Another 2 Cents Worth!
Arum’s super greedy old ass really needs to stop… Nobody wants to see that crap!… I personally wanna Maravilla teach all the Canelo fans already talking smack a fairly easy lesson.Posted September 18, 2012 9:38 pm
The problem I have with this possible fight is 2 things. One, Martinez was stupid in the final round to even attempt a KO with a broken left hand. He should just have continued what he had been doing for 11 &1/2 rounds. jab , move, hook, move etc. Two With 2 healthy hands Martinez might possibly get the knock out , probably not Jr is much bigger & really does have a descent chin. Martinez fighting as he can & should against a true light heavy weight , just jab, move, hook, occasional straight left all night long to a Boring easy victory …Posted September 18, 2012 5:33 pm
I agree with the sentiment that a re-match is a money making scam at this point in time. Yes, let Junior fight one or two of the many great middleweight contenders out there first, win convincingly and then we can talk re-match.Posted September 18, 2012 6:16 am
Chavez is a big stiff stiff and is on diuretics big time. He will end up like Mike and Ray Mentzer of bodybuilding fame.Posted September 18, 2012 12:30 am
Ahaha….. You must be blind…..Posted September 18, 2012 12:15 am
You have not idea what box is…..Posted September 18, 2012 12:13 am
Chávez Jr had no clue how to box Martínez. He finally heeded the advice from his corner and began to let his hand fly when Martínez was punching. If Chávez Jr would have done this earlier, the fight wouldn’t have been as one sided but Jr. would have run out of steam before the 12 th round. Rematch to see if Jr can reinvent himself.Posted September 17, 2012 11:41 pm
NO REASON FOR A REMATCH!Posted September 17, 2012 10:28 pm
F7ck the rematch. I won’t buy it.Posted September 17, 2012 9:29 pm
He comes in 20 pounds heavier thats the only reason he stands after so much punishment from a much smaller guy. Did you see his face by the way after the fight? I wonder if he could still see from one eye. However, he has no skill and can barely move. Canelo and Chavez are doing the same they should fight each other. Canelo fighting naturally smaller guy and so is Chavez. Perfect matchup for each other. Although, Canelo really does belong in the 154 pound weight class unlike chavez. Chavez is too big a pu%^& to fight fighters his own size and in that way he is also protected.Posted September 17, 2012 8:54 pm
Chavez got that but tapped, there shouldn’t be a rematch he would get his a@$ kicked worse. Martinez did not have his hands down for the twelfth round only but every round and yet he couldnt do anything. This reminds me of someone running twelve laps. He walks all eleven sprints for half of the last lap still cant finish and walks the other half of the lap. Yeah I doubt that I would put my money on that guy running the full 12 laps next time either. Martinez keeps his hands up and easily would have a perfect match against this inferior fighter. He just needs to keep doing what works for him and keep his hands up and chavez no chance in hell he can win. The only reason Chavez can take a punch is because he comes in the ring about twenty pounds heavier than his opponents. I want him to say he has a good chin when he fights guys his size. He should be fighting a Ward that would knock him out no doubt. Chavez comes in the ring much physically bigger (heavier), much younger, taller there should be no excuse for him even losing if he’s a good fighter. He has no where near the talent Martinez has and a rematch he would only get beat worse. Why do you think Martinez promoter wants the rematch when his fighter left chavez face reconstructed lol. He knows it will only be easier. Like I said if Martinez wouldve just had his hands up which everyone should do, and is boxing 101, the knockdown wouldn’t have happened and everyone would be saying chavez biggest boxing buildup fluke of our time. Next time I’m pretty sure Martinez will have hands up. The only question people should have is whether Martinez can score a perfect score when not showboating with hands down. Chavez is no where the same level as Martinez and the only reason people like you even question it is because he fights little guys hes outweighing at least by 15 pounds and sometimes more. When I watch Chavez fight Im disgusted because he always looks a weight class bigger than his opponents. I’m glad Martinez whooped him bad. Martinez the smaller, shorter, 37 year old that chavez said had no chance against him. What a joke.Posted September 17, 2012 8:49 pm
Broken hand or no broken hand Sergio punished Junior and turned his face into ground fertilizer.Posted September 17, 2012 8:25 pm
Martinez demonstrated why he’s in the 10 pound for pound lists, and boxed beautifully all night. But, Chavez, showed that he belongs in the ring with Martinez, he took everything that he threw at him, then almost knocked him out in the final stanza. Chavez, has the style/power to give Martinez serious trouble if he’s more aggressive form the get, and throws more punches. I would still pick Chavez in a rematch even though Martinez won the D this time. Martinez saw his boxing career flash before his eyes in that 12th rd, and knew it was life or death. I have to admire his courage and determination to fight it out at that point. One more rd though, and he would have a different winner…Chavez would have finished him off.Posted September 17, 2012 7:27 pm
Exactly and Bute v. Andrade was an eagerly-anticipated rematch among virtually all boxing fans back then. the only difference now is that one of the fighters is named Chavez.Posted September 17, 2012 6:45 pm
Broken hand…BS!! He just making excuse for no k.o cause he hit him with everything but the stool. Chavez who has been protected and has no punching power put him on his ass. Canelo will diff smash MartinezPosted September 17, 2012 6:05 pm
So from what I have read about this fight it some what reminds me of the Andrada vs Bute fight and rematch. Almost getting KO’d in the last and then winning with an easy win in the rematch. Wondering when Martinez will defend against the real titlest in the middleweight division. But also I want to say congrats on the win because I did pick Chavez and I was damn wrong. I still dislike Martinez thoughPosted September 17, 2012 5:59 pm
The Mad Scientist
It just goes to show that some people dont like to remember how you start but how you finish and this is why the rematch could be taking place in Texas..Posted September 17, 2012 5:44 pm
When it comes to title fights and rematches, I respect when boxers follow the informal code of…
Those rematch scenarios assume the champ wins the first fight. Other factors, like age and status, come into consideration when the champ loses. And of course none of the above wish list takes into consideration other possible justifications for next fight rematches – controversial judging, cuts from fouls, referee messing up the count, etc.
