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Why are all these guys such Sore Losers? Why can’t they ever accept a loss in a gracious honorable manner?? When Young Green Danny Garcia beat Eric Morales in convincing fashion.. Eric Morales would not even shake the hands of Garcia who was trying to thank Morales for a great fight.. Cheaters are usually Sore losers.. …. and Sore Losers will usually resort to Cheating in order to win… it’s that low life Mindset

Posted September 19, 2012 9:51 am 

MNboxingFAN – Sean

Chavez Jr. didn’t win anything… except some respect for being tough and never giving up. Martinez made him look like an amatuer. Chavez Jr. is just luck Martinez doesn’t hit harder and that he broke his hand in the 4th. If not Chavez Jr. might never have seen the last round!

Posted September 19, 2012 8:50 am 


I do think Chavez was behind. I know the official judges had him trailing on 2 of 3 cards. Some of the same HBO crew made you believe that Pacquiao was way ahead of Bradley. That was a fight that could have gone either way also.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:31 am 

Kid Blast


Posted September 19, 2012 8:30 am 

Kid Blast

Mostly because tumbo like him. :mrgreen:

Posted September 19, 2012 8:29 am 

Kid Blast

Good point

Posted September 19, 2012 8:28 am 

Kid Blast

You forget about Canelo.

Posted September 19, 2012 8:27 am 


where’s the articles about how Martinez took Chavez to school for 11 rounds and was able to last the 12tth round after being rocked by JCC who I believe was 30lbs heavier than Martinez.

Posted September 19, 2012 3:25 am 

M. Mendoza

Martinez was severely injured in his left hand which seriously compromised him from round 4 on. He fought back every step of the way. He won. That’s it. Anything else about what Chavez could have — almost had — almost did — is all wishful speculation designed to discredit Martinez’s victory. Chavez did the very best he could but it wasn’t good enough. At the end of the day, he came up short.

Posted September 19, 2012 1:31 am 


Two words, Broken hand…

Posted September 19, 2012 1:14 am 


Can you see how when we talking about boxing facts we dont find responses.We all know that chavez is not a great fighter even a complete time fighter. Chavez is more like a boxing fan. Despite that he get into the ring showing brave and toughness even more than others real professionals. This bunch can not accept that. They just want believe that willing and endurance come only with poverty and hungry, at least in latin america countries. That the real bitterness. They like more the Antonio de Marco histories types.

Posted September 18, 2012 11:50 pm 


please… note… Who is the attention focus?? Just take a look over comments quantity headlined by Martinez name. Now watch over Chavez Jr. headlines. How many mexicans over here? If Martinez is so great and chavez is so trash, Why dont you worry about Martinez? Ok.
The weight issue. Past days there are several fighters that even worry about to make the class weight limit. One p4p and a raising star (the imitation). Both got victorious. No complains. Chavez made the limit, none rule was broken, there is not rule about rehydratation, even, before chavez jr. times. But all of you follow with the same speech “is a cruise weight!!”.So… What a bitterness, Martinez could not stop Chavez Jr. Martinez went to the canvas. damn it.

Posted September 18, 2012 11:21 pm 

te tumbo

Junior won the final and best round of the entire fight. perfect timing to make a lasting impression. you spoiled-sports need to stop all your pissin and moaning and allow the rest of us to enjoy recalling the sound of all your jaws and hearts hitting the floor just one moment before Martinez literally hit the canvas . . . (lol) . . . :twisted:

Posted September 18, 2012 9:59 pm 

Kid Blast

Mikey Garcia, Rios, Santa Cruz, and many others are on the way. Sanat Cruz is an incredible body puncher.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:39 pm 

Kid Blast

GGG is the future

Posted September 18, 2012 8:38 pm 

te tumbo

“TOO MUCH MESCAL”? (ugh) you’re so square and out of touch, even your stereotypes reek of spaghetti western. “U need to learn urself better. so get’er done!”

Posted September 18, 2012 8:28 pm 


If he won the fight in one round- well he be champ , but NOT–

Posted September 18, 2012 7:57 pm 

Kid Blast

10 rounds x 10 = 100
10 rounds x 9 = 90

1 round x 10 = 10
1 round x 8 = 8


Martinez = 118
Chavez = 109

Stanley Christodoulou 117-110 | judge: Adalaide Byrd 118-109 | judge: Dave Moretti 118-109

Even Stevie Wonder saw this.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:43 pm 

Kid Blast


Posted September 18, 2012 7:29 pm 

Kid Blast


Posted September 18, 2012 7:28 pm 

Kid Blast

This article has the most bogus title of the year. It will win my award for that. The award is being thrown off the bar (as opposed to out of the bar). Lawyers need to vanish from ESB ASAP!!!!!!!!!! :evil:

Posted September 18, 2012 7:27 pm 

Kid Blast

Meant for WTF?

Posted September 18, 2012 7:24 pm 

Kid Blast

Yes he did

Posted September 18, 2012 7:23 pm 

te tumbo

in retrospect. otherwise, the live broacast and commentating had Chavez Sr. losing in a shutout. i know. i watched it live and was cussing-out HBO’s shills as early as the 5th round and ain’t nothing changed but the time and the weather.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:19 pm 

te tumbo

Nice post ZURDO.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:17 pm 

te tumbo

Martinez smartly grabbed for Chavez Jr. on his way down. without the ropes or Chavez Jr., Martinez drops cleanly to the canvas.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:07 pm 

te tumbo

not undisputed light-heavyweight champion Chad Dawson.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:05 pm 

te tumbo

did anyone catch another Puerto Rican’t “legend” quit on his stool last Saturday night? i almost feel bad for running Public Enema off of these threads with my boxing knowledge. it’s no fun noting the dwindling PR profile in boxing without rubbing it in his Borican’t mug . . . :twisted:

