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Josey Wales

Haaaa sorry Coulda i was laughing too hard to do the math lol
Regards Josey Wales

Posted July 11, 2014 6:45 pm 


Hahahaha Mr Wales beat me to the punch.

I was going to say “63 and a half million people , four people per house average , 16 million ppv sales “

Posted July 11, 2014 6:19 pm 

Josey Wales

Lol Now it’s 87,000 at the unbuilt stadium and 64 million PPV ‘s :)

Posted July 11, 2014 9:20 am 


Josey Wales, “I ain’t that idiotic”

Yes you are.. and so is WoudaCoulda.. Hatton Witter sells out any stadium that existed at that time.. and has every Brit glued to PPV

Posted July 11, 2014 6:35 am 


Mr Wales has da beat ;)

Posted July 10, 2014 9:38 pm 

Josey Wales

Tark I ain’t that idiotic that i insist Hatton v Witter would draw 87,000 to a stadium that wasn’t even built when a fight between the two was being talked about ya yank plank & who’s this anon arse sniffer you got following you around ?

Posted July 10, 2014 4:48 pm 


Josey Wales you’re an idiot… I’m not Layne the Pain you low IQ loser

Posted July 10, 2014 4:23 pm 


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Posted July 10, 2014 5:45 am 


Josey Wales you’re dumber than doggie doo. Grow a brain

Posted July 10, 2014 3:47 am 

Josey Wales

Layne = Tark the tool . lol that would fit the guy was always shy of engaging in debate with me because i always showed him up for the bitter old troll he is .

Posted July 9, 2014 8:47 am 

Layne = Tark


Posted July 9, 2014 3:07 am 


@Coulda Woulda.., Who was Holmes supposed to unify the title against???

Holmes beat Heavyweight Champions: Bonecruser Smith… Tim Witherspoon… Trevor Bebick… Leon Stinks.. Muhammad Ali… Ray Mercer… Ken Norton… Mike Weaver… and Michael Spinks… You can give him the 2nd Michael Spinks fight too because he won it.

As far as fighting Greg Page??? Page was eliminated by 3 Holmes’s victims: Berbick, Bey, and Witherspoon… As far as fighting Pinklon Thomas??? Thomas was eliminated by Berbick… As far as fighting Gerry Coatzee??? Coatzee was eliminated by Mike Weaver and Greg Page.

Holmes actually fought everybody out there who was a logical challenger. Ali didn’t.

Posted July 8, 2014 9:25 pm 


Wales.., “46 fighters attempted to turn Joe off ”

46 fighters?

Do you mean Tocker Pudwill??? … Guy Stanford??? … Carlos Christie??? … Trevor Ambrose??? … Peter Manfredo??? … Frank Minton??? … Charles Brewer??? … Nick Manners???

There’s another name for those bums: cherry-picks

JC’s record was crammed with cherries. Three of them put his butt on the floor.

guys who were great fighters when they were 36 don’t count if you fight them when they’re 43 – and come away with a split decision.

Posted July 8, 2014 8:35 pm 

Coulda Woulda

Why does TARK excuse Larry Holmes for refusing to unify the title , for facing the worst line up of bums in his first 10 defenses imaginable ( look it up , its hilarious ) , for being destroyed by Mike Tyson ( Holmes was only 38 – TARK logic ) , for refusing to rematch Witherspoon or Truth Williams and for ducking Page , Dokes etc

Posted July 8, 2014 7:32 pm 

Josey Wales

Really Anon ? Iv’e been away for quiet a while but the Tark that i recal posting here used to talk sense every once in a while. Regards Josey Wales

Posted July 8, 2014 2:12 pm 



it’s the real Tark on this board

Posted July 8, 2014 1:30 pm 

Josey Wales

Lol Is this really Tark of ESB yesteryear posting or a troll wind up merchant taking the fellers name ? Whoever you are ask yourself these two important questions , would Witter ( any version of Witter ) be able to stop Kostya on his stool & would (any version of Carl Froch that you have ever seen ) KO a fighter like Calzaghe ? Keep in mind 46 fighters attempted to turn Joe off at the mains & 46 came unstuck in trying to do so .

Posted July 8, 2014 12:47 pm 


No problem just you keep thinking that.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:35 pm 


Carl Froch would have KO’d Calzaghe and Witter would have flattened Hatton.

We’ll never know for sure because Joe and Ricky CHICKENSHlTTED!!!

Posted July 8, 2014 10:45 am 


Personally I think Hatton would have beat up Witter and Calzaghe would have schooled Froch but we’ll never know.

Posted July 8, 2014 9:23 am 


@1903.., Hatton was afraid of Floyd and Pac too. But he’s not stupid, it’s big money

You would fight Floyd or Pac for that kind of money. Don’t lie.

It wasn’t that Hatton was afraid of Witter. He didn’t want to be humiliated and KO’d by Junior — flat out.

Calzaghe felt the same way about Carl Froch. It was a horrible style matchup for Joe — or it absolutely would have happened.

Posted July 8, 2014 9:14 am 


Tark, this could go back and fore forever but I think as far as Hatton not fighting Witter goes the difference between Hatton and most of the others you mention is Hatton went on to pursue a fight with Pacquiao and a shot at the then p4p title which was a far more dangerous fight. I take issue with the notion of Hatton ducking a fight with Witter because it implies he was afraid, the fact he subsequently chased a fight with arguably the most dangerous fighter around at the time does not substantiate Hatton being afraid to fight Witter.

Posted July 8, 2014 8:59 am 


boxing today is a joke made for ppv idiots.

Posted July 8, 2014 8:56 am 


1903… TJ laid it down for you. Hatton refused the super hot matchup

Just like Amir Khan is refusing to fight Kell Brook
Joe Calzaghe refused to fight Carl Froch
Floyd Mayweather is refusing to fight Manny Pacquiao
Ray Leonard refused to fight Mike McCallum or Michael Nunn
Ray Robinson refused to fight Archie Moore
Ali refused to fight Larry Holmes when the matchup made sense 2 years earlier
Rocky Marciano refused to fight Floyd Patterson. Strategic retirement at 32

Add your own… I talked to a few WWII vets on Memorial Day, guys old enough to be my father. They said Louis delayed a rematch with Schmeling for years … and Dempsey refused to fight Wills.

Posted July 8, 2014 8:42 am 


Hatton avoided Witter like the plague.

Posted July 8, 2014 4:45 am 



RICKY HATTON was WBA and IBF Champion and JUNIOR WITTER WBC Champion at the time….When was the last time that we had a Unification fight in UK, before the likes of Benn and Eubank?

These guys had hatred for each other and if the fight had been signed the hatred would have built up as it was already there and bubbling for at least 5 years!

I know people within the game… Ask Pat Barrett…

Ricky is from Lancashire, Junior from Sheffield… This was a natural War of the Roses fight.

The boxing fraternity was licking it’s lips, because a lot of fight people and hardcore fans actually thought Junior had at least a 50/50’chance of beating Ricky, with his counter punching style reminiscent of Herol Bomber Graham aligned with good power.

Ricky Hatton could fill out an arena vs Juan Lazcano, a decent fighter, more well known becasue he was a fight character on Fight Night 2 (if I remember – the boxing simulation series)..,

There was plenty of debate on the forums including The Sun website, Setanta and many others with fans being split and bad blood going back n forth.

Two things scuppered the fight….

Ricky Hatton, like Amir Khan REFUSED point blank to, “let this guy make money off my name….”

Junior Witter was upset and outclassed by Desert Storm, after going through with the fight even though his father was very ill at the time….

I hope this puts down some points of why the fight could have caught fire and IMHO would have been a massive sell.

It’s all conjecture now as this can be out into the category of fights that should have happened but didn’t.

Posted July 8, 2014 4:14 am 


Tark, Froch v Groves sold out Wembley due to the controversial nature of the first fight and the constant harrassment of Froch by Groves, a Hatton v Witter fight would not have have had the same fervour as Froch v Groves II – the first Froch v Groves was in a 20,000 arena. Perhaps a rematch would if the first fight was controversial or entertaining but not the first fight. Also Witter’s style was not the most crowd pleasing so any fight between him and Hatton would likely have been an anti climax.

Posted July 8, 2014 3:12 am 

I’m Boxtradamus the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born

The time of the day is irrelevant. It can be Midnight, Noon, or Morn

I don’t take Boxing classes but I CAN TEACH them

The last guy like YOU that tried to challenge ME? I BEAT him.


Posted July 8, 2014 1:54 am 

Doc’s Mom

You’re staying ignorant… and stupid

Posted July 7, 2014 8:17 pm 


Tark and TJ are getting senile.

Posted July 7, 2014 7:27 pm 


Junior Witter will be aiming to recapture the form that saw him knock out former world champion Vivian Harris in his last fight in September when he defends his WBC world light-welterweight title for the third time against undefeated American Timothy Bradley at the Nottingham Arena tonight.

The 34-year-old Yorkshireman still believes he will be able to press for the domestic showdown against Ricky Hatton, for which he has been campaigning for years, provided he can post an impressive performance in front of what is likely to be the biggest television audience of his career and a live crowd of around 6,000.

“Hatton is fighting Juan Lazcano later this month, and good luck to him. But the fight that the British public want to see above all others is him versus me,” said Witter. “It would be bigger than Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank. If they announced a fight between me and Hatton, it could be at Wembley Stadium and they would sell it out in an hour.

“He talks about fighting (Floyd) Mayweather again, but the British audience would rather see him fight me. They know that Mayweather has beaten him and would beat him again, but a fight against me would be the unknown. But that’s for the future. First it is Bradley, and I am excited by that fight. I am at my best when I face the best, and he will bring that out of me.”

Source: The Guardian

This fight would have blown up much like Christie and Kaylor as the hatred between these two was genuine and it would have been a WAR OF THE ROSES… Lancashire vs Yorkshire and a battle to see who was England’s best 10 stone man…

The hype would have built to fever pitch….

Posted July 7, 2014 6:58 pm 


When Hatton and Witter were both World Champions that fight was a super hot World Title Unification Fight you ignorant azzhole… There was severe bad blood between Hatton and Witter… It was an unmatched grudge fight.

Groves was just a suckfaced punk and he sold Wembley out with 36-year-old Froch… In a few hours you couldn’t get tickets.

That’s what genuine grudge fights at the world level will do.

Posted July 7, 2014 6:56 pm 


PS…. Hatton v Witter would have sold out Wembley Stadium :) LOL….

Posted July 7, 2014 6:02 pm 


Carl Froch, Ring Magazine ““I would have turned up in Cardiff, his (Calzaghe) home town, because I really felt like if I would have boxed him, that I would have beat him. But I’m also totally honest that if the fight would have happened, it’s a fight that I could have lost.”

Ring Magazine website… article title..” froch once called out calzaghe”

When Froch and Calzaghe were both on the Ringside show on Sky Sports and asked who would win if they had fought, Calzaghe said “I would have won.” … Froch said ” I would have to knock him out win, otherwise his speed and work rate would have been too much.” Then they both had a laugh together…

Posted July 7, 2014 5:00 pm 


Froch would have been schooled by the prince of wales, he was amazing unbelievable workrate for a smw

Posted July 7, 2014 11:32 am 


witter.another complete joke.

Posted July 7, 2014 9:45 am 


Josey Wales

Lmfao” 87,000 ” fans would have turned up to watch boring arse sword fencer Witter fight Hatton , sometimes clueless people should say nothing instead of embarrassing themselves by talking utter crapola . Regards Josey Wales

Posted July 7, 2014 5:20 am

I totally agree with that. Tark’s a fool!

