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moonshineman

racism??????????? Everybody’s always talking about racism. Go get a job.

Posted August 13, 2013 12:08 pm 


moonshineman

Thurman talks funny.

Posted August 13, 2013 12:06 pm 


Hidalgo

“Bring on Andre Berto‚Ķ Berto could use another ass whipping from a light-skinned guy to go with the 3 he already has.”

LMAO!!

Posted August 12, 2013 12:25 am 


ray gordon reid

i never said any thing ractist

Posted August 11, 2013 1:30 pm 


Geronimo

There is also a real and increasing radical afrocentism going on positing that skin melanin has magical powers.

Posted August 11, 2013 11:06 am 


Anonymous

BUSTAJAY you’re so right!

Posted August 11, 2013 10:39 am 


BUSTAJAY

Well I enjoy all of you here and sad to say we are like family….fighting every day but still together the next day….LOL
TARK and Ernie need a hug…..from each other …..JK

Posted August 11, 2013 10:28 am 


Fritz

Unfortunately, racism has always been prominent in sports and boxing in particular. reverse racism has shown the likes of Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Maywether Jr., Floyd Sr., Roger Mayweather (Mexican Assassin), etc… have all been very outspoken about their superiority complex against white and/or lighter skinned people.

Posted August 11, 2013 10:18 am 


TARK

What does hairstyle have to do with anything??? Thurman can fight.. That’s the bottom line. He’s undefeated. He’s a top contender. He’s looking for a title shot or somebody who moves him closer to a title shot…

Bring on Andre Berto… Berto could use another ass whipping from a light-skinned guy to go with the 3 he already has.

Posted August 11, 2013 3:07 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

STFU Tard…

Posted August 10, 2013 11:14 pm 


Alonzo

What a headline–did he mean to say a high yeller? Virgil Hill anyone?

Posted August 10, 2013 10:07 pm 


TARK

Fight Aficionado…, You’re right. It’s a little weird to be talking about somebody’s skin color. What does it matter how light-shinned Thurman is? White guys and Latino guys also come in different shades — some very light-skinned, others darker, just in case Vivek never noticed.

For some reason I remembered the day after Foreman-Frazier. A co-worker said, “Foreman is lighter skinned than Frazier.. That’s why he smashed him so easy.. He has better blood lines.”

Nobody should encourage idiots like that.

Posted August 10, 2013 10:05 pm 


PEEJ

Like what was stated before I don’t care what color Thurman is, he looks to be the goods and I’ve enjoyed his last couple fights. Is he ready for the elite yet, na, but he is ready for the top B level fighters

Posted August 10, 2013 2:49 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I don’t get why the fact Thurman is light skinned warrants a headline. Who the hell cares? Maybe it matters to that chick Vivek was watching the fight with but she’s hardly a real boxing fan and her throw-away comments mean nothing.

Posted August 10, 2013 1:56 pm 


Anonymous

With that name Keith and that moniker “one time”, i would say Thurmans family is from the English speaking carribean

Posted August 10, 2013 7:34 am 


Tyrone Jones

Sounds like someboy took offense over an attractive light boy? Anyway, even white sports writers been writing to much about so called white-boys-cant-hit twitch muscles. Reminds me of this dude who took his Thurman colored son to the hood to learn some sweet science but they thought he wasnt slick enough to play so the boy proved them wrong anyway. So what did the coaches do? They invited him to his first official fight but not before elaborately falsifying his 50 pounds as 70 and his age of 8 as 11.

Posted August 10, 2013 5:57 am 


Joseph Herron

Urone2,

That’s what good fighters do…make the appropriate adjustments needed to defeat other good fighters. That’s who Diego Chaves was…a good fighter and a title holder.

I’m getting really tired of people discounting Thurman’s really impressive performance against a very confident fighter with world class power and a world class chin.

Anyone who knows what they were looking at couldn’t help but be impressed with Keith’s performance on July 27th.

Victor Ortiz couldn’t make the appropriate adjustments when faced with a similar test several years ago against a realitively unknown Argentine named Marcos Maidana.

Keith is turning out to be a very special fighter who has an underrated ring IQ and world class power…turns out that the kid a good beard too.

If you’re waiting for Keith Thurman to face a big name in the Welterweight division, keep waiting…because I don’t think any of the top fighters at 147 lbs are too anxious to face “One Time” anytime soon!!

