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Bears I had to chuckle at your statement:”Lyle dropped foreman multiple times making him faceplant. If lyle can do that I would say haye could hypothetically stop foreman.”……….did you forget that Haye took a battering from 40 year old Thompson & got dropped by Mormeck and Barrett………….If they could do that to Haye, hypothetically Foreman to render Haye comatose!

Posted May 3, 2013 10:17 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Meanwhile, as the losers keep arguing over a fight Vitali lost ten years ago(three years after he quit in the ring), Lennox is living the high life and enjoying his accomplishments. Nice…

Posted April 20, 2013 12:50 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Vitali Klitschko clearly outboxed Lewis and FORCED him into retirement at just 37-years-old. Bottom line. Enough said. Period.

We all know that Lewis definitely would’ve stuck around for at least another 5 years and beat journeyman & tomato cans for mega millions — if he would’ve had that option.

Posted April 19, 2013 10:29 pm 


Bears,” statistically no one did to Lewis what Vitali did”. Thats great, but in reality no one did to Vitali what Lewis did and that is bust his face up real good and hit him like no one has hit him before (due to the fact that Vitali never faced real quality opposition before and thereafter) and tkoed him!

Posted April 19, 2013 9:53 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

LMAO! It’s great to hear from the fighters…

Posted April 19, 2013 9:48 pm 


friendly east side reminder-canelo is about to smoke a trout

Posted April 19, 2013 7:20 pm 


remember when derik chisora was like “im going to make love to him”………”im going to make love to him in the ring”. LOL~!!! classic!!

Posted April 19, 2013 7:01 pm 

Wladimir Klitschko

I see Ross Purrity has posted before me, what’s news old friend? I loved the sensation of being so close to you when you carried me around the ring on national TV after knocking me out, it’s why I refused to fight you again and my bro had to fight you instead, good times!

Posted April 19, 2013 6:48 pm 

Wladimir Klitschko

I like it when Dereck Chisora spits in my face, his spittle is tasty, I like to lick it from my lips and let my brother fight him for me

Posted April 19, 2013 6:45 pm 

Francesco Plantain

Hi, I’m Francesco Plantain, you might remember me from such… No , wait – who the f”ck am I?

Posted April 19, 2013 6:38 pm 

David Haye

I get starched by former middleweights,Wlad Klitschko couldn’t know me out in twelve rounds even though I had a split toenail

Posted April 19, 2013 6:34 pm 

Timo Hoffman

I sell snitzel und Der oberstrasse, mine comerades like to remind me of the time Klitschko went life and death with me when I was a journeyman

Posted April 19, 2013 6:32 pm 

Lennox Lewis

Some people say I have a glass chin. I say, Vitali Klitschko has this high KO% and I let him tee off on my face for 6 rounds, he couldn’t shift me. They say Hasim Rahman ktfyouout. I say, guess so.

Posted April 19, 2013 6:28 pm 


you cant really pinpoint anywhere in lennoxs career where he looked like he began to slip. he looked fine against rahman. theres no indication that lennox was slipping. vitaly just dominated him in the boxgame. statistically nobody did to lennox what vitaly did. clear supperior style

Posted April 19, 2013 6:25 pm 

Corey Sanders

I love golf. Fore!

Posted April 19, 2013 6:25 pm 

Ross Purrity

I work at Walmart on the night shift at the CCTV, the guys call me boss and like to reminisce about the time I CARRIED Wladimir around the ring after I knocked him the f”ck out

Posted April 19, 2013 6:24 pm 

Vitali Klitschko

I watched a Hasim Rahman knock out a fat under prepared and past prime Lewis and thought I could achieve the same years later – I was badly wrong and got messed up by his dreadlocks. Later I went on to defeat Albert Sonsinwhatski so is all good

Posted April 19, 2013 6:21 pm 


shannon briggs didnt get credited when he the ropes held lennox up. the sky announcer says it though. that the ropes held lennox up in lennox vs briggs. youtube the video. round 1 son.

Posted April 19, 2013 6:20 pm 


wlad klitschKO at 21 years old. a kid. dominated purritty pretty much the whole fight at one point landing an 8 hit combo. you clearly didnt see the fight your just talkin smack.

Posted April 19, 2013 6:20 pm 

Shannon Briggs

I was a fringe contender at best in the 90s when in my prime and Lewis knocked the sh’t out of me, I hung around after my chronic bronchitis set in and was able to extend Vitali the distance after a couple if puffs on my inhaler when I was middle aged and shot

Posted April 19, 2013 6:18 pm 


herbie hide got knocked out NASTY STIFF. arms all out WITH A JAB. only guy i ever seen knocked out by a jab, and so brutally, and in a championship fight. quite the accolade for vitaly.

Posted April 19, 2013 6:18 pm 


yeah but look at tape of wlad after learning under the guidance and tutelage of emanuel steward. wlad didnt have a stance a jab. his footwork and movement was jacked up and weird looking and he had no deffense. he was all blitzkrieg. its not even comparable. to different wlads. its clear now. wlad had not peaked. sam peter hit wlad with rabit punches. EVERYONE in the telecast and emanuel steward alluded to it. we all saw it. shots to the back of the head buddy. anyone would drop thats why rabit punches are illegal son. wlad has finished every fight on his feet. wlad has never been strait knocked out like lennox.

Posted April 19, 2013 6:17 pm 

Odlanier Solis

So was I until my knee have way and was stopped by injury

Posted April 19, 2013 6:16 pm 

Herbie Hide

I was beating the crud out of Vitali and ahead on the cards before I took a dive, I won the event

Posted April 19, 2013 6:14 pm 


Ali has an underlying medical condition, another crass and “brain dead” comparison. 1. I never saw Ali crawling around the ring after being clipped by a journeyman like I saw Wlad do, or getting bounced up and down by a flatfoot like ‘Stationary’Sam ‘Plodder’ Peter. Purrity literally carried him around the ring 2. Wlad can carry on because the era is so poor. Ali had a prime hungry Holmes to contend with along with the onset of Parkinson’s disease. Wlad has guys who uppercut themselves in the face. Today’s prospects are so bad they are testing themselves with obese middle aged former middleweights.

Posted April 19, 2013 6:04 pm 


sylvester stallone as rocky is a hall of famer too!!! LOL

Posted April 19, 2013 5:50 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

That’s Z-E-R-O for those who are following along…

Posted April 19, 2013 5:48 pm 


Ali got punched so often he’s brain dead… At a youthful 37 Wladimir is still going strong. At a youthful 36 Ali couldn’t even keep 197-pound amateur, Leon Stinks, off of him. At least Stinks was better than Alfredo Evangelista. Stinks flattened Evangelista in no time—while Ali went 15 peaceful rounds with the pathetic excuse for a boxer.

Johnny Carson said…, “Folks, this breaking news, just off the wire…Muhammad Ali and Alfredo Evangelista have just been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize—for promoting non-violence in Boxing.” That was Carson’s hit joke of the night. When the audience finally stopped laughing Carson shook his head, stamped his feet, and started laughing again—and the audience LTFAO again. Non-violence in Boxing was a new concept — brought to us by Muhammad Ali.

At 37 Wladimir Klitschko is still improving his technical skills. He’ll probably be champion for another 2 or 3 years. Vitali Klitschko is retired at 41—so Wladimir is considered the best heavyweight alive.

At 38 Ali was out-punched about 1,000 to 2 by a 30-year-old Larry Holmes. During the buildup Ali promised to destroy Holmes… Another joke.

