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Sredmond is nuts… He tries to pretend Lewis was winning the fight. Except for the illegal tactics Lewis used to slash open Vitali’s face, Lewis was abused one Hell of a lot more than VK.. A simple check of ALL the scorecards will tell you that..

Posted June 28, 2013 2:51 pm 


“Hidalgo, own you Bigotry! You have promoted and supported use of the “N Word” your reputation is in tatters and I will enjoy turning the screws..” SRedmond, you are a blithering idiot fool. You get so upset with your involvment with others on these threads that you don’t even remember who said what or when they said it. I didn’t promote or support squat. I used the “N word” phrase after someone else did. Why don’t you do your homework and go back a ways and see for yourself. I have called you out many times in the past for confusing me with someone else when you think I said something but didn’t. You are so emotional and get so upset, you don’t even remember who said what. All you have to do to back up what you just said is prove it. But you won’t because you can’t because I didn’t. Now, I really am done with you this time around.

Posted June 20, 2013 11:18 pm 


Hidalgo, own you Bigotry! You have promoted and supported use of the “N Word” your reputation is in tatters and I will enjoy turning the screws.. Again you’re an unruly subordinate that I manipulate at my will.. There is NO coming back from
The hole you have DUG yourself :)

Posted June 20, 2013 9:11 pm 


I meant to say “I lived with it.”

Posted June 20, 2013 4:00 pm 


“”Hidalgo, admitting to your “Butt Piracy” below is the province of a CREEP but your filthy admissions have been noted for the record..” Only YOU would note something like that for the record, SRedmond. You are a sensitive little security guard aren’t you?”

Posted June 19, 2013 7:45 pm 

squashed bug

Tark is right. 100%.

Posted June 19, 2013 1:42 pm 


HIDALGO’s Post…….Hidalgo
“I did not know you support use of the “N Word” on the boards” You’re a grown-up SRedmond. Get over it. Or, if you’d like I can post a huge list of the insults you have levied on scads of posters on the ESB boards. You’re whining about the use of the “N word” yet you use every other word to denigrate others. Get over yourself.

Posted June 17, 2013 10:55 pm

Posted June 19, 2013 1:30 pm 


Below, Supporter of Bigotry HIDALGO details his rationale for the usage of the “N Word” if he is SO comfortable and thinks that use of this SLUR is OK then why does he NOT skip the “Code Word” and say it aloud? The man is a FRAUD and knows how offensive usage is YET he attempts to find a roundabout method of selling his point… TRULY a DOG!

Posted June 19, 2013 1:29 pm 


Tark, AGAIN your scripted version that exists only in YOUR mind and those who populate this thread and suck down whatever you have packed in that BONG mean nothing… Vitali was BADLY abused by a stronger, better fighter who even though he was sloppy worked him over and ruined his night… Klits is NOT and never will be the winner OR we would have seen him as Undisputed HW Champion on distinction he will NEVER own… He is a COMMON singlebeltholder who has a sliver of the realestate at HW whereas Lewis had it ALL…Please run out into the town square and tell the world “Vitali won” “Vitali Won” so you can be branded a LUNATIC, carted off and we can be rid of you… LOL

Posted June 19, 2013 1:22 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Tark, please don’t come to a sudden stop, Hissydalgo’s head will enter your anal cavity nose first so deep the jaws of life will be needed for removal…

Posted June 19, 2013 12:22 pm 


SRedmond can’t hear you Tark. He’s off to work at his job as a security guard at a multi-level parking garage next to the Whitman housing complex in Fort Greene, Brooklyn. You know–where all the rich people live.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:38 am 


What was it that George Foreman said about Ref Moret as he stood there like a blind man and let Lewis lock his left arm around Vitalil’s neck while he punched him mercilessly in the right kidney? He said it was illegal and he explained why. He said he didn’t understand why Moret didn’t stop Lewis from doing that.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:35 am 


“Now that’s a regulation hissy fit, nice work…” Why thank you, Boxtradamus, aka Correctamundo, aka It’s me, Ernie.

Posted June 19, 2013 12:19 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Now that’s a regulation hissy fit, nice work…

Posted June 18, 2013 10:47 pm 


Oops! Squared Circle IS Lion King. My bad!

Posted June 18, 2013 10:23 pm 


Lewis needed no rematch with Klits who was simply a late replacement who blew his shot at immortality and has had to massage his bone to a 4-2 lead where he was blessing like a stuck pig…Klits was fading, losing blood and on his way to an even MORE EMPHATIC loss or possible Quit job… (we know he had it in him)

Posted June 18, 2013 9:31 pm 


Vitali was saved from a career ending injury, a KO loss or a life of blindness this was NOT one of his small unvetted foes he could safely grind down.. Lewis was a hard hitter who had the power to wreak havoc with one Blow…Lewis accuracy improved in the latter rounds as he artfully and brutally splutt Klits face open with hammer shots only the Drs Mercy allowed Klits further years in the sport to later beat the likes of Peter and others… Klits was a DROWNING MAN pulled out of the Ocean… Swimming in his OWN blood!! This is Gospel and there is no real refutation… Vitali LOST :) :) :) :)

Posted June 18, 2013 9:10 pm 


So much for a relevant fighter.!

Posted June 18, 2013 8:50 pm 


For all intents and purposes, Lewis was “awarded” the win against Vitali due to the suggestion from ringside doctor to stop the fight, based on the condition of Vitali’s cheek. However, Vitali was running on after burners at that point and Lewis, he was sucking wind and knew full well had the fight not been stopped, he would have lost. Even though the outcome favored Lewis, the crowd that night was overwhelmingly in favor of Vitali as they vocalized how they felt at the end of the fight. Lewis was without any doubt losing at the point. A round or two more would have seen lewis doing the loopy dance. So, as situations that have benefitted certain fighters who were losing, the same scenario unfolded between Vitali/lewis. But, as most of us know, the house fighter had to be protected at all costs. Lewis intelligently refused to rematch Vitali under any circumstances.

Posted June 18, 2013 8:47 pm 


Tark, do you REALLY think I hold that silly admission of yours in ANY regard?? “A video posted by Bears” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I would sooner discuss the result with Castro! You two fools video shows Vitali getting punched in the face and LOSING it’s awesome.. Millions of people have seen that bout and saw the result YET I am gonna listen to some CRAZY internet CREEPS like yourself and Bears?? This result is in the books and a couple of common Dogs and NUTCASES are not gonna change History…
This is NOT Watergate Lol!! Blaming Moret for the GREAT job he did as well as the wonderful result that left Vitalis upside at Peter is a hopeless endeavor… The fantasy you fight to maintain is shattered when held to the light I LOVE you guys talking about Lewis because it underscores the lack of quality in Vitalis resume that I have spoken of for the longest… Ten years and the BEST moment you got is “Bears showed me a video” one of the worst idiots I have ever encountered… !!

Posted June 18, 2013 7:46 pm 


Hidalgo, YOU Are obsessed with me as is Crying Queen and the rest the proof is your and his Internet stalking and desire to know my background… You cannot feign disinterest when the two of you are admitted perverts who look up other posters Twitter accounts and you beg me for my background…Are you looking for a date? I don’t roll like that…. You were SOOO Interested ghat you have forced yourself into a situation that does not involve you… Tell me again how this shows disinterest? It’s not sellable you don’t see me on here stroking my meat and discussing another mans Online profile and nationality… Again you are fascinated with the ground I walk on… Again you cannot sell disinterest while you stare at my Twitter account with the “Crying Queen” and pepper me with questions about my background…

Posted June 18, 2013 7:34 pm 


Again Hidalgo you are spouting off about “me showing” when I challenged NO ONE meanwhile We know Lion Kings not ginna show because he’s discussing Brooklyn from 20 plus years ago at least and backing away from his own Challenge… I am clearly not worried about any of this because I just said “Ok come” AGAIN you are NOW establishing yourself as a serious coward and a chump involving himself in matters that are peripheral to him you have exposed some ADDITIONAL character flaws that will haunt you…. Again there is NOTHING worse than a spineless dog who cowers in the corner…

Posted June 18, 2013 7:15 pm 


Just so you know, SRedmond, I am of mixed blood. I am a descendant of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee, but I am not an enrolled member. I was born in Cherry Point, North Carolina. I am a lineal descendant of a person on the Baker Roll and have 1/8 blood quantum. The rest of me is of Scottish/German descent. I have a Bachelor’s degree in Elementary Education. I earned that degree with no grants, no government or tribal assistance. I boxed from about the age of 14 to 18 and had about 20 amateur fights before I crushed the knuckles in my right hand in a motorcycle accident. The clutch lever also broke off and tore through the tendons in my left hand and I smashed by right knee into mush when it impacted the asphalt at around 30 mph. I also lost one front tooth, even though I was wearing a helmet. The accident was caused by a grandmother with a carload of kids who just had to get to the Shell gas station which happened to be in front of me and to the right. She was driving in the left lane just ahead of me and never saw me when she yanked the steering wheel to the right in an attempt to make a sudden turn. BTW, this ain’t a sob story. You’re SRedmond. I’m RMontgomery. The Internet awaits you.

Posted June 18, 2013 6:55 pm 


“how Latin does “Sean Redmond” sound?” LMAO! Are you kidding me? What, you can’t be half Latin and have an Anglo last name? Or first for that matter? Tell me again where “Adonis Stevenson is from?” Where the heck did he get that name? African now living in Canada with a western name. Does the name Charlie Sheen ring a bell? You know he’s of Spanish descent right? But that name! LMAO!

So let me lay it straight on the line, clear and clean for you SRedmond: I don’t give a squat where you’re from, who you are, what you do, or what you think, or what you claim you can or will do. You’re big mouthed know it all on these boards who has a lot of online enemies–at least on ESB. But now you can’t take it. You’re a man in a rage so you have no credibility with me. But I will continue to argue with you because you need to be argued with. Now, go flush your head in the toilet 10 or 12 times. God knows you need to.

Posted June 18, 2013 6:09 pm 


If tark is a nobod in the world of boxing, then what the hell are YOU ? LOL

Posted June 18, 2013 6:05 pm 


Sredmond…, You’re a hater clean through.

For years I supported Lewis winning this fight. I knew Lou Moret was a dirty referee and Lewis committed bad holding and hitting fouls—but I never fully examined the extent and flagrancy of Lewis’s fouls. I supported Lewis, the official winner—until Bears posted a super revealing video and asked me to study it.. Since I don’t like to deceive myself I studied the video Bears posted—in slow motion.

Lewis’s fouls were far more flagrant and egregious than a regular viewing of the fight reveals. Massive spurts of blood gushed out of Vitali’s face after Lewis raked VK’s face with his palm while he held him in a headlock—and Lewis does have a history of flagrant holding and hitting.. I reached the conclusion that the decision NOT to go to the scorecards was dead wrong—and that I had been dead wrong.. Vitali was ahead on ALL SCORECARDS so he definitely won the fight without question. Those deep gashes were produced by the type of fouls Lewis never before resorted to—and was extremely doubtful to get away with in any rematch.

Posted June 18, 2013 6:04 pm 


Sred, you just repeat yourself over and over again…don’t you have something new ??

Posted June 18, 2013 6:01 pm 


“You guys voluntarily joined the party so I extended the invitation.. ” I didn’t join any party. I beat my own drum. I didn’t challenge you. I didn’t call you out. I said you wouldn’t show. You wouldn’t either. The only reason you go on like a ranting fool is you know they won’t show up. The event will never happen so you’re all brave. Don’t go trying to drag me into your ego-building megalomaniacal fantasy world. You get what you give. What, can’t take a little torment? You dish it out but you can’t take it? Now you’re screaming at me to come to New York to face off with you? You really need to calm down or you’re going to blow a gasket. BTW, excuse myself from what exchange? Really, you’re letting your immature emotions overrun your life. If you were half the man you act like you are, you would ignore their challenges. And just think, then I wouldn’t be saying things like “you won’t show up.”

Posted June 18, 2013 5:59 pm 


Tarks, A NOBODY in the world of Boxing and his revision of the facts has about as much weight as a feather in a down comforter… Klitschko is finished at this point career pretty much over absent a defining fight that he won.. That’s not gonna change by fighting another guy on Stivernes level and God Forbid Stiverne catches him because there goes that “never down” kiddie blanket we know Klits is along in years but his barren resume can tolerate no mishaps… A win over Lewis would have changed everything, he would have had something to
Point to besides a B level guy AT BEST like Fat Sammy Peter!! But the Boxing Gods were not for any foolishness that night as Lennox put some SERIOUS hurt on Vitali…. My God those wounds! The eye split in 2 places, a HUGE gash on the cheek, Swollen lips and cuts requiring surgical repair in the mouth… Klits tried to fight but his arm punches were useless except for scoring after round 2…. In the latter rounds his Big Head was getting SLAMMED by some of the most vicious uppercuts EVER seen, he was fading and the Dr had seen enough abuse saving Klits from losing and eye and having to do plays as a Cyclops in the Circus…

Posted June 18, 2013 5:48 pm 


Hidalgo, what does my nationality matter and how Latin does “Sean Redmond” sound? I know you have no brains but ask a smarter friend…As for “Calling me out” of your own volition you inserted yourself into this exchange and have decided what I will and will not do so by extension you must want to participate or you would sit quietly while wiping the jizz off your chin… Again make up your mind either you want to put your .05 cents in or not? you are now a convicted Bigot and Race Baiter on the board so you have progressed from Mindless Troll to the next level of Scum on ESB…

Posted June 18, 2013 5:32 pm 



Posted June 18, 2013 5:25 pm 


Hidalgo YOU WORSHIP me that’s why you have taken up with a Bigot, support use of the N Word in the boards and gotten involved in a scenario that had nothing to do with you.. Your Man Crush is obvious by your actions…I feel you twisted with Rage like a feral dog because you’re frustrated with my better arguments… Pretending Marquez half assed the biggest payday of his career at that time… You’re a disgrace

Posted June 18, 2013 5:21 pm 

Fish Eyes

This thread is lol..

Posted June 18, 2013 5:11 pm 


“I have literally driven posters to seek me out in real life and cringe with PARANOIA that I’m a boogeyman who is also “everywhere” ” That appears to be so. But not me. I don’t hold you in that high esteem. Or low. You’re just another guy on these boards who thinks he knows more about boxing than anyone else. You are the cement-brain who is inflexible. You have the gift of gab and you type well. So what?

Posted June 18, 2013 5:09 pm 


“I even suggested you bring fellow weaklings Bears and Hidalgo whats the issue??” WTF, SRedmond. Did I call you out? You calling me out? Your the tough guy. You do the travelling.

Posted June 18, 2013 5:03 pm 


So, you never answered me SRedmond. Are you of Puerto Rican descent?

Posted June 18, 2013 5:01 pm 


Lion Queen/Crying Queen, you said you wanted to face me in Bklyn I have agreed to June 22nd after the Broner fight… I even suggested you bring fellow weaklings Bears and Hidalgo whats the issue?? You know my name Sean Redmond and what I look like from your perverted Internet stalking all you have to do is SAFELY sneak up and take me out with your band of thieves LOL… Yet you hide behind a screen name and issue challenges you cannot backup I promise that you can return to wherever your from safely besides with a couple witnesses wouldn’t that make the victory sweeter? Bring along the two BUMS I mentioned and stop being fearful… What’s your name? Or just hit me on Twitter since you stalk my page with your schlong hanging out…Come see me b#%th we will head to Prospect Park and you can show me what you’ve got… Google Parkslope and Prospect Park it’s safe and super yuppie… What are you afraid of??

Posted June 18, 2013 5:00 pm 


LOL! Look at that fool SRedmond arguing with everyone. LMAO! Whew! Talk about emotional and high strung. It’s spelled S-R-E-D-M-O-N-D.

Posted June 18, 2013 5:00 pm 


“Hidalgo, if you cannot stand things being called out I suggest you leave the board?? Because when and if I choose it’s gonna happen.. You are one of my personal favorite whipping boys due to your inflexible mind, HIGH STRUNG emotions and love of conspiracies..”

1. I can stand anything you dish out.
2. You’d never show up. Puff your chest all you want. You’d never show up.
3. Yes I am well-hung. Thank you. Oh! You said high strung! Well, idiots like you are very difficult to communicate with. You see, you are so thick.
4. BTW, look who got under whose skin. Seems to me you’re the one who’s high strung. In fact, you’re simply astronomical.

Posted June 18, 2013 4:58 pm 

squashed bug

I don’t need to say more – Tark said it already.

Or do I have to repeat it all for you ? ;)

Posted June 18, 2013 3:35 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

TARK is 100% RIGHT about the Vitali vs. Lewis fight and SREDMOND/Public Enemy/Q is 100% WRONG.

FACT: The cut that caused the fight to be stopped was from a slashing/raking shot from the inside edge of Lewis’s glove. The other cuts were also caused by Lewis raking with the heel and palm of his glove. NOT ONE of those cuts was caused by a CLEAN power punch. LL was a DIRTY fighter and you’ll see him using these same tactics on other fighters if you go back and watch film.

