George Foreman had a good head for the business full stop!
Even Wilder has more rounds than Price.. Price lacks rounds, skills, speed, and he’s too clunky.. Thompson would be an excellent fight for Wilder, because Thompson beat Price twice, and went 12 rounds with Pulev. It would give Deontay differentiation from Price and Pulev.
It was a brain-dead decision to put Price right back in with Thompson without taking several developmental fights in between.
George Foreman had a good head for the business side of Boxing, “No way. I never re-matched anybody who beat me. Why fight somebody who already knows he can beat you?”Posted September 30, 2013 2:56 pm
Typo: that should read MENTAL confidence.Posted September 30, 2013 1:40 pm
AnonyMouse Wilder has a lot more power than Scott, Wilder has a lot more speed than Bruno & Wilder has a lot more metal confidence than Price.Posted September 30, 2013 1:39 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Anonymous = Phat Phingered Phuk Phrom Phoenix…Posted September 30, 2013 12:26 pm
Ernie, flake off to some other site with your pathetic crap.Posted September 30, 2013 1:48 am
It’s Me, Ernie
it*Posted September 29, 2013 4:33 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Well judging by your lack of an answer Turd, it’s must just be another lie. I’ll bet you threw for three touchdowns in one game back in high school too, idiot…Posted September 29, 2013 4:32 pm
“WHO ELSE HAS EVER STARTED THIS WAY AS A HEAVYWEIGHT? 30-0 IS STILL ATTENTION-GETTING EVEN IF YOUR OPPONENTS COME FROM SKID ROW.” Brian Nielsen. Remember him? Got to 48-0 smashing bums and has-beens, got KTFO in his 49th fight as he was trying to “break” Marciano’s record. Never got a title shot and most have long forgotten him by now. Sound familiar?Posted September 29, 2013 2:22 am
Idiot Ernie.., You need to show me a birth cirtificate to prove you’re not a dog turd — which I’m almost certain you are.Posted September 29, 2013 1:46 am
It’s Me, Ernie
“I was never a matchmaker, but I did make a lot of calls and put a few fights together when guys were on the shelf and not getting fights”said Tard.
Any names or is this just another lie so you can kick it with us?…Posted September 28, 2013 9:33 pm
I think they found a reasonable opponent who was willing to fight and closed the deal… They waited on Arreola and that didn’t pay off… They probably talked to 20 prospective opponents or their managers. They don’t want to sit around because they can’t get a perfect opponent.Posted September 28, 2013 7:18 pm
Strange choice of opponent from Golden Boy, it’s a no win fight for Wilder, If he destroys Firtha quickly, he’ll get no praise, if he struggles or dare I say it loses to Firtha then Wilder’s stock will tumble.Posted September 28, 2013 5:28 pm
Seth Mitchell should never have been ranked number 2.
Wilder going no were fast fury’s progress makes him look. Limited to say the leastPosted September 28, 2013 5:05 pm
KL: Don’t ask me, I have nothing to do with the WBC.Posted September 28, 2013 4:39 pm
How about Wilder versus Tony “The Tiger” Thompson ? Sounds like a good fight for both fighters at this point.Posted September 28, 2013 4:31 pm
Perfect opponent for Deontay Wilder is David Rudreguez 34-0 33 ko, and 24 first round Kos. Booth have been feed a diet of junk heavyweights. The winner gets to fight a real heavyweight.Posted September 28, 2013 4:25 pm
RUFFKNIGHT If Mitchell was rated no.2 then who did he beat to get there?
If rankings don’t have K’s in 1 and 2, followed by David Haye, I don’t agree with them.Posted September 28, 2013 2:16 pm
That shows what rankings are.., Ranking are CRAP… Jonathan Banks was ranked 2 by one org.. And nowhere by the others.. I don’t see any good or consistent rankings by anybody … They’re all bonkers.Posted September 28, 2013 1:22 pm
Mitchell WAS #2 and Chris was #3. So now we will probably see a rematch between Stiverne and Arreola for the vacated crown seeing how Vitali may retire and run for president in the Ukraine.Posted September 28, 2013 1:10 pm
Jim, I never rated Mitchell much, and could see that his defensive skills, or lack of them would be his undoing.