Posted April 19, 2013 3:22 pm 


Lyle dropped foreman multiple times making him faceplant. If lyle can do that I would say haye could hypothetically stop foreman.

Posted April 19, 2013 12:22 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Some mental giant wrote: “People talk about midget Marciano and his unbeaten record Klitshko has 109 fights and no LEGITIMATE loss”. WOW, very delusional.

Posted April 19, 2013 11:54 am 

I need to wipe my Tark better, it itches and smells funky

I like Haye, he brings some action to the sport, except when he fought the Champ Klitschko. His toesy hurt, something you would have never heard from any of the greats…

Posted April 19, 2013 11:42 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

People talk about midget Marciano and his unbeaten record Klitshko has 109 fights and no LEGITIMATE loss

Posted April 19, 2013 11:40 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

Klitschko invent knew way of winning 12 round derstructions!!! Klitschko takes an unbeaten fighter modern better than slow 70s guys like Clay or fat frazier and dominate them for 12 round to give fans great value for entertainment

Posted April 19, 2013 11:38 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

Haye Ko4 Frazier, KO 12 Clay, UD 12 Foreman. Klitschko DESTROY12 G A Y E

Posted April 19, 2013 11:36 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

TARK – Haye would have dominated the 1970s so called greats I agree and Klitschko destroyed him and toyed with him so what does that tell this losers about how superior Klitschko is

Posted April 19, 2013 11:34 am 


Gee Whiz Blue Horizon… Forget Frazier. Joe was 5’9″ X 205, very fat at that weight, and exposed by a green-assed Foreman who was 3 times as strong. All you needed to beat the wide open, defenseless, amateurish Foreman was a good jab, good strong mobile legs, decent heavyweight size, (6’3″X210) and superior boxing skills. Frazier had none of these attributes. David Haye has all of them in spades.

Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the greatest boxers ever, said Dereck Chisora has “a great jab” called him “a good boxer” and called Haye, “unbelievable.” Chisora weighs a tight 247 without being as fat as Foreman, and beat towering Robert Helenius by a consensus 10 rounds to 2. Haye took Chisora to school, won every minute of every round, and barely got hit with a single punch before flattening Chiroa with precision combinations to head and body that Ali never dreamed of throwing — because Ali didn’t even have a body attack. That’s how incomplete and inept Ali was. Ali got ripped with left hooks like a novice boxer because he pulled straight back from punches.

Haye is no walk-in punching bag one trick pony like Joe Frazier. Forget it. Frazier had nothing for a big powerful hard puncher because he was wide open. So was Ali. Ali even got hit by fat globules blobs like Chuck Wepner—who’s not even a tenth as good as Helenius. Ali was one of the worst defender ever and he’s paying for it today.

Posted April 19, 2013 11:27 am 


Ali was floored BAD by cooper. Who weighed 180 pounds. Team ali was so desperate they resorted to cheating. Them guys were all smal they were all slower. You watch foreman vs lyle even howard cosell at one point says “this fight is devoid of any skill” there standing flat footed just letting there hands go and dropping eachother multiple times. The fights on youtube. Foreman weighed like 220. You have to remember these guys were not getting by 250 pound bombs. They never experienced a klitschko bomb. But todays fighters have faced fighters every bit as faster and faster and more powerful than the 60s and 70s fighters. I think its obvious how boxing has progressed. Foreman said the klitschkos are better than he was. Maybe tooslick earnie and prince know better than foreman himself. Jim rome on rome is burning recently had wlad on the show where he rome said wlad would ko ali. So we see people by and large are not delusional like earnie, prince, and 2slick. Not even the guy directly involved in the situation foreman thinks he is better than the klitschkos. Its ok the earnies, princes, and 2slicks are dieing out. It becomes very difficult for nonsense to thrive

Posted April 19, 2013 11:15 am 

K-2- Fan

Every time there is a Klitchko fight forthcoming , there appears the usual ,
pathetic , little group of ” fans ” , who while claiming complete indifference to the ” boring ” and ” worthless ” K-Brothers , spend half their lifetime on this
side , proving just how they don’t care about them . By now , we got to know
them pretty well , although their numbers have shrunk significantly , these
same ” fans ” ; Ernie , Peej , Prince , etc., surface every time the headline says ; Klitchko . They NEVER have anything smart to say , anything new ,
or even anything different , it’s ALWAYS the same . What is curious though ,
that while they ALL claim , that the Klitchkos are lousy boxers , boring to watch and a whole bunch of guys from the ” golden era ” , would murder them ,
They spend all this time trying to convince us ! In view of this ; these
people must either be liars or fools . My guess is ; the’re BOTH !

Posted April 19, 2013 10:55 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

True and mormeck himself would have beaten wepner badly. hypocrites always have an excuse for their ‘mahogany idol’

Posted April 19, 2013 10:24 am 

Unbiased Dane

Unbiased Klitschko Fan : well I dont think it looked like Ali went life and death with wepner, but he couldnt put him away and he got hit. the exscuse is that Ali just played with him, giving the audience something extra before stopping him.
Imagin the reaction from the likes of prince and peej if Wlad needed 12 rounds to stop Mormeck.

Posted April 19, 2013 9:56 am 

Unbiased Dane

Race and nationalism plays a big role in this silly campaign against the Klitschko´s.
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing) is spot on.
It would be fun one day to line up all the hilarious arguments from the haters. It would be a very long list :-)

Posted April 19, 2013 9:44 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

Klitschko KTFO Ali in 4 rounds

Posted April 19, 2013 8:18 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

Ali went life and death with Wepner and lost to micheal spink

Posted April 19, 2013 8:17 am 

Unbiased Klitschko Fan

Eddie Chambers is the modern Ali he is much better its evolotion

Posted April 19, 2013 8:09 am 


thats right harry, boxing evolves (looks like some humans on this side dont though) but I dont see any big evolution in the Klitschkos other than they are big and tall. Skillwise, Ali was better, so was Tyson, Holy, Lewis, Bowe etc.

A few post below some guys were mentioning that myself and others just glorify the past which is just nonsense. Just look at the skills the best Heavies of the past and then compare them to the best Heavies of nowadays. Today the guys are just bigger but not better!

Posted April 19, 2013 7:23 am 


boxing evolves in every department, average boxer of today is better than average boxer of yesterday. modern top boxers has better skills than past top boxers.

Posted April 19, 2013 6:28 am 


Fury would come up short, big but very limited – a clear example of this evolution idea being nonsense. Also, convenient for Klitschko fans that this ‘Evolution’ apparently reached it’s nadir with and was only ever relevant to thier idols.

Posted April 19, 2013 5:51 am 

Danske bank

knowall – Well at least Wladimir Klitschko will beat the s#it out of your man Tyson Fury when Fury dares to go up and fight. Man I will love evrey second of seeing Fury taking beating after beating in round after round until he is so upbeaten he will fall without even an final hit on him / Or he will go dow by a heavy right hand inside 6 rounds! Tyson Fury have no chanse to defeat them and is doomed to lose to both Klitschko brothers :-)

Posted April 19, 2013 5:46 am 


Mike Silvers book, ‘The Arc of Boxing’ is a good point of reference. There are less fighters licensed today than in the past (globally), they are fighting less. These are not factors for promoting evolution, quite the opposite.

Posted April 19, 2013 5:36 am 

Blue Horizon

2slick, you speak the true. Harry grow up man, the KO resume means nothing if against weak opposition. I guess wilder might be the next GOAT, if he keep fighting bums, he will get a resume of 60 bouts with 60 KOS LMAO.

