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he would have beat wladimere is only his little toe didnt get hurt.

Posted January 15, 2013 7:24 pm 


Vitali does not need Haye in his resume. Wlad showed, that Haye is mostly talk. I also don’t see, why an interested boxing fan should wan’t to see this fight. Haye only got a punchers chance, if he lands one of his Hayemakers (commonly known as lucky punch). They could probably fight 10 fights, and Haye would maybe win one of them (with a lucky punch), but all the fights would be rather boring to watch. Haye on the run for 12 rounds, jumping in from time to time, trying to land that one punch. This is not real boxing.

As for Hayes opponents; he is very smart in picking them. As a counterboxer he needs aggressive but not very smart opponents, like Ruiz or Chisora, Nikolay “slow motion” Valuev was also a good opponent, since he was way to slow (even for Holyfield…). If Haye wan’t another shot at a Klitschko, he needs to go back in line, and fight his way up. But at the moment he has not earned another shot, and he will never earn one by only using his mouth…

Posted January 15, 2013 5:38 am 


haye is a con man actually he to smart for boxing he said himself he knows punches do brain damage .so when he gets in with a big heavy weight like wlad his main objective was not to get hurt .I guess I dont blame him he is to smart for it .but my question is why dont many fans see that hayes that smart and keep insisting he should get another title shot right away

Posted January 14, 2013 10:24 pm 


wlad has already beat haye by a wide margin yet the say wlad hasnt beaten any one up to this point . in a way there correct . haye is nobody so why does vitali have yto beat this nobody with the bad toe. the guys a disgrace and a fraud

Posted January 14, 2013 10:19 pm 


Haye came up a lot… It wasn’t Chisora deteriorating.. Haye with the Audley, Wladimir, and Chisora fights is a much better heavyweight. This is what he has stated, and this is what I see.. I evaluate boxers on their general conditioning, strength, and skills—not on public opinion or “expert” opinion which is so often dead wrong.. Haye knew he was going to beat Chisora down because he’s very good at evaluating his opponents. He got Wladimir wrong because—like a lot of heavyweights—he assumed when Wlad gets tagged real hard he would revert to the fighter he was 10 years ago… Like Steward said, “Wladimir is the smartest, most dedicated, and best all-around fighter I’ve ever worked with. He doesn’t say things to fire anyone up or get with the program. He really believes he can get better with every fight and creates markers to make sure that happens.” So at an age when many fighters slack off Wladimir is getting better.

Posted January 13, 2013 1:41 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Bears, it’s known that you are a special case around here, you and the Tard deserve each other. You’re still pissy over the last time you were set straight…

Posted January 12, 2013 10:38 pm 


I agree about wlad 100%. On haye if he has progressed greatly its hrd for me to see. I can’t tell if its the short comings of chisora or hayes gainly skill

Posted January 12, 2013 10:17 pm 


I wanted chisora to win because hayes general non-action grinds my gears. Ex retireing, not actively fighting. I like how chisora will fight anyone anywhere but the skill disparity is huge. The only thing chisora has is his non stop coming forward. Any boxer with good basic footwork will pose major problemsfor chisora

Posted January 12, 2013 10:14 pm 


Thanks Bears… Ernie is a enema schnozzle looking for an bung hole to root his snoot..

Remember, you thought Chisora would beat Haye and it was a total distruction of Del Boy… Just like in every other sport boxers are getting better with every generation.. The K Bros and Haye are the cutting edge of the sport.. You can’t compare the Wladimir who fought Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster 1 with the finished product who has almost a decade of Steward tutelage.. Wladimir is more fluid, much faster, has a more scientific stance, a masterful defense, and can clinch like a bear trap.. When he suffered his losses he was 10% of what he is now … Haye has not been static either.. He’s getttng better, faster, stronger, and more skillful. The Haye who smashed Chisora is much better than the heavyweight who fought Bonin, Ruiz, Barrett, or Valuev.

Posted January 12, 2013 9:56 pm 


Tarks right about a lot of stuff ESPECIALLY his take on vitaly vs lennox lewis. I just disagree with his estimation of hayes greatness and hypotheticals relating to that. Tark runs cirlces around you its me earnie.

Posted January 12, 2013 8:03 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

LMFAO! Tard still can’t get over Vitali’s loss to the great LL. To think Haye would have matched up against the Easton Assassin is another “Tarkism”.