Jackson you say”arreola was a ridiculous request, he is ranked number 2″————I guess that’s why Arreolla agreed to fight Mitchell then???
I think you should grow a brain.Posted September 28, 2013 12:36 pm
I was never a matchmaker, but I did make a lot of calls and put a few fights together when guys were on the shelf and not getting fights. You do what you have to do. A few ambitious boxers make some of their own fights, and turn them over to the matchmaker or promoter.
The hardest guy to get the right fights for is a dangerous, skilled, tremendous puncher with quick hand and feet … if he’s not ranked.
Why would a highly ranked fighter take a chance fighting a dangerous opponent who’s not accomplished? Only one reason: MONEY!
Goldenboy has to stick some out there and maybe take a loss on a fight.Posted September 28, 2013 11:37 am
OH…. they told me I should slow down and they put it in anyway, that’s the reason for the echo.Posted September 28, 2013 10:18 am
Mac Foster was a bit like Wilder with his 24-0(24) before being derailed.Posted September 28, 2013 10:16 am
Well Mac Foster went 24(24)-0 until Quarry derailed him, a bit sooner than Wilder.Posted September 28, 2013 10:14 am
KL , DON’T REALLY KNOW, BUT WHO ELSE HAS EVER STARTED THIS WAY AS A HEAVYWEIGHT? 30-0 IS STILL ATTENTION-GETTING EVEN IF YOUR OPPONENTS COME FROM SKID ROW .Posted September 28, 2013 9:46 am
As soon as Wilder steps up—-BOOM!!! Down he goes—-just like Seth Mitchell. For all of the Wilder believers out there—–SAVE THIS POST.Posted September 28, 2013 9:10 am
Wilder still managed to reach #3 wbc, #6 wba, #12 ibf, #6 wbo in spite of being just a lightweight-heavyweight so far.Posted September 28, 2013 6:39 am
Hilarious article LOLPosted September 28, 2013 5:33 am
Boxrec is in now way perfect, no, but it is at least based on a consistent formula and not the vague whims of the governing bodies.
There are 25 people on that list. I`ve deliberately left out the top 10 on the basis that they either have or can make more money elsewhere, and advance their careers with other bouts than Wilder.
Not many of those names will make big money in their next fights, not many could really be considered in line for a title shot given that Vitali has one belt held hostage and Wlad holds the rest and can only fight a limited number of times per year.
Most would love to be shown on US TV.
They are all realistic fights – but you never hear Wilder call those guys out. He calls out people like Fury or Arreola who have already positioned themselves for bigger paydays without having to face WIlder.
He isn`t worth the risk to them, but he is more than worth the risk to a lot of others.
If GBP can`t get him something better than the remains of Audley Harrison and Liakhovich in 30 fights that is just utterly pathetic.Posted September 28, 2013 3:50 am
Wilder can do better than this. I think GBP is being too cautious about putting him with a live underdog or a better opposition for the fear of him being exposed for his weaknesses. IF I could guess, I think it’s his chin and stamina. Wilder it’s time to step up!!!Posted September 28, 2013 3:30 am
Hamster.., Boxrec is not a good rater of boxers.. They are also not matchmakers.. You DON’T know who would accept a fight with Wilder and who wouldn’t. You are not somebody trying to find somebody willing to share a ring with him. You’re not on that phone.
Arreola is ranked higher than anyone on your list.
Chris turned Deontay down cold — and it’s a big money fight. It’s not a happy prospect facing a quick smashing bomber like Wilder if you’re any member of your list — because they can’t be offered the same money Chris Arreola could make. They’re going to look for somebody less dangerous to fight. It’s going to be a slow process for Wilder — like a short seller waiting for the next stock market crash. It’s going to come, but you don’t know when.Posted September 28, 2013 1:22 am
arreola was a ridiculous request, he is ranked number 2….i cant believe it was a serious offer. the fact that wilder is chasing the 42 year old vitali rather than vladimir says it all….Posted September 27, 2013 11:56 pm
chisora still wants to fight him. solis called him out. he would be better off staying at home than taking this meaningless sparring session for public consumption. wilder should be embarassed. he needs to crack the top 40…which he has not done yet. even a b level fight would be a step up….maybe he can get a fight with joe frazier, oh wait, too late. maybe ali then…Posted September 27, 2013 11:52 pm
Here’s Boxrec no’s 11-35.