Posted April 19, 2013 5:31 am 


Perhaps in sports like track and field, where small changes in training and nutrition can shave a few miliseconds off of a time. But that will plateau eventually. It does not represent actual pyhsical evolution. Harry Wills, with modern training, would look bigger in a ring than David Haye. And boxing isn’t simply about athleticism, it is a craft. Besides guys who don’t fight, don’t train and have bad nutrition (ala the supposedly superior to Frazier Chisora) are the opposite of that.

Posted April 19, 2013 5:30 am 



Posted April 19, 2013 5:24 am 


Physical evolution isn’t an overnight process – there have always been tall HW’s. There were legitmate ‘superheavyweights’ in every era. Just happens that the Klits are better than most.

Posted April 19, 2013 5:19 am 


yes Lena Lewis has skills but KlichKOs have more skills, particularly Wladimir. And forget about bowe, he is a pathetic coward with now real boxing skills, the dude got outboxed by golota!!!

Posted April 19, 2013 5:16 am 


Blue – There are less guys now, fighting less often and the best avoid each other (not a problem limited to today, granted). The Klitschkos themselves had extensive amateur careers and have fought hundreds of rounds – that is big part of what sets them apart. Hopefully changes to the amatuer game will help bring back some of the craft but these lazy heavyweight CONTENDERS who don’t fight regularly and in the case of Chisora, barely even bother to train correctly, cannot be seriously compared to a locked HOF and ATG like Frazier. It’s not worth ‘debating’ with these people. I suspect the majority of them are on a wind up anyway ;-)

Posted April 19, 2013 5:15 am 


frazier is a featherfisted bum with pathetic real heavyweight resume of 11-4 (4 ko’s!!!). he’s not better than chisoro bum.


Posted April 19, 2013 5:12 am 

Blue Horizon

So far Lewis and the Klit and maybe Bowe are the only big mens who possess skills ever, and the ones who could compete in any eras. But for those who said that bigger is better, it’s stupid comment e.g. : Helenius hardly beat 2 small old bums heavyweight in Sherman Williams and Sprott, and was behind on points agaisnt the shot Peter before the ko good deal !
Fury is big and tall, but lack of power with a suspect chin, and he’s not the next great thing in Heavyweight. Price already collapsed against an old veteran and
we’ll see what happen in the rematch. Dimitrenko, Wack, Ustinov are big punching bag with 0 skills and no heart, awfull to watch. Wilder only figt bums etc…

Posted April 19, 2013 5:07 am 


Haye vs Forman as well now?! Now I like Haye, he is genuinely world class – but Foreman at his best would obliterate Haye. These guys fought hundreds of rounds – Haye goes to the gym once every two years and does half an hours treadmill. You guys are crazy.

Posted April 19, 2013 5:03 am 


Blue Horizon – Comparisons between Frazier and Chisora are facile and show these people up entirely for what they are. Chisora is a crude club-fighter, he is wild, he is open, he lacks power, he has no amatuer pedigree, his fundementals are poor. And Frazier was a big puncher, this seems to have been forgotten with time. He had Ali down and Ali has one of the best HW chins in history. Frazier is NOT comparable to Chisora, he had a solid amatuer grounding, fought hundreds of rounds, won the Olympic Gold medal, beat HOF fighters and Ali for crhisakes. Chisora is a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of an old newspaper clipping of Frazier, on a broken photocopier operated by a blind man. It’s laughable that people make that comparison – they can only be trolling as nobody could seriously be that retarded.

Posted April 19, 2013 5:00 am 


Lennox Lewis is just about the worst possible HW in history for Wlad. It is widely accepted that Vitali is the tougher, more resilient of the brothers and he failed to produce the goods againts the worst version of Lewis (with the possible eception of Rahman I, where Rahman managed the feat that proved too far for a prime Vitali). Wlad would try and clinch and he would get knocked out. I’m sorry but there is no way that Wlad would eat the uppercut that Vitali took from Lewis. Wlad would be outmuscled by Lewis, Lewis could also be very dirty at times. Wlad would fight cautious and Lewis would be all over him. Same goes for Foreman. Foreman of the Frazier fight would, again, bully Wlad on the inevitable Wlad instigated clinches and Wlad will get knocked out.
Granted Wlad is nothing like Frazier but take away Wlads physical advantages on the clinch, like these, two of the strongest HW’s ever would, whilst fighting back with huge uppercuts and dirty tactics on the inside and Wlad is in BIG trouble. I’m not going to point to Wlads losses as that is not the way to go about comparing greats (and I’m not disputing Wlad is ‘a’ great) but for me the Sam Peter fight is very important here. For me one of Wlads best performances, he was in against a known banger, a dangerous quantity, he was hit, he was hurt, he was down, he showed resilience and spirit and won the fight. A good performance from a prime, hungry and on his guard Wlad. A fight I would point to to corroborate his status as a great. BUT it was against Sam Peter, possibly the worst (if we exclude WBO) HW champ I have seen in my time. Peter is wilder than Foreman (I won’t even compare him on that score with Lewis, who was not wild except in his inception), he is easier to hit, slower, more ponderous, hits hard but not AS hard as either Lewis or Foreman. How anyone can watch that fight and then Watch Foreman and Lewis as their destructive bests and claim Wlad KTFORD1 any version of either, strikes me as blind fanboyish lunacy only as I cannot see it. Lewis and Foreman have too much dog for Wlad.

Posted April 19, 2013 4:53 am 

Blue Horizon

Chisora can’t break an egg, even little Frazier hits harder, and if he was still alive he could learn to Chisora how to boobing and weawing properly because Chisora has the same style but only 10% the skills Frazier had. Chisora is an easy target, he stop shots with his head, Foreman would decapited him faster than Haye.

Posted April 19, 2013 4:40 am 


blue, Davey Haye has every advantage over George Forman. Speed, power, defense, offense, legs, brain, boxing skills, it all plays in favor of Haye. Foreman has always been a defenseless slugger, no defense, no footwork, he ate everything that was flying at him. HAYE KNOCKS STUPID SLUGGERS LIKE CHISORO OR FORMAN OUT EASILY. THAT’S HIS COUNTERPUNCHER STYLE.

Posted April 19, 2013 4:33 am 


blue, you are an idiot. a lot of bullsht you wrote. I laughed about golota actually. the guy is punchbag. he would be destroyed by half of Wladimirs opponents. The Cobb claim is just laughable, cobb was a bum. Prime current Wlad destroys any version of Lewis. Both are great fighters but Wlad has more speed, more power, more experience, much better defense, better left hook, better one two combination, much lighter on his legs, more agile and fast overall. Wlad lands the missile first and Lewis falls flat like he already did against McCall and Rahman.

Posted April 19, 2013 4:19 am 

Blue Horizon

Tark, about Chuvalo by unstoppable I meant never been Koed.
And once again to dismish Foreman, as usual you refer the depressed version against Jimmy young rather than the killing machine against Frazier, that one who have beat Haye, who been floored by the midget Mormeck.
Wlad fought scared and too cautious against Haye whereas Foreman would engage by landing visious hooks and Uppercuts on Haye. Even Golota of 1996 would test Wlad, he was beautiful to watch : good jab, nice right, beautiful combinations, defense, he’s better than any opponents that wald fougt besides Haye maybe.
And the studip comment froml the idiot who said Wach would rule the 70 era,
Wach is nothing more than the new randall tex Cobb but slow as hell with less skills.
Any version of Lewis destroy wlad, lewis is more versatile and could restructure
a fight when he’s behind on points, wlad is a true professionnal and athletic but
never been tested since his defeat against Sanders.

