that marketing is a powerful thing.”

Exactly why Khan “deserved” to fight Mayweather. A Mayweather/Khan fight is very marketable. Probably just as much as Mayweather/Maidana is.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:20 pm 


“It’s official. Maidana is next.”

Oh great. For the next nine weeks we’ll be hearing about how Floyd is going to “avenge” Broner’s loss to Maidana. Like Floyd’s widdle brother Adrien got beat up by the bully down the street so now Floyd is going to go beat him up.

Oh how the crock will be flowing over with you know what.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:17 pm 


“If Mayweather pursued the Khan option, the same people saying he should pursue Khan now would say he “took the easy road” by sidestepping Maidana. ”

This is a big pile of hogwash.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:14 pm 


big moe

I don’t have to check anything because I already know these things. I’m not the one who was getting anything wrong you see. That was you.

I didn’t say that Mayweather did not mention Tszyu’s name during post-fight interviews twice. I simply corrected you on being wrong about claiming it was a call out and which interviews they were. So you really shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about doing their homework when you’re making such glaring mistakes as that.

Once again, mentioning someone’s name does not constitute a call out.

I guess it must’ve slipped your attention that fighters from former Soviet countries don’t really do much talking. Generally they do all their talking in the ring with their fists and are much more inclined to be respectful and polite than American fighters are. But Tsyzu was always asking for big fights but he never talked trash or called people out per say. He did say he wanted to fight Mayweather on a number of different occasions. But calling people out was never his style, just as it isn’t for Golovkin and many other former Soviets.

“It would be a great fight. I fought his uncle (Roger – W12 in ’95 in Newcastle, Australia) who’s training him now. It would be good to fight him too. I remember after Olympic Games (’96) we were in same room as Bob Arum, he just start his career. I already was world champion. It would be a good, good matchup. If the short time will be able to produce this match, it will be great fight.”

Tsyzu to Jim Grey during the post-fight interview for the Mitchell rematch.

JG: ”What do you do from here on in”

KT: Look, do you remember when I said to you I want big fights? If you guys show me the big fights, let’s do the business again.

JG: ”Who are you looking at?”

KT: ”I said any big names. Any big names. I don’t care guys. I don’t care. Look, if it’s gonna be big fights, look I come back to the States.”

I remember seeing an interview with Mayweather and his uncle Roger in 2004 where he admitted he would only fight Tszyu when he was old like his uncle Roger was. Those were his exact words. He also said in another interview that he though Tszyu was the p4p#1 and that there was just something special about him that he couldn’t put his finger on. Make no mistake he rated Tszyu very highly indeed.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:13 pm 

The Prince

It’s official. Maidana is next.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:13 pm 


“When Khan had a chance to face Alexander, rather than being confident enough in his ability to get the nod, (which would have given him well needed leverage to receive a Mayweather clash), he decided to sit on ice, afraid of a potential outcome that would take him out of contention.”

Well, Wallace is partly right but I don’t think fear played in part in Khan’s decision to not fight Alexander. Regardless, it’s immaterial. Mayweather agreed to fight Khan. Schaefer sent Khan the fight contract, Khan signed it and sent it back. Mayweather hasn’t signed it.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:09 pm 


Largo, I agree with you totally. Nonetheless, this guy is dirty, and when Timothy beats him while he’s juiced, he needs to get the credit for it. Pacquiao is on an complex mixture of HGH, human growth hormone, and insulin, a combination that is virtually undetectable in post fight drug tests, which is why he never has a problem with the post test, only the prefight testing.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:56 pm 

Fight Aficionado

For the record in case nobody noticed, this is what BoxtraRetard posted today: “Boxtradamus

GOAT posts Boxtra and PEEJ
Posted February 24, 2014 4:23 pm”

Posted February 24, 2014 8:51 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Funny someone posted as a fake Fight Aficionado today, the same day Supreme Clown makes his first appearance in months. Also on the same day BoxtraRetard exposed himself as another dork who posts under multiple screen names. You losers have no life. Go apply for that job as a Walmart janitor before your welfare expires.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:50 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Looks like Supreme Clown crawled out of his rock after a several month exhile since he was exposed as SRredmond under a different screen name. Much like how BoxtraRetard was caught congratulating himself today without changing his screen name.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:45 pm 

1200 Techs

list of KNOWN cheats:

erik morales
shane mosley
lamont peterson
andre berto
mickey bey
evander holyfield

now if you want to list people guilty based on speculations, you can throw EVERY TOP BOXER under that bus!

Posted February 24, 2014 8:43 pm 

The Prince

Ultimately, this is bad for Pacquiao. If he beats Bradley, it will be with an asterisk behind it.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:42 pm 

The Prince

You got to love Top Rank. They force Bradley to extend his contract to get the Pacquiao fight. Then when it comes to blood testing, Manny once again doesn’t do the random blood and urine testing, the very reason Floyd refused to fight him in the first place. I guess he’s afraid of needles again.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:38 pm 

@ Fight idiot

Here we go pacroides are now proclaiming Manny is out of his prime..face haters. Your God got ktfo by a 40 year old flat footed mexicant

Posted February 24, 2014 8:36 pm 

@ Fight idiot

I love how Floyd owns your psych.
Your nothing but a racist hating b!t@h.. ….. It’s

Posted February 24, 2014 8:34 pm 

te tumbo

“Mosley skipped over 140 and fought Oscar instead of Floyd. Who can blame him, more money” Shane is a confessed juicer. he should never be mentioned accept to point out that he’s a PED-cheat.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:13 pm 


It won’t make a difference, dammit…test, no test, vada, wada, whatever; Bradley is tapping that a** regardless. You can talk & speculate all you want about Floyd/Pac & about Manny & PED; all that will be rendered nil by a tenacious little fighter called Tim Bradley. If Pac uses PEDs, Tim’s beating him, if Pac fights clean, Tim’s beating him; it don’t matter, Pac’s not getting past Bradley.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:06 pm 


I used to think this guy knew the game really well but after his ridiculous opinions about Canelo being a live option, when it was obvious he had no attributes to be able to get to Floyd at all, and now him saying Maidana is a live option as well, when he has even less attributes than Canelo then i dont think he has the 1st clue what he is talking about tbh and Maidana wont win a single second of any round as he has absolutely no attributes to be able to get to Floyd at all and i think this fight tips a lot of fans over the edge who are becoming bored with his fights.

Posted February 24, 2014 7:56 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Im a former fighter who lives in San Fran, and what makes my skin crawl are fighters like Floyd and the rest of the black fighters. GTFO You black nut swallowers !!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 7:56 pm 

big moe

Phantom….twice. .check the henry bruseles fight….he said….” i would love to fight Kostya tyzuo…and hear that oscar de la hoya and shane mosley are moving down to 147. Floyd mayweather is willing to move up and fight” . Homework done. Thats twice.

And i dont remember tyzou mentioning floyds name at all. Even before his body went down. Floyd was calling out guys..but floyd had no reward to him..just a risk

Posted February 24, 2014 7:43 pm 

te tumbo

correction: Pacquiao*** . . . one asterisk for every time Manny* rejected stricter testing to face his primary rivals, Mayweather, Marquez, and Bradley.

Posted February 24, 2014 7:39 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

haha it’s always something w/ manny. he doesn’t wanna take drug tests AT ALL. hecdog, MANNY IS THE WORST. what kind of PEDs is it this time? the kind VADA can’t find?

Posted February 24, 2014 7:34 pm 


If Mayweather truly wanted to test himself against the best and fight against a prime great, he would’ve just fought Manny Pacquiao. That fight was there for him on a platter but he had to go and ruin it by making all those demands and putting obstacles in the way. He should’ve just fought him test or no test. That’s what every single one of Pacquioa’s opponents did. Mayweather was the only one who refused to fight him unless he took that test.

Posted February 24, 2014 7:28 pm 


big moe

Mayweather did not ”call out Tszyu” twice. There’s a world of difference between mentioning someone’s name and calling them out. Just because he said he wanted to fight certain fighters doesn’t mean he actually mean he really meant it. haha

And I think you’re the one who needs to do your homework. It wasn’t after the Castillo rematch that he mentioned Tszyu’s name, it was after he beat Jesus Chavez.

This the quote from the interview ad verbatim.

LM: ”Is this finally your last fight at 130?”

FM: ”This is my last fight at 130 pounds. I can’t make the weight no more. It was hard getting down to 130 pounds but I got there. I’m looking forward to moving up to 135 and fighting Paul Spadaforda and Castillo and hopefully moving up to 140 and fighting Kostya Tszyu.”

And the second time he mentioned Tszyu’s name was during the post-fight interview for the Henry Brussles fight. Jan 2005 when it was common knowledge that Tsyzu’s body was falling apart on him after decades of training like a complete maniac since childhood and he’d suffered a brace of back-to-back career threatening injuries.

Tszyu was a part-time fighter by that stage of his career due to this. He was only fighting once a year and had only seen under three rounds of action in two whole years. He was a physical wreck by then and it was common knowledge his body was falling apart on him. Mayweather and Hatton knew this as well as anybody.