Posted August 10, 2013 2:09 am 


urone2

Wow,

People did you read the article where the reference was made by someone who did not know who Thurman was. Light Skinned was the adjective use by a woman watching the fight to discribe him, Vivek used it in the article.

Now for me as far as Thurman being the Man the jury is still out for me. Thurman made adjustments in the fight but seemed to outlast Chaves more than beat him. Chavea was quicker and more accurate while he was fresh and seem to be beating Thurman handedly over the first 4 rounds, then as Chaves slowed things started to even up. I could have missed it did Thurman go to the body to slow Chaves if he did I missed it. Thurman hopefully learns from this fight to take some off his punches for accuracy instead of swinging for the fences with everything. I like Thurman and was pulling for him in the fight but I’m not sold on him as of yet.

Posted August 10, 2013 1:13 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

BUSTAJAY has it, what kind of idiots concern themselves with another person’s ancestry? Too much of that going on today…

Posted August 9, 2013 11:44 pm 


Joseph Herron

jermall looks strong…just KO’d Smith in the second round of a completely one sided fight. Antwone Smith only landed 8 of 30…Jermall landed 40 of 110…wow

Posted August 9, 2013 10:25 pm 


Joseph Herron

Antwone Smith is the Maria Sharapova of boxing…man, he’s a tough guy, but can be annoying at times!! No disrespect to Smith, but stop barking, Man!!

Posted August 9, 2013 10:12 pm 


Joseph Herron

Does anyone expect to see a game Sergei Liakhovich? he looked really bad last time out against a very athletic jennings, but his handlers claim that he overtrained for that fight.

If you remember, he trained for a fight with Eddie Chambers that was ultimately cancelled, and then stayed in the gym for a total of 12 weeks before facing Jennings.

Sergei showed all of the symptoms of a shot fighter when he faced jennings, but his handlers think it was merely a product of overtraining.

We will find out tonight!! Can’t wait!!

Posted August 9, 2013 10:09 pm 


Joseph Herron

Very well said, BustaJay!!

Enjoy the fights, guys…just about to start!!

Posted August 9, 2013 10:05 pm 


PEEJ

100% agree

Posted August 9, 2013 10:01 pm 


Joseph Herron

Your right, Peej…you have to consider the winner of matthysse/Garcia as the lineal Junior Welterweight Champ…Garcia currently holds that distinction.

Posted August 9, 2013 8:17 pm 


Joseph Herron

Truth, is your last question rhetorical?

Consider the source, brother. Does this really surprise you?

Posted August 9, 2013 8:15 pm 


Joseph Herron

If Alvarado becomes the first man to stop a tough guy like Ruslan, he will have a legitimate claim to the 140 pound throne.

He will have beaten Brandon Rios and Ruslan Provodnikov in the same year. That’s an impressive feat for any fighter at 140 or 147 lbs.

i just wish we could see the winner of Matthysse/Garcia face the winner of Pacquiao/Rios. Those would be great style match-ups!!

Posted August 9, 2013 8:10 pm 


TARK

If Matthysse beats Garcia he goes on to fight Floyd… Being on the undercard helps massively to cement him the next shot… Floyd would have to beat Canelo of course.

I don’t think an Alvarado win over Provodnikov means much — and I don’t expect it.. It would mean Alvarado gets the next shot at Bradley if he manages to beat Marquez.. If Provodnikov wins he should be looking at the Bradley Marquez winner as well.

You just never know when Marquez wants to retire. He already said he planned on being retired 5 years ago, but interesting fights keep popping up.

Posted August 9, 2013 7:44 pm 


PEEJ

Everybody is already saying Matthysse is the best. Garcia is the Champion. Not sure if he beats Ruslan he has that claim. He would need to have a rematch with Rios to determin that. He was getting beat pretty bad by Prescott till Prescott ran out of gas. I will go with the winner of Matthysse and Garcia and that will determine the best to me. Alvarado is good but to me he gave more of an impression he was running against Rios. I actually had Rios winning that fight.

Posted August 9, 2013 7:42 pm 


Joseph Herron

Absolutely, Tark.

We’re going to run into a rough patch when the matthysse/Garcia and Alvarado/Provodnikov battles are over and done with.

If Alvarado wins impressively, he will have a legitimate claim as the best 140 pound fighter. Unfortunately, a fight between Alvarado, should he be successful in October, and the eventual winner of Garcia/Matthysse is pretty much impossible at this point although there will be a justified demand from the fans.