Posted January 12, 2013 7:26 pm 


wlad lost to purritty, sanders, and brewster and still wooped hayes ace. acting like because a fighter has a loss he cant beat haye is a little disingenuous. and wlad and many others have showed the fallacy of that logic. the funnies part about this is haye has a total of 28 fights and only 6 at heavyweight against VERY weak comp. its beyond laughable you lauding haye to this extent to me. Moreover, you base most your case on the chisora fight. a dude who has had 18 pro fights and was handed his 4th loss in a row. seriously, did you see haye vs barret, ruiz, and valuev? sorry but hayes not better than lennox son. not it any phase of the game but running……lol….imo

Posted January 12, 2013 6:48 pm 


I don’t see former Heavyweight Champions– except Larry Holmes –matching up well with Haye. Haye lost when he had 10 fights and only 20 rounds of experience to a guy with 38 fights and 300 rounds experience. How smart is that matchup? The ONLY other fight Haye lost was to ATG Wladimir at his peak—after Wladimir had 9 years tutelage under Steward … Joe Frazier got destroyed by a slowpoke… Joe Louis got KO’d by a guy who lost 7 times and was knocked out 4 times… Ali was beaten by 197-pounder who had 7 fights total… Lennox Lewis was flattened by a guy who had no chin and no boxing skill… Lewis was a great heavyweight but his chin was available to an explosive puncher like Haye. Vitali would have knocked Lewis out if he hadn’t suffered those deep jagged cuts—that were laced opened with foul blows. Before the horrific cuts VK was killing Lewis—so without referee Lou Moret helping him foul with impunity, LL was toast.

Posted January 12, 2013 6:27 pm 


Yes but winning a couple rounds on a klitschko. Noone in the history th the game would be able to outpoint a klitschko and noone hs been able to. You can only win by stoppage. Wach seems to have had a better chance at that. I knew the answer to the foreman question, obviously if u think haye is better than lewis it goes without saying u think he’s better than foreman. But I would put my money on haye to beat that foreman too. REally any foreman. But no way on lennox. And I think may others would stylistically match up well wit haye. I think when char beats chisora it will show how grossly over rated you have both haye and chisora. Even if its a close fight. Haye just is not one of the best ever in my book

Posted January 12, 2013 4:20 pm 


Bears…, You say, “Wach did better than haye did against Wladimir in in my eyes.” … Wach had a record of 27-0 but only landed only one (1) terrific shot in 12 rounds—and maybe 4 other punches that were pretty good.. Haye landed about 15 good punches and was hit with about 53 pretty good ones, mostly jabs.. Wladimir may have the best jab in the history of the heavyweight division—but Haye wasn’t an open target for them like Wach was.. Haye won a couple rounds where Wach didn’t win ANY. Wach was hit with over 200 really terrific shots.. Wach has a cast-iron chin and had a brilliant record against guys you mostly never heard of—but as for boxing skills Wach is more like Foreman than Haye … Wach eats jabs and ducks under punches about as well as Foreman did. Haye slips and ducks punches brilliantly and there’s not a punch he hasn’t mastered.

Posted January 12, 2013 2:02 pm 


Bears… Watch Foreman against Jimmy Young. Young’s ring record was 19-5. George’s was 45-1 BUT he only previously fought one (1) good boxer in his life. George’s immobile head was repeatedly nipped by Young’s quick but weak jabs—which were lacking in snap and pop. Young countered Foreman’s slow lumbering jabs with quick nifty right crosses that lacked the crushing power of Haye — although Jimmy DID DECK the much bigger and stronger Foreman … Next, watch David Haye vs Dereck Chisora. Listen to Sugar Ray Leonard talk about Chisora’s great jab—which fails to land on Haye. Watch Haye easily evade everything Chisora throws and light him up like a Christmas tree—with masterful feints, slick, powerful jabs, staggering right crosses, smashing left hooks, and brilliant combinations to head and body … If slow inept Lyle put George down and nearly out—Haye would do a Chisora-like job on him … Chisora is not as slow as Lyle.

Posted January 12, 2013 1:35 pm 


hey tark, who would win in your mind b/w the foreman that fought lyle and haye?