The other FACT is that VK outboxed LL 4 rounds to 2 and FORCED the “Cowardly Lion” into retirement at just 37 years old. Lewis had NEVER once spoken about retirement before that fight. He didn’t even reach his prime until 34-36 years and always used to say: “I’m like a wine fine… I get better with age.” The rematch would’ve been the BIGGEST HW fight in boxing history and LL would’ve made at least 40-50 MILLION dollars. That’s why it is now known throughout the entire world as the DUCK OF THE CENTURY!!! Nuff said.

Posted June 18, 2013 3:32 pm 

squashed bug

LOL. You are a strange clown. Nothing’s gonna change the fact – every single post is 100% correct. ( Tark’s of course)

Posted June 18, 2013 3:23 pm 

Fish Eyes

Meanwhile, Canelo thinks he knows the strategy to beat Mayweather..

Posted June 18, 2013 3:15 pm 


I don’t have “a theory” Klitschko got his face busted up to the tune of 60 stitches and LOST via 6th round TKO that’s a fact..!

Posted June 18, 2013 3:11 pm 


Thats the extent of your response?? Yeah thats not gonna cut it! Consider yourself a squashed bug!

Posted June 18, 2013 3:10 pm 


You’re not only wrong with my name, your whole theory is wrong, wrong, wrong. It’s a fairy tale ! Can’t believe this.

Posted June 18, 2013 1:21 pm 


Who is JK ?

Posted June 18, 2013 1:16 pm 


JK, your powers of argument are EXCEPTIONALLY WEAK “the facts according to Tark” are his hastily constructed opinions which he falsely changed after we all began sparring over this fight and Klits barren resume… Do you really think the ravings of a few nutcase Internet posters and Klit fans alter reality ANYWHERE other than between their ears? The record stands and there has NEVER been a public controversy about how Klits got his face cracked open like a Walnut all saw that right hand that right hand in round 3 that began him on the path to ruin and the marginalization of his future wins in relation to the cache the Great Lewis name would have brought… Again I know you and the other Trolls are gonna scream NO NO NO Vitali won but we all know that’s not true :) :) :)

Posted June 18, 2013 1:06 pm 


Sorry JK, 1000 writers have seen the fight and no one is subscribing to the phony interpretation of Internet cowboys like Tark and yourself… Vitali being up 4-2 and damn near bleeding to death from Leeis crunching shots is NOT remotely impressive EXCEPT to deluded Klit fans who think Vitali lasting 6 rounds with Lewis, booking 60 stitches in his face and losing is more impressive than anything that Klits EVER did from the winning side… This is one of the SADDEST post mortems on a HW Fighters career “He lost to Lewis” who cares about the rest not even his fans because they constantly try to crowbar him a win instead of accepting Lewis balls having their rightful place on Vitalis chin… So it is written, so shall it be done ..!

Posted June 18, 2013 12:56 pm 


Tark said : He was beating Lewis on ALL CARDS when that fight was stopped due to deep gashes in Vitali’s face that a careful study of the video record proves were produced by slashes with the heel and palm of Lewis’s right glove while he held Vitali in a head lock with his left..

100% right ! Sorry, but you can’t change the facts, Sredmond !

Posted June 18, 2013 12:44 pm 


100% WRONG are YOU !!! You are blind man ! Lewis is a coward. Sad but true.

Posted June 18, 2013 12:38 pm 


Tark is 100% WRONG he despises that Vitalis legacy has topped out either the forgettable Nigerian Nightmare Samuel Peter… A now forgettable fighter who expired early and is part of NO discussions of High Quality HW’s… Tark and the rest of the Klit barbarian hoarde wanted Lewis it would have given Vitali a legitimacy he’s NEVER gonna have beating Cruisers like Adamek and Gomes, relics like Lewis leftover Briggs or newbies like Chisora who was handled far more clinically by David Haye….Sam Peter is no ones Great win he was a badly flawed fighter … Notice NO ONE says better was Wlads beat win and that’s cause Wlad has more solid opponents years ago before he began focusing on trash like Wach, Pianeta and Mormeck… No Vitalis shot at glory ended FAST 6 rounds to be exact where Lewis right hand pummeled his flesh and separated it from bone with the craft of a battlefield surgeon… 5 distinct wounds all DEEP lacerations from the hammer fists of Lewis brought reality home for BEAUTIFUL ETERNITY to the Klit faithful… Lewis NAME will NEVER be in Vitalis win column and that hurts his QUALITY DEFICIENT resume HORRIBLY….. It tops out with Sam Peter then crashes horribly with a slew of undecorated HW’s…Meanwhie Lewis is one of a few men who retires Undisputed HW Champ!!!! Holla!

Posted June 18, 2013 11:42 am 


Lion King, are you really trying to sell the use of the “N Word” as something other than
It is and backtracking? Clearly you have supporters of such rhetoric like Bears and Hidalgo why are you now trying to distance yourself from your statements? Then again this is CUSTOM with you!! You offer to have wagers on coming to NYC and facing me, but then you want guy to go to Phoenix or Denver to chase a guy with a fictional screen name? Why not being Hidalgo? He supports bigotry and seems like he wants to be involved? Perhaps you two lame brains can work together and concoct an effective plan… Like I said I will be at the Barclays Center which is as safe as can be we can migrate a short distance from there to Prospect Park (6 mins by car) and you can get whatever you have on your chest off.. Again you can bring Hidalgo as a your bag boy, it’s a role he is comfortable in… Like Bears his poor character, feminine emotions for him to seek refuge UNDER the sacks of other men… He died a ton when Pacquiaos stock became progressively devalued now he has ver little left absent VERY poor attempts to get Marquez a pass for his loss by claiming “JMM did not take Mayweather seriously” He took a fades Barerra seriously but NOT Mayweather?? HAHAHAHA!! As if a Dog like Hidalgo is part of Marquez camp! We all saw him during 24/7 working hard to absorb his loss against a superior talent… Just a suggestion perhaps two feeble minds out together will=One BIGGER feeble mind.. Like I said hit me on Twitter with your real info etc and we can go from there I’d you’re serious..!

Posted June 18, 2013 11:31 am 


No, Tark is absolutely right. A man with boxing knowledge.

Posted June 18, 2013 11:27 am 


Hidalgo, if you cannot stand things being called out I suggest you leave the board?? Because when and if I choose it’s gonna happen.. You are one of my personal favorite whipping boys due to your inflexible mind, HIGH STRUNG emotions and love of conspiracies.. It kills you that the Great Marquez prepared diligently for Mayweather, tossed rocks, slurped urine and was still embarrassed by a ring rusted fighter who was off for 21 months…!!! To his credit Marquez has been clear that he’s not looking to share the ring with Mayweather again and why would he?? After booking his GREATEST win his fans would be forced into sadness AGAIN Except this time it would be with Angel Heredia on the team… Memo Heredia could try every modern technique known to man and Marquez is STILL gonna lose 11 rounds to Mayweather he’s just not in the SAME CLASS as Floyd which is crazy because I’m a HUGE Marquez fan…The man could pump iron till he looked like the Rock and Floyd would be too fast and slick especially for a 40 year old version of him.. You of all people should know I don’t cave or backtrack..I have literally driven posters to seek me out in real life and cringe with PARANOIA that I’m a boogeyman who is also “everywhere” Again your a favorite old dog of mine I appreciate you not letting me forget to kick you from time to time…. Be Well!

Posted June 18, 2013 11:16 am 


Lion King, again you have revealed yourself to be a tough talker on the web which I never doubted was the case.. I just offered you your shot and suddenly the image melted away… You are relegated to staring at my Twitter account and lamenting how you cannot best me in any way imaginable…! Seriously what happened to the Thug who was gonna “smash me to a bloody pulp”???!!! Where is that guy?? You got PUNKEDissuing challenges then running when they are accepted LMAO!

Posted June 18, 2013 11:04 am 


Lewis, dutifully and brutally busted Klitschkos face WIDE open… The extent of the damage was graphically illustrated in the corner and as Vitali walked around the ring moaning like a Baby seal that had been clubbed. “No No No No” as wadding held his face together long enough for the Surgeon to figure out which pieces went where… What could have been Klits biggest achievement was denied him Lewis HARDER and more damaging fight hands… The GREAT thing for Lewis fans is that this ones in the BOOKS! Lennox is retired with more earned accolades than Vitali EVER had or will have… Vitali is NOT Undisputed ANYYHING except second best HW of the Klit era…Theae facts are immutable and thus my joy in watching the Tarks, Bears and other nutcases search for another reality for Vitali!!

Posted June 18, 2013 10:59 am 


Lion King, AGAIN you are the guy who threatened me and said
You wanted to come to NYC… NOWWWWW like all Internet punks your showing that you are far more talk than action… I offer the opportunity to connect at the Brine fight and all I hear are excuses and other nonsense… It’s not hard to see that the extent of your aggression is confined to staring at my Twitter profile with the bathroom door locked… But then again you do claim you have been to jail and ALOT of weak men (like yourself) have some gross habits forced upon them…

Posted June 18, 2013 10:52 am 


Yes, Tark is right !

It appeared Lewis was trying to open the cut with his glove in clinches.

Posted June 18, 2013 9:37 am 



Posted June 18, 2013 8:57 am 


Kovolev-Hopkins? OH me OH my!

Posted June 18, 2013 7:59 am 


Certainly wasn’t a normal cut, looked like thumb tacks somehow got into those gloves. Vitali , when has he been cut before? he’s not a bleeder.

Posted June 18, 2013 7:56 am 


TARK is right. I must also add that Lewis only opened one thing that night…the exit door as he ran his lucky backside home.

Posted June 18, 2013 7:04 am 


IBF has ordered kovalev vs hopkins for hopkins next fight!!!!.! What great news! Hopkins will have to fake an injury in the ring to keep from getting his skull crushed or he will have to dodge kovalev. Hopkins is really hoping froch will agree to something now so he can ditch that belt. He knows how dangerous kovalev is and he doesn’t anna taste murderous light kovalev power

Posted June 18, 2013 4:09 am 


Sredmond… Lewis didn’t rearrange Vitali’s face with any power you dumb ass.. Those cuts were slashed open not bashed open.. Who else did Lewis ever cut seriously with all his power??? And who ever cut Vitali seriously except Lewis.. Did Vitali stagger from any blows like Lewis did??? HELL NO.

The 3 cuts and gushing blood appeared after a clinch, where Lewis held VK’s head with his left arm and slashed with the heel and palm of his right glove, and also did some illegal head work.. There was little swelling on those cuts so you know there wasn’t any heavy impact.

Take a look at George Foreman after the Stewart fight and that will show you the kind of cuts hard punches open up.

Posted June 18, 2013 2:42 am 


The chances of Alvarez beating Mayweather are about the same as Rosie O’Donnell winning a beauty contest, Chick-Fila opening on Sunday and Judge Judy winning an affability contest. Need I say more?

Posted June 17, 2013 11:46 pm 


“I did not know you support use of the “N Word” on the boards” You’re a grown-up SRedmond. Get over it. Or, if you’d like I can post a huge list of the insults you have levied on scads of posters on the ESB boards. You’re whining about the use of the “N word” yet you use every other word to denigrate others. Get over yourself.

Posted June 17, 2013 10:55 pm 


knock off…

Posted June 17, 2013 10:51 pm 


“Lion King, I have YOUR post saying you would fly to Brooklyn again you are hiding behind a phony screen name I told you to hit me on FB or Twitter and lets discuss the details..” You wouldn’t show up anyways, SRedmond. So knock of the cheerleading for yourself.

Posted June 17, 2013 10:51 pm 


“Excuses, Excuses Juan Manuel Marquez has ALWAYS come to his fights READY and in shape..” Marquez jumps up two weight divisions, not only to fight at a weight he’s never fought at before, but also to fight one of the very best welterweights in the world at the time? When Marquez has no idea whatsoever how he’ll perform as a welterweight? And you have the balls to claim Marquez was READY and in shape? You’re an idiot, SRedmond.

Posted June 17, 2013 10:48 pm 


“Sure Angelina, but please hold the cottage cheese…” Weird, You told the woman with the yeast infection to shove it in your face.

Posted June 17, 2013 10:41 pm 


“Hidalgo, “Juan Manuel Marquez did not take Mayweather seriously enough” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! The MOST talented and undefeated fighter of his career and you suggest JMM decided this was the guy he was gonna dog training on?? ” Marquez’s performance spoke for itself. His physical appearance spoke for itself. Marqeuz proved in his 4th fight with Pacquiao, that he had the ability to fight better than he ever had before. He could have trained better and done a better job against the cheating Floyd Mayweather Jr. in that fight. And this is the same man you keep pointing out that is “40 years old” every time you want to dis Manny Pacquiao. Marquez fought Mayweather more than four years ago. Laugh it up funny boy and be as emotional as you want but that won’t change reality. Like I said before, you are so worried about any of the shine being taken off Mayweather’s win over Marquez you’ll die defending him. And like I said before Mayweather would never get that kind of win over Manny Pacquiao–not before Juan Manuel Marquez did it first. BTW, “dog training?” New boxing term? You really embarass yourself sometimes with your ignorant ranting.

Posted June 17, 2013 10:40 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Sure Angelina, but please hold the cottage cheese…

Posted June 17, 2013 10:32 pm 

Bob Blowtar

Canelo catches FM with a KO Punch and puts the master to sleep for 10 seconds. He wakes up and does not know what day it is and says he is okay, lets go another round. Then he gets mad when they say it is over FM, it is over. Sit down and shut up. Shut the f up. FM throws up, then storms out crying, no interview, no interview.

Posted June 17, 2013 10:19 pm 

Angelina Fatchalini

Oh Ernieeeeee, how about an Open Faced Roast Beef Sandwich ??

Posted June 17, 2013 10:14 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

The “Barbary Pirates,” sometimes called “Barbary Corsairs” or “Ottoman Corsairs,” were pirates and slave traders who operated from North Africa. Their predation extended throughout the Mediterranean, south along West Africa’s Atlantic seaboard and even South America, and into the North Atlantic as far north as Iceland. But they primarily operated in the western Mediterranean. In addition to seizing ships, they engaged in massive raids on European coastal towns and villages, mainly in Italy, France, Spain and Portugal — but also in the British Isles, the Netherlands and as far north as Iceland. The main purpose of the Barbary Pirates’ attacks was to capture white Christian slaves for the Islamic market in North Africa and the Middle East.

While Barbary Pirates naturally looted the cargo of ships they captured, their primary goal was to capture and ENSLAVE people on land or at sea. These slaves were often sold or put to work in various ways in North Africa. It is estimated that between 1530 and 1780, 1–1.25 MILLION white Europeans were captured and taken as slaves to North Africa — principally to Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, but also to Istanbul, Sale and Morocco.

This does not include the tens of thousands of Irish slaves who were captured by the British slave traders and shipped to the the “new world” (places like Montserrat in the Caribbean, West Indies and the Americas).

The next time you’re in the mood for a harsh history-lesson, SREDMOND, just let me know, son. I’m MUCH more than just your nemesis, boy, I’m also the best teacher you’ve ever encountered.

Posted June 17, 2013 9:59 pm 


In an above article peej I forcasting. Stoppage win against canelo for mayweather. Lol!!! Wtf!! Does this guy record the results of bouts in his mind after he watches fights? How do u forcast stoppage win for may?

Posted June 17, 2013 9:57 pm 


The “N” word wasn’t a racial slur until the NAACP decided it shouldn’t be used in the early 1900’s. It was a neutral word. Mark twain used it in writings as we know and no one at the time considered it a racial slur.

Posted June 17, 2013 9:15 pm 


Then being “undersized” must not be an issue then as you said it was earlier.
Also jones went back down and got whupped.

Posted June 17, 2013 8:47 pm 


Jones and Moorer beat a HW Champ for a belt who did Adamek beat with a belt??? No one absent Arreola… Jones did not campaign at HW so his legacy is pegged to bouts below that weight he bagged Ruiz and moved on…

Posted June 17, 2013 8:35 pm 


Robert Duran got beat by De Jesus at lightweight, so how the hell did he manage to beat iran barkely at MW?

Posted June 17, 2013 8:16 pm 


It could be said also that Spinks, Moorer, and Roy Jones were undersized as well.

Posted June 17, 2013 8:13 pm 


sredmond, you said that Adamek is an undersized opponent so I mentioned that there have been many other indersized opponents who have moved up to the heavyweight or other divisions. I’m not claiming that Adamek is a world beater..ok. many got beat at Flyweight yet moved up to beat welters and jr. welters at a championship level. But when he got beat at flyweight, he was a flyweight also. Adamek got beat at lh fine, but he was also a 175 pounder at the time. Redmond does have a problem, he’s going crazy.

Posted June 17, 2013 8:05 pm 


Derrick, OF COURSE you don’t recall readin one even though I just reposted his statements and he backed me up by affiriming his belief that using the “N Word” is no big deal!! Again I don’t answer to people like you especially when they ignore statements that are a few posts below theirs… Your opinion of me holds no weight and your frustration is of little import… Lion King admits his crimes below so I am satisfied in the purity of my stances and proof I have coerced from such DOGS…

Posted June 17, 2013 7:53 pm 


Tark, a BIGOT is saying you are his supporter??? I did not know you support use of the “N Word” on the boards I am checking in because this Lion King says you have his back so to speak? As it pertains to Joe Louis he was the ONE AND ONLY HW Champ not some fragmented singlebeltholder strutting around while his brother held all the other belts… All roads lead to Louis while Vitali is Wlads subordinate due to his QUITTING, WEAK resume and lack of STRAPS..

