by Geoffrey Ciani – This week’s 97th edition of On the Ropes Boxing Radio featured an exclusive interview with former WBC super middleweight Carl ‘The Cobra’ Froch (26-1, 20 KOs), who suffered his first defeat against Mikkel Kessler (43-2, 32 KOs) last time out in Group Stage 2 of the Super Six super middleweight tournament. Froch is slated to face Arthur Abraham (31-1, 25 KOs) in Group Stage 3 on November 27 in Helsinki, Finland. Froch spoke about his upcoming fight, reflected on his career, and provided his views on various aspects of the current boxing landscape. Here is what he had to say:
On training and preparations for his November 27 fight against Arthur Abraham:
“Yeah, training has been going excellent. I’m very happy with the camp I’ve had. I’ve still got a few weeks left yet to fine tune all my sparring and get my heavy sparring done. I got another month for that and I’ll be in tip-top shape.”
His views on Arthur Abraham as a fighter:
“He’s alright. He’s a decent opponent, short and stocky, he likes to bang you out, and there’s not really much to say about him. He’s very crude. He’s not majorly skillful. You know what you get what Arthur Abraham. He’s going to come, he’s going to stand in front of me, and he’s going to try and take me to the later rounds and try and bang me out. He’s talking maybe about doing something different, but I don’t know if you can teach an old dog new tricks. What you see is what you get with him. He got easily outboxed by Dirrell. Obviously I’m not Dirrell, but I’m going to certainly be trying to box and move. Early on at least we’ll see how that goes, and then if necessary I might step in and throw some big shots. But we’ll see how the fight goes. It depends on what he brings to the table.”
On what he thinks of Abraham’s last effort against Andre Dirrell:
“What did I think about it? Nothing much, to be honest—he totally got whopped, and obviously he threw an illegal blow later on which got himself disqualified.”
On whether he believes Abraham’s low blow was the result of frustration or if it was accidental:
“It could have been a bit of both. I mean he had a split second to think about what he was doing when he did it, and he certainly had time to think about not throwing the punch and he decided to throw the punch. Maybe that was because he was frustrated, like you said. There’s a combination of the two. He was definitely losing the fight on everybody’s scorecards and everybody that was watching it had him losing by, I don’t know, maybe eight of the ten rounds that were completed. He definitely lost that fight, that’s for sure, and he would have lost the fight had it gone to the scorecards. If the fight would have gone twelve rounds, he would have lost the fight. Maybe like you say, a bit of frustration made him throw that punch that he shouldn’t have thrown.”
On suffering his first career loss in his last bout against Mikkel Kessler:
“Well people that have seen it know how the fight went. It was a ‘Fight of the Year’ candidate. It was a top elite level fight between two warriors, and as far as I’m concerned I won that fight. So I take a lot of confidence from that fight. The fact that I went over to Herning three days before the fight, which I should not have done really—it was delayed because of the volcanic ash clouds. When I was out there I was very tired trying to get into a new sleeping pattern, and a new bed, etc. It affects you physically. I had all that to contend with, and I flew in and I still put on a great performance against a Mikkel Kessler that was in the best shape of his life. As far as I’m concerned I won the fight, and I stand by that. I thought I did enough to win it by one, maybe two rounds. I wouldn’t have even given Mikkel Kessler a draw to be honest with you. He didn’t deserve a draw, but the scoring went the way it went so I’m living with that, but like I said I take a lot of confidence from that fight.
I have to say that me and Arthur Abraham are both coming off of our first loss, but there’s losing and there’s losing. My fight could have gone either way. I think I won along with 90% of the people I speak to. Arthur Abraham, on the other hand, got totally outclassed and got whopped. Mentally I think it’s going to be difficult for him to deal with because not only did he got out classed, he got outclassed by a guy who I previously beat. It’s going to be tough for him to think about fighting a guy that beat someone who beat him, especially in the manner in which he was beaten. I know he takes some sort of pleasure from knocking Dirrell out as he mentioned in the press conferences. He’s out bragging about putting Dirrell in the hospital. Obviously like I said, he takes some pleasure from that which I don’t think is right and it’s totally wrong to foul blow somebody and then brag about it after and call the guy an ‘actor’. It was out of order.