Posted January 12, 2013 2:55 am 


i guess in your eyes that makes wlad klitschko awesome though

Posted January 11, 2013 8:55 pm 


wow tark seriously? you think haye would just beat the great lennox lewis? lol @ that!!! I dont know if you noticed but lennox did take a lot of good shots in his time too. lennox is 10 to 100 times the boxer haye is. in range in fighting on the inside. in fighting dirty. lennox has a much wider range in his skills and assets. barret, ruiz, and valuev would not have stunk if it was lennox fighting them. and the bouts wouldve been more one sided. i seriously think your assesment of haye is now bordering on absurd. the guy takes out a turn in chisora, lands a punch in a 12 round fight like wach but wach was able to do more. wach did better than haye did against wlad in in my eyes. wach actually hurt wlad

Posted January 11, 2013 8:53 pm 


To me, the David Haye who murdered Dereck Chisora beats Lennox Lewis clean.. Haye landed a massive right hander on Wladimir in the 12th round, driving a shower of sweat into the fifth row of seats. If that shot landed on Lewis he would have been KTFO where Rahman and McCall put him.. Even if he didn’t knock him out Haye could outspeed and outbox Lewis.. Haye has massive determination for big fights and Lewis sometimes let them slip away.. I see the greater speed, punching leverage, body punching expertise, and combination punching skills, along with Haye’s greater ability to slip punches as working in Haye’s favor against Lewis.

Posted January 11, 2013 8:04 pm 


Haye won in impressive fashion against Chisora, but this doen’t raze his performance against Wlad. Only few will believe his talking again. However, the fight against Vitali is still most interesting in this Division. Haye may also have a good chance to beat Vitali, but this chance depends more on Vitali’s age than on Haye.

Posted January 11, 2013 7:14 pm 


Noone wants to see Big Toe Haye fail to Vitali with a fate injure to his head when Vitali connect to Haye’s head and Haye fate another Toe injure for that big paycheck, no sir not here. Haye vs Fury winner faces Vitali period.

Posted January 11, 2013 4:43 pm 


TKO6 – When does vitali decide? its already a month later than he said

Posted January 11, 2013 12:27 pm 


we already discussed vitaly vs lennox. keep telling yourself whatever you have to

Posted January 11, 2013 12:06 pm 


Bears, Wlad and Haye was a DUD fight largely due to Haye avoiding engagement which was to some extent the strategy he simply lacked the size to fight balls out against a fighter with Wlads power, size and talent (shoulda went for it)…. That said Wlad is in part to blame, he was VERY cautious against an undersized fighter that was not throwing alot of punches, he did not go nuts and try to steamroll Haye because he KNOWS what it feels like to be knocked out and he KNOWS Haye can punch… This was NOT one of Wlads better fights he lived down to the boring label and looked overcautious against a relative dwarf

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Posted January 11, 2013 10:52 am 


Bears, Lennox getting caught out there by Rahman at that stage of his career means nothing?? OK what tells you a fighter is slipping? Uneven performances coupled with advancing age tell a story… A few fights later he gets in the ring with Klits clearly past his best fighting weight and looks uncoordinated and sloppy.. YET his power bailed him out and he found the rythm going to work on Vitalis face… Of course YOU will say Lennox was in his prime because you are building Vitalis ENTIRE career off of his loss to Lewis so you need to try and sell a few things 1.) Lewis was at his peak 2.) Vitali was not 3.) The ref was on the Mafia dole 4.) Rules of boxing should be changed to favor the Klits in ALL Bad situations and certainly losses…. Thankfully your campaign has stalled and died on this message board, just like Trump with the “Birther issue” your staunchest ally Tark a regularly discredited poster is a fellow patient at the asylum named after you…

Posted January 11, 2013 10:51 am 


Bears, you give Haye grief for fighting some old men on his climb into HW which is true he did… BUT look at Wlad two of his last 3 opponents were 40!!! ONE of them a David Haye retread who’s best days were at Cruiser coming off near 2 years of inactivity…???? You bash Hayes road to the title YET you want to give Wlad maximum credit for his lackluster performance against him? You are contradicting yourself as usual, who was Charr beating or Thompson prior to facing Wlad?? NO ONE Thompson poor old man was beating guys with 13 losses… Sheesh… Haye is plenty qualified during this SAD era to get a shot at Vitali who should either fight him or retire…He will be laughed off the planet if he grabs another CRAB fighter.

Posted January 11, 2013 10:45 am 


Bears, says “Lennox beats anyone NOT named Klitschko” Lennox ALREADY beat Klitschko so that is OUT the window… Secondly you invoke the GREAT name of Lennox Lewis because Wlad and Vitali do not have a single win over a figher that is even 65% of Lewis quality… Wlad was having his WORST run in boxing while Lennox was busy stopping his brother like I have said 100 times the Klits were around in the 90’s and they were NOBODIES!! If they were soooo dominaint then why were they unable to make it happen UNTIL Lewis retired in 2003 or 2004?? The only guy from the 90’s in viable shape that the Klits beat off the top of my head was Chris Byrd, a very talented albeit undersized HW fighter and of course we have Vitali on record QUITTING against this guy..

