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Posted December 18, 2013 12:28 pm 

Tony Gunz

By far!

Posted December 3, 2013 10:27 pm 


tark stick to the modern bums like bobkins klit bros and canelo.

Posted November 3, 2013 6:51 am 


Robinson was the prima donna of all time… He agreed to work Ali’s corner for 1,500 dollars when he was really strapped and looking for money… Ali gave him the money in cash, upfront, which is what Robinson asked for.

Some white guys told Robinson not to demean himself by working Ali’s corner. Robinson went to Ali’s hotel suite and told him he changed his mind about being a second for him. “I might not get those TV gigs.”

Ali said, “Okay. But keep the money. You need it.” Robinson kept it.

Posted November 2, 2013 7:08 pm 


dont compare these prima donnas with ray robinson.

Posted November 2, 2013 11:50 am 


… “Should Mayweather go to 160???” … This is a stupid question.

Floyd Mayweather fought most of his career fights at 130. He has more championship fights at 130 than at any other weight. Going from 130 to 154 is an 18% increase in body weight. Floyd achieved that—and Floyd never even went to 135 until he was 25 years old.

When Robinson was 21 he was a full blown welterweight—but 160 pounds eventually became a very comfortable weight for Robinson. 154 pounds will never be a comfortable weight for Mayweather. He’s comfortable at 147.

Attempting to go from Welterweight Champ to Light Heavyweight champ in a career—which Robinson tried to do when he challenged Joey Maxim—is the same 18% increase in body weight Floyd achieved going from 130 to 154.

Robinson was not successful in his Light Heavyweight Title Challenge—and he declined to rematch Maxim. Ray also declined to challenge Archie Moore, who was older—and had more fights than Robinson, against better fighters.

Floyd won every challenge at 154 giving away as much as 20 pounds.

Posted November 2, 2013 2:06 am 


Sugar Ray Robinson got beaten by guys who couldn’t beat Canelo Alvarez. Ever hear of Ralph Jones?

Posted November 1, 2013 7:52 pm 


JMM.., “Mayweather is the GOAT … if Pacquiao is the GOAT then I’m God.”

Posted November 1, 2013 7:31 pm 


Hecdog says Pacnap is GOAT, Marquez thinks & proved it differently.

Posted November 1, 2013 1:43 am 

Drew Carey’s massive love hole


Listen to Bruce! He’s speaks the truth. Ray Robinson was and still is the greatest of all time. Mayweather shouldn’t even be mentioned in the top 100 of all time. He’s a fraud.

Posted October 31, 2013 1:01 pm 


RAY ROBINSON. the best there ever was. PERIOD.

Posted October 31, 2013 12:29 pm 


No. He has the same problem Calzaghe has….. careful selection of fighters. Pac is still looming because they know mayrunner will finally be exposed as a protected fighter.

Posted October 31, 2013 12:00 pm 

Mike J

Also, the Castillo fight is a point of contention for Mayweather detractors, but again, many of the greats had controversial wins (e.g. Ali v. Norton, Leonard v. Hagler). Lastly, Ray Robinson to me will always be #1 and the gold standard for what a p4p fighter should be, but when you look at his impressive string of wins during the 1940s (Lamotta aside), the numbers are amazing, but those wins were mainly against B, C, and even D level fighters. Im sure Mayweather and other welterweights like DLH, Leonard, etc. with their talent and skill couldve beaten those same fighters. You cant assess Mayweather’s career in a vacuum nor can you really believe he’s the exception with regards to certain opponents, when he fought them, and who he didnt fight.

Posted October 31, 2013 8:59 am 

Mike J

When you crunch the numbers, he is. For boxers with lets say 40+ fights (40 is my floor so to include Leonard), Mayweather is either #1 or ranks very high in many of the major boxing categories—wins, losses, connect %age, opponents connect %age, KO %age, rounds won/lost, championship fights, championship fights won/lost, opponent records, etc. You can also make the argument that he is one of the best offensive AND defensive fighters ever. By that I mean, over 46 career fights, the numbers say that he does both equally well. Yes, he has names missing from his fight ledger, but what great fighter doesnt? You can make that case for many of the greats, past and present. Bottom line is that if you list your criteria for what qualifies as a “great” fighter and objectively rank the all-time greats (no names, just their stats with caveats as necessary), Mayweather would very high (top 15) on most lists.

Posted October 31, 2013 8:37 am 

Florian the Rapist

TARK why don’t you come to München for your vacation this year so I can rape your ass?

Posted October 30, 2013 11:39 pm 

mayweather 86

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Posted October 30, 2013 6:22 pm 


Floyd is a phenomenal talent but I wouldn’t rate him a top 10 all time great due to the competition he faced which is very good but not great, unbeaten record alone does’t warrant place as a tip 10 all time great list, Larry Holmes and Paschal Perez had better unbeaten record than Floyd before they lost for the first time,

Posted October 30, 2013 6:09 pm 


I feel sorry for Tark. I read what happened to him. Wearing diapers and all. If Mork gets a hold of Sredmond he will be wearing diapers too.

Posted October 30, 2013 4:56 pm 

B Red

Manny Napiou cant beat Floyd

Posted October 30, 2013 3:55 pm 

B Red

Floyd is the most skilled fighter Ive seen, ya dig

Posted October 30, 2013 3:53 pm 



Posted October 30, 2013 1:36 pm 

Franky Finnubian

Yah he is good. You can put him up there with Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko. K-Bros are Champions of the World. Undisputed. Floyd ain’t undisputed though. But he can hang for a while with the Bros. Floyd need to collect all the belts at 147 – or – 154, one or the other to become undisputed. He need to do dat. Get all the belt in one class. K-Bros did it, so he should do dat to. Know what Im sayin?

Posted October 30, 2013 12:51 pm 

Tommy Boy

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Top 5 as far as talent. Greatness.

Posted October 30, 2013 10:34 am 


Happyboy, hatton wasnt coming ofca loss when pac beat him

Posted October 30, 2013 4:31 am 


Hey looney bin orderly.. Kindly tie Idiot Ernie in a potato sack and bludgeon it with an 80 pound cudgel until it’s a bloody mess.

Posted October 30, 2013 1:13 am 


We wont kow until his carreer is over. ESB lowers the bar once again.

Posted October 29, 2013 11:50 pm 


Anonymouse – PRIME! BS! Barrera, Morales were not in their prime besides a prime Morales spanked his ass only after he lost did Pacnap rematched him, Cotto ( catchweight) Hutton ( coming off a loss to Money MAY), ODH ( lost to Floyd & catchweight he hadn’t weighed in over 10yrs), Mosley ( coming off a loss to Money May), Margarito ( coming off a loss to Mosley and deemed useless without his bricks) tried to cherrypick a much older Dinamita who was spanked by Money May but that back fired when he got KTFO. If there a holes in Floyds resume, Manny’s are even bigger.

Posted October 29, 2013 11:45 pm 


is floyd the greatest fighter of all time ??? absolutetly not , but is floyds the greatest defensive fighter of all time ??? yes absolutely

Posted October 29, 2013 10:38 pm 



Posted October 29, 2013 9:52 pm 

phat SO

Chery picking , sucker punching, foul machine is nowhere close to the great list.

Posted October 29, 2013 8:23 pm 

von Pugsly

Floyd is one of the greatest boxers of his generation but didn’t face enough prime competition and avoided too many challenges when it counted. So the answer is: no. Doug Fischer, whatever you think about his pony-tail or nasally voice, makes a compelling argument for this over at the Ring magazine. But Floyd could still change all this if he beats Pacquiao (assuming Pac-man destroys Rios) and either before or after than takes on Sergio Martinez for the MW crown. And if Hopkins is crazy enough to come down to 160 and Floyd beat him too that would be another feather in his cap. The surest indicator of an ATG is a good though not necessarily perfect track record against other great fighters. An undefeated record is not nearly enough. Doesn’t Paul Spadafora have an undefeated record? He’s hardly an ATG.

Posted October 29, 2013 7:45 pm 


FM is certainly one of the best, but wish he’d fought Pac a few years ago. I guess he was scared.

Posted October 29, 2013 7:17 pm 


BOTH have been great fighters,unlike those hw klit bros.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:47 pm 


Pac ducked Guzman and wanted to quit against Sanchez. Had only fought what 2 fighters at 147. That being Clottey and Oscar. Everybody else there was a Catchweight. Fought the weakest titlest at 135.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:45 pm 


PEEBRAIN Shut the fook up!

Posted October 29, 2013 5:43 pm 


Julius Caesar

Yes. Manny deserves far more respect than Fraud Mayweather. He fought against much tougher opponents in their prime several times.

Mayweather has conned his fans so many times it’s hilarious. And he continues to do so, he’s ducked any real danger over and over again. I wouldn’t even put him in the top 100 all time, he’s a joke and the joke is on his fans who hand over their money to him time and time again. Fraud will spend the rest of his fake career running from GGG and refusing to defend his 154 belts against a REAL fighter who has stated he would move down in weight to fight him. But chicken Fraud will duck him as well. As usual.

And don’t even bother mentioning Fraud in the same sentence as Sugar Ray Robinson.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:41 pm 


Barrera was not I his prime and the prime version of Morales beat Pac. He was no longer in his prime during the rematches. And his wins against Marquwz are debatable. He got a gift in the 3rd fight and put to sleep in the 4th.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:35 pm 

third world

hell no.he is a very talented boxer. sugar ray robinson would have mopped the floor with him. all you youngsters out there do your homework and watch his fights on youtube. aaron pryor,the hawk or cincinatti cyclone @ 140.roberto duran @135.he is one of the greatest 130 lb.’ers ever.he is a master boxer,but @ the 147,and 154 lb. range not a chance. 40 years of involvement in boxing tells me so.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:26 pm 

Julius Caesar

Pac-man is the greatest of this era for me. He beat prime greats like Barrera twice, Morales twice, and Marquez three times too. That trumps anything on Floyd’s record by a country mile. That’s seven times he got in there with great fighters, whereas Floyd has never done that once. I don’t count the Marquez fight for him for obvious reasons.

That’s seven times Pac-man has proved his mettle against fellow greats. Seven times to Floyd’s zero. Pac-man didn’t have a problem fighting against fellow greats when their threat was still mighty legitimate, whereas it was always something Floyd was terrified of. And when you factor in Floyd’s absurdly flagrant ducking of Pac-man for how ever long it’s been now, well that more than seals the deal. Pac-man>>> Floyd and by quite some margin too.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:06 pm 



Posted October 29, 2013 4:52 pm 


Yes. Answering “no” would be ignorant and/or mendacious.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:48 pm 


Mayweather is an expert at conning his fans, he’s the best cherry picker and ducker in the history of boxing. Funny how all his fans fell for his BS though, he’s laughing all the way to the bank at his gullible fans and he continues to do so. Hahahahaha!

Posted October 29, 2013 4:35 pm 


You Little Floyd minion just don’t get it. Your boy is not the greatest of his generation, and never will be. He will not fight the best, therefore he will never be the best.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:32 pm 


PEEBRAIN shut the fook up! You fooking idiot.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:28 pm 


Im neither 19 nor a rap star but I recognize he is the greatest of his generation.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:24 pm 


Well said Anonymous.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:24 pm 


willie pep best boxer. good for Floyd at making $ , he should look into getting a ROTH IRA.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:14 pm 


Well said Anonymous.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:05 pm 


Greatest of his era.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:02 pm 


people who say mayweather is the best ever are 19 year old rap stars.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:00 pm 


One of the greatest fighters? No. Greatest cherry picker and opportunist? Yes, most definitely.