Mayweather said he wanted De La Hoya during that interview as well. When De La Hoya was coming off the back of three straight defeats (the outrageous decision in the Sturm fight included), the last of which by stoppage.

Posted February 24, 2014 7:21 pm 

te tumbo

POPKINS, “hate” is a deceptive attempt to characterize perfectly legitimate questions about Pacquiao’s* “greatness” as something other than factual. otherwise, Pacquiao* consistently used his promotional clout to brush-off an always worthy Marquez and to dictate terms favorable to him every four years that he would agree to face an “older”, slower”, and “smaller” Marquez. Pacquiao* is also the only fighter in history to reject harmless and MUTUALLY-Applied testing to face his primary P4P rival and collect a $25—$50 million payday. what you call “hate” is actually contempt for a very good but carefully-managed hype-job who consistently targets vulnerable Names and avoids the best available competition. certainly Arum’s fingerprints are a big factor smearing Pacquiao’s* profile and Manny* is as dense as a busted chunk of concrete but that isn’t enough to forget how he’s corrupted the sport over the past 10 years.

Posted February 24, 2014 7:19 pm 


Pac fans have to remember that Pac only achieved fighter of the decade by abusing PEDs for the greater part of that decade. Pac has been on PEDs from 2001-present.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:48 pm 


LOL. Another FMJ circle jerk by Wallace…..shockingly

Posted February 24, 2014 6:45 pm 


te tumbo – Why all the “hate”? Floyd, Manny and Juan are all great fighters. Pacquiao and Marquez have both lost – they’re both in decline, their place in history won’t alter much now. If/When Mayweather loses – well, that loss/undefeated status will have a major impact on how his place in history is viewed. We will see.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:24 pm 

te tumbo

believe me, only the most experienced fight-fans correctly predicted the KO win for Marquez. otherwise, that “champ of the decade” pap was tailor-made for Pacquiao* NOT Marquez, which explains why it’s rarely if ever cited to bolster his ring-credibility.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:16 pm 

te tumbo

Btw POPKINS, both of those honorary “decade” titles are meaningless. i cite them more to ridicule the promotional hype attached to Pacquiao’s* bouts rather than the integrity of his fighter-profile or legacy.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:14 pm 

te tumbo

“JMM scored a great KO of a declining great fighter…in the following decade”(?). wait a minute(?). so the presumably still-prime Pacquiao* was the presumably “declining” fighter in their final matchup? not the “smaller”, “slower”, and 39-year-old Marquez? . . . suit yourself . . . peace.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:13 pm 

Old Coot

@ Ray Ray: All that pales in comparison to how Floyd has ducked Manny for half a decade! LOL!!

Posted February 24, 2014 6:11 pm 

big moe

@fight africado….do ur homework before spewing hate. Floyd chased mosley for years because Mosley had a bigger name than floyd. He called out Mosley and Oscar after he beat Henry Bruseles.

He also called out Tyzou twice…once after he beat corrales and again after he beat Castillio the second fight. Check the post fight interviews. Larry Merchant did the interviews. And then after Mosley beat Vargas, he was asked about a fight with Floyd and he said his tooth hurt. Again check the post fight interview.

When floyd wanted to fight Oscar, floyd was on top rank. Arum didnt want to do the fight because floyd wanted 20 mill. Arum said it wasnt there amd it clearly was becauase floyd pocketed 25 mill. Leave ur emotions at home and bring facts

Posted February 24, 2014 6:10 pm 


te tumbo

“. . . Manny* Pacquiao* will forever be remembered as the Fighter Of The decade” who was subsequently DEMOLISHED by arch-rival and Champion of the Decade Juan Manuel Marquez. it’s in the books for as long as the sport of boxing continues to exist. Marquez is Greater.

….Different decades my friend. Pacman was the fighter of 00-09 …nothing will change that. JMM scored a great KO of a declining great fighter…in the following decade. ……………………Duran is the fighter of the 70’s. He may have got schooled by Sugar and flattened by Hearns in the 80’s in a higher weight class. But HE IS STILL the fighter of the 70’s. …………………….. Take it easy. Popkins

Posted February 24, 2014 6:06 pm 


te tumbo…Four years apart – whatever. At least Manny fought him four times. JMM proved after the first and second Pacman fights that he was still at elite level. Manny is on his last legs as an elite level fighter now, having lost two (well officially anyway) of his last three fights. In the SIX years Pacquiao has been a major rival to Floyd, Mayweather has not fought him once. And Floyd is a true WELTERWEIGHT… Manny is a LIGHTWEIGHT!!! …. Imagine Billy Conn had been Joe Louis’ No.1 contender for 6 years and never fought him. The fans wouldn’t have accused Conn of ducking Louis. Rightly or wrongly, the blame would have been aimed at the champ of the division, the naturally bigger man, the Brown Bomber.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:00 pm 


Sorry Popkins isn’t correct
Mosley skipped over 140 and fought Oscar instead of Floyd. Who can blame him, more money.
Kostya was beaten by Hatton, as a matter of fact he quit
Margacheato is a cheater he should never be mention accept to point out he cheated
Arum said Cotto wasn’t ready for Floyd, funny how the fight was made once he left Arum
And yall just keep revisiting the Pac thing but ignore all the excuses Arum made and keeps blaming on Floyd.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:58 pm 


what a disgusting biaised article
when i think that at some time i enjoyed reading viveks articles – that days are long gone – all his articles now is about treating mayweather as a god and accusing pacquiao of juicing – it is getting really pathetic……

Posted February 24, 2014 5:57 pm 


Notice how Gonzo is an idot that post key board threats. Still waiting. lol

Posted February 24, 2014 5:55 pm 

te tumbo

“. . . Manny* Pacquiao* will forever be remembered as the Fighter Of The decade” who was subsequently DEMOLISHED by arch-rival and Champion of the Decade Juan Manuel Marquez. it’s in the books for as long as the sport of boxing continues to exist. Marquez is Greater.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:48 pm 

Ray Ray

Play where? Nothing any1 says on here can change that manny was named fighter of decade, can’t change Floyd is no.1 pnd 4 pnd. Can’t change manny got KO’d. Can’t do anything but speculate about peds. Move on…..there’s a great fight coming up lets focus on that. Haven’t seen u here 4 a while old coot? I was getting worried 4 u…..

Posted February 24, 2014 5:48 pm 

te tumbo

“He didn’t need to give his most tricky opponent of all time another shot. He did though. Why? Because Manny is a throwback warrior who isn’t afraid to fight anyone” Four (4) F’n Years apart? pffft?! why did Pacquiao* avoid the eagerly-anticipated red-hot rematch in the first place? because he believed that a faded Morales coming off of another flat-performance and loss v. Barrera was riskier? once again, pft(?!). he avoided Marquez for as long as he could and Team Punkuiao* publicly-declared their belief that Marquez was too “old”, “small”, and “slow” to merit additional bouts v. Pacquiao*. however, Marquez made himself unavoidable by unifying at lightweight and carefully bulking-up to welterish. at which point, Team Punkuiao* continued to declare him “old”, “small”, and “slow” enough to finally erase him from Pacquiao’s* ledger. fortunately, Marquez proved their miscalculations wrong each and every time Manny* dared face him in a boxing ring.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:46 pm 


@big moe

Great Post @big moe. I love to read posts that make no sense whatsoever, and you last post falls right into that catagory.
Keep it up………..

Posted February 24, 2014 5:45 pm 

Hec Dog

Boxing Super Star Manny Pacquiao will forever be remembered as the Fighter Of The decade. The Only 8 division Boxing Champion in history. The fighting Congressman. The world’s most influential athlete. Manny Pacquiao on the cover of TIME Magazine. The endorsement King. Manny Pacquiao has a plethra of careers at his door step. A great singer, actor, model and Role model to the world. Manny Pacquiao, the 5ft 6 inch prize fighter shocked the world when he destroyed the great Marco Antonio Barrera. The reign of terror continued as he obliterated Marquez, Morales, Larios, Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, Margarito, Clottey and Mosely. These were boxing’s best years 2003-2011. The world was kept in suspense each tie a Manny Pacquiao fight was announced. Manny “Mania” was alive and well, and Manny became the most popular and influential person in the world. He met with world dignitaries. President Obama invited him to the White House. Rumor has it that Manny actually gave the President advice on many issues regarding the country. Kobe Bryant put out his latest shoe that was inspired by none other than Manny Pacquiao after observing one of his famous workouts. Manny Pacquiao helped pass legislation to in his country to help stop Human Trafficking. Manny Pacquiao has two platinum albums for his spectacular songs. Manny Pacquiao is one of a kind. He has that special ability to succeed in anything he chooses in life. Boxing is his first career and priority, and his triumphant return to the ring against Brandon Rios will go down in the history books as one of the most spectacular, clinical boxing exhibitions ever. The puncher became a graceful boxer with poetic movement seen only in a young Cassius Clay. The speed of hands was reminiscent of a cobra strike. Manny Pacquiao will be in the GOAT conversations because what he did inside the ring. His accomplishments be marveled at for generations to come. This is a great fighter, probably the greatest of all time. He will win back his title on April 12th.and his story will continue to be written. There will never be another story like that of Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao. Manny is the best ever! Trust me on this, in his prime he is unbeatable.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:43 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Kostya Tszyu, prime Mosley, prime Cotto, Margarito, prime Pacquiao….FIVE reasons why Pacman was fighter of the decade and Floyd wasn’t..” – Popkins is correct.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:42 pm 

big moe

Pac has refused drug testing for quite a bit here. But after Marquez sent his brains to the moon, people cried foul. Then, this same Pac wanted rios to test and used the VADA.