Posted April 19, 2013 4:03 am 


ernie you r a cccksucking ho, Nazi troll. KlichKO are better and more successful in every department than ANY previous champ.

Posted April 19, 2013 2:13 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

With a bs post like that, there could be truth to the rumor that Bears=Tark. Hmm, food for thought…

Posted April 19, 2013 1:56 am 


vitaly did retire lennox lewis and in fact the crowd boo’ed lennox at his last fight. lennox tried to secure a fight with anyone not named klitschko. made vitaly fight 2 additional fights and get cleared by indepenent dr’s to fight. lennox was then forced by the wbc to fight vitaly and told that if he fought anyone else he would be stripped. he only then retired. vitaly retired a standing champ (lennox lewis) by way of an official loss on the record. OUTSTANDING ACCOLADE

Posted April 19, 2013 1:50 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Try to keep up…

Posted April 19, 2013 1:47 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

I was laying it out for harry twat, another one of his weak statements that Lennox quit the game.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:47 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Yup, I slapped my nuts on your chin. Hope you like it as much as your woman does.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:45 am 


its me earnie-what did that last post have to do with boxing? woman? money? what? europeans pay millions to watch wladimir klitschKO utterly dominate guys like jean mormek. LOL

Posted April 19, 2013 1:43 am 


“the klitschkos wont be mentioned in years” yeah right dude. vitaly is the heavyweight all time statistical master and in case you didnt notice sports networks like espn and skysports in the uk are pretty of the stats. vitaly will probably hold on to them too so i imagine he will be talked about for a very very long time. furthermore, the big fighters are going to look at tape and study the klitschKOs and try to learn from their styles and probably imatate it going into the future. so i think your way wrong slap nuts.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:41 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Actually asshat, Lennox retired with millions and millions of pounds in the bank after a long amateur and professional career. Fame and fortune, health and a beautiful wife, not bad, especially since you have had your ass kicked many times for free, and still work at the carwash…

Posted April 19, 2013 1:39 am 


peej you are a bullsht nostalgist. dont quit you say, that’s exactly what Lewis did, he quit boxing.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:32 am 


so now what ernie btch you are writing under MY name?!! what a cheap ho you are.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:29 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

And the nineteen year old Catskill Thunder could have beaten probably every champ in history.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:26 am 


im not denying clays great. he is. but he would loose a fight to both klitschKOs and lennox lewis the modern great super heavies. i would favor them against anyone in history. their the best. the top 3. ali got dropped and almost beaten by 180 cooper. the video is on youtube. moreover, ali’s corner resorted to cheating to win the situation got so desperate.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:17 am 


Ok I’m done arguing with you. Your stuck in what you say.. Your gonna constantly degrade fighters just to try and make a point for the Klitchkos. Vitali has quit before so that automatically takes out dog a great heavy. Great heavies aren’t quitters. Let me know whe the Klitchkos are fighting people in there prime like true great fighters do

Posted April 19, 2013 1:15 am 


I’m not on any issues nuts. U just don’t think they are the greatest heavies. They are great there is no denying that. And losing a fight in the amateurs who cares. You realize everybody around the world wanted to watch Ali, that can’t be said the same about the Klits.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:13 am 


how could lewis have even won any rounds? he was outland every round. giving a guy rounds for a couple good shots is weak. and one of those rounds lewis was givin the judges were in disagreement with. vitaly was smoking lewis in the boxgame and 66% of the fight he did it with one eye. thats the GOAT son

Posted April 19, 2013 1:12 am 


prime holyfield!!! was a featherfist any version of holyfield was a featherfist and somone who couldnt hold onto a title. someone who got smoked by micheal morrer of all people and bowe the only guy he could beat was holyfield. golata was smoking bowe and outboxing him. all kinds of people beat on holyfield. when was holy’s chin ever really tested? bowe dropped his A55. you can be certain a klitschKO would. in fact vitaly the k bro who doesnt hit as hard smoke herbie hide in 2 rounds knocking him out and stiff with a JAB SON!! it took bowe how many rounds to stop hide??? little hide???? now if that was holy it would be quicker work. plus the klitschKOs raised the compubox bar for heavyweights through the roof. lewis couldnt keep up with vitaly. vitaly clean sheeted lennox lewis. he OUTLANDED HIM EVERY ROUND. VITALY dominated range, ring generalship, compubox, agression. EVERY PHASE OF THE GAME. lennox could only land after the foul cut. your clearly biased against the klitschkos. your garbage son you dont know about heavyweight boxing to even talk

Posted April 19, 2013 1:10 am 


Just like you think his record is subjective I can say the same about the Klitchkos opponents. Yes Kewis won by a cut that Vitalis cut made made worse. But as for who was winning, I had it a draw when they stopped it. Vitali winning the first 3 and Lewis winning the next 3

Posted April 19, 2013 1:10 am 


60s and 70s and even 80s fought domestic competition. when ali did face an eastern euro in the amateurs he got FLOORED AND GOT HIS SOX BOXED OFF. or maybe you didnt know that. any simple ali infor page would tell you that. because of the iron curtain, those fighters fought the best “domestic” fighters. not the best in the world. once the curtain fell, the horde came. and eastern euro’s started smoking’em. klitschKOs SMASHED on the scene and prompted emanuel steward to say “they are the future of boxing”. now get off the nuts ho (peej)

Posted April 19, 2013 1:06 am 


lewis facing better comp is subjective. thats not a fact. lewis was outboxed at his peak multiple times. vitaly boxed his shorts off. you can exult his cut win if you want. nobody around sports does.

Posted April 19, 2013 1:01 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

What about heart? Ali and Frazier were in wars with each other and some of their opponents, yet wouldn’t quit no matter how bad it was. Those type of performances are one of the qualities that have made them legendary. As good of people as the Klits are, fans won’t even mention them in forty years. Most all will have even forgotten the bout when Vitali quit, but never forget Ali fighting on with a broken jaw, and Frazier fighting on near death. It’s just the history of the sport, nothing to do with skin color. I am a big Kessler, Froch and Golovkin fan, but don’t care for Ward, Broner or Mayflower, so does that make it a color thing? Idiots who use skin color as their reasoning behind who someone is are really pitiful.

Posted April 19, 2013 12:56 am 


If the Klitchkos fought the type of comp that a lot of the older heavies fought then the would get hit a lot also. Look what Lewis did to Vitali. So your theory is out the window. And I bet a prime Holyfield would of handled Wlad and split fights with Vitali

Posted April 19, 2013 12:56 am 


Rose-tinted glasses everywhere… The 60s… HEavyweights started hugging each other with open mouth after round 4, maybe 5. Stamina problems all over the place. The final 10 of 15 rounds were borefests. Go and watch the videos, you’ll see. Nowadays, because of doping, training, and nutrition programs, the best heavies can go for 12 rounds. It’ s like saying “Jesse Owens would outrun Usain Bolt”. It’s hilarious – both were/are the best of their time, but times have changed. Take off the rose-tinted glasses, guys!

Posted April 19, 2013 12:38 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

I would hope not, he is in his mid seventies…

Posted April 19, 2013 12:33 am 


wepener would NOT be going rounds with anyone today.

Posted April 19, 2013 12:31 am 


guys like 250 pound sam peter could bang with little ron lyle all day. the super heavies would fair quite well in the 60s and 70s. its those little guys that would have a hard time. especially a featherfist. wepener wouldnt be going rounds with anyone today. most of the top contenders would have him out early.