Posted June 17, 2013 7:46 pm 


Lion King, I have YOUR post saying you would fly to Brooklyn again you are hiding behind a phony screen name I told you to hit me on FB or Twitter and lets discuss the details..You have names 4 cities and you expect me to book a flight to go see an Internet p*ssy named Lion King who along with Bears cyber stalks and jerks off to men’s photos?? Again I’m noted at YOU, YOU are pissed at me, I just get a kick out of abusing BIGOTS like yourself and Bears who I am sure is planning on enrolling his daughter in the Klan along with your kids… Bi#%tes come to me I don’t go to them… You have a few days to get a flight from wherever..??? Again you stalk me in Twitter reach out with your REAL NAME and let’s get serious my friend :) :) :) :)

Posted June 17, 2013 7:36 pm 

and as usual

Tark is right, Sredmond is totally wrong and Vitali is the GOAT.

Posted June 17, 2013 7:31 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

BEARS, TARK and I have been allies for years, SREDMOND. Where you F have you been??? Higher than Bob Marley everyday? Or is your memory just destroyed from all the powerful psych meds you take to try and “normalize” your severe behavioral problems?

Posted June 17, 2013 7:31 pm 


Tark, Adamek is NO Big deal at HW (never gonna be thought of as such) he beat a tragic HW like Arreola on points, Arreola has LOST to every decent boxer he faced… He has NEVER DEFEATED A Top 10 fighter in his life… Most think Adamek got a BIG gift against Cunningham and a lot think Chambers as well he has BOT been impressive his BEST days were below HW, he is no Spinks, Holyfield or even David Haye(all win belts at HW).. The late Manny Steward who called the fight between he and Vitali said “Adamek needs a stool, it’s a Cruiser against a SHW” you wanna sell Vital beating an unvented Cruiser as his best win… I see you have a NEW Fan ESB’S new Bigot “Lion King” I know you consort with the likes of Bears but apparently your stable of Bad characters is growing… Hope this is not a portent of things to come Tark..! Let’s be real what chance did Adamek have in the bout? At least David Haye has top speed and power whereas Adamek is not stopping guys at HW that bouts no sort of Great win but alas Vitali needs all he can get!! Next you will try to sell Juan Carlos Gomes another of Vitalis Cruisers who was stopped by Yanqui Diaz if memory serves me…! Lennox Lewis would never need to sell a faux HW like Adamek as one of his best nights and there is NO WAY Adamek would have done 10 with Lewis crunching one punch POWER… The same power he used to rearrange Vitalis face…. Did you really try to pass off FAT Kirk Johnson as something special? Have you no shame sir!! You might wanna tell Lion King that I’m impervious to consensus building and the sad nut stroking of other posters.. He can enlist you, Bears, and whomever else in the Rally and I will prevail because I’m on the right side of issues…!!!!!

Posted June 17, 2013 7:23 pm 

Old Honker

Lets all go on a Summer Holiday!

Posted June 17, 2013 7:21 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Just name the date, time and location you little Carlton/Urkel weasel-boy and I’ll be there to shut that BIG-ASS mouth for you.

But it MUST in be neutral territory because a SOCIOPATH like you can’t be trusted. That’s only FAIR. So how about we throw down in Denver, Chicago, St. Louis or Kansas City??? Man-up, boy, and accept my challenge!

Posted June 17, 2013 7:03 pm 


Tark, FAT Kirk Johnson is nobody in the HW annals he was bloated and 263 pounds the night he lost to Klits… No one discusses Johnson because he’s FORGETTABLE… Tua had wasted Maskaev before as had others Peters win carries little historical weight.. Larry Donald had been taken by Bowe and he’s no Great HW he was a contender NOTHING more… You gonna try and sell me on him beating 41 year old Holyfield?? HHAHAHAHHAH!!

Posted June 17, 2013 7:01 pm 


As we see below the NOW fearful “Crying Queen” (Lion King)
Says there is NOTHING wrong with using the N Word on an open message board… AGAIN I know the MANY BIGOTS on this site approve and support this conduct ,my goal
Of getting this coward who wanted to fly to BKLYN till I told him to meet me at the Malignaggi/Broner fight to admit to the obvious… Again “Crying Queen” where is the tough guy who was issuing threats and smashing me to a pulp? Replaced by a servile woman who is explaining to the board that the use of Racial epithets is OK… I GOT YOU now and it’s only just begun…. Welcome :) :) :) :)

Posted June 17, 2013 6:54 pm 


Ruff night we BOTH know Qawi was a hard ass who fought 4 time HW Champ Holyfied like a beast so trying to sell the Camden Buzz Saw as a CHUMP is historically inaccurate!! The larger point is that Spinks was a MUCH better LHW than Adamek who struggled with the likes of forgettable fighters like Paul Briggs and Spinks was a HW Champ
With defenses Adamek does NOT have those credentials that’s just a FACT..!

Posted June 17, 2013 6:48 pm 


Sredmond Vitali has a great record and beat great prime opponents.

Joe Louis is thought by many to be the GOAT heavyweight… He never beat an ATG prime heavyweight… Or even a great prime heavyweight… Schmeling I suppose was great, but he was a cooked goose by their rematch.. He looked horrible compared to the 1st fight.

Vitali beat better prime opponents than Louis did..

Kirk Johnson KO’d a Heavyweight Champion.. He destroyed Oleg Maskaev with ease.. Maskaev twice KO’d Heavyweight Champ Hasim Rahman — a guy who KO’d Lewis with one shot. Johnson outboxed Larry Donald as well.

Larry Donald had one defeat in over 40 fights.. Vitali is the only one who stopped Donald, who easily outboxed Evander Holyfield in a shutout, and went the distance with Bowe.

Sam Peter was 30-1 and knocked out Oleg Maskaev with little effort… Peter was a monster puncher with a rock like chin until Vitali destroyed him… Peter went 12 rounds with Wladimir Klitschko flooring him 3 times… Vitali smashed him from pillar to post after 4 years off and no tune-up fights.

Tomasz Adamek is a 2-Division World champion. He has victories over Chris Arreola, Fast Eddie Chambers, Steve Cunningham, and has the only win over Jonathan Banks.. The guy who recently upset monterous heavyweight sensation Seth Mitchell by scoring an easy 2-round KO.

Herbie Hide destroyed Michael Bentt.. Bentt scored a one-round KO over Tommy Morrison who beat George Foreman for the title … Vitali knocked Hide out in 2 rounds without even trying.

You notice I didn’t mention Arreola as one of his good opponents… because Chris sucks … Every Heavyweight Champion fought some sucky opponents.

Posted June 17, 2013 6:37 pm 


Ernie, I found one of your comments and I had my laugh of the day !

” We are much better looking, have more money, enjoy great beaches, have huge c*cks, beautiful women and when your so-called champs are fighting boring fights, we hook up with your women… ”

HUGE c*cks ? Seriously ? Well his explains why you’re not getting enough blood to your brain…

Posted June 17, 2013 6:36 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

It’s a screen name whore…

Posted June 17, 2013 6:20 pm 

? aka Angie

Oh that’s good, because girls don’t wanna date guys named Ernie anyway…

Posted June 17, 2013 6:12 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry girls, this isn’t a dating site…

Posted June 17, 2013 6:02 pm 

? aka Angie

Yuri Russia. Could it be you Ernie ? lol

Posted June 17, 2013 6:02 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“I’ve seen lionking post on here a number of times. I’ve enjoyed the posts for the most part. The guy runs circles around u sredmond, in that department. In terms of someone going to jail. Who cares “going to jail” in and of itself is not something to judge someone on. Neither is being a felon.”

Thanks, brother Bears. I’ve enjoyed your posts as well. Now let’s destroy that savage SRedmond like a pinata! NO MERCY!

Posted June 17, 2013 5:09 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Derrick: You just hit the nail squarely on the head, my brother. Great post!

Posted June 17, 2013 5:03 pm 

Fish Eyes

Meanwhile, back with Canalo and Mayweather.. Lets just hope for a good fight,

Posted June 17, 2013 4:55 pm 


But Spinks had been a LH and was given a very good battle from the midget Qawi. Adamek was also 175 when he got beat. many was a flyweight when he got beat by terrecampo and look what he accomplished. I’m not putting Adamek on any kind of pedestal but just saying that a man from a lower weight division can move up and be a competitive contender in a higher division and history proves it.

Posted June 17, 2013 4:20 pm 


Spinks moved up, won the HW Championship from an ATG something Vitali proved he could not do and defended 4 times including another win over Holmes… What’s has Adamek done? Outbox Arreola and struggle with Chambers and Cunningham… Beat a few 90’s relics on points??? Give it up we all KNOW Tomas is done at HW

Posted June 17, 2013 4:09 pm 


Adamek was a player at 175 and Cruiser… Above 200 he is not a real force… He outboxed Arreola who has heavy hands and a padded record…beyond that he’s has beat some scrubs handily yet needed gifts to get by even small HW’s like Cunnigham
And Chambers who MANY thought he lost to… Adameks not force at HW he ducked Pulev because the guy has heavy hands and Tomas has NOT been looking good at HW as of late..Mike Spinks got a belt from a guy who was just shy of cracking Marcianos record and defended 4 times before a streaking Mike Tyson cleaned his clock… Spinks was a BETTER LHW and HW than Adamek EVER was or will be and I like Goral he has heart but he’s a poor sell as a Top Quality HW opponent for A SHW like Vitali…

Posted June 17, 2013 4:05 pm 


None the less, Spinks was a lh who moved up,even though eventually getting crushed by Tyson.

Posted June 17, 2013 4:01 pm 

Yuri Russia

TARK you talk the biggest bullcrap I ever seen. LOL You are total idiot! Never I have seen so much bullcrap from person in my life. You biggest idiot in world.

Posted June 17, 2013 3:39 pm 


Spinks eked out wins against Holmes Adameks struggling at HW he needed gifts against Cunningham and Chambers… Man please!

Posted June 17, 2013 3:37 pm 


Adamek has been part of the mix which would would be there competing with the other contenders for a title or two if the bros weren’t at the top. Then too lhight heavies and cruisers have been moving into the heavy division all along.
Wasn’t mike Spinks a lh? what about Moorer? Holyfield was the cruiser. there’s plenty of them in history. We can argue the same about Floyd’s opponents being weak opposition. Come to think of it…that’s what we’ve been doing!

Posted June 17, 2013 3:03 pm 


And it was sredmond as always who digresses into some bigot or non boxing related issue on this site as he just did with lionking who gave sredmond a tidbit of info and sred ran with it. I’m so tired of this savage redmond.

Posted June 17, 2013 3:00 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

“I’ll still be productive past 100…” the Tard said.

Great, when are you going to start, asshat?

Posted June 17, 2013 2:46 pm 


Bears, I KNOW you have chosen to take up for the Lion King and as such you are gonna have to endure some additional abuse.. You say “getting arrested does not mean he is a felon”…. HOW do you KNOW the man just got arrested? HE says HE “went to jail and is not afraid to die”….. Thats NOT how someone who spent a night in the cooler because they are drunk talks UNLESS they are PHONY or they have done a stint…AGAIN do you KNOW the Lion King personally and you were NOT even discussing this before I brought his foul commentary to the attention of the board… AGAIN I seek NO allies because I know what I read and I know who is who… But its typical BEARS to jump out there and defend people he was NO knowledge of… You are REALLY gonna screw yourself in life with that follower mentality… I have told you more times than one to stop being other mens DOGS, the man claims JAIL proudly so he is gonna be called on this especially when lying about advanced degrees and being a productive member or society…

Posted June 17, 2013 2:45 pm 


Vitali has accomplished a lot and is still there. ODLH needs to sell his magazine to someone who can be real.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:44 pm 


Martinez is NOT even CLOSE to Floyd weight Class… Floyd fights guys who have credentials and achieved something the Klits are facing a parade of sparring partners and dead men… This is why FMJ is NUMERO UNO in the sport and the top Revenue Generator while the Klits are banished from North America due to rampant boredom and lack of quality name opposition…

Posted June 17, 2013 2:37 pm 


These guys in the heavyweight division wouldn’t seem so weak if they weren’t being dominated by the Klitschkos though. There would be 4 titles available for all of them to scramble for and we’d be seeing much more activity among the contenders rather than caution. Anyway I was checking out Ring magazines p4p list in the July issue which came out just prior to Floyd’s bout with Guerrero. They show Robert as #8 on the list. however…Vitali is not to be found! Bradley and Donaire are nine and ten. These are the views of Ring magazines of “experts”. Well I guess Vitali is nothing when you consider someone who can beat Berto.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:36 pm 


Bears, Kovalev has NOT beat anyone of note… Matthysee is the TRUTH he has basically put down every World Class boxer he faced and I thought he got robbed against Alexander in St Louis… AGAIN you don’t know boxing I admire you trying to focus more away from these forgettable HW’s but its gonna take you time to get up to SPEED… and your just NOT a very smart guy the dyslexia hampers your ability to process information quickly and thats needed when I am shooting bullets at your dome…. Sorry Cub!

Posted June 17, 2013 2:35 pm 


Tark, you are the guy who is calling Cotto “An ATG” to oversell Trout… Cotto is a HOF and one of my favorites Bears has knocked him on more than one occasion or do you think he is a HOFER now Bears? Please Flip Flop like usual because your sometimes DADDY Tark is in the room….Tark you wanna talk about “Ridicuously Weak” you tried to sell me N’dou, that version of Mosley and Baldomir and indicators of Canelos ability to fight and how he is a superior talent to Oscar De La Hoya who has belts in 6 fights and fought a CRAZY number of name talents….AGAIN you are a bandwagoneer I like Broner and Canelo but would not be shocked if either became another Cintron, Paul Williams, Juanma or even the recently dismissed Chad Dawson…. Class tells over time and Floyd Mayweather has proved his point against World Class opposition for 17 years winning lineal Championships in 3 weight classes…

Posted June 17, 2013 2:32 pm 


Your discussions of Klitschkos political future are VERY touching and as for insults I see you hurl them ALL the time so don’t get SOFT…. We are discussing his standing in BOXING he will NEVER be considered the GOAT its impossible when a more accomplished fighter fought during his entire era and when he was retired… Wlad is NOT the GOAT but Vitali is WAYYYYYYY away from that… The quality of his brain post career is NOT in question its the QUALITY of his resume which is SORELY lacking and attempts to somehow FORGE Lennox Lewis in the “Win Column” are not gonna work…. Vitalis best win is SAM PETER and thats simply NOT gonna cut it….Or Arreola who NEVER beat a Top 10 fighter in his life and keeps losing with the slightest step up, hes headed towards club fighter status…

Posted June 17, 2013 2:24 pm 


I didn’t think wach as weak at all. Looked strong and his jaw looked badass. I don’t think thompson was weak. Or haye or peter or byrd or a ton of klitschko oponents. Heavyweights not a division I would characterize as weak any day. That’s where the power is and anyone can stop anyone. Love the way wlad iced brock to a faceplant then stepped on his ankle accidently as he walked over his corpse. Love the way wlad changed chambers life forever reaped moments of his life he will never get back like some grim reaper in a scar KO! Loved wlad john wayne-esque stoppage of ray austin using one arm. HIS WEAKER ARM! THE LEFT ARM! Its a great time to be a boxing fan. So much talent in boxing right now everywhere you look. And the wildcards. The ko masters. Mathysee, gg, kovelev the skull crusher, the klitschkos, donare was making his way there. Haye might make his way there if he starts being active. Jennings is knocking all his opponents out. Abdusamalov another ko beast. Wilder (though he needs to step up).

Posted June 17, 2013 2:23 pm 


Sredmond.., You love to attack people personally when your arguments are ridiculously weak…

In 25 years I’ll still be around because my parents lived to 97 and 98… You’ll be dead Sredmond.. I’ll still be productive past 100… Vitali will enjoy fame, fortune, and great health, maybe as a past Prime Minister of Ukraine.. He won’t be punch drunk like Ali and Frazier.. Who knows — Vitali may meet with Barack Obama as part of his Ukranian Parlimentary duties before Obama leaves the White House.

Unlike Ali, Louis, Lewis, Frazier, Marciano, Liston, Jeffries, Dempsey, Michael Spinks, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, and most other former Heavyweight Champions, Vitali is very determined to do important things in the world after his boxing career is over.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:19 pm 



Posted June 17, 2013 2:17 pm 


Bears, sooooo you admit that you stalked another man on Social media because he raped your brain via the Internet?? This is a SHAMEFUL admission Bears and you use the word “We” so you worked with others and STILL FAILED to prove anything ABSENT being on my jock… Did I say the Klits ducked anyone? I said thei opponents were WEAK yet you laud them and dismiss world ranked fighters as “Garbage” this is patently illogical! The sound you hear is me pinning your shot to the Board..!