Posted July 7, 2014 7:07 am 


TOP BRITISH FIGHTS I’d like to see…

David HAYE vs TYSON Fury [Haye should not be allowed a title tilt unless he gets past Fury, who he’s already pulled out of two signed fights]
Tony BELLEW vs NATHAN Cleverly II [This rematch must happen for the action and drama it will bring inside and outside the ring]
Ovill Mackenzie vs Enzo Maccarinelli [At a catchweight of 180 lbs…No one is prepared to fight The Upsetter, who just laid out John Lewis Dickenson at Cruiserweight- which isn’t even his natural division]
James DEGALE vs George St. Groves [There is unfinished business between these two and it won’t happen until 2015, if ever… But, I figure they could well meet for Froch’s vacated IBF belt if he’s stripped for taking on Chavez Jnr. It’s another big grudge match and they are both with King Eddie]
Billy Joe Saunders vs Chris Eubank Jnr [Ive been watching Jnr. since my time in Vegas and he was getting rave reviews…. We haven’t even scratched the surface of what this kid can do in the ring…Technically, he’s better than Senior, but does he have his chin and his heart???? BJS is a fave fighter of mine and he’s not put a foot wrong so far in the ring…. I reckon 2015, perhaps for the Euro title…]
Kell Brook vs Amir Khan [Amir repeatedly dismissed Kell, saying he’s not on his level, but he’s sniffing round now Kell could be champion… Eddie offered Khan millions on a few occasions over the last year to make the fight…. Amir turned it down opting for an easy night with Luis Collazo, who frankly didn’t turn up! Even if Kell beats Porter, I doubt Amir had the stones for the fight as he is chasing Mayweather, but can he afford to turn down a massive Wembley payday vs Brook?]

There’s loads more big fights but the biggest at the lower weights are

Scott QUIGG vs Carl Frampton [By the time this gets signed it will be a unification at Super Bantam as The Jackal is favoured to stop Kiko Martinez and could be massive in any Irish arena… Croke Park?]

I would also like to see a rematch between Stuart Hall and Paul Butler [However, Butler has handed back his IBF Bantamweight title, electing to move back down… I had Hall beating Butler narrowly in what was a really good scrap]….. Perhaps Hall can challenge Jamie McDonnell for his WBA strap and the vacant IBF?]

Posted July 7, 2014 6:47 am 


Agree totally with TARK reference calzaghe /froch fight that calzaghe avoided like the great plague!! This fight should have happened, it irks me when I read or hear calzaghe fans say…joe was way ahead of froch career ways when froch wanted the fight , that analysis makes me laugh… froch was in the same position as calzaghe was then and accepted george groves challenge of a an domestic fight. Froch was calzaghe, s WBC mandatory at one stage and joe got stripped for refusing to take it!!!!!!,
And do not forget that calzaghe also refused an £1 million career highest offer to fight clinton woods.
wood, s promoter dennis hobson said at the time….we were offering joe more than he, d ever been paid in his career , if thats not good enough what is!!
When roy jones was in his prime , calzaghe stated…..I could probably give roy jones a tough fight , probably the best fight he, s ever had , but I know my capabilities , unless I got paid the crown jewels I would, nt want to risk it , but calzaghe took the fight years later when jones was totally shot.!!!!!!!

Posted July 7, 2014 6:07 am 


Calzaghe beat a 43-year-old man by split decision

An old man who lost to China-Chin Jermain Taylor TWICE.

After that brilliance why fight Froch or Dawson?

Decision old beaten up Roy Jones and retire. Pick your spots, that’s how it’s done.

Posted July 7, 2014 5:21 am 

Josey Wales

Lmfao” 87,000 ” fans would have turned up to watch boring arse sword fencer Witter fight Hatton , sometimes clueless people should say nothing instead of embarrassing themselves by talking utter crapola . Regards Josey Wales

Posted July 7, 2014 5:20 am 

Tark Destoyer Calzaghe

Calzaghe v Hopkins, damn Calzaghe

Posted July 6, 2014 11:06 pm 


“I preferred Tom Terrific’s rap – it flowed effortlessly and didn’t try to make things fit for effect…..”-IF what you’re doing doesn’t have any effect then WHY are you doing it? That’s why mine WON…..thats OK. Alot of people prefer the LOSER. Paul Williams and Timothy Bradley agree with ME on that. SO does Carl Froch.

Posted July 6, 2014 8:57 pm 


The biggest reason grudge matches develop is; one fighter refuses to fight another one when he’s challenged — and there’s a natural matchup that makes it a big money fight.

Usually the guy who thinks the other guy’s style would be tough for him refuses the fight… Otherwise why wouldn’t Stevenson fight Kovalev when it’s a monster clash and natural matchup??? Stevenson is scared to death he’d get badly hammered and then iced… Riddick Bowe gave up a world title rather than fight Lennox Lewis in the most natural matchup in the world.

Cleverly and Groves were confident they were going to win vs Kovalev and Froch.. Maybe they just weren’t very bright — or were very poor evaluators of their own styles and skills.. To me, they both talked very confidently but they seemed a little scared anyway..

I think some fighter misinterpret fear as nervousness and just think they’re nervous. I remember sharing a dressing room with a boxer who was fighting a co-feature on the same card. He looked scared to death. I said, “You can’t be scared man. You have to focus on the opportunity and what you need to do to win. You’ll get run over if you go out there looking and feeling scared.”

He said, “I just don’t want to look terrible man. That’s what I’m afraid of. Looking like an idiot with 20 million people watching. It’s just butterflies, I can’t calm the damned butterflies.”

I have a hunch Floyd Patterson… Michael Spinks… and Joe Frazier knew what they were DOOMED.. There was no possible way out for them without looking like stone cowards. They had to take those fights. Their body language said, “I’m about to get killed … so here goes nothing.”

Riddick Bowe didn’t care if he looked like a coward.. He just said NO

Posted July 6, 2014 8:05 pm 


Cheers TJ, Bellew will be on Cleverly’s case as soon as his fight on the 12th is over and he will likely single handed sell half the tickets just by running his mouth off. Fancy Bellew for the win but they both better make sure they get the job done on the 12th first.

Posted July 6, 2014 6:21 pm 


1903, No worries mate.

I always read your posts with interest and you are always straight down the line.

Cleverly vs Bellew II could be a monster clash if it gets signed. It’s unfinished business and I believe Eddie Hearn is licking his lips trying to replicate what happened with Carl and George, although he will have to do a bit of legwork to get into the general public’s mind, but once Tony starts speaking I am 100% certain the cash registers will start ringing.

They should start beating the drums for this fight right now.

Posted July 6, 2014 5:52 pm 


You think Porter is a lighter version of Joe frazier?Sort of the same,and fighting guys his own size is a good thing.No george Foremans to contend with.I have seen Porter in poor fights that he barely escaped,and was hit repeatedly with clean shots.I think he has improved as a pro.,and will have to be beaten to the punch.Obviously boxing styles do not fare well against him,only head to head combat that he has trouble with.Someone who can keep him at their mercy.

Posted July 6, 2014 5:42 pm 


TJ, we can agree to disagree I just don’t think the demand was there outwith the hardcore. I do agree with you on Bellew v Cleverly II though. Looking forward to that one.

Posted July 6, 2014 3:48 pm 



We have a genuine grudge match that once signed for will do terrific numbers…

Cleverly vs BELLEW II, I predict will be huge based on the pre-fight bad blood of their first fight and the aftermath of this fight where BELLEW is miffed that Cleverly is telling anyone who will listen that that fight was a walk-in-the-park for him.

BELLEW told Boxing Monthly he wants to hurt Cleverly real bad and do a better number on him than Kovalev did… BELLEW is A promoter’s dream when it comes to press conferences as he allows his emotions to get the better of him and wears me his heart on his sleeve.

Their fight at Light Heavyweight was a real war and the rematch at Cruiserweight will be that much better as BELLEW now knows he can fight in top class and feels stronger at his more natural weight.

I had Mr. MENSA, Cleverly squeaking by in the first fight, but I believe that BELLEW could even stop NATHAN at the higher weight.

For a MENSA student Cleverly sure does like to defend blows with his face.

Eddie HEARN has learned more about how to plant the seeds and let a fight evolve and then explode in our faces in such a short time than it’s taken other, far more established promoters to cotton on to giving the public exactly what they want.

Celverly is a KO victim just waiting to happen and if BELLEW truly believes his rhetoric I believe he is the one to hand it to Cleverly.

Posted July 6, 2014 3:39 pm 



It is a write up by respected journo Gareth A. Davies who you can regularly see on BoxNation with the likes of Colin Hart, Glynn Leach and my old friend, Ron Lewis…

This was not only big news amongst hardcore boxing fans (the debate was fiery on many fight forums) but they were split on who would win as well as some people saying Ricky shouldn’t give him a payday and others arguing that this was the perfect stage for British boxing.

I wanted Ricky to take the fight as it would have been huge for British boxing not just domestically, but would have put us out there on the world stage, just like everyone now wants to emulate the new Wembley show with FROCH and Groves.

This would have been the natural conclusion to a long-running feud these two engaged in, but sadly it didn’t happen.

Witter bumped into a Desert Storm and the fight was dead in the water.

Posted July 6, 2014 3:27 pm 


That’s one journalist speculating. I’m sure a lot of fans wouldn’t have minded seeing it if the fight was made but there was no clamour and demand for it. No one had an issue with him fighting Lazcano hence the reason for people filling the City of Manchester Stadium to see it and no one had a problem with him going to the States to fight Malignaggi except of course Witter himself who wanted attention and a payday.

Posted July 6, 2014 3:13 pm 


Excerpt from the Daily Telegraph online:

Ricky Hatton has ruled out the prospect of facing British light-welterweight rival Junior Witter, according to the fighter’s lawyer, Gareth Williams. He will instead fight once in the UK early next year before meeting American Paul Malignaggi at Madison Square Garden.
Gareth A Davies: No way back for Hatton
Witter, beaten only once in 37 contests, and the holder of the World Boxing Council light-welterweight title, has been verbally sparring with Hatton for several years. That rivalry has intensified following Witter’s high-profile victories over DeMarcus Corley and Vivian Harris, both world-level contenders.
It is a fight British fans would like to see, yet Williams insists that Witter is intent on using Hatton’s pulling power with British boxing fans to make a name for himself. “Ricky will never fight Junior Witter, as long as he keeps attacking him in public,” Williams said.
Hatton’s lawyer instead revealed that the Mancunian, whose defeat against Floyd Mayweather was his first in 44 fights, may consider a fight in England, with a possible defence of his International Boxing Organisation junior welterweight title – before facing International Boxing Federation 140-pound champion Malignaggi in New York later in the year.

Posted July 6, 2014 2:01 pm 


Hatton sold out a stadium fighting Juan Lazcano and Calzaghe sold out a stadium fighting Kessler and even Manfredo neither one needed Witter or Froch for a big fight but Witter and Froch needed them. Again no one in the UK was calling for these fights at the time and Hatton and Calzaghe could have sold out stadiums fighting anyone.

Posted July 6, 2014 11:57 am 


Don’t listen to anything TARK the old bigot says.

He hates Calzaghe and he’s been caught lying about him and talking pure rubbish just for the sake of hating on a number of occasions.

Posted July 6, 2014 11:39 am 


Thanks for that TJ… A lot of these posters just aren’t heavyweight thinkers

Posted July 6, 2014 11:33 am 



Ricky Hatton vs Junior Witter would have sold out any venue in the UK. Their rivalry was even more bitter than FROCH and Groves and both were champions or highly ranked at the time. There was lots of debate going back and forth.

Ricky kept to his guns saying, “I don’t want to give him a payday off of my name!”

Theirs was a long-standing and genuine hatred.

Posted July 6, 2014 7:10 am 

king of smack

TARK being a big baby again

Posted July 6, 2014 5:58 am 


@ Calzaghe.., I’m not old. I’m not bitter. You don’t have the foggiest idea what my life is like outside of Boxing… and you can’t handle the truth.