Like I said, there’s losing and there’s losing. I’m coming off of my first paper loss. On paper I lost, but as far as I’m concerned the fight was a victory for ‘The Cobra’ and I’m now fighting for my belt back. So after I beat Abraham, there will be some form of poetic justice.”
His views on reports that Andre Dirrell is suffering neurological damage:
“Yeah, I think it’s terrible if it proves to be—obviously not legitimate, but if they got confirmed by a doctor, because obviously it’s always inconclusive injuries to any part of the body. He gets an opinion, you need to get an opinion, and you need to get a second opinion, but if it does work out that he’s definitely got a neurological problem then I wish Dirrell all the best and hope he makes the best recovery that he can. Whether or not he fights again remains to be seen. It’s a damn shame. He’s a young talented fighter who had a great future ahead of him. So if that is the case, then it’s a real shame and a real blow for Dirrell, and I send him my sincere best and hope he makes a full recovery.”
On whether he is disappointed that only three of the original six now remain in the tournament after just two rounds:
“Yeah, there’s three out of six. I’m a little bit disappointed, but I’m more disappointed at the fact Kessler is retired because I wanted that rematch. I really did want that rematch. It’s the only loss I’ve got on my record and it’s a blemish that I wanted to correct. After beating Abraham, I would have had Kessler next and hopefully on neutral ground so I can prove to everybody that there can only be one winner in a Kessler-Froch rematch and that would be myself, but that’s not going to happen now because obviously he’s retired. So that’s disappointing to me. In terms of Dirrell being out and Jermain Taylor being out, I’m not particularly disappointed. I already beat Jermain Taylor and I beat Dirrell. That’s two fighters right there that I’m not that worried about it.
In terms of the Super Six tournament and is it bad for the tournament, a lot of people have got some negative things to say about it. But if I’m totally honest, I think what it does is it shows that the person who’s going to win this tournament—and I strongly believe I can still win this tournament. I mean I’m right up there with the three that’s left over. It’s anybody’s really. Ward’s probably the favorite because he’s unbeaten, but that’s a matter of opinion with styles. We’ll see what happens when I fight Ward. The tournament and the fact that three people have had to retire from it shows that the winner of this tournament is not only the best fighter out of the original Super Six but has also toughed out and has lasted the test of time of the tournament, and the two years the tournament’s been running for, and the hard enduring fights, and the wearing out fights and the pace of the tournament. It shows that not only are you the best fighter, but also you got the mental toughness and the physical toughness to see the tournament to the end.
Obviously Jermain Taylor, he got finished off by myself in our fight and then Abraham caught him in the last round and that was the end of his career. Andre Dirrell is now injured. It just shows you that top level athletes are right up there and can still be injured. Obviously Mikkel Kessler is finished as well. I think the fight that I had with him took so much out of him. I did think that after the fight with me and Kessler that Kessler would retire, and I was right. Kessler is retired. It just shows you how tough the tournament is. The tournament’s great for boxing. It makes top fighters fight each other which we don’t see enough of at the minute. It’s a shame that some have dropped out and there has been three fighters injured, but I think it spices the tournament up a little bit, I really do. The three frontrunners—myself, Andre Ward, and Arthur Abraham—we’re still in it, and we’re all still in it to win it so it’s exciting.”
On whether he was surprised that Glen Johnson was chosen as Kessler’s replacement:
“To be honest, I was thinking of how old is the guy because he was boxing when I was still an amateur. I thought he had seen better days and I thought he was a light heavyweight, so I was a bit dubious about the whole Glengoffe Johnson coming in, but you got to give the guy credit. He’s a top level fighter. There’s not many other fighters you could pick really. There’s a few question marks about him doing super middleweight, but he’s a top fighter and he deserves his place in the tournament. I think he does, I really do.”
His views on how Joe Calzaghe would have fared if he was included in the Super Six with its current line-up:
“Well you’ve got to say that Calzaghe was a great fighter. One thing he had going for him was his work rate and his pace and his ability to sort of attack in a fight. He would always land his shots even if it wasn’t that exciting he threw fast shots and a lot of them. So he seemed to win every round he boxed because of pure work rate and the speed of his hands, but he was a bit suspect around the chin. He hit the deck a couple of times in his last few fights against Hopkins and against Roy Jones. You know there are a couple of big punchers in this tournament so you never know. He would certainly deserve a place in the Super Six, Calzaghe, what a great fighter.