This is the level of guy Wilder should be chasing:
11 Tony Thompson 371 38(26)-4(2)-0
Kid Blast I’m not sure if the 30 KO is a target or reason why Wilder takes on Firtha…….although there would be plenty of other candidates who would be easier KO targets than Firtha if that truly were the driver. I suspect that 2014 will be the year when Wilder is matched up with some good names and if he gets by them impressively then 2015 would be the target for a title shot.Posted September 27, 2013 9:04 pm
dwc Tony Thompson managed to get a title eliminater bout with Pulev off his victories over Price, whom you could also make the case who did he beat. So there is still value in beating “prospects” even if those prospects haven’t beaten anyone special.Even Fraudley thought that if he beat Price or Wilder then he would get back into contention (although Fraudley never was in contention in the first place!).Posted September 27, 2013 8:51 pm
Arreola would be interesting for as long as it lasted.Posted September 27, 2013 8:35 pm
He would KO in the first round. Mago has no defense and is chinny.Posted September 27, 2013 8:34 pm
Like I said, he wants to get to 30-0 with 30 KO’s. Then it’s coming out time. This guy once beat Tony Grano but he will still b decapitated in the first round.
Not sure what the KO string record is but he has to be pretty close. Probably it’s Lamar Clark but he was fighting opponents that made Wilder’s look like Hall of Famers. Think Clark had 43 in a row after winning his first fight on points. Just about all of his victims were taken off the street. Firs time he fought a live body he got clocked.Posted September 27, 2013 8:31 pm
Anonymouse, let’s assume Wilder did fight either Wach or Larsen, and scored a Ko victory over them……..would you give Wilder props……or would you claim that they must have suddenly been “shot to pieces” just prior to stepping in the ring with Wilder.Posted September 27, 2013 8:28 pm
Fight Aficianado, you make a fair point about the Chisora fight.
“Obviously you know Wilder’s team tried to put together fights with both Arreola and Chisora.” – Actually Chisora wanted that fight and if it happened I’d give both of them props. But then Wilder got arrested for domestic assault and they took his passport. That’s no longer an issue and he’s been sparring in England with Haye. So why after all this did he go for Firtha?Posted September 27, 2013 7:49 pm
“Fight Aficionado…, Let us know one valid heavyweight contender who wants to mix with Wilder.” – That’s what they all say. He’s a GBP fighter with access to Showtime paydays. You can claim others are ducking him but fact remains until Wilder faces a viable top 20 opponent he’s full of hot air.Posted September 27, 2013 7:40 pm
Wilder should be going off with Magomed, or some one like that. 21-10-1 Firtha….WTF……Wilder is not stepping up but down. Arreola will Knock him out. Arreola is tough and will fight anybody, anybody,…I like him as a HW.Posted September 27, 2013 7:30 pm
slide*Posted September 27, 2013 6:43 pm
KL…The reason Im thinking Firtha is more shot is because he lost a dec. after Fury stopped him…which isnt the end of the world.But then after back to back loses he fights Hawkins whos 23-21 in a 6 rounder and only wins a MD. So this looks like hes more on the slid then getting better…and now Wilder wants him.You make a fair point about if someone beats Wilder they will get more ink then if they beat Browne or Towers say.But ofcourse when you read most of the comments from fight fans…many will just say the guy just really beat a hype job..no one special.Its abit of a double edged sword.Im still sticking to my guns that if team Wilder wants some of the top guys and bring a good contract to the table…they will get them…lets see.Posted September 27, 2013 6:42 pm
30th fight and it’s against Firtha??Somebodys hiding something….Posted September 27, 2013 6:18 pm
Dwc, as regards to your second point about other guys like Mago, Browne,Solis, Towers not being called out………this is true, but the first boxer that manages to beat Wilder or even just survive to the final bell against Wilder, will get much more exposure than if someone beat Browne, Solis Towers or Mago. So Wilder right now would be a prime target for upcoming heavyweight who wants to get his name up there in the mix……hell I suspect a good win against Wilder would put Price firmly back on the trail.Posted September 27, 2013 6:15 pm
dwc, I agree that if Wilder blasts out Firtha in one round that doesn’t mean he will beat Fury, as you say Fury may have improved since he fought Firtha. Not so convinced however about Firtha now being a more shot fighter since he met Fury…..for all we know Firtha may have learnt from his experience with Tyson Fury and bring a “better” version of Firtha to the table against Wilder. That said Firtha would now be a common opponent with 2 top ten fighters Fury & Povetkin. Now I’m sure if Wilder does worse against Firtha than Fury and Povertkin did then this would quickly seized upon by Wilders doubters………but if Wilder does significantly better than Fury or Povetkin then somehow the result holds no significance?