Why did Pac want a cut off date during negotiations with floyd? What did he have to hide? That “im scared of needles crap is just that…CRAP. He has tattoos that uses NEEDLES to make the design. If hes clean…calls floyds bluff, take the test and he can even include that 10 million dollar penalty if he wants.

By the way, hes not beating Bradley. Arum wont allow it. Bradleys the new cash cow. No way Pac walks away with that belt and no contract extention

Posted February 24, 2014 5:40 pm 

Old Coot

Ray Ray… Go play.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:35 pm 

Ray Ray

All this talk about Manny & Floyd meanwhile Bradley relaxed & ready 2 get down 2 business….Mannys fans need 2 relies Floyd is pnd 4 pnd no.1 ATM and that won’t change unless beaten….as far as fighter of the decade go’s… could u b fighter of a decade u didn’t take part in 4 2.5 yrs? I do remember when Floyd whooped that guy who put manny out after his lengthy layoff. I’m going manny over Bradley but I think he will lose again 2014….if he’s not fighting some1 like Rios.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:33 pm 

Old Coot

Popkins: AAAAAMEN!!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 5:32 pm 

Old Coot

moonshineman: Thanks… I could be blind drunk on Wild Cat but still see Floyd is scared of Manny.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:31 pm 

Cheese Cake In New York

Floyd is the P4P ducker !!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 5:27 pm 


@Old Coot

You are Correct sir………..

Posted February 24, 2014 5:22 pm 


te tumbo…So JMM signed Pacman’s name on the contract eh? After two fights with Marquez Manny had scored 4 knockdowns and had one win and a draw. He didn’t need to give his most tricky opponent of all time another shot. He did though. Why? Because Manny is a throwback warrior who isn’t afraid to fight anyone. Most of his opponents over recent years have been world class. Most have been bigger than him. And after being given a helleva fight from him the first time, Manny fought JMM three more times. …

Posted February 24, 2014 5:21 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Notice how PEEJ has a million excuses to defend Floyd not taking the fights the boxing world at large desperately wanted or wants to see him take and just as many to defend the ones they didn’t want to see him take? Floyd has never once fought a great opponent who was in their prime, you’d think PEEJ and the rest of that sorry ass band of lobotomised reptiles Flomo losers would be chomping at the bit to see him tackle one. Alas not. Floyd’s had over 17 years at the top to do that but somehow he managed to miss them all. His fanboys will try and have you believe this is merely a coincidence but deep down even they know he’s a cherrypicking ducker who avoided the best. His excuses for doing so are as empty and hollow and as the space between your average Flomo’s ears.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:14 pm 

te tumbo

“Just like Marquez tried to repeatedly, and finally did”. preCISEly. Marquez and Marquez alone is responsible for his multi-weight rivalry v. Pacquiao*. if it were up to Pacquiao*, not even a second bout would’ve ever taken place between him and a prime Marquez. ultimately, it was a 39-year-old Marquez at a compromising weight who settled their rivalry with the #1 KO in Boxing History.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:12 pm 


He isn’t using my name just to be clear. Someone is though at times.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:11 pm 

Fight Aficionado


GOAT posts Boxtra and PEEJ
Posted February 24, 2014 4:23 pm”

Why am I not surprised at that post? Obv BoxtraRetard is posting under other screen names but forgot to change his handle before congratulating himself. Busted.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:09 pm 

Old Coot

Floyd’s apologists can try to distract with nonsense, all they like… But the bottom dollar line is that a REAL ATG champ who’s not scared of Manny, would have just shut Manny’s fans up over 4 years ago… PED’s or not!! Just like Marquez tried to repeatedly, and finally did. Not just let his legacy dissolve away under ever mounting accusations of fearfully ducking Manny like Floyd. Therein lies the truth, all else is Floyd’s and his fans’ con-job

Posted February 24, 2014 5:08 pm 

te tumbo

correction: accordingly, i will ratchet-up my exposure of Pacquiao* as the suspect and carefully-managed promotional hype-job he continues to be.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:08 pm 

te tumbo

La BAMBOOZLED, Thanks for the endorsement! accordingly, i will ratchet-up my exposure of Pacquiao* as the carefully-managed, promotional hype-job he continues to be.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:07 pm 


Wada just over sees it they are not a testing group.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:06 pm 

te tumbo

Pacquiao* was defeated, outclassed, and KTFO in 3/4 of his most recent bouts at welter. his comeback v. Rios coming off of a loss and in his first bout at 147lbs hardly makes up for those glaring setbacks. at most, Manny* is in the middle of the welter pack that includes Garcia, Maidana, Thurman, and Mathysse. he is not interested in facing any of these prime welters and continues to haggle himself out of a showdown v. Mayweather or a final redemption-bout v. arch-rival Marquez. Pacquiao* didn’t even clean-out lightweight (Marquez did that) and he’s yet to make a lasting dent in what is the deepest division in boxing, which he insists has no worthwhile challenges for him to seriously consider. consequently, he remains a hyped-up FRAUD and less than rivals Mayweather and Marquez.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:04 pm 


take away the peds off these modern prima donnas and they are average at best.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:03 pm 

La Bamba

te tumbo just shut up for you are FOS!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 5:01 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, refusing to abide by MUTUALLY-Applied testing procedures is cheating in principle if not in actuality. bottomline, how can one fighter being scrutinized more strictly than their opponent be considered fair or equal? IF the “honorable” St. Pacquiao* were truly so ethical, he would not allow himself to end up on the suspect end of this equation.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:57 pm 


why should i care who earned a fight? i just want to see the best fights.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:54 pm 

te tumbo

“[Margarito] is well a cheater and should never be mentioned unless you are talking about the fighters he may have ruined or the simple fact that he is a cheater”. so is Shane Mosley who confessed to cheating as opposed to Tony who has always maintained his innocence and negligence. moreover, several trainers (including Nazim) are on record corroborating Margarito’s alibi of ignorance. i’ve yet to read a single trainer vouching for Shane’s ignorance of what he was did for his rematch v. DLH, which he should’ve lost on the scorecards to begin with. anyway, i always find it revealing to note which instances of “cheating” are committed to memory and which are regularly forgotten or suspended to spare certain fighters the stigma of their cheating.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:52 pm 

La Bamba

WADA to conduct drug tests for Pacquiao-Bradley 2
Posted at 02/18/2014 7:51 PM | Updated as of 02/18/2014 7:51 PM
The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) will be conducting the drug testing for the April 12 rematch between Filipino champ Manny Pacquiao and unbeaten American Timothy Bradley, Top Rank chief executive Bob Arum said.

The Las Vegas Review Journal reported that Top Rank will pay for the drug testing.

“For a big fight like this, you have to have the best testing,” Arum told the Review Journal.

The Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) had conducted the random drug testing in Pacquiao’s previous fight against American Brandon “Bam Bam” Rios.

“We reached out to VADA, but I talked to Cisco (Nevada Athletic Commission chairman Francisco Aguilar), and he said WADA did a great job with the (Juan Manuel) Marquez-Bradley fight,” explained Arum. “So we’re going with WADA.”

Arum told the Review Journal that the drug testing will cost around $35,000, but said the amount is “justified.”

“The fans need to know that they’ll be seeing two clean athletes inside the ring on April 12,” he said.

Bradley will be defending the WBO welterweight championship against Pacquiao in the bout, which will be a rematch of their controversial first encounter in June 2012.

Pacquiao, for his part, is attempting not just to regain the WBO belt but also to avenge the highly controversial split decision that he dropped to Bradley in that first fight.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:50 pm 


Boxtradamus… Thank you Boxtradamus. That’s my point. FOUR years ago. Four years ago Floyd got rocked by a 39 year old Sugar Shane won on points. A Mosley that hadn’t fought in over a year. A Mosley that was coming off three overhyped victories over washed up versions of Vargas/Mayorga, a loss to Cotto and a draw to the average Collazo. The Margarito win was a his last great win, a victory that made it look like he was “the old” Shane. But he wasn’t. And then Pacquiao, a natural lightweight, floored him and schooled him over 12. …. So as you say the P4P No.1 has not fought a P4P top 5 fighter for FOUR YEARS. And even in 2010 that opponent was questionable!…

Posted February 24, 2014 4:44 pm 

Tomato Can

To be fair, Pac has cleaned out Top Rank’s 147 pound fighters, other than Bradley and JMM, that is. However, right now there are a lot of 140/147 pound fighters that will never get a shot at Pac, or Mayweather. That still doesn’t remove the fact tha Mayweather is today’s number one fighter. And until he loses or retires, he’ll remain number one. There’s nothing Pac can do about that without fighting and beating him.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:40 pm 


Kostya was beat by Hatton whom Floyd fought when he was undefeated. Floyd tried to fight Mosley back in the day but Mosley declined and fought Oscar instead. Who can blame him, Arum wouldn’t let Cotto near Floyd, Margacheato is well a cheater and should never be mentioned unless you are talking about the fighters he may have ruined or the simple fact that he is a cheater. Floyd has won 5 ESPYs. This is an award voted on by fans, not writers. Proof is that Roach just won trainer of the year, he was not the trainer of the year last year. There where many other candidates way more deserving that he was.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:35 pm 


Kostya Tszyu, prime Mosley, prime Cotto, Margarito, prime Pacquiao….FIVE reasons why Pacman was fighter of the decade and Floyd wasn’t..