Posted April 19, 2013 12:10 am 


top 10 of what peej??? of your patriotic preferences list??? and the claim “he didn’t have it anymore” sounds like a weak excuse for any boxing fan. if you don’t want to get your ass kicked just say “I don’t have it anymore” and run away. Lewis ran away from the very first dangerous opponent he ever faced. And no, Lewis resume is worse than Wladimirs resume.

Posted April 18, 2013 11:55 pm 


Noway the Klitchkos are top 10 heavies. Top 20 sure, top 10 nope. There resume does not beat Lewis sorry. So Lewis stopped Vitali when he want even training for Vitali, took him on with 2 weeks notice and stopped him and you say he is scarred. That’s just dumb. Yeah so what he retired. He didn’t have it anymore. If you are not 100% into boxing then it’s time to retire. Lennox hasn’t even came back which means he is done. Vitali has retired and come back. Which ment he wasn’t ready to leave. But a lot of the fighters they’ve beat would not be able to compete in the era of Ali

Posted April 18, 2013 11:44 pm 


you are an old stupid btch ernie. Nazism means hatred on national level. Just like you, you hate white Slavic heavyweight champions from ex-ussr and it makes you a nazist. troll ho

Posted April 18, 2013 11:16 pm 



Posted April 18, 2013 11:10 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Nazist? What are you, twelve?

Posted April 18, 2013 11:07 pm 


peej, top 10 of WHAT, AND WHY??? Wladimir easily is the best superheavyweight ever, his resume confirms it, Vitaliy clearly is better than Lewis cause Lenny crapped his pants and retired like a coward. Lewis is third on my ‘Best superheavyweights’ list (that a big deal itself). I am sure that prime for prime Wladimir knocks Lewis out. Wlads much better a boxer than Vitaliy.

Posted April 18, 2013 10:50 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Tark never really was like the other boys…

Posted April 18, 2013 10:50 pm 


Hey Ernie Enema Schnozzle…. Too bad they kicked you out of the neighborhood. You smell so bad, and are so damned ugly I don’t blame them.

The reason Young flooring Foreman is significant — if a light hitter like Young can knock Foreman down, a great puncher like Haye would knock George stiff — as fast as David did that other slow poke, Dereck Chisora — who outweighed Haye by 37 pounds. Actually I think Chisora is a little faster than George, because he beat the gigantic Robert Helenius with ease, and slipped many of Helenius’s ponderous jabs. Haye nailed Dereck flush in the face with every jab he threw.

Posted April 18, 2013 10:40 pm 


There is no denying that Wlad and Vitali are great heavies. But top 10 na they are not, well not in my option. Everybody will have there own opinion, I don’t think they could of beat Lewis. Vitali already lost to Lewis. Yada yada about a rematch, Lewis beat Vitali when he wasn’t training for Johnson so that says something right there. I don’t think Wlad would of been able to handle Lewis either but that is just my opinion. As for trying to compare or do mythical match ups with older fighters, that is really impossible to do.

Posted April 18, 2013 10:39 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Willy, the nuthuggers have to build the opponents up to much more than they are to make themselves feel better, similar to when they give each other reach-arounds…

Posted April 18, 2013 10:25 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Tard, Young knocked George on his ass, SO WHAT? It’s gotta be tough for you sometimes…

Posted April 18, 2013 10:21 pm 


foremans on record saying he thinks the klitschKOs are better than he was. lennox got ktfo by a crackhead and rahman. wlads gassed. been tko’ed by a guy he was stomping in lamon brewster and picked up where he left off in the rematch. i wouldnt call lewis vs mcall 2 a fight and i wouldnt say lewis avenged his loss. mcall was mentally unstable and broke down in the ring in fight 2 and the fight was waved off. LOL. garbage.

Posted April 18, 2013 9:58 pm 


LMFAO!!! Unstoppable Chuvalo???? I guess Chuvalo’s fights against Foreman and Frazier—both of whom were very green—and stopped Chuvalo early in the 3rd and 4th rounds, don’t count??? … Chuvalo was stoppable by any great puncher, because he stopped a lot of punches with his face.

“Foreman who would have destroyed Haye in two” GTFOOH. Foreman couldn’t even hit feather punching Jimmy Young with a good punch. George couldn’t handle a quick jab. Weak little Jimmy knocked George on his ass. Young was 20-5 with losses to terrible fighters. Haye had only one early loss when he had 10 fights—to a crafty veteran with around 35 fights. Haye has a better combination of boxing and punching skills than anyone from the 1960’s or 1970’s. Only Holmes boxed better from that era. Haye slips and ducks punches much better than Ali did and punches one HELL of a lot harder than Ali did. Haye’s arms and torso make Ali look like a girl.

6’4” X 225 southpaw Corrie Sanders beat Wladimir—SO WHAT? How many southpaw punchers of Sanders’ size were around in the 1960’s and 70’s? NONE!!! Wladimir could punch very hard and box a little in those days—but he couldn’t clinch, defend well, or move well, and he didn’t have a stance. Wladimir couldn’t slip punches well circa 1996-2004. Ten years with Steward made Wladimir a master boxer. The Wladimir of the last 7 years has been a progressively greater heavyweight. WK is not a natural fighter like Vitali—so he had to learn everything from a master trainer like Steward.

Posted April 18, 2013 9:57 pm 


Morons still talking about Wlad’s loss to Sanders, that was very long time ago and tyson lost to douglas, lewis was ktfo twice, foreman lost to jimmy young and so on, Wlad is ant ATG top 10, weak or no weak era, he’s a very good heavyweight boxer .

Posted April 18, 2013 9:47 pm 


wladimir has also fought REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS ali got dropped by 180 pound cooper!!!!!! not even a heavyweight!!!!!! strait FLOORED!!!!…. you got some good posts harry dont concern yourselfs with those who hate. their shallow and pendantic.

Posted April 18, 2013 9:36 pm 


I see all this talk about Pulev being a real challenge for Wald, the dude lost three times to Camarelle in the amateurs…

Posted April 18, 2013 9:25 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

lol, I doubt it prince, he seems pretty hopless…

Posted April 18, 2013 8:46 pm 


Hey Ernie, do you think that Harry realizes that he is making a fool out of himself here?

Posted April 18, 2013 8:25 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry harry taint, I never said Ali was the greatest of all time either. btw troll, you’re just a tad off on Ali’s record, LMAO idiot…

Posted April 18, 2013 8:16 pm 


JAB IS BOXING you fool. AND CLAY WAS THE MOST FAMOUS GRABBER EVER. KlichKO has the best skills is NOT EVEN CLOSE TO OVERSTATEMENT. He has the best resume of a heavyweight boxer ever, he had achieved more than anybody before him. WLADIMIRS RECORD CONFIRMS THAT HE IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL HEAVYWEIGHT EVER. btw clown Clay has only 28 wins, 8 ko’s ans FIVE loses, WLAD has 59 wins (50 ko’s!!!) and only 3 loses.
ernie btch

Posted April 18, 2013 8:11 pm 


Harry learn to write and read properly. I said that the Klitschkos have mediocre skills. And to say that the Klitschkos have the best skills in heavyweight history is just a slight overstatement I would say. I would not call jabbing and grabbing a great skill, cause thats what they do repeatedly (especially Wlad)!

