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IF CANELO GETS THE NOD over Floyd, please let us all know what his next 5 bouts should be?

Or do you not think he and his camp will CHERRYPICK as you say their way through the field?

I am very interestied in learning who you think he should step into the ring with?

Posted August 8, 2013 12:28 pm 

Supreme Court

ey Anonymouse,
You can attempt to impersonate the Supreme Court all you want, you don’t have the grey matter to be successful…
The Highest Court is unique….
Remember this:
” The ship follows the shepherd…”

“Petit vaurien de Don Quichotte qui lutte contre les moulins a vents”

Posted August 8, 2013 8:34 am 



Truth is i’ve been on this site and others calling for many reforms in boxing…

The advent of the PPV has seduced the fans into thinking they were actually getting the best topline fights, when in reality we were being brainwashed by the PT BARNUMS we know as BOB ARUM, GOLDEN BOY, SHOWTIME & HBO, who were makig the most bucks out of us by offering us the least, packaged as though we were being given gold.

It’s the oldest trick in the game and we the fans always fall for it.

As bad as the Alphabet boys are, there used to be a rule (which no longer seems to apply) that the champion would face his mandatory challenger at least once every 12 months… Only exceptional circumstances would allow for this not to happen and otherwise the champ would be stripped.

With PPV money a fighter now only fights once or twice a year and in your words is allowed to CHERRYPICK his most LUCRATIVE opponent… PLEASE remember LUCRATIVE does NOT mean best, or most dangerous….

This is why since the mid 90’s as cable TV, pay-TV took off boxing has had a proliferation of titles, alphabet boys and parasites all jumping on the bandwahon to get their pounds/dollars worth….

It’s no longer a sport but a ruthless business designed to part us – the fans (or is that fools) with our hard-earned cash…..

If a decent fight breaks out then that is just an added bonus….

This is why we are fooled into thinking that two C Grade fighters prepared to risk brain damage and other long term illnesses and injuries, by standing in front of each otehr and belting the living crap out of each other with little or no finesse is deemed worthy of payperview, when we could see a similar but far higher standard of scenario with two A GRADE fighters waging a spectacular war but armed with skill, finesse, bravery, guts, determination and every thing that is good about boxing for free….

We did that with the 14 round slugfest in WILFREDO GOMEZ vs LUPE PINTOR (one of the greatest fights I’ve ever seen)!!!

I SEE GOOD – Every fighter today is a CHERRY PICKER……

Go through their records!

Posted August 8, 2013 3:17 am 


“Mayweather by decision.” Yeah, I already beat you on that call. While you were THINKING about it I was KNOWING about it.

Posted August 8, 2013 2:09 am 


“You have also been known to blatantly lie and to also attempt to twist the facts when the one you picked to win doesn’t. We’ve all seen you do this and called you out on it numerous times. You don’t know squat about the truth”-GOOD guesses but I know MUCH about the TRUTH and thats why I tell it…I haven’t been known to lie and to twist FACTS. I’ve been THOUGHT to. And thats why thinking is LESSER than KNOWING. I’m not wrong very much and have NO need to lie. My WINNING record speaks for itself….Mayweather by decision.

Posted August 8, 2013 12:52 am 

I see Good

TJ you dont see canelo calling himself #1 p4v king. Floyd fights are hand pick. canelo has skills, CANELO IS YOUNG, CANELO can PUNCH. And Canelos defence isnt that bad either. Floyd has faster hands thats all. Floyd doesnt KNOW what to do. Canelo isnt OLD PAST HIS PRIME, Canelo has SKILLS.. Yes CHERRY PICKER doesnt KNOW what to do. BECAUSE CHERRYPICKER has HAND PICK FIGHTS ALL HIS CAREER. Sept 14th wont be a WALK IN THE PARK FOR CHERRYPICKER as his PAST 30 fights. Watch CHERRYPICKER RUN ALL NIGHT. Hes been EXPOSED as a COWARD. NOT fighting the BEST in their PRIME. FACTS are FACTS More people are WAKING up now to CHERRYPICKERS matches. SHOWTIME isnt STUPID. They are on to CHERRYPICKER. After Canelo KNOCKS his cherrypicking ass out. Cherrypicker will RETIRE And the WHOLE WORLD will REMEMBER FLOYD MAYWEATHER the guy that DUCK PACMAN the GREAT.

Posted August 7, 2013 7:21 pm 



Posted August 7, 2013 3:11 pm 

Old Yank

FYI — The Dawson/Hops decision was reversed because Ref. Pat Russell (after commending me on my defense of him), agreed to change his story in teh 11th hour. Had Pat Russell stuck to his guns and not caved to commission (or other) pressure, the decision would have stood. Also note that I come and go as I please — and the go in my last departure was to sell another one of my businesses — the 5th business sale of my career. And then I immediately startede another. I’m back (don’t know for how long) because I’m a boxing fan whore/addict and needed a fix.

Posted August 7, 2013 3:02 pm 

Old Yank

Rapid and others — Thanks for the welcome!

Posted August 7, 2013 2:55 pm 


“I tell the TRUTH ” You have also been known to blatantly lie and to also attempt to twist the facts when the one you picked to win doesn’t. We’ve all seen you do this and called you out on it numerous times. You don’t know squat about the truth.

Posted August 7, 2013 2:50 pm 


I think Alvarez’s power is overrated.

Posted August 7, 2013 2:12 pm 




At least four of these guys were career Welterweights or under –
Two of them were just under or just over 40 years old and most of them had seen better days.

Are you going to call CANELO a CHERRYPICKER also????

I’m just stirring the pot….

If you call out one man, you gotta call out all of them.

Posted August 7, 2013 9:45 am 



Only a few short months ago when SAUL CANELO ALAVAREZ had just stepped out of the ring with a washed-up KERMIT CINTRON, 3 bouts and only 18 months ago this site was AWASH with posters slagging him off as the most protected boxer in boxing.

Now, after 3 bouts with SUGAR SHANE MOSLEY, JOSESITO LOPEZ and latterly AUSTIN TROUT most posters arte now saying he is one step removed from THE SECOND COMING!!!!

YOU can’t have it both ways….
So, which one is it guys?

I remember people asking when’s he going to face someone his own size and weight instead of CHERRYPICKING and beating up on Welterweights?????

Come on, you all know you’re lying if you say you didn’t….

CANELO himself was a Weleterwight only 3 years ago…

I have nothing against people saying he ‘s going to win, but please don’t jump ship like a rat in the night and fess up!

CINNAMON had more haters on here than Floyd, but the moment he signed the contract it’s like the whole world flipped and all those CANELO HATERS suddenly became CANELO lovers….

Please can one of you turncoats have the guts to come on here and tell us why the U-TURN?????

Come on guys…. You know who you are….. Man up!!!!

Posted August 7, 2013 9:39 am 

I see Good

END OF TIME Right on bro. But Canelo isnt RATED Number#1 P4V. Cherrypicker is. My My MY the public eats up this crap about cherrypicker. The GIGS UP, from NOW on Show Time is making cherrypicker fight a gOOD OPPONENT

Posted August 7, 2013 4:37 am 

I see Good

TARK Mayweather will NOW call out BERTO. WHY? because bERTO is done he is SHOT.. And the PUBLIC will eat it up. Did you see how fast floyd was!! ha ha ha

Posted August 7, 2013 4:32 am 

I see Good

TARK what DRUGS are you on. Floyd GOAT???? Floyd GOAT in cherrypicking. Canelo is SMART he isnt afraid of a smaller OLD guy like Cherrypicker. Canelo KNOWS cherrypickers RECORD fighting NO BODIES OR OLD past their PRIME greats. Canelo is NOT tupid HE KNOWS the SCORE. HE KNOWS that CHERRYPICKER HAS DOUBTS. Because FLOYD only fights the GUYS he KNOWS he can BEAT. Floyd has DOUBTS now. It could go either, but it wont be a WALK in the park for cherrypicker like MOST of his fights

Posted August 7, 2013 4:25 am 

I see Good

To ALL cherrypicking CLOWNS out there. Cherrypickers DEFENCE isnt that GREAT. OLD OSCAR JAB cherrypickers head off for the first 5 rounds. OLD WORN OUT MOSLEY TAG cherrypicker.. I dont see that there isnt much difference in defence from Cherrypicker to Canelo. I blieve FLOYD has FASTER HAND speed. Canelo HITS harder so that EVENS it up. Either WAY Cherrypicker is in a REAL fight first time in his carrer. Showtime FORCED Cherrypicker into this fight OTHER WISE this FIGHT would never of happen. I hope Canelo KNOCKS this CHERRYPICKING PHONEY OUT

Posted August 7, 2013 4:19 am 

de Lima I.

No, I guess my first thought was right. If FMJ wins, then he wins only by UD and SA only by stoppage.

Posted August 7, 2013 3:56 am 


“Nathan…. Floyd can be beaten on points. The fact is, ANY boxer in fistic history could be beaten on points.

Nobody put a good fight together against Floyd… Doesn’t mean nobody will.”


Have you considered the same could be said for against CANELO???

Floyd also possesses a great jab and armed with his footwork can land it on bigger and taller opponents to the head and the body!!!

Posted August 7, 2013 3:26 am 



I AGREE WITH YOU…. boxing these days unfortunately is about making the most cash for the least buck…. fighters aren’t really fighters anuymore. they’re business men. nothing wrong in that, but please don’t try to fool the public that you are anything else!

We won’t really get anymore boxers who dominate a weight class, because as soon as the money is right or they want to avoid a decent challenge at their weight they have the ready-made ezxcuse of moving up for a fresh challenge!

Posted August 7, 2013 3:22 am 


I tell the TRUTH and state the FACTS all day long. And someone needing a bathroom break is no factor in that.

Posted August 7, 2013 2:20 am 


Canelo is a certain size.. On fight night he can’t come in light.. He has to come in at his best weight if possible and not train down too fine. Training down too fine doesn’t make you faster, it just taps your energy and strength, which actually makes you slower and less powerful.

Posted August 7, 2013 2:19 am 


Goofamundo, come up for air every now and then, Floyd needs a bathroom break.

Posted August 7, 2013 1:48 am 


As far as your weight QUICKNESS will be more of an asset than POWER in this Fight SO come in light. Come IN under 160 on Fight night IF you CAN. Being more than 10 lbs slower than Mayweather is not to be advised. You have to be as QUICK as a LW to beat Floyd SO leave that 170 lbs + body at home.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:48 pm 


Floyd is the KING of nullification. SO Canelo mustn’t get frustrated at the inevitable lack of production from most of his attacks… He’s got to prepare for a bout where one shot here or there WINS the round. ..Remember Floyd’s Defense is at least TWICE as GOOD as Trout’s and he’s the smaller target. And also remember that this is a CHESS player you’re facing not Checkers. SO set your second half of the Fight punches UP in the First half of the Fight. Create a game plan where you can checkmate him in the Championship rounds where there’s not much time left in the bout to adjust….Learn from Judah and Mosley who came with their BEST TOO early which gave Floyd time to adjust and then dominate. Bring your A game from the opening bell but Save your BEST for LAST and hope that its enough.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:43 pm 


Bark… What Canelo needs to do is box up to his abilities and forget all about Floyd being the GOAT… He needs to reach Floyd with jabs… He needs to get his right uppercut counter working.. He needs to throw straight right leads like the one that dropped Trout.. He needs to move his feet easy, well balanced, and quickly.. When he lands he needs to follow up well and change up his combinations like he’s noted for.. He fooled Trout quite a few times.. And if and when he gets a chance he needs to hammer Floyd right into the canvas.

What he can’t do is think, “OMG!!! This is Floyd Mayweather Jr.”