You ducked big bombing Carl Froch… You knew your brittle mitts wouldn’t hold up.

Posted July 6, 2014 4:05 am 



Floyd is right, esb is your world and that is pretty much pathetic. Youre an old, poor and bitter man.

Posted July 6, 2014 3:36 am 


That’s so true JE..,

Froch’s competition leaves Calzaghe’s in the dust … and he’s beaten everybody he’s ever faced except Andre Ward.

Calzaghe refused to fight Carl Froch and Chad Dawson — simple fact.. He was the biggest ducker and cherry-picker of his day.. Roy Jones was getting KO’d with regularity and Hopkins had already been beaten twice by pathetic Jermain Taylor — who Froch beat the crap out of and KO’d.

Posted July 6, 2014 1:20 am 


1903 – Calzaghe’s only “world” level wins were against Lacy, Hopkins, and Kessler — all coming at the end of his title reign. Here’s the list of opponents for Froch that Calzaghe can’t match: Pascal, Abraham, Taylor, Kessler (twice), Ward, Bute, Dirrell, Glen Johnson etc… Obviously not all were wins but there’s no mistaking the fact that he fought the best in his division without exception.

Posted July 5, 2014 9:13 pm 


SHould be a great fight I like Porter in this one though proven skill.

Posted July 5, 2014 7:55 pm 

brza da originator

U know porter is diesel when the hypeman al haymon is letting him off the leash . Shawn will make it physical n uncomfortable for brook who while talented will crumble because folks hes been matched to easy in his formative years where he shoulda been honing his skills against steadily improving opposition instead of showboating againsr scrubs. U cant at 28 take this kinda step up

Posted July 5, 2014 7:31 pm 


this is the worst boxing era for peds ever.

Posted July 5, 2014 3:05 pm 


mayweather86 Hi.. yup i just visit here now and again. I agree this should be an interesting fight.. Porter is the fave to win, but who knows?

Posted July 5, 2014 2:23 pm 


JE, Froch has had and exceptional career and I’m a fan of his but Calzaghe was by far the superior of the two. I know what you mean by Froch’s resume but you have to remember that when Calzaghe fought Lacy hardly anyone gave him a chance and he put on a clinic that night. He also fought Kessler in his prime whereas Froch lost to a past his prime Kessler. Also there were former world champions such as Byron Mitchell who was dangerous at the time and Omar Sheika was being hyped before Calzaghe took him apart. Hopkins is still unified belt holder years after Calzaghe beat him. If Froch’s best wins are the Kessler and Bute ones then surely Calzaghe’s wins over Lacy, prime Kessler and Hopkins are better?

Posted July 5, 2014 12:18 pm 


Wow Goosey you’re still around? Haven’t seen a lot of either fighter but I think Porter Is the better fighter. Should be an interesting fight.

Posted July 5, 2014 12:01 pm 


Boxing Barlow – Comparing Calzaghe to Froch borders on the ridiculous. Froch has faced a far higher level of opponents on a consistent basis. Froch’s opponent list is a who’s who of the 168 pound division. Much of Calzaghe’s opponents merely prompted us to ask, “Who?”, time and again. No one can ever accuse Froch of ducking the best. Can’t say the same for Calzaghe despite his considerable talent.

Posted July 5, 2014 9:56 am 


UK — You’re citing Haye’s “fundamentals” as his strength? That’s exactly what is wrong about Haye. His movement is not well coordinated with his punching and he’s often off-balance. He, like his countryman Tyson Fury, need to master basic skills that somehow they’ve missed acquiring.

Posted July 5, 2014 9:51 am 


TARK… “They wanted to see Hatton-Witter too.” When.Junior Witter defended his WBC world title versus Vivian Harris at the Dome, in his then home town Doncaster, 900 people turned up… I live in Doncaster, near the Dome and I dont know anyone who went to the fight…. The guy could net get 1000 fans ringside in his home town for a world title fight. yet according to TARK everyone in the UK wanted to see Hatton-Witter lol….

Posted July 5, 2014 8:06 am 


As much as it pains me to say it, and I must state I am definately not a David Haye fan, outside the K Brothers he’s easily the best heavy weight out there. The guys fundemental skills are awesome.

Posted July 5, 2014 6:56 am 

Village Genius

TARK you need to stop being such a big baby. Your head looks like a scrotum and your face is like a bucket is smashed crabs

Posted July 5, 2014 6:18 am 


Unfortunately boxing isn’t in a place where the testing can be done universally but it should be done where it’s practicable and Porter defending his IBF title falls into that category. All ‘World’ title fights at a minimum should follow the strongest testing procedures possible for transparency of the guys held up as ‘World’ champions. Club boxers obviously won’t get the tests but neither do club track runners, the Olympics and World Chaampionships get the testing as they are the highest level of athletics just as ‘World’ title fights are the highest level of boxing.

Posted July 5, 2014 5:31 am 


Boxtra I preferred Tom Terrific’s rap – it flowed effortlessly and didn’t try to make things fit for effect…..

oh, and his words ring true of course :)

Posted July 5, 2014 4:56 am 


Fewer then your warthog mama took so she could abort you Village Idiot.. But she shat you out anyway and you had no face.. Tragic.. No wonder you’re so angry.

Posted July 5, 2014 1:32 am 

Village Genius

Listen to this TARK c u n t.

How many drugs are you on for your senility and bad AIDS.

Posted July 5, 2014 12:05 am 


And the idea that PEDs help you win is a something of a canard. Look at all the losers who’ve been caught doing PEDs.

The Olympic and World records from the steroid era of the 60’s and 70’s have been demolished by the modern drug free Olympian, who faces the most stringent drug testing in the history of the world.

I still believe in Olympic style drug testing for every boxer – but more to protect the athlete’s health than anything else. For team sports they can test a whole team of 50 football players at once.. In tennis and golf you have tournaments where all the world’s best athletes are together for days… For boxers they’re flung around the world and they may not travel to the fight site until a week before the fight, and sometimes they get there 2 days before the fight.

Until there are more accredited testing facilities worldwide, and the procedures become more cost effective — it’s going to be extremely difficult to get comprehensive random OSDT for all professional boxers… The world’s top promoters and commissions would have build stronger ties—and figure out how a universal program would be funded, created, implemented, and managed… It would take another 30 to 40 years at least.

Posted July 4, 2014 11:18 pm 


@ who are your guys to beat him – aka – Tark…..Ali was an OLD MAN when Holmes took ADVANTAGE of him. Kinda like how SREDMOND bludgeons you. Spinx also won due to Ali being OLD & SICK (had early stages of his disease)….I know, i know, of course your gonna believe everyone is still in their respective primes once they go up against each other……..u NEED supplements dude – QUICKLY!!!!….Maybe Haye should fight Ali NOW to prove your point….it would solidify your objective thinking for ALL to see!!

Posted July 4, 2014 10:22 pm 


Just because a fighter loses while on drugs doesnt mean it shouldnt be tested for! The Better the fighter the better it would assist. The older the fighter the less. The less active….. Common sense plays a part here. NO DRUGS PERIOD is the GOAL! A weak fighter can work particularly hard for a certain fight and WIN with the assistance of ROIDS! It ALL depends on the perfect combination of chance & opportunity…..again, no drugs – at all – is the GOAL. Drugs give an unfair advantage that is liable to KILL or bring on serious injury…..Boxing especially DOES NOT need it – the sport already is dangerous ENOUGH as it!! Urine testing is not “fine for now”….and it seems u eat only “pudding”. The Boxing Commission should be responsible for paying, or they should responsibly work something out with the Olympic organization – NOT leaving poor (the majority) fighters to fend for themselves. The fighters are already preoccupied looking for a shot & taking care of their families…..Boxing has the money, not the fighters. Something CAN be worked out, its just not important enough for those involved.

Posted July 4, 2014 10:01 pm 

Who are your guys to beat him?

Let me guess… Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Young, Norton, Lyle, Liston, Patterson, Leon Spinks, and Karl Mildenberger

You wouldn’t mention Larry Holmes, the most likely candidate Ali fought… because he kicked Ali’s ass so severely and you don’t like him.

Posted July 4, 2014 9:36 pm 


David “TOE” Haye…..Top TEN Heavyweight of ALL TIME, since the inception of BOXNG!!! Someone needs SUPPLEMENTAL NOURISHMENT FAST!!!!

Posted July 4, 2014 9:25 pm 


@C’mon now!!! Your dementia is worse than ever I see. You can’t even communicate or understand basic ideas lately.

I get great nourishment from natural organic plants and grass and range fed meats that are never fed corn, antibiotics, synthetic growth hormones, manure, and other garbage — which is the crap that made you so sick.

There is no reason for any athlete to take tests from entities they don’t trust… Unless and until proper safe guards and systems are in place for wide spread testing I wouldn’t do it…

Pacquiao can afford to the tests… He makes 20 million a fight… Most boxers do not even make enough money to pay for their own testing… They do the standard urine tests which are fine for now.

Most of the guys who’ve been caught got their asses kicked anyway: Morales… Vargas… Berto… Jones… Peterson… all got their asses knocked out.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Posted July 4, 2014 9:21 pm 

C’mon now!!!

TARK…….U stuffed brain….what difference would it make, if anyone thought he beat the tests…..THATS not IMPORTANT u PUZZLED brain dead!! Its what it will accomplish for fighters in the FUTURE – from here on out!!! Because u dont take vitamins is a STUPID MOOT point considering what we’re dealing with!! U’d rather take a man at his word & his smile than to GET BEHIND the scene of the situation with TESTS!! Ur a arrogant pigeon. Too bad there isnt a 12 step class for deluded arrogant people….

Posted July 4, 2014 8:51 pm 

C’mon now!!!

Tark…..U not taking a vitamin pill or pills only add to ur deluded malnourished brain – no wonder u think David “TOE” Haye is a top ten fighter – U demented frog! Ur ARROGANCE is 2nd to none. Comparing U not taking Flintstones Multis to that of a LIFE & DEATH sport which has its past participants left with serious neurological disorders, which would benefit fighters greatly – should have U STRONGLY considering GERITOL or ANY vitamin for ur weak cerebellum reasoning. So I guess the fighter should just eat carbs & chicken breast!?? U deluded frog….u seem to b the one with the feces diet, as ur brain seems to produce it at every level….. Please dont try to share it…

Posted July 4, 2014 8:36 pm 


@ Sing to Tom Terrific

I’m Boxtradamus the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born

The time doesn’t matter it can be Midnight, Noon, or Morn

I’m definitely SMARTER than whoever taught YOU in class

I’m SO far ahead of the pack that even the 2ND GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born can’t kiss MY ass


Posted July 4, 2014 8:00 pm 

turbo hamster on tequila

Also your weak stance on peds means any gym you ran was likely a ped den

Posted July 4, 2014 7:57 pm 

turbo hamster on tequila

I have been to 8 fights live in the UK. I am exactly the type of person who would go to that type of fight.

I want calling for it.

How many fights in the UK have you been to?


Were you there?


Now you are talking about ” the boxing community” but a second ago it was about 60,000 fans.

You want to fill up Wembley you need to get casual fans. You don’t get casual fans without the diehards being interested and even the die hats weren’t. There was far more talk of calzaghe woods to become a two weight champion.

You are simply wrong.

The fact you continue to lie like a child makes me doubt whether any more than half what you say has any truth to it.

Posted July 4, 2014 7:54 pm 


Hamster says.., “No TARK. Why will you just not accept the feedback from people who know better.
Lots of us were in the UK at that time and we have told you repeatedly there wasn’t a great appetite for froch calzaghe.”

Because you were living under a rock son… and not talking to boxing fans.