Posted February 24, 2014 4:31 pm 


Mosley. He was BIGGER than Floyd and Top 3 P4P and Floyd SPANKED the SKILLS out of him.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:27 pm 


Pacquiao is about to fight the No.3 P4P fighter in the world, Tim Bradley, a man who matches up to him physically, and is arguably bigger than Manny. …. When was the last time Floyd fought a top 5 P4P guy that was as big/bigger than him? …? … ?…

Posted February 24, 2014 4:25 pm 


GOAT posts Boxtra and PEEJ

Posted February 24, 2014 4:23 pm 


Pac never cleared out the welter weight division

Posted February 24, 2014 4:22 pm 


great post Fight Aficionado

Posted February 24, 2014 4:21 pm 


SURE….When Marquez was a Top 10 P4P Welter he out Boxed Pacquiao and knocked him the F out. When Pacquiao faced Hatton he was a Jr WW. When he faced Mosley, Mosley already had the SKILLS beat out of him by Mayweather and had been turned into a #0 P4Per at that point. When Pacquiao faced De la Hoya Floyd had already beat the CHAMPIONSHIP level out of him and he was a #0 P4P NON CHAMP when Pacquiao faced him. Cotto was the only Top 10 P4P Welter that Pacquiao legitimately beat. You have been enlightened.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:21 pm 


Who reads Vivek’s rants? The dude is a so far up Floyd’s behind he doesn’t know about what’s happening on the outside of Floyd.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:20 pm 


When Mosley was the #1 Welter and #3 P4P he wanted to face Pac and he got turned down. Even after Pac ducked another Top 10 P4P Welter in Floyd he then turned and faced #0 P4P NON CHAMPIONSHIP Welter in Clottey…As opposed to Floyd when he couldn’t get #1 P4P WBO CHAMP Welter in Pac he turned to the next highest rated opponent and took on #3 P4P WBA CHAMP Welter in Mosley…..SO Floyd has the history of facing CHAMPS and Top 10 P4P ers and defeating them while Pac has the history of ducking WW CHAMPS and Top 10 P4P Welters until he had no where else to go and thats when he got out Boxed, and knocked the F out…..Then guess WHAT???? He immediately went back to facing a #0 P4P NON WW CHAMP in Rios while Floyd took on the Unified JR MW CHAMP and #10 P4P Canelo….and now Floyd is taking on WBA WW CHAMP in Maidana. SEE the difference????

Posted February 24, 2014 4:14 pm 


Pac cleaned out every Welter that was #0 P4P. Floyd cleaned out the Top 10 P4P ers. When Pac tried to change UP and start cleaning out P4Pers instead of #0 P4P Welters he got out Boxed and knocked the F out.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:09 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Can’t say Pac cherry picks when he cleaned out the entire 147 division during the time Floyd was the so-called champ. Floyd ducked all of the perceived threats at 147 Cotto, P Williams, Clottey and Margarito, instead letting Pac beat 3 of 4. And as time goes by it becomes more and more obv it’s Floyd who’s been ducking Pac from day 1.

Posted February 24, 2014 4:06 pm 


If you say Floyd is a cherry picker then you have to say Pac is one also. Heck you would have to say most champs these days are for the exception of a few. Marquez comes to mind as someone that has fought or tried to fight everyone.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:55 pm 

te tumbo

Damn these ESB message-board filters are frustrating(?!). at the moment, Herron’s being spared a swift kick in the nuts by yours truly.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:54 pm 

Fight Aficionado

So Vivek calls Pac a steroids cheat and defends Floyd’s cherry picking in the same article. Not surprising. Vivek is a guy who also accused Matthysse of being on PEDs because he was taking Amino 4500 yet excused PEDerson for using synthetic testosterone. Vivek’s schtick is to accept any excuse for the boxers he likes and make accusations of those he doesn’t. Essentially he’s a fan who writes stories. Which is fine because ESB is after all a site with “news and views.” Just don’t try to pretend like you’re the former when you’re obv the latter.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:52 pm 


why do I have to be on Floyds payroll? I wouldn’t mind it, they seem to have loot and having fun. But because I ask why nobody questions Arums excuses for the fight not being made I am on Floyds payroll. I mean is every Pac fan on Arums payroll?

Posted February 24, 2014 3:45 pm 

te tumbo

I DON’T GIVE A GOOD g*DDAMN ABOUT TESTING until one fighter inexplicably haggles or declines Harmless and MUTUALLY-Applied testing like Pacquiao* has several times already. that is a HuuugE red-flag that Pacquiao’s* cheerleaders consistently pretend isn’t waving in the faces of every true fight-fan NOT buried deep between St. Pacquiao’s* ass-crack.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:44 pm 


NICE choice by Floyd. He gets to show that he is LEAPS and BOUNDS BETTER than Broner….and he gets to beat his 11th CHAMP in his last 13 Fights. That always makes ME say WOW!!! Because it has NEVER been done before. Floyd is doing in 13 Fights what most Fighters don’t DO in their entire CAREERS….Not to mention that he also just beat 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters in his last 7 Fights. Now compare that to Roy Jones who only beat 2 Top 10 P4P opponents in his ENTIRE LIFE. WOW!!! Or compare that to Wladimir Klitschko who hasn’t even beat ONE Top 10 P4P opponent in his LIFE! WOW!!! WOW!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 3:42 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Obv Maidana is the better choice over Khan. He’s still too slow to catch Floyd though I do hope he brings the heat from round 1 like he did Broner. The only way to compete with Floyd is pressure that could eventually lead to holes in his defense. Too many guys ease back because they don’t want to get counter punched.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:29 pm 


PEEJ has to be on Mayweather’s payroll……….

Posted February 24, 2014 3:24 pm 



Posted February 24, 2014 3:18 pm 


The FACT is that Arum had Pacquiao turn down the BEST deal that he was ever going to get. Floyd had agreed to a 50-50 deal with a 2 week cut off. Pacquiao turned it down saying he needed a 24 day cutoff and squandered the RICHEST Fight in History where he would have pulled in HALF….Big SISSIFIED DUMMY.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:18 pm 

Cincinnatti Cobra

I almost feel bad for Pac.

He’s stuck in a really bad situation where he has to keep juicing just to break even financially.

We all know Pac is $70 Million USD in debt and is past his prime, going 2-2 in his last 4 fights.

Pac MUST win against Bradley to generate 2-3 more high grossing PPV events before he can retire.

I understand him desperately needing Justine Fortune right now, only Fortunes’ extensive knowledge of PEDs and connections can re-juvenate Pac at this point in his career. This explains Pacs’ refusal do do VADA suddenly.

The down side is that with Fortune on his team, Pac will never get the mega fight with Mayweather because all Mayweather fights have USADA testing and Pac could never pass that test on Fortunes’ PED regimen.

It’s sad to see another boxer have nothing to show for 20 years as a proffessional, legacy shattered and not a dime to his name.

Boxing is a brutal sport.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:17 pm 


Arum FEARED Floyd that’s all. The two RICHEST Fights in History were done at the MGM Grand. But Bob all of a sudden thought that a stadium needed to be built??? SISSY.

Posted February 24, 2014 3:16 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Gonzo runs ESB. fact.

Gonzo never loses debates. Fact.

Gonzo is the greatest poster in ESB’s illustrious history. Fact.

Posted February 24, 2014 2:59 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Vivek doesn’t give two hoots about fighters taking illegal PEDs, providing they’re black that is. Neither do any of these repulsive feces gorging subhuman invertebrate Flomos. You’d have to be even less intelligent than they are not to be aware of this.

Posted February 24, 2014 2:54 pm 


So someone please tell me why 4 months was not enough time to promote a fight that they whole world wants to see? Can someone tell me why there needed to be a stadium built for this particular fight? These where 2 reason given by Arum on why the fight couldn’t be made a year or so ago? Arum even said the fight couldn’t happen because Floyd was going to jail in June even though the fight would of been scheduled for May. So once again can someone please explain the reasons for this?

Posted February 24, 2014 2:50 pm 

Joseph Herron


Srminimo: “Joseph Herron- Thank you for your comments today.I’ve seen your posts and pieces enough to know you’re an objective, responsible reporter and I think it’s great and appropriate that a guy with an obvious personal agenda (whether it’s to favor someone, discredit another or to simply attract attention) is called out on his irresponsible reporting. By the way, do you think there are people actually asking Vivek questions or does he make those up too?”