Posted April 18, 2013 7:59 pm 


ernie TROLL you wrote that Clay is a superior to KlichKOs boxer and the greatest heavyweight of all time. This is total bullsht. WLADIMIR KLICHKO IS 59-3, 50 KO’S…CASSY CLAY IS 28-4, 8 KO’S !!! EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT CLAY WAS A TOTAL TOAST!!! HE WAS A LIGHT HITTING PUNCHBAG CLOWN. KLICHKOS IN FACT ARE THE GREATEST BOXERS OF ALL TIME. THEIR SUCCESS CONFIRMS IT. ernie ho

Posted April 18, 2013 7:58 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry harry pussie, I never said that either…

Posted April 18, 2013 7:50 pm 


you wrote “KlichKOs have mediocre skills”?! are u moron?!! KLICHKO SKILLS ARE THE BEST IN HEAVYWEIGHT HISTORY, THEIR RESUMES CONFIRM IT. ESPECIALLY WLADIMIR’S. Idiot! look at what Wlad did to the opponents of the same height or taller, he outboxed them no problems! ernie btch

Posted April 18, 2013 7:49 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

prince has the beat…

Posted April 18, 2013 7:44 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

harry troller, when did I mention Ali? I haven’t. You keep looking for attention, pitiful. Sucks to be you…

Posted April 18, 2013 7:43 pm 


clay lost FIVE times to bums ernie TROLL!!! FIVE DEFEATS!!! clay fought num after bum and couldn’t even knock them out!!! CASSI CLOWN CLAY’S REAL HEAVYWEIGHT RESUME IS 28-4 (8 KO’S)!!! HE’S A FKN TOAST!!! GO TO heavyweightboxingblog and read the facts ho.

Posted April 18, 2013 7:43 pm 


unbiased dane, what has my nationality to do with who I like as a fighter? And I am neither American nor British! So, clearly a sign of running out of arguments as you have to bring up sht like this!

The key word here is quality and skill! You look at Ali, Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe , they have very good skills and dont just rely on their size! The Klitschkos only rule because they are taller than all the others. Skillwise they are mediocre at best. And we have seen, when a skilled fighter faces them, they are in trouble. Vitali got beat by Lewis and Wlad was beaten by a fighters who are not in the same league as the above-mentioned. So if Sanders can annihilate Wlad, what would Tyson have done?
And btw, Bowe is not better than Holyfield. Bowe won the 3rd fight cause Holy had a health problem going into that fight.

Posted April 18, 2013 7:42 pm 


KTFO ARTIST WLADIMIR KLICHKO IS THE STRONGEST/BEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME. Clay was a light hitting punchbag, Tyson lost to every strong boxer he ever faced. think about this, clay was a light heavyweight amateur boxer, he was a weak skinny clown, then he got fat. and ernie btch says that boring clay was better a boxer than KlichKOs! ernie you r a delusional nazi ho.

Posted April 18, 2013 7:36 pm 



Posted April 18, 2013 7:27 pm 


ernie TROLL. Clay was a featherfisted punchbag with no skills and power. he lost to bums. what about KlichKOs, they have superior skills plus they are huge, very fast particularly Wlad, and very strong (Wlad). Mariusz Wach alone would have ruled in 60’s cause clay is toast, frazier is bum, foreman is punchbag.

Posted April 18, 2013 7:15 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Op Amp: when Ali fought Fraizer Ali got hit over and over again by Fraizers left hook, but some how Ali would have been too fast and smart for the Klitschko´s or Lennox. :-)

Posted April 18, 2013 7:12 pm 

Unbiased Dane

prince i guess you are a britt or american who cant stand the domination of two boxers not from your country. Its really sad. You say the Klitschko´s fought bum but then you talk about Tyson, who got beaten by Buster Doughlas. And who never beat eny of the top fighters he fought. And you really thinks that Holyfield would survive trading punches with Wlad ? Just after he got beaten by Lennox he lost to Ruiz, Holy wasnt better than Bowe, a fighter who was losing to the mentally unstable Galota untill he started punching him in the balls.

Posted April 18, 2013 7:06 pm 


Ok, that is great! Who else (apart from Tark) thinks that Holmes would have beaten a prime Ali?

Next thing you want to tell me is that a Danny Williams would have beaten a prime Tyson!

The Ali of 67 would have played with Holmes and ridiculed him my friend!

Posted April 18, 2013 7:03 pm 

Op Amp

a prime Lennox Lewis would have been the klitstchkos only real comp. Both VK and WK would have beaten most HW of the past the majority of the time.

Posted April 18, 2013 7:02 pm 

Op Amp

i have watched countless tapes of the “golden” era, and I just dont see this magical superiority the old timers talk about. They were great boxers, but so are the boxers of today. With the HUGE size difference though, i would give the edge to the klitschkos.

Posted April 18, 2013 6:58 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Blue Horizon : at 1967 Foreman, Ron Lyle etc. wasnt around.
And please dont call people names just because they dont share the same points of view as you do.

Posted April 18, 2013 6:53 pm 


Tark, I have always thought Ali was not the greatest HW of all times because that title belongs to Joe Louis. But you make some pretty dumb comments. How old are you? Ten? You must be related to the K-Bros. I actually like them because they are what true professionals should be…killers in the ring and gentlemen outside of it. But you make some really stupid comments. Better educate yourself or you might grow up to be an ignorant teenager.

Posted April 18, 2013 5:57 pm 

Blue Horizon

No dear Tard, there were Foreman who would have destroy Haye in two. There were Jimmy young who was better than Chambers. There were guys like Joe Bugner and Ron Lyle who could box and were better than these big slow plodders like Ustinov, or the weak minded dimitrenko.
Besides, I don’t see you point about Evangelista who was tough as nail and only stopped 4 times (1 time against a HOF) in 61 fights, the same for the durable Jimmy Young, or the unstoppable Chuvalo.

Posted April 18, 2013 5:53 pm 


prince says, “What do you think the Ali of 1967 would have done to the same Holmes?” … Not a thing. Holmes was just too damned good for Ali. There were no big, tall, masterful boxing heavyweights in the 1960’s. Ali was the only big, tall heavyweight who could box at all. There were no Klitschko brothers, no Tyson Fury’s, No Kubrat Pulev’s, and no David Haye’s, or even Eddie Chambers.. There were a couple of decent boxing heavyweights in the 70’s and they whipped Ali’s behind.

You know the only reason Holmes didn’t fight Ali years earlier than he did??? Because Ali was more interested in fighting Leon Stinks.

Posted April 18, 2013 5:26 pm 

Cheese cake in Montreal

@Tark -“The only big heavyweight Ali ever faced who was a great boxer — who boxed anywhere near as well as the Klitschko’s, was Larry Holmes. Ali landed 2 punches and took about 1,000.” TARD

Posted April 18, 2013 4:23 pm 


Then that’s what you’re judging Ali on Cheese Cake… I’m judging Ali on his losses to Norton, Spinks, Frazier, the unnecessary punishment he took from Cooper, Chuvalo, Mildenberger, Lyle, Frazier, Bonavena, and many others, and his failure to stop, floor or hurt guys like Rudi Lubbers, Alfredo Evangelista, Mac Foster, Leon Spinks, and light heavyweight Doug Jones.

Posted April 18, 2013 4:14 pm 


What a rubbish match up

Posted April 18, 2013 4:09 pm 

Cheese cake in Montreal

@TARK -Only a total retard would judge Ali over the Holmes fight.

Posted April 18, 2013 4:03 pm 


This is pathetic. I saw my first Wlad fight in 2000. I was 10 yrs old. He has been my favorite fighter for the longest time. These arguments are ridiculous. Wlad has many great accomplishments and has been dominant. His title reign has been incredible. That being said ALI is the greatest HWT of all time. You can’t blame him for the fact that American HWTs were better back then and that Parts of the world didnt fight pro.