Posted June 17, 2013 2:14 pm 


Who has gueerero beat and who has beat him and what weight classes can we say he dominated? He beat a garbage berto and gets a floyd fight and ranked in the top ten. I’m saying guerero is and always was garbage. That there are contenders above and below him at 147 who will smoke him. That his rank at 147 will ONLY decline. Chiefly, that gueerero will ammount to some garbage floyd sparring session sold as a ppv. That will be his legacy. Although I’ve said everything below. Why are you asking again? You think because dan rafael places him it changes something? Lol.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:13 pm 


Bears, let’s Ask WHY you are SOOO supportive of a self admitted Felon who says “he’s not afraid to die” ?????? Do you really get that mentality by being in Jail overnight for drink driving??? He said it NOT me but again I am sure you will be fine when you daughter brings home Jailbirds and Felons in the future as long as they are Klit Fans right??? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!

Posted June 17, 2013 2:10 pm 


The Lewis fight is a pathetic attempt by a boxer to try and win a fight politically… Vitali failed and continues to be a LOWLY single belt holder desperately trying to leech credit from his brother and Lennox Lewis scrotum… Klits stats were compiled against a C level host of boxers no one special his best win Sam Peter a chubby B level guy who’s best wins were a FAT former 160 pounder James Toney, and Maskaev who had already been stopped a couple times… Klits is a nice guy but his overall quality cannot be hidden behind stats compiled against relative nobodies… Real fans are not fooled, that’s why HW’s have been kicked off the continent no one wants to watch these rancid matchups in North America

Posted June 17, 2013 2:07 pm 


Vitali won’t be “The Goat” in 1000 years he’s not even the best now.. Having your little brother beat the undersized HW you QUIT against makes you mor PUNK than GOAT SHAMEFUL…!!! Klits is receding from consciousness by the day the mans not gonna crack the top 10!!! Lmao…. In 25 years he will still be quoting his stats and trying to rematch Lewis from a rocking chair while the REAL Greats are still enjoying thei lofty position…. Tark you will be pushing up daisies in 25 years and more senile than you are now…

Posted June 17, 2013 2:01 pm 


Vitali Kllitschko will definitely be the GOAT in 25 years unless a greater heavyweight comes along… Vitali trashed 3 boys who beat Wladimir twice and knocked him down 8 times… Wladimir destroyed Chris Bryd twice, and everybody knows Vitali would have done the same if he didn’t suffer a freak injury to his left shoulder…

Even injured… Vitali was never dropped — and never lost the points lead.. He was beating Lewis on ALL CARDS when that fight was stopped due to deep gashes in Vitali’s face that a careful study of the video record proves were produced by slashes with the heel and palm of Lewis’s right glove while he held Vitali in a head lock with his left..

It’s easy to see the fight should have gone to the scorecards — where Vitali deserved a UD victory — since he was beating Lewis in ALL CARDS!!!

Posted June 17, 2013 1:57 pm 


Derrick, I am NOT SURPRISED you support the “Lion Kings” BIGOTED comments again I have argued with many like you before on ESB… A psycho looks into another posters online profile and calls him “The N Word” is levelheaded? Clearly you are part of the the clique that Lion Kinh belongs to… That said I don’t strike deals with the Devil and I don’t fawn for allies like Bears and many of the weak on here… I speak my piece like it or not you gotta deal with it :)

Posted June 17, 2013 1:52 pm 


Guerrero fought the BEST fighter in the world he was supposed to lose jus like Canelo is expected to LOSE… Floyd is undefeated for 17 years and Thompson got bumped after beating Price who had what 15 fights?? And got exposed as Chinny by a 41 year old coming off a KO loss… After Wlad cracked hIm again Thompson was outta the Top 10…. But you wanna GUSH over a 41 year old BADLY outta shape fighter who capped a newbie? But Guerrero who was prime and had not lost in years is a mistake? You don’t know boxing AT ALL!

Posted June 17, 2013 1:47 pm 












Posted June 17, 2013 1:46 pm 


Really Bear, so Dan Rafael and Ring Magazine are BOTH wrong for ranking Guerrero #7 at WW and winning titles in 4 divisions is not worthy of being considered World Class? That’s ridiculous what we are gonna listen to your ranking system?? On what planet ??

Posted June 17, 2013 1:42 pm 


I couldn’t care less what ring has guerrero rated at. I’m sure they had thompson rated hight for the second wlad fight. Somebodies subjective ranking is as good as anyone elses. I’m saying guerrero was never that good and never will be. There are more 147 pound fighters who will smoke him that are ranked below him. Lol. U will see his downward slide will continue. He may even try to slide back down in weight but nothing will help. Guerrero is garbage. His rankings will reflect that 6 months and a year from now. Then we will see your shanty argument collapse. I can google rankings to but I can do one better. I can think for myself and its AWESOME. You however can not and never have. Again you offer no insight

Posted June 17, 2013 1:38 pm 



Posted June 17, 2013 1:33 pm 


Nobody is gonna be calling guerrero world class and if they ever did they didn’t know what was up obviously. Who’s comparing guerrero to klitschko opponents as u claim?

Posted June 17, 2013 1:26 pm 


Bears, this is RING Magazines Current Rating of Guerrero…. Where are Wach, Pianeta, Mormeck and Charr?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Those scrubs are NOT World Class!

7.Robert Guerrero

Country: U.S.
Record: 31-2-1 (18 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 8 | Last Week: 8 | Weeks On List: 42

Posted June 17, 2013 1:21 pm 


You really need help Sredmond… seriously.

Posted June 17, 2013 1:13 pm 


Bears OF COURSE I am gonna use a guy saying “he went to jail then saying he is a proofreader with an MBA” I despise liard and frauds something a BUM like you should know after the million times I have SHAT upon your face and thought processes… Like yourself the Lion King sought me out in Cyberspace and wanted to discuss well I am gonna be HARD on these sorts again the FAN Worship is flattering coming from WOMEN we know you and that cripple back in the day pulled the old Facebook Card… If the Lion King wants to call me out so be it there are going to be jousts thats just my nature…Did you see your daughter on Fathers day or was she with your Ex Girlfriends new virile man who has ACTUALLY finished school unlike yourself??? Have you gotten your degree yet man?? Damn it Undergrad is easy, party, study, screw and pass…. Get with the PROGRAM scrub!

Posted June 17, 2013 1:12 pm 


Bears, OF COURSE you cannot read ANYTHING you don’t want to see and you would support SATAN if it served your purposes.. You are a DOG that I utilize to show the reality of a daft mind and lack of REASON… I ALREADY predicted you would cradle Lion Kings balls and ignore and equivocate regarding anything that was highly negative… You are my PUPPET, I mindless HICK from the backwoods of ILL that I play with like childs toy… ! :)

Posted June 17, 2013 1:07 pm 


Keep on babbling Sredmond, but it won’t change the fact, that you’re wrong.

Posted June 17, 2013 1:04 pm 


Bears, look at the Top 10 rankings and Pianeta, Wach and Mormeck are NOWHERE to be found… Because they have NEVER been there legitimately these men are FODDER not even on the level of the Pulev ect… Don’t knock Mayweather for abusing a World Class fighter 7 years his Jr and then support the Klits for beating up a coupld of 40 year olds one of whom he had already stopped before and was beating BUMS in the interim (Thompson) or two NOBODIES like Wach and Pianeta

Posted June 17, 2013 1:03 pm 


Lion king is cool. Nowhere in your posts does he say he has ent to jail and then retracted seems to me he says he has a degree and has been arrested before. Big deal. Hey lion king and everyone else. Don’t give sredmond any information about yourself. He’s only gonna try feeble ways to use it against you. Tell him nothingof personal info. Just tell him he’s a turd in east sides toilet bowl that needs FLUSHED

Posted June 17, 2013 1:01 pm 


Bears, experts do AGREE that Guerrero is a WORLD CLASS boxers whereas Pianeta and Co are NOT World Class HW’s thats commonsense MORON… Dan Rafael who YOU LOVE on Guerrero….. who he ranks 7th at WW……7. Robert Guerrero (31-2-1)

“The Ghost” talked a good game for the almost two years he called out Floyd Mayweather Jr., but when he got his shot May 4, he did almost nothing, ate a ton of right hands and lost a lopsided decision. Guerrero is a very good fighter, but Mayweather is a great one. Ten days after the fight Guerrero pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct on gun charges against him in New York, was fined $250 and ordered to complete 50 hours of community service.

Posted June 17, 2013 1:01 pm 


NOTE that the Lion King says he has BEEN to jail in ONE post and then says he is a proofreader with a Masters in another thread? He wants to come to NYC THEN he wants to come to Phoenix and Denver? this man is a LIAR who’s inconsistencies are comical… I am just blasting him because of the HUGE amounts of AMMO this Cyber Punk and Bigot has left for me to showcase… AGAIN the spins, denials etc are coming OR he will avoid his grim handiwork alltogether… These sorts NEVER like to be exposed!! So which is it man? Felon or MBA?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 17, 2013 12:57 pm 


So where you at Lion King?? You wanted to call people racial slurs and issue threats… Whassup man? you were scanning my Twitter profile like a HORNY school girl time to man up… You claim you’re a FELON (only a loser would be proud of this) but you are you B@#CH enough to stand by your words??

Posted June 17, 2013 12:33 pm 


Bears, are you ADMITTING that the Klits recent Comp is trash and as USUAL you have resorted to BIGOTRY and discussion of RACE when you are bent over….??????? Cannot help yourself Bears or do you deny these statements YOU made below ???

Posted June 17, 2013 12:06 pm 


Bears, that post below makes NO sense whatsoever… The fact is Guerrero is a multi-weight Champion what did Mormeck, Pianeta, Charr, Wach and Thompson II accomplish at HW?? Mormeck was 40 coming off a 2 years layoff, Pianeta is NOT a world ranked contender he is a former Wlad sparring partner, Thompson was 41 and had ALREADY been knocked out by Wlad (sparring partner) Wach was a guy who looked like he had Muscular Dystrophy and was not a Top 10 fighter… Charr is a NOBODY who had LOW KO percentage something YOU say you HATE in HW’s (of course his standards will change)….. Meanwhile Guerrero UPSET Berto and booked a quality win over Aydin at 147 establishing his readiness in a FOTY bout… He had already had titles in other divisions as have FLOYD, Pacquiao, Marquez and Donaire…. AGAIN you LAUD the Klits for slaying guys who are NOBODIES not even beating the ranked dead men that populate HW but when Guerrero gets in the ring with credentials you call him “Garbage” AGAIN you don’t know boxing…

Posted June 17, 2013 12:05 pm 


HaHaHa, listen to the SNIPER below he is trying to sell BOO’s over a TKO loss on a mans record coupled with a cracked GRILL…. All these NEW AGE metrics when a guy cannot except his fighter LOST…. Next you nuts will say “his wife still made love to him”…… Vitali LOST the fight who cares that people wanted to see more bloodshed and him leaking all over the ring?

Posted June 17, 2013 11:59 am 


If you wanna know who the REAL winner was, then go and watch the fight AGAIN and JUST LISTEN TO THE CROWD. They CHEERED VITALI and BOOED OUT LENNOX. And this in US, where Lennox was a hero…I mean, how shameful is this for Lennox ?! He ended his career as a LOSER. Not to mention, that he was scared to death of Vitali ! He ran away from him !

Posted June 17, 2013 11:08 am 


Bears, did you try and use the word “Objective” ??? In your book that means 55 double standards, cheering for losers and most importantly EXCUSES For losses or wins when a fighter you like or dislike is in the convo… Unless I missed it you cannot even committ to accepting the results of the Mayweather/Alvarez bout absent any postfight excuses?? How is this objectivity? NO RATING AGENCY has V Klits as the Top HW in the World, I simply AGREE that he’s NOT and thus it’s impossible to sell him as Top Man historically based on that without even dragging his famished resume into the equation…When I say “Floyd’s top Dog” that’s backed by the powers that be and the public which pays him more than any other sportsman to do his business…Again you are a NUT who thinks Canelo utterly dominated Trout when not even your fellow sack Rider Tark agrees with that one… Canelos a very good young fighter but he’s getting outclassed and YOU are gonna make excuses…

Posted June 17, 2013 10:19 am 

? aka Angie

The Klitschkos are just SO MUCH BETTER than everyone else ! It’s not a weak era at all, it’s just a non-competitive one.

Posted June 17, 2013 9:04 am 

? aka Angie

The Klitschkos are just SO MUCH BETTER than everyone else… This is not a weak era. It’s just a non-competitive one.

Posted June 17, 2013 9:02 am 


Guerrero has WAY more accolades than the last 4 or 5 Klit opponents yet he’s “garbage” you don’t know boxing AT ALL… Charr, Mormeck, Pianeta, and Wach NOW that’s garbage right there yet you pretend it’s a murderers Row?? Experts agree Guerreros a Workd Class fighter and multi weight Champ that said he’s a TON better than these EPICALLLY BAD Klit Foes

Posted June 17, 2013 8:18 am 


Bears, Guerrero beat down a very good former WW Champ that he was slated to lose to he’s NOT a “Garbage Fighter” in the least!! Guerrero had already gotten 1 quality wins at 147 before FMJ schooled him… Maybe I missed it but did YOU committ to NO come EXCUSES come fight night with Canelo?? You seem supremely confident in a boxer you call “The Matrix”
So put your money where your mouth is… If FMJ loses I have no excuses…! Can you make this SIMPLE committment OR NOT? Bottomline is you wanna leave yourself an OUT when Floyd takes this PUP to school…

Posted June 17, 2013 8:14 am 


Vitali has LESS than a 0% chance of being considered the best and Top 10 is outta reach with that dreadful resume… He is now the #2 HW Fighter during his own era and his legacy is QUITTING in his prime, getting stopped by an ATG in his prime, trying to live off a LOSS for a decade and running (SHAMEFUL) and beating Samuel Peter… The elder Klit is not a serious contender for wide acceptance as a historically premier HW he deserves his HOF induction for his consistency against Cruisers, leftovers and Old men but that’s as good as its getting…his brother ate his lunch and saying “Wlad says he’s a better fighter” ain’t cutting it LMAO! A testimonial in lieu of accomplishment!! Nonsense Klits is like a credit hungry buzzard trying to pretend that winning 4 rounds against Lewis is something better than a committed sparring partner… By the time he faces Lewis Lennoa had been stopped 2x, the loss to Rahman fairly recent and Vitali won 4 weak rounds absent the 2nd during which he was getting his face rearranged as Lewis warmed up… Klits legacy is simply not that terrific settle for the Hall and move on he’s not even close to the “Best Ever” that’s a JOKE only sellable on these threads populated by a few zealous fanatics…! Read and learn

Posted June 17, 2013 7:53 am 


Tark, Floyd has NEVER looked slow the fact that a HOF fighter like Cotto made contact is an indicator he’s HUMAN not and indicator he’s slow… What fighter has Cotto NOT hit? Even his worst losses Margarito and Pacquiao he did significant damage to BOTH fighters… The fact that Floyd takes LESS punishment than any boxer facing World Class comp makes everyone “Ooooh And Ahhhh” when they see him get a bloody nose when thats just part of boxing and he STILL won the fight going away… Canelos gonna look like a mummy we know Floyd’s gonna give him a lot of movement as is prudent…

Posted June 17, 2013 7:24 am 


I don´t consider this to be a serious article. Not objective, not professionally written. Just an opinion of a fan but nothing that should be on a boxing website.
Poor effort, Mr. Smith!

Posted June 17, 2013 3:42 am 

spartacus 65

Yes. Lennox Lewis went out with a question mark there. Wnen you are being offered milliins of dollars for a rematch against a man who gave you a good go at it, pride as a champion should trump the money. Still the money is a darn good incentive win or lose. Lewis chose to retire on a shakey pergormance. I never did sit well with that. Vitaly is very effective in what he does. Time will tell the story. Peace and strength gentlemen.

Posted June 17, 2013 3:38 am 

spartacus 65

Tark I have to say I agree with you there my friend. There is no way max baer or jim jeffries beats Ali or Jack Johnson. A HUGE gap in ability in those fictitous matchups. Dempsey would not have been s mstvh for either in my view. Tunney who was in a sense Ali.before Ali actually came on the scene took Dempsey apart artfully to say the least. Archie moore also attested to marciano bruising his arms and midriff to the point he couldn’t keep his arms up. ALL THESE OLDTIME HALL OF FAMERS FROM JOE LOUIS TO HOLMES WETE SOME BAD BOYS. TOUGH BROTHER. TOUGH.

Posted June 17, 2013 3:24 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Agree with TARK and BEARS that Vitali Klitschko is the GOAT. Never once touched the canvas and never once been behind on points. If it wasn’t for VK’s four year lay- off due to injuries, VK would own the lion’s share of the HW titles — including the Ring.

Second place on the GOAT HW list come down to Wlad or Lewis. Some may rank LL as second best, but keep in mind that VK forced him into retirement at just 37, when LL didn’t even reach his prime until 34-36. Lennox used to say, “I’m like a fine wine… I get better as I get older.” Funny how quickly that tune changed after he was outboxed by VK.