Obviously you know Wilder’s team tried to put together fights with both Arreola and Chisora.Posted September 27, 2013 6:00 pm
Fight Aficionado…, Let us know one valid heavyweight contender who wants to mix with Wilder.Posted September 27, 2013 5:58 pm
First off, top rated guys DON’T NEED Wilder. Wilder needs them. Wilder needs to beat a top twenty five guy, and not a whos who of the bums or has beens. This fight is another joke, set up by over-protective managers.Posted September 27, 2013 5:49 pm
What is the value of KO #30 if it’s exclusively against punching bags, drunken bums and a couple burned out names? Stop talking start doing. Wilder’s technique hasn’t improved since his early pro days, he’s almost exactly the same as he was only with 10 lbs of added muscle. Smacking down these opponents is not giving him the skills he will need when (if?) he faces top 10 comp.Posted September 27, 2013 5:27 pm
K.L….Hello…I really dont think if Wilder k.o. Firtha in 1rd it still means he would beat Fury.Because Fury is better now and still getting better,Firtha is also more shot now.Lets not forget Price was taking guys like this out very fast aswell.Now I know you said Wilder seems to have a better mind set then Price…agree.But could Wilder have other issues that we arent seeing because of the fighters hes facing?Some said where are the hvwts calling out Wilder??Well where were the hvwts calling out Mago before Perez..Browne..Solis..hard hitting Towers..even these limited fighters people arent calling(Solis not really limited)alot of fighters overall arent being called out.And what does Wilders people bring to the table..big money..belts..maybe they offer some top guys peanuts with the shells still on them…and then say see nobody wants my guy.I belive if he and his team wants top guys they could get them…lets see.Posted September 27, 2013 5:07 pm
Most of us know you’re a douchebag … Idiot ErniePosted September 27, 2013 5:00 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
I see the Tard is defending Klit AGAIN by saying he had more homework to do after his beatings, but most of us know he is damn lucky to be active in this era…Posted September 27, 2013 4:41 pm
I meant “about WILDER”…..not Firtha.Posted September 27, 2013 4:04 pm
Fight Aficianado, like I said before, after the appealing match up between Wilder vs Arreola became dead in the water, an opponent like Firtha is a massive come down, but it’s not now whether Wilder wins this fight, but more whether Wilder can look more impressive than Fury & Povetkin against Firtha. So whilst I agree Firtha probably isn’t good enough to tell us much more than we already know about Firtha, it will however potential tell us how Wilder matches up against someone like Fury (I.e will Wilder have more or less potential than Fury)Posted September 27, 2013 4:02 pm
“this guy talks a lot of crap and fights a load of bums.” – Cosign. Longtime ESB readers may or may not recall I was on Wilder’s bandwagon since the 2008 Olympics and his early pro bouts. I fell off a couple years ago due to ludicrous cherry picking. Now he’s on standby until he faces someone who represents just a tiny risk or increase in competition.Posted September 27, 2013 3:47 pm
Told y’all he was fighting Firtha, another no-hoper. Since Wilder has a growing base of knob slobbering fans who claim he’s the truth at heavyweight, please tell us how beating Firtha furthers his cause. Also let us know one valid contender he’s beaten to verify your claims.Posted September 27, 2013 3:44 pm
KL.., I agree. There’s no perfect career path.
Mike Tyson was Heavyweight Champion at 20. Walcott got there at 37. Wladimir got there fairly early—but ran into trouble—and obviously had a lot more homework to do to be a finished boxer. Now he’s an old veteran Heavyweight Champion. Wilder hasn’t face anyone of note but would have faced Chisora if the fight hadn’t been derailed.