Posted August 6, 2013 10:53 pm 

Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoopcide

We got him!!!!
Dear posters, below is the DNA-like proof that the ESB idiot who calls himself anonymous is the impostor of this website:

Like all idiots, he made the final mistake, read the two posts below, consecutively posted on this thread:

Supreme Court aka the highest court aka nincompoopcide

Te DUmbo-your assenine statements of ginger boy dominating Trout are profusely idiotic… Your shallow La Raza vail of defending all your mex fighters is so transparent it’s laughable… All these years PAC PAC pacquiao has destroyed your mex boys thR you bum must still be sore you cannot even walk straight. All you can do is to resort to accusing PAC to using PEDs to resolve your cognitive dissonance. ..Marquez did well, but he still smoked all your ” Rama” – I’m the greatest Phd bioengineer.
Posted August 5, 2013 8:25 pm



Te DUmbo-your assenine statements of ginger boy dominating Trout are profusely idiotic… Your shallow La Raza vail of defending all your mex fighters is so transparent it’s laughable… All these years PAC PAC pacquiao has destroyed your mex boys thR you bum must still be sore you cannot even walk straight. All you can do is to resort to accusing PAC to using PEDs to resolve your cognitive dissonance. ..Marquez did well, but he still smoked all your ” Rama” – I’m the greatest Phd bioengineer.
Posted August 5, 2013 8:24 pm

Posted August 6, 2013 9:40 pm 


Canelo needs to do what Spart 65 said to do. Hit the shoulder, wing and ribs, all night long. Otherwise he wastes his time head hunting the elusive Floyd Jr. Hit what he gives you, and maybe in the late rounds something opens up.

Posted August 6, 2013 8:21 pm 


I thought Zavek seemed to be on his way to beating Berto until his eye swelled up and they stopped the fight.

Posted August 6, 2013 8:19 pm 



PLEASE TELL ME WHICH DIVISIONS Manny Pacquiao has cleaned out?”

The conversation was about Mayweather, not Pacquiao. All this GOAT discussion BS. It’s just BS and that’s the argument I was making.

But Pac has done the same thing as Floyd, especially in the jr. middleweight division where he fought Cheatarito for a vacant title, won it, then immediately vacated it. He went for the title just because it was there but after fighting Margarito he realized he was way too small to fight in that division.

Posted August 6, 2013 7:46 pm 


Ahh Yesssss.. Andre Berto… Got whipped by Ortiz, Guerrero, and KO’d by Soto Karass.. Three moderately tough guys with no technical skills whatever … and he winds up with 3 losses…

The only guy he whipped in his last 4 fights was the horrendous Jan Zavek… Joe Herron called Zavek “a very good boxer” and predicted he would beat Berto… That’s when I had too much and hammered Herron on his foolish and uninformed prediction.. I told him Berto was going to score an easy and early KO.. I don’t even remember the fight except that Berto was kicking ass for a change.

Berto is bad… but he’s not THAT bad. There are some fighters out there he can beat … but you no longer get a Floyd fight for whipping up on Berto.

Posted August 6, 2013 7:34 pm 


Floyd has Boxing’s CROWN on his head and Boxing’s throne is underneath his BUTT. All the talk here can’t change it…IF being #1 P4P makes you a disgrace then everyone else needs to learn how to be a disgrace TOO…IF Berto was a disgrace like Floyd maybe he would have beaten Ortiz and Guerrero like Floyd DID.

Posted August 6, 2013 4:39 pm 


Nathan…. Floyd can be beaten on points. The fact is, ANY boxer in fistic history could be beaten on points.

Judah started well, but lost his resolve completely. If you have an ATG enough jab you can score a lot of points on Floyd—no boxer can perfectly defend a masterful jab… If you land a snappy enough jab up Floyd’s nose you force him to blink — and you can shoot a follow up punch in there… Cotto jabbed Floyd smack in the nose a lot, but I was amazed he didn’t jab Floyd in the belly… It was right there for him… When Mosley nailed Floyd he didn’t follow up well… He seemed shocked that he hurt Floyd and displayed the cool of a 4-round fighter… Shane never showed me the killer instinct—except when an angry Mosley obliterated MargaCheato… If you nail Floyd you have keep your brain working … and attack with cold fury.

Nobody put a good fight together against Floyd… Doesn’t mean nobody will.

Posted August 6, 2013 4:03 pm 


Spartacus 65 I have no clue who you are but you are very likable. I like the way you greet people on here and you are a very civil debater. Rarely seen. And let me return that shout out

Posted August 6, 2013 2:46 pm 

end of time

Floyd is boxing’s clown. I know mayweather fans are empressed with his cotton ball collection of a record, but those who are true boxing fans and know what they are watching have witnessed the cherry picking show. Floyd is a outcast and disgrace. Canelo is also a cherry collector who now will battle for the cherry pit.

Posted August 6, 2013 2:17 pm 

de Lima I.

Who has the higher chance to win by stoppage ?

FMJ, who’s no KO artist, but a good body puncher or

SA, who has great punching power ?

Posted August 6, 2013 12:08 pm 

spartacus 65

Bruce, Good day champ. Know something? You might just be right about that my friend. Canelo loses, it says in a sense, volumes about the state of the talent level in the sport. Cheers.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:58 am 

spartacus 65

Hey Peej,shout out to you champ. Hope all is well. Cheers mate.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:32 am 

spartacus 65

Goodmorning gentlemen. It’s okay in my book to be a fan of an athlete. You admire tjeir skills in a particular sport or competition. That’s why we are called fans. However its a whole different development wjen you cross the line over to FANATIC. That appears to be the case with a few, not all Mayweather admirers.on thus site. I don’t see any issue with perhap disputing a fellow on a particular issue you may be in disagreement with, Pacquiao, Mayweather etc…Par for the course I suppose. That’s fine. What seems to be off the hook is when a fellow completely denigrates other fighters to the point of just sheer childish meanspiritedness if someone has the audacity to give a perhaps view point that a Mayweather enthusiast doesn’t like. That in my book is really schoolyard grade school mentality. I don’t have ti name names but im sure most of you gentlemen know the usual suspects. Anyhow shout out to the soldiers out there, Hidalgo,Junio, lionking, Donovan, Hecdog, Tj, Adrian etc… Peace and strength

Posted August 6, 2013 11:29 am 

de Lima I.

I said “SA’s chance to stop FMJ is higher than FMJ’s chance to stop SA.”

Maybe I was wrong, FMJ is a good body puncher —

Kill the body and the head will fall.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:25 am 



Posted August 6, 2013 11:19 am 


Well you can stop putting me in that boat. I don’t claim that he is the GOAT, I just say he is the best fighter of our time. That is it.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:06 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Once Floyd’s or any fighter’s career is over, then the prime can be decided, not til then…

Posted August 6, 2013 10:35 am 



PLEASE TELL ME WHICH DIVISIONS Manny Pacquiao has cleaned out?

Who did he beat at the lightwer weights?

He won his Lightweight belt vs the C-Level paper champion DAVID DIAZ, when EDWIN VALERO (yes, let’s not go there) was wreaking havoc… Many of the so-called titles he won were of the vacant variety or against people that none of us can remember!

He won his Super Welterweight crown vs MARGARITO who had just come off of a long ban, when neither fighter should have been ranked for another vacant world title!

As, I’ve said before boxing nowadays is a joke and the fighters of yesteryear would probably be even more dominant than they were if they competed in today’s version of fractured baubels!

Posted August 6, 2013 9:18 am 


Can’t be done on points…..

Posted August 6, 2013 8:52 am 


No fighter will out think, out box or out condition Floyd period!!!!
However I think ( just an opinion only) the only way to beat Floyd is by KO ( can be done on points he’s too good).

Firstly: you will have to get it done before the bell rings for the 6th round, by then he has figured you out and you have already lost.

Secondly: Fight dirty, be willing to have a point or two deducted but not enough to be DQ.

Thirdly: Maul him pick him up and throw him into the corner ( see secondly for point deductions) then pound on his guard until it breaks down, smash on his shoulders, chest and body this will take the famous shoulder roll out of the equation.

Finally: KO him

Simple Yes :)

Posted August 6, 2013 8:52 am 


“I see good – perhaps you can tell us just when was Mayweathers prime considering the fact that he is 36yrs old now?”

In my opinion, Happyboy, It was likely when Floyd was a super featherweight. He won the WBC title in 1998 then successfully defended it eight times over a period of three years. That’s how he got his super champion status. He’s neither attempted nor done anything like that, in any weight division, since then. He fought briefly as a lightweight, even less as a light welterweight. Until fairly recently, Floyd has fought sporadically as a welterweight, even more sporadically as a jr. middleweight. So I’d say when he was fighting as a super featherweight was when he was at his boxing best. But I guess it depends on a person’s individual interpretation of “prime.”

Posted August 6, 2013 8:31 am 


“Floyd is the GOAT and it isn’t even CLOSE.” In your mind maybe. Let’s see how he’s rated 25 years from now. Today’s ratings are the impulse. Tomorrow’s ratings will be proven by the test of time, after people have calmed down, gotten off the hype train, and starting thinking more clearly. Floyd has never cleaned out a division. He may have a bunch of titles in a bunch of divisions. but he never beat all the champs in any division, nor even all the top contenders. His greatest stint was at super featherweight and four measley fights in the lightweight division–two of those fights being against the same guy. He spent a very brief and unspectacular time in the light welterweight division. As a welterweight, he cheated on his weight against one of the biggest names and best fighters in the sport and has become known for his extremely long layoffs from the sport, his boring fights, and for cherry-picking his opponents. Earlier in his career, he had a history of winning fights with the help of pain numbing injections while his opponents were fighting with no aids at all–xylocaine is a PED because it enhanced Floyd’s performances. Floyd was fighting and winning with the aid of a chemical substance. To top it all off, Floyd has never made a fight with his other contemporary great–Manny Pacquiao–and that asterisk will forever be by his name. You don’t have to admit all this but you should because it is the TRUTH–something you’re always spouting off about. If Floyd is a GOAT he’s an artificial GOAT. Wait, that would be GOAT*.

Posted August 6, 2013 8:18 am 


I see Good-Nope. Cherry making is CHERRY MAKING..Jesus is the WINE maker and Floyd is the cherry MAKER…No one has ever turned 10 CHAMPS into CHERRIES in 12 straight Fights since this Earth was formed. WOW!!!! Floyd is not only a cherry MAKER he’s a History MAKER. Floyd is the GOAT and it isn’t even CLOSE. How many guys have even beaten 5 CHAMPS in 12 straight Fights????

Posted August 6, 2013 6:59 am 


Floyd is the GOAT and there’s no one who can match him at THIS time. 10 CHAMPS in 12 Fights is Unprecedented throughout Boxing History. That’s called facing High level competition in the Sport. Also Facing 5 Top 10 P4P Fighters in 7 Fights is Unprecedented throughout Boxing History. That’s called facing ELITE level competition. And that’s not ALL…… Becoming a CHAMP in 5 Divisions while remaining UNDEFEATED is Unprecedented in Boxing History. When you put that all together thats called GOATNESS….We’ve still got a little more than 5 weeks till the Biggest Fight of the YEAR. I’ll have plenty opportunity to list a lot more FACTS that makes Floyd the GOAT that I don’t care to list now….The fans are in for a real TREAT here. Canelo vs Floyd is the BEST Fight that can happen at 154 right now. This is a PRIMETIME Boxing match with MUCH SKILLS and Boxing IQ…..This is the BEST vs. the BEST. BEST in the Sport vs. BEST at 154….Perfect matchup to back UP my statement that Boxing is a Sport. Not a Division. The BEST in the Sport vs the BEST in a Division. May the BEST man WIN.

Posted August 6, 2013 6:52 am 


I see good – perhaps you can tell us just when was Mayweathers prime considering the fact that he is 36yrs old now?

Posted August 6, 2013 6:52 am 

I see Good

Te Tumbo I AM A CANELO FAN CANELOS BIGGEST FAN> CANELO KNOCK DOWN TROUT IN THE 7TH. But Trout came back strong in that round I made it a 10/9 round for Canelo.