Posted October 29, 2013 3:53 pm 


Why wouldn’t he take the test that he is so willing to take now after accusing Marquez of being on something?

Posted October 29, 2013 3:49 pm 


And before Pac how many of Floyds were random tested? Easiest fight yet you need him to be tested. Ok.

Posted October 29, 2013 3:34 pm 

Yo mama

Floyd is probably the best in this era,10 years, but he no way in sugar ray or who even better Terry Noris league, sugar. Ray the boxer could not come up with a game plan after round by round being beaten to the punch being the first second and even third punch,

Terry the slugger one way to describe him is he is chopping a tree down round by round,
Not only where his punches were harder and crisp that you could hear the snap back.
He also fight as in a chest match, his combination mixes punches where the best manny should learn how its done,Norris had a super fast left hook that could catch even sugar off guard at times, beside a excellent cut you up jab, and he was a pro in hard bady punches that open sugar ray up after ray could find his top defense. Not to mention his left uncut follow with his right hand that also was a lead some times, he leap ray guessing all night long where the attack was coming from.
Noris would be too much for poor Floyd, every thing too much, pluss his punches would cut you up and they is no way to block over 1,000 punches all night with shoulder rows,
Noris I think would beat up Ali, he was one fighter boxer have no defense with as his fire power and arrangement of incoming is un avoidable and he doesn’t miss much at all.

Posted October 29, 2013 3:25 pm 


SREDMOND’s relentless and very strange obsession with Mayweather continues. LOL

Posted October 29, 2013 3:22 pm 


Stop talking bout pacman he lost his last 3 fights and was sleep in his last fight he is done get over it Floyd doing bigger and better fights

Posted October 29, 2013 3:12 pm 


Get over it and admit you are in love with SRedmond. You might even start to love yourself a little more. Stop hating others and learn to love. Open yourself up to new emotions and stop being so *nal in your posts.
No one will laugh now you are out the closet.

Posted October 29, 2013 2:33 pm 


KL, we don’t “see you around often” because you DONT know about boxing and clearly you cannot hang when discussions move beyond trivial boxing knowledge…You have NOT presented us won’t ANYTHING relevant to the topic and you have made 000000 points as it pertains to even me… I don’t blame you for being angry with me, I’m FAR more intelligent, well versed and psychologically adept than you it’s just follows suit that you are gonna feel small…(you’re not the first or last) Since you find Mayweather so objectionable why don’t you explain to us which aspects of his career and fight game (try and stay away from “he’s a bad role model” it makes feminine guys like you sound even more like Twats.. Again I get it your not sending me an Xmas Card BUT you are VERY fascinated with SREDMOND That is NOT in dispute… You say “you don’t come to the website often” but when you do it’s to try and win me over??? That means I have such influence over you that your sole reason for coming to ESB today was riding my ball sack Lol… Well Congrats!!!! Sooooo what’s your thesis on Mayweather? Probably full of feelings and NO FACTS to support them.. Guys like you illustrate the POWER of the Mayweather brand!!! You despise this fighter and those who support him but you CANNOT help but continue to invest!!! This guys is your MASTER as am I so given your lowly status as my Manservant expect a shipment of my shoes for spit shining HAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted October 29, 2013 2:31 pm 


lmfao i’ve taken a few minutes out of my time to humiliate you.

why? because it amuses me to do so.

i just have a cruel streak and a low tolerance for racist vermin.

i’d have to be as stupid as you to try an engage in anything other than light-heated frivolity with someone as dense, racist and ultimately mental as you.

i’m at a loss why anyone would.

all you do is talk out of your butt and lie all the time.


making a retard look like a fool holds no lustre when you do a perfectly good job of that yourself.

as does everyone you butt heads with.

but at the end of the day everything i said about you having no life, no friends, no girlfriend and being a compulsive lying racist mentalist is true.

you hate your life and you know i’m right about that.

shouting floyd is the greatest at me like a demented child isn’t going to change that.

it isn’t going to get you a girlfriend, friends, or a life either.

all of which i have.

and my own car and business.

that’s why you don’t see me around here very often.

how often are you on here? lmfao.

i bet when i pop by later in the week you would written another 50 novels worth of text.

where is your life?

that’s right you don’t have one. lmfao

be seeing you

Posted October 29, 2013 2:06 pm 


Actually Pac fans like you make more excuses than anything. Floyd fans stick to the same thing, Pac refused to take the test. He needed cut off dates which basically makes it not random.

Posted October 29, 2013 2:01 pm 


E I have said that numerous times. It lies on both of them but most of the blame falls on Arum. But if people are going to keep saying stupid stuff like they have been saying then I am going to reply with logic. Because in actuality Floyd only asked for Random Testing and Pac and company refused that. But yet he is so willing to do it now, 4 years later. And he has looked terrible in his last few fights. I never thought he was on anything but remember how Mosley looked and then once off the cream, remember how bad he looked then?

Posted October 29, 2013 2:00 pm 


Little Floyd avoids Pacquiao for one reason. Little Floyd doesn’t have the stones to face Pacquiao. All you Little Floyd Minion know it, but you still defend the coward. You make more excuses than LF does. In the end, it’s still the same.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:51 pm 

E in Denver

Peej- That is your opinion & a naive(?) opinion at that. The fact is it damages the legacy of both fighters. Both refused to face each other. This goes beyond Leonard’s dismissive stance on Pryor who wasn’t even in the same division. Both guys are actual ATGs at this point. But ducking of this scope hasn’t been seen since Dempsey refused to fight Johnson.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:41 pm 


KL, you cannot sell you life as being “Great” when you are TOTALLY focused on me and exploding with rage LOL!!! You are very discontent and seeking a way to cease my opinions.. Well you have set yourself up for continued failure and embarrassment because your rant accomplished nothing outside if you venting… You presented nothing of quality as it pertains to a Mayweather related commentary so in essence without knowing it my sharp analysis has rendered you inert and taken you outta the game… THANKS!!!!

Posted October 29, 2013 1:36 pm 


KL, Floyd Mayweather is the MOST dominant and easily the best Boxer out there today some of what he accomplished will take EONS to duplicate ie being Undefeated thru 5 divisions, lineal in 4 NO losses 20 plus current or standing World Champs NO LOSSES… Pushing 37 and still top Dog in the sport with no excuses for a night where he was picked off… I encourage you to stay pissed at me! Stay angry with Floyd but reality is that your Wife, GF, or daughter will all know the name of the Greatest fighter operating today and one of histories best hell they may fondle themselves while FMJ books another victory and mock your Budweiser fueled screams from the other room… HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted October 29, 2013 1:33 pm 


Unfortunately Pacs refusal to fight Floyd is going to cost him more on his legacy that Floyd not fighting Pac because Pac did not want to take random drug test.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:28 pm 


Yes we saw him answer that questions after putting on his sunglasses and then what happened? He turned down the 40 mil offered. So obviously he was not serious when he said he would meet any of Floyds demand.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:26 pm 



no buddy i have a great life.

that’s why you won’t see me around here very often like you.

i love my life even more than you hate yours.

but i’d probably contemplate ending it if i had to live yours.

thank god i didn’t draw the short straw.

my condolences.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:24 pm 


you’re joking right?

having to log in under an alt account to back you up already?

pathetic + 100

allow me to apologize for going in too hard on you.

next time i see you around i’ll make sure i wear kid gloves. lmfao

Posted October 29, 2013 1:20 pm 


stop with the comedy routine.

no one’s laughing.

you have no life.

i know that.

you know that.

everyone else knows that.

where’s your girlfriend?

where are your friends?

where is your life?

is this all you have?

i think we all know the answer to that.

that’s really sad.

but i feel no sympathy for you.

a little pity, yes.

but at the end of the day you deserve everything you don’t have.

i really shouldn’t laugh, but whatever. lmfao

Posted October 29, 2013 1:16 pm 


OMG. Who is this KJ freak? Get some help, fool!

Posted October 29, 2013 1:09 pm 


you don’t even own your own mind you lunatic.

you’re not capable of owning anything other than the clothes on your back.

you’re a compulsive liar.

Completely delusional.

no one actually takes anything you say seriously.

a few fellow racist mayweather lunatics patting you on the back doesn’t mean you have any credibility.

how can you not understand that?

you a sad and lonely loser.

a stalker.

a racist.

a compulsive liar.

and you’re also extremely unintelligent.

for real for real.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:08 pm 


KL, what’s it gonna be for you? Suicide via 9 millimeter or the Hooker with HIV? Inquiring minds want to know!!! It’s hilarious how wound up and invested you can get a stranger..! But like I said I’m on your side and presenting you with a couple of viable strategies to end your suffering at my hands…Damn I can be downright benevolent !!

Posted October 29, 2013 1:08 pm 


KJ, my ownership of your brain is 100% because your doing everything but trying to refute my points via boxing facts.. Instead in the grips of frustration and profound intellectual inferiority you are lashing out like a RedNeck conspiracy theorist in the grips of a “Meth Binge” there is a way out of your situation, the US is notoriously lax in regards to its gun laws, purchase one (assuming you can pass background check) sit thru the waiting period put it in your mouth and pull the trigger, feel free to clip your family as well…
Just a couple helpful suggestions if none of that works try aromatherapy and a hooker with HIV.. LMAO!

Posted October 29, 2013 1:00 pm 


serious questions

is there a history of mental illness in your family?

do you have a girlfriend?

do you know what it feels like to have fresh air blowing on your face?

do you have any friends?

do you always get this angry when people criticize your staking victims?

are you aware that you come across as a complete lunatic no life stalker weirdo on here?

do you need someone to talk too?

a shoulder to cry on?

the number of a shrink perhaps?

Posted October 29, 2013 12:57 pm 


Pacs legacy is tainted because he let a 39 year old Flatfooted Marquez put him to sleep..

Posted October 29, 2013 12:34 pm 


The PAC fight would have been the hugest in history but if beating Pacquiao makes is the absolute road to Greatness then Marquez, Morales, Rustico Torrecampo and the other guy who stopped Manny are Kings of the hill… Legacies incorporate a lot of fights and those special nights, say what you will but the last few years at WW Have dimmed Mannys star he’s NOT stopping anyone which was his calling card…his last 3 bouts included a near death experience, him gettin and him controversial win over Marquez… Fact is that Mayweather made a YOUNGER version of Marquez look SOOO bad that Pacs inability to put JMM away then getting Nuked by him has served to solidify the thought in the minds of many that Manny was NEVER on Floyd’s level despite his greatness… As terrific as JMM is, Canelo would smash him because he’s just FARRR to big, Mayweather spotted Alvarez 15 pounds and made it look like a tutorial… Manny simply lacks the boxing IQ to handle Floyd, and even his lower weight punching power has been relegated to average at best above 140…. Numbers don’t lie, he has NOT stopped another man in Years…what’s he gonna do with Floyd? Outbox him??? HAHAHAHAHAHA! The mans getting drilled by looping right hands from a 40 year old JMM and we pray he can overcome 140 pound tough guy and punching bag Rios…I love Manny but Floyd’s Undisputed King of the hill…

Posted October 29, 2013 12:33 pm 


Hey Sredmond you need some Mork in your life

Posted October 29, 2013 12:32 pm 


Manny Pacquiao on ESPN First Take said right on TV, Floyd, I will meet any demands you want, let’s just fight. That’s very clear to me. Floyd has never ever wanted to fight Manny Pacquiao. He never responded until later, and said that he would not fight Pacquiao until he takes care of unfinished business, which is laughable. Floyd, please just say you are scared and always have been. No excuses in any way shape or form will work now Floyd. You were called out on TV, and you showed your true colors. Floyd’s legacy will always be tainted because of the legendary Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao

Posted October 29, 2013 12:31 pm 


Hey Sredmond you need some Mork in your life. He’ll handle you

Posted October 29, 2013 12:31 pm 


Matthews all Pac had to do was say yes to random testing. If Floyd really was scared to fight or was ducking Pac then he could of called his bluff by agreeing. But he didn’t. He wanted cut off dates. Which basically nullifies random testing.