Posted September 18, 2012 7:04 pm 

te tumbo

Junior didn’t really have to absorb “punches” per se. contrary to his pre-fight threats and posturing, Martinez brilliantly executed a pot-shotting fight-plan featuring a lot of jabs and straight shots to the body and head. i don’t think i saw Martinez load-up even once like he did several times v. Williams. IMO, one thing Chavez Jr. did do effectively throughout the bout was block and deflect a lot of Sergio’s punches. i don’t recall many if any powershots landing on Junior cleanly, if at all. after all, considering Martinez’s boxing prowess, you would expect a lot more damage than a bloody nose and swollen eyebrows after being targeted by 900+ punches.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:00 pm 


Chavez refused to step onto the scales the day after the official weigh in….he also arranged to have a smaller boxing ring so that Martinez couldn’t “dance” around the entire fight….Now for a rematch Chavez wants to go to Texas where he has a HUGE fanbase and has homefield advantage. How about giving the Champ(Martinez) his due respect and give him every he wants if a rematch is to happen…. 1) How about a rematch in Argentina for starters 2) same day weigh in 3) drug test pre and post match (watch out for that water bottle filled with speed) Chavez may bring in bigger crowds but he sure is NOT the better fighter.

Posted September 18, 2012 6:47 pm 


Chavez’s ability to absorb punches reminds me of a bigger, taller Jake LaMotta.. LaMotta was a plodding face first fighter who absorbed punches endlessly. He won the title because middleweight champion Marcel Cerdan injured his left shoulder and had to quit.. In a title defense, LaMotta was gettng badly hammered by journeyman Laurent Dauthuille for 14 rounds. LaMotta was a certain loser on all scorecards, but the challenger finally grew weary of punching LaMotta and was stopped with 10 seconds to go in the 15th.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:11 pm 


Is this article serious. How did the fans win? A compeltely lopsided victory and a one sided beating. If Chavez didn’t have that name Martinez would have been accused of cherry picking an easy fight. THe only way the fans won is that they were proven right in that Chavez is not a good boxer and is nowhere near world class. Can’t believe the crap HBO coverage aswell. Commentators talking about anything but the fight that was happening (chavez vs taylor etc. etc.) and then being drawn into the absurd suggestions of a rematch. Absolutely amateurish unrealistic punditry.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:10 pm 


Atleast the world got to see first hand on live TV that Chavez Jr. is nothing more then another head first Plodder with little to no Boxing Skills.. Basically another Angulo with a Famous Daddy and a Godfather Sulaiman giving him Belts for Christmas.. Atleast we now all know he will never ever be anything Great in Boxing.. next up will be Canelo.. Maybe Martinez can do us all a favor and flush that turd down the Toilet as well….

Posted September 18, 2012 1:22 pm 

Te tumbo

Dude, with a comment like that, you should be banned from commenting at all.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:10 pm 


marquez pac was fairly even, not a one sided ass kicking. for me, the fact that Chavez comes in at 185 pounds but fights at middleweight is the reason i don’t respect that knockdown. he’s fighting a much older, much smaller guy and gets lucky. Any light heavyweight or cruiserweight can knock down a middleweight with a lucky punch.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:30 pm 


Thats how HBO/HBO judges/HBO Commentators favored Pedsquiao over Marquez becaused of the ONE FLASHED KO’S, why not favor Chavez for that BRUTAL MAULING KO.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:26 pm 


It’s called a lucky punch. Chavez outweighed him by 20 pounds at least. he doesn’t deserve a rematch, anyone can get their ass kicked for 11 rounds and land a lucky punch. Chavez needs to move up to 168, fight Ward, Froch, any of those guys, who i think will beat him easily. Chavez wins because he can dehydrate himself to make weight and gain 25 pounds overnight, a useful skill for a boxer but he takes it to the extreme.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:25 pm 


Why are they “haters?” Because they root for the other guy? You kidding?

Posted September 18, 2012 10:47 am 


te tumbo, he threw (or pushed) Martinez down. He didn’t “drop” him.

Posted September 18, 2012 10:46 am 


and Fernando LardASS..

Posted September 18, 2012 10:16 am 


Typical Tumbo reactions to one of his boxers getting their Asses Waxed… Name Calling Race baiting etc etc etc.. He did the same when Tito Trinidad ended Vargas Career and sent Delahoya on a Career Death Spiral after Delahoya Ran for his life.. but in that fight according to Dumbo, Running away from Tito Trinidad was totally legit.. but Martinez could not move around in this fight vfs Cheating Chicken Jr?? ROFLMAO the Hypocracy is unbelieveable…

Posted September 18, 2012 10:15 am 


You no nothing about boxing, and have no class.

Posted September 18, 2012 9:49 am 


Chavez-Taylor was a close fight. This one was not.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:58 am 


I’m pretty sure Williams beat Martinez. Just saying.

Posted September 18, 2012 8:31 am 


GGG is there waiting for Martinez, he wants to do re-runs and make Bob Arum richer. Martinez you not that smart. Beg Floyd for a fight. You’ll be paid much better without catchweights and no risk in fighing a juiced up goof ball who weighs at 200lbs come fight night. To top it all in Texas. Martinez you are not smart at all including your advisers.

Posted September 18, 2012 7:55 am 


If it wasn’t for that Bernard Hopkins type Chest shove by Chicken Jr., Martinez wouldn’t have fallen and wouldn’t have torn the ligaments in his knee…. if there’s a rematch Martinez will once again make Cheating Chicken Jr..suffer badly… Viva Argentina!!