Back to what we were saying about the best fighting the best in this tournament, it pits the best with the best consistently. That’s something Calzaghe never did. You could probably count on one hand, out of Calzaghe’s 44-45 fight career, tough opponents and legitimate threat opponents that he’s had and that’s over a 44-45 fight career. You can count them on one hand. In my last five fights, I beat Jean Pascal who’s a great fighter. He beat the ‘Bad’ Chad Dawson, so he’s dominating light heavyweight at the minute. So I boxed Pascal, and then I boxed Jermain Taylor, and then I boxed Dirrell, then I boxed Kessler, and now I’ve got Abraham. So this is five fights, top level fights consecutively one after the other and I’ve only had 27 fights in my career. Now that’s the sort of thing that you have to do to secure your legacy and become a legend to remain remembered when you retire. I’m not taking any credit away from Joe Calzaghe or giving him any unnecessary stick, but he’s not going to be remembered as being all-time great and that’s because he didn’t fight the best fighters, and the top fighters that he did fight they were well past their best and weren’t at their peak. Myself, I got a loss on my record but I can assure you when I retire from boxing people are going to say, ‘That Carl Froch, he fought everybody. He never swerved or ducked anybody and he was a top, top level fighter and someone to be remembered’ and that’s what this tournament is doing for all the fighters. It’s securing my legacy as an all-time great which potentially wouldn’t have happened without the tournament, so that’s why I think it’s such a great thing for boxing.”
His views on Amir Khan as a fighter and his improvements made since teaming up with Freddie Roach, and his views on Khan’s claim last week that Froch needs to “tighten up his defense”:
“I’ve not seen much improvement under Freddie Roach to be honest. I mean Khan’s developing and growing all the time as a fighter because he’s quite a young man, and he’s developing and getting stronger. He’s very quick. He’s very fit because he’s young and obviously healthy. He does twelve rounds at a pace. The only major flaw Khan’s got is he’s got a glass jaw. Now when you got a glass jaw you have to learn to adapt, and that adaptation has to come in the way of fast legs, fast hands, good movement, and fitness because if you can’t take a shot fitness does help you absorb a shot a little bit better. So Khan’s now learned to move, and box, and keep out of the way of his opponent for twelve rounds which is difficult to do. You’ve got to be super fit to do that, and that’s what he does.
You know, he said I’ve got to tighten my defense up. That’s fair enough. Maybe there is room for improvement in my defense, but there’s always room for improvement in anybody’s boxing style. The fact that my defense is a little bit low means that I get my big shots off a little bit quicker. Sometimes I shoot from the hip and bring my devastating shots, my uppercuts and my hooks, from awkward angles. If I had my defense as tight as Arthur Abraham’s for example, I wouldn’t be able to get them big punches off.
You know boxing is about different people’s opinions and it’s open to criticism whether it be positive or negative. All I’ll say is Amir Khan is a decent fighter. He impressed me in the Olympic, but he’s still got quite a lot to prove as a professional. He got absolutely flattened and knocked out in a round by Prescott which everybody’s seen and since then he’s not really fought any credible opponents for me to say, ‘You know what, he’s a decent lad who’s doing well and he’s fighting top level fighters’. He’s swerved a couple of fights. It’s time he stepped up to the plate. He needs to start fighting the top names in his weight division and getting the respect of other fighters by being involved in top fights. At the minute he’s hand-picking his opponents and he’s not really impressing anybody. There is no one really putting him up there at the minute, but he’s young and he’s got time on his side. I’m sure if he sticks with it he can do very well as a professional, but I’ve yet to name someone on his record that’s a top level fighter where I’m impressed with the win. That flattening by Prescott was certainly a bad one.”
His views on Jean Pascal’s victory against Chad Dawson:
“I think that was an excellent win for Jean Pascal. The performance he put on against Chad Dawson was brilliant. He was energetic, he was busy, he was moving well, he was boxing at times, and at times he was working in flurries and putting Chad Dawson on his back foot which I didn’t think he’d be able to do. He’s not a big, big light heavyweight Jean Pascal. Obviously I fought him at super middle. He’s around about my height and a lot of the light heavyweights seem to be taller and bigger and stronger, but he put one hell of a performance on which I knew he could. I mean a lot of people were rubbish talking him saying, ‘Oh, he’s got no chance against Chad Dawson, Carl Froch beat him, blah, blah, blah’. I was listening to it, and I thought you know what this guy gets no credit really and I don’t get as much credit as I deserve sometimes in boxing.