Posted October 29, 2013 12:24 pm 


Matthews if the Punisher was such a Great fighter why was he unable to remain dominant as he moved thru the ranks/weight classes??? Floyd fought in 5 never booking a loss.. Whereas Paul got paddled by Sergio and was very much gifted when Lara banged him with tha left hand all night long? The judges were literally sanctioned that result was so
Bad…We all know Williams future was not at 147 with his height and shoulder base.. Williams was a very good, gutty, all action fighter but he was figured out on more than one occasion and Martinez did it in the first round with perfect exploitation of what Quintana had shown us when Paul got reached long… His saving grace is that Marquez nailing PAC somewhat dulled the memory of that classic KO…

Posted October 29, 2013 12:22 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie


Posted October 29, 2013 12:14 pm 


NONE and I mean NONE of Floyds recent or past opponents would have brought in the money, fame, prestige, rivalry, whatever you want to call it than the Pac fight. After Pac cleaned Cotto, THE WORLD wanted to see that fight and it would possibly been the highest PPV grossing fight in boxing history. All coming against a guy who is supposed to be your easiest fight in your career. Easiest fight /most money ever. Whats hard about that, but no it was drug testing then worrying about your health. Great fighter but not the greatest.

Posted October 29, 2013 12:00 pm 



Posted October 29, 2013 11:54 am 


Peej, yep that was the excuse. No fan base SMH! OK.

Posted October 29, 2013 11:53 am 


Very Simple……………….YES.

Posted October 29, 2013 11:49 am 


of course he is, but certainly not the best

Posted October 29, 2013 11:43 am 


Now you are trying to bring up passed fighters. You should just stop. Fighters of today say Floyd is one of the best fighters, his resume speaks for itself. I can punch holes in anybody resume if you want to nit pick but the fact is Floyd is a great fighter and he is the greatest of his generation. His has many champions, titlest and HOF fighters on his resume.

Posted October 29, 2013 11:17 am 


Right off the bat you have a false accusation. Castillo was never knocked out before fighting Floyd he was only stopped on cuts. So that is one false accusation right there. I am rethinking reading the rest of your post because you have started off with 2 false theories.

Posted October 29, 2013 11:00 am 


i will read your post and then I will debunk your truths as theories. Give me a second. I have a few minutes before my break.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:59 am 


Nope, there are many folks who say he didn’t lose. It was a close fight. Could of gone either way, just because you thought he lost does not mean he lost. It was close enough to go either way.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:58 am 

Pesky Kids Trying to Order Drinks at the Bar

And I filled up a bunch of space with a whole lot of truth. Truths that burns you down to your fragile core. To quote the line from the film, ”YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!”

Posted October 29, 2013 10:54 am 

Pesky Kids Trying to Order Drinks at the Bar

Yes he DID lose to Castillo. It’s ONLY you Floyd cawk suckers who say otherwise. Just like it’s only you cawk suckers who say he didn’t duck Pacquiao. You’re living in a fantasy world. The whole world disagrees with you but you’re too blinded by your mancrush on Floyd’s balls to realize it.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:49 am 


Williams had no fan base so nobody wanted to fight him because there was no money in it. That is a fact.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:44 am 


See anybody can stop reading your theory of a post because Floyd is undefeated and he did not lose to Castillo. So basically you just took up a bunch of space.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:43 am 

Pesky Kids Trying to Order Drinks at the Bar

Some of the drivel I’m reading here is more cringeworthy than watching your dad make a fool out of himself o the dance floor. These Floyd cawk suckers are so brain dead, clueless and full of crap it boggles the mind how they can even tie their own shoe laces by themselves.

First of the bat, Floyd is not undefeated. He lost the first fight against Castillo so shut the hell up with this he’s undefeated crap. Castillo is far from being a great fighter. He’d lost FOUR times before he fought Floyd and each time he was knocked the phuck out. When you’re getting your ass beat by the likes of Castillo and being taken down to the wire by a semi-shot well past it coke addict De La Hoya, I think it’s pretty fair to say you ain’t beating any of the true greats. Prime Oscar would’ve beaten Floyd’s ass no ifs or buts.

Secondly, this is a weak era and there is an proliferation of sanctioning bodies and twice as many weight divisions as there used to be. Any half decent contender can pick up a title these days. Most of Floyd’s opponents wouldn’t have even been contenders back in the days of 1 champ per division and 8 divisions.

The reason Floyd is so well preserved is solely attributed to his cherry-picking. Of course you’re not going to burn out as quickly if you’re fighting against much lower level opponents. Fighting genuinely dangerous and talented opposition and against fellow greats is obviously going to take a much harder toll on you physically than fighting a succession of has-beens and C level comp. Only a complete retard would try to say otherwise.

Your Robinson’s, Leonard’s, Duran’s, Amstrong’s, Hearns’ etc. all fought and beat fellow greats, against opponents Floyd wouldn’t dare step foot in a ring with for all the rice in China. They’d be undefeated too if they cherry-picked like Floyd. But they didn’t. Floyd wouldn’t even fight Pacquiao for goodness sake, but you think he’s going to get in there against the likes of Robinson, Hearns, Leonard, and Amstrong? Do me a favour. lmfao.

As for Ray Leonard losing to Terry Norris. You forgot to mention that other than an ill-advised comeback SIX YEARS LATER, it was Leonard’s last fight and that it was common knowledge he was a complete coke fiend by that time. You also forgot to mention that his shaper decline was exacerbated by him having a much longer amateur career than Floyd and him actually having fought great fighters like Duran x 3, Hearns x 2, Hagler, Benitez etc.

And Terry Norris was so much better than almost all of Floyd’s opponents. Victories over Leonard, Don Curry, John Mugabi, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown, Maurice Blocker, Jorge Castro, Buster Dayton, Rene Jacquot, Vincent Pettway, Paul Vaden, Steve Little, Quincy Taylor, Carl Daniels craps on everything most of Floyd’s most of Floyd’s opponents achieved combined. lmfao.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:38 am 


Quintana-KTFO in a rematch. Lara at 154-160, Martinez-won the first, Koed in the rematch at 154-160. Nobody wanted him at 147. That’s why he moved up to begin with. Lack of big fights. Cotto was quick to jump on his belt when he vacated though.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:30 am 


Really? A 37 year old boxer is gonna lose status cause he took a $$$$$ fight against a younger guy? Get real, I never gave PAC much grief or credit for facing the VERY spent version of Mosley AFTER Mayweather dusted him and he had an ugly draw with Mora… Mayweather just fought the guy seen as his biggest threat at 154, he faced Cotto at 154 if he dials it down and faces Khan for the paycheck so be it…Personally I would rather see him vs Garcia who is young and spirited with a nice punch…

Posted October 29, 2013 10:14 am 


Williams was a tough proposition at 147 he had the wingspan of the Klits, that said he was defeated and outboxed by Quintana who was destroyed by guys’ll like Cotto and Berto.. I’m not saying the Punisher was not a headache but lets not get crazy, he was flattened in the first round by Martinez and only Lara being robbed spares him another loss..One of Pauls big weaknesses was he could not adjust and one he started reaching he was susceptible to being timed and caught OVER and OVER…Williams had bizarre size at 147, it’s natural he moved up some divisions…

Posted October 29, 2013 10:10 am 


If he fights Khan, no he will not be remembered as an all-time great. Khan is a joke.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:09 am 


Not Pac, or Floyd, or Mosley, or Cotto, and Cement hands didn’t even want a rematch. The only dude I can think of at 147 who should some interest was Clottey.

Posted October 29, 2013 10:02 am 


There is only 1 dude who beat Paul Williams at 147 and he got wiped out in the rematch. Paul was just TOO TALL for the welters and TOO BUSY. That’s why none wanted to mess with him at 147 and he had to take his business north to 154 and 160. That’s a FACT.

Posted October 29, 2013 9:59 am 


Floyd does NOT have to be considered “better than SRR” to be considered one of the “Greatest Ever” most of us accept Robinsons mythical status at face value due to how long ago he fought and the quality of footage… I have no issue with that, in fact it’s a testament to FMJs Greatness that he’s discussed in that circle… If you think Robinson had almost 200 fights against Top Opposition I have a bridge to sell you, that’s just not possible with that type of volume a lot of those guys were naturally Tomato Cans mixed with quality boxers etc…When was the last time that Mayweather was not in the ring with someone who was either a standing World Champ, former World Champ, highly ranked or on the P4P list?? Its been quite awhile face it the man makes elite Athletes look ordinary because he’s SUPER elite… The only guy approximating what he’s doing against World Class comp is Ward…Pacquiao was on an amazing run, but his struggles with an aging Marquez have put his prior dominance in the rear view mirror unless he can resume his old manical ways..

Posted October 29, 2013 9:51 am 


Edwin Valero was like Golovkin and Thurman he was NOT knocking out a bunch of World Class boxers… Those gaudy KO records mean more when you are facing World Champs or World Class opposition… Marquez and PAC would have dispatched the guy, and Floyd do we really need to ask??

Posted October 29, 2013 9:30 am 


AGREE WITH YOU DMX re EDWIN VALERO but he was a time bomb waiting to go off and it seems the authorities were correct in banning him from most states from boxing with irregularities on his brain scans as his bike/ car accident triggered some terrible emotions in him.

Sad thing is the bodies knew of his drink problems, his mood rages and beatings and did nothing about it to help him. He would have exploded, it was just a matter of time and place,

When VALERO was rampant PACMAN decided to avoid him at LIGHTWEIGHT as did the likes of AMIR KHAN and they both headed north of 135.

VALERO will always be a what if case, along with TONY EL TORITO AYALA Jnr. Great talents but morbid and evil deeds outside the confines of a boxing ring!

Posted October 29, 2013 9:26 am 


“WhoCares” if you cannot differentiate between the record and achievements of Deontay Wilder and Floyd Mayweather then you something LESS than an idiot and you don’t know boxing… Wilder has NEVER been a World Champion, he has NEVER been in a title fight, NEVER beat a HOF Boxer, how many World Champions has he beat??? Floyd’s unbeaten record was attained while defeating the LINEAL WORLD CHAMP in 4 weight classes, going 22-0 in World Title fights in 5 weight divisions and being one of the top P4P fighters in the sport for over 10 years… Real boxing fans understand the class level Mayweather operates at opposed to a new fighter just getting his feet wet like Wilder who’s best win is a Beatdown relic from yesteryear…

Posted October 29, 2013 9:18 am 


Edwin Valero (only boxer with 100% KO)
Not saying this lunatic would have beaten Floyd but pity he is not still around to add to the mix with Mayweather / Pacquaio / Marquez
This guy had more fury than Duran and Chavez and Fenech combined

Posted October 29, 2013 9:17 am 


In the end it’s all about who you have fought your quality of opposition determines your position amongst the atgs so anyone who has fought and defeated a fellow atg is above Floyd on that list.