Every single Brit boxing fan I talked to at the time said they wanted to see Calzaghe-Froch and said it would be a great fight.. They wanted to see Hatton-Witter too..

But since you lived under a rock, you would hear anything about it. And anyone who claims there wasn’t a natural demand for that fight was living under a rock.. You didn’t know anyone in the Boxing community.

The buzz starts off when 2 guys say they want to fight each other… Froch vs Groves didn’t have any buzz at first..

But when the fight was being negotiated for real, that’s when you read and heard about it everywhere … It sold out in 15 seconds.. You had two top guys in the same division who didn’t like each other.

The rematch sold out Wembley in 4 hours.

When Calzaghe just keeps saying he’s not going to fight Froch and fights somebody like Peter Manfredo — everyone knows the fight isn’t happening… Why even talk about it? The man’s a coward.. But if Calzaghe said he wanted to fight Froch next??? … It would have exploded all over the place. You never would have seen anything like it… “Calzaghe and Froch are going to fight!!!”

Just like if Hatton said he wanted to “shut Witter’s mouth” you’d never be able to get tickets for that fight… They would have been gone in a flash.

Posted July 4, 2014 7:43 pm 


When they require OSDTing for every fight it will be done… Before that why even worry about it??? … If some stupid idiotic fan doesn’t like it he can EAT SHlT.

I never even took a vitamin pill because I don’t want anything corrupt in my body.. I came up when PEDs were legal and many athletes took them.. Not all by a long shot… Many guys didn’t trust steriods or other PEDs.

But I’m sure most wouldn’t voluntarily do blood tests…unless their opponent said, “No test, no fight.” Why? The tests aren’t going to help you win any fights.

Who gives a damn if some idiot thinks you’re on PEDs… He’s not going to change his mind if you tested negative for every fight with random OSDTing for every single fight in your career … He’s going to think you beat the tests.

Posted July 4, 2014 7:19 pm 

C’mon now!!!

Tark is a mentally deluded pastry cake! Stringent testing should be taken by EVERY single pro boxer there is! PacROID* has taken stringent testing only for Rios, yet ARROGANT deluded Tark sees no suspicious behavior in this. He claims to know what the British people wanted to know BETTER than the British themselves. Tark is an aardvark.

Posted July 4, 2014 6:56 pm 


Tark I can read. I read you asking why people should go through testing if they’ve nothing to hide. My answer is your stupid. Everyone should do the test to prove they’ve nothing to hide. Not doing the test in no way shows people have nothing to hide it shows the opposite.

Posted July 4, 2014 6:36 pm 


TALKING ABOUT BOXERS wanting to smash someone’s lights out… Did anyone read the interviews in Boxing Monthly with TONY BELLEW and NATHAN CLEVERLY?

They’re both with Matchroom now and when TB was asked about it, he said he’s not bothered that NC is now on board, but he was really p’d off that NC said their fight was a walk in the park for him. TB said he was a lying, disrespectful piece of crap and he wants to beat the living tar out of Cleverly in their rematch which is going to happen at the new Cruiserweight limit sometimes soon.

BELLEW said he is even prepared to pass up a world title shot, just so he can punch Cleverly’s teeth down his throat.

Now, that is a fight I will pay to see when it’s signed. Their fight at Light Heavy was a barn burner and I fancy Bomber to out Nathan’s lights out in a rematch.

Posted July 4, 2014 6:31 pm 

turbo hamster on tequila

No TARK. Why will you just not accept the feedback from people who know better.
Lots of us were in the UK at that time and we have told you repeatedly there wasn’t a great appetite for froch calzaghe.

Froch called calzaghe live on BBC one morning and asked for the fight. Calzaghe said show me the money. Froch smiled and conceded because he knew he couldn’t.

I say this as more of a froch fan. I am English calzaghe is Welsh. The Welsh hate us, I have no reason to coddle them. But the fight wasn’t being demanded.

I WAS THERE. Stop being so belligerent. Why not just accept that while the British public SHOULD have been calling for it they weren’t?

Posted July 4, 2014 6:20 pm 


Anonymous.., You’re a complete idiot who can’t read or understand anything he reads.. People as dumb as you screw the world up.

People who test are human beings. Human beings can be corrupted. If you’re not required to do special testing that almost NO boxers undergo – why take the risk? It’s an expense you don’t need.

To me it’s fine that Pacquiao tests for all his fights.

Andre Ward DIDN’T agree to random OSDTing his last fight for good reasons… When they’re not required why take them? That doesn’t put Ward under any suspicion.

Edwin Rodriguez is that guy who took Conte’s supplement and went into the Oxygen chamber to improve his performance… Rodriquez took the random tests as so what??? He fouled his ass off, didn’t make the weight, and still lost almost every round.

A lot of good the tests and VADA did him… Screw tests you don’t have to do.

Posted July 4, 2014 6:07 pm 


Brook is the real deal. I fancy he’ll be too classy for Porter.

Posted July 4, 2014 5:08 pm 

Joliet Jake

Tark, Froch would not have beaten Calzaghe. Joe had one of the best chins ever. He may not have been the hardest puncher but he would’ve destroyed the slow Froch with speed. He never got tired.

Posted July 4, 2014 4:33 pm 


Tark are you mentally retarded? Your point of view is why do the test if you’ve nothing to hide but surely it’s a case of why wouldn’t you do the test if you’ve nothing to hide. Conspiracy theories galore do you really think a testing agency would spike an athlete? Why not have no drug testing at all then would that make you happy? Or should it only be certain fighters who take the test and the rest get a pass. Your a moron.

Posted July 4, 2014 4:14 pm 


Hamster says.., “I don`t want to get poked with a needle. Every single cheat will say that.”

NO they won’t you idiot…

Lamont PEDerson DEMANDED random OSD testing for his Khan fight… He was a filthy cheat who thought synthetic testosterone wouldn’t show up in the tests.. The blood tests weren’t even required to nail LP.. The standard urine tests were enough to get the low testosterone fool.

But why go through all the random testing, the sticks, and the blood donations if you have nothing to hide??? … 99.999% of Boxing matches don’t involve those super expensive total distractions to your regular routine.. Somebody has to pay for those tests.. Especially when you have these idiot test personnel they send out from VADA, who don’t do the job professionally, it’s not worth it for these low paycheck fights.

To me, if a guy sticks you with a needle, you don’t know with 1000% certainty where that needle has been, even if they break it out of a standard test kit before they stick you. Rios said they didn’t even do that.

There’s so much corruption in Boxing — that would be one more way to infect you with something that harms your performance.

I would wait for the big fight to do it… When it’s required.. If Floyd says “We’re going to test” then test.. It’s like some guys punch themselves in the jaw before a fight to get warmed up… That wasn’t required so I never did it.

Posted July 4, 2014 4:04 pm 


Hamster says, “Stop telling us what would or would not have been big at that time, or what we were crying out for.”

Froch vs Calzaghe would have been unbelievably HUGE!!!! MASSIVE!!!

Brits who dying to see Carl Froch murder Calzaghe. It was HOT!!!

I mean GTFOOH!! Hard punching Froch fought stupid suckface GG when he had 19 fights. They packed 87,000 Brit asses into a 65,000 seat stadium.

Therefore Hammy… I believe Froch would have pulled at least 60,000 fans into Wembley with Calzaghe — because JC ws almost as big a draw as suckface … and could punch almost 50% as hard as GG.

The only reason the fight wasn’t made, is Calzaghe was a bit chicken livered about facing a prime brutal puncher who could smash his arrogant lights out.

Carl didn’t like JC… and really wanted to do him. That makes for a big fight.

Posted July 4, 2014 3:38 pm 


TARK….that is just the biggest load of hot air, worst set of excuses for ducking PED testing I have ever heard.

I don`t want to get poked with a needle.

Come on. You really would just accept that?

Every single cheat will say that.

Posted July 4, 2014 3:21 pm 


shawn will do a strict american drug test.dont worry.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:52 pm 

brza da originator

If porter defeats brook impressively he should move ahead of garcia on pound 4 pound lists . That will be 3 impressive victories in a row against quality opposition something dannyboy has never came close to doing (victories over shot names like judah n morales don t cut it wit semi knowledgable boxingfans)

Posted July 4, 2014 1:29 pm 


Porter is not doing PEDs… This fight isn’t making him 15 million… so why go through all those needle pokes and blood donations for a fight like this? … This fight could be tougher than a Floyd fight.

You don’t need your routine broken up with, “The random blood testing guys are here again… so when you’ve got a few minutes Shawn.”

Brandon Rios complained that the VADA testing guys were extremely unprofessional. They didn’t even have a proper kit for taking blood samples the last time they came, and that’s the test that failed.

Rios swears he was clean and the Chinese testing agency also took OSDT samples, were very professional, and passed Rios with flying colors.

Andre Ward said, “Victor Conte is mixed up with VADA… and its not required for me to test. I’m as clean as the Board of Health anyway, so it’s a waste of my time.

Rodriguez can do VADA testing if he likes, it’s no skin off my nose. He’s taking Conte supplements and using an oxygen chamber to improve his performance. I think that stuff is all nonsense. It won’t help him. I pass on that kind of preparation because I think it’s detrimental… and I’ll pass on the tests as well.”

Posted July 4, 2014 12:58 pm 



Hey hibdeebibdee, I wasn’t saying Shawn Porter was on something, but when you hear fighters allude on a program like Ringside that there are whispers around a fellow professional that is big news.

Normally fighters will band together and rubbish these sort of whispers, but not last night!

re: rankings… The more powerful the promoter, the more likely their fighter will get the shots and the breaks that they may not deserve. King, Arum were at it right through the 80s and 90s and growing up British fighters feared travelling to Italy as that was the equivalent of Germany is today for a travelling fighter. Therefore, just like today fighters align themselves with the promoter most likely to get them the biggest breaks and hopefully purses.

I’m not accusing Porter and I’m not blaming any particular promoter, because the promoter’s job is yo make as much money and publicity as they can…. As a by product the fighter will actually make some cash, but the real money and power usually stays with the promoter!

Posted July 4, 2014 12:55 pm 


“They can get an unknown fast tracked or dumped from the ratings.”

Same here in America, TJ. Example: Robert Guerrero. He’s not an unknown but he was vaulted to the top 5 P4P rankings before his fight with Mayweather and now he’s nowhere to be found on the top 10 list. How and why is that possible? Simply because the guy didn’t fight for a year?

The ratings/rankings are constantly manipulated in order to make fights that the people in power want to make.

Artificial rankings

Posted July 4, 2014 11:30 am 


“Apparently it’s like wildfire through the boxing community that Shawn Porter refused for random drugs testing for his fight with Kel Brook! I can’t remember which boxer was talking about it last night on Ringside, but it looks like there are whispers about Porter.”

Wow. I guess things have changed in the boxing world–the American boxing world at least. Used to be that one was innocent until proven guilty. Nowadays it seems that when a fighter refuses random drug testing he’s guilty until proven innocent. Why can’t a fighter just say no without being under suspicion? It is his option, you know. It’s not required so he has the option to say yes or no.

Less than two years ago there were rumors that Mayweather failed his drug tests three times and that the results of those tests were swept under the rug. Now people are claiming that there’s no way that Floyd would do PEDs, but Porter does? Come on!!

Posted July 4, 2014 11:27 am 


Can’t wait! Ezekial by KO in 9!

Posted July 4, 2014 8:58 am 



It’s funny you talking about fighters of different generations as you mention below:

“Calzaghe became world champion in 1997, Froch did not even turn pro until 2002! ”

The same can be said of RJJ…

Calzaghe turned pro in 1993, by then RJJ had been Olympic SilverMedallist in 1988 and was a pro since 89 and was reigning IBF Middleweight Champion….
Joe kept calling RJJ out and by the time Joe got his shot at the vacant WBO SMW title with Eubank, RJJ was reigning Light Heavyweight Champion in 1997!!!!

