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Posted September 10, 2013 11:52 am 


ivan ivanoff. take a look at my favorite post!!!

Old Yank

TARK — If you or ANYONE were to serially read your posts on this thread they would conclude that you called yourself a liar at least three times. You flip-flop more than a freshly caught rock bass in the bottom of a hot aluminum boat!

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Posted September 10, 2013 11:42 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Good idea…

Posted September 10, 2013 11:15 am 


Tark, perhaps you need to start watching your ignorant mouth. You are rephrasing and making up stuff so you can argue with yourself. You don’t know anything about boxing outside of what you read on the Internet.

Posted September 10, 2013 2:52 am 


Mitchell got buzzed again by Banks in the rematch, he’s got a glass jaw.. I have him benefit of the doubt after the first Banks bout but now.. He’s a broken fighter in my book I mean getting clobbered 2x early in the bout?? Not a good look

Posted September 10, 2013 12:22 am 


BTW…, Another ridiculous thing Ivanov said was Norton never beat a good boxer.

Ali and Young were good boxers. Norton beat them.

Posted September 9, 2013 10:59 pm 


Boxtra.., You said the Mexican Walrus was going out by brutal KO several times without any refutation.. Then when you saw the whole world was going for Arreola to beat him you threw up a counter guess.

Posted September 9, 2013 10:57 pm 


tommy.., I don’t thing Mitchell is going to the HALL.. I just don’t think his career needs to be over.. If he changes trainers and acquires some skills he can get much better. Right now he has a ton of problems. That doesn’t mean they can’t be fixed … Will they be fixed? Probably not, but he could surprise us.

Posted September 9, 2013 10:54 pm 


ok tark,we dont see things exactly the same, thats ok. i would love to see mitchell come back and make it to canastota.we shall see.

Posted September 9, 2013 5:50 pm 


“Boxtradamus was wrong again… He was one of the few who picked Seth”-Yup. And that’s why using MY name is LESSER than having MY gift for picking the WINNER…….and that’s why I remain… the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!! SKILLS is more important than BRUTE Strength!!!!

Posted September 9, 2013 3:52 pm 


all the hw fom top on down all stink

Posted September 9, 2013 3:51 pm 


Huge setback but no reason for Mitchell to retire. I can tell you countess people who lost early in their careers and were written off but came back and improved. Not guaranteeing Seth will do so but to write his obituary is premature. Hell I remember after being Ko’d by Brewster & knocked down by Davarryl Williamson , Wlad was considered “Done” and “needs to retire”. Mitchell is chinny but 2 losses doesn’t mean end of career.

Posted September 9, 2013 3:09 pm 


Banks also KOed with a single punch Travis Walker, another late starter who is big and strong like Mitchell. Is it Walker who has no chin (he went 12 rounds with Pulev) or is it Banks who is a big puncher? It had to do with speed again, speed indeed is power under certain conditions. Conditions generally unbeknown to late startles.
Norton is not the subject of the article, he was mentioned because he started training at age of 20 and he had a flawed footwork and stance but he made up for it with strength and toughness. If you can’t make your own conclusions what would have happened if he had an equal technical start with real boxers, I won’t repeat and explain every word I said about him.

Posted September 9, 2013 12:38 pm 


Ivan says whenever Norton fought a real boxer he lost. C’Mon man, I’m trying to be polite but that is really silly. If Ali, Jimmy Young, and Henry Clark weren’t real boxers, I have no idea who was.

Posted September 9, 2013 11:16 am 


Ivanov, I’ve heard Sean O’Grady say speed=power. There is a tad of truth there, but it’s hardly an absolute. Banks is a solid fighter but he doesn’t have a big punch at HW. Any HW that Banks can KO doesn’t take a punch well. The fact that Mitchell decisioned Banks in the 2nd fight proves Mitchell knows how to fight. Mitchell would be top tier IF he didn’t have a glass jaw. We agree that Mitchell’s defense leaves a lot to be desired but Arreola or Vit certainly wouldn’t have gotten KOd by those punches.

Posted September 9, 2013 11:12 am 


caveman, what comparison are you talking about? Not knowing boxing is one thing, not knowing what you read is another. There is no comparison between any of the names mentioned except b/n Arreola and Mitchell. Late starter vs. a normal boxer. Caveman, you messed up. You make up false statements and argue about them. Arguing with yourself, you expose yourself as a clueless whiner.