Prediction: Wlad will continue to rack-up the WINS and will retire with such AMAZING stats & record that most pundits/analysts won’t be able to deny him as the 2nd best HW ever — if not the GOAT. It may take 20 years after the K-Bros retire for boxing fan and analysts to fully appreciate their greatness, but it WILL HAPPEN. Mark my words.

Posted June 17, 2013 3:21 am 

spartacus 65

Hi Tark. Good to see you up and around champ. No actually Ali did comment on the sparring. He did say Marciano bruised up his arms and midsection. The knockdown bodyshot was cobborated by Ferdie Pacheco. Ali also did say in a few interviews that Rocky was harder to hit with a jab than he thought. Marciano for his part wore a ridiculous wig that Ali knocked off his head several times. Lol. Marciano did say that Muhammad was so fast and accurate that he could throw the shot and stop just less than inches short of his face. He considered Ali to be the heavyweight version of sugar ray Robinson. In an actual fight I eould say that due to Rockys skin and his tendency to cut, Ali would win on a stoppage due to cuts. By the same token Frazier fought very similar to Marciano and had great success. Who’s to say? Both men were fine champions. I have that computer novelty fight by the way with all the commentary. Cool stuff

Posted June 17, 2013 3:08 am 


Yes vitaly is the GOAT. Too many accolades to deny that. Nobody compares to all the individual. Great qualities and accomplishments vitaly has had. Even took mike tysons guiness book of world records ko record. Vitaly the natural fighter. What a badass. The detailed history of vitalys boxing career is unrivaled. From kickboxing to boxing to his own style and basically relying on his own natural style and instinct. To all his accomplishments. I agree vitaly stands alone at heavyweight. Its crazy to think of how bad h would smash everyone to bits. Especially the little guys from the early 70s back. BRUTAL

Posted June 17, 2013 2:51 am 


spartacus 65…. Actually you got the story backwards… Marciano lifted up his shirt to show the media bruises all over his body, and said, “I”ve been sparring with Muhammad Ali.. This is the proof.”

As you know, Ali was NOT a body puncher… Ali did that because he didn’t want to rip the old man’s face up… The computer had Max Baer beating Jack Johnson — Jim Jeffries beating Muhammad Ali — and (naturally) had Marciano beating Dempsey in the finals.

An all-white finals to decide the all-time best heavyweight and they came up with 2 cruiserweights.

Ali said… “I got beaten by a 46-year-old man, and a computer that was made in Alabama.”

Anyway… Vitali Klitschko was the best Heavyweight Champion.. Never knocked down in any fight.. Never behind on points in any fight.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:42 am 


Sred- because gueerero was garbage has nothing to do with jmm. Guerrero will NEVER be ANYTHING at 147. No matter who the best are at 147. Guerrero will NEVER be one of them. Ortiz will never be amongst the best. They r both garbage. Has nothing to do with jmm. The more I read your posts I swear you seem to be exponentially getting more inept and more addle-brained. You like to go al off resume instead of watch tape of fights and fighters. Diaz and salido and the poor stoppage rate featherfists told us everything we need to know about guerrero, even berto. If u watch tape u know berto is no litmus test. Ortiz the same thing. If these fighters were as good as you think, they wouldn’t fall away into obscurity. They would have success against other fighters. Similar to cotto. Ortiz got his jaw browke by a guy canelo smoked. Gueerero will continue to do the ortiz and fall into obscurity. Both those guys will fold against top contenders not even the champs. Neither one has a bright future in boxing. They are mediocre fighters and anyone trying to talk them up please reference the bouts in which you can site to talk them up. Then we will go from there. Gueerero and ortiz are garbage so is berto. Any questions, comments, or concerns? Some addl-brains think if you collect a trinket or better collct a trinket in multiple weight divisions, surely we need not look any further. Must be an awesomefighter. Lolololoololo @ them

Posted June 17, 2013 2:32 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

spartacus 65: Yeah… I heard about that computer-simulated fight between Ali and Rocky about 20 years ago. I had also heard that Marciano was decided to the victor of their cyber match, but it’s very interesting for me to hear the details of how it really went down. Simply fascinating. Not surprising to be though, because I watched the old replays of little CW Joe Frazier beating the piss outta Ali — twice. Now we know that if Frazier’s corner wouldn’t have thrown in the towel at the end of the 14th, Ali never would’ve been able to answer the bell for the 15th. Ali was dead on the stool and rushed to the hospital after the Thrilla; he was pissing blood for weeks.

And of course there are a few questionable gift decisions for Ali: one being vs. Ken Norton.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:29 am 

spartacus 65

Lionking , I lived in Brooklyn and Queens. Some really cool times back then champ. Have to say I liked Queens better. Me and my buddies used to spar and go running around the Belmont aracetrack areas in the winter. Good times. Loved to breathe in that cold air. Neither Tyson or Dempsey belong in the top five. Tyson was a killer and he was the youngest to win the heavyweight title. That in my book qualifies him for the top ten. Dempsey sat on the title after he defended it a couple of times. Then he ran into the fighting marine and promptly saw the few and the proud are made of. Lol.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:19 am 

spartacus 65

Lion king, cont. Ali lifts up his shirt and shows a huge welt on his midsection and says, He can hit! Teue story. For a 188 pounder, Rocky truly had freakish power. The Rock said of Ali, that he never saw ANYBODY that fast.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:03 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

spartacus 65: I didn’t realize that you’re from NYC. What part of the city you from, man? I spent some time in the Big Apple years ago, but haven’t been back for quite a while. Thanks for the heads-up about that Holmes interview with Tyson. I’ll try to track it down on YouTube when I get the time. It’s unusual to come across guys — even on a boxing site like ESB — who think the exact same way about Tunney, Holmes and Ali. I firmly believe in the age-old adage: “great minds think alike.” Can’t tell you how many GOAT HW lists I’ve seen that have Ali, Dempsey and Tyson in the top 3-5. WTF? My first thought is: Wow… this guy is just another poser who really doesn’t understand the sweet science — or its long, fact-based history.

Posted June 17, 2013 2:01 am 

spartacus 65

Squared circle(lion king) , I came across a pretty interesting story about Rocky and Ali. During Muhammads three year exile from the ring in order to pay his bills he agreed toa “computer ” fight with Marciano. Ali saw a way to make some extra dough and Rocky agreed if for nothing else to kill time. Or so it seemed. Ali was a bit pudgey but got into reasonable shape. The Rock however took it seriously and trained as if he was going to actually have a real fight with Ali. They basically were shooting scenes and doing exhibition type sparring which would be fed into the computer ,that in turn would process the data and come up with a winner. Well at some point Ali threw a jab which the Rock slipped and he landed a thudding shot to Muhammads ribcage which promptly DROPPED Ali on his can. Ali gets up and they continue until it was time to call it a wrap. Later at a dinner a Writer asked Ali what was it like sparring around

Posted June 17, 2013 1:55 am 


You can look fast — or you can look slow… Depending on whether you’re getting cracked smack in the snoot or not.

Floyd looked plenty slow when Cotto cracked him with flush jabs that spread Floyd’s nose all over his face—and got the blood flowing. Out came the Q-Tips.

Canelo looked blazing fast when he ducked, dodged, and evaded rapid-fire fusillades of Austin Trout punches—without getting Q-Tips shoved up his nose between rounds—or even getting a mark on him.

Floyd told Cotto, “This is the toughest fight I’ve ever had—and you’re the toughest fighter I’ve ever fought.” Now ask Shane Mosley, “Who’s the faster boxer is Cotto or Alvarez???”

Shane lost to both so he would know. He had great praise for Alvarez’s speed and skill—and so did Trout.

Posted June 17, 2013 1:45 am 


Lame. If you go into the ring thinking ” a strategy” is going to beat Meayweather, than you’ve already lost. LOL

Its not just his cat like reflexes and non-traditional punching angles that beat opponents, its his increadable depth of knowledge. Its like taken the mind of all time great trainer and giving him the body of a supreme athlete. He adjusts on the fly and advisaries are left flat footed with their hands in their pockets.

Posted June 17, 2013 1:23 am 


The ONLY thing clear about Marquez against Floyd is that he LOST!! The idea that Marquez would choose Floyd Mayweather to take lightly simply underscores the intense denial in
Posters like Hidalgo and begs the question WHEN will the EXCUSES stop? We already know the 1.5 pounds will be the excuse this time around?? So let’s be honest there is No way some of you will accept a fight result you DON’T like… This is more game than true sportsmanship to some… Every loss has a plot and subplot like a Fiction Novel…Marquez is a Great fighter but he’s NOT, NEVER Was and NEVER Will be in Floyds class..

Posted June 17, 2013 1:21 am 

Floyd Lieweather

Lieweather has only taken this fight now because he knows Alvarez would murder him with a little more experience under his belt. Fact

Lieweather said he doesn’t do catchweights. Fact

De La Hoya beat Lieweather. Fact

Jose Luis Castillo beat Lieweather. Fact

Zab Judah was beating him easily until he hurt his hand. Fact

Lamont Peterson battered Lieweather when they sparred together. Fact

An Irish bum broke Lieweather’s ribs when he sparred against him. Fact.

Paul Spadaforda schooled Lieweather in sparring. Fact

Lieweather has beaten bums and ducked his biggest challenges. Fact

Lieweather is not an ATG. Fact.

Posted June 17, 2013 1:20 am 


ODH is doing well as a promoter while Floyd defeated him and ultimately DEFEATS whomever He and Schaefer put forth as a sacrificial lamb… Canelo is the next guy who won’t have enough and while FMJs hand is raised you and the excuses makers will die a LITTLE more inside…. Mayweather is NOT the highest paid athlete on the Planet because he sucks and a few gutless Internet posters are denying OBVIOUS talent and skill….Canelo is about to be another casualty in the ongoing Mayweather story, he might lose but it won’t be to Canelo, kids too slow…

Posted June 17, 2013 1:13 am 

spartacus 65

Squared circle (Lion king) , What’s up champ. Im doing swell. Actually I just got back a couple of days ago from visiting my family in New York. At times I really miss the big Apple. Some good memories. Funny you mention Homes. I saw a pretty cool interview that Larry did with iron Mike Tyson! Larry conducted the interview. Nice piece. Caught it on YouTube. I have to say in regards to holmes and tunney, both had very similar boxing acumen . Very proficient,technical ringmen. More so than Ali who relied on guile once his reflexes slowed down a tad. Some remarkabke parallels between Tunney and Holmes. Admire and respect both men for their sportsmanship and successes after they left the squared circle. They were not anybody’s fool.

Posted June 17, 2013 1:13 am 


Let’s get something straight “Crying Queen aka Lion King” Mayweather defeated Castillo and ODH both are DEAD in the sport while he is the MOST POWERFUL FIGHTER in boxing… He is consensus P4P #1, made 85 mill last year and is still trucking at 36… Oscar and Castillo are the past… You yanking yourself over lost bouts cannot help with the rage and depression you feel EVERTIME I best you and Floyd bests another opponent… Floyd’s in the boxing throne and young Canelo is not knocking him off… So stop whining like a c*nt and decide what YOU want to do…. Were you not trying to wager with other posters about me?? So when are you gonna show us your stuff or was that all just tough talk on the Internet??

Posted June 17, 2013 1:07 am 


Squared Circle you are not ignoring ANYTHING because like the little impotent boy you are your dumb tactic is to try and sell me as EVERY poster on this site… Didnt you say you were coming to NYC and smashing me ??? Or are you backing down, you begged and begged so I said OK I will be at the Broner/Maliganggi bout on the 22nd… You the became fearful and backtracked are you coming or was that a BLUFF like I knew it ALWAYS was… Do you deny challenging me on the Broner/ Malignaggi thread…????
Please do I love bagging the inept in lies… :)

Posted June 17, 2013 12:58 am 


There is ALWAYS an excuse when a guy gets in the ring with Mayweather!! Bears is picking Canelo for the upset but cannot even commit to LEAVING excuses at the door for the outcome??? I have already said whatever happens happens but I’m very confident of an EASY Mayweather victory… There is a contingent of posters who are gonna make excuses NO matter who and how Floyd wins…

Posted June 17, 2013 12:53 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

spartacus 65: Hey, what’s up man? Really enjoyed our discussions a few weeks ago about Tunney, Holmes, Ali, etc. And I totally agree with your assessment of “Q”/SREDMOND/Public Enemy and the fact that it’s best to just flat out ignore the guy. Peace be with you brother… try not to work too hard.

Posted June 17, 2013 12:53 am 


Hidalgo, “Juan Manuel Marquez did not take Mayweather seriously enough” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! The MOST talented and undefeated fighter of his career and you suggest JMM decided this was the guy he was gonna dog training on?? Was Floyd Buster Douglas? Or was he the guy making 25 mill because of his clout while JMM made 4 mill plus??? But OF course Marqwz wanted to slack on preparation because Floyds an easy night for everyone?? What a RIDICULOUS suggestion…!!

Posted June 17, 2013 12:49 am 


Bears, how was Guerrero “Garbage” he made to look like garbage despite a very solid record and multiple division titles… I guess you think Juan Manuel Marquez was garbage as well?? He got WORKED just as easily if not worse…. Floyd’s SOOOOO damn good you guys immediately downgrade top fighters because he’s on his OWN level… We will hear the SAME thing when Canelo is take to school…!

Posted June 17, 2013 12:44 am 

spartacus 65

Hidalgo,what’s up. Spot on my friend about Juan Manuel Marquez. He took the money and a shellacking. Shame on him. Yes, Nacho berstien dropped the ball on THAT one. Peace brother.

Posted June 17, 2013 12:40 am 

spartacus 65

Good evening gentlemen. Hope everyones Fathers day went well. My best advice to give to most of you who are pretty openminded and respectful fans is to do the following: DON’T REACT TO THIS Q PERSON. HEmight possibly be the same person going by the names some other fellas pointed out in earlier posts. I kind of suspected the same thing myself earlier today. He FEEDS off of your reactions. Just let this person spew out his diatribes and move on. Case in point. Assuming I must be a bigot because I SPEAK OUT AGAINST RACISM IN ANY FORM clearly shows this mans mindset is definitely off kilter. Translation: I must ne a bigot if I don’t speak glowingly of Floyd Mayweather. Gentlemen dont engage this person. It’s not worth it. As I said before, ESB has DEFINITELY changed and not particularly in some cases for the better. Peace and strength.

Posted June 17, 2013 12:36 am 

Herman Steindorf

F-Tards ………FM gonna get hit the deck a few times and maybe even feel the canvas on his arse. Maybe he loose like Trout because of a knock down. We need to outlaw those knockdowns before fight time. Maybe Obama can decree a new law to boxing just for F-tards and FM himself.

Posted June 17, 2013 12:30 am 

Herman Steindorf

Yah, those pesky knock down punches get in the way of a victory. So do the pesky KO punches, with out those the opponent might get the win. We are going to lobby to ban the knock downs and Ko and heavy punches so that the shoe shine bicycle boys can get a win from time to time.

Posted June 17, 2013 12:25 am 


“He lost a one sided bout JMM did that didn’t even show any signs of any hope at any changing doing anything ever. He clearly lost 12 of 12 rounds, and he just got out everythinged, and didn’t even make Floyd think outside the box. It was just a one sided, non-bout mismatch.” That’s a fact but I’ll ask you the same question that I asked SRedmond, Q. Who is better? Robert Guerrero or Juan Manuel Marquez? You know it’s Marquez–by leaps and bounds, yet Floyd shut them both out the same way.. And how would you rate Marquez on the whole compared to Guerrero? Guerrero isn’t even remotely close to being an ATG but Marquez sure as hell is one. I’ve always said that Floyd embarassed Marquez but in my estimation Marquez brought a lot of that embarassment on himself, first by moving up two weight divisions to fight at a weight he never had before, then by taking on the guy who reigned at that weight. Marquez lost all his speed when he moved up to welterweight. It was clear to me while watching him fight Floyd that he didn’t do his homework and his trainer Beristan severely let him down by not doing his. Juan jumped in for the money, los this common sense for the money. He didn’t expect to get blown out that way. IMO, he figured he was good enough to make a good showing against Floyd, but he still woefully and inadequately prepared for that fight. It showed in everything he did that night. That was not an ATG caliber performance. Are you going to tell me that Marquez is a lesser fighter than Cotto? Than Judah? Than De la Hoya? Guerrero, Mosley, Ortiz, or Hatton? Marquez was potentially the best fighter Floyd fought to that date, but that potentiality went out the window when Marquez went for the money instead of the win. As you said, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but you agreeing with SRedmond doesn’t make him any more right than he thinks he is. Of course Floyd womped Marquez’s butt that night, but Marquez could have done much better if he would have planned better and had better training. Money messed up his mind. Don’t believe that? Why did he agree to accept $600K when Floyd coudn’t make weight and thrusted a last minute contract into his face. Money. Well, Juan got his money. In return, he was made a fool of. His fault.

Posted June 16, 2013 11:08 pm 


Q… “Another judge would have given the fight to trout without the knockdown.”

Right…, Lamont Peterson might have beaten Lucas Matthysse without all those pesky knockdown punches.