Those were two guys similar in age, but passing ships if ever I saw one!

Posted July 4, 2014 8:30 am 



Your last post is indeed correct…. in the last 15 years, being a mandatory means nothing… in fact a lot of Joe’s mandatories no one ever heard of before or after he fought them!!!!!

A mandatory opponent these days is only as good as his promoter is POWERFUL.

The likes of Denis Hobson, Alex Morrison and co. have no chance vs the likes of certain London based promoters when it comes to influence and power.

Look at the Sauerlands, they make sure they get in the ear of the WBO president etc just like a certain London promoter did since the 90s.

They can get an unknown fast tracked or dumped from the ratings.

I’m sure it was the IBF who had a guy who had been dead for some time either as a mandatory or high up in their rankings!!!

It’s all a joke.

Yep, Joe was Irish Steve’s mandatory…. Yep, Carl was Joe’s mandatory….Nope, George was not Carl’s mandatory, but yep he was ordered into an immediate rematch and yep, James DeGale is now Carl’s mandatory….

Whether that fight happens next (as it’s been mandated to happen in less than 120 days) is anyone’s clue?

Maybe he’ll be paid step aside money….Maybe not….

Posted July 4, 2014 8:21 am 

boxing barlow

Being mumber one contender does not mean anything. I think the same rings true about Calzaghe with Froch as Collins did with Calzaghe. Now there is lots of questions put to Collins on whether he dodged Calzaghe. Collins has stated that he never dodged Joe. He just couldnt get up for the fight. His career was in a differemt place and he had moved on from fighting up and comiing fighters with big risk for little reward he wanted Jones Jnr. Now everyone questions him about Joe, but at the time no one knew Joe was going to go on and become a superstar. Had Joe have made a couple of defences then got beat and slipped into obscurity, like champs have in the past, Glenn Catly for expample, no one would be even mentioning to Collins now about dodging Joe. Now its a massive topic for discussion but the reality is they were fighters of different generations. Froch and Calzaghe are fighters of different generations. Calzaghe became world champion in 1997, Froch did not even turn pro until 2002! Calzaghe’s domestic rivals at the time were Robin Reid and Richie Woodall who he both fought. Eubanks was past his best in my opinion and I do not give Calzaghe huge credit for that fight as again I think they were from different generations and he never fought a peak Eubank.

Posted July 4, 2014 7:00 am 


Brook better fight tall, that’s all he needs to do. Porter is not that great he is wild and erratic. Can’t measure Porter by KOing Paulie. Brook should use a stiff jab and drop bombs on Porter then tie him up when close.

Posted July 4, 2014 6:04 am 


Apparently it’s like wildfire through the boxing community that Shawn Porter refused for random drugs testing for his fight with Kel Brook! I can’t remember which boxer was talking about it last night on Ringside, but it looks like there are whispers about Porter.

Posted July 4, 2014 6:00 am 



I have absolutely no problems with Joe not facing Carl. Joe was the champion and anyone who knew me from the Setanta days will remember I posted that I thought Joe would swarm all over B-Hop. I also wrote many times that I didn’t want the likes of Pavlik facing B-Hop as I consistently have written that I think boxers today rush to get a title/ title shot before many of them have even learned the fundamentals of the fight game.

I was a big fan of Pavlik for the excitement he brings but, I wrote his footwork was terrible and he got hit by far too many shots. Guys like that will be exposed by a decent boxer with savvy and a sound chin.

The reason why the likes of Groves got caned is because he rushed into a title shot without getting much seasoning. Yes, he’s had 20 odd fights, but in my eyes he’s not learned the game. He can chat, but he can’t fight when the going gets tough.

I rewatched the Kenny Anderson fight before his rematch with Carl and noted on here he cannot take pressure when a guy tucks up and walks him down with steady, educated pressure and that’s what Carl did, as round after round Groves’ output decreased.

He’s an on top fighter…. FROCH has the seasoning now he didn’t have back in 2007 and 2008.

Posted July 4, 2014 5:57 am 



There’s no problem getting behind your man, but please don’t try to fudge the facts. FROCH was the number one contender and Joe was still reigning world Super Middleweight Champion, when Carl challenged him… He had not as yet gone up to Light Heavy as you wrote in your last post.

FROCH stated once again before his first fight with Kessler in the midst of the Icelandic storm cloud
(boxing scene – source)

“Joe’s not going to get behind me because, let’s not forget, he vacated the title I have now rather than meet me. He’s probably not going to have a kind word to say about me and there’s probably a bit of envy there. He’s finished with his career and he’s just been booted out of Strictly Come Dancing for being as stiff as a poker.”

Posted July 4, 2014 5:39 am 

Josey Wales

TARK , ANY chance of a link to back up your claims ? I can’t recall a SINGLE occasion when Carl even hinted @ fighting Joe @ 175lbs ?????

Mick how’s my brother from the south coast doing , ?
Regards Josey Wales

Posted July 4, 2014 5:24 am 


Hopkins was just NEVER as good as Calzaghe.

People just need to accept that.

Any time. Anywhere. Calzaghe beats Hopkins, because he is simply a more effective fighter.

Hopkins achieved more in his career, and I salute him for that, but he is lesser than Calzaghe in ability.

That is why he lost.

Posted July 4, 2014 5:09 am 


TARK, so many British fans have told you now that there wasn`t an appetite for Froch Calzaghe, and this is hardcore fans – so if ANYONE in Britain wanted it we would.

It wasn`t there.

I fully agree that Froch-Calzaghe would have had FAR FAR FAR more value than Calzaghe-Manfredo, that isn`t at issue. But Froch was not at any kind of level that Calzaghe had to actively duck him at that point, he wasn`t on the radar.

This is BRITISH PEOPLE who lived in BRITAIN telling you what BRITISH PEOPLE who LIVED IN BRITAIN AT THAT TIME wanted.

Can you stop being so frankly rude and arrogant as to tell us what would or would not have been big at that time or what we were crying out for.

Posted July 4, 2014 5:06 am 


“He lost one spectacular fight out of 24, and his IQ sucks.”-Nope. He fought one spectacular opponent and thats all it TOOK to expose that his Boxing IQ needs MUCH work. When YOU have all of the FIREPOWER it doesn’t take TOO much thought. But when your opponent has FIREPOWER TOO then you’ve got to use some Boxing Brains and Gamboa LACKED that sorely. Thats why I TOLD him to have Floyd Sr. He didn’t listen and that why he has a knockout LOSS. The same reason that Dawson has 2 knockout LOSSES. A hard HEAD makes a SOFT ASS.

Posted July 4, 2014 3:06 am 


NO Boxing Barlow… Froch said he’d fight JC at ANY weight.

He was anxious to knock Joe’s ass OUT and ready to give any concessions.

The only piece of shlt he hated more than Calzaghe was George Groves.

Posted July 4, 2014 3:02 am 


“Boxtradamus, slowest lips in the west. “Duuuhhh Gamboa has no boxing IQ””-Nope. GREATEST Boxing FACTS on the Planet. Keeping your hands down is very LOW Boxing IQ. Victor Ortiz agrees with ME on that.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:59 am 


“Should of been illegal how Herron destroyed you, suprised he isn’t in prison”-LMFAO. It should have been illegal to have comprehension SKILLS as POOR as YOURS. LOL. Herron got SPANKED on his own show. And YOU thinking otherwise won’t change it. You should be JAILED for no understanding SKILLS.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:57 am 

boxing barlow

People are quick to forget as well that Froch was fighting at supermiddleweight while Calzaghe had spent two fights up at light middle at the time a Froch fight was becoming a possibility. Froch is saying over and over again that he will not move up to light heavy and has no interest in fighting Kovalev, Stevenson or Hopkins as he the supermiddle limit too easily. Calzaghe on the other hand had been moaning that he had been struggling to make supermiddle for a long time and the move to light heavy was needed. So ultimately you had two fighters at different weights anyway.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:54 am 


“herron ran your ass over”-CLOSE guess but NO cigar. Herron was getting RUN over and they hurried UP with the SISSYFIED stoppage. How I sounded to YOU does not trump the FACTS that I stated and could not be refuted. Go take you a LISTENING class.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:53 am 


Boxtradamus, slowest lips in the west. “Duuuhhh Gamboa has no boxing IQ”

He lost one spectacular fight out of 24, and his IQ sucks.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:29 am 

Another sad day for floyd dumb dumbs

Should of been illegal how Herron destroyed you, suprised he isn’t in prison

Posted July 4, 2014 2:24 am 


boxsterdermus, you sounded like you drank 3 bottles of cold medicine and hadn’t slept in 2 weeks. “duhhhhhh uhhhhh”

herron ran your ass over

Posted July 4, 2014 2:19 am 


“Herron schooled you boxtratoss”-NOPE. You’d better go take another listen. I verbally SPANKED Herron and scored the SISSYFIED stoppage. MY radio debating SKILLS are just as SUPERB as MY internet debating SKILLS. WOW!!

Posted July 4, 2014 2:12 am 


All I DO is pick MUCH WINNERS. Thats why I’m the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:08 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Josey: How’s it going mate? Best wishes MIX.

Posted July 4, 2014 2:07 am 

Another sad day for floyd dumb dumbs

Best esb KO ever

Posted July 4, 2014 2:06 am 

Another sad day for floyd dumb dumbs

Joseph Herron schooled you boxtratoss

Posted July 4, 2014 2:06 am 


Kell Brook to win by huge ko you heard it from Boxtra here first in a weird sort of reverse of reality way.

Posted July 4, 2014 1:59 am 


You can say that AGAIN Accubox. MY record in MY last 20 Fights picked is SUPERB. Not MY fault that most guys here are TOO thick in the SKULL to figure put Who’s WHO. MY record remains SUPREME. I am STILL the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted July 4, 2014 1:25 am 

Josey Wales

Lucky for Froch Calz never fought him or there would have been no super six for Froch it would have been back tomorrow nightto fighting Polish firemen or the Dale Westernans of the World ( no disrespect Dale if your reading) Froch has done well enough with the takent he has but should be kissing Calzaghes arse that Joe didn’t drop to his to level to kick his arse or he wouldn’t have made a nicker out of the sport .Regards Josey Wales

Posted July 4, 2014 12:46 am 

Wank Warren and Slappy Joe

Bhop couldnt ” dominate “Chad Dawson for froch’s sake …

Froch fought Groves , Calzaghe ducked Froch to fight RJJ . That would be like Froch ducking Groves to fight someone like the current version of say Arthur Abraham.

Froch has fought Ward , a prime , p4p genuine world championship fighter and in Wards home town to boot.

Calzaghe never fought a prime world championship level fighter anywhere. Robin Reid was euro level , Eubanks was overrated and way past his best ( Ray Close anyone ;) )

Kessler is no Ward and in my opinion Froch won BOTH Kessler fights.

Apart from beating Froch , Kessler has a pretty weak resume . Markus Beyer , Anthony Mundine etc

Nobody can name anyone Froch ducked , there is a long list that Joe managed to avoid .

Posted July 4, 2014 12:28 am 

Wank Warren and Slappy Joe

Zaggies career was a complete waste of time . Most over hyped , over protected bum in boxing history.

Posted July 4, 2014 12:20 am 

Josey Wales

Hello Goosey how’s tricks mate ? Regards Josey

Posted July 4, 2014 12:03 am 


We’ll said now go smoke your victory cigar!!

Posted July 3, 2014 11:34 pm 


3 golden rules of boxing. NEVER bet against Floyd. NEVER against WARD ann NEVER EVER against Boxtras preductions. FOLLOW them and you will be SUCCESSFUL like HIM. These are the safest BETS there are.