Posted January 11, 2013 10:38 am 


Chisora did NOT give some sort of epic performance because of his limitations as a fighter BUT he came to fight, he was there to win and he did NOT let Klits have his way in the ring consequently Vitali won but it was hardly an impressive show… Chisora was NOT intimidated nor did he come to collect a paycheck, he was willing to take whatever the MORE experienced Champion had to offer and that was to be commended…

Posted January 11, 2013 10:32 am 


I still feel people overestimate Chisora and his performance against VK. Vitali had to work hard in that fight because Chisora kept coming forward, but Chisora did very little damage. He was not effective at all. Kevin Johnson busted up Vitali’s face more then Chisora
Chiosora chased Vitali enough to not let him in his comfortzone and as a result, VK was tired at the end. He basically had to rest in the last 2 rounds which as such were won by Chisora due to his aggression. But even in R11 and 12 Chisora hardly landed a significant punch. And in the first 10, you have to be very pro chisora to give him 2 rounds. The fight was not as competitive as most people seem to think in my opinion
Still if Haye and VK do ever meet, my money is on Haye. But not because of his 5 round KO against Chisora

Posted January 11, 2013 8:49 am 


I think Vitali is the GOAT heavyweight but I like Haye too… The Chisora fight shows what Haye can do when he comes off a disciplined training camp and fights with extraordinary focus. When you dislike somebody it’s the strongest motivation, and he clearly didn’t like Chisora. That really helps you maintain focus in training camp. You don’t want to pull a muscle or do anything where you’re not totally 100% so you can destroy the man. If you get injured many managers say, “It’s not bad enough to risk a cancellation is it? This fight is a lot of money everybody is counting on. There’s the whole team to consider. If we try to postpone it they’ll cancel it. Let’s see how you feel in a few days. We can beat this guy with one hand anyway.” Then you can’t train right, the camp sucks, your attitude sucks, and the fight sucks. Boxing is a very tough game to play, and people who are successful at it deserve respect … Except for guys like Chisora who don’t respect anybody.

Posted January 10, 2013 10:52 pm 


Its easy to dislike haye and I do for the most part because he acts the opposite of how I think a fighter should act. And the way he flopped. To me he was acting like a b*tch. I would like to see haye fght 3 times a year the best matchups possible and make good on his claims or at least make an effort to “clean out the division” the only thing haye cleaned out was 39 and 40 year olds and gave a turd his 4th loss in a row that vitaly beat with one hand tied behind his back

Posted January 10, 2013 9:32 pm 


Haye did have his chance of a lifetime and what does he do, whines about his big toe and hardly throws anything all fight long. He’s also been inactive and only wants a big money fight. Sounds lazy to me. Tired of his disrespect and mouthing off. Haye needs to earn his way into a title shot. Wish he’d just retire and disappear. Vitali doesn’t need to make the loudmouth rich.

Posted January 10, 2013 9:11 pm 


I think lennox beats anyones ass not named klitschko and has the highest % chance of beating a klitschko in hypotheticals. Them 3 guysare the best heavies ever. Klitschkos and lennox

Posted January 10, 2013 8:39 pm 


Lennoxs legacy was tarnished in my eyes but I’m actually a lennox fan. I followed his entire career. I know well his cheating tactics he employed at times. Don’t get me wrong lennox is a great just vital > lennox in my eyes. Lennox hadn’t lost anything to me. Rahman just caught him not cause he had slowed or was old. He was being lazy and not working his jab. It was a flukethats why he thoroughly dominated rahman in the rematch. Steward pleaded with lennox to rematch vitaly. Train to fight vitaly and rematch. Precisely because lennox hadnot faded. Steward wouldn’t tell a faded lewis to fight on if he thought lewis was faded

Posted January 10, 2013 8:37 pm 


Bears, in sport, titles won or retained by a ” jolly ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AGAINST ANYONE” are not much respected. I also notice you think “those are not good reasons” for the fight to happen…………..yet you use the same reasons as supposed evidence against lewis who was offered silly money about 5 years after he quit.

Posted January 10, 2013 8:26 pm 


I’ve re watched the fight recently. Haye tried to survive, flopping to the canvas numerous times they tied up.
So old Vitali has “no chance” vs Haye based on Haye v Wlad??? LOL

Make up your mind on Haye. You must think DH is a top HW… but Wlad easily beat a top HW but was not impressive. You have very high expectations for Wlad.

Hard to KO an opponent that runs and flops like a fish out of water.