Posted September 18, 2012 7:46 am 


Even after Cartel Death Threats, Criminials Vandalizing his Home, a 20+ weight disadvantage, a Broken Hand Martinez still went out there and gave Chicken Jr. the worst beating of his Bogus Career in front of Chicken Jr’s befuddled Groupie crowd……. Chavez Sr. looked like he was having a seizure…

Posted September 18, 2012 7:43 am 


This Hyped Turkey was exposed as nothing more then the typical head first Plodder with Zero Boxing Skills.. Martinez beat him badly for 11 1/2 rounds.. one handed, and the 180+lb Chicken Jr. after hurting the smaller Tired Martinez with over 1 minute left in the Round couldn’t take him out.. Instead a Hobbled Martinez gets up and continues to Box the Plodding Neanderthals Ears off for the rest of that Round.. ROFLMAO.. it was a humiliating night for Chicken Jr… Hopefuly they make the rematch because the World would love nothing more then to see this hyped up Bum get beaten again for 12 rounds… Maybe then Chicken Jr. will grow a set of Balls and move to fight guys his size like Cruiserweight Francisco Palacios or Walzik…. Now they want to blame Roach for Chicken Jr’s dismal showing???

Posted September 18, 2012 7:41 am 


and no matter how often they get caught cheating.. eg.. MargaCheato, Salido, Chicken Jr. :wink:

Posted September 18, 2012 7:07 am 

The Mad Scientist

Slappyboy is just mad because his idol only fights once a year if at all and the other fighters he roots for don’t get celebrated or talked about all that much regardless of how great or skilled..Slappy even went as far as to compare mexican fight fans (the fanbase who keep this sport alive on a consistant basis, who create a buzz and attract casuals to take notice and buy into the drama) to Pacquiao fans as a problem or part of the reason of what is wrong with the bitter can you be Slappy, serio!, unlike pactards mexican fightfans aren’t going nowhere no matter how may mexican fighters lose or get beaten down.

Posted September 18, 2012 3:28 am 

The Mad Scientist

Like I said, all the haters are not satisfied with Chavez Jr just being outbox or befuddled, they wanted to see Junior do an impersonation of A mere Con chiken dancing all over the ring to strip him off of one of his good qualities wich is his strong chin..Sergio suffering injuries due to Junior’s toughness and durability and almost getting KTFO in the final round left a bitter taste as well since none of the haters expected that to happen..

Posted September 18, 2012 3:08 am 


I caught that too right after he said put the medicine in they gave him the water bottle. i think Mak i s right thought it was coagulants for the cut.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:51 am 

The Mad Scientist

Mendoza I haven’t down played Martinez’s performance or pumped up Jr’s 12th round success as a victory in any way so I don’t know what you’re talking about..all my comments on this fight are mostly about the kid not getting any credit and the hatred he is showered with around here..

Posted September 18, 2012 2:48 am 


RIDICULOUS comment by the author re what Chavez Jnr did in the 12th round vs Maravilla, making us believe he was the moral victor… You may as well sy what Maidana did to Amir Khan in the 10th or what Andrade did to Bute with seconds left in their first fight made them the moral victor – and in many ways those two performances have far greater credence than Jnr’s did this weekend!
What a load of bunkum!!!!
Are these Bob Arum’s cheerleader boys trying to promote another match by being revisionists with the truth????

Chavez Jnr was outclassed, plain and simple…

Posted September 18, 2012 2:25 am 

te tumbo

fight-related injuries are accepted hazards of the sport. otherwise, who gives Marquez a break for fighting with a broken nose for the final 11 rounds of his first bout v. Pacquiao*? not You.

Posted September 18, 2012 2:02 am 

Chicken eater

Do you realize your boy got spanked in front of a sold out crowd? In front of millions of viewers at home? C’mon man….

Posted September 18, 2012 2:00 am 

te tumbo

SLAPPYBOY, “Mexicans” have a lot more than one fighter every 50 years to root for and NObody considers Chavez Jr. to be the best of the current crop. he’s simply the guy who walked through a blizzard of punches to cut and finally Drop a bloody Martinez, that’s all. NObody expected Chavez Jr. to win any other way if at all. a Chavez win was ALways going to be the Upset of 2012. conversely, why the F’k is Sergio getting so much credit for beating a “bum”? . . . (lol) . . . :twisted:

Posted September 18, 2012 1:58 am 

te tumbo

not really. because on the same night, Alvarez and De Leon won BUT no parades or natoinal holidays. just another day in the office. what will you do now that Punkuiao* is gone? can you wait 50 years? . . . :twisted:

Posted September 18, 2012 1:47 am 

M. Mendoza

THE MAD SCIENTIST: Let’s not downplay Sergio’s 12th round performance; he did just what he was supposed to do which was to box his way out of the ambush that Chavez Jr. so much likes to execute on the ropes — in fact, that’s his royal flush ace high technique par exellence. Martinez was able to trump that proving indeed to be the work of an excellent boxer — everyone seems to forget that Martinez fought with a broken hand from round 4.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:25 am 


Holding on fear dear life lol listen to yourself.This is exactly why people want to see jr get ko’d.Lies & more lies.Go look at the tape,Sergio clinched one time if that for 5 sec.He stood there fatigued,hurt toe2toe with shaky legs & still managed to back your little i mean bigger jr what fight were you watching.Sergio literally landed at will & jr just stood there hurt & injured as well the lies need to stop you’re losing all credibility scientist.You let your heart get in the way too much,did i mention jr one of my people.Yeah can’t support them fakes yall can continue to do so though.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:16 am 

M. Mendoza

MEMO: Great comments!! Personally I don’t agree with how “could have done” and “would have done” are now being used to give Chavez Jr. heroic dimensions as if all of that “would” and “could” actually happened and are given 100 times the importance of what Martinez DID DO and DID FINISH.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:12 am 


“Chavez Jr. wins the fight in one round”,That’s how delusional jr fans are.Almost landed another lucky punch,Almost got laid,almost won 2 rounds pathetic.Almost is never good enough.Watch jr try to over-confidently engage in the 2nd bout early & get floored.There’s nothing impressive about a 190lb guy pummeling stationary guys half his size & being handed a belt thinking he’s champ.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:07 am 

M. Mendoza

I am NOT disappointed in Martinez because he fought with a broken left hand very early in the fight. The only reason why there is so much fuzz over Chavez Jr.’s 12th round is because he’s the son of a legend. Martinez won the fight — if Chavez thinks he was only 20 seconds away from knocking out Martinez — then he better think again. If Martinez was 20 seconds too fast for him than that speaks volume for how ill-suited Chavez is when it comes to executing with lighting speed and precision. Martinez won the fight period. Even if they had 13 rounds or 14 or 15 — Martinez would have adjusted.