I just felt like he put on a phenomenal performance against a top, top fighter in Chad Dawson. He beat him fair and square and he’ll beat him in the rematch as well after he’s wiped the floor with Hopkins, because I’m not giving Hopkins a chance in this fight. Hopkins might move and hold on and fiddle his way through, but Pascal is too fresh and too fast and too fit for the likes of Bernard Hopkins. That’s going to be a one-sided fight. Pascal will probably beat him on points or maybe even knock him over.”
On whether he is still interested in moving up to light heavyweight to have a rematch with Pascal after he finishes his business in the Super Six:
“Oh definitely. I’ve already got my flight booked to Quebec on the 18th of December to watch Jean Pascal against Bernard Hopkins. I’m going out there with my trainer, and my girlfriend, and my son Rocco. We’re going to go out there and we’re going to give him some support and watch the fight, because that’s a fight I want in the future. I’ve got big, big respect for Jean Pascal as he has me. We’re sort of friends. We talk now and again on the phone. A friend of mine who lives in Canada and one of my agents in Canada, he’s often in a café with him in the morning and he puts him on the phone and we have a little chat. So it’s two warriors with great respect for each other, like myself and Mikkel Kessler. We sort of befriended each other after a great epic battle and I’m behind Jean Pascal and I’m wishing him all the best. That’s a fight that he probably wants more than me because the only blemish on his record is that of ‘The Cobra’. So if he could get the rematch with me and put that straight he’ll be happy, and I’m obviously going to be happy to become a two weight world champion because that’s a fight I think I can win even at light heavyweight. That’s why boxing is so interesting and so exciting, because there’s no animosity and there’s no needle between me and Pascal. It’s strictly business, it’s strictly sport, and when we fight each other at light heavyweight, what a great fight for the fans and the boxing public in general.”
His views on the Andre Ward-Sakio Bika fight taking place outside the Super Six tournament:
“I think it’s a decision that Showtime has made based on the fact that they maybe don’t consider Sakio Bika a feasible addition to the tournament for whatever reason. Maybe it’s because he’s coming in Group Stage 3, but I mean Glengoffe Johnson is in the same position. So for whatever reason, they’re doing that, maybe just to keep Andre Ward taking over because he’s guaranteed a place anyway in the semis with the points he’s got. So maybe they’re obliged to fulfill that third fight for him and that’s why it’s happened, but I can understand why that’s not made a tournament fight. I think it is what it is. If Andre Ward is happy to fight Sakio Bika in a non-tournament fight just to keep him moving and keep the show going, I’m happy with that. I’ve got no real comments on that to be honest.”
His views on Lucian Bute’s recent victory against Jesse Brinkley:
“I didn’t see it. We don’t get those fights over here in England. For whatever reasons the broadcasters don’t show it, but a fight between Lucian Bute and Jesse Brinkley to me is a rubbish match and a match that I wouldn’t get excited about. To be honest, if it was on I’d probably turn it off. I wouldn’t even watch it. I’d rather watch Desperate Housewives or something, because I can’t be dealing with mismatches in boxing. No major disrespect to Jesse Brinkley, but Lucian Bute is a top level fighter. He’s the IBF world champion. He’s a top level, elite level fighter like myself, but I don’t consider him to be as good as me, but Jesse Brinkley’s not up there with the top fighters in the world. He’s had his time in The Contender series, and he’s had a bit of success here and there.”
His views on the upcoming heavyweight match-up between David Haye and Audley Harrison:
“Yeah, that’s an interesting match. I think David Haye is a massive favorite for all the right reasons. He’s a puncher, he’s the world champion, and he has a big heart, loads of courage, and he’s aggressive. When he’s in there he knows what he’s doing, where Audley Harrison on the other hand tends to be a little bit gun shy and tends to be on his back foot and not do the work. He’s done nothing really as a professional to impress me. However, he did knockout Michael Sprott later on in that fight which obviously means he can punch a little bit. So he has got a puncher’s chance, but that’s only if David Haye is very careless and out of shape, which I don’t think he’s going to be. He’s not going to be careless and he’s not out of shape, because he’s training, sparring hard. I speak to David Haye on a weekly or fortnightly basis. He’s in London and I’m up in Nottingham, but we’re old amateur friends, as is Audley Harrisson actually. I was on the team with Audley Harrison, but I’m more friendly with David Haye than Harrison. So we kept in touch after we split up from the amateurs.