Tony 1224, you made a lot of mistakes, in fact every statement you make is erroneous. Mitchell ate at least 10 clean heavy shots and he still wasn’t out – a glass jaw? He just doesn’t know how to defend himself and what to do under pressure. And he can’t hold on, he tried to grab but Arreola easily broke the clinch and unloaded. Banks is a cruiser weight but he is a real boxer with fast hands, his speed got to Mitchell. Speed, power, do you know if there is a difference? I simply don’t have time to deal with all the confusion here.

Posted September 9, 2013 10:58 am 


A lot of mistakes in this article. First of all, Arreola was hardly svelte. More importantly Mitchell does have a glass jaw. Mitchell can’t take a punch at all. He was knocked out by banks and badly staggered by banks in the second fight. Banks can’t punch! Offensively, Seth Mitchell is fantastic. But if you can’t take a HW shot all the combinations and conditioning won’t help you. Mitchell does know how to hold on, he just can’t take a shot.

Posted September 9, 2013 10:26 am 


Mitchell has endured 2 early stage KO
Losses in his last 3 bouts… His future is looking bleak, he hits hard enough to beat some guys but his confidence in his chin should be rightfully shattered..

Posted September 9, 2013 10:18 am 


Quit backtracking Ivan. Your article sucked and was extremely boring.

Posted September 9, 2013 8:00 am 


Caveman ko 1 over Ivan.

Posted September 9, 2013 7:58 am 


Tarrk, when did you see AAron Easterling shake up Norton? What channel was that fight on? Or were you there in person? LIAR. Norton did not have a shaky chin. I guess you never saw the 15th round against Holmes. He got hit with some bombs and never went down.

Posted September 9, 2013 7:56 am 


The facts are IVAN IS THAT INCLUDING Norton with the other 2 is a truly poor comparision. I will debate you any time about boxing. You will be eaten up. How I long for the day that REAL writers wrote on this site.

Posted September 9, 2013 7:52 am 


This article isn’t about Norton, Ali, Young or Grant. There was no comparison b/n any of the names mentioned, they were examples of late starters. People who were very athletic but had no boxing experience. The common thing about them is they started boxing late and never developed a good technique and automatic skills. They had different level of achievement but had a lot of flaws as boxers. Norton dragged his right foot as if he was shackled. They made up for their lack of boxing habits with strength, speed and robustness. they always lost to real boxer even if he was less athletic. That’s the idea, the rest in name throwing.

Caveman/Chris, you’ve made a lot of angry comments for s.o. who doesn’t care. I have no problem discussing boxing or even answering questions. You are out of your depth trying to be an expert or a critic. Don’t embarrass yourself with pretentious nonsense and by no means write about boxing.

Posted September 9, 2013 5:16 am 


What about Jimmy Young? A boxer is exactly what he was. Norton beat him by 15 round split decision. I can do this ALL DAY. Beat down all of your ABSURD arguments.

Posted September 9, 2013 1:43 am 


Let me get this straight. Muhammed Ali wasn’t a real boxer?

Posted September 9, 2013 1:33 am 


Caveman, throwing names around without any technical knowledge is a waste of time. Norton was an example of a late starter and he never had great technique, he never developed a second boxing nature and succeeded on physical qualities alone. Whenever he fought a real boxer he lost.
You are an example how people who try to be experts on boxing without having boxed never know the score. You and Chris Robinson are examples of pretentious ignorance and raving condescending unawareness. Tark is a pundit next to you. He at least makes sense sometimes.

Posted September 9, 2013 12:52 am 


Yes Kenny did have a problem chin.. I’ve seen other times when Norton was sent down by guys you never heard of like Aaron Eastling.. He was really rocky and in bad trouble, and only pulled it out because he was so much bigger and stronger.

Mitchell is big and strong.. So is Arreola.. He could throw him off like nothing.