Posted September 18, 2012 1:06 am 


AD has the beat …

Posted September 18, 2012 12:43 am 


Chavez vs Martinez was very reminiscent of bute vs Andrade in the 12 rd. different ending but just as dramatic. Martinez should go after canelo Alvarez . Maybe Martinez goes down to 154 if the money is right or canelo goes for a second title in a second division. Either way I think that’s the fight boxing needs if it can’t have Mayweather vs pacquiao.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:29 am 


sucks to lose, doesn’t it?

Posted September 18, 2012 12:27 am 

Shadow Boxer

Prior to this fight hardcore boxing fans like myself had stomach all the Chavez knockout predictions about how he was going to do this that and the third to Martinez. It was clear as day then that he was a one-dimentional fighter who only had fought C- fighters at best and still got hit easily. Although I don’t hate Chavez, the kid is just not that good and I’m pissed that he scored that knockdown because all of his delusional fans are hanging their hat on the 12th. Now that he’s finally stepped up the competition he got out-classed as I expected him to and he’s at a dead end as I’m sure he wll rack up more losses. I do find his weight draining pre-fight look comical though!

Posted September 18, 2012 12:27 am 


If they fought in the streets Chavez’s face would have been ripped to shreds. Chavez never would have been able to finish the fight.No gloves. Oh, you forgot about that didn’t you?

Posted September 18, 2012 12:25 am 


Zurdo, go back and read some of my posts before the fight. I said Martinez would not KO Chavez. Now, shut up.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:21 am 


I`m not worried. I`m English, we love seeing Argentines lose. It just isn`t going to happen vs Chavez.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:16 am 


Anyone who thinks he is garbage is an idiot, but there is the reality that skillwise he is limited. He`s a pressure fighter with a very nice left hook whose effectiveness is magnified by somehow being able to boil down to 160lbs. Currently though, his best win is stopping Andy Lee/ outpointing Zbik/Rubio. That is good and puts him top 5 but doesn`t compare to Geales results of beating Sylvester and Sturm IN GERMANY, and the buzz that Golovkin is generating – albeit against lesser opponents. Either of those two deserve a shot at Martinez before Chavez gets another go.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:15 am 

The Mad Scientist

This is the reason why the haters are not satisfied..they convinced each other that Junior was garbage and he wouldn’t be able to withstand the fire power of a true elite..watching Sergio down on the 12 holding on for dear life didn’t make things much better for them either..

Posted September 18, 2012 12:05 am 


Dont worry may be the flower will not recovery.

Posted September 18, 2012 12:05 am 


by the way: Chavez won the fight in 1 rd? He blew the fight big time in this rd by not being able to ko Martinez, not talking of the other 11rds.

Posted September 17, 2012 11:59 pm 


I`ll freely admit Chavez did better than I expected, I`m not disappointed – it made for a more interesting last round. He showed he is a tough, determined SOB, and good on him for that, although honestly almost every Mexican boxer displays this attributes. I don`t come out of that fight thinking Chavez is any better though, just tougher than I thought. He wasn`t the #2 middleweight in the world before the fight and he isn`t now.

Posted September 17, 2012 11:59 pm 


@author: I’m no hater, but stop telling nonsense. Ok there was a knockdown/pushdown. But after some dangerous seconds of regrouping, Martinez was pummeling Chavez jr. again as in the other 11 rounds before. 15 rounds would have saved Chavez? Or as he said “I needed 20 more seconds etc”? No way. That’s not the reality we saw on TV. It was one of the fastest recoveries after a knockdown we’ve seen. At the end of the 12th round it was almost as in the other 11 rds before again. And stop using the subjunctive too much (Chavez would’ve done this or that, if only 20sec more etc…), it always sounds like “If my uncle had tits, he would be my aunt” or sth. like that :lol: :lol:

Posted September 17, 2012 11:57 pm 


All of you are disappointed. You was expecting Martinez ko chavez much like he koed greats Williams, Macklin or Baker. After the official weight when you saw Chavez weak, you did bet you house for a martinez ko victory. You did want to see chavez like williams (face to canvas). It will be a slayer you said. But, In fact, was Martinez who went down to the canvas. Martinez put in a boxing clinic but that was not enough for you, that was not what you was lookin for. And here goes the speech again “In the rematch he will kill him, In the rematch he will bury him.” But you dont want the rematch….

Posted September 17, 2012 11:51 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Tomuch hatred for Chavez Jr wich mean all this mofo’s will still paid to watch him get beat to a pulp since its obvious they’re still not satisfied..Lol!, estodo Chavez Jr!

Posted September 17, 2012 11:38 pm 


Noones scared of a rematch, it`s just pointless when the result was so conclusive, and only one of the guys (Martinez) has the option of amending his style for a better result.

Posted September 17, 2012 11:36 pm 


Why so scare aobut the rematch? Martinez is so delicate like a flower. A knee injuried, a hand broken, one punch knockdown. ALL THAT in a fight that won clearly!!!! On the other hand Chavez receive 11 round of leather and he wants the rematch. Its clear who is better boxer and who stand up like a man.

Posted September 17, 2012 11:31 pm 


Pardon….I guess *Chavez* wants the rematch, to reopen and WORSEN the wounds that Martinez has sustained! Why wont he go up to his proper weight and fight Froch!? Isnt he courageous!? After all, he IS the son of a legitimate legend!