Posted October 29, 2013 9:04 am 


PLEASE CAN NO ONE MENTION PUNISHER PAUL WILLIAMS name as ever being a potential dangerous foe for FLOYD MAYWEATHER.

I took an interest in Punisher, because he was being compared to my favourite fighter THOMAS HITMAN HEARNS (which was total lunacy)

Anyway, I got the chance to watch Punisher 2 or 3 times before he faced the midget SANTOS PAKAU (I thought he was Tongan) from NZ. Like all his fights Punisher was a perfect gentleman, before and during his fights, but with this blown up Lightweight dwarf Punisher was repeatedly tagged, missed wildly and had nothing for the first 4/5 rounds. In fact I will go as far as saying he was embarrasing and this kid was no shakes either. I remember noting how poor this guy looked.

I then saw Punisher’s break out party with MARGARITO and he threw lots of punches with zero power and I then saw MARGARITO match his punch output andworkrate from haflway and I was actually more impressed with MARGARITO than I was with Punisher.

This is in no way trying to bash Punisher, who is now in a bad way, but we are talking period 2006-2008, where Punisher stunk vs PAKAU, outpointed Margarito and then stunk the joint out vs QUINTANA!!!

At what point was he ever going to beat FLOYD???? I’ll tell you…. Never! He moved up to Jnr Middle in 2009 and went chasing other goals.

Funny thing is the only thing PUNISHER had similar to Hearns was he had an even more POROUS defence!!!!!!

Posted October 29, 2013 8:58 am 


Dont more than Ali?! Stop it Jonn…cmon man

Posted October 29, 2013 8:46 am 



When these guys were dominant, they were so good that people actually labelled them boring!!!

The ultimate aim of any sportsman or sport is to have THAT PERFECT race, PERFECT match or PERFECT FIGHT and that means to be sublime. Schumacher, Sampras, Federer and Mayweather have all made so-called hot rivals look like chumps and in the case of Schumacher they kept trying to rejink the points scoring, handicap the cars etc etc to bring the also rans closer to him, but true talent rises to the top no matter what obstacles you put in front of them.

All this means is that either Mayweather is light leagues above the skillsets of the boxers fighting today or perhaps he may well be one of the best that ever laced them up.

My thoughts are it’s a little of both. Mayweather is one of the best that ever laced them up and he is so good he makes boxing look easy and thus to the fairweather fans boring.

I have said it before and I will say it again, Roger Mayweather and I have had many chats on legacy and Roger has never veered on his thoughts that SUGAR RAY ROBINSON is the best that ever laced them up and Floyd will not step up to 160 pounds!

We can end the discussion.

The reason why Floyd says he is TBE is a marketing ploy that works and will get him several Million dollars as people pay to see him lose.

We can only decide where Floyd will reside in the PANTHEON OF GREATS after he retires and it is sheer LUNACY for anyone to debate where he stands today!

I can only say that not too long ago there was an IDIOT called ROB’em ARUM who was telling anyone who would listen that MANNY PACQUIAO was the best fighter that ever lived and everyone on here was lapping it up like morons! Then Pacman had bad performances vs Sugar Shane, DINAMITA, DESERT STORM and DINAMITA again and somehow ARUM’S fanciful boasts were forgotten!!!!!!!

Posted October 29, 2013 8:42 am 

Jonn E. JaGozza

I cant believe that anyone has to ask this question, Look at this guy’s record and the fighters he’s fought. This guy has done more in the ring than Aii . AND I’M A GIGANTIC ALI FAN. Ali did a lot for Boxing but as far as the caliBer of fighters Floyd has fought and still being undefeated, even Ali didn’t do what Mayweeather has done. GIVE THIS GUY CREDIT, YES, HE”S THAT GREAT !! … PEACE …

Posted October 29, 2013 8:29 am 


Of course he is.

Posted October 29, 2013 8:08 am 


After the Cotto fight Pac was at his fighting peak. All the greats had a main rival and so did Floyd. They fought theirs and Floyd decided for money and health reasons not to fight his. All this from a little yellow midget who would be his easiest fight, according to Mayweather. A good fighter yes, GOAT Hell No. That would be SRR.

Posted October 29, 2013 8:05 am 


Anonymous — What are you talking about?

I am saying that Floyd is NOT among the greatest fighters in boxing — he is technically great — but he did not have any great fights.

So, Floyd is NOT among the greatest fighters in boxing.

On the other hand, Floyd did fight Canelo Alvarez.

If you think that is meaningless, then why don’t you go ahead and insult the entire country of Mexico and say that Canelo Alvarez is a chump.

Why don’t you say that Canelo Alvarez sucks?

Posted October 29, 2013 8:05 am 


WhoCares … you are only 1/2 right. Floyd is technically the best fighter in the history of the sport. Floyd is very good as an overall boxer and an attraction in the sport.

But Floyd is very, very, very smart as a businessman.

He has gotten big money — for relatively low risk.

In the end, it may or may not matter that Floyd has not had great dramatic fights. It may or may not matter that Floyd has not really been tested.

If you were Floyd, you would probably do the same thing — get yourself big money for low risk.

Posted October 29, 2013 8:02 am 


all these mayweather fans,are any of you over 21.

Posted October 29, 2013 8:01 am 


Some of the comments here take the Floyd hating too far.

Floyd is the best “technical” fighter in the history of the sport. There has not been a fighter with the skills, defense, footwork like Floyd Mayweather Jr.

However, Floyd is not among the greatest because he has not been challenged by great fighters, he has not had exciting knockout power, and his fights are in large part BORING. Floyd also hurts himself by:

(a) NOT fighting Manny Pacquiao
(b) NOT fighting top fighters in their prime — Floyd’s fights with DeLaHoya, Moseley, Cotto, Judah were all at higher weights than what would be considered the prime career weights for these fighters and these guys were on the older side
(c) NOT fighting anybody tall — We don’t know how Floyd would have done against Hearns or Leonard, but it would help if he fought Margarito or Paul Williams.

On the other hand, Floyd just fought Canelo Alvarez. And you can see how Floyd is the greatest “technical” fighter in the history of the sport. He “technically” beat Alvarez and he did it easily. So, you do have to give Floyd credit. He has also run his career like a very smart business — big money, low risk. Again, it is hard to say that this was a stupid approach.

Posted October 29, 2013 7:59 am 


@ Sdredmond; agreed, Floyd shows consistently that he is not great. Being und undefeated is not everything! Look at Wilder, he will break Floyd’s unbeaten streak soon…. Floyd is a great gambler, he played his cards right, that’s all…and yes, he is a quick defensive wizard…but not an all-time great. He did not have one signature fight…and please don’t tell me because he is so good…I will start laughing and peeing myself…

Posted October 29, 2013 7:22 am 

Ray Ray

Sredmon- very well put….a good read that last post.

Posted October 29, 2013 6:29 am 


There is not a single fighter with Floyd’s to date career credentials (No One Quite has them) who is NOT considered “One of the Greatest” there are less than 5 men in the entire history of boxing who won titles on more than 5 weight classes, but NONE did it while remaining Undefeated like Mayweather, none did it while remaining Undefeated and winning 4 lineal Championships…Guys can generate all the technicalities they wish, but Mayweather is still adding to this legacy as we speak… There is a fable that every boxer Leonard, Robinson, Armstrong or Hearns fought was “somebody” which is bogus and totally untrue they had some terrific wins and some NOT so terrific wins during their career…. Terry Norris made Ray Leonard look like garbage at 34 and Norris was chosen because he had been knocked out already, at 36 going on 37 Mayweather Unifies 154 with ease against Alvarez who unlike Norris had NOT been KOED… Terry was a hell of a fighter but Ray did NOT just lose he was BADLY outboxed and humiliated…. Mayweather at 37 is so sharp still that posters feel like Canelo and Garcia should pass in the chance of a lifetime and wait for him to wind down in the future??? How much longer should that be? At 37 NONE of the boxers I discussed were undefeated NOR seemingly invincible… Floyd’s not heavy handed at 147 and definitely not at 154 so why have his opponents not just walked thru his shots and broke him down?? Because it’s NOT that easy the mans skills are unmatched in the sport and he keeps guys WAY more honest than they admit…These fighters do not wanna keep taking those clean counters all night long and they quickly begin to lose the will to win…..Floyd could be a serial Ax Murderer BUT he’s still one of the Greatest to EVER do it, a sentiment echoed more and more by actual boxing people and his fellow boxers..His bravado while remaining Undefeated and pissing on his detractors dreams is truly admirable because he consistently backs his claims…

Posted October 29, 2013 6:06 am 


One of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport. I can’t say I ever liked him, as he is so arrogant but I think of the article I read in “The Ring” magezine several years ago. The author was justifying why Muhammad Ali was # 1. He said “there wasn’t a single significant heavyweight from the 60s and 70s Ali didn’t beat.”

The same can be said for Mayweather. He whipped all the best from his time. He ducked no one. The facts cannot be ignored despite what anyone’s attitudes toward him are. He dominated everyone. No question he’s among the greatest of all time.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:58 am 

Ray Ray

Old coot- he only picks slow footed guys? Every 1 is slow footed compared 2 Floyd…..he only picks world champs more like it…how many tittle fights has he had?

Posted October 29, 2013 5:39 am 


Of course he is, no doubt about it.

Posted October 29, 2013 5:28 am 


live with it.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:33 am 


That’s who Floyd is.

Posted October 29, 2013 4:32 am 



Posted October 29, 2013 4:31 am 


I would put him among the 30 greatest boxers

Posted October 29, 2013 4:17 am 


If there’s no real news from ESB then rehashing seems to be real remedy. They know us fanatics will debate this till end of time. Stir up since us naïve folk will take the bait. Can we get some real boxing news instead of this old crap.

Posted October 29, 2013 3:29 am 

Old Coot

@ Tark: Ortiz didn’t try to “foul out”… He just got frustrated at Floyd’s forearms and elbows in his neck and face on the ropes. Floyd’s punches was not even hurting him. At least not until he wasn’t ready with his arms down looking at the ref… That is when Floyd fouled him, even after the ref had already taken points and Ortiz had vehemently apologized like three times. Even by the loosest definition of “protect yourself at all times” that does not count when looking at the ref… It was a BS win unbecoming the self-proclaimed GOAT, and even Floyd knew it… That’s why he got pissed at Larry Merchant for doing his job by pointing that out.

Posted October 29, 2013 3:05 am 


Old Coot… You don’t understand. Ortiz quit 3 times in various fights… Against Maidana… Against Lopez… Against Floyd… This was another quit… He was taking a beating and didn’t want to continue… He didn’t want to take a beating for even one more round… “I”m outta here.”

He tried to foul out. When that didn’t work he created another way out. Whatever… He only had to work 4 rounds for 12 rounds’ pay.

Posted October 29, 2013 2:34 am 

Old Coot

@ Ray Ray: I said it before… Floyd only picks slow-footed, straight-ahead styles or older fighters he thinks he can beat and ducks those he knows he can’t, like Pacquiao. And Hatton, Oscar, Cotto and Ortiz all sorta surprised him with their foot-work and agility. Which is why he would given neither a re-match.

Posted October 29, 2013 2:32 am 

Ray Ray

Off beat rich talented mo fo. He doesnt need defending, his stats are there 2 b seen by all.

