I thought Archie Moore said his toughest fight was against Hachetman Sheppard.Posted July 20, 2013 3:34 pm
….. “Blaming a guy for retiring after a long career instead of fighting on is not a valid argument,”
Marciano had only 6 title defenses.. Plus he was only a pro 8 years…about the shortest career of any Heavyweight Champion. He could have stayed around for one more against Patterson.. But both Rocky and Charlie Goldman knew Floyd was too fast and skilled for Rocky.Posted July 18, 2013 9:05 pm
@Fight Aficionado… Who did Marciano duck???
Two guys who weren’t suited to his style. After Nino Valdez beat Ezzard Charles he was rated the number one contender for a while—but Goldman nixed the fight. He thought Valdez was too big. When Bob Baker beat Valdez it was supposed to be a title elimination fight, the winner to fight Marciano. Again, Charlie Goldman nixed Baker. Al Weil explained, “They were both eliminated in that elimination fight.” It was a slow and tedious fight and they both stunk. That was the reason given to the media. In those days like now, you fought who you wanted to fight … and made excuses.
Cus D’Amato kept Floyd Patterson away from big Sonny Liston for years.
I can see Goldman’s point. When Joe Frazier was matched with Big George Foreman I knew instinctively Joe didn’t have the chance of a snowball in Hell. Frazier was a HUGE favorite because he beat Ali—but it’s a matter of styles. A short aggressive brawler gets killed by a much bigger, taller, stronger, harder puncher every time. He walks right into his wheelhouse and gets hit in the chops.Posted July 18, 2013 2:47 am
good point by FA. I do not like guys sticking around too long. Even though I would have like to seen Lewis give vitally a rematch.Posted July 17, 2013 8:48 pm
very good articlePosted July 17, 2013 8:21 pm
If he was carefully matched please tell us who he ducked. Patterson came along later, when he was already 49-0 with a lot of miles in him. Blaming a guy for retiring after a long career instead of fighting on is not a valid argument, especially in a sport where almost everyone sticks around too long.Posted July 17, 2013 4:58 pm
Marciano was the most carefully matched boxer in history… In no era after the 1950’s would he have been Heavyweight Champion and he really didn’t face any legitimate heavyweight challengers. They were all pretty much LHW’s.. Archie Moore was a very small LHW who started his career as a welterweight. He was more than 50 fights into his career when he fought Burley.
When you see the speed and precision that Floyd Patterson attacked Archie Moore with in stopping him in 5 rounds — and compare it to Marciano’s crude swinging effort to stop Archie in 9 — you get a good idea of why Marciano retired rather than face Patterson…
You have to remember that Floyd had never been stopped or hurt at that time and Moore, who floored Marciano, couldn’t drop Patterson.Posted July 17, 2013 4:29 pm
Burley was avioded by a few great fighters in his day,and had to work a day job I belive his whole career.Think of Mayweather having to work at UPS to make ends meet..lol.Posted July 17, 2013 2:57 pm
Some guys try to dismiss Marciano from the ATG list of heavyweights because it was a thin period of talent. But the same can be said of Louis. Both guys were great when the era of opponents available wasn’t robust. But you can only beat the dudes who exist during your time. That’s why I still have Louis #2 and Marciano #3 all time at heavy. Ali is #1 of course.Posted July 17, 2013 12:56 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Swedish Excuse Maker – Very mature written dude. I’m not sure you have anything better to come up with so I will not expect it either.Posted July 17, 2013 12:16 pm
Not even close… Robinson lost to 2nd rate fighters and ducked the best fighters promoters tried to match him with: Charley Burley and Archie Moore.Posted July 17, 2013 11:28 am
Swedish Excuse Maker
The Joe Louis-Rocky marciano fight is hardly any proof of Marciano to be “superior”. Louis was excuse, excuse and blah blah blah. Dribble Dribble Dribble blah blah blah excuses excuses, so whats left in thge tank then? Crying out loud Rocky Marciano himself diden’t like to fight Louis was a boxing idol of his but still showed how much better he was by demolishing him by KO. I have respect for Rocky marciano, fine career and I love him for having that kind of respect for a legend.Posted July 17, 2013 8:28 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
The Joe Louis-Rocky marciano fight is hardly any proof of Marciano to be “superior”. Louis was old, tired and ONLY fought for the money then. Not for winning, not for any titles, not for glory and not for he was hungry so whats left in thge tank then? Crying out loud Rocky Marciano himself diden’t like to fight Louis becouse he knew all this already and afgter the fight he felt ashamed for beating up Louis becouse Louis was so far away from his prime. I have respect for Rocky marciano, fine career and I love him for having that kind of respect for a legend.Posted July 17, 2013 6:12 am
Did Marciano line them all up and whip every last one of them? Oh yeah he already did that with Louis and Moore and would have with the others. I can imagine LaMotta getting all mouthy and disruptive until he felt the paw on his shoulder of Marciano saying “take it easy Bull, you’ll live longer”. HahahaPosted July 17, 2013 2:34 am
@badger… You mean Charlie Burley… Burley would have beaten the crap out of Robinson a worse than Ralph Jones whipped him.