Posted September 17, 2012 11:13 pm 


The “bully” caught an older 37 yr old fighter with a good punch! Yet, the older shop worn technician that suffered a broken left hand, eight stitches over his left eye, two staples in his head and torn ligaments in his right knee – schooled the younger testosterone filled “bully!” Its OK that a young son of a legend managed to catch the “past prime older guy” with a good shot!…. nothing less should have been expected! But the schooling the 48 wins, no loss son of a legend took is similar to what a Bugs Bunny does to a Yosemite Sam on a regular….pathetic! :oops: I guess Martinez wants the rematch to catch the older “past prime” multiple injured fighter, in an attempt to make the injuries worse towards the beginning of the bout, so that Martinez might quit! The GREAT Chavez Jr is on a MISSION!

Posted September 17, 2012 11:05 pm 


Martinez won the fight clearly. bad knee and broken hand! One lucky punch still didnt do it!

Posted September 17, 2012 10:50 pm 


Martinez whooped him with a broken hand PENDEX!!!

Posted September 17, 2012 10:34 pm 

te tumbo

MAD SCI, that is correct. with the exception of Ward and Mayweather, no other matchups compare in terms of profit and prominence or “ease”(?) of execution. i anticipate that Martinez’s decision will be based on those factors. not to mention being punished, decked, and pummeled in that single and final round of their first bout.

Posted September 17, 2012 10:22 pm 


Fought in the streets? Why would that matter? This is a sport. This is about skill, speed, atheleticism, endurance, etc. Boxing is not a street fight. Your argument makes no sense. If it was a street fight one can pick up a pipe and crack it over the other guys head. You can get kicked in the balls; get your eyes gnawed at; get chocked out; bite. Do any of those actions sound like boxing?

Posted September 17, 2012 10:18 pm 


If Sergio & Chavez fought in the streets, how long would it last? And if it went the same way, who would the crowd regard as the victor?

Posted September 17, 2012 10:14 pm 


Wrong buddy. Pavlik, Macklin, and Williams dropped Martinez. Are you aware that your Chavez LOST the fight and LOST 11 out of 12 rounds? LOL. What’s the confusion?

Posted September 17, 2012 10:08 pm 


But this is a sport, not a street fight. Chavez didn’t win anything except a loss. And by the way, I’ve never seen street fight last for more than a few minutes. Fighting for an hour? LOL.

Posted September 17, 2012 10:05 pm 


Let me put it this way: Sergio won the boxing match. Chavez won the fight. If 2 guys are scrapping in the street and 1 guy keeps circling and popping the other’s face for 1 hour…then suddenly the other guy catches up to him and batters him around the place…but the cops show up and stop the battering…who won the fight????

Posted September 17, 2012 10:03 pm 


I don’t understand any of these theories. Martinez won the fight hands down. He got dropped at the end because he was careless, he got up and fought back. This whole thing about what if it was a 15 round fight argument is stupid. It was a 12 round fight and if it was a 15 round fight Martinez would’ve taken some rounds off here and there so he wouldn’t tire. As far as the rematch is concerned, if there is a demand then it’ll get made. I think it’s funny how some people are all upset about it. Really? Did you see Mayweather fight Judah, Mosley, and Baldomir? Were any of those fights worthy of PPV? They weren’t. At least with this rematch there is passion involved, even though I think Martinez wins a decision again.

Posted September 17, 2012 10:00 pm 

te tumbo

“. . . save face for Jr. and Mexicans in general . . .”(?) as if the average “Mexican” gives more than an entertainment-f’k about the adventures of their prizefighters. No parades, No national status or holidays, not even for Chavez Sr. does Chavez Jr. look like Pacquiao* to you?

Posted September 17, 2012 9:57 pm 


You dummy. Read the article again.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:55 pm 


Getting caught and put down does not mean taking a beating! The beating was put on Chavez. Did you all just fall asleep for 11 rounds and only wake up for the 12th? That’s what it seems like.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:54 pm 

te tumbo

CORRECTION: I was right about everything about the fight inCluding Chavez Jr. landing significant blows and decking Martinez. i concede that i was off on the timing but i believe i may have subconsciously defaulted into 15-round mode(?). anyway, heavy and unrelenting pressure was ALways the gameplan NOT a boxing-punching chessmatch v. the faster and elusive Martinez who isn’t getting enough credit for executing a potshotting fight-plan that completely disarmed Chavez Jr. nonetheless –and As Predicted– the awaited lapse occurred and Chavez Jr. had enough left to leave a lasting impression on Martinez and fight-fans . . . He’s a Chavez.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:51 pm 

te tumbo

was right about everything about the fight except inCluding Chavez Jr. landing significant blows and decking Martinez. i concede that i was off on the timing but i believe i may have subconsciously defaulted into 15-round mode(?). anyway, heavy and unrelenting pressure was ALways the gameplan NOT a boxing-punching chessmatch v. the faster and elusive Martinez who isn’t getting enough credit for executing a potshotting fight-plan that completely disarmed Chavez Jr. nonetheless –and As Predicted– the awaited lapse occurred and Chavez Jr. had enough left to leave a lasting impression on Martinez and fight-fans . . . He’s a Chavez.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:49 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Chavez did not win the fight in one round but he won the event..that’s all it took for Juniors supporters to walk out of the building happy and there is nothing the haters can say or do to change that..Martinez’s almost flawless performance was ruined in one round so now we’re talking rematch because of no other big money fights available to him..

Posted September 17, 2012 9:44 pm 

te tumbo

interesting and differing perspectives(?): i saw the ropes prevent Martinez from hitting the deck following that left hook right on the tip of the chin. he was stumbling forward and smartly attempted to grapple with Chavez Jr. on his way down provoking Chavez Jr. to shrug him off but in both cases only the ropes and Chavez Jr. prevented Martinez from hitting the deck, Both Times.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:43 pm 


Kicking his butt. Damned iPhone.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:24 pm 


Question for the author. Are you addicted to drugs? You might need to go see someone. Yes Chavez scored a knock down. But by the end of the round Martinez was lickin his butt again. I suspect if it were a 15 round gift Martinez would have stopped fooling around and going for the finish.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:23 pm 


On point reasoning! But I’d still prefer to see Sergio “do the do” on the young upstart over the Foreman fight! Martinez gives the sweet science a classy technical rep, a rep that boxing sometimes loses with bad decisions, and boring slugfests that only speed up brain damage and shorten careers. Give me the “technical” any day!