Posted August 6, 2013 6:25 am 

I see Good

CORECTOMUNDO Yeah 10 exchamps PAST THEIR PRIME. You forgot to mention that also. Cherry picking is CHERRYPICKING

Posted August 6, 2013 6:22 am 

I see Good

YourDad The point being even IF cherrypicker wins. I DOUBT IT. But if he dos it will a real fight. Evenly match NOT a USUAL HAND pick fight that FLOYD ALWAYS has. It will be at least competative.

Posted August 6, 2013 6:18 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Never said that FMJ it not a great fighter. In fact, I keep having to repeat that he’s one the greatest boxers of his era. However, he is not the GOAT and never will be. Big difference between being one of the best fighters of your era and being the GOAT.

Posted August 6, 2013 2:29 am 


For all the Canelo apologists below, he’s getting beat.
Talk him up, put down Floyd.
Floyd is going to break the kids spirit.
Floyd has never fought anyone like Canelo?
Canelo has never fought ANYONE like Floyd

Posted August 6, 2013 2:19 am 


The thing that makes Floyd a better boxer than Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, and Hearns is defense…

Face it… None of them were a Willie Pep… a Gene Tunney… a Tabiso Mchunu… a Vitali Klitschko… a Guillermo Rigondeaux… a Mikey Garcia… a Larry Holmes… or an Andre Ward on defense.

Floyd defends better than all of these ATG defenders … and each of them leave Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, and Hearns in the dust when we’re talking masterful defensive skills.

Posted August 6, 2013 2:08 am 


Sorry but Floyd is a great fighter. His resume is better than Pacs. So no matter how you spin it Floyd is still a great fighter. You can claim he hand picks opponents all you want. You can name any of your favorite fighters and I can break there records down also. Of course he is gonna say he is the beat. What is he gonna say someone else is better than him? Why? If that’s how he feels then that’s how he feels. Any sports figure feels they are the best. That’s how sports people think. When I play basketball I always think I’m the best player on the floor and if there is someone that thinks they are better than me that’s who I’m guarding. They gonna have to prove it. So until some proves Floyd otherwise he will continue to think that

Posted August 6, 2013 1:57 am 


“that record that you hold your hat on was always weak and worthless. “-That’s what Pacquiao thought until he TRIED it. And guess what??? It wasn’t as EASY as Floyd makes it LOOK. That’s why Pacquiao ended UP getting out Boxed, ROBBED, and then knocked out . No one else has the BALLS to even TRY it. Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, and Hearns SURE didn’t TRY it.

Posted August 6, 2013 1:41 am 


Round 7 of the Alvarez-Trout Fight was a solid 10-8 round for Canelo… You get 2 points for a round you score a knockdown in — unless your opponent does something significant in that round such as rock, stagger, or hurt you with a punch, or battle back like crazy.. Knockdowns are unusual events other than in a mismatch… You get a lot of credit for them and the remainder of the round was fought on fairly even terms.

Posted August 6, 2013 1:18 am 

end of time

correctamundo that record that you hold your hat on was always weak and worthless. like peej you want to rely on worthless opposition wins and you play the numbers game like a bad day at the bingo hall. sounds like you and peej play tennis together at the ymca boosting eachouther up about may’s penny rock collection.

Posted August 6, 2013 1:07 am 


10 CHAMPS in his last 12 Fights thats WHO he beat. And on top of that he has beaten 4 Top 10 P4P opponents in his last 6 Fights and its about to be 5 out of his last 7. WOW!!!! Ali, Robinson, and Leonard SURE can’t match it.

Posted August 6, 2013 12:55 am 

te tumbo

“Funny how the commentators felt Trout won the rest of the round”. it’s actually a shame since it’s what’s wrong with boxing broadcasts. it was wishful commentating on the part of Bernstein and Paulie whose commentating i actually prefer but it was jus too obvious who they wanted to win: the American fighter. ultimately, they bungled the broadcast by calling Trout’s anticipated success without it actually happening. i’ll concede that Trout’s lack of efficacy was deceptive. he always seemed to be on the verge of doing what he obviously prepared to do but Canelo was simply a lot better than he imagined and it was Canelo who exploited the situation with breakaway defense and ring-generalship. at the final bell, you looked back and thought that Trout never really had a chance. he never even got close. that is the lasting impression of this fight.

Posted August 6, 2013 12:52 am 

end of time

peeee j i dont think its hate. May has been controversial for so many reasons. one reason is his mouth. He makes all these stupid claims of being the best who ever stepped in that ring. He blabs that he is better than ali robinson and ray leanord. One thing for sure is May has never took on true opposition and he did a wind sprint away from PAC. may really hasnt really did anything great. he wins because he has hand picked his opponents for years. that is smart and its dumb. smart because it keeps the belts and the money. dumb because nobody looks at him as more than avereage. canelo fight will be no dirrerent. canelo is undefeated but he really isnt that great and who as he really beat much like may who has he really beat, nobody

Posted August 6, 2013 12:48 am 


Only Floyd haters call Floyd fans nuthuggers. But whatever, I can see through both sides of the glass unlike Floyd haters.

Posted August 6, 2013 12:31 am 


Ok well score it like you want. There are plenty of folks who think Trout pulled it out. Yes there are more that think Canelo won. Funny how the commentators felt Trout won the rest of the round. I felt he won the rest of the round. And that is not the most iffeciant 10 8 round there has been.

Posted August 6, 2013 12:30 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

te tumbo is on Beat Street.

“Trout not only got Dropped in the 7th, he was wobbled, and remained on wobbly legs while absorbing approximately 12 more Canelo powershots and scoring a couple of his own along with a few pitty-pat jabs. he swung all-right but 90% of everything he did was blocked or simply ducked. it was a solid and the most efficient 10-8 round I’ve ever seen.”

That is precisely right! And the only fans who don’t agree with that are FMJ nut-hugging fan-boyz and other chango boyz who aren’t capable of scoring a fight accurately when it involves one of their brothas. Real talk.

Posted August 6, 2013 12:20 am 


And I just now watched the 7th round and I still think Trout won the rest of the round when he got back up

Posted August 6, 2013 12:00 am 


Hidalgo get you some reading SKILLS. I SAID that I had to get one last jab IN and I DID that. Now I move ON.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:56 pm 


No it doesn’t. Trout was showing grace in defeat. Something most fighters don’t do. So we get upset when a fighter speaks his mind after a loss when he thinks he won, we get upset when a fighter makes excuses. Trout does the right thing and so it is written in stone. Any interview after he said he can see Canelo winning but he felt he won. Plain and simple. That is what I will go with.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:55 pm 


I see Good-YES anything can happen in Boxing. I agree. But I go with what will most LIKELY happen and thats Mayweather by decision. He’s the BEST on Offense and Defense. Simply SUPERB.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:51 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Spartacus 65: As always, it’s a pleasure reading what you have to say about the science. Peace, strength and good health to you, my friend!

Rapid: Thanks for the shout-out, mano! I fully agree with your comment about those situations.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:37 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Yes… it was a close fight, as I’ve said many times, and you are correct about the judges being off the mark with their scores — especially the idiot who scored it something like 118-110. He should’ve been fired and banned for life.

However, Trout failed to land one single, hard meaningful punch in the entire fight. And he simple didn’t land enough shots by overall volume to take the majority of the rounds. Seven rounds to five for Canelo is accurate, and I fully agree with a score of 115-112 because of the one 10-8 round.

Anything that Trout has said since — after being coached what to say by his team, managers and promoters — is is totally irrelevant. The only thing that ever matters (as far as decisions go) is what a fighter says in the ring, when put on the spot, directly after the fight. Real talk.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:29 pm 

te tumbo

PEEJ, just rewatched the round that you apparently missed or relied on the commentators to tell you what transpired. otherwise, Trout not only got Dropped in the 7th, he was wobbled, and remained on wobbly legs while absorbing approximately 12 more Canelo powershots and scoring a couple of his own along with a few pitty-pat jabs. he swung all-right but 90% of everything he did was blocked or simply ducked. it was a solid and the most efficient 10-8 round I’ve ever seen.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:26 pm 


“Welcome back Old Yank!! I verbally SPANKED you plenty in the past but that’s in the past. I don’t dwell on the past. I LOOK forward to next round and hopefully YOU do the same. ….I still have to get a jab in though. I TOLD you that the commission would overturn Dawson’s Body slam WIN over Hopkins. You disappeared after I was proven CORRECT yet again.”

It’s “in the past,” huh? Then why are you still doing it, Blabbamundo?

Posted August 5, 2013 11:17 pm 

te tumbo

“I also saw Trout dominate the rest of the round when he got up”. you –WE– need to rewatch that round because that it is simply not what happened. Trout displayed ferocity but it was futile and ineffective while Canelo continued to expertly handle him and get off power-shots. I believe I will do that right now . . . stay tuned.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:16 pm 


Spartacus 65…., “When hearns and Leonard faced off the first time Leonard had just cone off of a career defining fight with Duran the second go around.” LMAO

Right… He got whipped by the lightweight Duran in their first fight… and was clowning his way through the 2nd fight…when Duran quit…

Some win for Leonard… Duran was a disgrace…

And Hearns woke up the morning of the Leonard fight 6 pounds underweight… How the Hell did that ever happen??? Some preparation… He actually had to spend some time absorbing 4 pounds of liquids so he could weighj-in at 145.

I have never seen anyone so skinny in my life..

Posted August 5, 2013 11:10 pm 


Yeah I saw Trout get hit with a great shot from Canelo in the 7th. I also saw Trout dominate the rest of the round when he got up. Did you see that? Apparently no because thats all you say is you see him do the moon walk in the 7th. Like nobody has been knocked down and gotten up to win a fight.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:07 pm 


Negative. I judge fights the way I see them. I fell like Trout beat Canelo by a round and have stated over and over that I would not argue if you had Canelo winning in a close fight. As for the score cards that were read, they where ridiculous. Also Trout has said plenty of times in interviews after the fight that he felt he won also but as I’ve said, he also says that it was a close fight and he won’t argue if you had Canelo winning in a close fight. I am a boxing fan first and I can judge a fight fairly. I have no problems with doing that. So you are incorrect.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:05 pm 


Pathetic…pretty-well sums up the current boxing status…

Posted August 5, 2013 10:51 pm 

I see Good

ANOYAMUS Trout show the WORLD a NEW MOON WALK. Canelo beat his ASS fair and SQUARE.. If TROUT could PUNCH Like ALVEREZ which he CANT…. Yes TROUT would of KNOCK OUT CANELO.. But TROUT hits like a girl, good thng for Canelo thow. Trout DOMINATED old shop worn Cotto.. Trout is WELL MUSCLE and has better STAMINA than Canelo.. But TROUT found out rippling muscles chizel 6 pack ABS. Does NOT mean you are the STRONGER person. Trout could NOT throw Canelo around and muscle him like he did Cotto. Thats whats probably SHOCK TROUT canelo looks like a fat kid in a CANDY store when compare to TROUTS physic.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:48 pm 

spartacus 65

I SEE GOOD, thanks mate. Appreciate your viewpoints and feedback. Let’s out this in perspective. Do tou see Robert the ghost Guerrero going the distance with a prime Ray leonard? I submit to you just go on YouTube and pull up Leonard vs Andy THE HAWK Price. The Hawk was a much avoided welterweight contender who many thought that Leonard was making a mistake in fighting. The hawk though he had a couple of losses on his record was a feared fighter . This just BEFORE Ray was to take on Wilfred The radar benitez, the youngest world champ ever,for the wbc welterweight crown. This is all you need to see in regards to a COMPLETE FIGHTER in his prime CLOSING THE SHOW. Check it out when you have an opportunity my friend. Cheers champ.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:48 pm 

I see Good

SPARTACUS Well said, Canelo isnt rated NUMBER #1 P4V status CHERRYPICKER is. As YOU said NEITHER have a great RESUME… TRUE TRUE TRUE. So there WHY is CHERRYPICKER the number #1 fighter in the WORLD pound for pound. Thats ALL I HEAR from AMERICAN TELECASTERS on HBO SHOWTIME etc. Thats WHY I think FLOYD is SCARED!!!! This is the FIRST time hes fighting a guy NOT collecting OLD AGE PENSION. OR a SCHMUCK that has NO BUISNESS in the ring with cherrypicker. This is a REAL DANGEROUS OPPONENT. The FIRST for CHERRYPICKER. I would be concern too if I was in CHERRYPICKERS shoes. I like your comment, YOU SEE GOOD ALSO