Posted October 29, 2013 2:29 am 

Yo mama

It’s in Floyd nature to cheat when he can, ever watch that tube where he got in a argument with a large wrestlers after got on stage was being interviewed. Don’t know if this was stage but after a long argument Floyd punch him right smack on the nose and his whole gang ran off the stage and out the door. Was funny. But Truthfully…. why not it’s was the only out for him. So No need to defend him I think he proud to be a off beat bad mother fker.

Posted October 29, 2013 2:12 am 

Ray Ray

Wow listen 2 all these excuses….Floyd cheated vs Hatton….Ortiz was hitting Floyd alot and deserves a rematch ha ha ha this is 2 funny. Meanwhile manny vs Rios has 32 comments, bo who cry me a river….id love some of the gear u guys are on.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:51 am 

Yo mama

watch Floyd with Ricky hatten fight, watch Floyd punches he was using his elbow under Ricky neck and pushing him back, also watch his right hands he was hitting Ricky with his elbow that follow his right hand, he did it so many times it’s was too dirty too watch.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:44 am 

Yo mama

Floyd the might be the best this era. But they was some very bad aszz.. Fighter a while back. My favorite fighter probably was Terry “the terrible” Noris , unreal speed, non stop attack, unreal left hand that had it all, double jab, hook, uppercut all in a roll. Check out his tubes guys, he when all the way but was got too careless as he was distroying
Jillian Jackson but got caught with a punch and was knock out. He fought heavy weight fighter that was 30 heavier than him. P4p he was a fighter that avoided no one, he fought then all, even sugar ray he won that fight, a must see fight. He never got rated adobe of the best because of one lost. Too bad no one copyied his styled of fighting nobody could handle his attack not even juillian Jackson who would have lost that fight with out that ko punch. Sad…. That boxing..

Posted October 29, 2013 1:35 am 


Yeah forearms and the like are always legal when your the king’s golden goose

Posted October 29, 2013 1:29 am 

Old Coot

@ Tark: Ortiz was losing it’s true… But he was hitting Floyd quite a bit more than usual… And he was almost as quick with hand and footwork so he was able to get to Floyd even when he tried to back-peddle… Similar to Cotto, and MUCH better than either Guerrero or Alvarez were able to… So in my book, Ortiz deserve to go the distance more than either of the latter two… Because he was not losing as bad as you Floydiacs seem to think… I just would have preferred to see what would have happened had Floyd not sucker punched him and had Ortiz perhaps landed one of his signature left hooks later on. Honestly, Floyd probably would have won a UD… But I would just like to have seen if that would have been for certain.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:28 am 


Wow! USADA/Golden Boy/Haymon axis of evil needs a big ol goes around comes around that’s you know “Silent as a Lamb but Sly as a Fox”

Posted October 29, 2013 1:23 am 


“Floyd only uses the forearm against head-butters like Ortiz… “Get your stupid forehead out of my face fool.”

Actually, Floyd uses his forearms quite often. It’s part of his style.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:20 am 


Old Coot.., Floyd was completely dominating Ortiz and boxing the crap out him… Ortiz was taking a beating and tried to foul out with a super flagrant head-butt… When attempting to foul out didn’t work he let Floyd hit him and took the 10-count. He quit.

OK, Floyd hits you once that might be a screw up or lack of attention.. You don’t continue to look at the referee after Floyd blasts you with a left hook.. Ortiz knew another punch was coming and was still looking at Cortez.

Ortiz had a big smile on his face during the count — because he didn’t have to take a 12-round beating.

“HAHA!!! I’m 5 million dollars richer and didn’t have to go 4 rounds.”

Posted October 29, 2013 1:15 am 

Tyrone Jones

Interesting that since these PED articles and suspensions came out among camp Haymon, Broner put on massive growth but couldnt hurt Malignaggi…and Quillin looked lethargic.

Quillin does have a good excuse though–a beautiful wife with baby on the way will often make a husband very weak

Posted October 29, 2013 1:11 am 


Ghetto Thug what are you like 5 yrs old? It doesn’t hurt at all. Saying stuff like that just makes you look absolutely clueless and infantile and exposes your lack of knowledge of the history of the sport.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:11 am 


When your promoter and the network you fight for forces you to fight a fighter that could pose a threat to you then you ask that fighter to calm down in weight for a championship belt you hold for that specific weight class than you are not a all time great boxer period

Posted October 29, 2013 1:05 am 

Ghetto Thug

Money May is NOT ONE of the best ever, but is THE BEST EVER… Floyd “TBE” Mayweather….. sorry haters, I know this hurts but this is the reality of life.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:04 am 


MARK: To say that he isn’t one of the all time greats because he has not put the people on there asses is wrong. If we go back in history, and look at great all time boxers, we have people like Willie Pep, Harry Greb, two who may have in fact been the greatest in their weight class, Pernell Whitaker, and these people did not put people on there asses. lets not forget, that earlier in his career as a Junior Lightweight, which I think Mayweather would have a strong case for his being the greatest Junior Light weight champ of all time, he did put people on there asses, stopping them.It is also possible from what I have heard, that due to injuries that he has suffered he may not have the punching power he once had. Where I disagree with the article is that I thought the fight with Oscar should have been a draw, (It was a split decision) though I have to admit some bias because I wanted Oscar to win.

Posted October 29, 2013 1:01 am 


Why fight Ortiz and not Pac or Bradley? Why fight Canelo and not Lara or Molina or GGG? Why fight Khan and not Garcia or Matthysse or Brook?

Posted October 29, 2013 12:56 am 


No, definitely not.

Posted October 29, 2013 12:14 am 

ice cold

mayweather hasnt face the best yet, so clearly he is far from the greatest boxers of all time, even puttin him in da top 10 of all time is not gud enough

Posted October 29, 2013 12:00 am 


Pure crap article written but someone with no grasp of the history of the sport. PBF is NOT an all time great fighter. In fact, i struggle to call him a fighter because he doesn’t like to fight. He likes to box defensively and punch intermitently. He is a defensive specialist and a good one but he cannot compete in the same league as the real all time great Fighters because he cannot put both sides of the coin – offense and defense – together. Firther, he does not dominate fights. He did not dominate Canelo, he did not dominate Oscar de la Hoya, he did not dominate Shane Mosley, he did not dominate Cotto, hell, he did even dominate Hatton (it took him 9 rounds to dust him off). Sure, he won the fights but not the way an all time great would have – by breaking skulls and putting them on their asses. Further, he refused to fight a long, long list of good fighters, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and, obviously, Pacquaio. In my opinion, to be an all time great you have to fight everyone not pick and chose who you fight. Further, you have to show that you are the better fighter not that you are the better defender / counterpuncher. He is the complete antithesis of the word “fighter” and it is an insult to true all time great fighters to call him that.

Posted October 28, 2013 11:59 pm 

Ray Ray

If Mayweather isnt 1of the greats than u couldnt call any1 in the last 15 yrs great, no 1.

Posted October 28, 2013 11:58 pm 

Old Coot

@ SRedmond: So… He deserved it after Floyd kept elbowing him?, And after he’s already had a point deducted and tried to apologize like 3 times, and was ALSO was looking at the Ref with his arms at his sides, while the ref was looking at him? That was like Floyd hitting and armless opponent! It figures a Floydiac fanboy would think that was “warranted”. LOL!!

Posted October 28, 2013 11:14 pm 

Old Coot

@ SRedmond: Yep… I was cheering when kept landing more shots than FLOYD or YOU thought he would, especially on the ropes… And the head butt was sorta warranted, because Floyd kept pushing is forearm and elbow into Ortiz’ face… Trying to cut him!

Posted October 28, 2013 11:09 pm 


Old Coot, I was NEVER happier than when Floyd floored crazy Ortiz.. He deserved it and he got it… If you wanna dream Ortiz was winning and seconds from stopping Floyd then by all means keep yanking your prick to that fantasy..,
Myself and the judges saw Ortiz dominated and KOed since then we have seen Guerrero, Cotto and Canelo ALL go down in a sea of excuses… It’s GREAT being a Floyd fan he NEVER disappoints or forces is to make excuses for losses Thank God!

Posted October 28, 2013 11:08 pm 

Tomato Can

Old Coot, let me guess, you were cheering when Ortiz landed the head butt, cause he wasn’t landing anything else of note. As a matter of fact Mayweather was able to get off a 4 or 5 punch combo just prior to the head butt. He hardly ever does that, if the fight would have gone on, the chance of him doing that again, outweighed the possibility of Ortiz getting much done. Ortiz was out classed and frustrated, because of that fact.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:56 pm 

Old Coot

@ SRedmond: When ole Larry Merchant was simply doing his job by asking Floyd what everyone was thinking… Which was- How does the self-proclaimed GOAT need to win by sucker-punch against someone you were beating anyway? Floyd, who knew damned well, what he had done, got all pissy and tried to change the subject to- “Boo HOO!! Look at poor lil’ me… I just ripped fans off for tens of millions on PPV but Larry won’t gimme my props?” GTFOH!!

Posted October 28, 2013 10:52 pm 

Tomato Can

lol, Ortiz better have a strong showing in Decmeber, it’s been a year and a half since he last fought. As it stands, he’ll need to mak a lot of noise to even be considered for a Mayweather fight. I’d bet against him making a lot of noise.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:51 pm 

Old Coot

SRedmond: Floyd thought Ortiz was the answer… Floyd couldn’t hurt him until he got scared and had to cheap shot an unarmed distracted opponent… And I for one would have liked to see the fight end without a sucker punch from a rip-off artist.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:42 pm 


Ortiz landed NOTHING of note hence Floyd being unmarked absent the damage from his butt… The announcers were discussing Ortiz eyes being shut and his Contused face told the story post KO as he crawled in the canvas like the dog he is..

Posted October 28, 2013 10:35 pm 


HaHaHaHaHa fools are selling Ortiz as the answer!! This warrants a good puss in my pants… Truly a joke, if you get wild with Mayweather he’s gonna retaliate, the man has a cruel side that comes out when he is challenged or fouled… No one can box with Floyd Mayweather until he gets so old his skills erode past the breaking point… Most of these boxers have booked losses to less than stellar comp but a slew of HOFERS, World Champs and strong contenders have ALL been turned back…Victor Ortiz was not the man to fullfill your hopes nor was Canelo with every win the threat of Floyd retiring with that 0 looms larger…

Posted October 28, 2013 10:33 pm 


if he will beat pac then he will be one of the greatest boxers of all time…

Posted October 28, 2013 10:32 pm 

Old Coot

And Tark: Floyd put his forearm and elbow in Ortiz face repeatedly when Ortiz was scoring on the ropes, BEFORE the head butts!

Posted October 28, 2013 10:26 pm 

Yellow Chump

But the footage on that video completely contradicts that. Argue it doesn’t if you want but you just make yourself look stupid by doing so. That’s Flomos for you though. They’ll argue that snow isn’t cold. That’s why nobody respects you guys. Because you’re completely delusional and full of spin and lies.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:25 pm 

Old Coot

Floyd is not even in the top 20 ATGs!

Posted October 28, 2013 10:23 pm 

Old Coot

@ Tark: Ortiz hit Floyd more in four rounds than Alvarez did in 12… So what’s your point?

Posted October 28, 2013 10:22 pm 

Yellow Chump

But the footage on that video completely contradicts that. Put your specs on breh

Posted October 28, 2013 10:21 pm 


To answer the question. NOPE. Floyd isn’t ONE of the GREATEST of ALL times. He is THE GREATEST of All times. aka the GOAT. 10 CHAMPS defeated in his last 12 Fights. WOW!!!! 5 Top 10 P4P opponents defeated in his last 7 Fights. WOW!!!! No one in History can match it!!! And he made it LOOK EASY…….It LOOKED SO EASY that Pacquiao tried it but he ended UP gettting out Boxed, ROBBED, and then knocked OUT!!!