The safe money has got to be on David Haye. You know David Haye’s a puncher. I think the first punch he hits Harrison with, the fight could be close to being over. He’s just got to be careful and not rush in because he could walk into something serious on Harrison, but even if he walks into one Haye, he’ll be sound and he’ll come back and he’ll do the business. I’m sure of that. So I think that’s going to be an impressive win for Haye. It’s an interesting fight and it’s one that the public in Britain are getting excited about, because everybody knows who Audley Harrison is from the Olympics and obviously David Haye, when he beat Nicolai Valuev—the David and Goliath scenario, the whole publicity behind that captured the public’s imagination. So David Haye is a big name and a big star in Britain, and Audley Harrison is a big name for the right or wrong reasons. The more you love him the more you hate him. I don’t want to be nasty towards him, but he’s not got a massive loving fan base in Britain to say the least. When people turn up, they turn up a lot of the times to see him flattened. It’s an interesting fight, but one that David Haye is going to win I’m sure.”
His views on the upcoming fight between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito:
“Manny Pacquiao seems to be ridiculously super fit with a high work rate. He’s coming off the back of some great wins. You’d have to favor Pacquiao to win on points with a high work rate, but obviously Margarito’s a big puncher. He’s rough and tough. He can take a punch and he can punch himself. If he manages to get Pacquiao trapped in the corner against the ropes or put him on his back foot later on, it could be an upset on the card but I think the smart money’s on Pacquiao.”
His views on the Group Stage 3 match-up between Allan Green and Glen Johnson:
“I’ve not seen loads of Green. I did see the Ward fight and I’ve seen Johnson quite a few times. I think I watched him fight Clinton Woods in Britain, and I saw him knock out Roy Jones. Johnson’s a work horse. He throws a lot of punches. He’s not a massive puncher himself, but there are question marks around his ability to perform at super middleweight. He’s not been a super middleweight for so long. To make the weight is one thing, but to perform at the weight is totally another thing. Obviously I think Green struggles with the weight. He was talking about how he struggled to get down to 168 for the Ward fight and that was one of his reasons for underperforming that night.
I don’t know. I’m hoping it’s not going to be a flat performance between two guys that struggle at the weight. If it isn’t, it could be exciting because Johnson’s got a high work rate and he could bang a bit, and obviously Allan Green can punch so it could be interesting. I’d favor the fresher younger man in Green. I think Green will probably do a job on Johnson, but I don’t think it will be an easy night’s work for him because Johnson is an old war horse and he knows his way around the ring. He’s a very experienced veteran so it could be a mouth-watering fight.”
On the fight being fought on neutral ground in Helsinki, Finland:
“Originally it was supposed to be in Nottingham because of my fight that was away in Herning, Denmark against Kessler. The original agreement was for them to come to England, but unfortunately Kalle Sauerland isn’t a man of his word. He’s reneged on his original deal to come to England, so I lose a lot of respect for the guy as a man from that point of view. He’s not a man of my own breed to say the least, but Showtime has done the right thing. We’ve organized a neutral venue and that’s why it’s in Finland because we consider that to be neutral. On top of that, Showtime provided three American neutral judges and a referee, which is unprecedented really. It’s the first time this has ever happened where a TV network has said, ‘Alright, we’re going to provide the judges, and the referee, and the hospitality for them so there’s going to be no excuses about bad judging or politics involved after’.