They need to fight somebody. They would rather be fighting Arreloa. But they will keep Wilder busy with the best willing opponent for now. That’s what matchmaking is all about.
Don’t put your guy on the shelf for 2 years because nobody will fight him.Posted September 27, 2013 3:26 pm
“where are the HW calling Wilder out?”…yeah, where are they?Posted September 27, 2013 3:08 pm
Tark, I see many people argue that Wilder should be fighting better guys because Fury fought Firtha when he was 23 and Wilder is 27, but I think that is a false comparison as every fighter peaks at different ages……there is no “peak age” that applies to every boxer.
At 210 pounds in the 1950’s Sonny Liston was a giant… Everybody avoided him and Patterson ducked him for 5 or 6 years. It’s not like top boxers were lining up to fight Liston. But some eventually did.
Eventually Wilder will get fights… and he’ll get his shot… He has to checkmate people so they can’t duck him anymore … or lay a lot more money out there.
Big risk??? … Gimme money.Posted September 27, 2013 2:29 pm
dwc, Wilder wanted Arreola next so did De la Hoya & Schaefer, so obviously Firtha is a disappointing opponent.
100% agreed Philly Shell. No one is calling him out…apparently that KO ratio against “bums” has some other boxers quiet. Wilder’s test will be coming soon and a lot of answers should be known within a year….I hope at least.Posted September 27, 2013 2:23 pm
Killing Moon The Soothsayer
Words mean absolutely nothing if you don’t act on them….This is a joke fight….The only thing i’m curious concerning Wilder is what his weakness is….Because his handlers are sure as hell not taking any chances….Im guessing chin or stamina-issues..Or both..Posted September 27, 2013 2:01 pm
Its Karo Murat not Furat,get ur facts and spelling correct Mr.Collins please.Posted September 27, 2013 1:31 pm
the alabama jackass feeding on tyson fury leftoversPosted September 27, 2013 1:31 pm
I’d like to see Fury vs. Wilder. My money would be on Tyson Fury. I doubt Wilder would take such a risky fight.Posted September 27, 2013 1:00 pm
To his credit, he has been calling out the top guys but i dont understand why they are taking these top fights. he’s actually losing big money by not fighting better guys.Posted September 27, 2013 12:56 pm
this guy talks a lot of crap and fights a load of bums.Posted September 27, 2013 12:36 pm
I saw some of his sparring with Haye and he looked wild and at times like a amature.I dont buy that crap aswell that nobody whos a top guy will not get in the ring with him.Every big puncher through out boxing history found fights coming up..Foreman,Liston.Shavers,Morrison.This guy isnt every great boxer,puncher,rolled into one that every fighter fears…bull.Let his team come to the table with a fair deal against a world ranked fighter who isnt already in contract or who hasnt been out hurt for a long time…and fights will happen.His team knows hes limted and sees some short comings,otherwise this would not be happening,the way his career is unfolding.If the guy becomes a world champ Ill eat my words…but untill he steps up..hes a phoney,that dosent deserve the ink.Posted September 27, 2013 12:35 pm
Yeah, I was expecting someone else. A bit of a let down. Eventually Deontay will face someone tougher so unless they face him against some lackluster opponents to get him his 50 KOs I don’t know that he’ll break the record anytime soon.
There have to be guys he could’ve fought that would be a step up in some way. I know people’s patience just wore out on Deontay.Posted September 27, 2013 12:19 pm
Bring the beast from the east out of the boonies. Wilder be the first to KO Valuev. Valuev is only 40.Posted September 27, 2013 12:18 pm
C’mon Goldenboy, stop insulting fans intelligence and put this guy in with a live opponent for once, this fight is a step or two down from Liakhovich who Wilder knocked out in one. How can fans get excited when the fight is a foregone conclusion?