Posted June 16, 2013 11:01 pm 


Maybe Canelo does know the strategy to beat Mayweather, but like the rest of Mayweather’s opponents, he’ll never be able to execute it because he doesn’t have what it takes.

Posted June 16, 2013 10:41 pm 


Sredmond… I’m not trying to sell a sparring session. Why get so defensive about the fact that Lamont Peterson messed up Floyd’s ribs to the point Floyd was injured bad enough to postpone his Marquez fight for months??? Just think what smaller gloves would have done to Floyd!!!

Of course I don’t think Lamont could do that to Canelo — or to potential opponent Lucas Matthysse—who quickly disposed of Lamont with 3 knockdowns in 3 rounds. You were guffawing about how much fun it was going to be to see Peterson whip Matthysse. Too bad you know nothing about boxing style dynamics. I tried to school you ahead of the fight, but you’re a poor listener.

BTW… Broner is looking to rule Boxing in a year … This has to mean he has his sights set on Floyd … and is praying Floyd squeaks past Alvarez.

Floyd definitely has the toughest fights of his life dead ahead of him.

Posted June 16, 2013 10:08 pm 

Ray Ray

Alvarez has alot of upside but I tend 2 agree with this writer….Heavy footed, not the greatest stamina, only no’s 1 way, and yeah probs lucky 2 get the win vs Trout….If Alvarez fights like that he will get his pants pulled down….CLearly a Mayweather win 4 me but i hope Alvarez has a gd crack and learns from it, could only help him 4 the future.

Posted June 16, 2013 9:37 pm 


thinks he no’s how 2 beat him? Or does no how 2 beat him? Hmmmm i think Alvarez and his fans may have bitten off more than they can chew…..but congrates 2 both guys giving the fans the figh they want.

Posted June 16, 2013 9:28 pm 


Q – you are a strange one.. , your not a mayweather fan, you seem obsessed about the man… weird mate, just weird… also the way you write is very similar to that other weirdo Sredmond, i suspect your the same person…

Posted June 16, 2013 9:13 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Q: “your vastly inferior*” Starting a phrase or sentence with a lower-case letter and ending it with an asterisk are both errors.

Posted June 16, 2013 8:38 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing): “You’re vastly inferior intellect and high-school level writing skills are nothing but pure comedy to someone like me. Your writing is always ridden with punctuation and grammatical errors, and your logic is often very skewed.” your vastly inferior*

Posted June 16, 2013 8:29 pm 


TARK: JMM spent most of his bouts at 126, and the highest percentage of Floyd’s career was at 130… that’s why JMM has moved up to and acclimated to 147 pounds, so I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean… meanwhile, Trout flicks and doesn’t commit, he fought a different fight than FMJ, and round to round it actually looked to be close than FMJ Vs. Cotto (on a round to round basis) and Floyd also did more physical damage to Cotto than Trout could, even having Cotto out on his feet in the 12th. Cotto didn’t land as many jabs as is let on, but he put his ALL into the couple that he landed, and this being a guy who has dropped guys with jabs. So with FLoyd’s fight (also being shorter than Trout and again committing and fighting close more with less mass) Floyd was in more of a tussle of a bout. Trout didn’t highly praise Canelo after the bout, he said he underestimated some things, but he is documented (filmed) saying that the open scoring affected him and that he thinks it was a close bout than at least one of the judges (and another would have given the fight to trout without the knockdown) Trout did this with less fire power than FMJ apparently has (if we are going off the Cotto fight) so we will have to see how things go.

Posted June 16, 2013 8:27 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Q: You’re vastly inferior intellect and high-school level writing skills are nothing but pure comedy to someone like me. Your writing is always ridden with punctuation and grammatical errors, and your logic is often very skewed — as coming from the perspective of a fan-boy who’s had his head stuck up FMJ’s ass for far too long. Lack of oxygen to the brain can really cloud your thought processes, you know.

Posted June 16, 2013 8:23 pm 


spartacus 65: You’re always writing about bigotry, so I’m now assuming that you’re a bit of a bigot yourself. I’ve taken note of your bias “voice of reason.” That’s all. Peace.

Posted June 16, 2013 8:18 pm 


BEARS: I don’t know where this debate started but it should end here. Both Guerrero and Ortiz were champions and the #1 contenders when they fought FMJ (Ortiz #1 champ under Manny at the time and Guerrero #1 with Manny being knocked out). Ortiz was a GREAT option coming back off a year layoff… he was a good option had Floyd been fighting all along… and he’s still a good fighter, who can very well come back and win another title. Guerrero is a multiple division champion, and he didn’t put on anything to fight Floyd, that was his 3rd bout at 147, but I understand you people like to exaggerate, otherwise you won’t be in such denial of a legend like FMJ, he isn’t garbage, never was and won’t soon be.. he can also very well come back to win a title. Nobody has ever dominated Guerrero like that, and he was probably the most deserving 147 pounder at that time. He deserved his bout, and no… he didn’t have a prayer, but he earned his spot.

Posted June 16, 2013 8:15 pm 


Hidalgo: I think it’s you who doesn’t know what what’s going on. SRED has his opinion and you have yours. I happen to agree with SRED. He lost a one sided bout JMM did that didn’t even show any signs of any hope at any changing doing anything ever. He clearly lost 12 of 12 rounds, and he just got out everythinged, and didn’t even make Floyd think outside the box. It was just a one sided, non-bout mismatch. a completely and utter mismatch. JMM’s style is perfect for not challenging FMJ, because he’s a sit back timing counterer, fighting a guy who uses his long right, timing and speed, a guy who would prefer that you simply sit there and wait for him and try to out time and quick him. JMM’s style is just no good for FMJ, that’s MY observation, and you can have YOUR opinion, but at the end of the day…. JMM said recently in an interview that he doesn’t want to be one of Floyd’s final fights, that everybody knows what happened to him those years ago, and he’s going to go through his career and FMJ will go through his own. See, you can be in whatever denial you want, but Floyd knows how easy that bout was, but most importantly, even JMM knows it and doesn’t want a rematch. So respect JMM’s wishes, and let it go. He’s not a sore loser. And he’s not dumb. He’d lost 10 out of 10 bouts with FMJ in the same week.. that’s how un competitive that first bout was, I can confidently say that I believe that.

Posted June 16, 2013 8:09 pm 


Sred-guerrero and ortiz were young.”……how bout guerrero and ortiz are garbage and forgone conclusions before they even stepped in the ring…..that would be putting it aptly and luckily I said it the whole time. Seriously trying to talk up floyd with those two is sad. Guerrero and ortiz have always been garbage. Gueerero was a little slow feather fist with a stoppage rate that makes mevomi every time I read it. Puts on. Beer belly then attemtps to “fight” may at 147. That was a fight that was a stand up comedy joke of a bout. Just say “foyd vs guerrero” your sure to get some laughs. Lol. Bout never should’ve happened. Only the utterly senseless though guerrero even had a prayer. Which he didn’t have that. Lol then u list ortiz. I can’t stop laughing I have to stop typeing now

Posted June 16, 2013 8:04 pm 


“No amount of TRAINING would EVER allow Marquez to be successful or even give a BETTER showing against Mayweather the technical, speed and gaps in ring intelligence are too massive….” You don’t know what you are talking about, SRedmond.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:59 pm 


TARK: Stop exaggerating, I’ll be back.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:59 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing): Your inferior thinking upsets my superior mind. Those Mexicans were inferior and lost, ODH wasn’t even a contest… you could at least keep your inferior mind set on the Castillo-Mayweather 1 bout, while also ignoring the one sided rematch (that was closer on the cards)

Posted June 16, 2013 7:58 pm 


“Excuses, Excuses Juan Manuel Marquez has ALWAYS come to his fights READY and in shape.” Not for his fight with Mayweather. Robert Guerrero is not even close to the caliber of fighter than Marquez is yet Marquez fared no better than him against Mayweather. This is because Juan was ill-prepared for the fight. He didn’t take Mayweather seriously enough. Also, money clouded his brain–especially after he got his $600K bonus for Floyd not making weight. Use all the Einstein rhetoric you want SRedmond, but Marquez’s performance against Mayweather revealed more about what he didn’t do before the fight than what he didn’t do in it.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:58 pm 

spartacus 65

Sorry guys, correction: good writing is what I meant to say in my last commentary.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:34 pm 

spartacus 65

Cont. This generation of “WRITERS” are almost,not all but most are mouth pieces for certain fighters and also they allow their bigotry in various forms dictate what they put out there for the fans to digest. The quality of food writing has dropped BADLY.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:31 pm 


Oscar is a lousy comparison with Canelo… Oscar had no straight right or right uppercut to speak of. Oscar had a very poor defense and couldn’t slip punches like Canelo. His left hook to the liver lacked the driving force of Canelo’s. I can’t understand anyone saying Oscar had the better jab. He had a pedestrian jab that didn’t get there. The only top, prime boxer who Oscar could jab effectively was Trinidad—who won a UD over Oscar by using the other weapons he had that were superior to Oscar’s.

Mosley, Hopkins, Mayweather, Sturm, and Whitaker all out-jabbed DLH.. Even Forbes marked up Oscar with his jab.

Trout out-jabbed Cotto—a masterful jabber who bloodied Floyd’s snoot repeatedly with his jab. Trout beat Cotto up. Canelo landed better and harder jabs than Trout—and ladled out more damage and punishment in general. Even losers like Quartey floored and bunged up Oscar. Canelo whipped the 171-pound super slick, undefeated southpaw Trout—and finished the fight without a mark on him. Trout gave Canelo super high praise for his defense and speed—so why all the negative remarks and foolish fantasy fight forecast scenarios from Floydiots? Floyd will not dominate anywhere close to the way he out-boxed and shut down Oscar … Forget it… He’s going to catch HELL.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:19 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Floyd already lost to Castillo and ODLH, but both Mexicans got robbed. So it wouldn’t surprise me if a bit if Floyd loses again to the talented, power-punching Canelo. But FMJ will get the nod in Vegas (his own backyard) no matter what — unless Canelo stops him. Real talk.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:01 pm 


Rob, I’m a big FMJ the boxer ….enthusiast, but don’t put down his opponents SO much….. that just helps the morons who will later say “nobody ever even though he had a chance” …if anything give Canelo SUPER props, jajajajaj. That’s how to do it. You have things to give him props on, and you have things will Floyd going into the fight that could be detrimental, like the weight differential against a strong talented young fighter… Floyd’s performances above 147 in the past… Floyd’s age…. etc.. I feel that at a point, you are disrespecting Floyd the fighter a bit… undermining his decision and his challenge. That’s all.

Posted June 16, 2013 6:55 pm 


Acoording to the writer, why the hell should Canelo even show up then?!

Posted June 16, 2013 6:11 pm 


SREDMOND, your not simply a fan-boy if you don’t see the difference between JMM pre and post Angel Heredia which is post the Mayweather fight. You’re delusional if that is the case. Huge difference.

Posted June 16, 2013 6:03 pm 


SREDMOND, we’re all saying Floyd is the clear cut favorite. It’s not a walk in the park though. He needs to use intelligence to win this fight which shouldn’t be a problem. Floyd fought a defensive fight against small Guerrero. He’ll do the same against Canelo. You’re descriptions of Floyd “choking the young pup out” and such are ridiculous and suggests what has been obvious a long time, that you’re a simple fan-boy with limited knowledge about the sport of boxing. you’re tiresome.

Posted June 16, 2013 6:00 pm 


ANYONE who thinks Canelo is “Lightening fast” is simply CRAZY the kid has GOOD speed and his timing cannot even touch Mayweathers…Floyd makes quick fighters look SLOW he is WAY faster than Canelo who is gonna resemble Guerrero when all is said and done… Hes JUST not up to snuff in the speed department it KILLS me EVERY time a Mayweather opponent is gearing up for the bout he claims “I am just as fast as Floyd” and then when he bout commences and FMJ starts to open up and land accurately they holster their guns and become hesitant and confused… THIS is reality Canelo will NEVER win with speed his only shot in the “Hail Mary”

Posted June 16, 2013 5:52 pm 


Bears POINT BLANK are you going on record and saying there will be NO excuses come fight night? I am going on record and saying I will have none if Canelo pulls off a miracle… YOU are the KING of EXCUSES so NOW you are committing to accepting the results and bowing your demented and furry head when Mayweather takes this kid to school….?? I am GOING to save this post so think carefully before you answer…. Guerrero was YOUNGER, Cotto was YOUNGER, Ortiz was YOUNGER both Cotto and Ortiz can hit and Mayweather handled their fire and came away with a KO and a wide UD….I say that Canelo is gonna either get horribly outclassed or he is gonna get stopped he is to SLOW of foot and his transitions between offense and defense are gonna be the DEATH of him.. He was JUST in a close fight with Trout who cannot box like Mayweather and he has TOO little World Class experience he is used to facing guys on the SLIDE ie Cintron, and Mosley who BOTH were losing 2 out of 3 Mosley one draw, Baldomir, and Matthew Hatton…. Floyd Mayweathers gonna take him where the Oxygen is THIN and then CHOKE him out… I like Canelo but this is a beating the insolent pup needs to take….. So I say AGAIN you are committing to NO excuses about “Weight” “Training” “Focus” and the rest of the BS you reguarly peddle? You will give Mayweather FULL praise for his win??

Posted June 16, 2013 5:46 pm 

? aka Angie

Well, your behavior says alot about you… that’s all.

Posted June 16, 2013 5:40 pm 


Haimat, has CLEARLY been in prison and has NOT seen Mayweather winning unanimously absent Oscar for his WHOLE career… Yeah he is the TOAST of the town after DOMINATING Guerrero or do you think he was hanging on for dear life in that bout? Even the Cotto fight where the rounds had a competitive element due to Cotto’s pedigree and skill STILL resulted in a very CLEAR unanimous decision for Mayweather… Canelo can KO the Josesito Lopez, ANCIENT Baldomir and Cintrons of the World but he could not even take out Shane Mosley who is a SHOT fighter he is NOT knocking out Mayweather thats the dream of EVERY puncher… Canelo is an EASY night for Floyd Mayweather

Posted June 16, 2013 5:39 pm 


Tark, are you REALLY trying to sell a reported sparring evidence of how good Canelos Chances are against Floyd? How SAD and fractured you have become in your QUEST to find and avenue to victory for Marquez who had competed well with Pacquiao and ALL others PRIOR to Mayweather? Why the “so called” special this or that to contend with Mayweather? Why does a fighter NEED Jesus to prevail against Floyd? Its because he is the BEST fighter in the world and as proven in the ring 3 rungs above even the GREAT Marquez… JMM himself basically said he does NOT wanna get in a boxing ring with Floyd Mayweather again he knows the outcome and saw that he was OUTCLASSED which is crazy to say because Marquez is an elite fighter… His BIGGEST win was at a full 147 he turned out the lights of Pacquiao yet he did not win a round against Floyd arguments to the contrary are laughable…

Posted June 16, 2013 5:35 pm 


This is a tough fight for both guys. Floyd hasn’t been dominating anyone for a long time and he won’t dominate Canelo. It would be a miracle if he stops Canelo. I see Floyd using the same tactics as he did in his last fight and against Baldomir. Floyd will get knocked out if he choses to trade with Canelo. I see a boring fight with Floyd etching out a close UD.
TARK, well put :)

Posted June 16, 2013 5:15 pm 


Whoa, youth, size and power. All attributes foyd “handled” before………sred who the hell did floyd fight that was even remotely close to being like canelo? The answer is no floyd has NEVER faced these attributes. There is noone to turn to on floyds res to compare to canelo. You gtfo

Posted June 16, 2013 5:05 pm 


I agree canelo is not gonna do as well as oscar and cotto and I would add mosley. He will do better than all of them. And I will be here to say I was right and you were wrong. You actually think when its done, that oscar will have faired better against may than canelo. Lol @ redmond. I think the exact opposite. I was the first on here taking canelo by upset. Finally, a very good floyd fight to look forward to. I like u all know am taking canelo to win the upset. At the very least this will be floyds hardest fight to date when its over. And closest. But I’m pickn canelo in this one. And yeah, canelos lightning fast and coupled with power……..WHOA its gonna be nice watching and listening to the punches landing on mayweather.

Posted June 16, 2013 5:02 pm 


Marquez fought most of his career fights at 126. To fight Floyd he had to jump from 135 to 147—so he had to do something extra… For the first time he hired a nutritionist. The dietary specialist told him to drink his own urine 4 times a day—but the nutritionist also mortgaged his house, took out a huge business loan, and bet those funds and his entire life savings on Floyd.

Now Lamont Peterson damaged Floyd’s ribs with a couple crunching body shots. Floyd needed to postpone the fight for months—but Marquez kept drinking his own pee throughout. His pee became more concentrated every time it passed through his kidneys… Eventually it looked like dark beer that lost its fizz—and it stank something fierce…

Marquez kept asking, “Are you sure this will work.”

His nutritionist kept reassuring him, “I KNOW it will work.

After the fight Juan said, “I thought you said drinking my own pee would work.”

His nutritionist remarked, “It worked for ME.” … Sometimes you just can’t trust people in this business.