Posted January 10, 2013 8:14 pm 


VITALY has the highest ko ration. he knows the best what it feels like ko men and reap time from there lives they wont get back. knocking another dog like haye means what? he can get that jolly ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AGAINST ANYONE. remember the words of the great larry merchant “the dogs bark and the caravan rolls on”,,,,,,

Posted January 10, 2013 8:14 pm 


wlad didnt exactly do great either bears

Posted January 10, 2013 7:39 pm 


Lol haye kept flopping on the ground, made toe excuse and wouldn’t engage and this DG guy just acted like haye did good! Bahahahahahahahah! Garbage!

Posted January 10, 2013 7:31 pm 


Where did I say “Haye is worth nothing” ??? Please show me that one?? Is he a HOF HW NO…. Is he an ATG HW NO…. BUT he is a very visible, fast and talented opponent for Klitschko at the age of 41… It is a BETTER match than any of these other no name crabs you can think of…. Arreola? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! A forgotten fighter who NEVER beat a guy in the Top 10 and faded into obscurity after getting outboxed by Adamek coming up from Cruiserweight.

Posted January 10, 2013 6:00 pm 


There is PLENTY of incentive to fight Haye, he could KNOCK HIM OUT, SHUT HIM UP and collect the BIGGEST paycheck of his career…Of course lining up ANOTHER handpicked opponent like Charr would be better in your eyes because you DON’T like the risk profile… Klits will have 40 pounds on Haye and you still worry he might catch him because unlike these other mopes Klits has been beating on Haye has FAST hands… Make all the excuses that you want about Charr and Mormeck these are some of the reasons the Klits don’t get respect from some and that their contests are scoffed at…Truth is that if Vitali does NOT fight Haye he would retire because another manufactured threat is not gonna fly..

Posted January 10, 2013 5:47 pm 


Bears, if Lewis was truly “defenseless” then why did Vitali NOT knockout a defenseless fighter? This makes Klits look and sound like GARBAGE the announcers were WRONG..Lewis was NOT defenseless and Vitali knew it that is why he did not get reckless and get knocked out in the process INSTEAD he chose to let the eye get pounded to mush and run off making excuses about rematches, scorecards and such nonsense

Posted January 10, 2013 5:29 pm 


Haye didn’t want one which u ignore. Charr and mormek there doesn’t have to be anything deserving about it. Its voluntary bouts (keynote voluntary/up to klitschkos) that net multi millions. Champs do what they want in voluntarys. Haye didn’t want to fight vitaly neither did his coach. I think my posts wrap up this haye topic pretty succinctly below. There really is no appeal I can think of for vitaly to fight haye. If I’m vitaly. As a fan. Hayes a con man if you ask me. I can see no reason for vitaly to fight him if its worth nothing but money at this point. As I said what has haye done for wlad? U say below haye is worth nothing on the legacy aspect. Noone is calling for this fight son. Your sun baked in your own fabricated haye shine. Lol

Posted January 10, 2013 5:28 pm 


HaHaHaHa!!!! Charr and Mormeck two TERRIBLE opponents throw in the talentless and unvetted Wach and you have a JOKE… Haye is MORE than qualifed to get a fight and Vitali WANTED one which you ignore… He is on video saying he wanted to KO Haye but alas the rhetoric changed after Chisora got his head taken off

Posted January 10, 2013 4:27 pm 


Bears, Lewis BEAT Klitschko and that will never change he blew his face open with CLEAN blows that will never change… Wanting to fight a HUGE money rematch with Tyson was pure business… Just like Vitali wanting to fight David Haye DIRECTLY off a loss for a FRACTION of what Lewis would have made against Mike Tyson…When the opportunity to do something GREAT presented itself Vitali lost, Buster Douglas outdid him, McCall outdid him, Rahman outdid him….Its VERY laudable that an old Champ was able to turn back a spirited challenge from a YOUNGER BIGGER future HW Champion… What is NOT laudable is Klits NEVER moving on past that night with Lewis and finding a fight that mattered to the public…Instead he is banging it out with the Charrs of the World… SADDDDDDD!