Posted October 28, 2013 10:19 pm 


Unbeatable? Jose Luis Castillo beat him in the first fight. He didn’t have to foul. Castillo was no great shakes in the grand scheme of things either. He’d already been knocked out FOUR times before he beat Floyd. He was Julio Cesar Chavez’s sparring partner. Similar in style but not a fraction as good. But he still beat Floyd. Can you imagine what Chavez would’ve done to Floyd? A prime Duran, Leonard, Hearns? I’m talking about great fighters here and there’s many, many more of them who would’ve whipped Floyd silly. When you’re getting beat by the likes of Castillo and being taken to the wire by a semi-retired shot De La Hoya I think it’s safe to say you ain’t going to fare too well against the greats.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:18 pm 


Floyd only uses the forearm against head-butters like Ortiz… “Get your stupid forehead out of my face fool.”

Ortiz apologized and led with kisses and hugs… He tried a few more kisses and hugs after the referee ordered, “Time in, BOX.”

Floyd wasn’t in the mood for kissing and making out… Only for knocking out.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:12 pm 


I am not a Floyd Lover by any measure but the numbers speak for themselves. He is a master of his craft and nearly unbeatable.
Ortiz had the right idea (until he dropped his hands that is), rough him up, head butt, foul him, drop a point here and there smash on his guard stick with that plan and he will eventually open up. He knew he could not outbox him as soon as he signed on the dotted line.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:09 pm 


Now… Ralph Jones lost 5 straight fights to fighters you never heard of.

He ended that losing streak by beating the crap out of Sugar Ray Robinson.

Posted October 28, 2013 10:00 pm 


Old Coot, you saw a fight that almost NO ONE else did ….If the BEST moment of jeopardy you can conjure up for Mayweather was the EASY as pie Ortiz then by default you just cosigned FMJ’s ALL TIME GREATNESS Ortiz was hapless, getting outboxed and frustrated… Canelo who is 2x the fighter Ortiz is showed his frustration in a more gentleman like manner and simply shook his head as the punches struck air…Reality is that all I have to so is relax
And point to that 45-0 record meanwhile you have the unenviable task of selling Victor Ortiz
As a danger to Floyd Mayweather HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!

Posted October 28, 2013 9:58 pm 


Old Coot…, The ONLY good fighter Victor Ortiz fought since his Floyd fight is Josesito Lopez.. The same Josesito Lopez who Canelo ran over with little effort..

Canelo brutalized and stopped Josesito Lopez…

Josesito Lopez brutalized and stopped Victor Ortiz.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:56 pm 


Floyd is one of the Greatest Coward!!!

Posted October 28, 2013 9:54 pm 


He did not keep sticking his forearm in his neck. That’s what made it so great. Victor and his team made a stink about it leading to the dight. Then tried to say Floyd kept throwing elbows at him which never happened. Sorry but Floyd is old school and if you cheap shot him he’ll get ya back. Only thing was Ortiz didn’t have the heart to continue.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:52 pm 


if all boxers have the boxing style of Mayweather maybe Boxing is DEAD now!!!

Posted October 28, 2013 9:51 pm 

Old Coot

@ SRedmond: Victor only head-butted Floyd because every time they were on the ropes, Floyd kept sticking his forearm and elbow in Ortiz’ face… And the boos from the crowd said it all… Ortiz was looking at the Ref who was looking at him… Floyd got nervous that he couldn’t hurt Ortiz and kept getting mugged on the ropes and felt he had to cheat to win… PERIOD!! Floyd owe the kid one… DOUBLE PERIOD!..

Posted October 28, 2013 9:44 pm 


Ortiz was another fighter missing punches and eating return leather in healthy doses… He was doing so well with his fists that he decided a Headbutt might yield better results.. Floyd Mayweather should have received a Presidential Citation and Ortiz purse for teaching that fool a lesson and many other fighters with him..

Posted October 28, 2013 9:33 pm 


Mayweathers EASILY one of the GREATEST to ever lace up and each victory he racks up bring him closer to the top of the mountain…His work ethic and consistency over time are unrivaled… When have we EVER SEEN Mayweather out of shape or making some tragic excuse for losing such as cramps, gassing or depression.. The man is a PERFECT blend of talent, iron will and work ethic….The man has one of the MOST coveted “0’s” in the history of the sport and the FACT that 50% of his opponents were World Champions is astounding…Generations of young fighters and fans will look back at the skills of FMJ when they want to see PURE boxing at its best..

Posted October 28, 2013 9:30 pm 

Tomato Can

Old Coot, Ortiz should thank Mayweather for that sucker punch, cause Ortiz truly was a sucker for it. Butbreally since then all Ortiz has done was get his jaw broke and a place on dancing with the stars, thanks to Mayweather… But seriously What has Irtiz done since little Lopez broke his jaw? Nothing right? Ortiz doesn’t deserve a rematch, he’s a non relevent fighter at this point…

Posted October 28, 2013 9:26 pm 

Tomato Can

Anyone’s personal Top 20 list is subjective.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:21 pm 

Old Coot

Watch the Ortiz fight again with the sound off… Floyd is scared to give him another shot!

Posted October 28, 2013 9:19 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 9:18 pm 

Tomato Can

Broke Jaw Ortiz should get a rematch? Not a chance…t

Posted October 28, 2013 9:16 pm 


Top 20. Ali, Leonard,Hearns,Holyfield, Both Klitschkos,Marquez,Jones Jr.,Calzaghe, Hopkins, Chavez SR !,Camacho, Gatti, Frazier,Louis, Robinson,Oscar, Morales,Duran, Marciano ! Those are my top 20 Ali is first , Leonard second , line the rest up how you want but they are fighters . Floyd is in the next category down – great as he is , he is not a fighter – he is a defensive boxer who has fast hands and does just enough to win. Not in the class above though . I will say without a doubt the greatest defensive fighter ever though

Posted October 28, 2013 9:15 pm 

Old Coot

Floyd won by sucker punch over Ortiz and should give the kid a re-match… Now that Ortiz knows what to expect, I’d like to see it.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:11 pm 


If even Hecdog puts him in his top 50 you know the man is in the top 10 atg.

Posted October 28, 2013 9:10 pm 


Problem is most haters make claims that he will not fight certain fighters and then when he does people change their tune quickly. Just like with Hatton. Everybody said he would not fight Hatton and that he had the perfect style to beat Floyd. As soon as the fight is signed it was a cherry picked fight. Same with Canelo. But with Canelo most folks on here where picking Canelo except for a select few and once he made easy work of him it was once again a cherry picked fight. So he will never please you haters. But the fact is he is the greatest boxer of his generation. Y’all just have to deal with that

Posted October 28, 2013 8:58 pm 

Ray Ray

Tomato can said it correct….im sure the haterz on here will rubbish him though.

Posted October 28, 2013 8:51 pm 

Tomato Can

Yesterday’s athletes paved the way for today’s athletes. As time goes by athletes get better and better in all sports. Boxing is no exception to this rule. Therefore it’s safe to say that today’s best fighters would find a way to make it in past eras. it’s also safe to say that today’s very best would be great in the past as well. Any fighter would be happy to attain Mayweathers skill level, he’s amoung the greatest!

Posted October 28, 2013 8:41 pm 

Old Coot

@ Nameless… With such and over-inflated opinion of Floyd, it’s a good thing you are NAMELESS!!

Posted October 28, 2013 8:40 pm 


Floyd is TGOAT with SRR a far second. End of discussion.

Posted October 28, 2013 8:35 pm 

Old Coot

@ BigMikeTampa: Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Posted October 28, 2013 8:24 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 8:14 pm 


Mayweather’s approach to fighting in the ring is exactly the same as his approach for selecting opponents: Safety first and taking the most minimal amount of risk possible. Even when facing all those cherry-picked stiffs and cans his legacy is built off he still takes the most minimal amount of risk. He always takes the path of least resistance but expects the same amount of respect and acclaim of those who did it the hard way and proved their mettle time and again against the greats.

Posted October 28, 2013 8:07 pm 


Old Coot- SRR also won his first, what, 119 pro fights (not sure) until Lamotta beat him? Im sure PBF would have been able to do the same (sarcasm) Ill beat the drum again, 8 weight classes, ONE champ per division w 15 rounds. That being said.. Floyd better than Robinson or Armstrong?!?! LMFAO!!

Posted October 28, 2013 8:02 pm 


Er. The answer to that would be a very loud and resounding NO!

I read a great comment about Mayweather earlier.

‘For someone who’s ”been at the top for 16 years” and is ”the sport’s cash cow”, it sure is funny how he managed to never fight a great fighter who was in their prime’

That says it all really. Sixteen years at the top but he managed to miss them all.

Mayweather’s reputation as a cherry-picker and a serial ducker is well earned. That’s a damn long time to be at the top without ever having fought a great fighter who was in their prime. A damn long time! The Mayweather clan keep telling us over and over again how everyone wants a piece of the his sweepstakes, but in the next breath they’ll tell you that it was actually everyone who was ducking him. Everyone else is to blame for all these fights never taking place except him.

It’s Pacquiao’s fault Mayweather is the only one of his opponents who refused to fight him unless he underwent extra testing.

It’s Margarito’s, Paul Willy’s, Mosley’s, Cotto’s fault Mayweather lost his urge when us fans were clamouring for him to fight them.

Mayweather saying he was more worried about his health than taking on his most legitimate threat was merely a figment of our imaginations.

Mayweather never cherry-picked weak opponents and then got his PR team to build them up to something they never were even though he actually admitted this is exactly what they do.

All these shot has-beens and slow stiff never-gonna-bes he fought were actually really good fighters.

Pacquiao is the one who was scared of getting in their with great fighters even though he fought Barrera x 2, Morales, 3, and Marquez x 4 and Mayweather never fought one.

The Mayweather clan are so easily fooled. I genuinely often cringe with embarrassment when I read the unadulterated tripe they come out with. I’ve never encountered a group of sport’s fans of such pitifully low intelligence. I honestly think their brains most be defective or something.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:59 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 7:56 pm 


now Greb was a great middlewt , but Walker was a welterweight that fought his way up tp heavywt.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:55 pm 


Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best “technical” fighter in the history of boxing.

Floyd has the best combination of skills, defense, footwork — he is overall the best “technical” fighter in the history of the sport.

The question of whether Floyd is the “greatest boxer” or “one of the greatest boxers” in the history of the sport is more complicated because boxing involves courage, knockout power, and bringing a high level of drama and excitement to each event.

Many of Floyd’s fights have not had much courage, not many knockouts, and not much drama. He is a technical master — but it is not always high drama.

I would also say that Floyd hurt himself by:

(a) NOT fighting Manny Pacquiao — which was stupid because he probably would have won easily
(b) NOT fighting top fighters in their prime — Floyd’s fights with DeLaHoya, Moseley, Cotto, Judah were all at higher weights than what would be considered the prime career weights for these fighters and these guys were on the older side
(c) NOT fighting anybody tall — We don’t know how Floyd would have done against Hearns or Leonard, but it would help if he fought Margarito or Paul Williams.