Posted June 16, 2013 5:01 pm 


As USUAL , Bears is ON the BANDWAGON… Canelo is NOT “lightening fast” when people discuss guys with the fastest hands in the sport they are using names like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Gary Russell Jr and others… Canelo is a guy with GOOD speed and whos complete package makes him a Very Good YOUNG fighter but he is NOT gonna do as well as HOF fighters like Oscar and Cotto did, he lacks the experience and knowledge against World Class competition….I understand that there are ALOT of guys who are more driven by emotions that facts but truth is that the ONLY perceptible advantages Canelo has are YOUTH, SIZE and POWER that these are ALL attributes that Floyd has handled easily before and Canelos predictable, plodding right handed attack will be EASILY neutralized by Floyd Mayweather… I HOPE but SERIOUSLY doubt the Bears, Tarks and other Canelo Bandwagoneers will be as effusive in their praise when Floyd makes this kid look inept…. My guess is they will say “Canelo was drained” “He was Dead” “He was a Zombie” “He did not work with the right trainer”…. “Floyd ran” “He did not stand Toe to Toe”….. These are ALL predictable responses from a PREDICTABLE group of posters… Tark went so far as to say “that if the fight is more than a couple of points apart” it will be because the judges were off their game?? Which is ridiculous because the ACTUAL action could warrant a 3-5 point spread…..

Posted June 16, 2013 4:52 pm 


Angie, HOW would you know and why would you ponder such a thing?? that said do you have anything pertinent to say absent such contemplations??

Posted June 16, 2013 4:42 pm 

? aka Angie

SRED : As if your c**k were THAT big…tz, tz, tz…

Posted June 16, 2013 4:32 pm 


Jason, the ONLY “C*CK in play is the one I am about to SLAP you across the face with…. YES Marquez was utterly dominated and he knew DAMN good and well who he was getting in the ring with… This was NOT a faded Barrera or Jimrex Jaca it was FLOYD MAYWEATHER who even after 21 months which would be considered and eternity for a normal fighter he took Marquez completely to school… Marquez technical brilliance is USELESS against a Floyd Mayweather who is simply from another planet when it comes to skills…. Marquez described his defense as “Incredible” direct quote he had JMM missing and outspeeding and outquicking him like it was NOBODIES business… Marquez booked his BEST win and fought arguably his TWO BEST fights YEARS after Floyd ate him alive (Pacquiao III and Pacquiao IV)….. Do you really think a 40 year old version of him bulked up would do better? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Marquez knows he is better served facing the GREAT yet defensively porous Pacquiao Mayweather is on another level from BOTH fighters and could arguably beat them BOTH in the same night…. Marquez was YEARS younger and less ring worn when Floyd showed him the 36th Chamber of boxing… I am a HUGE Marquez fan and I believe he is all around the 2nd best technician in biz considering he has no overwhelming physical ability ie speed or crushing power…. But any notions that Marquez preparations could have allowed him to do better than win more than ONE round that Floyd took off literally have me pissing my pants with laughter…. Growup Jason we saw the bout excuses don’t sell here…

Posted June 16, 2013 3:56 pm 


Excuses, Excuses Juan Manuel Marquez has ALWAYS come to his fights READY and in shape..He surived arguably the MOST brutal first round in BOXING HISTORY against Pacquiao and rose to end up with a draw when he was down BIG points after the first round… Against Floyd Mayweather he lost 12 straight rounds against Mayweather who should have been RING RUSTED after 21 months while Marquez had been PLENTY active… No amount of TRAINING would EVER allow Marquez to be successful or even give a BETTER showing against Mayweather the technical, speed and gaps in ring intelligence are too massive…. When asked about facing Mayweather AGAIN Marquez said “its best he goes his way and I go mine, everyone saw the results of the first fight” Marquez has NEVER once been dominated by another fighter in that manner, his loss to John his widely considered a robbery over in Indonesia and his 2 booked losses to Pacquiao were so close the kept fighting till JMM layed him out in the 4th stanza….If you think a 40 year old version of him stands or EVER stood the slightest chance against Mayweather then you either did NOT see the fight or YOUR an IDIOT…. There is no 2 ways about it….

Posted June 16, 2013 3:47 pm 

Shaun Spensley

Canelos white so he will loose obviously

Posted June 16, 2013 3:35 pm 


Marquez was just tiny against floyd and floyd even came in bigger than agreed to. This will be both canelo’s and mayweathers best fight once the bell rings. Canelos lightning fast and will be hitting may harder than he’s ever been hit. Great fight. I’m taking canelo by upset. Mayweather will not be dominating canelo in any ay shape or form. Not even if he runs and pots shots. There will be no excape for may. He will be relentlessy pursued. Better than cotto did and he’s gonna take some serious shots. And its gonna be sweet watching him get blasted

Posted June 16, 2013 3:32 pm 

spartacus 65

Im almost certain Canelos focus will be 1: Not giving Mayweather an inch in terms of utilizing angles. 2: Its going to be about the BODY. Force those 36 year old legs and lungs to WORK. Mayweather? No mystery. Defense times 10. Pick his openings and force Canelo to second guess. Canelo must be focused on establishing real estate from hips to navel and ribs with Floyd Mayweather. Don’t get caught up in the hype and be determined no matter what to set the tone as Frazier did with Ali,Duran first fight with leonard and Marciano with Joe Walcott. Leave it ALL IN THE RING.

Posted June 16, 2013 2:40 pm 

spartacus 65

Jason, yes. Correct sir. Mayweather is a good fighter , still Marquez definitely was not in pristine form for that bout. And yes, lately they HAVE been on the slide. No dispute there. As for Canelo he is still a work in progress who is going,to have to up his game considerably for this bout. His stamina will HAVE to be exceptional come Sept. The kid is a good fighter who is about to get very good experience win or lose when he squares off with Mayweather. Looking forward to a good competitive fight. Peace and strength.

Posted June 16, 2013 2:16 pm 

Tomato Can

Some fans see everything at face value. With them behind the scenes effects can only be looked upon as an excuse, and really never have any baring on what takes place in the ring come fight night. To me, that is very closed minded stance to have. But hey, they say it takes all kinds to make the world go around…

Posted June 16, 2013 2:09 pm 


hm – well yes, most of mayweathers fights have been versus champions in the last 4/5 years, were they not ?? and he does make them look poor in caparison… you cant deny that… that why you have to put your hands up and say he is brilliant.. even against oscar, if you really watch the fight, oscar hardly ever lands, it just looked good for the crowd… dont get me wrong, i dont like him as a fighter because he does wait until there on the slide… but they are still world class boxer

Posted June 16, 2013 1:36 pm 


redmond – your a c*ck … if you think that was a marquez in tip top condition then you are simply a delusional fan boy… i give credit to may where its due, he is brilliant… but i also recognise that many of his names on his cv were not at the prime conditions… something you cant do…

Posted June 16, 2013 1:27 pm 

spartacus 65

T, very good point my friend on the tendencies issue. You are correct when you say that a fighters tendencies should be analyzed. This is the reason Ken Norton was so successful against Muhammad Ali. Eddie Futch had studied Alis “tendencies” for some time and found out no matter what he did Ali ALWAYS reverted back to them. The same holds true here as well. Will Young Canelos braintrust exploit floyds tendencies? Sept 14th we will have the answer.

Posted June 16, 2013 1:23 pm 

Tomato Can

I’m not sure why this writer is writing Canelo off so quickly. From what I’ve seen of Canelo, he’s a pretty good fighter. I’m not sure he’ll succeed once he moves up to 160 and beyond, but at 22/23 he has lots of potential. I think he’ll give Mayweather a good fight, Maybe better than many here think. He definitely deserves to be in the ring with Mayweather.

Posted June 16, 2013 12:59 pm 

Tomato Can

Canelo should be confident for this fight. Other than having to make 152, he has all the advantages. Okay well maybe he doesn’t have speed and most importantly the advantage in skill. But really, this has the making of a good fight. Canelo will win rounds, he might get a knock down. He could keep this fight close enough to make some fans say he wins even if he doesn’t get the decision.

Posted June 16, 2013 12:51 pm 


Lol this funny. Every opponent that faced Money said they had a formula and they have studied him. They need to follow Floyds train of thought on fighting, which is you dont game plan around a ffighters style because they can completely switch what they dowhen they face you. You can study tendancies only. Canelo can not have the answer to beating Floyd because he hasnt been beat.

Posted June 16, 2013 12:20 pm 


I meant to say, “Nacho was used to training Juan as a lightweight, not as a welterweight. Neither was Juan.” Additionally, Juan got frustrated and lost his head. He tried so hard to hit Floyd that he forgot about everything else. Beristein should have had Marquez sparring non-stop against very slick, quick boxers. He didn’t. That’s just one fug-up.

Posted June 16, 2013 11:53 am 


“Marquez trained FINE for Mayweather he drank his usual cup of urine and worked out with Nacho… His training had him already #2 P4P fighter in the World at that time and he was a proverbial thorn in the then #1 fighter in the Worlds side” Just stop SRedmond. Anytime anyone says anything to take the slightest bit of glitter from your boy Floyd and there you are waving your Floyd flag and shouting. It was clear by Juan’s physical appearance that he did not train properly for his fight with Mayweather. It was clear by his performance in the ring that he did not effectively study Mayweather. I don’t know WTF Beristan (Beristein?) told him or trained him to do, but Juan chased Floyd around the ring like some rank amateur. Juan’s trainging that had him at #2 P4P fighter in the world was not as a welterweight–a weight he had never fought at before. In fact, Marquez popped up two weight divisions to fight Floyd. Nacho was used to training for that–not with Juan Manuel Marquez. Neither was Juan. So cut the crap SRedmond. There were a lot more factors than just Floyd’s skill that caused Marquez to lose that fight. Some of them had to do with Juan being his own worst enemy.

Posted June 16, 2013 11:50 am 


@Real Expert “my ass” Yea that’s all Canelo has is a punchers chance..he’ll barely be able to graze Mayweather especially under Floyd Mayweather Sr..hopes and dreams

Posted June 16, 2013 11:49 am 


@spartacus 65 You hatin cos your little ped man got KTFO laid out cold for 15 minutes by Marquez back in December was it defeat number 6 for the midget??

Posted June 16, 2013 11:42 am 


Marquez trained FINE for Mayweather he drank his usual cup of urine and worked out with Nacho… His training had him already #2 P4P fighter in the World at that time and he was a proverbial thorn in the then #1 fighter in the Worlds side (Pacquiao) Marquez could have Manny Steward (Rip) Angelo Dundee, Cus D’amato, Freddy Roach, Virgil Hunter, Angel Heredia and Nacho in his corner and the ONLY thing only upside it would yield is possibly finishing the fight or winning one more round than the NONE he won against FMJ… Marquez is an HOFer but he’s NOT on Floyds level… Excuse Makers simply make themselves look that much more foolish to suggest there was ANY avenue to success for JMM absent an AK47…..

Posted June 16, 2013 11:41 am 


Mayweather will school this chump this bum gonna be just like the other 44 failures Mayweather is in a different galaxy to anyone.

Posted June 16, 2013 11:39 am 


Tommy Boy, Marquez had no strategy. His fight against Mayweather was the stupidest fight he ever had. He did not train properly for it and he committed one of the worst sins in boxing–he chased his opponent around the ring–an opponent he couldn’t hit. Floyd totally dominated and embarrassed him because Marquez and his narcissistic trainer Nacho Beristein did not do their homework. Juan just put on the weight and let his ego do the rest. But his ego failed. Had he prepared for that fight as well as he did for his fourth fight against Pacquaio we would have seen a much better performance by Juan. But he jus drank too much urine.

Posted June 16, 2013 11:24 am 

Tommy Boy

Mosley, Guererro, Marquez, Cotto, Hatton, Ortiz, Juddah and most of the others had the strategy. Too bad none of them could execute it. Canello to wet behind the ears still. Should have listened to Sulaiman and waited a year. In all fairness I thought Oscar won or it was a draw and Pac would have beat him 2-3 years ago.

Posted June 16, 2013 11:15 am 


Pete R … You are partly right. Alvarez is under-rated in many ways — particularly in terms of his boxing skills and IQ. But he is still very heavy for his height and age. He is still has a history of getting gassed in his fights and fighting for only a small portion of rounds. These are problems.

Posted June 16, 2013 10:53 am 

Pete R

It is amazing that most people give Canelo little chance. I understand that because of Mayweather’s “0”, he has beaten some top fighters. There is also lots of natural talent and technique. However (here it comes), Canelo speed is underrated, Trout found that out. He has adoptable techniques, this has been shown when some fighters got to him early until he changed up. Then there is boxing IQ. Some say that although he has over 40 fights they where nobodies. Maybe that is so, but in realty the young man has more than 50 fights, all as a pro, no amateur background, pro at 14. He has developed intelligence, willingly or not, in battle. This young man is not a throw in to a lion and will reveal some truths about the sport.

Posted June 16, 2013 10:30 am 


“the way he makes champions (even if they are not at their prime) look crap in comparison”. lol. Champions ??

Posted June 16, 2013 10:06 am 


I agree somewhat with the author. But to be fair, Alvarez did beat Trout. It was close. But Alvarez did land the harder punches. Alvarez did knock down Trout. It is not like Trout dished out a big beating on Alvarez and was cheated out of the victory. It was a classic case of activity vs. effectiveness and Alvarez won a very close fight — the judges had bad scores that were too one-sided toward Alvarez. But Alvarez still won a close fight.

Where I do agree with the author, is that Mayweather is faster than Trout. Mayweather has better defense than Trout. Mayweather has better foot speed than Trout. Mayweather throws sharper faster harder punches than Trout.

So, how exactly is Alvarez going to win? Seems like a very tough fight for Alvarez. I am not rooting for either fighter, I am rooting for a great fight and my hope is that Alvarez comes in light (150-151) below the catch-weight and comes in faster with better conditioning. This gives him a chance to catch Mayweather who really does float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

If this happens, then the boxing world really should be hoping for a draw. Because the dollars and fan interest on a rematch would be huge, huge, huge, huge, huge. It was would be one of the biggest sporting events in history.

This should be what all of you guys want.

Posted June 16, 2013 9:52 am 


mayweather will school him… i have no doubt…
Canelo has one prime name on his record – trout… and in my opinion he lost that fight and i watched it three times…
But what was cetain in that fight, trout out worked him, and out jabbed him significantly…
Mayweather is wayyyy too good for canelo..

But the question is, who else is there to fight him?
I cant stand the guy personally, but the way he makes champions (even if they are not at their prime) look crap in comparison… is crazy, i mean they are not close fights, he schools them.. great fighters, he absolutely dominates and makes them look like second rate fighters…

He may well be the GOAT…

Posted June 16, 2013 9:00 am 


Goranx. U need glasses. Or a brain. Either would help

Posted June 16, 2013 8:12 am 


Lol. News flash. So did the other 44 opponents. It’s not really a secret at this point. The question is cam alvarez do it?. I highly doubt it. Certainly not by standing for 10-15 second periods doing nothing. He did this several times against trout, more so later after learning the judges had filled out the scorecards on the way to the fight. He’s going to have to be busier this fight and I don’t see it happening. The possibility of Floyd injuring his hands could make a difference, but that’s about it

Posted June 16, 2013 7:40 am 


I’m assuming so few good writers contribute now that the site admin is having to post troll articles under pseudonyms like “Jeff Sorby” and “Michael Colins” to generate traffic.
Becaues anyone who isn’t trolling, and is over about 12 years old, couldn’t possibly repeatedly post such childish, cretinous nonsense.

This is not a good strategy ESB: long term people get bored and stop using the site.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:37 am 


Floyd was the 1993 GG light flyweight champion so I don’t know why he acts so bewildered about Manny’s growth in size. Anyway it’s good to see that he’s not cherry picking this time. Guerrero was rated on Ring’s p4p list but Vitali wasn’t there? I lean a bit toward Canelo for winning this upcoming bout if it really does happen.

Posted June 16, 2013 7:22 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Very intriguing contest between youth & experience this one which has to be a 50% call. I’d say Alverez is the #1 @ 154Lb in the World right now, but weight hopper PBF is always dangerous. As so called WBA super light-middleweight titlist Mayweather should have done the noble thing & agreed to take the fight @ 154Lb & not play mind games by insisting on 152! For the good of the sport I’m personally hoping for a Canelo win. At 22 years of age he could have a great future, I’d just like to see him fight more then twice a year & outside of the America’s once in a while. A fight in Europe should be on the cards for the winner to gain more credibility & exposure to the man in the street. Sergy Rabchenko & Brian Rose are on a roll right now, so there’s plenty of options to fight overseas + the ca$h would be good.

Posted June 16, 2013 4:45 am 


Canelo should just use the strategy of shutting the feck up and taking his biggest pay day,Oscars ginger cash cow will be duley exposed for the good but far from mayweather class fighter he is.Then back to 40 more Mathew Hatton and Ryan Rhodes level to look good against then bow out as a fake Mexican great.

Posted June 16, 2013 4:39 am 

Fight Aficionado

Canelo has the secret strategy but won’t divulge it? I’ll give it for him: steady pressure, smash his body til he pisses blood, mix offense/defense and keep the punches varied. In other words, do what Castillo did to already beat Floyd. Canelo is faster than Castillo, though I’m not sure he can implement that for 12 rounds.