Posted January 10, 2013 4:25 pm 


Are you seriously asking what’s the story? Is ur boxing knowledge THAT DEFICIENT? Champs fight who they want to for voluntarys. Show me a champ who hasn’t done something similar. You have no knowledge that’s ok cause class is in session and I’m your professor

Posted January 10, 2013 4:23 pm 


So you think its customary for people to “fabricate” as you do? That lennox when asked about retirement indicated he would and had no plans to retire. Even held the titles for 6 months and tried to secure a tyson rematch (wanted to fight on) but only retired when the wbc mad the vitaly bout mandatory. I have to admit it doesn’t add up. Vitaly has been fighting since he was a kid. Started very young in kickboxing has fought way longer and more than lennox. Or is kickboxing not a sport. Not a brual contact sport like boxing? Of course it is. Lennox resorted to his career motif. Holding and hitting and the wrist rake job. Nobody lauds that redmond. We look at lennox lewis being called “defensless” by the uk broadcasters who “actually” did a close up and identified where and when the cut happened. That fght could’ve easily gone to te cards within 4 rounds. Guess what that means. Lennox had a narrow escape and got forced into retirement. But still u havent answered. How is a hae bout appealing to vitaly

Posted January 10, 2013 4:20 pm 


Bears, if you are such a FAN of guys coming up the “old fashioned way” then whats the story with a scrub like Charr or a DEAD fighter like Mormeck who had been inactive for close to 2 years and was a former David Haye KO victim.??????????????????????????????????????? You have no standards you just don’t wanna risk seeing Vitali get tagged by a former Cruiserweight….. FACT

Posted January 10, 2013 4:16 pm 


Was Lewis supposed to say “Hey I am getting on in years” when he had an upcoming fight? Why would a Champion embolden his opponent by noting his own weaknesses or decline? Besides boxers are usually the LAST to know if you ask Holyfield he is STILL going to win the HW title… You are really devoid of logic “Im aging like wine” LMAO!

Posted January 10, 2013 4:09 pm 


Bears, Lewis had been KNOCKED out by a 15-1 underdog a few fights earlier (Rahman) and yes that was the end of the line for him in boxing… Vitali had to retire for 4 years at 33 or 34 whatever it was meanwhile Lewis plowed thru, secured his legacy and beat EVERY man he ever faced something Klits can NEVER boast, at a point in his career when Vitali is fighting scrubs like Charr or a neophyte like Chisora… Lewis was bashing Klits and beating Tyson to get rid of a thorn in his side… Lewis was at his HEAVIEST for the bout and he still got Klits outta there in his prime…

Posted January 10, 2013 4:07 pm 


“Lennox was an old man” please point to me where lennox showed ANY signs decline whatsoever. Something that would. Refute his own statement that he was “aging like wine” until he met the guy that destroyed that thought. Th GOAT vitaly klitschko. lennox got to shake hands with “the great one” vitaly klitschko.

Posted January 10, 2013 4:02 pm 


I disagree with about everything u said. Haye is not a huge draw. He had a “story” with chisora that became something. Outside that isolated incident hae is no “huge” draw. He couldn’t even secure a stadium for his klitschko bout in his own home so again you don’t know boxing. Why would I want to see the winner of an eliminator get the title shot (arreola vs stiverne) becase I believe in that. Call me old fashioned. But active fighters fighting climbing up in eliminators has been how people get title shots. How people FORCE themselves into contention. Impose themselves. Do u have some problem with eliminators and active fighters? Nobody around the sport calls haye a “huge draw”. Nobody is clamoring for a haye fight. You have been baking to long in your fabricated haye shine. Your mind got cooked. Your downplaying the natural order of things and eliminators basically how things have been done historically. Maybe you identify with this con because your a con. I don’t know I don’t care. Facts are haye appears to be a con as I point out below nobody makes a case as to why this fight would be appealing for vitaly outside a monetary one. Why would vitaly want to reap what wlad has reaped from smoking haye? Riddle me that b*tchmond

Posted January 10, 2013 3:58 pm 

top hat

Vitali is ducking haye to fight another bum then claim nobody would fight him. Haye wants to get it on. You not up for that champ. tic toc

Posted January 10, 2013 3:55 pm 


Bears, Lennox Legacy is TOTALLY secure and Vitali is sadly for YOU a part of that legacy a PRIME, BIG future HW Champion that he (Lennox) TKOed in 6 rounds when he was an OLD man… Klits legacy is that he is a guy who beat a slew of limited fighters who were either past it, inept or no better than Samuel Peter thats SAD… David Tua was BETTER than ANY fighter that Vitali beat, more dangerous and had more violent wins against World Class Comp…. Vitali will be known for riding Lewis JOCK 10 years after they fought because he could not generate a decent Superfight in the interim.