Posted August 5, 2013 10:33 pm 

I see Good

I BET CHERRYPICKER has WATCH that TAPE Canelo/Trout match 10000000000000000 times . Yes FLOYD your going to be in a REAL FIGHT this time. A REAL one.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:23 pm 

spartacus 65

Good evening gentlemen. With all due respect it’s really hard for me to get a shot if adrenaline off of this upcoming fight. First and foremost this in my view does not constitute what I would classify as a superfight. Neither,man has anyone very noteworthy on their resume to say that we are about to witness something truly extraordinary. When hearns and Leonard faced off the first time Leonard had just cone off of a career defining fight with Duran the second go around. This just after a true barn burner of a bput with Roberto the first time in Montreal. Hearns for his part, practically DECIMATED the welterweight division in hus way to this YES LEGENDARY showdown. Mayweather beating a B lebek,decent bot ni hoper opponent in Guerrero, GOING THE DISTANCE and Canelo beating a good fighter in Trout but not really producing a scintillating affair ,just does not do it for me. Canelo is a promising young fighter who has the physical tools to be an elite fighter if properly groomed,is still not there just yet. Stamina is one issue he definitely needs to work on. Mayweather fights occasionally and times it just right where the other fellow is eithee a step or two past his prime or the opponent has serious flaws but a NAME to produce a good payday for both. He is a good defensive fighter and he uses it very well to his advantage obviously against lesser talented opposition. He does not take risks simply because he does not want to expose that chin to a potential stunner. This does not make for memorable bouts we can talk about ten years down the road. The undercard looks to be more interesting than the main event. Doesn’t say a lot about the SUPERFIGHT. LIOKING,HECDOG,DONOVAN, HIDALGO ETC.. SHOUT OUT TO YOU ALL , PEACE AND STRENGTH,GOOD HEALTH TO YOU GENTLEMEN. CHEERS.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:20 pm 

I see Good

PEEJ Did you SEE trout in the 7th round doing the NEW MOON WALK???? ha ha ha TARK wrote many TIMES Canelo HURT TROUT to the BODY. MAN Canelo can PUNCH. Just ask TROUT. What AMAZES me is TROUT doing the MOON walk was HURT. Trout came back and made it a 10 to 9 round. TROUT is TOUGH. I was SHOCK to SEE how he came back… TROUTS NO joke SLICK BOXER, UNDEFEATED at the time. STRONG, fast hands… What I notice when TROUT fought Cotto. Trout push Cotto like a rag doll and muscle Cotto. AT WILL… Well TROUT never OUT MUSCLE MY BOY CANELO or through Canelo like a RAG doll. This CANELO is STRONG

Posted August 5, 2013 10:19 pm 

I see Good

CORRECTOMUNDO Anything can happen in BOXING, that GUY from Canada he KNOCK OUT CHAD DAWSON in QUICK fashion. I love HBO annocers saying chad is to expierienced and this Canadian only had 20 amature bouts . Well What happen?? This guy took up boxing while in PRISON he got 2 years for being a PIMP.. Thats right Dempsey was Batmasterson great heros. were also PIMPS. Nothing to be PROUD of. OF course in American fashion this Canadian Lineal champ, would never fight Bhop . WHY NOT he can PUNCH ask Chad Dawson. Hmmmm Canelo I hope you watch that fight.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:12 pm 


Rapid-that’s called being self delusional. Reminds me of a child who doesn’t want to be seen closes his eyes and thinks nobody can see them. There’s alot of that going on here

Posted August 5, 2013 10:02 pm 


Welcome back Old Yank!! I verbally SPANKED you plenty in the past but that’s in the past. I don’t dwell on the past. I LOOK forward to next round and hopefully YOU do the same. ….I still have to get a jab in though. I TOLD you that the commission would overturn Dawson’s Body slam WIN over Hopkins. You disappeared after I was proven CORRECT yet again.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:56 pm 


Squared Circle…. Good point !! I was gonna say, I’ve watched boxing for almost 40 years now, And when a guy thinks he won the fight, and the decision didn’t go his way… He usually flips out, and tells anyone who’ll listen.. Trout did not do that! I don’t know why it’s so hard to swallow for some people! He might have been more active, but , in boxing, there’s a little term called ” Affective aggression” and for the most part, Trouts pitty pat jabs, and arm punches didn’t do anything.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:33 pm 


Man, it’s really wild that there are guys that still think Trout beat Alverez… The guy admitted in the ring post fight ” I lost to the better man” ” He was alot faster, and harder to hit then I thought” I trained for a completely different fighter” “I was shocked” How many more times could he have spelled it out?? Wow.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:26 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

PEEJ: In truth. you’ve demonstrated that you don’t have the ability to judge bouts objectively when fighters from certain “backgrounds” are fighting each other.

Trout openly and honesty admitted that Canelo beat him when put on the spot in the post fight interview. Take his word for it because he was the one in the ring taking those power shots. Pro boxers NEVER admit defeat if they actually believe they won a fight and got robbed. Fact!

What Trout says about it now is absolutely irrelevant — what counts it what he said when was put on the spot right after the fight. And the same goes for EVERY fight.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:15 pm 


Welcome back Old Yank!

Posted August 5, 2013 9:10 pm 


I don’t ever state punch stats, I saw him land more. In my opinion he landed more. I thought he won the fight. It wasn’t like he was throwing arm punches. He was trying to hurt Canelo. Canelo was only fighting a minute a round. Which is another reason why I thought Trout won and threw and landed more punches

Posted August 5, 2013 9:06 pm 

Old Yank

te tumbo — Get the recipe for fight night: Cinnamon Chocolate Churro Cupcakes

Posted August 5, 2013 9:04 pm 

Old Yank

te tumbo — Thanks!

Posted August 5, 2013 8:59 pm 

te tumbo

Btw PEEJ, you describe Trout’s superior offense(?) v. Canelo without posting that Trout displayed superior offense v. Canelo(?). is that your contention?

Posted August 5, 2013 8:50 pm 

te tumbo

Welcome Back to OLD YANK. there’s never been a more tenacious poster on ESB. hold on to your keyboard when cyber-sparring with this fight-fan. i should Know. we rarely agreed on anything but i always appreciated that Yank never took being consistently wrong personal . . . Peace.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:47 pm 

te tumbo

“Trout out worked him.” in FUTILITY. “Landed more punches” when? please don’t cite punchstat numbers as they are notoriously arbitrary and routinely don’t jibe with what fight-fans saw or even what scorecards score. othewise, i can’t identify a single punch that could be described as “Trout’s best punch of the fight”. also, i’ll agree that ring-generalship captures Canelo’s overall mastery of the bout, but it was his footwork that consistently put him in range to score and out of range of counters and when he wasn’t out of range, Trout was missing combos in bunches of 6-12 punches and more. there was on particular sequence where i stopped counting at 14 missed punches. i have NEVER seen such glaring inaccuracy from a presumably top-notch contender, which Trout is but Canelo was that much better.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:42 pm 

Supreme Court aka the highest court aka nincompoopcide

Te DUmbo-your assenine statements of ginger boy dominating Trout are profusely idiotic… Your shallow La Raza vail of defending all your mex fighters is so transparent it’s laughable… All these years PAC PAC pacquiao has destroyed your mex boys thR you bum must still be sore you cannot even walk straight. All you can do is to resort to accusing PAC to using PEDs to resolve your cognitive dissonance. ..Marquez did well, but he still smoked all your ” Rama” – I’m the greatest Phd bioengineer.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:25 pm 


Te DUmbo-your assenine statements of ginger boy dominating Trout are profusely idiotic… Your shallow La Raza vail of defending all your mex fighters is so transparent it’s laughable… All these years PAC PAC pacquiao has destroyed your mex boys thR you bum must still be sore you cannot even walk straight. All you can do is to resort to accusing PAC to using PEDs to resolve your cognitive dissonance. ..Marquez did well, but he still smoked all your ” Rama” – I’m the greatest Phd bioengineer.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:24 pm 

Old Yank

Trout is a good fighter and had his moments in the Canelo bout. I had Canelo winning 7 rounds to 5 and picking up the 10-8. If Canelo repeats the same mistakes he when facing Mayweather, he will pay. Mayweather can be like the long-game ping-pong player — they make the game long (distance wise) in order to slow the speed of their opponent and then wait patiently for their opponent to make a mistake. This will be the game Mayweather plays against a very skilled and game and youthful Canelo. Again, I see this bout looking like 8 rounds to 4 without controversy.

Posted August 5, 2013 7:46 pm 


Trout out worked him. Lander more punches. Yes he got knocked down but so what. Fighters have been knocked down and gotten up to win. In my opinon Trout one by a round. And footwork does not really matter in a fight. Meaning they don’t judge on footwork. Are you talking about ring generalship?

Posted August 5, 2013 7:38 pm 

te tumbo

the threat of Trout began evaporating into thin air immediately following the opening bell. he didn’t land a single significant punch and was missing in combos of six, eight, 10, and 12 punches. Canelo played him like a toy drum and was never stung or stunned to any notable degree. “Shocked” was the word that Trout used to describe the encounter. moreover, NObody is clamoring for a rematch resulting in literally ZERO foundation for any argument describing Trout as a threat to Canelo.

Posted August 5, 2013 7:19 pm 

te tumbo

Canelo’s domination of Trout was as complete and thorough as Floyd’s domination of Guerrero. otherwise, would somebody PLEASE cite the boxing-category that Canelo didN’T dominate in? e.g., offense, defense, or footwork? somebody PLEASE accept this challenge, post now, or forever STFU about Trout being competitive or even remotely threatening at ANY point during this 12-round bout.

Posted August 5, 2013 7:16 pm 

te tumbo

“Floyd will go down as a GOOD fighter. But a CHERRYPICKER”?!? WHO hasn’t Floyd faced? First? better yet, WHICH welter do you insist Floyd won’t face because he fears losing? Floyd’s response is forthcoming pending the results of his next bout at Jr. MIDDLEweight.

Posted August 5, 2013 7:11 pm 


44-0, Ghetto Thug

Posted August 5, 2013 7:00 pm 

Ghetto Thug


Posted August 5, 2013 6:46 pm 


Exactly. He got to hear those ridiculous scored and went in to defensive mode and stopped pressing the action. This is the only fight he stopped pressing the action. Trout out worked him and landed more. Yeah he knocked him down. So what. Trout won the rest of the round after the knockdown. So what. Fighters have been knocked down before and they will continue to get knocked down, get up and still win

Posted August 5, 2013 6:40 pm 

I see Good

HecDog WELL SAID BROTHER VERY WELL SAID. Mayweather will go down as a GOOD fighter. But a CHERRYPICKER. Cant really say HOW good FLOYD was or IS.. Because HE DODGE the BEST in their PRIME. The PUBLIC IS SLOWLY CATCHING ON>

Posted August 5, 2013 6:30 pm 


Toosalty… Hatton got the living crap beaten out of him by Luis Collazo. Collazo wasn’t anywhere close to as good as Trout… Hatton just couldn’t box. Alvarez is a good boxer. He didn’t have a mark on him after the Trout fight.

You’re comparing Alvarez to Baldomir and Hatton… That’s not right.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:40 pm 

de Lima

@ Adrian

As for “ SA’s chance to stop FMJ is higher than FMJ’s chance to stop SA. ”

I have of course other reasons to think this way, but I don’t have the time now.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:35 pm 


The last time, i felt this way about a fighter that they were trying to hype up, was Hatton. I thought he just fought OC, out of Control. Canelo can fight but but thats it. Does he have good power yes, but what good does it do you if you cant touch the target

Posted August 5, 2013 5:24 pm 


Toosalty… Nothing is going to convince you Canelo is any good… But Canelo barely had a mark on him after going 12 rounds with Trout… Plus he shook Trout up a few times and floored him… Nobody else ever did those things to Trout.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:21 pm 


Your were shocked at Canelo’s speed and skill, me too. I was think this dude looks tired,red and terrible. It was only the 4th rd

Posted August 5, 2013 5:01 pm 

de Lima

Would you please be so kind as to tell me where I wrote “ Canelo won’t get hit ” ?