So, Floyd is great technically but no drama — and he hurt himself by being a bit selective.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:35 pm 


Trains and always in shape, controls all his affairs, make a ton of money every fight, wins all championship fights, still sports a (0) after 17 years as a pro. Yeah, he is one of the Great ones. Congrats to him, well done.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:35 pm 

Old Coot

@ BigMikeTampa: I’m sure you noticed how ole “Anonymous” there, conveniently made sure he listed less than forty of Sugar Ray Rob’s 199, 15 round fights as legit… You know, that way Floyd’s record of 12 rounders somehow seem better then Robinson’s, right? LOL!! No wonder he is a fanboy to that overrated con artist Mayweather.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:30 pm 

1-2 combo

*shoulder barge

Posted October 28, 2013 7:28 pm 

1-2 combo

nope a true champ shakes hands with you after u have blantantly jumped an headbutted him in the mouth after about the fourth attempt of trying. A true champ goes to shake the hand if canelo after a blatant low blow and should barge.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:28 pm 

Old Coot

@ PEEJ: WRONG!! You got it twisted Floyd FAKE-retired to duck Oscar and Hatton, and sucker-punched Ortiz who was just starting to get in that ass! Why you think he dissed old man Larry Merchant for asking why he sucker-punched Ortiz… Because he knew it was true. A true champ doesn’t cheat fans out of millions like that!

Posted October 28, 2013 7:23 pm 


Ali and Freizer have two fights that we always like to watch on the fight anniversary year, Floyd don’t have that, maybe if he fight Pacquiao.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:17 pm 

Old Coot

Floyd Sr. pisses his Depends and Floyd Jr, pisses his Huggies, at the mere mention of the name Pacquiao!! And now they will duck Bradley too!!

Posted October 28, 2013 7:16 pm 


Damn, I hate auto spell/ auto correct.
Should read dwarf LEWIS Hamilton and
He definitely deserves a good shot at the top table…..and where in the top 10 he stands!

Posted October 28, 2013 7:16 pm 

Old Coot

@ Anonymous and Efe: Go EFE yeselves!!… Floyd couldn’t even lift SRR’s gloves. Floyd has barely fought a quarter of the fights Ray Rob did!

Posted October 28, 2013 7:13 pm 


First they tried everything to take the gloss off Michael Schumacher, even changing the points system, but STILL he whipped all their b*tts and own championship after championship even though they labelled him boring and not good for the sport and now they are looking at reworking the championship again because Sebastien Vettel is bashing their heads in and the foolish dwarf, LEWIS hMilton is crying it’s not fair, because he is so far behind Vettel? Well, puff to you. Get better or get out of the sport!

The same goes for the Floyd bashers. Get better or get out of the sport.
He’s the best there is, so deal with it. Stop whinging like b*tchez and either dedicate yourself to the sport and get better or get the ckuf out here!

Is he the best ever? No, but he’s the best there is… He definitely deserves a good shirt at the table for top 10 ATG and only when he retires should we look at where in the too 1o he stands.

But, number one is the man P4P was invented for and that is Sugar Ray Robinson.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:13 pm 

1-2 combo

Deepwater, it is IMPOSSIBLE, to be an 8 time world champion at 5 weight classes and play it safe.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:06 pm 


gatti was shot when floyd picked him. corrales was mind fooked because he got arrested for beating his girl and floyd got him emo. delahoya was already doing blow and dressing up and hatton was a drunk at the time of the fight. floyd is best of the time but will be known a guy that played it safe

Posted October 28, 2013 7:04 pm 


mickey walker and greb would of beat lil floyd in the ring then followed him to the club and beat him down there and leave with his hoes

Posted October 28, 2013 7:02 pm 

1-2 combo

I got a few moments for u liver shot. The way he destroyed the corrales who was favourite in that fight. Or the way he took gatti apart. Or how about when he knocked hatton down with that checked hook. Or the way canelo could hardly land a shot on him. Put it simply, u want him to be in a war, but the fact that he is so much better than his opponents and is able to beat them almost without breaking sweat makes u believe fighters like Bowe and ward are greater. That my friend is BS.

Posted October 28, 2013 7:01 pm 


based on your ” logic” joe calzage is better then floyd

Posted October 28, 2013 7:01 pm 


Anonymous- “About 160 of Robinson’s 199 fights came against 2nd raters with many, many losses — or very few fights against anyone good.

Floyd fought a much higher caliber of boxer overall.”

That was also in a time of 8 weight classes with ONE champ per division. There was a top 10 without 5 other “sanctioning bodies” with “contenders”. I would submit that many of the “2nd raters” as you call them would beat many of PBF opponents that you are propping up.

Yes, Floyd is absolutely the most gifted fighter in the ring today. Yes, I think he has ducked Pac though he likely would have won initally and now that so much time has passed should def win.

Floyd an ATG? Maybe…depends on how long the list is.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:58 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 6:57 pm 


Floyd is the Kim Kardashian of BOXING.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:56 pm 

1-2 combo

Please please please can someone explain how a boxer who is an 8 time world champion in 5 weight classes and remained undefeated manage to cherry pick his way to this accomplishent. If that is the case why has NO ONE else in boxing history managed to achieve this. To all the haters, you need to stop because it is no good for the soul. You need to learn to give credit when its due. And another thing, someone tell me who in the history of boxing has had a better defense than floyd. Im waiting for name. I dont care if the fighter u names fought over 100 years ago, I will youtube them to see. I DEAL WITH THE FACTS, COMPUBX NUMBERS DO NOT LIE.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:55 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 6:55 pm 

Liver Shot

Greatest of all time? Best record of all time sure, the man is undefeated. Depends on the definition of Greatest of all time is. If you go on record he is. An undefeated record doesn’t make one the greatest of all time. How many memories has he given us? What does he stand for besides himself? Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali fought fought for their people and their beliefs they also had wars in the ring. Joe Frazier has to fight the people that never accepted him as champion and fought wars in the ring. Larry Holmes defended his title 29 times and was robbed of reaching Rocky Marciano’s record, he got off the deck to win fights. Leonard, Hagler , Hearns, Duran, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Gatti, Ward all left us with some special moments in the ring. These were all great fighters and they were not undefeated. They are ahead of Mayweather on the Greatest of all time list. It’s about what you leave in the ring people remember. No, one will ever remember a Mayweather Knock out, or War cause he doesn’t have any. No one say’s “hey remember that time Floyd ducked that punch and held on” or “do you remember how he counter punched?” No Undefeated boxer sure. Greatest of all time? No.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:53 pm 


If he isnt an atg than what are the qualifications? Numerous championships in 5 different weight classes! If that isnt an atg than what and who is?

Posted October 28, 2013 6:23 pm 



“Didn’t Ray Leonard lose to Duran — who was moving up in weight?

Didn’t Hagler lose to Leonard who was moving up in weight — in addition to not having fought in 3 years?

Didn’t Larry Holmes lose to Michael Spinks who was moving up in weight?

Didn’t Ali lose to 197-pound Leon Spinks — who he had 26 pounds on?”

Don’t Forget Ray Robinson.. As 160 Champ Robinson lost to much shorter and smaller welterweight champ, Carmin Basilio.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:22 pm 


About 160 of Robinson’s 199 fights came against 2nd raters with many, many losses — or very few fights against anyone good.

Floyd fought a much higher caliber of boxer overall.

Robinson never beat a real good boxer-puncher in his life… Because he ducked Archie Moore and Charley Burley.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:16 pm 


silly old coot

Posted October 28, 2013 6:15 pm 


Great article,Floyd is definitely the greatest of all time.haters would always hate

Posted October 28, 2013 6:13 pm 


If Floyd retired a lot… So did Robinson… Robinson blamed his in activity for his loss to Ralph Jones, although Robinson recently had a fight and Jones lost his five (5) previous fights before whipping the HELL out of Robinson.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:12 pm 


correction: he earned the right to be called one of the greatest

Posted October 28, 2013 6:06 pm 


There’s no question he’s one of the greatest boxer in boxing history. You can’t hate him and wish someone could beat the crap out of him, but he’s the Michael Jordan of boxing. Regardless whether you hate him or dislike his attitude, facts are facts and one must give credit where credit is due.

Before the Canelo fight, many of you here and other so called boxing expert believed that Floyd had finally met his equal, but it wasn’t even closed. I wonder how many of you would bet against him for the next fight…regardless of who he’ll be fighting next. That says a lot about a boxer and, in my opinion; he earned the right to be called on of the greatest.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:05 pm 


You are wrong. There was no need for a rematch with Oscar other than the payday. Hatton didn’t want a rematch and who cares about Ortiz? He doesn’t deserve a rematch. He was KOd in 4 after trying to head butt and break Floyd’s nose. Arum wouldn’t let Cotto fight him when they where at 140, said he was too green. Williams is overrated but still he couldn’t stay at one weight. Lass long enough to earn a shot. Who cares about Margacheato he is a cheater. There is no pre cheat. His whole career is suspect. Notice how he couldn’t KO anybody after being found out. He called Mosley out at 135 and Mosley declined to fight Oscar. Clotted didn’t bring any fans and as you could see in the fight against Pac there was no need for that fight to happen. And yes he is the greatest fighter of his generation

Posted October 28, 2013 6:04 pm 

Old Coot

focker: Let’s not forget for a stretch, he faked retirement twice and fought like once every 18 months.

Posted October 28, 2013 6:03 pm 

Old Coot

Three words- Aw HELL NAW!!

Floyd is greatish… However he’s a greatER conman… Best at picking really good opponents afflicted with the one flaw that makes Floyd appear greater than he is… Them that possess relatively slow legs and feet and overall agility as compared to Floyd…

You notice Floyd avoided or avoids fighters like Pacquiao, or rematches with Oscar, and Hatton and even Ortiz, Not to mention Floyd outright ducked the prime then undefeated versions of Cotto, Williams, (pre-cheat) Margarito, and even Clottey… And we all know he ducked Mosley for like TEN YEARS!! And I’m betting now, he will avoid Bradley too… All opponent who possessed or still possess the foot speed to get to him… Not to mention they had or have the hand-speed, punching power, and stamina to give Floyd fits.

Case in point… Unexpectedly for Floyd the older defeated version of Cotto sorta surprised Floyd by STILL being a bit more fleet-footed than Floyd expected or was comfortable with… And you see what Floyd did after Cotto… He went right back to picking relatively slow-footed straight forward opponents in Guerrero and Alvarez.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:58 pm 


I don’t think he is the greatest but he is a great and he is this generations greatest boxer

Posted October 28, 2013 5:56 pm 


Floyd the greatest fighter of all time? gtfo!! Sugar Ray Robinson fought 202 times, fought almost every two weeks for 15 rounds, compare that for Floyd one fight a year. this writer is out of his mind. floyd is not even in top 25.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:48 pm 


He didn’t fight everybody so no.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:40 pm 


Actually Floyd was the lineal champ at 130, 135, 147, and 154. He also held a title at 140

Posted October 28, 2013 5:37 pm 


Hecdog stop. Floyd agreed to everything Pac wanted and Floyd asked for random testing. Pac and company are the ones that came up with excuses and yet still make excuses. Wanting 50/50, wanting to build a stadium, the cut is to severe he can’t fight this year then fights a month later, oh building stadiums. Come on now. Those are excuses. Floyd asking for better testing is not an excuse

Posted October 28, 2013 5:36 pm 


He’s definitely one of the greatest boxers if not the greatest. He’s very intelligent. From what I know he is the greatest boxer of all time. You have to analyze what he does in the ring against his opponents forget the nonsense of packio this packio that. I believe if he fought packio he’d beat him scientifically.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:35 pm 


Sweedish are you on drugs!!!