Posted January 10, 2013 3:45 pm 


Bears WHY would you want to see Arreola fight Vitali again we already saw that bout and Chris has NOT gotten ANY better he has been beating CLUB fighters and now he is about to fight Stiverne who is another nobody in the division…Arreola would not bring half the money, exposure nor accolades if Vitali knocked out Haye…. But then again a DOLT like yourself thought beating Tony Thompson a second time made Wlad and ATG…

Posted January 10, 2013 3:30 pm 


Bears, as per usual you are committed to being a SERIOUS fool the reality is that fighting Wlad, winning a title and having a BIG mouth have made Haye a BIG draw… After being on the shelf for quite sometime he fought Chisora in front of a HUGE crowd… NONE of these other BUM HW’s are drawing crowds outside the Kilts that is why Vitali was CHASING Haye directly off of a loss… NOW that he blasted out a common opponent the fight is even bigger between Vitali and Haye.. You might be worried for Vitali getting caught but the economic opportunity cannot be intelligently denied… Wlads BIGGEST payday???? David Haye FACT

Posted January 10, 2013 3:28 pm 


Sredmond-nobody is calling for vitaly vs haye if u have been paying attention to boxing. There are no articles on east side calling for it. There are no analysts or coaches like dan rafael. Its because its like jeffc,scdc, and myself have pointed out. Dudes a con not a fighter. Assuming people are gonna excited about a conman named haye and it will generate big money again is only an assumption. Klitschkos make multi millions even when they fight the mormeks o the world. Klitschkos not haye is the big draw. Now let’s take a look at compubox from vitaly vs chisora to get a sense of the accumulation and the effect even a one arm vitaly has. Quite immpresive

Posted January 10, 2013 3:10 pm 


Jeff C, as for current HW’s giving their all ALOT of them are ducking the Klits and staying VERY protected while awaiting God knows what??? Thats why there are 25 names and very few guys with some solid accomplishments… If these dudes were hungry they would be chomping at the bit to face a couple of Champs who were getting on in years…

Posted January 10, 2013 2:45 pm 


Corrie Sanders was NOT a highly skilled fighter and stopping Wlad is not going to qualify you as one of boxings biggest punchers…He was a guy who was successful against a LOW caliber of boxer for the most part, Vitali beating him was a foregone conclusion he NEVER duplicated his success with Wlad against anyone of note before or after…David Haye is FASTER, in BETTER shape and more exposive than Corrie Sanders EVER was…

Posted January 10, 2013 2:42 pm 


Who cares if Haye has been active? He came back and blew Vitalis last opponent out of the ring and created a potential event worth seeing.. We all know that Haye has serious talent that said ALOT of the vitriol hurled his way is personal and in defiance of business reality…If Haye is such a turnoff then WHY is he able to make a BIGGER fight with Vitali than anyone else?? The Public can only go on rides that it wants to, no one has a gun their heads

Posted January 10, 2013 2:39 pm 


Richard, for Haye NOT getting to fight Vitali is YOUR belief that he will beat Haye down then why are you OK with him (Vitali) having fought the slew of WEAK opponents that he has?? Did you think that Charr, Briggs, and others were going to win or stood MORE of a chance than Haye? Your rationale is FLAWED, Klits will be favored in most fights and Chisora is NOT the hitter than Haye is.

Posted January 10, 2013 1:42 pm 


Haye-Vitali 2013 – Wlad-Pulev 2013 – Price-Fury 2013 – Povetkin-Adamek 2013 – Wilder-tomato can 2013

Posted January 10, 2013 1:32 pm 


Lets NOT act like Wlad was the BIG LOSER facing Haye he generated 25 million and was Klits BIGGEST fight financially just as he would be for Vitali… Haye brings $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the table and hate it or love it people are going to pay to see Klits fight him and tune in… Many hoping Vitali will KO the Englishman but pretending he is irrelevant in an irrelevant division is a JOKE… Who besides Haye would bring more cash and visibility to the table BESIDES Vitali facing Wlad??

Posted January 10, 2013 1:21 pm 


Haye is older than charr and chisora……..

Posted January 10, 2013 12:46 pm 


@SREDMOND; you make some very excellent points!!!!!

Posted January 10, 2013 12:45 pm 


In the past 3 YEARS, DH has:
beat a well past it Ruiz and a never was Harrison; lost easily in a try to survive fight vs Wlad; had a good win vs a game Chisora. On the strength of *one* win in 3 years vs a live opponent, Haye wants to cash in vs an old Vitali. A fighter he ducked when he was in his late 30s ! David, fight some live HWs near your age or just go away.

Haye has some talent. However he has attained a level of fame and fortune way out of proportion to his in the ring accomplishments. To Brit fans – Price, Fury have some potential which remains to be seen. I don’t understand the “love affair” some have w/Haye.