You missed the point entirely.

Of course SA will get hit, mostly with jabs and body shots, but FMJ is no KO artist whereas SA has great punching power !
And because one big punch can do more damage than many light punches , SA’s chance to stop FMJ is higher than FMJ’s chance to stop SA.

As for Cotto, I respectfully disagree. In my opinion MC is not faster and he doesn’t have the better jab than SA,
but in my experience, it’s futile to debate on MC / SA, most people disagree with me.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:00 pm 


Tark even the writers on Eastide

Posted August 5, 2013 4:59 pm 


Tark everything I seen,read, and heard all says Canelo got a gift dec.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:59 pm 


That my point. That is Canelo super easy to hit,has no stance, his offence is his defence. over powers smaller guys, no 1 punch knock out power

Posted August 5, 2013 4:58 pm 


Carlos Baldomir is like … super easy to hit… can’t punch… has no stance… can’t defend… can’t jab… can’t move… can’t do anything but throw and absorb licks all night.

Not a Canelo Alvarez … nowhere close

Posted August 5, 2013 4:52 pm 


lol Tark Texas is Mexico. it was money man cmon dude, the funny thing is you know it, but since your fight got the gift dec you wanna bring up the judges etc. Did you think Bradley really beat Pac NOPE not me, but the judges did.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:52 pm 


Tark i never said anything about exp, I said Canelo is not skillful. What no one has been able to do is out think FM. To do that you going to have to be able to box a bit, canelo cant box.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:49 pm 


Canelo, a Mexican… beat Trout, an American, in America… He got a UD.. Trout didn’t get a vote from the 3 commentators… Trout didn’t get a vote from the 3 newspaper reporters who submitted their scores for analysis.

So from the nine (9) judges, commentators, and reporters Trout gets zero (0) votes … The fight wasn’t in Mexico was it???

Posted August 5, 2013 4:48 pm 


Canelo is a better version of Carlos baldomir. Thats it. He cant fight going backwards. You will never beat FM if you cant box a li bit. He cannot box.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:47 pm 


Toosalty…., Did you see Thabiso Mchunu whip Fast Eddie Chambers every round??? What did you think of his skills??? I’m just curious because the kid had only 13 fights — and if you think experience is the be all and end all of Boxing.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:43 pm 


Tark you know how dude take your blinders off. They was in TEXAS you know and I know he didnt out point nothing. Can he fight yes, but does he have skills hell nooooooo.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:43 pm 


De Lima, WTF ?

……“If FMJ wins, he wins by UD, certainly not by stoppage.” ……..
r u saying that Canelo won’t get hit ???

…….“FMJ has never faced a guy as tough as SA. He’s special.”……..
B*LLSH** !!!! Cotto was tougher and quicker !!! Canelo doesn’t have the quick feet that Cotto has PLUS his jab’s better !!! Cinnamon Kid is too slow !!!!!

Posted August 5, 2013 4:41 pm 


Why arent you fans asking Canelo to fight GGG,Martinez,Ward, or Chavez JR

Posted August 5, 2013 4:41 pm 


If you think Canelo has no skills you’re in Zu Zu Land…, How the hell did he outpoint a tall, gifted, southpaw slickster who dominated ATG Miguel Cotto if he has no skills???

Just wouldn’t be possible in a million years… It would be Iran Barkley vs Michael Nunn all over again if he had no skills.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:38 pm 


Tark Who has he beatin that could box and punch and old Mosley, might what about a shop worn Cintron, or maybe a 140 pounder right. He got the gift dec against Trout but he has not beatin anyone. Why the FAN asking Canelo to fight GGG,Martinez,Ward, or Chavez JR

Posted August 5, 2013 4:37 pm 


TARK I used to say Zab gave FM problem in their fight too, after I rewatched it, Zab won rds 1-3, after that FM walked him down took his heart. ODH fight was no near close, he hit ODH with any and everything but the kitchen sink, I had money on ODH and lost. Shane FM had been calling him out since he was fighting at the 130’s after Shane beat ODH the 2nd fight he had a toothache remember.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:33 pm 


The first great fighter Floyd fought was Zab Judah… The second was DLH… The 3rd was Shane Mosley, who quit fighting in the third round… The last ATG Floyd fought was Miguel Cotto.

They all had major vulnerabilities… but they all gave Floyd problems.

I don’t see any soft spots in Canelo… Therefore I expect the best Floyd we’ve ever seen… This WILL be a legacy fight.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:25 pm 


Tark the point is FM has seen it all. Canelo is no way better in skill than Diego was. Canelo slooow,fades,cant box going backwards like most mexicans. The only thing he has is decent power, but not 1 punch power. Only 1 punch power beating up old and smaller guys. Im going to say it, Canelo is a BUM and should not even be in the same d@M ring as FM.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:22 pm 

I see Good

OLD YANK That makes sense WHY????? Look at YOUR CHERRYPICKER Mayweather HE CAME IN a couple of POUNDS over the weight limit in the MARQUEZ FIGHT. PAID a million or 1/2 million its JUST POCKET CHANGE FOR CHERRYPICKER. As LONG as CHERRYPICKER has SOME KIND OF ADVANTAGE the EDGE.. Makes SENSE. Catch weights CHERRYPICKER LOVES , Cherrypicker ALWAYS fought guys that WERE smaller . OR didnt BELONG in that weight division. YES FLOYD has TALENT SPEED ETC. But HE always had an EDGE. NOT THIS TIME CANELO is a NATURAL 154 pounder young NOT OLD PAST HIS PRIME. Canelo has SKILLS SPEED and a WEIGHT advantage. Lets see the CARDS are NOT stack in his favor First time in his CARREER

Posted August 5, 2013 4:19 pm 


toosalty and Old Yank… Corrales didn’t bring a good chin… He didn’t bring a good defense… He didn’t bring speed… He didn’t bring strength… He didn’t bring skill… He didn’t bring ring smarts… He didn’t have punching range … He didn’t have a lot of things that Canelo has.

Was Corrales a good fighter??? He was a damned good brawler.. He couldn’t box worth a damn though.. I know he was 33-0, but he did that by beating the crap out of people with those short arms of his… Punks like Acelino Frietas he just walked down and slammed them — because they couldn’t fight woth a nickle anyway.

I mean… Juan Diaz wasn’t my idea of a good boxer and he beat the trash out of Acelino Frietas without even trying.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:15 pm 

I see Good

ROME Bravo Bravo DAM even more people are starting to SEE GOOD. I am IMPRESSED You must admitt Mayweather is something ELSE, GOOD BOXER. NOT GREAT because he AVOIDED some GREATS in their PRIME.. But MAN is CHERRYPICKER the GREATEST at FOOLING the PUBLIC for so MANY MANY YEARS.. Dam I give the GUY KUDOOS for this. Hes BRILLIANT.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:10 pm 

I see Good

TO SMOOTH You are CORRECT every body FLOYD fought EITHER didnt have the SKILLS you are RIGHT.. OR Once had the SKILLS but are PAST THEIR PRIME. You forgot to mention that. I had to REMIND YOU. FACTS are FACTS.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:05 pm 

I see Good

TARK That Cherypicker SUCKER PUNCH, is NOTHING. Truth be TOLD, ORTIZ had NO buisness in the same RING as CHERRYPICKER same as Geurrerro. Same as Hatton TOUGH NO SKILLS thats all. Hand made for a SLICK fast HANDED Cherrypicker. Now Canelo YOUNG STRONG GOOD SKILLS CAN PUNCH!!!!! Showtime FORCE Cherrypicker into this fight. I will BUY a PAY FOR VIEW. First time EVER because its a CLOSE evenly MATCH contest. Not a one sided WALK in the PARK as of ALL of Cherrypickers past FIGHTS.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:01 pm 

Old Yank

Delusional: When one believes they are right and the rest of the world is wrong!

Posted August 5, 2013 3:58 pm 

I see Good

PEEJ you NEED glasses Canelo SEEN the score cards , he easd off the gas peddle. But Canelo did make TROUT do the MOON WALK in the &th walk. Micheal Jackson (RIP) would of been PROUD.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:51 pm 

I see Good

Do NaVAN I see that YOU SEE GOOD ALSO.. Some day the ENTIRE PUBLIC will WAKE up ALSO..

Posted August 5, 2013 3:47 pm 

Old Yank

The #1 and #2 pound-for-pound ranking is Mayweather then Ward respectively for The Ring, Bleacher Report, Sports Illustrated, BoxRec, Bad Left Hook and I could go on and on. I guess they are all caught up in their Ray Charles delusions.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:42 pm 

I see Good

PEEJ USA OWN RULE the HEAVY WEIGHT DIVISION for CENTURIES. Since they HAVE NO FUTURE in that division and NOT in the DISTANT future EITHER.. They GRAB onto CHERRYPICKER as a HERO. To BAD PACMAN took his GLORY even though PACMAN was GIVEN 3 QUESTIONBLE WINS over MARQUEZ. At least PACMAN fought WHO ever was PUT in FRONT of him. Its NO secret CHERRYPICKER RAN FROM PACMAN. Just LIKE WARD will do the same with GGG.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:41 pm 

I see Good

PEEJ You are RIGHT about 1 thing. Nobody in the HISTORY of BOXING could CHERRYPICK himself to NUMBER #1.. In the OLD DAYS there was OLY 1 belt for that weight division, so EVERYBODY had to FIGHT everybody in theur PRIME. Ray Charles could SEE Cherrypicker is a GOOD fighter very TALENTED YES. But he DODGE the BEST in their PRIME.. Look a Amir Kahn he WANTED to FIGHT the BEST took the PATH to RESITANCE, was ROB by JUDGES and a AMERICAN on PEDS. ONLY in America. Never SEEN or HEARD FLOYD wanting to FIGHT the BEST in their PRIME. GGG is CALLING out EVERYBODY WARD, CANELO, QUINLIN, GLEALE what ever his name is. NO PAPER CHAMPIONS COMMING TO THE PLATE. MARTINEZ, NOPEY NO. This is a TRUE champion in my eyes. NOT CHERRYPICKER MAYWEATHER.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:37 pm 


Floyd’s resume is damn good. He is the greatest fighter of this generation. He has held a title or championship since his 13 fight. Nobody else has done that. He has outlasted people from his Olympic team and some of the future Olympic teams. He fought all the guys that people wanted him to fight except for Pac. Who of course declined the same type of testing that he is just now starting. Every other fighter that fans wanted him to face became a cherry picked fighter once the contracts where signed

Posted August 5, 2013 3:24 pm 

Old Yank

Man Withoiut a Van — I am not hanging my hat on a resume; I’m hanging it on what my eyes can see.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:12 pm 

Old Yank

toosalty — There is no rule that says fighters must touch them up when the bell for round one rings. When a sportsman offers it, a sportsman returns the touch. There is nothing illegal about refusing the touch, right? Just ’cause something is “legal” does not make it sportsmanlike.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:11 pm 


Old hank i just cant agree with you on floyd, floyd’d record is so-so the lemmon collection isnt worthy of alot. I know you want to hang your hooks on fights with gatti, baldimore, juda, hatton, corrales, ortiz, mosely and Oscar hoya. I just dont see it this record reflects not greatness but a collection of beat up gatti nowhere noname baldimore, over the hill mosely over the hill hoya , ran from pac , sucker punched ortiz and thats it thats your legacy of greatness too funny.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:11 pm 

Old Yank

What did Corrales bring into the ring against Mayweather? He was bigger; he was young; he was fast; he had power. Again, Canelo will not show Mayweather anything he’s not seen before.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:08 pm 


I had Trout winning by 2 rds, canelo didnt do anything, I mean nothing. I dont like Trout and dont care for Canelo so I could care less. The truth is the truth.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:03 pm 


Listen or read any interview after the fight and Trout says he won the fight. He also says if you thought Canelo one that’s cool too cause it was that close. But the scorecards read where terrible. I thought Trout won by a round. But it was a close fight

Posted August 5, 2013 3:00 pm 



FM seen all of that in Diego, combination of youth, speed, size, strength, skill, punching range … and punching power??? NOthing FM has not seen before.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:57 pm 


That was no gray area either FM responded with a legal sucker punch, to illegal head butt. We cant even compare the 2. Drugs from the drug store “legal” Drugs off the corner illegal.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:55 pm 


Old Yank says…, “There is nothing Canelo brings into the ring that Mayweather has not seen before.”