Posted September 8, 2013 11:39 pm 


Boxtradamus was wrong again… He was one of the few who picked Seth

Posted September 8, 2013 11:15 pm 


First things first. Brilliant observation by Tommy. Ivan obviously has just started his journalistic career and is definitely a newcomer to the sport of boxing. How can you compare Michael Grant and Seth Mitchell to Ken Norton? The same Norton who deserved at least 2 of the decisions to an all-time great in Ali. The same Ken Norton who fought another all-time great, Larry Holmes and lost a 1 point split decision in a 15 round war for the ages. The same Ken Norton who is a HALL OF FAMER. How can you compare SetH Mitchell, who got iced by the legend Banks (sarcasm) to Norton? Grant who got desroyed by the immortal Dominic Guinn is in the same league as Norton? Give me a break. Ivan, do me a favor. Please turn in your writing credentials.

Posted September 8, 2013 11:02 pm 


TARK PUNDIT SAID It’s impossible for Arreola to make a statement in this fight.

Everyone expects him to KO Mitchell before they can grab a beer from the fridge and dig into the pizza.
The only guy who can make a statement in this fight is Seth.. if he scores an amazing upset by emerging victorious by any means.. Even is it’s another Banks job he shouldn’t care.. Win one way or another.

Posted September 8, 2013 10:51 pm 


This pundit says.., “Mitchell was frozen and his upper body rigid.”

Utter nonsense. Mitchell landed the first 3 punches in the fight. A quick 1-2 and a quick jab to the body. He wasn’t frozen or rigid on offense. He lacks defensive skills, infighting skills, and clinching skills. He hasn’t had the benefit of a trainer who can teach these skills.

This pundit says.., “If an athlete turns to boxing as an adolescent, he will cultivate boxing motor skills ingrained into his muscle memory. Call it condition reflexes, automatic skills, subconscious habits, boxing becomes a second nature to such people. There is a marked difference in their defensive and survival routines when compared to late starters.”

That is made-up nonsense.., Many boxers start young and are complete failures. Canelo has many brothers who all wanted to be boxers.

Ken Norton started very late. Norton was knocked cold by a green 188-pounder in an early fight. Norton went back to the drawing board and worked really hard—but always had a poor defense and vulnerable chin. Mitchell has a poor defense and vulnerable chin. You’re forced to work with God given talents. Few boxers have superman chins.

Mitchell can still succeed… It’s not impossible.

Wladimir Klitschko changed trainers after 43 professional fights. He was knocked out 3 times and it wasn’t fun. WK needed to make a coaching change at a very late stage and he DID … Hoping doesn’t get it done.

Posted September 8, 2013 9:04 pm 

flash knock down

I HATE TO BE THE ONE THAT SAID I TOLD YOU SO BUT HEY I TOLD YOU SO. First Chris you did it buddy I man I am so happy for you . Yes I am Chris’s biggest fan everyone knows this. Now all Chris has to do is stay in some type of shape run everyday and work the heavy bag until another fight is made. I know I have been hard on Seth it’s not his fault that he was feed to the lions. Al Haymon wanted his money back so he cashed out on Seth before someone killed him.This was a big fight for Arreola I said he could not lose to a football player and thank God he did not. I know I have been hard on Seth in

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Posted September 8, 2013 5:13 pm 

te tumbo

Tark favoring Canelo is what’s got me most worried about Canelo’s chances v. Mayweather(?!).

Posted September 8, 2013 5:07 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

Great article, Mr. Ivanov. Congratulations.

Posted September 8, 2013 4:47 pm 


Good point about Norton. I guess there are late starters and later starters but Norton was perhaps the best among them. If he had started on time and perfected the basics it could have been a different story for him. I used him as an example of athleticism and meant no disrespect by comparing him to Mitchell. He is by far in a different league and outdid too many “real” boxers.

Posted September 8, 2013 3:22 pm 


good article,but to compare late starter michell to ken norton is way off.he beat ali once and got screwed a second time.

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Posted September 8, 2013 2:04 pm 


Fair opinion Ivan, I think you’re on point about the reflexes Mitchell missed out on developing as a latecomer to the sport.

Posted September 8, 2013 12:48 pm 

Big Al

Well, mitchell was 31yrs old. if he can’t handle decent-level competition now, he never will. Haymon had to throw mitchell in the fire at some point. How else would he know if mitchell is worth investing more money and time? hopefully mitchells made some decent money so it won’t be a total loss.