Big quandary on the boxing horizon.

Posted August 9, 2013 7:34 pm 


TARK

Boxing is putting on some the best fights ever made.. The Bradley-Provodikov fight was dynamite.. The Matthysse-Garcia fight should be unbelievable.. Can you imagine Broner-Maidana or Broner-Thurman? The next couple years should be very interesting.

Posted August 9, 2013 7:23 pm 


Joseph Herron

Great post once again, Luke.

i miss Emanuel every day…by the way, he hated it when people called him Manny…lol

Sugar is a carbon copy of Emanuel and is the most underrated trainer in boxing as a result. He does everything exactly like Emanuel.

The new Kronk should be opening up very soon.

Posted August 9, 2013 6:43 pm 


Proud African

Keith Thurman, a great up-and-coming fighter. Good luck to him.

Posted August 9, 2013 6:41 pm 


Luke

Miss Manny’s humble yet authoritative perspective on the air – he was the man! And, trainer of probably my fav fighter of all time, Tommy Hearns!! The Kronk gym was hot back then, and for ‘Manny years to come!!’

Posted August 9, 2013 6:20 pm 


Joseph Herron

I’ve also been fortunate to learn from great trainers like Ronnie Shields, James Gogue, Robert Garcia, and Joe Lopez, just to name a few.

Posted August 9, 2013 6:08 pm 


Joseph Herron

Great post, Luke!!

Jim learned from the same teacher that I had…Emanuel Steward.

Just being around Emanuel taught me a lifetime of boxing knowledge…I was so lucky to be able to work with him and Sugar the final year of his life. Being around him made me a better person all around.

Posted August 9, 2013 6:01 pm 


Luke

Herron-good comments ’bout writers taking it to the next level, getting in the gym and learning the game from the inside. Take Broadcaster Jim Lampley for instance…when he first started, he was a blow hard with a broad brush who went on and on like a used car salesmen. Over time, a transformation with lamps ocurred and he became much more insightful. And, I really think the trans came about from time in the gym. Steve Farhood is another guy. After u forgive him for his radio face, he shows a knowledge level that is at times impressive, and I think there is only one place that it came from…a quality gym.

Posted August 9, 2013 5:51 pm 


Joseph Herron

Unfortunately most fight scribes and boxing fans look at recognizable names and resumes rather than competition and individual performance.

Thurman’s victory over Chaves was one of the most impressive performances we’ve seen from any Welterweight this year. But because most had never heard of the hard punching Argentine, Thurman isn’t getting the kind of credit that he deserves from that KO victory.

One of the reasons why most writers and fans focus heavily on resume, is because they really can’t properly assess style match-ups and ability in the ring.

It’s sad but true.

Most boxing scribes have the same access that I do with trainers and fighters, but choose not to spend the time learning the sweet science in the gym. They would much rather spend their time talking to other writers who really don’t know the sport that well about who wins a certain mythical match-up.

I believe it’s a matter of humility. Because if you have the opportunity to learn more about the sport from the best trainers and fighters in the world, why wouldn’t you?

Posted August 9, 2013 5:17 pm 


Tomato Can

Thurman is looking pretty good. He showed tuffness and resilience in his last fight. While I think he’ll beat most at 147, including Guerrero, I’m still on the fense with him a little bit.

Posted August 9, 2013 5:09 pm 


Joseph Herron

JMM/Bradley as well!!

Posted August 9, 2013 5:06 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

What 8 or 9 to 5? But of course…

Posted August 9, 2013 4:40 pm 


TARK

Bradley and Provodnikov… And Matthysse when he moves to 147. Those guys should be favored ovre Thurman at the moment… Keith’s defense still has a couple holes, but he’s making great strides. A fight with Broner is winnable … barely.

Posted August 9, 2013 4:05 pm 


RAY GORDON REID

WLAD VS PROVENTIN OCT 5 2003

Posted August 9, 2013 4:05 pm 


Joseph Herron

Robert is an awkward style match-up for most, but Keith is mature beyond his years. He really impressed me with his previous performance against a very hard punching and underrated fighter in Diego Chaves.

Robert is somewhat of a chameleon in the ring, but Keith is a real Welterweight with crushing KO power and underrated boxing skills. His footwork and overall ring intelligence was very impressive on July 27th.