Posted October 28, 2013 5:35 pm 


I know exactly what I am talking about.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:33 pm 


Simple yes

Posted October 28, 2013 5:33 pm 

Prof Konje

Same old comments from the “haters” Same old mention of Pacquaio; some old mention of cherry picking. Just the same old excuses to hate.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:31 pm 


Floyd Mayweather is top 50. It’s very clear that Mayweather dodged a lot of fighters while they were in their prime. And after looking at his record, Corrales is the only boxer that really stands out as a top fighter in his prime. The rest were old, one dimensional or not very talented. His last win against a kid that had no experience whatsoever didn’t accomplish much. The Mexican following and the media created Canelo Alvarez. Did we all see Canelo’s unbeaten record. he fought no one except trout that isn’t very good and can’t break and egg. Floyd is a great athlete, but as a prize fighter, he lacks a lot. Castillo proved that, and old Cotto proved that and an old Mosely proved that. The biggest disappointment of Floyd Mayweather’s boxing career is the excuses he came up with for not fighting Manny Pacquiao. He ran, nad is STILL running from the best fighter of this era and arguable the best fighter of all time. Floyd has the right people in his corner that have made a ton of money for him no question, but he will forever be remembered as the guy that was scared to fight the legendary Manny Pacquiao. And yes Manny Pacquiao is much more popular world wide than is Mayweather. Unbeaten records don’t prove your a great fighter or the best. Calzhage, Marciano, Ricardo Lopez all retired unbeaten, but they are far from being the best. It’s those great fighters that challenge themselves and their legacies by taking on the best in their era. They take on their toughest opponents and attempt to beat them at their own game. They fight, bleed, get knocked down and their courage, skills and heart are tested. These fighter show their true character, which fight fans love to see. Fighters like Duran, Chavez, Leonard, Robinson, Ali, Gomez, Zarate, Sanchez, Pacquiao and others are great fighters regardless of their win or loss record. They will be remembered for their fights, not their money, 24/7 reality shows, showing off their materials etc. Floyd had his chances and failed. A truly great fighter is someone like Manny Pacquiao that never avoided anyone, won 8 division championships, came to fight every time, pleased the fans, diplayed class inside and outside of the ring regardless if he won or lost, and never cheated his fans out of their money. This is a true boxing great that will be remembered for hi fights and not his mouth.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:31 pm 


It’s subjective and nothing more. I really enjoy watching Floyd box, but this greatest of all time stuff is just silly, and the easiest way to prove it is to force (and yes, I said force) fans to watch all of Ali’s fights. No objective fight fan (after seeing all of Ali’s fights) would call him the greatest (even the greatest heavyweight), but yet far too many people consider Ali the greatest. So stop with this “greatest” stuff already.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:21 pm 

Swedish Boxing Fan

Okey now, seriusly how much of this “enlightment and cheers” of how “great” Floyd Mayweather jr do we have to put up with now? Is this the same article re-printed for the 3rd time or is it just a repeat just with diffrent words? Seriusly how much more? Okey he is a great fighter in the ring. Okey he won but PLEASE STOP IT NOW. Enough for a long while. Mayweather Jr have still never unified the world crown in any weight clas yet so until then he is just a title champion among others. 3 Ones, 2 to go.

Posted October 28, 2013 5:17 pm 



Do you understand what you are talking about? Floyd is more popular in America because he is American, Pacman is more popular worldwide. in ESPY award, ESPN pick certain fighter on that year to be voted as best fighter, ESPN did not enter Pacs name on the poll on the years that Floyd’s won the award.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:58 pm 


years ago we had legends. now we have hype peds and prima donna”s

Posted October 28, 2013 4:54 pm 


the reply is no

Posted October 28, 2013 4:44 pm 


Funny but everybody used to say Pac had more fans than Floyd yet Floyd has won it 5 times. It doesn’t matter if he just sent a message or attended. What matters is he won. And again people keep saying he only sells PPV because people don’t like him and want to see him lose. lol. People always trying to change the story on the great Floyd Mayweather.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:43 pm 


i thought canelo was the next big thing. no your right another hype job.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:43 pm 


Look at his whole record and you will see he fought fighters after big wins. So the fighters you named all had big wins before fighting Floyd.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:42 pm 


anoy. dont compare mayweather with the clinchko bros.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:36 pm 


Lets see .. A SHOT GATTI, A SHOT OSCAR, A SHOT MOSLEY, QUITTER ORTIZ, FRONT RUNNER JUDAH, SLOWDIMOR, GUERRERO(NOBODY) A FAT MARQUEZ in which he came overweight, and Canelo who is a punching bag… id say NOPE!!

Posted October 28, 2013 4:34 pm 



Who cares about the fighter of the decade award. Floyd has 5 ESPYs which is voted on by the fans, not a panel of journalist


Fighter of the Decade is not popularity contest like ESPY award, fans will vote for their idol no matter what, decade fighters based on what you achieve in the ring in span up of 10 years. Floyd did not even attend ESPY awarding ceremony, he just sent thank you messages on tape,

Posted October 28, 2013 4:31 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 4:30 pm 


Floyd was an underdog against Castillo I think. he was moving up and fighting the champion. But I am not 100% sure. But then again it is not his fault that nobody is good enough to beat him at this moment.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:28 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 4:24 pm 

mr gav

No one can denay how good he is but unlike dome of the greatest fighters of all time flloyd has never taken a risk. All his fights are well thought off even with cotto and Alvarez he made sure of stipulations in them fights. So he’s great just not goat till he fights as an underdog hence ggg fight

Posted October 28, 2013 4:20 pm 


I like to wait until a fighter has retired first but floyd is on the list of all time greats with out a doubt. Mayweather has proved himself.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:19 pm 


mayweather has been in great exiteing fights just like the klit bros. LOL.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:16 pm 


simple answer: Yes

Posted October 28, 2013 4:05 pm 


the question you should be asking is if no one can beat mayweather at 36 years of age, than how good are the rest of em.

Posted October 28, 2013 4:02 pm 


Is Floyd the greatest ? I say no he didnt fight Paquaio. 50 cent said and I believe him that Floyd was chicken of Paquaio in those year Paq was knocking people out right and left. I think Floyd now is still chicken of him.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:58 pm 


Who cares about the fighter of the decade award. Floyd has 5 ESPYs which is voted on by the fans, not a panel of journalist

Posted October 28, 2013 3:44 pm 


Pac has never cornered Floyd in the testing area. Always asking for a cut off date is what ruined the fight. And then when he so called said yes to the testing, after his career took a hit when he was not selling like he used to then Floyd demanded a bigger piece of the pie which he rightfully deserved. In 2009/10 the fight was signed and they said no to the random testing. Meaning Floyd agreed to everything Pac and company demanded yet they turned down the 1 request Floyd made and that was random testing up to the fight, not 24 days, not 14 days not 7. And what is funny is Floyd agreed to the 14 day and they said no.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:43 pm 


How can he be a Greatest of all time, he cannot even get the fighter of the decade.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:43 pm 


Comparing yesterday fighters to today fighters is dumb. You can never know who would of won. Times where different, how often they fought was different. Not to mention they could never fight now. And yet those past greats like Sugar Ray Leonard say Floyd is a great fighter. Many fighters call him a great fighter and many people say he can fight and compete in any era.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:41 pm 


Silly question he’s absolutely one of the best to ever do it but him avoiding Pac at all cost puts him at the bottom of that list. Accusing Pac publicly to cause a rift between the 2 camps, moving the goalpost on the cutoff date for testing then when Pac cornered him on testing offering arguably the goat with the accolades to back that claim a measly 40mil when at the time Pac could’ve demanded the bigger part of the purse because at the time Pac had sold more ppvs than Floyd. Floyd is nowhere near Ali and RayRob Ali fought many atgs and Ray fought LaMotta 4xs Floyds only win over an atg was Marquez and he cheated himself by not making a weight he could’ve easily made reasons like that is why he falls to the bottom of the atg list. Ali and RayRob that’s Pac class.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:40 pm 


This guy is an idiot. Many pundits already believe Mayweathter is either the GOAT or one of the best of all time.

Didn’t Ray Leonard lose to Duran — who was moving up in weight?

Didn’t Hagler lose to Leonard who was moving up in weight — in addition to not having fought in 3 years?

Didn’t Larry Holmes lose to Michael Spinks who was moving up in weight?

Didn’t Ali lose to 197-pound Leon Spinks — who he had 26 pounds on?

Posted October 28, 2013 3:30 pm 


Fraud Mayweather always stacks things in his favour, he’s a con artist, and a cherry picker! He’s NEVER fought outside of the USA, great champions, fight on foreign shores, they travel the world, taking on the best, putting their abilities to the test against the most dangerous opponents in their prime. Sugar Ray Robinson would have destroyed Fraud, so would Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns and Sweet P Whittaker, and Aaron Pryor, and Charley Burley and Henry Armstrong and Joe Walcott and at 140 Julio Ceasar Chavez Sr. Now Fraud Mayweather will spend the rest of his very short fake career ducking GGG at 154 wait and see, the only people who think differently are those he’s conned. He doesn’t even deserve to be in the top 100 all time greats. He’s a fraud and a ducker and a cherry picker. No where near a great.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:25 pm 


whats next the k bros best ever heavies total sh#t.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:22 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

short answer: yes
long answer: yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Posted October 28, 2013 3:18 pm 


PEEBRAIN shut the fook up!! Stop leaving comments here you idiot.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:09 pm 


I was under the impression that when you use VADA their is no cut off date

Posted October 28, 2013 3:03 pm 


Don’t see how he is a known ducker. Check his resume and look at all the titlest and champs along with HOF fighters on his resume.

Posted October 28, 2013 3:03 pm 


nope. just great for his era. known ducker. undefeated just like calzage. just a burp on the all time list.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:53 pm 


@PEEJ Pac is taking the test against a fighter under Top Rank. Did you notice no details about the cutoff have been given. Why is he testing against Rios of all people? It’s a publicity stunt plain and simple.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:51 pm 



Posted October 28, 2013 2:49 pm 


He’s a VERY good boxer that’s beyond dispute but he doesn’t stack up against the true greats. PBF like SRL in his second career had to have everything stacked in his favour in order for him to fight his opponents. Both Castillo and De La Hoya beat him!

Posted October 28, 2013 2:47 pm 

Get real

T-Unit Oscar was not winning that fight in the begging, he was not landing any meaningful shots. The Oscar fight was in the same BS scoring as the Canello fight.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:43 pm 


Yes Floyd is a great fighter. People keep saying he ducked Pac but yet can’t really prove it. They say he ran and made excuses. The only excuse was the drug test that Pac so dearly did not want to take and came up with many excuses on why not to. That is the only demand Floyd has asked for. So how come there is no out cry to make Pac take that test, the same test he is so willingly to take now

Posted October 28, 2013 2:41 pm 

T unit

Does the writer know that Oscar was beating him until he took the last round off as always.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:40 pm 


Ray Leonard ducked Aaron Pryor and nobody says anything about his greatness ???????

Posted October 28, 2013 2:24 pm 


No. Little Floyd has been running from Pacquiao for 4 years. Great boxers do not run from other fighters in their weight class.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:22 pm 


Is Floyd Mayweather One of the Greatest Boxers of All Time?


But he is the greatest con artist and cherry picker.

Posted October 28, 2013 2:21 pm 

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