Posted July 3, 2014 10:16 pm 


Spadafora vs khan

Posted July 3, 2014 9:59 pm 


“thanks for the tip boxtra ill be sure to put a bet on Brook”-YOU must like LOSING money like a FOOL then. Be MY guest.

Posted July 3, 2014 8:48 pm 


& woods was ranked higher then

Posted July 3, 2014 8:15 pm 


Actually if I remember correctly wasn’t too much talk of Calz v froch fight at that time because Clinton woods was trying to be the next Brit. to get fight .

Posted July 3, 2014 8:07 pm 


like khan kelly brook has no chin. end of.

Posted July 3, 2014 8:01 pm 


Hello Josey Wales, long time no see… :)

Posted July 3, 2014 7:48 pm 

Josey Wales

Lol @ Tark still spinning the crap on here Froch was fighting part time Polish firemen when Calzaghe was top of the pops , Barlow & The ” old man ” Goosey got da beat , Regards Josey Wales .

Posted July 3, 2014 7:24 pm 


I better stop talking now, otherwise TARK will start telling us all how much great fighters fro the past suck…

Posted July 3, 2014 7:05 pm 


thanks for the tip boxtra ill be sure to put a bet on Brook

Posted July 3, 2014 7:03 pm 


This is MY first post since the 1st of July SO any posts between NOW and THEN were made by MY disciples. Porter will be too MUCH for Brook. Porter by BOSS HOG decision.

Posted July 3, 2014 7:01 pm 


For me Calz’s legacy was sealed by him outfoxing and outboxing BHOP.

The fact BHOP has gone on to dominate years after that fight says it all.

Doesn’t matter what anyone says about Calz’s CV – the BHOP fight said it all.

Posted July 3, 2014 6:55 pm 


boxing Barlow…. remember when everyone and his Pet Dog had Jeff “mini mike tyson ” Lacy beating Calzaghe?

Then after the event Lacy was a bum, that Brits hyped up Lol..

Posted July 3, 2014 6:48 pm 

boxing Barlow

I remember seeing a interview with Calzaghe at the time when everyone was calling for the fight with Pavlik. And he said that he didnt rate Pavlik and he would get exposed soon. He also said that after the Lacey fight he realised that when you exposed a guys weeknesses instead of getting the credit they try and take away from your victory by saying that he was no good in the first place. At that stage of his career he said he had earned the right to go for the big names and he was right. Had he had side stepped Hopkins and Jones and fought Pavlik and Dawson and beat then he would have earned no where near the money and the reality is those victorys wouldnt look any better than the ones over Hopkins and Jones anyhow.

Posted July 3, 2014 6:40 pm 

boxing Barlow

And as Ive said before. And I have a good memory. All the Calzaghe haters on here were crying out for Calzaghe to fight Pavlik after the Kessler fight until Hopkins beat Pavlik. Then they were all about him avioding Dawson. I can recall no one one here calling for a Froch fight. Even when Froch beat Pascal the general consensus was that Pascal was a nobody fighter too, and Pascal only made his name after that fight. When Calzaghe retired in 2008 it was all about Dawson.

Posted July 3, 2014 6:35 pm 


JE..”Goosey — Yet Calzaghe never fought Taylor.”

Because Pavlik beat the crap out of Taylor. Then Calzaghe was supposed to be scared of Pavlik, so he fought “past it” Hopkins instead, then after losing to Calzaghe, “past it” Hopkins boxed Pavliks head off..

And what do you think would have happened if Calzaghe had fought Taylor? Was Taylor going to KTFO of Calzaghe? Lol…

Posted July 3, 2014 6:28 pm 

boxing Barlow

Calzaghe would have done a proper number on Froch IMO. Froch is a good fighter but Calzaghe was in a different league. I have followed both froch and Calzaghes careers very closesly. I cant ever really remember ever seeing Calzaghe in any real trouble. At no point did I ever think he was actually going to loose a fight. Even after both B Hop and Jones put him down in the first round, they were both flash knock downs and you never really got the impression that they were going to go on and knock him out. Where as when watching Froch I thought he was done and dusted against Taylor before pulling that amazing win out of the bag. He looked awful against Dirrell and would have been beat were it not for Dirrells completed lack of offence. The first Kessler fight was a good measure of Froch as well for me. I actually think Kessler was on the slide even in that first fight with Froch but he met Froch in the centre of the ring, took his best punches and backed him up. I always thought the way to fight Forch was to outbox him but that night Kessler beat him in a full on brawl. Then you’ve got the Ward fight where he was just completely outclassed. So on one hand you have a guy who won ever major belt in the division. Retired unbeaten. Moved up and beat the linear light heavy champ (a guy who is still a unified champ in the weight class). Held a version fo the title for over ten years. A guy who people only realy argument against him is that they cant decide how good he really was as he never fought the two outstanding boxers of his era (jones and Hopkins) when they were at their absolute peak. And you comparing him to a guy who lost against a guy Calzaghe outclassed (kessler), has been beat twice, and a guy who has had to pull victory from the jaws of defeat on a few occasions as his boxing skills were not up to the task at hand. So personally I would have expected Calzaghe to have doen the same kind of job on Froch that Taylor did for ten rounds, that Groves did for 8, but Calzaghe had a better chin that Groves and Lacey. He had far better conditioning (Im sure Calzaghe has the most punches per round/fight stats on compubox). There was no way Froch would have got to Calzaghe in those final rounds like he did against Taylor and Groves.

Posted July 3, 2014 6:27 pm 


Tark when will we ever see a post of yours worth reading again? The crap just dribbles from your fingertips these days. It makes me sad.

Calzaghe = the GOAT SMW. Rated such by afficionados and pundits the world over.

As if the Ring Mag LHW and unified SMW would ever give the nobody Froch a fight. Why the hell would Calzaghe give Froch a shot just because Froch was crying every 2 mins?

Posted July 3, 2014 6:22 pm 


Fight Aficionado. Cheers, I just drop by from time to time….

Posted July 3, 2014 6:09 pm 


Anonymous.. How interested was Robin Reid in fighting Calzaghe when Reid was the WBC champion? I guess not very, seeing as he decided not to fight him… He only got interested in a Calzaghe fight after losing his WBC title… I guess Calzaghe is also to blame for Reid spending almost a year and a half out of the ring with injury problems after they fought, I guess Calzaghe is also to blame for Reid losing his next fight against Silvio Branco when he got back in the ring eh? How many years exactly was it after the Calzaghe fight before Reid beat a meaning full opponent? Yet you fail to mention any of that..

Posted July 3, 2014 6:04 pm 


I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay.
I sleep all night and I TARK all day.

Posted July 3, 2014 6:03 pm 


Only person who got “dropped” when Joe C faced Nard was Joe C, Hops taking a blow at 43 was classic Hops working every angle in the book… Calzaghe outworked Nard to get the win, but he never came close to having Bhop in trouble or on the deck.. Joe couldn’t put down a beyond shot Roy Jones Jr no way he was gonna do it to the Executioner flailing at his sides and shaking his booty.. Get a grip Fight Aficianado the all out domination you whack your paltry meat to never happened..Turbo of course Lewis retired happy, he looked terrible against the second best HW of te subsequent era and STILL filled his face with stitches and defeated him in 6 rounds… Vitali was at his prime physically and let Old Lewis do him in..

Posted July 3, 2014 5:46 pm 

Just so you know

Calzaghe fought at the Millenium Stadium without fighting Froch so he didn’t really need Froch for a big fight did he? As for worn out fighters Calzaghe beat Kessler clearly while Kessler was in his prime whereas Froch got beat by a past his prime Kessler. And it’s not true to say everyone wanted to see Calzaghe fight Froch, if Froch was so popular with the public why was his first defense of the WBC against Taylor not even shown on tv in the UK?

Posted July 3, 2014 5:41 pm 

Just so YOU know

Calzaghe wanted to fight old, worn out opponents… But EVERYBODY in England knew who Carl Froch was, and that he consistently called Calzagh out… They were all hoping the fight would happen.. Carl would have knocked Cazaghe cold like he did George Groves — and that’s why the fight was never made..

When a young Brit challenged Froch… He took him up on it… Guts!!!

But Froch-Calzaghe would have been an even BIGGER blockbuster.

Posted July 3, 2014 5:35 pm 

Just so you know

Nobody in Britain was calling for Calzaghe to fight Froch but Froch. Froch wasn’t a name until long after Calzaghe retired. The Manfredo fight was a time filler between the massive unification with Kessler and the Hopkins fight. Calzaghe was 36 and had decided to tick the Vegas and Madison Square Garden boxes before he retired which certainly wasn’t going to happen fighting Froch. Hopkins has schooled numerous boxers since Calzaghe retired so that in itself proves he was far from finished at the time Calzaghe defeated him.

Posted July 3, 2014 5:02 pm 


Also Brook wins this one by UD.

Posted July 3, 2014 4:57 pm 


@TARK : No one in Britain cared about Froch when Calzaghe was active, and no one wanted to see that fight. Froch hadn’t yet beaten anyone of note and was viewed as a mouthy domestic level upstart.

Posted July 3, 2014 4:54 pm 


Anonymous, we’ll see. Julie Diaz took the so called beast Porter the distance twice but you think Brook can’t last 6? Your the one with no clue.

Posted July 3, 2014 4:41 pm 



Rubbish, you haven’t got a clue. Porter will beat the crap out of Brook. Fight over by the 6th round.

Posted July 3, 2014 4:28 pm 


@Goosey…, Calzaghe had YEARS worth of chances to fight Carl Froch… Froch persistently called Calzaghe out for years… Everybody in Brittan wanted to see the fight but Calzaghe. Froch is the only

Goosey…, “HBO INSISTED Calzaghe fought Manfredo to set up a Calzaghe Taylor fight”

LMFAO!!!! Peter Manfredo wasn’t the only tomato can Calzaghe fought instead of Carl Froch… And Froch is the guy who destroyed Taylor — not Calzaghe.

Posted July 3, 2014 4:24 pm 

turbo hamster on tequila

If Lewis can terror happy after beating co the way he did. Calzaghe can retire happy after pasting Hopkins for 9 of 12 rounds.

Calzaghe was just always superior to Hopkins. This is why Hop stayed in his cage at mw so long then ducked sms entirely.

Posted July 3, 2014 3:48 pm 


Brook will surprise Porter with his speed and how hard he actually hits, if he sticks to his boxing Brook can win on points or even break Porter down for a late stoppage but if it becomes a brawl it becomes Porter’s fight. This isn’t like Rose going over to get owned by Andrade this is a proper fight.

Posted July 3, 2014 3:21 pm 

Tinker bell

Too many deviants here to not get the odd deviation.

Posted July 3, 2014 3:01 pm 


Whats your favorite color Mick the Marmalizer?

Posted July 3, 2014 2:55 pm 

Fight Aficionado

No surprise SREDMOND aka Supreme Court is here dogging Calzaghe. If Bhop wasn’t about to get dropped why’d he feign a low blow from a legit a body shot? Because it’s the only way he could prevent a knockdown. The blind ref fell for it and so did you. Fact is we’ve covered those bases repeatedly over the years and this thread is about Brook and Porter. Stop dragging the thread down.

Posted July 3, 2014 2:41 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Goosey, good to see you at ESB. It’s been awhile bro. What’s up?

Posted July 3, 2014 2:37 pm 

Mick the Marmalizer

WTF go’s on here?: This is a Porter/Brook topic & comment’s fly about regarding Calzaghe, Froch, Reid, Lacy, Manfredo + every other boxer not involved. Please could we stick to the subject in hand & not deviate!

Posted July 3, 2014 2:35 pm 


I need to proof read my postings, I meant Porters aggressive style will take him a ways in the welter weight division. with Brooks I meant the level of his competition.