Thank you for the kind words, Srminimo. It’s not fair to the sport or the real fight fans who truly love boxing to hear this nonsense regurgitated without merit.

Opinions are opinions and facts are facts.

Real journalists know the difference. The great fans of boxing deserve to know the difference as well.

Posted February 24, 2014 2:49 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

Tier Two luminary Brother Joseph ripping Vivek a new a-sshole. ROFL

Posted February 24, 2014 2:49 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka The New Edgar Allen Poe

”As a huge fan of the sport and an even bigger fan of the man, I must say, it was absolutely humbling to see what we witnessed in what will undoubtedly be his final fight of his career.

Had Jones jr. walked away after the Ruiz heavyweight clash, I think we’d be talking about him as the greatest fighter to ever lace up a pair, bare none, based on superlative talent.”

–Vivek Wallace on PROVEN steroid CHEAT Roid Jones

Posted February 24, 2014 2:45 pm 


That is not a spoke screen. He is taking part in random testing that the Olympic committee uses. Pac wouldn’t even do that.

Posted February 24, 2014 2:21 pm 

Vivek Wallace (THE REAL)

”Floyd is NOT taking part in VADA testing. He is using USADA as a smoke screen”

Posted February 24, 2014 2:16 pm 


Joseph Herron- Thank you for your comments today.I’ve seen your posts and pieces enough to know you’re an objective, responsible reporter and I think it’s great and appropriate that a guy with an obvious personal agenda (whether it’s to favor someone, discredit another or to simply attract attention) is called out on his irresponsible reporting. By the way, do you think there are people actually asking Vivek questions or does he make those up too?

Posted February 24, 2014 2:15 pm 


Of course someone wants to use my name, I agree though he should also be taking the testing.

Posted February 24, 2014 2:14 pm 


So someone please tell me why 4 months was not enough time to promote a fight that they whole world wants to see? Can someone tell me why there needed to be a stadium built for this particular fight? These where 2 reason given by Arum on why the fight couldn’t be made a year or so ago? Arum even said the fight couldn’t happen because Floyd was going to jail in June even though the fight would of been scheduled for May. So once again can someone please explain the reasons for this?

Posted February 24, 2014 2:14 pm 


”The more Andre Ward ducks the random testing the more guilty he looks. He could shut everybody up by just taking the test instead of constantly denying the test. Could all be put to rest but he won’t.”

Posted February 24, 2014 2:13 pm 


Well said, Popkins. You got the beat.

Posted February 24, 2014 2:00 pm 


When is Floyd ‘Money’ May gonna fight Manny? C’mon, Floyd, your 0 might go, but at least you’ll gain some respect from many more fans than you do now!

Posted February 24, 2014 1:58 pm 


Floyd’s greatest potential rival throughout his career is a man who is naturally two divisions smaller than him. That speaks volumes about how good Manny Pacquiao is, and why he was voted the fighter of the decade.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:57 pm 


So if he is so willing to take the fight why did Arum suggest there needed to be a stadium built which was a road block and why did Arum say 4 months was not enough time to promote a fight that apparently the whole world wants to see?

Posted February 24, 2014 1:49 pm 


C’mon Floyd, fight Manny!

Posted February 24, 2014 1:42 pm 


Vivek makes me read ESB. He is the most gifted of all this writers like him or not. i just love his logic however much a minority disagrees. How does a figher take a stance and next minute he distances from that. It makes no sense.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:32 pm 

Constantine the Czar

My friends, we have it here. Manny Pacquiao is the greatest warrior of his generation. A purely natural 100% clean fighting phenomenon the likes of which the world has rarely seen. World Championship Titles in EIGHT Divisions, numerous Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year awards, epic rivalries and with a willingness to SHOWCASE his talent ALL OVER THE WORLD (unlike that Floyd* Mayweather character), Manny Pacquiao is a man, nay a Superhero, who gives EVERYONE in the GLOBAL COMMUNITY a chance to witness his astounding God-given natural talent. Manny is truly an icon, a FIGHTER FOR THE AGES, a ring warrior akin to a larger-than-life figure, another Superman, Spiderman, Batman, Captain America, Captain Marvel, and even Iron Man, a legend who bestrides the Fight Game like a God from Mount Olympus, a superhuman, a blazing comet, a speeding supersonic meteor, a dazzling shooting star, a supernova even, a punching peerless pugilist, a fearless fighting Filipino folk hero, a tremendous terrorizing tornado of wrath inside the ring. My friends, Manny Pacquiao, the FIGHTING LION of the PHILIPPINES, fears no man. Manny is a fighter without compare, a boxer to live forever in people’s hearts and Manny is, of course, the best.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:29 pm 

Old Coot

Floyd is scared… All else is distraction.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:27 pm 


This seems significant – Pacquiao fans want the fight, Mayweather fans don’t.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:21 pm 


Pac does get praise for doing what he did. But claiming someone is scared to fight him based on the fact that one fighter is willing to take random testing while the other isn’t is ridiculous. And trying to defend Pac by saying he is clean is hard to do when he won’t take the test and then his trainer also comes out and says his former S&C coach someone hired and pushed on Pac by his trainer says a lot.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:19 pm 


I understand it is very hard for Pac fans to accept the fact that he is perhaps the worst PED cheat in all of history.

Most of us know the truth already, one day Pac will repent and confess.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:14 pm 


There is no 14 year program on this planet, legal or illegal, that would have enabled…Cotto, Hatton, Morales, De La Hoya, Clottey, Margarito, Diaz, Rios, and Barrera etc etc (!) to rip through multiple divisions in the devastating fashion that Pacman did. I find it amazing that some boxing fans (assuming that is what they are?), find it impossible to give one of the sport’s great fighters any praise. Until there is some concrete evidence that supports drug taking, which there is not, show some respect and give the man some credit.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:12 pm 


Floyds 0 is very real.

Posted February 24, 2014 1:09 pm 


Floyd’*s fake ‘0’ will have to be guarded well in his last few ‘fights’…

Posted February 24, 2014 1:06 pm 


Yeah Popkins but Cotto, Hatton, Morales, De La Hoya, Clottey, Margarito, Diaz, Rios, and Barrera didn’t work with shady strength coaches for 14 years straight. It’s not just about a magic potion, it’s about a sustained and prolonged PED program.

Go to youtube and search Justine Fortune PEDs, see how Justine Fortune feels about PEDs.

Watch as the man who has overlooked Pac’s nutrition and supplements for 9 years casually condones PED use like it’s no big deal.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:57 pm 


Problem with the so called testing he did in China was the simple fact that it was in China. I find it alarming that Rios comes up dirty for the first time when he just so happens to have Pacs S&C coach in his corner. He never agreed to taking the test when Ariza was in his corner. Then Roach comes out and says Ariza is dirty, Roach is the one who hired Ariza and insisted Pac to use him. Alarming.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:56 pm 


The more Pac ducks the random testing the more guilty he looks. He could shut everybody up by just taking the test instead of constantly denying the test. Could all be put to rest but he won’t. On top of that Arum comes out with crazy demands like we need a stadium built or there just isn’t enough time to promote this fight. lol

Posted February 24, 2014 12:54 pm 


For a boxer in his mid 30’s coming off “two” losses Pacman looked awesome in last fight. AND he went along with the drug testing too. I know it was only against a No. 10-15 ranked guy, but it was still an annihilation job. I find it hilarious that some people accuse him of taking some sort of “magic potion” that turns him into a great fighter…WTF?! I’m sure if Cotto, Hatton, Morales, De La Hoya, Clottey, Margarito, Diaz, Rios, and Barrera had all had this hocus pocus magic drink they’d all have destroyed Pacquiao, right? LMFAO. The bottom line is: there is no universally accepted drug testing organisation in boxing, and until there is, it’s unfair to try and tarnish another person’s achievements and reputation, with no legitimate evidence whatsoever.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:52 pm 

Old Coot

Hmmm… Funny how non of Floyd’s public fans thought of Manny and PED’s until Camp Floyd made unfounded accusations. Then suddenly they were all hocking that lie about Manny! LOL!!

Posted February 24, 2014 12:47 pm 

Old Coot

Plankton… Too bad the only one that is real in your little list is the KO. Which is what Floyd is scared Manny will do to him.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:44 pm 

Tomato Can

Funny how Pac fans never felt PED’s were a problem until Manny got starched.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:43 pm 

Old Coot

The more Floyd and his fans revisit this nonsensical PED angle, the more Floyd tanks his legacy… A real ATG fighter would have shut Manny’s fans up 4 years ago, PEDs or not! PERIOD! All else is Floyd’s shellgame!!

Posted February 24, 2014 12:42 pm 


Pac’s legacy is wrecked.