But in general, I think fans like to see good rematch tune-ups before title fights – they keep a division interesting and give more fighters a shot at a belt. These nonstop legendary sequels and trilogies of the month kind of clog the boxing arteries after awhile.Posted September 17, 2012 5:24 pm
@ Royal-T,I wouldn’t mind Martinez/Golovkin he has to pay his dues first though Sergio has payed his vs pavlik,Williams twice, & it took him till he was 37 to reclaim his belt because that’s what arum does to opponents drains them or waits till they’re old.Sergio has earned a right to fight floyd,canelo,cotto or whoever he chooses.Golovkin is not as old & still in his prime he should take care of gaele or Macklin & defiantly pirog to prove he is worthy.I’m sure he probably is but it won’t be easy.I could see him picking gael apart but Macklin & pirog is a whole other story.Posted September 17, 2012 5:09 pm
I severely doubt that. Golovkin is vastly superior to Jr in every department and has more KO power.Posted September 17, 2012 5:05 pm
The Mad Scientist
I find it funny how some of these cats keep saying Chavez Jr was expose..what’s there to expose, anybody can see Chavez relies on size, strength, toughness, durability and constant attack to the body to be competitive or win fights..some of this fools act like Jr’s supporters come on here talking about how great his skills are..Posted September 17, 2012 5:05 pm
Of course these guys want to do it again. Sergio will get five times the money fighting Jr than what he would get figting his mandatories at 160, and it is an easy fight for Sergio. Sergio is head and should above everyone from 154 to 160 with the exception Of Mayweather. Sergio should fight Floyd if the mayweather vs pacman cannot be made. Floyd does not have a middleweight title yet and sergio iisnt really a middleweight, he can still make 154 if he wanted too. It would be a big payday for Sergio and have historical signifigance to both fighters.and it would sell really well.Posted September 17, 2012 4:59 pm
I’m another one hoping for Martinez/Golovkin, that dude is a monster. That would be a good fight, which is probably why it won’t happen though.Posted September 17, 2012 4:53 pm
Why? WTF why do this again Chavez was not even competitive. IF martinez had not broken his hand he sould have stopped JCC JR. Bob Arum just wants to line his pockets with more money. If you want a logical answer to anything follow the money. If it does happen again this time Sergio should get the lions share of the purse. Chaves Jr did not deserve to be making doulble what Martinez was getting. Martinez has paid his dues, Chavez has not.Posted September 17, 2012 4:50 pm
Martinez would school GGG. imoPosted September 17, 2012 4:35 pm
Ridicules NOOOOO rematch! Mayweather vs Martinez !!!!! Chavez needs to go up and fight boxers his own size…Martinez beat him with a broken hand!!Posted September 17, 2012 4:20 pm
You’re so right…Posted September 17, 2012 4:09 pm
Well I have the same feeling that’s why I want this;)Posted September 17, 2012 4:07 pm
Just make sure you don’t schedule the rematch on the same night as a Golden Boy card again please.Posted September 17, 2012 4:06 pm
So let me get this straight. Chavez Jr. loses 11 rounds plus the fight, and then gets a rematch out of this?