Posted September 17, 2012 9:23 pm 


He go caught…HARDLY a “beating”. Look at Chavez’s face, now look at Martinez’s….nuff said. Oh wait, look at the scorecards, okay…now, I’m done.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:22 pm 


So, instinct works when you’re unconscious, huh? Amazing…

Posted September 17, 2012 9:04 pm 


Tark, I really didn’t see Chavez deck Martinez. I saw him knock him into the ropes–at which time I thought a knockdown should have been called–then saw him land a few more punches, then throw Martinez down. Not intentionally, of course, but that’s what I saw. A Chavez punch did NOT knock Martinez down. But this is the key: “… Chavez didn’t close the deal and Martinez did.” All the rhetoric in the world won’t change what happened in that fight. I saw Sergio Martinez give Chavez Jr. a beating in every single round. That’s why he won the fight. No other story will work.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:03 pm 


What, te tumbo!?

Posted September 17, 2012 9:00 pm 

Kid Blast

Shane has the beat

Posted September 17, 2012 8:59 pm 


Cintron, Williams, Macklin, Barker and Dzinziruk fought a younger prime version of Martinez. As you get OLDER your body breaks down! Remember? Now Chavez needs to go up in weight and fight guys his natural weight. He’ll earn the title “bully” if he doesn’t up north – very soon! beating up on smaller and lesser skilled comp does not create legendary status. He’s young enough to start fresh at the higher weight. The way in which he came back for those 30 seconds of glory proves he’s not psychologically damaged…..say goodbye to Martinez…..and hello to Froch!! Hmmm, Even though Calzaghe is a way better fighter than Chavez….still gotta wonder how he feels with his retired “legendary” padded status now….a padded status that can also be achieved by someone such as Chavez with NO amateur experience!?

Posted September 17, 2012 8:58 pm 


Yer right, prof, the 15-round era is long gone and is wasteful wishful thinking to even consider that happening. Besides, does anyone believe there wouldn’t be different strategies on both sides if the fight was a 15-rounder? The “what-if” kings, especially the Mexican factor just can’t accept reality. But let me make it clear to you: YOUR BOY NEVER HAD A CHANCE. NEVER.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:57 pm 

Kid Blast

Garcia is the best trainer out there these days.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:55 pm 

KnucKled Eye

Renaldo Snipes! There’s a name you don’t hear very much in boxing circles(at least the ones I run in). Didn’t a scuffle break out after the Snipes-Holmes fight and Snipes got stabbed or cut by some scissors?

Posted September 17, 2012 8:53 pm 


So true

Posted September 17, 2012 8:48 pm 


I really have no idea why they hate this boy, no matter how hard he tries. Sad sad sad.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:43 pm 

prof konje

Why does anyone think that Martinez lost the last round? He was cuffed not punched when he was put down. Sure he was hurt from a previous punch but that did not put him down, Let’s not forget that Martinez won 11 solid rounds and two minutes and 45 seconds of the twelfth round. People keep saying that Chavez won round 12-he did not win that entire round. In the end, Chavez lost no matter how you cut it. The over-weight bully was exposed as I knew he would be. And for the writer’s information, 15 round fights were long gone before Chavez Sr. and Meldrick Taylor met. It was Richard Steele who lost that fight for Taylor.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:42 pm 

But Are You Right When You Contradict Yourself ?

Tark but are you right when you contradict yourself ? One thing we can count on for a good belly laugh is that you will become confused like Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair and contradict yourself.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:36 pm 


Chavez got that but tapped, there shouldn’t be a rematch he would get his a@$ kicked worse. Martinez did not have his hands down for the twelfth round only but every round and yet he couldnt do anything. This reminds me of someone running twelve laps. He walks all eleven sprints for half of the last lap still cant finish and walks the other half of the lap. Yeah I doubt that I would put my money on that guy running the full 12 laps next time either. Martinez keeps his hands up and easily would have a perfect match against this inferior fighter. He just needs to keep doing what works for him and keep his hands up and chavez no chance in hell he can win.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:35 pm 

Rusty B

Martinez won, but he also took the worst beating of his career. Other that Margarito, nobody has hurt him like chavez Jr. did.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:33 pm 

KnucKled Eye

Bottom line. Chavez needed a KO going in to the last round and almost got it. He got his ass handed to him for 11 of the other rounds. Martinez, in my opinion got caught up in the moment and fought stupid, instead of holding when on the rope he traded, that almost was his demise. Martinez showed great heart in that fight as well. If there is a rematch martinez wins easy without any mistakes.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:32 pm 


so true Sam …unfortunately I don’t Think Martinez will ever get full credit by most Fans..most of those fans are not real Boxing fans …they are just followers because he is from this country or he has a famous last name,most of them don’t even know how to score a boxing match…out of those 19,000 plus fans that went to see the fight maybe 5,000 new who really won and know what boxing is all about…also the blames goes to the promoters and HBO they are to be blame for destroying what good of boxing…

Posted September 17, 2012 8:30 pm 

Dan Adams

Kudos to Martinez for his splendid win against a multiple weight-classes larger opponent in Chavez, Jr. Along with his by-fight-time weight advantage, Julio’s strengths are toughness and competiveness; in other words, if you throw so many punches at Chavez, as Martinez did, and Julio hangs in there, anything can happen (and did!) when Martinez tired down the stretch and Julio finally caught Sergio. So, what should both fighters do now? Rematch? Nah, for despite what the author says, the public won’t forget the first 11 rounds, even if he did. I suggest Chavez moves up in weight, where he rightfully belongs, and tries his luck with Andre Ward, Carl Froch, and Mikkel Kessler. Wouldn’t Chavez, Jr. and Carl Froch be something to watch? As for Martinez, a fight against Andre Ward would be nice; or, move down and fight Miguel Cotto at juniior middle.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:23 pm 


Coagulants.. for the cut.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:20 pm 

Ambrosio “One-Man-Show” Delgado

This is one hell of a “where-the-sun-don’t-shine” kissing article. You know what i mean. LOL

Posted September 17, 2012 8:19 pm 

Ambrosio “One-Man-Show” Delgado

Liked!! hahahaha!!