How about a better combination of youth, speed, size, strength, skill, punching range … and punching power???

And let’s face it… Canelo is a much better defender than Oscar, who could never get his face out of the way of a straight punch.

On the other hand Canelo has gone 12 with a super slick and skilled boxer before in Austin Trout … who’s bigger, taller, stronger, and about as hard to hit with a clean shot as Floyd.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:54 pm 

Old Yank

Tark — The “sucker punch” was one of those gray areas on boxing. Nothing illegal. Nothing high-brow sportsman either.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:35 pm 

Old Yank

la matta?

Posted August 5, 2013 2:33 pm 

Old Yank


Posted August 5, 2013 2:31 pm 

Old Yank

The only blind among us are those incapable of looking at Mayweather in the ring and failing to see one of the great ones of our time. How does one fake that speed; fake that ring IQ; fake the defense; fake an uncanny ability to adjust (see Mayweather/Judah); fake titles in multiple divisions? How may Mayweather opponents do you suspect will end up in the Hall of Fame? ‘Nuff said!

Posted August 5, 2013 2:30 pm 


T=ark. I want what ever it is that you are smoking!!

Posted August 5, 2013 2:29 pm 


Old Hank , im not a history buff on Robinson- I know he fought anyone who stepped into the ring and did it often, ran from nobody- back then bastillo and la matta were the monsters

Posted August 5, 2013 2:28 pm 


Everyone but Floyd haters agrees it wasn’t a sucker punch…

It was Ortiz trying to quit and finding a creative way to do it… Ortiz tried to foul out by launching his head into Floyd’s face… When the referee didn’t DQ him for that he was disappointed. He gave his best effort.

When that didn’t work he took the next 2 shots and played dead.

Ortiz has quit 3 times in fights and I expected something like that. Ortiz wanted to keep kissing — Floyd isn’t in to kissing guys. He likes to punch them.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:27 pm 


Old yank. You are correct. But the day those greats took on undefeated champs– those guys were the real thing. Again, im not a fan of any of those fighters. I dont like floyd dont care for Canelo in fact if you break it all down, we just dont have those fighters fight now. High politics ruins boxing, along with the horrible judges

Posted August 5, 2013 2:26 pm 


@Tark~ Spot on post. If FM had fought Cintron and those other guys you mentioned , his critics would simply state that those guys never beat anyone and FM cherry picked. Just like the Canelo fight. When critics thought the fight would never happen they called FM a coward for not facing a young, strong lion like Canelo, now that the fight is made, Canelo now becomes too young, too green or just not good enough. People may not like his style or his personality but, they no what to expect from FM. He approaches the fight like a surgeon not a lumberjack, hacking and slicing away at will. He is composed and under control at all times during a fight. No one has figured him out. You can’t tell me that every guy that has been put in front of him didn’t what to win or have the determination it took be victorious. Simply put, they didn’t have the skills.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:25 pm 


c.. mUNDO, DUDE give the Pacman vs Mayweather a rest. Yea we got it, in your one eyed world you want to stick with the steroid excuse, cool bro- you run with that. Bottom line my friend- floyd ran and that is is legacy. Sorry ======you a one eyed great in your world of the blind. you the man

Posted August 5, 2013 2:23 pm 

Old Yank

How many undefeated belt-holders are on Sugar Ray Robinson’s record? I think Hagler has two undefeated belt-holders on his. Carlos Monzon never entered the ring against an undefeated belt-holder. I think Sugar Ray Leonard met two undefeated belt-holders in his career.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:21 pm 


Lastly Mr TArk, You said the NO mas of Duran was pathetic, I agree old chum- Got one way worse than that, Sucker Punch by Mayweather- pure DISGRACE

Posted August 5, 2013 2:20 pm 


TARK, IM SORRY your focus on what was written wasnt to focused. Lets help you out, For one thing, of course all those fighters mentioned had weak fights and of course toward the end of their careers they lost or beat weak names, yea dude we got that much. Now lets try and help you out a little. I was talking about super bouts , super fights- Yea bro the no mas thing was pathetic.– yea bro super Jones after losing all that weight– lost with horrible KOes, yea bro — hagler had some awful fights.. Got all that.. Now, my point- super fights hit man vs hagler, mosely vs hoya, ray vs hitman, jones vs toney, chavez vs meldrick, duran vs ray 1– this is what im sayin these fights were SUPER, they at the peak of their careers took on ther equals, they didnt run, they didnt hide they did it. You throw down Robinson, really bro- Robinson was up to 80-0 and that dude fought big names at their best. Mayweather? who the heck did he fight to compare to any of the greats- nowhere

Posted August 5, 2013 2:17 pm 


Yourdad, Yes, Mayweather KOed Hatton. Congrats on the win as weak as it was. You see, Yourdad- Hatton did hold so much that is was a crime to watch. Mayweather’s style did not give hatton those mid and late rounds to do all the holding that got him to the spot he was. Yourdad, to make it worse for you, Hatton was a joke and was way to small for Floyd, Floyd new that and so did the rest of the world, great cherry pick. I gave you hatton, because hatton was the only undefeated belt holder on floyds weak record.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:10 pm 

Old Yank

Aside from Canelo’s strength and youth advantage (advantages at this level capable of capsizing the odds-makers), I think this is an easy bout to pick. Canelo had a very short amateur career (20 bouts I believe). Mayweather had 90 amateur bouts I believe. Although Mayweahter has only fought one more pro bout than Canelo, he has about 100 additional rounds of pro experience — pro experience against names like Castillo, Hatton, Cotto, De La Hoya, Judah, Corrales, Hernandez, and … There is nothing Canelo brings into the ring that Mayweather has not seen before. I will add that Canelo is still in a growth spurt (simple maturing process for a young man). He has likely out-grown 154 and will need to do two things — pass random drug tests and fight at a 2 pound penalty. This is just too easy, unless…

Posted August 5, 2013 2:06 pm 


NOPE…. If Pacquiao beats Rios, and Floyd beats Canelo, it’s perfect… Floyd doesn’t wait for Pacquiao to lose another fight.

A victory over Rios gets Pacquiao headlines all over the world… Floyd grabs the fight right away… Chinese or Singapore businessmen will pay them 100 million each to stage the fight.

You grab that with both fists.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:37 pm 


Floyd isn’t facing Pac unless he goes on a 3 Fight WINNING streak. He’s not facing a guy who LOST 2 of his last 4 because he’ll get no credit for that. He’s facing a guy on a 38 Fight WINNING streak and then all of a sudden he’s going to face a guy who only WON 1 of his last 3??? Nope.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:28 pm 


I blame both too Exiled Yank… Extreme egos on both sides — but if Pac beat JMM in his last fight, He would have fought Floyd already.

Everything thing was done — right down to the money split.

It just shows you can’t sit on the best fight ever for 5 years… They got chicken fat all over the fight milking the worldwide publicity to pump their other fights… It was a marketing coup.

But if Pac can beat Rios and Floyd can beat Canelo, we’ll see May-Pac after all … It could still happen, and China could be the place Ace.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:14 pm 

Exiled Yank

When this fight ends and FM has his hand held, people will say Canelo was too green and FM cherry-picked him.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:54 pm 

Exiled Yank

For the record, MP and Fm are both guilty for that fight not happening. To blame one fighter and not the other shows extreme bias.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:51 pm 

Exiled Yank

Tark has spoken.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:49 pm 


…….., “Floyd RAN from Cintron, Magarito, and Clottey”

WOW!!!! Floyd really has to be unsure of himself to run from those clowns… How does Floyd manage to run from people who never earned a legitimate shot at him or any other top fighter???

Especially since they never beat one good fighter between them — and never won a major world title legitimately between them.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:47 pm 

De Lima Izabel

So I’ll say this again :

In my humble opinion, we can expect a competitive fight with a tough young fighter coming up, but opinion is deeply divided on this issue.
SA is a smart boxer, he has great boxing skills, punching power, strength, good head and shoulder movement.
Floyd has the advantage of experience, superior defensive skills, incredible hand speed, high boxing IQ and he’s a good body puncher.
I really like SA , but let’s be honest, he’s only chance at defeating FMJ is by stoppage, otherwise FMJ will get the decision. If FMJ wins, he wins by UD, certainly not by stoppage.
Can SA land the big shot ? We’ll see. One thing’s for sure, FMJ has never faced a guy as tough as SA, he’s special.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:44 pm 

De Lima Izabel

My last post ( via Facebook below ) didn’t appear to publish – why ?

Posted August 5, 2013 12:40 pm 


Floyd RAN from Paul Williams, Cintron, Magarito, Clottey, Martinez, Pacman and Now is FORCE to fight CANELO or Showtime will do what HBO do to COWARDS.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:30 pm 


Trout ADMITS losing to Canelo so STFU.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:26 pm 


On sept 14th the ring will be set up in an oval shape 400 meters in diameter and chalked up with running lanes becuase as soon as Floyd feels Canelo’s power all your going to see is a (ala roadrunner) puff of smoke because he’s going to take off running the intire fight.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:22 pm 


@Toosalty…, If the judges say you won unanimously — and Canelo did win unanimously — that’s the way it goes down in the record book.

None of the 3 TV commentators — or 3 ringside reporters who were presenting their scores for analysis — had Trout winning. Funny thing.

Canelo also got a standing ovation from 42,000 fans … Most of them were Americans, not Mexicans … and the fight was in America not Mexico.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:49 am 



Canelo did all that against Trout, and most people with a truthful boxing eye, knows TRout Won.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:13 am 


Carl Name me a fighter who Floyd ran from, or do you guys know what running is or standing infront of some like a FOOL. Remember its boxing. I rewatched FM fights. He was agressive AGAINST Sharmba Mitchell, Arturo Gatti, Demarcus Corley,Zab Judah,Cotto,Ortiz,Corrales. So PLEASE tell me a fight that he RANNED. Yall just hear what others say and repeat garbage without knowing. WHO DID HE RUN FROM?

Posted August 5, 2013 11:09 am 


An objective analysis of the record doesn’t translate into an easy win for Floyd. Floyd’s admitted best opponent was Miguel Cotto, who tagged Floyd up at times. Those giant Q-Tips, drenched in coagulants and plunged up Floyd’s nostrils, were not an illusion. That happened. Cotto did find Floyd.

Ask yourself, “Who had the most experience between Fast Eddie Chambers and the youthful Thabiso Mchunu?” The answer: “Chambers had 3 times the pro experience—but was completely dominated at long range by a short boxer with a short reach.” Funny thing is, Cotto is short, with a short reach, but was able to find Floyd with his jab. Chambers couldn’t find Mchunu with a jab all night. That tells you skill is more important than experience.