YES.Posted September 17, 2012 3:55 pm
You have to understand. If Chavez Jr. had not almost knocked Martinez out in the 12th round, no one would care about the re-match, but Chavez Jr. almost knocked Martinez out. That means Chavez Jr. did and does have a chance to win a fight with Martinez. Since the “almost knockout” happened, I would pay the PPV charge again to see the fight.Posted September 17, 2012 3:53 pm
Top Rank and Bob Arum do not care what ppl want..From Pac vs Marquez 4 and 5 and 6..Now this rematch its clear..Hes like”forget what boxing fans want,i want my money..”Posted September 17, 2012 3:44 pm
NO WAAAAY!!!!! I don’t want to see a rematch.. 12 more rounds of Chavez being boxed to death is not my idea of an exciting contest.. Let’s get the Floyd-Sergio show going at 154 because the whole world wants to see it… Let Chavez move to super middleweight and fight Kelly Pavlik or Andre Dirrell — those fights will do gangbusters.. JCC Jr is obviously seriously drained at 160 because he weighs 190. He looks like he’s going to fall on his face at the weighin.Posted September 17, 2012 2:53 pm
Arum excited over another potential robbery if given the chance.Sergio might have to ko him this time in texas.I guess everything is bigger in texas even huge robbery’s it wouldn’t be the first or last time.Posted September 17, 2012 2:39 pm
Sergio is up in age, and he needs the big money fights…. If Junior wants get beat again., let it happenPosted September 17, 2012 2:32 pm
@Acorn I’d echo the points made by Tiptoa and Scott and would like to add that i disagree with your assesment of Martinez not surviving another round as you put it (Maravilla’s been decked by Pavlik, P. Will and even Matt Mack and at much earlier points in the fight than the last minute and he wasn’t in any trouble). It was a mismatch, it’s laughable how some people are desperately grasping at straws.Posted September 17, 2012 2:29 pm
Doesn’t warrant a rematch. It was an incredibly one-sided mismatch first time around. Arum might be able to sell a rematch based on the last 90seconds to the casual fan, but real fans couldn’t care less i’d wager.Posted September 17, 2012 2:22 pm
Yea what fight where you watching on Saturday dude? Martinez thoroughly dominated, embarrassed, and exposed Chavez Jr. for the overrated and carefully manufactured club level fighter he is. Martinez outclassed him in all but roughly 60 seconds of the entire fight. Do you really believe that Chavez Jr. will suddenly become dedicated to his sport, train properly, and develop skills in even 6 months time that come close to anything Martinez has in his arsenal?
I’m certain that a rematch will happen simply because it’s big money for both guys and the promo companies but outside of the money there is nothing that justifies a rematch. Yes Jr. caught a careless Martinez and knocked him down but he didn’t have the skills to close the show. Martinez recovered and was fine before the final bell rang. The style Martinez employs is a dangerous one and he gets knocked down from time to time as a result. Why is it so many people seem to think that one flash knockdown negates 11 and a half rounds of brutal domination? Jr’s face was a mess at the end of that fight. No rematch necessary.Posted September 17, 2012 2:19 pm
I guess. But I think financially it’s good for Sergio, I mean, who else will he fight that’ll bring him the big bucks? Floyd won’t fight him, and after what he did to Chavez, I highly doubt any of the other titlists at 160 want a piece of him. As far as “legacy” defining fights, I don’t think he’ll find them at 160, he’s 37 and in need of a HUGE payday, a rematch with Chavez will give him just that, AND, if he were to stop Chavez (very possible), it will stamp him as one of the BEST 160lbers of the last 7-8 years. Trust, if there was a better “option” for him, he should take it, I just don’t see one coming his way for some time.Posted September 17, 2012 2:18 pm
I’d gladly watch another twelve rounds of Blockhead Jr. getting totally beaten and humiliated on the World Boxing Stage by Sergio Martinez.. El Gran Campeon!!!Posted September 17, 2012 2:14 pm
If Sergio did what he did with just one good hand do you really need/want to see a rematch to figure out what the outcome is going to be? A lot of people want the rematch because they think Chavez was close to winning because he knocked Sergio down one time. Even bums masquerading as manufactured champions get their time in the spotlight. Jr. has had his time, now he can go back to beating up C and low B level guys. A lucky punch aside, a rematch will likely yield the same, similar, or worse outcome for Chavez Jr.Posted September 17, 2012 2:13 pm
I agree Exiled Yank! After the one handed beating he took Saturday though they’re not going to put that limited skilled, pampered, un-dedicated, mediocre at best fighter in the ring with someone like Golovkin. He’s the middleweight version of Wladimir Klitschko only much more exciting. Poor Golovkin is going to have a hard time getting any big marquee fights simply because he’s a monster puncher with skill.Posted September 17, 2012 2:10 pm
I’m starting to want the rematch even more now….curious as to how Martinez would do with two good hands.Posted September 17, 2012 2:09 pm
What fight did you watch? How could ANYONE have it “closer” than how it was scored? Martinez won rounds 1-11, CLEARLY!!! Lost the 12th, certainly, but winning 33 minutes of a 36 minute fight means you pretty much DOMINATED!Posted September 17, 2012 2:08 pm
Well said Lastletter! Unfortunately in this era of boxing nationalism sells and Chavez Jr. sells out arenas. Martinez should be fighting Pirog or Golovkin next or even Gaele but I don’t see any of those fights happening, especially against Golovkin. As great as Sergio is he’s very beatable and has shown vulnerabilities to pressure fighting/brawling. Golovkin is a seek and destroy brawler with very good skill, unlike most brawlers who try to street fight in a boxing ring.