Head2Head in perfect prime wlad would be a tough fight for all great HWTs. His mastering of distance and controlling the pace of a fight are his best attributes on top of power. Wlad is one of 3 great super hwts. That being said would wlad be able to keep Tyson away from him early on. I dont know. Would Ali slip the jab all night and win on PTS I dont know. One thing is for sure Wlad has the ablitiy to fight with the greats and the greats have the skill to beat wlad. Styles make fights

Posted April 18, 2013 3:50 pm 


@tark again, What do you think the Ali of 1967 would have done to the same Holmes he fought when he already had the Parkinson’s Syndrome and was way out of his prime?

Posted April 18, 2013 3:43 pm 

It’s Me, Bert

You will never get through to the nutthuggers who don’t recognize the skills and heart of the best group in heavyweight history. All they know is a couple of average skilled large brothers in top shape beating a long list of bums, losing to a few of them too. Never been in with a hall of famer nor have had a career defining performance.

Posted April 18, 2013 3:28 pm 


Tark, a prime Tyson of 21 yrs old would have killed Wlad! Wlad panicks when put under pressure and Tyson was putting pressure on everybody in his prime, bobbing and weaving while coming forward and not giving him time to breathe.

Holy in his prime would have floored Wlad like he floored Bowe in their third fight, a fight he only lost cause he was sick!

Dont know if Bowe would have beaten either Klit but he would have given them more trouble than the guys they are fighting now!

Lewis had the momentum when they stopped the fight with Vitali and Klitschko was getting pummeled with left hooks and those eyecaching uppercuts. The judges had the fight 4 :2 for Klitschko but most people had it even after the 6th round.

Also, many Klitschko fans where surprised that Klitschko got hit so often. The explanation for that is simple. It was the first time he ever faced a quality opponent who had the size, reach, strength and skill

On one point I agree with you: Rigondeaux is probably the best amateur boxer ever, along with Mario Kindelan who was great as well.

Posted April 18, 2013 3:01 pm 


I think Americans are doing pretty well… I particularly like the super tough Bryant Jennings… He would have clobbered the daylights out of the weak chinned Norton and itty bitty Leon Stinks.

Rigondeaux was the greatest amateur boxing in boxing history. I’ve been saying that for 10 years. 400 wins is nothing to sneeze at. Rigo has twice as many professional wins as Leon Stinks had when Stinks faced Ali.

Posted April 18, 2013 2:34 pm 

Tark the anti Ali ESB fraud

Ali was past it just after the thrilla in manilla and was sick, and didn’t
train against Spinks and had hand problems just after the Young fight. However It’s true Ali didn’t age very well in the ring.
Tark, based on your statement, I guess a prime P4P Donaire lost against a neophyte too since Rigo had only 11 fight before the meeting ?
Guess what the uncordinated Norton would have blow away the inept
Mormeck in 2, stop the hating Americans boxers were far better in the ali era. Ali would have never lost against the golfer !

Posted April 18, 2013 2:25 pm 


Skip everything else and read Tark last post.

Posted April 18, 2013 2:15 pm 


Prince. Spot on

Posted April 18, 2013 2:02 pm 


unbiased dane, the problem is that they just fight bums for the most part and then claim to be great and many people believe they are great Honestly, who have they fought that posed a real threat? Lewis and Haye were the best opponents they faced.

Had they been around a prime Tyson, Lewis, Holy, Bowe etc they would not be champions. On top of that, their style is boring as hell and not beautiful to watch.

Posted April 18, 2013 1:42 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

I believe Wladimir Klitschko will beat Francesco Pianeta.

Posted April 18, 2013 1:18 pm 


Sorry for typo

Posted April 18, 2013 1:18 pm 


Harry your dismissal of Ali I nothing more than a fat light heavyweight is as absurd of a statement as those from Americans who say the klitschkos are bums who past champions would have beaten easily. For what it’s worth I’m American and consider both kbros atgs who no one would have handled with ease.

Posted April 18, 2013 1:17 pm 


pulev-wlad 2013!

Posted April 18, 2013 1:14 pm 


Ali wouldn’t have humbled Lewis or the heavyweights of today… Ali would have been hammered to death.

Wladimir is 37… When Ali was 36 he was humiliated by Leon Stinks, a 197-pound novice with 6 wins. When Ali was 31 he was beaten up by Ken Norton, an uncoordinated, weak chinned, 210lb heavyweight. Norton was a 10-1 underdog because he was previously knocked flat by a 188-pound novice with 12 wins. Ali was badly out-landed in both fights, and took serious punishment.

Wladimir has only been behind on points in one fight — against 6’4″X225lb southpaw puncher, Corrie Sanders. Ali was behind on points numerous times because he didn’t defend very well.

The only big heavyweight Ali ever faced who was a great boxer — who boxed anywhere near as well as the Klitschko’s, was Larry Holmes. Ali landed 2 punches and took about 1,000.

Posted April 18, 2013 1:07 pm 


Would love to see the italian beat Mr boring, cant see it though. If he gets close wlad will do his usual and throw him on the floor

Posted April 18, 2013 12:54 pm 

Killing Moon

unbiased: I said who knows ?….

For me HW boxing looked more explosive in the past….There has been an evolution in boxing HW wise…But it has been a mass and height one….The impressive thing about the K-bros is that they are both great athletes….That doesn’t mean they’ve ever encountered the ring smarts of Ali, The Jab of Holmes or the right hand of Louis…Those are new thing they would have to adapt to…..And especially Wlad isn’t great at adapting to something he hasn’t seen before in the ring….He’s great at carriying out a plan….But there are some really tricky ol’timers out there…

Ofcourse there are some former greats below 6’0 and under 200 where this is a unfair discussion.

But for me it’s not a given that the bro’s beats all….Styles makes fights….And there are some great ones in the past.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:50 pm 


WK says.., “Although I just turned 37, I feel much better than at the age of 27.” When you have 10 additional years to perfect your craft under the tutelage of one of the greatest trainers ever—a man who had a boxing knowledge base of over 60 years to draw on when he passed away last year—you should feel good. After 25 world title fights you’ve pretty much reached your technical zenith. However Francesco Pianeta, although undefeated, hasn’t beaten a contender, or beaten anyone who most boxing fans ever heard of.

Kubrat Pulev is undefeated, a very dangerous puncher, and knocked out Alexander Dimitrenko (32-1) and Alexander Ustinov (27-0), two towering, hulking heavyweights boxing fans have actually heard of. What’s wrong with fighting Pulev? It promises to be a very interesting contest—and I’m sure this fight will only be mildly interesting, like your last one.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:44 pm 


Read Mark Silver’s ARC of Boxing. It talks about then vs now. I like it. I don’t agree with all of it but it is informative about the skills of the old fighters. Manny Steward was interviewed in it as well as other well known boxing insiders

Posted April 18, 2013 12:35 pm 

Unbiased Dane

prince: what are you moaning for ? Haye hasnt been given a titleshot, so he have to earn it, that means more fights for your boxer, hopefully against top ranked fighters, and then he will get his titlefight against Wlad. I dont see the problem.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:33 pm 


shameless cash grab. easiest money in sport

Posted April 18, 2013 12:30 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Killing Moon; why is it you think that boxers apart from eny other athletes doesnt improve during time.
When i look at past fighters i see a lot of flaws, that the very best fighters of today would take advantage of. And you have a Foreman saying that the Klitschko´s was better than he ever was.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:27 pm 


Another great defense by the boring Klitschkos. Who is Pianeta? These guys are just ridiculous, instead of giving Haye a rematch, who still has the best chance (despite a disappointing performance two yrs ago), they defend their title against people like Mormeck, Charr, Sosnowski, Thompson and now Pianeta. The Klitschkos (especially Wlad) are just jokes!