Wilder needs to start demanding better opposition that will make REAL fans sit up and notice.Posted September 27, 2013 12:14 pm
???????Posted September 27, 2013 12:13 pm
Wow taking a very risky fight, 25% ko percentage lost 3 of his last 5 fights, ranked 28 in the US, 85 in the world. Nicolai Firtha resume make Lahovich look world class. His handlers must know something us boxing fans don’t know. Since after 30fights sill fights fighters that arent event ranked in the top 50,fringe contenders.Posted September 27, 2013 11:56 am
The most obvious fight for Deontay is Chris Arrreola. Hopefully that will happen in early 2014. If Vit retires, the winner of Arreola-Wilder needs to fight Stiverne. If Vit dosn’t retire, Vit needs to fight Stiverne with the winner facing the winner of Arreola-Wilder. Arreola seems to be ducking Wilder and demanding a title shot ! Why should Chris get a title shot when he’s only on a one-fight win streak ?Posted September 27, 2013 11:51 am
MUST BE A JOKE. I AM LOSING RESPECT FOR THIS GUY!!!Posted September 27, 2013 11:46 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Not Kara Furat, Karo Murat. Besides, even if Wilder does reach 50-0-0-0 (50 KO), true fans will see him for what he is. A guy who only fights fighters who have very little chance to beat him. I hope Wilder does get a fight against Wladimir or Vitali in 2014, then he will be badly beaten. By KO, most probably.Posted September 27, 2013 11:41 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Wilder looks like Duane Bobick to me. He compiles a superficially impressive record against low-level opponents… until the day in which he faces a good opponent. Then he is beaten, and badly so. Bobick suffered his first defeat in the hands and gloves of Ken Norton, via TKO in the first round, after just 58 seconds. If Wilder does get a fight against one of the Klitschko Brothers (Wladimir in particular) I believe he will suffer a humiliating defeat. Wilder should fight better opponents than Firtha by this stage. He has been a professional for nearly 5 years now. I believe he will beat Firtha and get his 30th victory and 30th knockout. If Wilder truly wants a fight against Wlad, he should fight opponents of a higher level. Until then, my opinion of him is this: A fighter with a superficially impressive record, protected and unworthy of a title shot. Have a nice day, people.Posted September 27, 2013 11:37 am
Tyson Fury took care of this guy a few years ago. Deontay Wilder is curiously protected for a 6’7″ Olympic bronze medallist who turned pro 4/5 years ago. Firtha would be acceptable if Wilder was 15-0, 16-0, a year or two back, not for a overly-hyped ‘contender’ whom this Collins fella is always crowing about.Posted September 27, 2013 11:15 am
Firtha is 21-10 and may be looking for KO loss #11.Posted September 27, 2013 11:00 am
This article is disgraceful.Posted September 27, 2013 10:51 am
I see Wilder is still at the “puppy-feeding” stage. Still not buying into the hype until we see a consistent improvement in opponent quality.Posted September 27, 2013 10:29 am
Wilder breaking any record will not count so it dont matter. I can run faster than anyone in my neighborhood and make myself a Gold metal and walk around and tell everyone I won Gold but I will just get laugf at, just as wilder will breaking a record against bums.Posted September 27, 2013 10:16 am
Only Collins could write crap like describing Firtha , with 21 fights ; TEN losses
Wilder is a jokePosted September 27, 2013 10:09 am
I don’t see anything wrong with this fight.Firtha is not much of a danger to Wilder but he is rugged and will give Deontay a good workout for as long as it lasts.It is all about gaining experience for Wilder at this point.The more variety of styles that he can see the better.He is very young and has lots of time to prove himself against top fighters later.Posted September 27, 2013 9:55 am
To the “writer,”
I hope you got paid by Golden Boy Productions to pen this puff piece. It truly is an awful article.Posted September 27, 2013 9:53 am
Stay-busy fights are for older, veteran fighters who have actually accomplished something. They aren’t fro up-and-comers who have had 29 fights. These kinds of bouts might pad his wallet, but they damage his credibility as a possible contender.Posted September 27, 2013 9:48 am
I’ve heard of caution being the better part of valor, but this is ridiculous. This guy need to step up, and now.Posted September 27, 2013 9:45 am
Wilders record is a joke. I’ll be impressed with his KO rate when he’s KOing guys who live fighters. Until then, he is fooling no one.Posted September 27, 2013 9:42 am
HE IS JUST A GLORIFIED SPARRING PARTNER.Posted September 27, 2013 9:39 am