Posted September 17, 2012 8:15 pm 

Ambrosio “One-Man-Show” Delgado

Me, too!! I agree!!

Posted September 17, 2012 8:13 pm 


Freddy Roach has been thoroughly exposed as a fraud

Posted September 17, 2012 8:12 pm 


I think you’re on to something.. need to investigate further.. does anyone know if Chavez Jr. took his drung tests that night????

Posted September 17, 2012 8:09 pm 


I was right about everything about the fight except for Chavez landing significant blows and decking Martinez.. I knew it was possible because he’s a very big, heavy, young, tough, hard punching middleweight. Julio can’t box well, so his only chance was to take a big risk and go for broke at some point in the fight—and the last round is usually your best shot to do this, much like Mike Weaver vs John Tate where Weaver won with 45 seconds to go after losing at least 11 rounds.. Your opponent is thinking, “I’m way ahead and I just need to finish the round” so he’s thinking mostly of survival which usually gives you more freedom to blast away—plus he’s probably expended more energy at that point carrying the entire fight and beating the hell out of you … But Chavez didn’t close the deal and Martinez did.. A win is a win and a loss is a loss — and this was a very one sided loss where the gap in class and mastery was extremely stark … Artie Lavine had Sugar Ray Robinson out on the canvas. Renaldo Snipes had Larry Holmes out on the canvas. These guys came a lot closer than Chavez to winning a world shaking victory — but no cigar.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:06 pm 

te tumbo

i anticipate that Martinez weighed between 168lbs–170lbs on fight night. in order for Chavez to outweigh him by 20lbs he would’ve had to weigh between 188lbs–190lbs after rehydrating 30lbs overnight(?!?). not likely if impossible. some of you need to learn how to talk Boxing instead of grasping at ridiculously-sinister scenarios. the less legit Chavez Jr. is, the more vulnerable Martinez appears to be if he ever faces a competent opponent instead of the B-level euro-contenders he’s been feasting on since his KO of the overrated Williams two years ago.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:01 pm 


Cintron, Williams, Macklin, Barker and Dzinzurik ALL won more than 1 round against Martinez.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:59 pm 

Hate Casual Fans

Who requested same-day weigh-ins? Sergio? The commission? Why would Chavez demand conditions that favor Martinez? The hate for Chavez has reached idiot proportions.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:58 pm 


Yup! Martinez put on a MASTERFUL performance for 34 minutes, gets caught (like HUNDREDS of fighters have in the past) and he “lost the fight”??? Pshhh!!! That’s absurd.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:54 pm 

te tumbo

i anticipate that Martinez weighed between 168lbs–170lbs on fight night. in order for Chavez to outweigh him by 20lbs he would’ve had to weigh between 188lbs–190lbs after rehydrating 30lbs overnight(?!?). not likely if impossible. some of you need to learn how to talk Boxing instead of grasping at ridiculously-sinister scenarios. the less impressive Chavez Jr. is, the more vulnerable Martinez appears to be if he ever faces a competent opponent instead of the B-level euro-contenders he’s been feasting on since his KO of Williams two years ago.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:54 pm 


Would you accept a fight night weight limit of 170 pounds for both fighters?

Posted September 17, 2012 7:53 pm 


Probably. But maybe also Martinez hurt his knee. The suggestion is that he hurt in the 12th round — but I swear I saw him fall from a push by Chavez in the 11th and it took him 20 seconds to get up. I think he hurt it in the 11th round. I can’t swear to it but I think Chavez and Martinez accidentally bumped knees together. Anyway, I think he hurt it in the 11th and he had less mobility in the 12th. IMO, Martinez could not stick and move in the 12th. And Chavez finally caught him and he caught him with his 185-190 pounds and he hurt him. This is the simple story of the fight. If Martinez can move, Martinez wins easily. If Chavez fights at a fair weight / same day weight limit (170?), again Martinez wins easily. If Martinez cannot move, more difficult. If Chavez fights with a 20-25 pound weight advantage, also more difficult.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:52 pm 



Posted September 17, 2012 7:52 pm 



Posted September 17, 2012 7:49 pm 


Cintron, Williams, Macklin, Barker, and Dzinziruk combined weight about the same as Chavez Jr.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:48 pm 


The author is an idiot. Why doesn’t Chavez Jr. show courage — LIKE HIS FATHER — and agree to a same day weight limit. I would love to see Martinez vs. Chavez II if both fighters agree to 160 pounds on day before fight (official weigh-in) and 170 pounds on the day of the fight (un-official but agreed to and officiated by both parties). But Chavez won’t do that because he wants the weight advantage. The author talks about how one round makes us forget about the other 11. That is stupid. The only reason Chavez was standing in the 12 round was because he was 20-25 pounds heavier than Martinez. If Chavez is the same weight as Martinez then it is a fair fight and Chavez does not have the bulk to stand up against Martinez punches. Chavez would have been in the 12 round if it was a fair fight at a fair weight. The author is an idiot.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:46 pm 

te tumbo

that’s a good point and solid example. i also noticed Maidana’s startling transformation from a head-first plodder to a fighter with a jab and dare i say(?) footwork(?!?), which definitely caught Soto-Karas and virtually anyone watching off-guard.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:44 pm 


I don’t get it, chavez gets owned by a smaller man which he outweighed by 15/20 pounds, for 11 rounds, gets a bit lucky in last round, from which Martinez came back like a champ. And everyone from hbo/espn/fox/etc especially spanish outlets, kisses his ass

Posted September 17, 2012 7:39 pm 


finally…. someone who is not delusional… stupid ass article sums it up nicely…… some failed journalist who knows squat about boxing writing rubbish

Posted September 17, 2012 7:36 pm 


Taylor vs Froch was the last time I saw that. Difference is that Froch finished the job and JCC Jr was exposed for the fraud everyone knew he was. Froch didn’t have a 25lb advantage either.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:30 pm 


I hope Lou get’s away from this and looks for someone else preferably Mayweather or Canelo. Chavez should do the honorable and healthy step and go up to 168lb. He dwarfs almost all his opponents. I thought I was watching a Lt Heavy vs a Middleweight. He is a big kid…

Posted September 17, 2012 7:26 pm 


CHAVEZ CHEATED!!!! Between the 11th and 12 rounds HBO’s translator was translating the corner of Chavez. I specifically heard the translator say something to the likes of “No no we put the medicine in”. As they were pouring water into Chavez’ mouth.