Tainted by PED abuse, gift decisions, being protected and the worst KO in the history of the sport.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:41 pm 

Old Coot

Floyd Mayweather- Falsely and repeatedly accused Manny Pacquiao of PED use without evidence… Most think it was because Pacquiao posed too big of a risk to Mayweather’s marketing and legacy.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:39 pm 

Tomato Can

Being knocked out cold for 10 minute’s will also stand out in the record books. So needless to say, just like now, the majority of fans will see Mayweather as being the better fighter of the two. However, there will always be those who’ll disagree. But just like now, they’ll be in the minority.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:38 pm 

Old Coot

*Never ‘faced’ Manny Pacquiao.*

Posted February 24, 2014 12:36 pm 


Funny but Pacs legacy will read, great fighter but was scared of needles, passed on Floyd Mayweather fight.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:36 pm 


hey Vivek, even though i dont always agree with you 100%, i miss your articles when i dont see them for a while. I hope these guys who run this site understand value you bring here. Yes i agree with you on Maidana, he absolutely deserveves, and he has at least punchers chance here, and as boxing wisdom says – rightly timed punch beats the speed. Sure, he is no Marques as a counterpuncher but it only takes one measured punch and legs can wobble (refering to one (and only) memorable punch Mosley unleashed against Floyd few years back. Guys like Maidana or Provodnikov will always make it interesting regardless whom they fight. (((Call it boxing x-factor)))
Keep on churning good work

Posted February 24, 2014 12:35 pm 

Old Coot

Only Floyd can shut Fans up… That is the fight we all want, and Floyd and his fans fear!

Posted February 24, 2014 12:35 pm 

Old Coot

The year is 2075, and Floyd’s legacy reads-

*Floyd Mayweather*- Was a great welterweight champion who retired undefeated.

* Never face Manny Pacquiao.*

Posted February 24, 2014 12:34 pm 

Tomato Can

That’s probably because Marquez already shut Manny’s sensible fans up.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:33 pm 

Old Coot

5 years later and GOAT Floyd still won’t shut Manny’s fans up.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:30 pm 

Old Coot

The EYES have it… Bradly Lost.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:30 pm 

Pacroid banned from the HOF forever

Pacroid is 1-3 in his last 4 fights, lost to Marquez twice and once to Bradley and badly needs Justine Fortune’s old formulas to stay alive in boxing.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:28 pm 


You must really be old because if you look in the record books Pac is 2 and 2. And if you want to be like that he lost against Marquez so Pac is still 2 and 2.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:28 pm 

Old Coot

Pac is 3 & 1. Bradley lost.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:26 pm 

poor pacturds

Manny is irrelevant number 2 and 3 don’t matter only number 1 and all roads lead through Floyd Manny wont and never will submit to any type of random testing. The whole point of random testing is to make sure you clean. Hell the fool can juice all the way up until he fights if he knows when they are going to test him what’s the point. Boxing is the most corrupt sport in the world. The same morons were accusing Floyd of being scared of Margerito and the fool had plaster of Paris in his gloves and almost killed Cotto. Forget the BS if you clean prove it no gimmicks no stipulations submit to whatever and win fair and square. No Manny passed up the biggest fight in his life over a blood test and Floyd is the one scared? Poor pacturds all they have left is crying and whining because there boy is broke and will never get another shot biiootches

Posted February 24, 2014 12:26 pm 


Pac is 2 and 2 in his last 4 fights. So now he has not earned the fight. Yes Maidana is more deserving a fight with Floyd for the simple fact that he has been fighting, he has a title and is on a 4 fight win streak at Welter. Khan is simply no fighting. And Madaina has improved tremendously with Garcia and has actually said to Khan lets do a rematch but Khan had no response.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:23 pm 

Old Coot

Fraud would NEVER risk Lara either!!

Posted February 24, 2014 12:20 pm 

Old Coot

How vile and sad… Continually accusing Manny of PEDs with ZERO cause, takes shameless advantage of the cynic in us all, and gives Floyd cheap, ducking cover.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:19 pm 

Vivek Wallace (THE REAL)

Joseph Herron, that is an ABSOLUTE LIE!!! Pacquiao is NOT taking part in VADA testing. And they are using WADA as a smoke scree, bcuz if you know the way testing works, WADA doesn’t have ground troops in ANY COUNTRY. They oversee the results reported by the countries. The Philippines testing program is NOT testing Pacquiao. He will not be tested until he reaches stateside for training. That has been confirmed and i would not have written it unless it had been.

Posted February 24, 2014 12:16 pm 

Old Coot

Floyd’s fans can’t bear the thought that Pacquiao would destroy their hero, so they have to give them not fighting ANY justification…

Posted February 24, 2014 12:13 pm 

Old Coot

It’s rather telling when an unbeatable fighter like Floyd uses unfounded PED cheating accusations to avoid a guy who can’t hit him anyway!

Posted February 24, 2014 12:02 pm 

Old Coot

So, Maidana, who lost to Khan is more deserving and earned it more than Khan? REALLY?!! Yet Pacquiao, who has nearly 2/3 as many fights as Mayweather, Khan, AND Maidana, and more KO’s, has not “earned it” and is NOT worthy? Stop it… You’re making me bust a gut laughing FLOYD!!

Posted February 24, 2014 11:59 am 


I see Pacroid is up to his old tricks again.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:55 am 

Old Coot

Vivek Wallace wrote- “What bothers me most is that fans will see a fighter lose, and respond as if this guy can’t improve or as if he can never make the necessary adjustments to climb his way back to the top of the heap.”

Oh really? I hope that applies to Manny Pacquiao too! Probably not though… Wonder why?

Posted February 24, 2014 11:46 am 

Tomato Can

I would like to hear Bradley’s point of view on this. If he has a problem with it, then there’s probably something fishy going on.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:46 am 

te tumbo

“I just spoke with someone who is more knowledgeable of this particular situation . . .” harmless, routine, and MUTUALLY-Applied testing always becomes a complicated issue when Pacquiao* is involved. Herron needs to dislodge his peanut-head from Manny’s* @nus and come up for a breath of fresh air and a look at what a fundamentally level playing-field actually looks like, which is impossible when Pacquiao’s* nuts are obscuring his view.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:42 am 


Bradley is paying for Vada on his own. Pac is using the nevada testing. Once again Pac has declined Vada testing or really random testing.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:37 am 

Worst PED cheat in the history of all sports.

Think about it, Pac refused blood testing against tough opponents Mayweather, Marquez(4) and now Bradley.

The only time Pac ever blood tested in his whole carrer was when he fought lightweight bum Brandon Rios, whose style was perfectly suited for Pac and only after takign a 1 year lay-off to clean his system.

I’m telling you, Top Rank are the masters of smoke and mirrors, I can see why Floyd wants no part of that criminal enterprise.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:35 am 

Worst PED cheat in the history of all sports.

There’s 2 interviews on youtube that should make it clear to anyone that Pacroid is a cheat. did an interview with Justine Fortune, Pacroid’s S&C coach for 9 years.

When asked about his thoughts on PEDs in boxing Fortune had this to say.

Justine Fortune: “Come on dude, you’re in a sport with money in it, if you’re top 10 in your sport you’re either on it, been on it, or thinking of going on it and if you haven’t you’re a (Explicit) liar. Sometimes the monetary gain outweighs the risk. You need to realize that that’s the way it is, it’s in the game, it’s in everything, it’s in absolutely everything. So stop crying about it, if you’re dumb enough to get caught on it then that’s your (Explicit) fault”

This guy is responsible for what Pacroid has put in his body for 9 years.

Then there’s the Radio Rahim interview with Freddie Roach.

Interviewer: What was your thoughts when you heard that Brandon Rios failed the drug test?

Freddie Roach:” I know he has a new strength coach and I don’t get along with the guy (Alex Ariza) and one of the reasons he doesn’t work with me anymore is because I think he’s a little shady, he used to give Manny a drink everyday before workouts, I asked him what’s in that drink and he would never tell me and I said I need to know because you’re giving it to my fighter and if something goes wrong I’m gonna get the blame, in my opinion he’s shady, he’s with that camp now and it doesn’t surprise me that happened”

Check out the interviews on youtube.

Pacroid could confess on national television and Pactards would still be in denial.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:28 am 


If maidona keeps comming forward with bombs, non stop bombs, floyd will in fact hit him, but maidona will land, floyd can’t avoid that for 12 rounds.

Posted February 24, 2014 11:17 am 

Joseph Herron

I just spoke with someone who is more knowledgeable of this particular situation, and informed me that Top Rank was paying for the drug testing of both fighters and it is to be administered by WADA…it is going to run Bob Arum around 35K for the entire process.

Bob is paying for both fighters’ testing. No big deal.

We will speak with Bradley’s trainer Joel Diaz a little more about this on Tuesday night’s program. Can’t wait!!

Posted February 24, 2014 11:06 am 

poor pacturds

Manny is trying to hide the fact that he stays juiced up all the way up until the fight…

Posted February 24, 2014 11:04 am 


Pretty good article. Floyd is the greatest boxer of this era and Manny the greatest warrior. That’s about it in a nutshell. Still, they should meet too.

Posted February 24, 2014 10:41 am 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

45-0-0-0 (26 KO).

Posted February 24, 2014 10:34 am 


I agree with everything vivek said. This guy does his homework!!

Posted February 24, 2014 10:22 am 

Joseph Herron

I know, Boxtra…you and I feel the same way about this issue.

It’s a non issue unless it keeps a fight from being made.

The fighters who do voluntarily participate in the year round drug testing program should be mentioned and recognized for their efforts in setting the example for trying to clean up the sport.