Posted July 3, 2014 2:29 pm 


Porter is good but not great his aggressive style will take a ways in the ring. For Brook I’ve watched a few of his fights on the internet, and I find his talent hard to judge because of his leave of opposition and it seems he fights down at his oppositions level at time. I can’t clearly pick a winner here but if I were force I would pick Porter because of his last two fights. He seems to have taken to that aggressive style more and made it his own.

Posted July 3, 2014 2:26 pm 


Porter will win by early KO. Brook isn’t even the best in the UK. Khan would KO Brook easily as well. And Frankie Gavin is better than Brook.

Posted July 3, 2014 2:17 pm 

Boxing 101

Brook will win by decision or late stoppage.Brook has pretty good power and footwork and should be enough to keep Porter at bay.Stick and move is the formula to beat Porter I also think Porter will be too aggressive and will fail against brook.

Posted July 3, 2014 2:16 pm 


I don’t think Porter is all that,he looked jaded when he fought a ten year older Diaz and show boated when he should have been doing business…

Posted July 3, 2014 1:45 pm 


look at this ridiculous comment considering Mayweather started the RBT in boxing.


FA you are right – this should be Porter v Brook.

And that is very disturbing that Porter refused drug testing, though not unexpected from an American.

Posted July 3, 2014 1:37 pm 


brook has fought no one.the guy is another hype job.

Posted July 3, 2014 1:32 pm 

the bible

porter by ko

Posted July 3, 2014 12:41 pm 


Robin Reid is still asking for his rematch with Joe. But, Joe ducked so low he got a bad back in time to duck a peak Glen Johnson also. Twice.

Posted July 3, 2014 11:53 am 


Fair point, but I really think that Joe was pulled into a contest that turned into a very dreary affair and was somewhat embarrassed, he didn’t want to be involved again. He got the decision time to move on.

Posted July 3, 2014 11:03 am 


HTF did a Porter/Brook thread turn into a Calzaghe/Hopkins thread? Get with the program folks!

Posted July 3, 2014 10:54 am 


JE – Cosign on that. Calzaghe is undefeated but that just goes to show you what happens when your career is guided with soft touch fights. Anyone can go undefeated if they don’t take on the best of the best in the division.
I never viewed JC as a world beater either. Right opponent at the right time of their career… Please, Peter Manfredo wasn’t even a 2nd tier fighter… 3rd tier maybe, and that fight was stopped prematurely, if I remember correctly.

Porter by stoppage… this fight won’t go the distance, and once Kell Brook loses, Khan will be made to look like a genius. But who cares… Khan won’t man up and take on Porter….

Posted July 3, 2014 10:22 am 


Pinhead, my commentary was a response to the NONSENSE assertion that Hopkins was about to get stopped by Calzaghe… That simply is stark defiance of reality.. I though Joe C won but he was not looking anything like a World Beater in there and he certainly did not want to do it again even with the money on the table…

Posted July 3, 2014 9:58 am 


Sredmond, there is a common misconception with regards Cazlaghe and his “slapping” style….many fighters though this until they have been in with him, and realized very quickly that they were in fact being punched and hard and often, and outworked, and out moved. Joe was a fabulous boxer, there are arguments that he ducked this person and that…but then that’s the same with most. Joe KOed fighters when they wanted to brawl with him……no-one brawled better than Joe….he avoided it but if it was the only option this could throw leather and quick like no other.

Posted July 3, 2014 9:31 am 


Goosey — Yet Calzaghe never fought Taylor. Manfredo was just another in a long line of second or third tier challengers Calzaghe faced. He did close his career big with wins over Kessler, a shot version of RJJ, Hopkins and Lacy, but almost all before that didn’t measure up to “world” title status. In the end Calzaghe’s legacy is mixed despite a 46-0 record.

Posted July 3, 2014 9:31 am 


I’m hoping Brook but feel Porter takes this inside the distance.

Posted July 3, 2014 8:54 am 


“On 27 November 2006, it was announced that Calzaghe had signed a contract to defend his WBO Super Middleweight title against former star of The Contender Peter Manfredo Jr. of the United States on 7 April 2007, at Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales to be shown on HBO. Because HBO did not want to cover a fight with the non-American mandatory IBF challenger Robert Stieglitz of Germany, and with the opportunity to fight World Middleweight champion Jermaine Taylor in the summer if he won against Manfredo, Calzaghe chose to fight Manfredo and as a result had to relinquish the IBF Super Middleweight Championship.”

Posted July 3, 2014 8:51 am 


TARK….. “Instead of fighting Carl Froch, JC fought tomato can Peter Manfredo for about one fifth the money.”

Still talking crap eh TARK…. HBO INSISTED Calzaghe fought Manfredo to set up a Calzaghe Taylor fight, they refused to screen his mandatory fight with Stieglitz.. So Calzaghe had no choice but to drop the IBF belt and fight Manfredo.. Had he not fought Manfredo he would have had to fight Stieglitz without HBO covarage, not Froch…. How many people need to keep telling you this TARK???

Posted July 3, 2014 8:50 am 

Boxing Barlow

With regards to Porter Brook. I think Brook will get found out on this one. He is a bit one dimentional. I think Porter will get on the inside and outwork him. A bit of a similar kind of fight to Brook’s with Carson Jones, but Porter will do enough to take a points win. It will be a close fight. But Porter will just have a bit too much for Brook, his conditioning will be a bit better, he will have the home advantage and he’ll just getto Brook a bit more easily that Brook get sto him. And I dont think Brook will have a plan B. Will be a good fight!

Posted July 3, 2014 8:49 am 

Boxing Barlow

LOL at all the talk about Hopkins and Calzaghe. Hopkins ran and hid, spoiled, grabbed hold, pretended injury, basically did all the things a cleaver old fox would do when in with a younger more skillful fighter. Hopkins spent all of his energy trying to avoid shots and spoil in an attempt to make the fight look closer than it was. Calzaghe on the other hand had come to fight. Any fighter who comes to fight like he did leaves themselves open a little and Calzaghe did get tagged occasionally. But no fighter should ever be able to win a fight by being as negative as Hopkins was that night. Calzaghe was a clear winner in my book. And to those who are crying about Calzaghe dodging Froch, I’ve been on these boards for years and I can remember all the Calzaghe haters calling Calzaghe for dodging fights. But it was never Carl Froch’s name being mentioned. It was Pavlik (until Hopkins beat him), then it was Dawson. No one was mentioning Froch full stop. All this talk is retrospective. No one knew the fighter Froch was going to become or even the fighter he was at the time. And that’s why there was no massive media or fan push for the fight. After the Hopkins fight everyone wanted to see Calzaghe fight Pavlik.

Posted July 3, 2014 8:44 am 


Brook by KO. He has the SKILL set necessary to pull this off.

Posted July 3, 2014 8:33 am 


Porter has a difficult style to figure out, and he is very rough on the inside. He has also, lately, developed a punch. I think it will take a puncher to beat him, and, fortunately, Brook is a hard hitter and, therefore, has a chance. Still, I think Porter wins this with a late stoppage. In any case, this is a great fight.

Posted July 3, 2014 7:32 am 


If you think that Calzaghe “almost KOed Hopkins” you are not just delusional, you are straight up stupid… Calzaghe was slapping his way to an unimpressive points win, Nard was never hurt, Jean Pascal had him in FAR worse trouble than Joe C who like his carnival barker Daddy told him was “raggedy”

Posted July 3, 2014 6:28 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

All credit to Brook for winning a Lonsdale belt out-right, but why couldn’t his management get Commonwealth & EBU title fights? As I said before he should have fought abroad more.

Posted July 3, 2014 6:21 am 


Brook has the ability to win but has not fought enough at the top level at this stage of his career for me to feel confident about his chances in this fight.
So going with Porter by UD or late stoppage.

If, however Brook does pull it off, it will be a massive win for him.

Posted July 3, 2014 5:58 am 


I think Porter nicks it on points but we find out that brook belongs at world level. Really good match up

Posted July 3, 2014 5:43 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Brook deserved a bit more respect then he’s getting here. I think he should of had more fights outside of the UK, but could pull off a win here if he use’s his brain & doesn’t get caught on the chin.

Posted July 3, 2014 5:10 am 

turbo hamster on tequila

9-3. That is a whopping. And it was EASY.

Hopkins has never had the talent to beat a Joe calzaghe.

Posted July 3, 2014 4:07 am 


Good fight

Posted July 3, 2014 3:43 am 

Big Ham

I have not seen Brook yet. I am a believer in Porter though.

Posted July 3, 2014 3:31 am 


Oh fabulous… Calzaghe beat a 43-year-old man by SD, but refused to fight an undefeated young Carl Froch in a BLOCKBUSTER UK domestic money fight.. BTW, a SD is not an ass whooping.

A 36-year-old Carl Froch had no problem facing young George Groves.. Froch had more stature than Groves when he tried to get a domestic fight with Joe Calzaghe.

Instead of fighting Carl Froch, JC fought tomato can Peter Manfredo for about one fifth the money.

After JC outpointed a washed up and much knocked out Roy Jones, he refused to fight an undefeated Chad Dawson, but Calzaghe had no problem picking on old men.

Calzaghe fought more cans than anyone else.

Posted July 3, 2014 2:06 am 


Lets just come out and say it.

Porter is a roider.

Posted July 3, 2014 1:01 am 


9 rounds to 3 is a WHOOOPING.

Hopkins got whooped by Calzaghe

Posted July 3, 2014 12:31 am 


Fight Aficionado just watched the knockdown and it don’t get no more legit than that. No push down.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:25 am 


FA you are right – this should be Porter v Brook.

And that is very disturbing that Porter refused drug testing, though not unexpected from an American.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:24 am 

Fight Aficionado

“Im not taking the piss but I think porter’s got a lot of jeff Lacey about him.” – Good comparison despite the connotations Lacy gives us now of a burnout. Lacy had a lot of hype for his KOs until he faced a slick boxer in Joe C. Porter doesn’t have his hype yet but if he beats Brook impressively not only will the hype come, he’ll also have proven he can manhandle the slicksters. That’s something Lacy never did. Great stylistic match up here with high stakes.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:23 am 


Lederman had it 116-111, same as one of the judges.

9 rounds to 3.

That was about right.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:21 am 

Fight Aficionado

So because this is a Yank vs a Brit we’ve got the Bhop vs Calzaghe talk going on rather than Brook and Porter, two very talented current day fighters. Great. For the record and on the actual topic of this thread, Porter declined Brook’s request for random out of comp testing.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:17 am 


Round 11 Hopkins stopped fighting – claiming a low blow after a bodyshot.

Should have been counted as knockdown.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:16 am 

Fight Aficionado

PEEJ you’re deranged if you think Calzaghe got the worse of it. Bhop scored an early KD and from there on got his ass owned and nearly KOed. That’s why he faked a low blow to get a rest and avoid getting put to sleep.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:15 am 


Whatever. It was a competitive fight with Calzaghe get the worse of the beating. Yes he out worked Hopkins, I am not debating that. But there still could of been a rematch. And Calzaghe was closer to his prime than Hopkins was.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:12 am 


Calzaghe was not in his prime either.
Plus he fought away from home.

Plus he came back from what was a wrongly called knock down. Calzaghe did not go down from the punch, he went down from the forearm push and Hopkins walking onto him AFTER the punch.

Even with Hopkins not being deducted points as he should have been for clinching, headbutting, faking injury, Calzaghe still dominated him

I gave Hopkins 2 rounds at best. The rest he got outpunched and schooled. He got clowned, Calzaghe doing his little grind behind him as Hopkins flapped about on the canvas.