Personally I see Martinez avoiding Golovkin simply because he hasn’t got a huge name like Jr. does so he and his team will view it as a high risk-low/no reward type of fight. I don’t think Sergio is afraid of Golovkin but the risk is much to high and he’ll gain very little other than personal satisfaction at picking up another title. I hate financial ducking in boxing as much as any other fan but it’s never been more commonplace in the sport than it is today.
Honestly I’d love to see Chavez Jr. fight Golovkin if Sergio won’t but after that ass whooping he got Saturday I don’t they’ll put him in with someone like Gennadiy. There is no way to justify or rationalize a rematch. Greed pure and simple. Unfortunatly people will buy it and Arum knows it.Posted September 17, 2012 2:06 pm
Many may say, “Why?”, when Martinez beat Chavez so thoroughly (according to the judges). Personally, i had the fight much closer and Martinez was lucky that the fight ended when it did. He would not have survived another round. I’d spring for a rematch between these two. The results may be the same, but it would not be a surprise if Chavez “figured out” Martinez and won the next match. This may also become a two out off three series, Either way, I think these two match up well and another fight or two is a great idea. Thanks.Posted September 17, 2012 2:05 pm
Gennadiy Gennadyevich Golovkin. The dude is dangerous, exciting, and had a helluva punch! At least on paper I think a Martinez/Golovkin fight look awesome! I think GGG gives Sergio a real battle.Posted September 17, 2012 1:59 pm
There is no way to justify a Martinez/Chavez Jr. rematch. Julio was finally exposed for what he is, a limited B- level fighter who relies on his size to win. Now with the exception of the final minute of round 12, Sergio dominated and the guy did it one handed! If the broken hand had anything to do with Sergio not stopping Jr., and I believe that was the case, what the hell is the point of a rematch? Chavez Jr. got schooled and beaten up badly. The fight was a huge mismatch plain and simple. Unless Chavez gets lucky again in a rematch the result will be very similar.
Chavez has had his momentary moment in the sun which hasn’t been bad for an undisciplined and mediocre brawler but he really needs to go back to fighting guys his team knows he can beat. Martinez on the other hand should move on. I don’t think he’ll get a Mayweather fight but he should be pursuing Golovkin (preferably), Pirog, Geale, etc. There’s plenty of unfinished business for him in the division.
I don’t understand how one knockdown that he couldn’t even capitalize on even warrants a rematch! People forget that it was 11 and a half rounds of pure domination by a more skillful and dedicated fighter. Moreover Martinez climbed off the canvas and recovered. It’s not like he won by the skin of his teeth or anything.Posted September 17, 2012 1:55 pm
We need this because Martinez broke his hand… so we don’t know for sure how badly Martinez could have kicked his ass if he were totally healthy. IPosted September 17, 2012 1:54 pm
This is the BS I don’t like. These guys aren’t even close to the same class and people talking about robbing us for another 50$ to see another one sided fight. It’s a disgrace to boxing that Chavez held that title. He is a flat out brutish bum. In the fight he showed he didn’t have the heart to swing at distance and waited till he got close, which was hardly ever. He knows he’s a bum and got lucky enough to hit serg with that shot when serg was just lulled to sleep by his Bumness. Chavez should either fight Golovkin, Pirog (Both I think would spark him) or atleast Peter Quillin before we have to witness another near shut out against Martinez. As for Serg another easy fight with Chavez is good for the bank account.Posted September 17, 2012 1:53 pm
Ridiculous!!! How long until he matches Chavez with Pac? It sounds unreal, but I wouldn’t put it past the greedy monger!Posted September 17, 2012 1:52 pm
When is Arum ever thinking about the fans?Posted September 17, 2012 1:48 pm
Who’s GGG?? :neutral:Posted September 17, 2012 1:47 pm
I’d let the promoters and fighters decide and the fans will follow like little lambs. What other fighters can fill a whole stadium beside those two? It was understood that Chavez did not train or was not disciplined enough for the fight and it probably showed in ring. Fight fans, like myself, want to know or are curious enough to want to see what happens with Martinez being able two use his uninjured hand and Chavez being ready for a fight with a properly executed serious training. Why not charge $49.95? Other fighters get that much and no one seems to care. I myself have never paid a dime on a PPV so that price or whatever one they want to charge won’t affect me. That is why they created YouTube and some other ways to see the same thing. But that’s me….Posted September 17, 2012 1:36 pm