Posted September 8, 2013 11:32 am 

flash knock down


Posted September 8, 2013 11:10 am 


Simply the best, no one said he didn’t try to grab and hold, he just doesn’t know how to do it especially after he is hurt. he grabbed and couldn’t hold. When someone is trying to explain to you what happened, don’t be a smart as.

Posted September 8, 2013 10:47 am 


Rubio, Mitchell took so many clean shots on the chin that he must have a good chin. If he didn’t he would have stayed down. He just doesn’t know how to defend himself especially after he gets hurt.

Posted September 8, 2013 10:44 am 

Prof Konje

Good article. Boxing is a sport where specific skill sets are required and it’s best to learn these skills earlier in life. If Mitchell hasn’t retired then he should consider it before he get really hurt. Arreola is a threat to anyone (except K bros) when he’s serious.

Posted September 8, 2013 9:50 am 


Wilder may be the last man standing ONLY because he doesn’t fight the other contenders like they do

Posted September 8, 2013 9:36 am 


The author is way off, Mitchell does not have “a solid chin”. If so, I guess Bruce seldon had a granite chin. The guy was stunned from the first shot that caught him. He’s got a glass chin and poor defense and should retire right away.

Posted September 8, 2013 9:16 am 


Like Jonn said, Mitchell looked scared getting into the ring. The guy is simply not a fighter, but I respect him for his efforts. I believe he has a college degree, he should focus on a career outside of boxing before he gets his brains scrambled.

Posted September 8, 2013 8:59 am 


Seth Mitchell’s game plan actually sort of worked: he rammed his head into Arreola’s fists as often as possible to break his fists. But somehow, that did not work.

Posted September 8, 2013 8:58 am 

Michael Katac

Seth has been mismanaged. His team did not develop him correctly and threw him into bigger fights without gradually upping the competition. AL Haymon had him fighting a champions schedule twice a year. When fighters used to come up they fought once a month. In 1989 tommy Morrison fought 19 times. When you are a late starter you need hard rounds and lots of them to get that development. Seth management made him some money but the did not develop him

Posted September 8, 2013 8:45 am 


Great article, much better than the imbecile nonsense Michael Collins writes.

Posted September 8, 2013 8:38 am 



It’s impossible for Arreola to make a statement in this fight.

Everyone expects him to KO Mitchell before they can grab a beer from the fridge and dig into the pizza.
The only guy who can make a statement in this fight is Seth.. if he scores an amazing upset by emerging victorious by any means.. Even is it’s another Banks job he shouldn’t care.. Win one way or another.
Posted September 6, 2013 7:10 pm

And TARK wrote … Mitchell should out-box Arreola with ease… It should be a one-sided affair.

Yeah TARK right, it WAS a one-sided affair!!! LMAO!!!

Posted September 8, 2013 8:32 am 

Jonn E JaGozza

I called it ! but I never thought Mitchell would run the way he did and never did I ever think he would turn his back to his man, VERY DANGEROUS.. Maybe he ‘ NOT retired but after that performance he should. Walking into the ring he looked scared,very scared. He’s big, powerful but in the wrong game. DANCING WITH THE STARS is for him then he can turn his head to his dancing partner .. peace

Posted September 8, 2013 8:28 am 


Wilder may be the last man standing because of who he fights.Wilder vs Arreola make it happen now!!!!!

Posted September 8, 2013 8:19 am 


Vitali Klitsckho hints at David Haye showdown…

Posted September 8, 2013 8:17 am 

boxing barlow

these prspects are falling like flies, Price, Mitchel, Fury will be by Haye at the end of the month, Wilder is going to be the last man standing!

Posted September 8, 2013 8:01 am 


Better Earlier than later. He should’ve have done it just after his first fight with Banks. Arreola did us all a big favour.

Posted September 8, 2013 7:47 am 


Is he retiring for real? Well goodluck to him then. I just saw Chris Bryd on YouTube saying his management shouldn’t have throw him in with someone like Arreola and that it looked like he was thrown to the wolves and that they are cashing out on him, so if the retirement thing is true then it Bryd is right about the cashing out thing.

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Posted September 8, 2013 7:15 am 

Exiled Yank

I’m glad Mitchell is retiring. He is going to get hurt and it will affect the rest of his life. He had a great run, he was ranked in the top five, but it’s time to find something else to do in life.

Posted September 8, 2013 6:56 am 

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