Posted April 18, 2013 12:18 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Hidalgo said” Francesco Planeta. Talk about an unknown. He’s not listed on, he’s not on He’s not a top 10 rated heavyweight or top ten rated P4P”. Tsk tsk, So eager to criticize Wlad for enything possible. No wonder you cant find a boxer named Planeta on boxrec. his name is Pianeta you fool, and his worldranking is #14.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:18 pm 

Killing Moon

Whether or not the ones from the past would have beat K-bros …Who knows…But easy?

Get some knowledge….Nobody beats these two easy in their prime.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:17 pm 

Killing Moon

Hidalgo: What are you talking about Pianeta is rated 14 HW on boxrec…Has a wiki-page etc….Maybe you and the internet isn’t the best of friends.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:14 pm 


Actually Ali won the real heavyweight championship of the world from another fighter in Liston. Neither Klitchko actually beat the reigning world champ. So your statement is wrong.

Posted April 18, 2013 12:12 pm 


Wlad Klitschko is the reigning heavyweight champion of the world. But he is standing on top of a very tiny mountain. When he looks around all he sees now are these giant mostly overweight freaks with feeble boxing skills. Lennox Lewis in his prime would’ve destroyed Wlad without breaking a sweat, and Muhammad Ali in his prime would’ve humbled Lewis over 15 rounds. Time passes. Everyone forgets.

Posted April 18, 2013 11:52 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Ali is the most overrated fighter in boxing history. Hands down, bar none.
Just because he called himself “The Grestest” every time he opened his mouth, doesn’t mean that he truly was. Ali was a feather-fisted bicyclist, who took way too many shots, and had an average defense. Little 5’10” cruiser weight Joe Frazier beat the living hell outta him twice, and many boxing pundits agree that Joe would’ve have won their 3rd fight if his corner wouldn’t have betrayed him and threw in the towel before the 15th round.
Go back and listen to Ali and his corner after the 14th, and you’ll see that there’s no way possible he would’ve answered the bell for the final round. He went to hospital and pissed blood for weeks after that beating. 56-37-5 is a really good record, but not the mark of the so-called GOAT. And out of 37 knockouts, ONLY 12 of those were real KOs — the rest were TKOs.
Again, he was lacking power — not a trait of the real GOAT. But “The Louisville Lip” may very well be the greatest trash-talker of all time. We’ll all give him credit for that “skill.”

Posted April 18, 2013 11:21 am 


later ernie ho. clay was really boring. featherfisted clown. see ya later btch

Posted April 18, 2013 11:16 am 


Francesco Planeta. Talk about an unknown. He’s not listed on, he’s not on He’s not a top 10 rated heavyweight or top ten rated P4P. Oh what a choice for a great fighter like Wlad Klitschko to fight. OMG, the challenge! :)

Posted April 18, 2013 11:14 am 


JT, KlichKOs do not worship nobody especially Ali, they just respect the old champions and btw both Wladimir and Vitaliy said many times that their only boxing hero is Max Schmelling, primarily cause of his achievements outside the ring during the Hitler reigning. that’s it. and the fact is it was an American championship, no matter for what reason. American patriots tend to discredit KlichKOs dominance although in fact they are real WORLD CHAMPIONS, only because they are from eastern Europe. The fact is KlichKO brothers are more worthy champions than Ali, Schmelling, Tyson or Lewis. I definitely respect KlichKOs more than Ali, Tyson or Lewis.

and for ernie, your just a cheap ho, hired troll

Posted April 18, 2013 11:11 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

It’s obvious your weak attempts to impersonate me are silly. I actually write using the English language. I just stated yesterday that the Klits are very respectable people, just aren’t the greatest fighters of all time. They are huge, tremendous athletes who reign in a very weak era of competition. Their styles are boring for the most part, sorta like you and your life.

Posted April 18, 2013 11:10 am 


Even the KBROs worship ALI and say hes the greatest. He also fought his fair share of Europeans and a few South Americans. Yes Wlad has fought more ppl from differ countries but back then US fighters were better. You should be happy. US fighters have declined and the flood gate of the Soviet Union spilled open and a bunch of hungry technically skilled fighters came out. HARRY be real, the KBROS are great but you cant discredit the title held before them because you are disrespecting the title they hold now.

Posted April 18, 2013 8:55 am 


I’m еаt уou аlivе btch go аsk Теrvеl аnd Kubrаt i’аm а big friеnd with thеm/ go fish

Posted April 18, 2013 5:45 am 


ernie troll you should be banned btch. go suck some leather

Posted April 18, 2013 4:45 am 


guess you can’t think. Clay was a US champion at best. WORLD WASN’T INVOLVED IN THAT COMPETITION.

Posted April 18, 2013 1:06 am 


guess you cant count

Posted April 18, 2013 1:01 am 


no he hasn’t. sorry to burst your bubble, but Clay was just a local US champion cause then we didn’t have a WORLDWIDE COMPETITION. It was a US CHAMPIONSHIP. Plus Clay in fact was just a fat lightheavyweight.

Posted April 17, 2013 11:47 pm 


I hate to burst your bubble but Ali has fought in more different countries than Wlad. Obviously Ali fought primarily in the US against US comp but to say USA champ is pretty ridiculous. As a fan it is nice to see somebody step up to the plate to take on Wlad

Posted April 17, 2013 8:59 pm 



Posted April 17, 2013 6:51 pm 


in fact nobody knows mayvazer or packiao in both Europes besides hardcore boxing fans. And this is a BIGGEST CONTINENT ON PLANET EARTH.

Posted April 17, 2013 6:49 pm 


Not that happy with pianeta being the next opponent but Wlad is simply brilliant. The perfect example of a tall athletic power boxer. Amazing jab, devastating cross, sneaky and powerful hook. A master of maintaining distance and an athletic freak. Way too fast on his feet and with his hands for a man his size. I would just like to see him fight more guys his own size or taller who are good/proven. Oh well at least pianeta is 6’5. Better than the mormeck fight.

Posted April 17, 2013 9:05 am 


Erm, Wlad and Vit have taken I mean…

Posted April 17, 2013 7:28 am 


A poor choice of “keep me busy” opponent but also interesting. Wlad particulary seem to be obsessed bringing the HW boxing out of USA and popularizing it worldwide. To bring interest worldwide and other countries to start training their own HWs and give the World Champion titles a real meaning, not just “North-America” title as it has been.

Wlad particulary taken not only mandatories but also voluntary challangers from so many different countries: Ibragimov (Russia), Chagaev (Uzbekistan), Wach (Poland), Peter (Nigeria), Haye (UK), Mormeck (France), Charr (Syria) now Pianeta (Italy) with only mostly US mandatories (Thompson, Chambers) since there’s not much mandatories from US right now (Arreola, Wilder etc are still a couple of fights away from mandatory title shot).

I guess they’re trying to take the HW scene into new worldwide levels and pretty sure it will change in the future as well – look how much fighters come out of “middle of nowhere” developing countries on traditional boxing map (US, Mexico, UK, Cuba) these days – Eastern Europe, China, Phillipines, Indonesia, etc. One good example is that Wlad is way more known household name here in Europe than Mayweather for example. While in the US it’s vice-versa.

Posted April 17, 2013 7:27 am 

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