Now Canelo’s toughest and best opponent was the super slick southpaw Austin Trout—who Cotto couldn’t find effectively with his jab, or with anything else. Canelo defended very well, he countered well … and he hit Trout like Trout has never been tagged before … That’s the real world.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:04 am 

Carl (The Man) Pratt

………………….FMJ becomes Most Boring Fighter of The Year…………………
He even takes Wladimirs Most Boring Title……………………….fmj-tards…..
brrraaaaapp……pffftttttttt………..those are farts of disgust of this fight.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:45 am 

Carl (The Man) Pratt

Run Rabbit run the hounds gonna get you, run rabbit run, he’s gonna get you now. FMJ is the rabbit and is gonna run for 20 rounds.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:43 am 

Carl (The Man) Pratt

This fight will listed as “The Snore Fest of The Year” Most Boring FMJ fight ever recorded. And all you FMJTARDS call Wlad boring?? Give me a break.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:41 am 


It all comes down to who has the most experience and that’s Floyd. I like Canelo but Floyd will win this fight easily.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:22 am 


CurlyQ, that’s correct. Canelo was well aware that Floyd can hardly make 147 & he also knows how much heavier he is, so to make the fight possible he compromised.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:05 am 


From what I read, it was Canelo’s proposition to make a catch weight of 152 and not Floyd’s.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:22 am 


ROME ” Hit man Hatton held so much in the ring that I thought I was watching the Lawence WelK ballroom dancing show. The second that holding was taken away, KO then KO.”

Care to tell us who gave him that first KO? oh.. Floyd, the guy you said holds a lot.
You talk utter rubbish and are not fooling anyone.
Floyd wins get used to it.

Posted August 5, 2013 6:32 am 


I must say though,if Floyd had zero reservations then he wouldn’t have stipulated Canelo to weigh in at 152,just a thought.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:51 am 


btw I want Canelo to win but I cant see how he does it, maybe he’l come out with a special skill move,like the head movement against Trout,that was class Trout never expected that,hadn’t trained for it either by the look of it,in a word bamboozled, here’s hoping guys.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:49 am 


if Floyd turns up 80% he still WINS, Canelo better hope he ages overnight, Floyd is as good as ever, his reactions have dropped a nano second but he makes up for this with ring savvy and experience, Unless Canelo is gifted the win(which could easily happen) then its Floyds fight all night long, he only fights people he 100% believes he can beat with no exceptions this time.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:47 am 


Canelo has to step up and make Floyd fight otherwise it’s going to be anothe BORING fight. I’m not too excited about this one. This fight won’t break any PPV records. Gavcia vs Mathysse is a fight and should be the main event. These guys are going to put on a show. Hopefully Canelo can put it all together, use pressure, use the jab and stay on him without gassing out. A Duran/Leonard #1. Floyd Mayweather has pretty much bored a lot of boxing fans to death. He doesn’t bring excitement to boxing. Fans are booing and leaving the arena. Fighters like Manny Pacquiao and Brandon Rios will put on a historic, exciting and explosive fight for fans to remember for years. Boxing needs fighters not guys that hit, hold, hug and bore fans to death like Floyd Mayweather. Hopefully, Canelo can beat him and send into retirement for good.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:51 am 


Rome says…, “Duran, Hagler, Hitman, both rays, Jones, chavez and so on, those are your true champs , true grit, true super fighters.”

Duran quit in the middle of a super fight saying, “no mas.” … Hagler put people to sleep sparring Briscoe, Geraldo, and Duranl Hagler was whipped by a welterweight coming off a 3-year layoff … Hearns lost twice to the inept Barkley. Tommy couldn’t avoid that slow loaded right which decked him 3 times … Robinson lost every round to Ralph Jones, about the best fighter he ever fought, but Jones lost his previous 5 fights to guys you never heard of. Pokey and powerless Joey Maxim stopped Robinson. Robinson refused rematches with both of them, proof he didn’t think he could beat them … Leonard got badly whipped by China-Chinned Terry Norris … Chavez received a lot of gift decisions and quit in his corner vs DLH … Jones got flattened twice in a row by guys Roy had been avoiding for years.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:44 am 


Correct,,,, Superfight? Canelo vs Mayweather is not a Superfight. Mayweater ‘s record is blemished with worthlessness, Canelo has a equal number of worthlessness but is on his way up to possibly being somebody. Super fights; Chavez vs Meldrick, Mosely vs Oscar, Hitman vs hagler, Jones vs toney, Duran vs Ray, examples of greatness. Mayweather dont have a one- and the Canelo fight wont be anything. You are in an era of PPV TV that sparks the money- if that was the dealings back in the day, money would had flowed in 10 x fold

Posted August 5, 2013 1:56 am 


Correct. I see that Ward sparks your interest also. I do agree that Ward is a very smart business man. IN fact, his management team is spot on when it comes to fooling anyone that he is anybody. Regarding Dawson. Who you fooling, everyone knew it that Dawson is hamburger meat at 168. Dawson is also smart to had taken the fight knowing he had nothing to lose. Dawson would eat ward up at his natural fight weight. Ward’s camp also knew that and refused to move up in weight to take on Dawson. You claim to know boxing but the fact is you want to know, but you just cant see whats in front of you.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:12 am 


C. Mundo, I understand that Mayweather is your favorite fighter. Thats great, good to know. Your perception and vision of why he is great does work for you and again thats great. I believe everbody needs some type of figure to look up to. Myself; Duran, Hagler, Hitman, both rays, Jones, chavez and so on, those are your true champs , true grit, true super fighters. Floyd is nothing close to that, and that my friend was boxing. Floyd is what every boxer should take note to do to make money. Floyd is a marksman when it comes to keeping his 0, he is a excellent money maker and he has learned how to pick and choose to keep exactly that. That picking and choosing makes him one of the top dollar makers in the business, awesome job. Hall of fame quality- never

Posted August 5, 2013 1:07 am 


Dawson opened UP his mouth and bit off more than he can CHEW. You can’t chew a full blown SHARK like Ward in his own waters. SO its BEST to stay in your own domain and STFU.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:03 am 


Every LOSER has an excuse. IF the armbar made you LOSE why didn’t you armbar TOO??? How DID Mayweather land more punches IF he held all Fight??? Bunch of excuses thats WHY. WINNERS find a way to WIN while LOSERS always find an excuse for LOSING.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:58 am 


Rome please learn more about Boxing. These are the two HOTTEST Fighters in the ENTIRE Sport facing off. Thats called a SUPERFIGHT. Why do you think it already broke the record for most money taken in at the gate??? Canelo is on a 38 Fight WINNING streak and Floyd is on a 44 Fight WINNING streak. NO one else in the Sport can match it.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:53 am 


example; Old man mosely lands the shot heard around the world not once , but twice- Mayweather placed a armbar so tight, maybe believe he was a cop, that armbar was allowed through the entire round and the ref didnt break it. Take that hold on for dear life armbar, and it would had been lights out

Posted August 5, 2013 12:53 am 


Boxing is missing the true super fights. The fights that brought the true best of the best for a show down. Last time you had something like that was most likely early 90’s all the 80’s. Today the politics of keeping a fighter on top is sickening. All the cherry pick fights , all the bargining so the fighter gets a sure when, hence the Ward vs Dawson fight. Horrible

Posted August 5, 2013 12:49 am 


Mayweather is going to win this easy. He is going to win easy because nobody will contol all the holding. Holding is Mayweather number one defense and always was—————– Mayweather never gets a warning for it, and this is the way Mayweather handles being out boxed and overpowered. Hatton was the same. Hit man Hatton held so much in the ring that I thought I was watching the Lawence WelK ballroom dancing show. The second that holding was taken away, KO then KO.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:44 am 


And Cotto didn’t land ANY punch vs either Fighter that compares to the shots landed by Golovkin, Martinez, and Marquez. SO those comparisons are invalid HERE. ..He landed a couple of GOOD shots that didn’t even stagger Floyd SO those shots aren’t going to erase Floyd’s overall Defensive performance for 12 rounds just as Mosley’s couple of shots didn’t erase Floyd’s 12 round performance. Floyd defended BETTER over the 12 round match than Trout DID…And Compubox says that I am CORRECT on that.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:44 am 


I don’t go by Compubox. I go by my eyes and then I see IF Compubox supports the FACTS that I saw. I can’t use Compubox when there is a knockout because the Sport is set UP where a knockout TRUMPS everything else….When I analyze the Compubox data I can see that Cotto only landed 2 more jabs vs Mayweather. But he landed 75 more power shots vs Trout. SO Trout Defended vs the jab BETTER by a very small margin but he Defended WORSE vs Power shots by a WIDE margin. In FACT Cotto landed double figures in 10 rounds vs Trout but only landed double figures vs Floyd in 4 rounds. SO Floyd is the BETTER and more consistent Defender than Trout IS….even on a BAD day…..and Canelo will SOON find that out.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:36 am 


Got a better boxing IQ than you. All you can do is insult. And I comment on a lot of threads. If you learn how to read you would see that. And obviously you post under a different name and constantly go to the Floyd comments and post if you say I’m always posting in them. So your lame statement is worthless

Posted August 4, 2013 11:34 pm 



Posted August 4, 2013 11:04 pm 

Ghetto Thug

Money will take another O

Posted August 4, 2013 10:53 pm 


Or the liver shot Golovkin took out Macklin with… OUCH!!! You only need one of those.

Posted August 4, 2013 10:50 pm 


Boxtra…, You can’t go by compubox when evaluating whether Floyd or Trout did a better job of defending Cotto’s masterful jab and other slick punches.. Cotto did more damage to Floyd.. His punches were more effective against Floyd.

Therefore the words, “Cleaner and more effective” come in handy. It’s not a number… One punch can do more damage than 320 if it’s like the one Marquez landed on Pacquiao or Martinez landed on Williams.

Posted August 4, 2013 10:47 pm 


If Floyd is fighting terrible boxers like Castillo, Gatti, Hatton, Ortiz, and Guerrero, he hit them all the time and won every round… It just so happens Floyd has fought a very limited number of great boxers..

When he fought Cotto and Judah, probably the only great boxers he ever fought, he didn’t hit them as freely and took a few shots himself. If Floyd ever fought guys like Trout, Forrest, Pacquiao, Martinez, or Golovkin, he wouldn’t find them so easy to hit and he would be taking a few..

I would go so far as to say Canelo is the best boxer Floyd has ever faced.. Judah and Cotto are both easier to hit than Canelo, and their hand speed is slower and less potent.. DLH was so easy to hit it was ridiculous.. Oscar’s fight against Pacquiao was a disgrace.. Floyd is not going to be popping Canelo like the popped Oscar … with just about everything he threw.

Posted August 4, 2013 10:36 pm 


Canelo is going to bust up Mayweather, I think so.

Posted August 4, 2013 10:33 pm 


Contrary to popular belief, Floyd’s Defense was actually BETTER vs Cotto than Trout’s was. Compubox says that I am CORRECT on that.

Posted August 4, 2013 10:18 pm 


Logic…., “That style Mchunu used to avoid Chamber’s jabs – he may well have learned it by watching Floyd vs Marquez.”

Mchunu is a green pro… so you might think he’s new. He’s not. He was developing that defense in the amateurs long before Floyd fought Marquez… Let’s face it.. Marquez didn’t have the size and strength to fight as a WW at that point in his career.. Lately he does.

Also McHunu’s defense is only possible because of his small target area, massive shoulder size, slick head movement, and rapid response time with his counters — all of which appear to be better than Floyd’s versus the jab… Maybe Chambers just made McHunu look spectacular defensively, but I’ve never seen anybody that good against a superior jab.

Posted August 4, 2013 10:06 pm 


Ment to say Floyd never lost to Castillo. And I think Floyd can stop Canelo because of his body attack. Canelo has a stamina issue and if he doesn’t fight for at least 2 and half minutes a round against Floyd he has no chance. The mental pressure that Floyd will put on in the ring will tire Canelo out

Posted August 4, 2013 10:02 pm 


Tark,Trout is good,but I didn’t see alot of adjustment from him midfight. If Canelo thinks he’s going to have an easier time hitting Floyd over & over with the same punch then he’s doomed. The style Floyd used against Cotto is one of countless he can use.And like the author says,he is ACCURATE with his counters. That style Mchunu used to avoid Chamber’s jabs – he may well have learned it by watching Floyd vs Marquez. As for cutting off the ring against Floyd, the Mayweather team have made it clear they respect Canelo’s skills,BUT he has the flaw of being flatfooted.Therefore expect the fittest, most mobile Floyd since DLH.