So I’m very happy at the fact this is in neutral ground. If it was in England, there would be excuses from Abraham if the fight does go to points, so I’d rather it be neutral and everybody’s happy. I’m happy with it being in Finland. I’m 100% happy. It was one of Sauerland’s proposals. They put two or three proposals together and it ended up in Finland which means they’re promoting the show and my promoter Mick Hennessy takes a backseat and has no involvement at all in the promotional side of things which always raises an eyebrow and raises concern in terms of corruption when your promoter is not involved in the promotion of it. Like I said, Showtime stepped in with these judges and I spoke to the promoter out in Finland. The guys that are actually promoting it alongside of Sauerland seem to be all fair and genuine, and the Finnish fans are out there supporting a Finnish heavyweight. So there’s going to be a lot of neutral fans on the night hopefully cheering for the guy who deserves to win. It’s my job to get the fans behind me, but yeah it’s alright. Like I said, it’s not ideal. It’s going to be freezing cold. It’s going to be dark, but it’s a boxing ring at the end of the day and Abraham’s in there and I know what to do to beat him. So I’m looking forward to doing the job.”
On whether he expects his fight with Arthur Abraham to go twelve rounds:
“It depends on what Abraham does, to be honest. He’s talking about boxing and moving. If he does that, he’s probably only going to do it for two or three rounds and then he’s going to realize he’s being outboxed by the taller more rangy man in myself. So then if he decides to keep boxing, the fight will probably go the distance. I don’t take any risks. I’m a clever boxer. I know what I’m doing. I do get drawn into a fight now and again, so if he decides to come forward and have a bit of a swing which is nine times out of ten what he usually does. He could see himself walking into or finding himself at the end of one of my big shots. At super middleweight, I’m not sure he’s proven.
He’s had two fights at super middleweight. He’s won one and lost one. So let’s not forget he’s a natural middleweight coming up to 168. So he’s in unknown territory because he’s now in with a puncher at super middleweight. It’s an ex-world champion who’s looking to get his belt back after it was wrongly taken off him in Herning that night. He’s going to find himself in new territory. The fight could end with Abraham getting flattened quite early depending on what he decides to bring to the table. If he’s committed to come and box and move, then he’ll get outboxed for twelve rounds and it will be a ‘Cobra’ victory on points. I’ve got a feeling he’ll step in and start trying to take another swing up, which means he’ll walk into something like he did with Dirrell. He got put over with Dirrell and he was cut, bruised, swelled up, and he was looking in serious trouble. He lost every round against Dirrell, and let’s not forget that’s a guy I beat. He’s not got much to look forward to Abraham, in terms of this fight.”
On what he feels is the most important thing he needs to do to be successful against Abraham:
“I’ve got to stay focused and concentrate for the full three minutes of every round, because I switch off quite a lot. When I’m training and sparring and when I’m fighting, I don’t always maintain my discipline in my own mind. Sometimes I just come jabbing and I’m going through the motions. It’s important that I stay focused and execute my game plan that myself and Robert McCracken are working on. If I do that it will be an easy night’s work for me, it really will. Fitness is paramount and that’s what I’ve been working on—a lot of hills, a lot of roads, a lot of hill work, a lot of rounds in sparring, and pounding the bags and really pressing the roads. I’m even cycling as well as an addition to my training. I’m not cycling instead of something else. I’m doing some cycling like twenty-five mile bike rides two or three times a week to give me some strength in my legs.
Fitness is paramount. After that it’s just a matter of executing my game plan which means I’ve got to focus and concentrate. That’s all I need to do really. I just need to make sure I’m switched on that night and I’m thinking about what I’m doing and the fight’s mine, it really is. If you put myself and Arthur Abraham into a computer, 10 times out of 10 that computer says Carl Froch is the winner. He’s got more range, he’s got more power, he’s been a super middleweight for the last ten years, he’s fought better fighters, he’s a puncher, he’s got a granite chin—you know Arthur Abraham can’t beat me. Really, he can’t beat me. Obviously it’s boxing and the guy can punch, but I need to stay focused to execute my game plan. As long as I do that right, it should be an easy night’s work. There’s never an easy night’s work in boxing, but it should be a relatively comfortable night for me.”
His official prediction on his fight with Abraham:
“I can’t answer that question. I really can’t because I don’t know what he’s going to bring to the table. Like a great legend once said, Bruce Lee, ‘For every action there’s a reaction’. Whatever he brings to the table, however he acts I will react. So if he comes to fight he’s getting knocked out. If he comes to box the fight’s going twelve rounds. It’s as simple as that. I don’t know what he’s going to do so I can’t answer that question, but I’ll tell you one thing—Carl Froch is winning his title back on the 27th of November.”
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