My point is…. What the hell does “we put the medicine in” mean? The first thing I thought of was that the corner of Chavez put some sort of illegal substance into his water bottle (either speed or Methamphetamine) I just thought it was kind of peculiar how Chavez was getting destroyed by Martinez the entire fight and all of the sudden surges forward in the final minute of the match to knock down Martinez. Please watch carefully between the 11th and 12 rounds and you’ll hear the commentary.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:25 pm 


Chavez Jr. Should Fire Freddy Roach And Hire Robert Garcia. Garcia Taught Marcos Maidana To Jab. Chavez Jr. Didn’t Jab Once. And Garcia Speaks Spanish And Freddy Roach Doesn’t.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:25 pm 


It’s obvious Martinez will not get credit to those who are biased . It’s hard to accept defeat with pride blinding the eyes. You either win or lose? Almost doesn’t cut it..

Posted September 17, 2012 7:22 pm 

Boxing Fanatic

no he didnt. he lost 11 rounds to 1 LOL

Posted September 17, 2012 7:19 pm 

The Best!

The truth I think Chavez Sr would be the only man to train Chavez to fight the right way, I think Jr. is trying to emulate him and is confused with Roach’s style and his father style. Or maybe Jr. just is not a true boxer?!?!

Posted September 17, 2012 7:19 pm 



Posted September 17, 2012 7:17 pm 

The Best!

Chavez fought like a little boy in there who was not sure what he was doing in there for the first 11 rounds until the 12th round did he finally grow some balls and fought with conviction which was what he should of done since round one. And why in the hell would he not throw a jab isnt that the first damn thing they teach you in boxing?

Posted September 17, 2012 7:09 pm 

te tumbo

bottomline, after 11 rounds and 900 punches, a cut, bloodied, injured, stunned, and desperate Martinez still had to pick himself up off of the canvas TWICE to survive and finally earn the “W” v. a hard-charging Chavez Jr., which is more than he had to do v. the likes of Cintron, Williams, Macklin, Barker, and Dzinziruk.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:09 pm 


Mexican good fighters could be outboxed dont try to outlast. Thats was the Martinez mistake. These words came from Floyd after his victory over Cotto. Thats why Whittaker did not trade with Chavez, Floyd did not trade with Marquez and Pacquiao simply did not take the risk to look for the ko against Marquez. All of you are here because that little bit taste of the last round. Martinez already outboxed Chavez but he did want to show he can trade with him also and he paid. Chavez Jr. is not even a good boxer, but still is a Chavez.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:07 pm 

Kid Blast

We need attorneys writing boxing articles like we need foxes in the hen house. Stop with the “Esq.” for all that’s holy. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Posted September 17, 2012 7:07 pm 

Kid Blast


Posted September 17, 2012 7:06 pm 


I like the idea that chavez kept coming forward…. I didn’t see it in the fight though. He didn’t do a thing, then in the last round tried used his weight and size advantage and still didn’t ko the fighter who had been active and putting on a masterclass… Chavez was overly poor.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:03 pm 

te tumbo

anybody who anticipated that Chavez Jr. wouldn’t be outclassed in a boxing match v. Martinez was a fool going into this bout. otherwise, experienced fight-fans who recognized the contrasting styles between these fighters accurately predicted that the only way for Chavez Jr. to win was “to catch Martinez on the ropes and [beat] him with his size” and ferocity. Chavez Jr’s. fight-plan was based on winning exchanges not rounds. i didn’t expect Jr. to win many if any of those and certainly not before decisive exchanges that would put Martinez on his heels if not his ass. this matchup is no different than Bute v. Andrade, which was an eagerly-anticipated rematch. the primary difference now is that one fighter is named Chavez. otherwise, Martinez will make a lot more money in a rematch v. Chavez Jr. than Bute ever did v. Andrade and THAT is the primary factor that will ultimately determine Martinez’s next matchup.

Posted September 17, 2012 7:02 pm 


No one forgot that. What we also didn’t forget was how badly Martinez was hurt in the last round, the championship rounds. That was impressive. He actually had enough time to even finish Martinez off right there, but it didn’t happen.

Posted September 17, 2012 6:56 pm 


one round does not win a fight. If jr was able to stop martinez it would have been significant. since he did not it means nothing. hes 26 years old he should have fought like that the whole ifght.

Posted September 17, 2012 6:54 pm 


Yeah it was pretty impressive seeing as how he was TOTALLY outclassed for 34 minutes, that’s for sure, I give him a lot of credit for that….but I’m not that foolish to forget how CLUELESS he looked for those 34 minutes while Martinez shined and delivered the boxing lesson he promised. How can you forget that?

Posted September 17, 2012 6:46 pm 

Rocky Morales

Agreed. Hope he’s a better attorney than he is a boxing analyst and writer.

Posted September 17, 2012 6:45 pm 


Not really. That was a really dramatic round. When was the last time you saw something like that happen? It was a significant thing that happened. A guy who takes a beating for 11 rounds straight damn near knocks out his opponent in the round 12. Come on man, that means something.

Posted September 17, 2012 6:42 pm 

Cary Simmons

Stupid ass article

Posted September 17, 2012 6:40 pm 

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