Posted August 4, 2013 9:36 pm 


hookoffthejab… Very good points..

After the Floyd fight Mosley looked like he was ready to go out to dinner.

After the Canelo fight Mosley looked like he’d been through WWIII.

And Mosley beat the first title “challenger” for Paulie Malignaggi long after he fought Canelo.

Posted August 4, 2013 9:21 pm 


hookoffthejab… Tell me who has “steamrolled” Mosley?? Not Mayweather that’s for sure. Say what you will about Canello, but take a look at Shanes face post fight after the Floyd, and after Alverez… That tells the real story here!

Theres no arguing that Canelo hits harder ….Thats pretty obvious , the fact that Canelo fights in spurts and isnt and all out puncher fighter like Garcia or Lucas 9 who has great timing and underrated skills ) ….IMO points to a Junior WIN Canelo fighting has beens and SMALLER guys is where he has looked his best ……He did not dominate Trout and when he had him hurt his style dictates that your either stationary and against the ropes to be picked off …. Or you dont have the skill to stay off Saul just enough for him to not be able to finish you off ……..

Posted August 4, 2013 9:16 pm 


Logic.., “Floyd doesn’t physically have faster reflexes or longer range than Trout”

PLUS the fact that Floyd is shorter, weaker, and easier to hurt than the 171-pound Trout. The punches Canelo lands will do more damage and Canelo will find it easier to jab the orthodox Floyd.. Canelo had to wait on Trout.. He couldn’t afford to tear after AT. The Trout right hook and straight left are very hard to deal with if you run into them … and it’s hard to get your jab on Trout, like Eddie Chambers found it almost impossible to jab super slick southpaw Mchunu.

Canelo should have an easier time pressing and cutting off the ring on Floyd—and when he lands, his punches should do more damage.

Posted August 4, 2013 9:03 pm 


hookoffthejab… Tell me who has “steamrolled” Mosley?? Not Mayweather that’s for sure. Say what you will about Canello, but take a look at Shanes face post fight after the Floyd, and after Alverez… That tells the real story here!

Posted August 4, 2013 8:58 pm 


It’s true that Cotto did less damage to Trout than to Floyd, but I seem to recall Trout sitting on the ropes daring Cotto to exchange with him but Cotto reluctant to let his hands go. Cotto did not have the reflexes to outhit Trout inside,and historically Cotto goes into “boxer” mode rather than mix it up with a guy who can outlast him in an infight(Margarito,pac,clottey). Whereas he had no fear of an infight with Floyd – because he could afford to take a few of Floyd’s punches in exchange for the heavy damage he could inflict on him,unlike the bigger Trout. So Canelo will force Floyd off the ropes as well(as did DLH),and Floyd will show in the middle of the ring he is a class above Trout in ability to adjust his style,though he doesnt physically have faster reflexes or longer range.

Posted August 4, 2013 8:21 pm 


Saul didnt “BEAT” Trout …Canelo fights in spurts and up to now most of his fights have been against has beens and welterweights (also has beens) LOOK AT cANELOS FIGHT WITH mOSLEY WHAT HAPPENED THERE ….If Canelo was ALL THAT he would have steam rolled Shane but he couldnt , because of the way he fights rounds (unless your ALfonz Gomez or the like) Saull puts great combination punchers together but if they dont get you out he backs off ……(gassing ?) Look at his fights with Hatton and Lovemore Ndou …..This is going to be a great fight no doubt , though I can not see Canelo winning other than by KO or early ref stoppage anything past 3/4 its all Junior ……….Canelo will gas out …………

Posted August 4, 2013 8:15 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

aw shaddup…

Posted August 4, 2013 8:01 pm 


This pundit says…, “If you do the simple Sweet Science math, the more Floyd throws, the more he will land, because he is that accurate.”

Floyd throws when he has a target. When he threw MORE than that—like he did in a couple rounds v Cotto—he got hit more and lost those rounds.

This pundit says…, “Trout was busy, but Canelo found it easier to hit Trout.”

How do you know??? Canelo and Floyd haven’t fought yet—and Trout is a tall, rangy, slick southpaw who’s very difficult to hit… Ask Miguel Cotto.

And Trout HAD to be busier. Trout was losing and had to get back into the fight. But the more Trout threw the more he got hit with hard counter shots. Floyd is not the only masterful counterpuncher in this matchup.

Canelo punched harder and absorbed punches better than Trout.

Trout was more difficult to hit than Floyd—Cotto found Floyd’s face with his smooth, masterful, ATG jabs—zinging them smack up Floyd’s nose.

Cotto couldn’t find Trout’s face with the most masterful jabs he could muster.

Posted August 4, 2013 7:43 pm 


Floyd can’t stop Canelo — and he’s not going to try.

Posted August 4, 2013 7:43 pm 


Floyd didn’t lose to Canelo. He won both fights. Proved though since there was doubt in the rematch. Something Canwlo didn’t do against Trout. Floyd wins this by late stoppage. He doesn’t need politics

Posted August 4, 2013 7:33 pm 


Canelo should win this one going away if he is a future great. He has just about every advantage you can think of in this fight. To be a great these are the of fights you got a win against smaller past thier prime opposition

Posted August 4, 2013 6:45 pm 


If Canelo’s stamina is as bad as people say, I don’t see how he could play the pressure game 12 rounds like Guerrero.Guerrero is maybe superior to Canelo in stamina & toughness, maybe ability to adjust,and has southpaw advantage. I think Canelo has better handspeed,defense,power,versatility and comes in with an intelligent gameplan. So maybe Canelo needs to pressure some rounds,and use his defense other rounds. (You can’t have just one plan against Mayweather anyway.As you see he figured out Mosley,Hatton,Judah etc in a couple of rounds, whereas the more versatile guys like DLH & Cotto were able to stage mini-comebacks at later stages).

Posted August 4, 2013 5:17 pm 


65 thx, yea I agree with the fact that Canelo going to do well through the years, this is the golden moment for him, and I hope the score cards reflect what is really going on. Further more, lets hope Mayweather sustains point take aways for all the illegal holding that he does found after round. I understand a little foul play, thats boxing- but for the entire fight- a crime

Posted August 4, 2013 5:06 pm 

spartacus 65

Possible Donovan. This is boxing. The theater of the unpredictable. Showtime is in it to make money so yes, its possible. Still I see Goldenboy being a very formidable influence for years to come. Politics indeed champ. Peace and strength.

Posted August 4, 2013 4:47 pm 


Thx 65. Yep it a politics game for sure. I believe Canelo needs a KO to win. Without the KO, they going to hand this thing to Mayweather, who will do exactly what he has been doing for 15 years; lemmon pick or if he believes their is a chance he will lose, throw out the steroid excuse or heck, sucker punch.

Posted August 4, 2013 4:27 pm 

spartacus 65

Donovan, Also good point,about the powers that be and boxinf politics. Canelo is the new Golden Boy, so to speak. Mayweather is on the way out. Should this be a reasonably close and very competitive bout my money says Canelo will get the nod. Cheers mate.

Posted August 4, 2013 4:21 pm 

spartacus 65

Donovan, good day champ. Good observation about the arm lock. It was utilized greatly when hewas badly dazed by Mosley. Cheers my friend.

Posted August 4, 2013 4:15 pm 

spartacus 65

Logic dictates that Mayweather wins this based on experience . Given not so much Mayweathers performance against a b level fighter in Guerrero, more so Canelo fighting a somewhat pedestrian fight with Trout my logical mind,says Mayweather. Yet,my guts are telling me that e everyone will be in for a suprise come fight night. I see Canelo scoring a ko in a shocker much in the same fashion that Tarver shocked Jones. Just a feeling. White boys? Was that really necessary? REALLY?

Posted August 4, 2013 4:07 pm 


Floyd ONLY throw’s when he needs to and when he thinks he will land, if he throws more he will miss more and leave himself open to Canelo’s counters,he’s sharp on the counter, if the machine isn’t broke don’t fix it.

Posted August 4, 2013 4:01 pm 


I like both fighters, but would love to see someone challenge Floyd’s record. Castillo is the only person who I think beat Floyd.
The Canelo/Trout fight was a struggle for Canelo. He caught Trout with some shots and Trout got chin checked, but he came back to be competitive. Floyd is hard to land combos on and he has thus far shown he has a good beard. I guess this is the best shot Canelo is going to have though against an aging Mayweather. We’ll just have to see how Canelo’s stamina and work rate are going to be in this fight, he’s going to have to be very busy, not like the Trout fight, and catch Floyd with some big shots. Floyd makes people miss but he’s been hit with some big shots before.

Posted August 4, 2013 3:52 pm 


I meant Floyd will go home with his O still on his record.

Posted August 4, 2013 3:16 pm 


Floyd will not go home with the 0, the only chance IMO that Canelo has is landing a big shot and following it up with the finnish. Canelo does not have the stamina for that. Floyd will cautiously win one round at a time by making Canelo miss and outpointing him.

Posted August 4, 2013 3:15 pm 


CANELO will win and probably retire floyd after the brating he wil get only blind fans can think that floyd wil b able to handle canelos power even if floyd does that shoulder roll while he in on the ropes believe me that even if canelo hits only floyds shoulders its gonna hurt

Posted August 4, 2013 2:39 pm 



Posted August 4, 2013 2:36 pm 


The first shot canelo lands on floyd it wil hurt him badly cotto gave floyd problems and lasted 12 rounds with floyd if cotto wd fought canelo instead of floyd the cinnamon kid wd have knocked out cotto cold within 5roundz

Posted August 4, 2013 2:30 pm 


Mayweather; first test.. lost to castilllo, fights worth anything; hatton who was undefeated at the time- everyone else- worthless outside corrales. Canelo, strong stand against his last which could had gone either way, should had been a draw. The politics, does the powers to be need a new project; Canelo? who is worth more money because thats where the chips lay. Do they give a close fight to mayweather who is going to do what he does run, hold, pop shot, hold run or Canelo who will most likely put the pressure on. Who knows, but if they take away the armlocking away from Mayweather who continues to hit and hold, then he is done.

Posted August 4, 2013 2:30 pm 


Canelo will take the O out of Fl_yd.

Posted August 4, 2013 2:29 pm 


Canelo will take the O out of Flyd.

Posted August 4, 2013 2:26 pm 



Posted August 4, 2013 2:09 pm 

Ghetto Thug

45 – 0

Posted August 4, 2013 1:57 pm 


Floyd will win if he do what he did to dlh when canelo try to charge side step him and stay to the center cuz canelo will try to ruff house him on the ropes.

Posted August 4, 2013 1:46 pm 


say what yall want about Floyd about how he box but it works at the end of the night the judges have to call the winner u don’t win if u don’t fight so give Floyd props every fight holds and clinch.

Posted August 4, 2013 1:43 pm 


It takes 2 to hold. If one is tring to hold you still have your hands free and can start swinging. If that happens then the red will take points away for holding

Posted August 4, 2013 1:33 pm 

boxing barlow

The reason that you dont see anyone going to the body when Floyds on the rope is because Floyd just goes into a clinch with his opponent forcing the ref to split them up and this puts the fighters back out at range. Going into the Hatton fight I actaully felt Mayweather was going into his most risky fight. I felt Hatton would just barge Floyd onto the ropes and hit him with damaging body shots. How was Floyd going to handle that? It became apparent straight away that it would be purely through holding. Hatton came in got hit, tried to go to the body, but Floyd just pulled him into a clinch. Simple but effective. I actauuly beleive that had that fight have happened in the UK a few years earlier, at light welter, a UK ref would have penalised Mayweather for holding forcing him to fight on the inside on the ropes, and Hattons crunching body shot may have won him the fight. But hey ho Mayweather deserved the victory on the night. Canelo will find the same problem if he starts on the body while Floyds on the ropes.

Posted August 4, 2013 12:56 pm 

John Digby

Alvarez barely beat Trout, this is a mismatch.

Posted August 4, 2013 12:27 pm 

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