But a writer can’t question one fighter’s integrity without holding everyone else to the same standard if he wants to be taken seriously.

Unless of course he has no intention of being taken seriously and finds solace in being the “Rush Limbaugh” of boxing. It’s not news or reporting and is merely preaching to his choir, so to speak.

There’s nothing wrong with that and more power to him…but, real fight fans shouldn’t try to jam one man’s opinion down other fans’ throats like it’s the gospel and it’s coming from a legitimate news source.

Posted February 24, 2014 10:22 am 


Totaly agree with Boxing Barlow. Well, maybe with the exception regarding Pac as the ONLY meaningful fight for Mayeather, because I do think Lara would stand very good chance of wooping Floyd’s a$$. And for those who would jump with the “he’s to big”line, I wouldn’t mind seing the fight made at a catch weight or even at welter, because I think Lara’s youth and shape out of the ring would permitt him to make weight and still be compettitive.

Posted February 24, 2014 10:14 am 


Herron-As I SAID in my first post I have no issue with it IF Pacquiao was expected to pay for it because he is in debt. When you’re in debt you cut expenses not add expenses….I can’t speak for Vivek but I thought that Bradley was negotiating the testing as a part of the contract not after the contract was signed….I admit that I didn’t follow it because I’m not concerned with the testing. I’m concerned with the Fight. I only get concerned with the testing IF its holding UP the Fight. IF Bradley has no issue with it then neither DO I….May the BEST man WIN.

Posted February 24, 2014 10:13 am 

Joseph Herron

You’re right on the money this time, Boxtra.

A lot of ignorance floats in and around the net when it comes to the business of boxing.

Especially when it comes to Pac and Floyd.

Posted February 24, 2014 10:13 am 


That post was to n.y. John

Posted February 24, 2014 10:06 am 


OH. Well IF they both agreed to it in the contract and Manny backed out after the contract was signed then that would make his a dishonest SISSY. But I doubt IF that happened. Arum would LOSE all credibility IF he allowed that to happen. SO I say that your info is inaccurate. I’m not sure but I would guess that Manny never agreed to it just like he never agreed to it to face Mayweather….I can’t see him agreeing to it in the contract and then backing out. He would be VILIFIED for that.

Posted February 24, 2014 10:05 am 

Joseph Herron

BS, Boxtra…it’s the same issue with Alvarado, Ward, and Pacquiao.

Bradley agreed to the fight without specifying the drug testing stipulation in the contract…just like Andre and Mile High Mike.

There is no difference.

The only clear difference in the mind of the person who penned this particular piece is that he doesn’t like one fighter, is impartial with another, and really favors a guy like Andre Ward.

My question is why?

I think after years of the same sentiment regurgitated on this site, most have a pretty good idea as to “why”.

Posted February 24, 2014 10:04 am 

n.y john

From Wat I have read on this site was they agreed in there contract that they both was going to be tested from a out side organization and uncle Bob was going to pay for it and it cost 35000 dollars for both guys to test

Posted February 24, 2014 9:58 am 


Vivek defended Andre because Edwin didn’t bring UP testing until AFTER the Fight negotiations. Big difference. Its like after I already sign the contract for my car I start asking the dealer for add ons. Won’t work. The time to ask for add ons is BEFORE you sign the contract. Go take a business class.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:56 am 

Joseph Herron

Too many people give Pacquiao too much grief about the testing issue.

It’s a fighter’s prerogative whether or not they choose to participate in VADA or any other meticulous drug testing method that goes above and beyond the standard method of testing in accordance with the State Athletic Commission.

Unless it is specified in the contract, it’s entirely up to the fighter.

I don’t remember hearing many people giving Mike Alvarado much criticism when he chose not to participate in more stringent testing before fighting VADA participant Ruslan Provodnikov last year.

Pac is going to receive criticism from most die hard fans of Floyd because he’s Pac.

The double standards are blatant simply because he is who he is…we’ve been hearing it for the past four and a half years and it defies all rational thought.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:51 am 

n.y john

Come on You got to admit there’s something shady with Pac and team from Wat I read out side testing is in there contract that’s why Bradley said this has to be claired up if I was Bradley I wouldn’t fight him unless he be tested from a out side organization like it states in the contract

Posted February 24, 2014 9:46 am 


People know that this is a circus of a fight considering Floyd’s style against Maidana’s. Maidana does not belong there. This is a cherry picked fight for the benefit of Floyd. Anything that builds up Floyd Vivek lovely supports.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:44 am 

n.y john

Didn’t Pac & Rios test with vada Wats the problem with testing with Bradley

Posted February 24, 2014 9:38 am 

Joseph Herron

I guess Vivek had a problem with Andre Ward as well when he wasn’t so agreeable in participating with VADA testing against Edwin Rodriguez…even when team La Bomba offered to pay for the entire process.

Wait a minute…he defended Andre.

Nice double standard!! LOL

Posted February 24, 2014 9:38 am 

Op Amp

Viv – The lip exercises you did before writing this Floyd article really paid off, as this you smooched Floyds behind as good as ever! I never talk about s h i t like bromance, but damn dude, you push the envelope. Smh.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:37 am 


Have to disagree with Vivek in this particular case as far as the testing goes….The word IS that Pacquiao is $60 Million+ in debt. SO at this point he can’t afford any extra expenses. He needs to save every dollar that he CAN. IF Bradley is paying for the testing out of his own pocket then that probably means that Pacquiao would have to do that TOO. He can’t afford it. Only way I would disagree with him not taking it is IF Bradley offered to pay for Pacquiao’s testing also. I don’t know all of the details but IF Bradley offered to pay for Pacquiao’s testing and he STILL turned it down then he is a cheating SISSY.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:36 am 

n.y john

From Wat I read last week Pac & Bradley agreed on vada testing now Bradley has to take it and Pac don’t yeah that’s an even playing field

Posted February 24, 2014 9:33 am 


It was ignored because every other poll in the WORLD had Maidana WINNING which showed that the one on Floyd’s site was rigged some how. Fight Aficionado agrees with ME on that. SO Floyd ignored the rigged poll and is going with the majority. Maidana is a CHAMP and Khan is not….When you can turn CHAMPS into CHERRIES that’s called GOATNESS. When you can defeat 11 CHAMPS within 13 Fights that’s called GOATNESS TOO.

Posted February 24, 2014 9:31 am 


I have given up reading Vivek as its not a boxing article but a pro Mayweather anti Pac man article defending everything about Floyd and criticising anything in regards Manny. I would ask Vivek one question what was the FMJ poll all about if Khan won but it was simply ignored?

Posted February 24, 2014 9:07 am 


Mr Wallace- I am indeed impressed your powers of speculation are so great they can even convince yourself.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:56 am 

Floyd’s issue

Mayweather on Mt. Rushmore? You are either totally deluded or on drugs. Mayweather will be forgotten my. Nobody will remember a shoulder rolling, defensive cherry picker and criminal like Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:53 am 

Floyd’s issue

Mr. Wallace, stop trashing Pac. There are a million boxers who don’t do Vada testing, and you can not force Pac to train in the US. You are like the Meayweathers, or actually you are one of them. Pac has never failed a drug test, you have NO proof. You are just manipulative, and obviously a Floyd fan who tries to do everything he can to justify that the coward, yes COWARD, Mayweather is not fighting Pac. Why don’t you try to talk about Mayweather’s antics on how he continues to avoid making this fight. Your champ is cherry picking, and will never, never ever be the GOAT.
Muhammad Ali might not have been the strongest nor the biggest. Might not have been the fastest and was not unbeaten. But Ali was the Greatest. He did not have fear, he fought stronger bigger opponents and Mayweather refuses to fight even a smaller guy like Pac. He avoided many boxers in his prime and fights boxers who have been beaten but won’t fight Pac. Having Arum as excuse is truly pathetic and very unprofessional.
Mayweather was shut up and had to pay settlement to Pac out of court for his allegations. Now he has people like you do his dirty work.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:51 am 

Dan D

Barlow, I agree that politics is killing boxing, you’re right without doubt. Unfortunately, politics exist in almost everything we do, it is the individuals involved in boxing that are killing the sport with how they employ politics. The GBP / TR war has had a really detrimental impact. Money and greed have prevailed over the needs and wants of the fans. The only way we can win is to switch off the support.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:37 am 

Dan D

If I was Floyd, I would also demand that Pacquiao be subject to very strict drug testing. His avoidance, or circumnavigation, of certain tests is somewhat worrying.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:24 am 

Boxing Barlow

Zuks – If Mayweather thought he was the best he would fight Pacman.

Posted February 24, 2014 8:06 am 


Manny is juicing….period

Khan is over rated.

Money Mayweather is the best boxer in the world

Posted February 24, 2014 7:58 am 

ordinary boxing fan

just fight!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 7:30 am 

Dan D

Vivek Wallace, very objective view on Mayweather and his legacy. Just a comment on Manny Pacquiao, but why do question marks keep being raised with regard to doping, lack of testing and the like? Pacquiao could end it all but he doesn’t. Personally, I believe that we will see the Manny Pacquiao of old in this fight on April 12th but the PED questions will be raised all over again. I don’t think he is clean at all. I will be rooting for Bradley to end this by KO.