Posted June 16, 2013 4:20 am 


The way to beat Floyd is to develop your skills to beyond where his are… And be bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, and a better puncher… Or any combination of those things that will allow you to beat Floyd.

Posted June 16, 2013 2:06 am 


Good luck with your “strategy” Canelo. The strategy you should have had was make no concessions regarding your weight for the fight. If you look good and strong for the first five rounds against Floyd, then I’ll start looking to see if your “stragegy” has any chance of being successful. Personally, I think that two pounds you sacrificed is going to take its toll on you.

Posted June 16, 2013 2:05 am 


Everybody knows how to be Flotd until the 3rd or 4th round and then that goes out the window

Posted June 16, 2013 1:53 am 


Badger pleaseeeeeee….Cortez retired bro….so now when Floyd wins look for another excuse….shizzzzzzzt

Posted June 16, 2013 1:40 am 


Hagler had a strategy of fighting orthodox stance vs Leonard.. He lost the first 4 rounds before he wised up.. The fight was gone by that point.. Floyd’s not going to do anything that dumb..

Floyd can be beaten.. The 1st guy to beat Sugar Ray Robinson was Jake LaMotta… A short, stubby guy with tons of losses.. No power… no skill… no speed… no finesse… no jab… no defense… He was just stronger and tougher than Ray and kept coming and throwing … That was his plan.

Canelo has real skills.. Trout found out.. With his size, strength, and 13.5 year age advantage, along with his accumulated skills and laser like focus, Canelo has a decent shot at scoring an upset.

Much bigger upsets have happened to Joe Louis, Ray Robinson, Jose Napoles, Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Roy Jones, and many others … This kid Canelo is coming on strong. Upsets keep happening if people are ready for them, or not.

Posted June 16, 2013 1:23 am 

Real Expert

I read all postings, and all rely on their bias, and not much knowledge. The facts here are that Canelo is much younger than Mayweather, and he is a true Mexican warrior. He is durable, and smart in the ring, although not as experienced, as Mayweather, but he is scared to get hit, or deliver punishment. If Mayweather is grazed by a good Jab, he may get hurt, and if he cannot run, he will be knocked out.

Posted June 16, 2013 1:07 am 

Real Expert

I read all postings, and all rely on hopes for a result, based on their bias. The facts here are that Canelo much younger than Mayweather, and he is a true Mexican Fighter. Not, what people try to portrait, he is durable, and smart in the ring, and not

Posted June 16, 2013 1:06 am 


The only blue print is to do what Castillo did in the 1st fight…Easier said then done!!! Canelo ain’t ready for this fight but who knows he probably wasn’t ever gonna b ready?!

Posted June 16, 2013 1:05 am 


Every fighter is beatable Mayweather has been beaten before but that Mexican fighter was robbed it will happen again. In the 90’s I thought Mike Tyson was unbeatable and when he lost I was in shock

Posted June 16, 2013 1:03 am 


Mayweather fights SOUTHPAW THE ENTIRE FIGHT !!! Candelo takes his Million dollar L & goes home !

Posted June 16, 2013 12:55 am 


There is no stradegy to beat Floyd. Floyd makes too many adgustments in the ring. Everyone says the same thing and by the 5th round when he figures them out their so called stradegy is thrown out the f’n window. You really cant look at a prior fight and say this is what Im gonna do because somebody else did it…

Posted June 16, 2013 12:39 am 

I see Good

Floyd is good NO doubt. But you LOOK FANTASTIC when you FIGHT over the hill past their PRIME fighters. Cherry picker means hand pick fights. Hmmmm PACMAN to dangerous pac in his prime Cherry picker avoided him like the PLAUGE

Posted June 16, 2013 12:28 am 


Of course he knows the strategy!! They all do and when he loses the only thing to discuss will be what excuses are employed to explain away the LOSS…. No one can just Winnie lose without a narrative these days it’s pathetic… Canelos “Game Plan” will be some version of a plan that did not work before… He has NOTHING more than a punchers chance..

Posted June 16, 2013 12:12 am 


True, Canelo showed overall skill against trout but, Trout is nowhere near the level of Mayweather. That’s the difference. May’s skills will nullify what overall skills canelo has. I’ll give canelo 2-3 rounds, that’s it. Easy win for Mayweather.

Posted June 16, 2013 12:02 am 

hated enemy

canelo doesnt have much of a chance,and that is it , maybe canelo can stun him,if he gets him in the corner,mayweather is damn good

Posted June 15, 2013 10:37 pm 


will Floyd bring his own ref that “fair, firm” hypocrite? cortez.

Posted June 15, 2013 10:31 pm 


Plans often work as well. Just have the better plan. What might Canelo’s “secret” strategy be??? Well…he’s been watching Floyd’s fights, taking notes of his weaknesses.

Cotto told him Floyd can be popped with jabs. Cotto sets up his jab beautifully and Canelo can study that… Mosley told him Floyd can be nailed with big rights… Judah told him Floyd is a slow starter—and an early lead is possible… Carlos Hernandez and Guerrero told him Floyd has weak hands—and employs a man who has no other responsibility but to wrap Floyd’s problem hands to perfection for every fight and every workout… A review of Floyd’s record reveals he has 2 KO’s in his last 9 fights.. The KO’s came against Ortiz, a renowned quitter—and Hatton, a man who was stopped in 3 of his last 5 fights. Hatton was almost knocked out by feather hitting Collazo. Floyd is a light hitter at 152.

So what’s the secret sauce??? Obviously to apply pressure. Cut off the ring. Attack behind your jab. Throw the right when the jab lands solidly. Flummox Floyd with feints and defensive finesse at intervals. Change it up as you did with Trout because Floyd makes the best adjustments. Fight physically and emotionally relaxed but with great mental intensity. Trigger fast right leads, but follow with left uppercuts, right uppercuts, and more shots when you land well. On the knockdown Trout staggered for couple seconds before he collapsed. Not a follow punch was thrown as he did the dipsy-doodle. That’s not good. You also caught Trout with great right uppercuts, but didn’t follow with shattering left hooks followed by crushing liver shots. You were admiring your work way too much. Do that after the fight.

Press the action early and throw hard. Reassess after 3 rounds. Don’t stick your jab up Floyd’s nose and be satisfied as Cotto was. Stay with the jab for the whole fight. Use more sustained assaults than you did with Trout. Floyd is shorter, smaller … not as strong. Don’t worry about running your gas tank down. You won’t. You’ll recover fine between rounds. Go full blast to finish rounds strong.

Posted June 15, 2013 10:23 pm 

Proud African

They all have a plan until they enter the ring with the virtuoso, Floyd Mayweather. Canelo will lose.

Posted June 15, 2013 10:15 pm 


hahahaha, funny how everybody seem to know how to beat Floyd…LOL.

Posted June 15, 2013 9:30 pm 


Canelo needs to play what Mayweather do. DEFENCE! Block all Mayweather punches. Let Mayweather be the aggressor. Mayweather’s game is 90% defence.

Posted June 15, 2013 9:04 pm 


N everyone knows Canelo’s strategy will be to go to the body and use his right uppercut, left hook combinations im sure Team Mayweather is prepared good luck Canelo

Posted June 15, 2013 8:57 pm 


I just dont see Canelo beating Mayweather or anybody for that matter

Posted June 15, 2013 8:40 pm 


Public E.. “Cinnabum is going to get KO’d or Boxed into submission by Floyd just as easily as Floyd boxed Gurerreros Ears off.. ”

Everybody but Hecdog knew Guerrero was a very easy opponent for Floyd.. Everyone but Hecdog knew Guerrero was overrated and Floyd was going to shut him out with no problem.

This fight is a totally different scenario… Canelo has great all-around boxing skills which he displayed against Trout… That fight was nothing like Guerrero the brawler vs Berto the Broner imitator — with Guerrero taking a ton of ripping shots from an inept fish … Canelo is much bigger and stronger than RG and has 10 X the boxing skills.

Posted June 15, 2013 8:40 pm 


Largo… “Jose Castillo, Dela Hoya, Corrales, Hernandez, Juan Marquez…or maybe you think Canelo would beat those guys for sure.”

I see Canelo out-boxing every one of those guys… I see the latest version of Lucas Matthysse beating the paste out of them… I see Adrien Broner overwhelming them.

If Floyd gets past Alvarez—an extremely tough opponent for him … He’s still in deep soup.

Posted June 15, 2013 8:27 pm 

Public Enemy

Cinnabum is going to get KO’d or Boxed into submission by Floyd just as easily as Floyd boxed Gurerreros Ears off.. The only thing Canelo has on his size is his ability to Cheat and put on 20+lbs overnight using God only knows.. anyone drinking the Canelo Coolaid like Tumbo is in for a rough night and major hangover come sunday morning the day after Floyd exposes this pampered do nothing. If Cottos C level smalle sized Brother can put this hype Job on Noodle legs Floyd is going to knock him out.. the fkn guy Gasses after 3 rounds???

Posted June 15, 2013 8:12 pm 


I sold him the wrong BLUEPRINT on EBAY for 20 grand but don’t tell him. What a funny article

Posted June 15, 2013 8:05 pm 


This pundit says…, “Canelo doesn’t have the stamina to throw more than a tiny handful of punches without turning red in the face and needing to stop punching.” LMAO.

Canelo threw a lot more punches against Lopez and Mosley because they were easier to hit.. Trout is bigger, slicker, stronger, faster, and smarter than those little guys. Alvarez made Trout lead. He beat Austin at his own game—show-casing his defensive repertoire. He pot-shotted Trout. He needed to tune up those dimensions to his game ahead of a Floyd fight.

This pundit says…, “Canelo can’t fight Mayweather on the move because he’s too heavy-footed to fight while moving.”

Canelo is so fast on his feet—once he whipped entirely around Trout so fast that Austin was facing the wrong direction. The referee saved Trout. But why would Saul fight Floyd on the move??? Would Sonny Liston dance around Floyd Patterson??? Makes no sense.

This pundit says…, “Canelo can’t beat Mayweather by jabbing him because Mayweather is able to pick off jabs or move his head to avoid them.”

WTF???.. Cotto popped Floyd full in the face with numerous jabs. What was that red stuff flowing out of Floyd’s nose holes??? Canelo’s jab will definitely come into play. It will connect flush and with gusto… Along with his straight right, left hook, right uppercut, left hook to the liver, and the sizzling combinations he displayed against Josesito Lopez.

Posted June 15, 2013 8:05 pm 


I definetly am taking canelo to win this. Been saying it since day one. You all know I have canelo winning the upset. “Can” canelo win? Of course he can. Will he? We will see. Definetly floyds toughest test of his career. If you don’t know that now, you will after the fight

Posted June 15, 2013 7:45 pm 


Floyd is the master at mental warfare & the only guys I see standing up to him don’t fight at his weight class-Hopkins, Ward, Mares, Pirog…Canelo don’t have a chance against Floyd, as far as mental games is concerned & that will be clearly evident once the pre-fight hype starts…of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

Posted June 15, 2013 7:34 pm 


iF anybody think that Floyd is gonna worry about all this strategy babbling then you don’t know Floyd.

Posted June 15, 2013 7:19 pm 


“but i can think of which one of his 44 opponents can kick Canelo’s as$…” aren’t we getting carried away a tiny bit? how about Jose Castillo, Dela Hoya, Corrales, Hernandez, Juan Marquez…or maybe you think Canelo would beat those guys for sure.LOL.

Posted June 15, 2013 7:07 pm 


Your restarted bro. How the heck did he loose to trout. I bet you didn’t even watch the fight heard it from others. He did win, but the score cards weren’t accurate. So watch the fight and stop hating. Even trout admitted he lost idiot.

Posted June 15, 2013 6:17 pm 


canelo will listen to Oscar and try to bully Floyd and get hiself caught and beat the hell up like Oscar did canelo cant box he just power punch small guys hell he should have 42 ko he out weigh them by 20to 30 pounds Floyd will out box him all night with that bully b.s.

Posted June 15, 2013 6:08 pm 


canelo is only looking good because he is fighting small guys he had trouble with trout but I will say he is ok not great he is still young but if he fought his weight class we wouldn’t b talking bout canelo he have to fight small guys to be notice bully and dlh have been hand picking guys for him lil guy at that 170 walk around and fighting guys 147 to 154 please and yall act like he is so great

Posted June 15, 2013 6:03 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Canelo’s Strategy: Hit Floyd with the same type of shots that Cotto landed on FMJ, knowing fully well that his superior power will put FMJ on the canvas. Repeat process until FMJ is either knocked out or the the fight is stopped.

Posted June 15, 2013 5:50 pm 

The Mad Scientist

No doubt Floyd is the best but I can think of wich one of his 44 opponents can kick Canelo’s ass..Kid Cinnamon is gonna be his toughest test to date,,watch!

Posted June 15, 2013 5:49 pm 


This writer sucks sucks sucks

Posted June 15, 2013 5:46 pm 

don owens

Mayweather is going to taste the mat this time. it will be sweet to see. Canelo has a good chin. youth will be served this time around. underestimate Canelo at your peril. bet the farm on Money, please do.

Posted June 15, 2013 5:46 pm 


You guys and this dumb ass clueless writer are forgetting one thing this is the first elite fighter in his prime that Floyd has fought in about what 10 12 years seriously think about it, Canelo only throws a hand full of punches than gets tired? Really caus I see him throwing about 5 or 6 at a time, and if Canelo fought trout “dumb” than what does that say about cotto?, you dumb ass writer!, your such a Canelo hater you wrote these articles just to bash Canelo it’s more than obvious, so dear writer make a FB or something caus your articles suck!, it’s one thing to be a writer critic and another thing to be a hater!

Posted June 15, 2013 5:44 pm 


Maybe he say “look, 100 bucks!” and punch him when May looks down.

Posted June 15, 2013 5:44 pm 

john wheatman

yet another hand picked figh boring whats the point blah blah etc n so on zzzzz. He needs t be carefull he shares the same birthday as me.hes getting old mayweather especialy for a fighter at the top class he’s gonna end up carrying on to long n getting beat or having to retire without a LEGGACY top that with the fact hes ducked paquio so hes got that hanging over his head paquios still young and hungry mayweathers old everythings against him now…. Serves him right when u c guys like hagler, larry holmes, whod fight u in ur back yard for no money lol….

Posted June 15, 2013 5:39 pm 


Canelo claims he has a secret strategy to beat Floyd? So did 44 other fighters! and some of them were damn good… I can’t wait to see this over rated Mexican get k.o.d

Posted June 15, 2013 5:33 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Hit him harder and more often than he hits you…

Posted June 15, 2013 5:29 pm 

Gus Johnson


Posted June 15, 2013 5:28 pm 


Floyd is not an offensive fighter, he is more on defense and will wait for you to get tired or prostrated. The best way for Canelo is to be calm and patient with Floyd. Let Floyd come to you and do the first move, save energy and make it a boring fight where people will boo at you and Floyd and when the time is right boom Canelo go all out with power shots.

Posted June 15, 2013 5:19 pm 


Floyd has much more experience… Canelo in a few years or with the same experience, who knows…

Posted June 15, 2013 5:14 pm 

Prof Konje

He has no strategy at all. It’s talk hoping to psych Mayweather. Mind games, that all it is. Smart fighters don’t say anything or give anything away.

Posted June 15, 2013 4:57 pm 


strategy could be… stand in one corner ask to Floyd “ok, you are the man, you want to give your fans a great show, cmon i will not run, start your attack””.

Posted June 15, 2013 4:53 pm 


What’s Canelo going to do? Step on Floyd’s toe, tell him his shoe is untied, or throw sand in his eyes? Strategy to beat Mayweather. Ha!

Posted June 15, 2013 4:43 pm 


September14 thr world wull see the new king rise and the paper champ of floyed put to sleep early

Posted June 15, 2013 4:41 pm 

Joel Craig

The fight in San Antonio was fixed. Canelo lost to Trout end of story. Mayweather will destroy Canelo. This is a fight Canelo does not deserve and wont even come close to winning. I cant believe I will be rooting for Mayweather.

Posted June 15, 2013 4:33 pm 


He can win by paying off the judges. Everyone will follow his example.

Posted June 15, 2013 4:31 pm 


There is no way Canelo will beat Mayweather…he is going to be disgraced. You guys I don’t know if you have the mind and eyes to analyse boxers…I think Mayweather’s opponents are talking against him because they want to see his downfall…Mayweather is simply class brother, end of story. Stop this jealousy, you are out of tune.

Posted June 15, 2013 4:31 pm 

te tumbo

Mr. SMITH, you are a boxing-ignorant IMBECILE. Canelo is just as big if not bigger than Marvin Hagler, John Mugabi, Juan Roldan, Glen Johnson, Fernando Vargas, William Joppy, James Toney, Tony Zale, and Rocky Graziano, and that’s just off the top of my head. there’s plenty more examples of prominent and legendary middles that Canelo equals if not surpasses in size. like me, you need to rely on your head when you decide to write about boxing and not your ass.

Posted June 15, 2013 4:22 pm 

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