Robinson refused to fight Archie Moore.. Moore was often asked, “Who was the greatest fighter you ever fought???” He always said, “Charlie Burley.”
Burley was working the day shift in a manufacturing plant in San Diego.. His foreman said, “Call for you. Some kind of emergency.”
Burley got on the phone, “Burley???” … “Yup.” … “You always said you wanted to fight Archie Moore, now’s your chance.” … “WOW!!! How much???” … “1,500 if you can be at Legion Stadium in Hollywood by 8PM” … “I’ll be there.”
Burley finished his work shift. Took the bus to LA and a transfer Hollywood. He didn’t own a car at the time. He arrived with a half hour to spare and with no second. He dressed, wrapped his own hands, and Moore’s trainer put on his gloves and taped them. Burley had to stand between rounds and never took a drink. He knocked Archie Moore down 4 times and dominated. Moore thought he would catch Burley out of shape. Not a chance.Posted July 16, 2013 9:19 pm
my only beef on Robinson was that he avoided Charley Burrel.Posted July 16, 2013 8:42 pm
Floyd Patterson’s era was pretty weak too. Who was that ..Pete Rademacher?
Ah Joe Louis. Wish there were more quality heavyweights during his era. Very nimble footwork, great handspeed and he had that sweet left hook off the jab. As it stands he’s my #2 heavyweight all time.Posted July 16, 2013 7:40 pm
Charles??? He was a middleweight and light heavyweight… Of course he was the heavyweight title by default.Posted July 16, 2013 5:28 pm
There weren’t any “top heavyweights” in the 1940’s.
You had Walcott who weighed 190, got beat 18 times, and knocked out about 6 times.
And you had Lou Nova, a guy who got insulted if you missed him with a punch.Posted July 16, 2013 5:26 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
“The Brown Bomber” Joe Louis, the Greatest heavyweight champion of the world for all times, 25 defences and cleaned out all top heavyweights of his era.Posted July 16, 2013 5:00 pm
Yeah but didn’t Maxim have air conditioning in there?Posted July 16, 2013 4:25 pm
Ray Robinson would never have considered a fight with Floyd Patterson… Patterson beat Maxim when he had 13 fights and weighed 168 — at least that’s what all 11 reporters at ringside thought. They all had Patterson winning every round.
Robinson didn’t want a rematch with Maxim… That’s because Joey was too big, too strong, too tough, and too durable for Robbie.
Robinson didn’t want a rematch with Ralph Jones… That’s because Ralphie Boy was too fast… too slick… too tough… and way too aggressive for the Sugarman.
Robinson refused to fight Archie Moore… Archie was too big… too strong… too fast… too skilled… too hard punching… and too crafty for Ray.
And Robinson certainly wouldn’t climb into a ring with Floyd Patterson… Who was to big… too strong… too fast… too skilled… and too hard punching… and too everything for Robbie on the best day he ever saw.Posted July 16, 2013 3:17 pm