Hopkins got POWNED.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:06 am 


Your just a little BTICH racist. I never said he didn’t win. Unfortunately Calzaghe never wanted to come to America and challenge the top dogs at the time. Hopkins and Jones were both out of their primes. If they had been in their primes both would of probably stopped Calzaghe. Considering that both knocked him down in the first round with weak punches. And nope doesn’t hurt at all. I don’t see color like your racist a$$. I am not disputing Calzaghes win. But you are still a BTICH and if you look into that crystal ball of yours you will see that you will remain a BTICH till you die. Unfortunate for you bro.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:02 am 


How was Calzaghe going to fight Hopkins in his prime – cut off an arm. Hopkins refused to leave his little MW bed, and eventually we all saw why, Calzaghe gaave him a lesson.

Posted July 3, 2014 12:01 am 


No Calzaghe did not own Hopkins. It was a close fight. Only one score had it a wide margin. Calzaghe got beat up but he out worked Hopkins. Yeah there could of been a rematch. Hopkins wanted one but Calzaghe didn’t. Unfortunately Calzaghe didn’t fight him or Roy in their primes.

Posted July 2, 2014 10:57 pm 


Calzaghe actually took Hopkins soul entirely.

Hopkins resorted to cheating to avoid getting KO’ed and just gave up trying to win and just survived.

When someone does that to you it takes a long time to recover.

Calzaghe still has Hopkins soul – he keeps it in a jamjar, and rattles it around now and then just to watch it slide down the side leaving a greasy stain like the turd it is.

Posted July 2, 2014 10:43 pm 



Brooks wins quick, like Benn v Barkley.
Posted July 2, 2014 8:02 pm

More like shades of Pryor Arguello II …………

Posted July 2, 2014 10:24 pm 


Calzaghe won fair and square away, Hopkins was a joke in that fight also, blatant bare faced cheating, I was ashamed of Hopkins in that fight, every boxing fan should be as well..

Posted July 2, 2014 10:16 pm 


Calz. Took most the damage??? Wtf Hopkins feigning injury and walking to the wrong corner twice…absurd

Posted July 2, 2014 10:04 pm 


Why would Calzaghe need to give racist Hopkins a rematch?

He owned him.

Not his fault Hopkins didn`t move to SMW all that time he was defending the MW title vs bums

Posted July 2, 2014 9:56 pm 

Kings Boxing Gym

Porter fights like a dumb animal, because that is what he is.

Posted July 2, 2014 9:54 pm 


To bad he never fought Hopkins in his prime or granted a rematch. He definitely won the fight but he took most the damage

Posted July 2, 2014 9:51 pm 

Another sad day for floyd dumb dumbs

Porter wins this by wide margin. Brook is untested. Brits hide over there rather than take big hard fights, hope porter stops him then another hype job is exposed

Posted July 2, 2014 9:31 pm 


If brook is the real deal he should win.

Posted July 2, 2014 9:13 pm 


Taking Porter by stoppage or decision. There is a reason why Brooks has turned down title fights. If Porter is the real thing he should win this fight.

Posted July 2, 2014 9:04 pm 

Rob WG

Sometimes a fighter gets a match up that announces them on the world stage. Brook is not the fav in my opinion but he will win, not sure how or when, but he will win.
On the other hand he may lose.

Posted July 2, 2014 8:32 pm 

New Champ

Porter lost against Diaz, beat Paulie M, so what, big deal, Brook shows him how it’s done, Brook easy .

Posted July 2, 2014 8:29 pm 


Porter will dominate Brook with strength. Brook is an athlete and not a fighter. Brook will submit early and wilt to the constant power pressure applied by Porter. This only goes the distance if Brook gets his running shoes on and/or clinches for survival.

Posted July 2, 2014 8:23 pm 


eric….they`ve changed TARKs drugs. He’s on Premarin now, and it is working wonders for him.

Posted July 2, 2014 8:08 pm 


Brooks wins quick, like Benn v Barkley.

Posted July 2, 2014 8:02 pm 


Porter will Ko brook by round 6

Posted July 2, 2014 7:52 pm 

Kid Flash

A great match up of styles .Will Porters controlled aggression force and early end to this fight . Or will Brook be able to control the distance timing and walk Shawn into the deep waters ? I feel Kels body will be the early target of Shawn , with the intention of taking away , Kels movement and defense .

Posted July 2, 2014 7:48 pm 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Alexander and Brook both pulled out against each other, both with genuine injuries (if you’ve signed the contract and can’t prove that the injury is genuine you tend to get sued / sanctioned). There was no ducking involved, just sports injuries.

As Porter and Brook’s CVs don’t have a handful of quality fighters between them, it’s hard to know for sure which way it will go. Brook always had potential but he’s been marking time for a few years now. I have a feeling that Porter’s recent step up in class (albeit against fighters on the slide) will give him the edge. Brook’s version of the old Ingles style may be awkward for Porter to get through though – they’re both facing styles they’re unaccustomed to.

Posted July 2, 2014 7:13 pm 

Brit Boxing.

This is the fight that will make Brook a star, Brook will out class Shawn Porter, too strong and too good, Kell Brook by comfortable points win.

Posted July 2, 2014 6:37 pm 


TARKS so pumped recently! Like a bullock! Whats up buddy? LOL

Posted July 2, 2014 6:36 pm 


I’ve watched a lot of Shawn Porter, and this kid can fight. His conditioning along with his body punching and pressure is outstanding. This is Shawn’s time right now, and his confidence is at an all time high. He a champion. Honestly, I haven’t paid much attention to Kell Brooks. I’ve seen a few rounds here and there, but nothing really stands out to me. He’s a good boxer with stiff punches, but he’s never been in the ring with a guy like Porter. Brook likes to keep his opponents at bay with the jab and he seems to dictate the pace in his fights. That will not happen here. Porter will start from round one and apply pressure for 12 rounds. Unless Brook has something special that I haven’t seen, Porter will win this one going away maybe even a late stoppage. Porter worked hard to be a champion, and he will not get beaten for awhile.

Posted July 2, 2014 6:15 pm 

It’s worse than that he’s dead gym

Early finish. Brook will flatten porter

Posted July 2, 2014 6:07 pm 


Pissing and moaning about Brook “ducking” Alexander is a waste of time. Brook will soon be facing the guy that took Alexander’s title from him. Isn’t that better? Wouldn’t that indicate that Brook has taken a fight with an even tougher and better opponent than Alexander?

Posted July 2, 2014 5:49 pm 

king of smack

Porter is going to get countered into oblivion. He is dumb.

Posted July 2, 2014 5:23 pm 


This is going to be a tough, hard, 12 round contest.. It will be gripping.

It may come down to who the judges’ like in close rounds. Porter’s hooks on the inside game may be the difference.. Shawn is working a lot on physical strength, using his jab to set up his attack, and getting leverage and punching room inside for hooks and uppercuts inside. The Malignaggi fight was the culmination of years of work to win stronger control of his fights.

The first Diaz fight was a robbery.

Porter landed 20% more punches, and landed harder punches. The rematch was important because he landed 55% more punches. That’s the kind of separation he needs to get clear decision wins. It’s a matter of doing more focused and extra intense work for 36 minutes.

Brook is taller. His range is much better. He gets goo range on his jab. His straight right may be the best at 147. His rematch with Carson Jones was important. He was a lot better. He’s 32-0 with a mature game. This opportunity comes at a good time.

I pray we have honest and competent judges working—because this will be close.

We need a better system for moving judges up or down a pyramid of tiers—according to their performances. The best judges should work World Championship Fights. The worst judges should work 4-rounders. Mediocre judges should work 6 and 8 rounders. It seems like we have a reverse system with the worst judges working the top fights.

Posted July 2, 2014 5:01 pm 

John C

I think Porter gets kept at bay with the jab, and timed with straight rights and right uppercuts as he lunges in for big shots. I think Brook stops Porter on his feet before the end of the 6th

Posted July 2, 2014 4:59 pm 


Porter by UD he is on a mission…

Posted July 2, 2014 4:55 pm 


Should be an interesting fight for as long as it lasts…. Porter by stoppage… won’t go the distance….

Posted July 2, 2014 4:55 pm 


He beat Devon Alexander

Posted July 2, 2014 4:38 pm 


same applies to porter! two names on his CV stellar i dont think. lets watch and see.
my prediction, Brook by split verdict!

Posted July 2, 2014 4:31 pm 

Porter v Brook

Porter is getting to much praise for stopping Malignaggi, Brook is solid and will give Porter a tough fight, I take Brook on points,

Posted July 2, 2014 4:28 pm 

Porter v Brook

Porter is getting to much praise for stopping Malignaggi, Brook is solid and will give Porter a tough fight, I take Brook on points.

Posted July 2, 2014 4:28 pm 


Brook has fought virtually nobody.

Posted July 2, 2014 4:26 pm 

burst a buble

Gumboot. and you call me boring. RC xxxxWBAxxxxx

Posted July 2, 2014 4:23 pm 

St Vitus Dance

I think Porter brings too much pressure for the talented but largely untested Brook. Brooks nose is susceptible to damage and I think Porter targets that. One fight where a loss or two in a learning fight may have made Brook more seasoned than a TV friendly glossy 32-0. Brook does not like to fight at a pace other than his own, Porter will bring massive heat/pressure. I think Brook gets busted up and stopped in 8/9 rounds

Posted July 2, 2014 4:16 pm 


Shawn porter is going to take it to Kell brook right from the beginning. Pressure , pressure and more pressure. Look for Kell brook to move more than usual which will cause him to test his stamina. I’m seeing this as a 8 rd fight. It won’t go past the 8th.

Posted July 2, 2014 3:51 pm 


Porter’s got more power than he gets credit for. Porter by TKO within 7.

Posted July 2, 2014 3:45 pm 


The pressure is all on brook who is looking at a huge domestic match against khan and will have a fast start but will lose on points if he dosent stop porter early!!!

Posted July 2, 2014 3:19 pm 


Porter. And I will stand by that. I am the most honest fight prophet ever born.

Posted July 2, 2014 3:16 pm 


Yeah possibly, both got the stocky look. This is an intriguing one, looking forward to it.

Posted July 2, 2014 3:14 pm 

Jake r

Im not taking the piss but I think porter’s got a lot of jeff Lacey about him.

Posted July 2, 2014 3:04 pm 


keep remembering your Groves Froch predictions Anonymous!your such a f@king NOB

Posted July 2, 2014 2:54 pm 


brook did not even want to mix it with a hugger like Alexander. the guy”s a joke.

Posted July 2, 2014 2:54 pm 


If we compare Brook to a lot of other UK Fighters who made all the right noises albeit at the domestic level, then when they made the jump to world even Elite they were found out, the list is long, Kell Brook could be one who has something different, he is never in a rush and punches with good timing and decent power. He could box to a decisions here with a lot of discipline and coming through some danger moments, I think he can frustrate porter. The Malinaggi fight is still fresh in peoples minds, but this will be very different. I think he pulls it off.

Posted July 2, 2014 2:42 pm 


Khan would beat Brook, and Porter sure as hell will.

Posted July 2, 2014 2:26 pm 


porter will stop this hype job no problem.

Posted July 2, 2014 2:15 pm 


This won’t be a close bout. Porter has come up the hard way, beating a variety of skilled opponents. He’ll win by KO in the middle rounds. This will be yet another example of a fighter, in this case Brook, sporting a fat win-loss record, who comes up just short because he hasn’t been forced to deal with tough opposition. Some will disagree strongly, but we’re seeing more and more of this pattern. Brook has abundant talent, but the game is learned through meeting increasingly difficult opponents. He hasn’t done that despite being 32-0.

Posted July 2, 2014 1:56 pm 


Porter by MONSTROUS KO. Brook will be floored multiple times in this bout and his career could get really thrown off track.

Posted July 2, 2014 1:48 pm 

Dan D

I know he is untested but they call him Special for a reason. Brook to win a tough decision before locking up with Amir Khan.

Posted July 2, 2014 1:36 pm 

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