Posted February 24, 2014 7:23 am 


Vivek the “mr .objective ” author has a fair and balance view when it comes to floyed.:) hahahahahahahahaha it’s not that he likes to escusse floyed it’s just that he can’t find anything to criticize him :) lol ….
It’s all paqiao fault he said ” he is tired ” on talking about paqiao testing yet his answer was so long that it will take you 10 min . To read it …hahahahahaha ..

Maidana vs mayweather will be epic he says hahAhahahahaha unbelievable …epic Just like it was Alexander vs Maidana right ? Lmao!!!!

Posted February 24, 2014 6:54 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)


I think there is a difference with Pac in this situation as opposed to Floyd avoiding someone like Paul Williams.

Williams was a natural threat. A Big Natural WW.

Pac was doing the abnormal by continually moving up in weight and seeming hitting the alarms with the bigger, stronger, faster, endurance thing.

That’s what gave Floyd leverage.

I also think that Floyd’s own decline and Pac’s seemingly increase of ability after a certain age pissed him off.

It could have simply been down to modern nutrition, training, and science…all done legally….but to Floyd, who may be more Old School than New, the alarms went off.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:52 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)

Boxing Barlow

The list is incredibly long and some you wonder if they should really be on the list.

If there was any athlete I actually felt bad for and was on the side of, there was one in particular: Andreea Răducan. Her Gold was taken away from her after failing for Pseudoephedrine found in a cold medicine given to her by her doctor because she was sick. It was over the counter medicine which can is still on the market. I know. I take Allegra D which has it in it.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:44 am 

Boxing Barlow

Yeah a lot of guys in the uk have failed tests for taking powered energy drinks!

Posted February 24, 2014 6:36 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)

Boxing Barlow:

Agree. to me, Floyd and Pac’s legacy gets taken down because they couldn’t figure out a way to fight each other.

I’m not saying fighters have not found a way to avoid other opponents through timing or just flat out avoidance but Neither are in the Ali category.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:31 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)

Actually, Shane Mosley wasn’t caught by the current testing. He passed those tests.

And most of the rest were just not smart enough to understand the testing protocol.

Like Jones was said to have failed for a precursor Testosterone booster at the time which was Andro which made athletes fail tests and pop up as steroids.

Even certain supplements can pop up as a failed test for nandrolone.

Also understand that Toney was failing those tests under Roach and his boy Justin Fortune (who I do like) who is back training Pac.

For the few that have failed, many many many more have passed that are using. That has all been covered

Posted February 24, 2014 6:29 am 

Boxing Barlow

And Im on no ones side here. I love the sport of boxing and think politics is destroying it. The biggest problem in the sport is the best fights are not being made and the two guys who are most guilty of this are Mayweather and Pacman. No other sport to the best refuse to play each other. Could you imagine Man City, Man United and chealsea refusing to play each other and just choosing to play lesser sides evey week?! Its crazy.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:26 am 


Mayweather fanboy’s logic = guilty unless proven innocent by Mayweather’s standards (which he only came up with when PAC started looking like a threat to him)

Posted February 24, 2014 6:25 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)


tell that to the athletes in the Summer Olympics starting 2 Olympics ago that took it upon themselves to agree to even more stringent testing outside of the already Olympic testing to just shut the doubters up.

To them, it wasn’t about being insecure as it was more of an additional challenge, an additional opponent to fight and win against and most of all, to prove that you are doing all that you can to do what’s right. To go Beyond what is required of you.

Pac is doing the minimal that is required. And what is required of the current testing is laughable and should have been changed a long time ago if it weren’t for politics and money.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:25 am 

Boxing Barlow

The fact is a lot of fighter have been caught out Juicing. Shane Mosley
James Toney, Fernandro Vargas, Roy Jones, Andre Berto, Lamont Peterson, Orlando Salido, Antonio Tarver have all been caught out taking banned substances. These guy were all top fighters with top guys around them. Yet they all got caught. These guys were all caught out but Pacman never was. As far as Im concerned you gotta give pacman the benefit of doubt of innocent until proven guilty.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:22 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)

Boxing Barlow:

Ahhhh, but for me It’s not as obvious anymore because you do have many fans so worn out from it all that they say just legalize it since they think everyone is doing it which I don’t think is true.

I’m not against Steroids since they are used for Medical purposes and they have been given a bad reputation by the uneducated but there is a difference when used for medical use and Performance enhancing use among athletes who “some” are still under the belief that it is still “illegal” and unethical to use in sports given the rules and possibly the imaginary honor code.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:21 am 


Listerine… only an insecure boxer will do that. Just because doubters told you to do something doesn’t mean you need to do it. I fully understand your logic if a fighter was once tested positive of a banned substance. But PAC never tested positive and Mayweather had to pay him some money to avoid going to court when he publicly accused PAC of juicing instead of proving the world that his accusations are true.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:17 am 

Boxing Barlow

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol) – Obviously I was joking. No way should PEDS be allowed in any sport.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:16 am 

Boxing Barlow

Reality is Pacman is not juicing. He may have been at one point but we will never know. Now he has been put under the spot light so much regarding the issue there is no way he would be taking the stuff now. The point I’ve always made is Mayweather much have felt Pacman stood a chance of beating him. Forget the PEDS issue. Maywether must have looked at Pacman and though to himself ‘wow this guy looks good, if I’m gonna put my career on the line I gotta be 100% he’s playing fair’. If he looked at Pacman and thought its an easy nights work then he wouldnt have given a hoot about PEDS or no PEDS he’s have just taken the biggest pay day ever and cashed in.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:15 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)

Boxing Barlow:

I don’t know. I’m for Steroids for medical purposes but I can’t just say they should legalize it for athletes unless ALL athletes now and future continually sign off on it which I doubt they would considering there is no true “level playing field” considering genetics still pulls us apart with some being taller and thicker naturally than others and no drugs at this moment will even the playing field.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:13 am 

Listerine is Clean (except for Alcohol)

Your reputation is on the line. If you are a Clean athlete, why not go all out and take Year Round, random drug testing under the best testing protocol out there (whatever that may be)…and then shove it in the face of your doubters.

It’s disappointing that Floyd doesn’t do year round testing and even more disappointing that Pac isn’t on board either.

Posted February 24, 2014 6:10 am 


Dr Vivek says Pacquiao is juicing because only a standard mandatory drug test will be conducted for Pacquiao. I BELIEVE HIM BECAUSE DR VIVEK WALLACE IS AN EXPERT IN THE DRUG TESTING FIELD. All boxers who do not comform to Mayweather’s demands are juicing. Even if they are fighting other fighters.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:52 am 

Boxing Barlow

Lol, I think they should just legalise drugs in boxing! Imagine what a fight between GGG and Carl Froch or Kovalev would be like with them both on gear!

Posted February 24, 2014 5:40 am 

third world

damn right maidana earned it. kudos to floyd.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:40 am 


I guess all boxers not tested by VADA are juicing. That includes all great boxers in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:38 am 

Boxing Barlow

Also, you gotta say the only realy fight out there for Mayweather is Pacman. And if we are comparing the two fighters his fight against Bradley looks like a better level of fight than against Maidana.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:31 am 

Boxing Barlow

Gotta say I’m very dissapointed in Mayweathers decision to fight Maidana. Im not saying Maidana doesnt deserve a shot but the reality is its a fight no one really wants to see. Some could say Khan doesnt deserve a shot any more than Maidana but at least the fight would have been interesting to see how Floyd would have dealt with Khans speed. Also, Amir Khan has never been outboxed. He was robbed against Peterson with the deack stacked against him. But every other loss has been via brutal, exciting KO, in fights he was winning at the time. Using this logic in a Mayweather fight we would have either seen a boxing masterclass on Floyds part if he were to manage to outbox Khan for the points win, or he would have had to brutally knock Khan out. Remember Mayweather has not really had a legitimate KO since Hatton. Either way if Mayweather were to win it would have been spectacular. Whats gonna be spectacular about a Maidana fight? Its all too predictable. Maidana will be too slow to hardly land a glove on Floyd who will pot shot his way to an elusive win. We’ve seen it so many times before. We’ve done the Maidana/pressure fighter thing too many times. If Maidana was outboxed by Alexander what on earth is Floyd gonna do to him?

Posted February 24, 2014 5:29 am 


@Anom you know we all know Tranny Pacquiao is on juice has been and is under pressure to perform for this fight.

Posted February 24, 2014 5:27 am 


respect Pacquiao as a warrior in the sport and a guy who’s heart I adore. But I can now publicly say that what was once a question is now an answer (in my mind): Something is definitely NOT clean about MANNY PACQUIAO

Posted February 24, 2014 5:26 am 

Ray Ray

Oouch this article is going 2 drive some people outta there minds….I’m just going 2 kick back & take in the pacmans fans posts….this will get ugly ha ha ha

Posted February 24, 2014 4:54 am 


Funny thing is that Khan was cherry picked to be on the shortlist, then Khan complains that Floyd is a cherry picker. Er, Amir, how do you think you got on the shortlist in the first place?

Posted February 24, 2014 4:48 am 

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