I don’t see anyone but Floyd or Manny beating Thurman right now at 147 lbs.

Posted August 9, 2013 3:35 pm 


Luke

One time vs ghost…’the stage that stars are typically born on’…so if one time wins, yet never gains a major strap, a star is born?!!! My acc!!! Vito…in this day n age, a boxer doesn’t graduate to star status until unifying a division and/or conquering multiple divisions. I like one time, but Vivy’s gonna make him a star before he gets a belt!! U stupit VIVY!! And, get rid of your redundancies, repetitions, and repetitious behavior. Know what I mean? Get a clue son!

Posted August 9, 2013 2:53 pm 


TARK

If and when the light skinned guy meets the lighter skinned Ghost, the light skinned guy will triumph.

That is, if light skinned Lou Moret isn’t the referee.

Posted August 9, 2013 1:51 pm 


FEARS

Chaves was a very tough test, but Thurman passed it impressively. I would love to see Thurman/Guerrero and I think Thurman will win. Guerrero was a good lightweight, but he waaayyy overrated as a Welter due to the way he beat Berto, but Berto went overrated and over the hill for a while now, as evidenced by his losses to B fighters such as Ortiz and Soto Karrass. Thurman would probably be the one to send Guerrero back 135 or 140 where he belongs if he wants to be an elite competitor. After beating Guerrero, I would like to see Thurman/Broner, but I doubt if Broner will have anything to do with Thurman. I also want to see more of Chaves.

Posted August 9, 2013 1:46 pm 


murderman

Thurman can beat anybody at 147 not named floyd!

Posted August 9, 2013 1:36 pm 


Truth

Vivek; it’s not “light-skinned”, it’s “light-skin-ded.”

Posted August 9, 2013 12:16 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

c’mon Broner, let’s see what happens when you step in with a guy who has some power.

Posted August 9, 2013 12:15 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Keith comes to fight…

Posted August 9, 2013 11:39 am 


PEEJ

Don’t really know that. That is they point of building a fighter up. He never was built up. He fought weak opposition and then thrown in there with better fighters. Got to learn to crawl before walking. Plus he had a terrible corner

Posted August 9, 2013 11:11 am 


wutupdoe

Doesn’t matter how Berto was brought up. He would’ve never became elite.

Posted August 9, 2013 10:29 am 


PEEJ

From what I can see Thurman seems to be the real deal and looks like he will be around for years to come. His last fight was a good fight, they are bringing him up the correct way. Unfortunately Berto was not brought up this way which is why he can’t seem to get past high B type of fighters. Guerrero would be a good fight for Thurman.

Posted August 9, 2013 9:37 am 


tacoBENDER

1 TIME!!! Thurman’s the MAN!!! 1 time!!!

Posted August 9, 2013 8:43 am 


icerock 68

Thurman is the man!!!!

Posted August 9, 2013 7:49 am 


Jay rock

I think Thurnan needs to win this fight or people will say he is a hype job lol

Posted August 9, 2013 7:47 am 


BUSTAJAY

His last fight was EXCITING to watch!!
Knock EM dead my light skin friend

Posted August 9, 2013 7:40 am 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Every fighter in history had to start out somewhere before being presented with their first test. Thurman is no different so I don’t understand the knock on him. I feel like he should actually get a lot of praise for his last fight. Yes Chaves wasn’t someone we all knew but if you look closely at that fight you could tell he had some skills and he had power himself. He was giving Thurman lots of trouble; but somehow Thurman found a way to turn it all around and he got him up out of there. He could have easily wilted under the pressure Chaves was putting on him and fell to pieces but he did not. He kept his composure and he kept chopping away at him and making the necessary adjustments until he got him out of there. That’s an ATTRIBUTE you want to see in an UP AND COMING FIGHTER; so again; I don’t understand what the issue here is. If he kept just knocking them out with ease you would say OH; WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE FACES SOMEONE HE CAN’T JUST RUN THROUGH; well in the last fight he SHOWED YOU so what’s the PROBLEM?????

Posted August 9, 2013 7:09 am 


Pissedawthetime

Thurman is the real deal.

Posted August 9, 2013 6:37 am 


Duran

Can’t tell ya’ how many times me and the guys have said,”who’s that light-skinned guy with the long hair”, its practically all we talk about.

Posted August 9, 2013 6:30 am 



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