Vitali should ignore Haye, regardless of what the outcome would be of fighting DH in the near future.

Posted January 10, 2013 12:43 pm 



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Posted January 10, 2013 12:39 pm 


wladimir- haye fight was utterly forgettable

Posted January 10, 2013 12:35 pm 

MNboxingFAN – Sean

Mega fight?!? With Haye?!? Did his get that toe fungus or whatever taken care of? We wouldn’t want him crying after he gets spanked again and saying it was his wittle toe that got hurt.

Posted January 10, 2013 12:22 pm 


he was already contracted to chisora and haye even said he would do BOTH fights. this was rejected by K2 not by Haye

Posted January 10, 2013 12:13 pm 


im six foot 4 you goon. Im taller than 95%, how am i “little” brave internet warrior?

Posted January 10, 2013 12:12 pm 


Mr. Haye, nobody cares what you do, honestly Vitali need not fight you for two reasons and they are both solid. First, you have not beaten any fighter of note in quiet a long time and you are quickly becoming a huge joke to some and disappointment to others. Vitali has earned his stripes and you, you have not.

Posted January 10, 2013 11:25 am 


I can’t take tis guy serious. Realize, people, you’re talking about the guy who threw about 9 puches a round vs Wlad and will do the same against Vitali. GTFO.

Posted January 10, 2013 11:01 am 


Why is the Toe Fairy worried about Vitaly’s legacy ? Tell me , how
would Vitaly’s legacy be enhanced by beating a LOSER his ” little
brother ” beat !? Now , if the Toe Fairy would have WON , it would be a different story . But he LOST , he got BEATEN , so how would Vitaly’s
resume benefit by beating another LOSER ?

Posted January 10, 2013 10:54 am 


Idiot Bears is trying to steal credit from ANOTHER fighter Vitali did not “destroy Chisoras punch resistance” that is just MORE Klitschko mythology…Chisora did not take some sort of big beating and he was running Klits down till the end of the fight after the fight he STILL wanted to fight…David Haye is the guy that knocked out Chisora and we STILL do not know if that means he is going to start getting clipped left and right… What a SAD joke, trying to scrape up undue credit for Klitschkos anemic resume… SMH

Posted January 10, 2013 10:40 am 


Give it a rest, Haye fought in a meek fashion and Vitali QUIT against a smaller fighter everyone has setbacks..If you nutcases would wakeup to the reality that HW boxing is on the backburner and high profile, well promoted, visible fights are needed in order to generate some buzz then the whining would stop…There is NOT a single fighter out there that would create more of an event than David Haye vs one of the Klits and thats a fact unless they fought eachother…. Wlad and Vitali’s last bouts were utterly forgettable Charr and Wach a couple of LOW threat boxers with no name….IMO Vitali should just retire its pointless if he is not gonna fight Haye..

Posted January 10, 2013 10:33 am 


Haye is missing his superfight win also…Haye had his chance and blew it, Haye needs Vitali more than Vitali needs Haye

Posted January 10, 2013 10:25 am 

Santa Fee

The Hayefaker has disappointed before why not again. The one thing that does bother many is the faker’s abilitiy not to fight as much as his skill at talking his way to the head of the line. Most contenders do not have it as easy as this clown who when actually in the ring versus the best revealed himself to be a mere toe fairy but as a heavyweight boxer the faker could not impress much less win.

Posted January 10, 2013 9:50 am 


“SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECT PLAN” – try the uncut version i posted 2nd!

Posted January 10, 2013 9:07 am 


Internet warrior – are you sure about that slapping thing?

Posted January 10, 2013 9:02 am 


…… klits manager and proven liar. good citation

Posted January 10, 2013 8:56 am 


I do agree that if Vitali goes on he needs to fight a top opponent. Haye, Pulev, maybe Povetkin, or the winner of the WBC eliminator. But not the winner of Charr vs Chisora. And Haye should not wait for that but remain active in the meanwhile. Increase the pressure for Vitali to fight him by fighting and winning himself

Posted January 10, 2013 8:02 am 


Nothing like a Hayter writing an article about Haye…….but even most Hayeters would agree that an active Haye would have been a top contender or even champion in any era……..If Vitali fights on…..he must fight Haye.

Posted January 10, 2013 7:50 am 


vitali gave the date AFTER haye agreed to fight chisora – dont pull that nonsense

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Posted January 10, 2013 7:26 am 


Haye looks more and more like a tool every day and less and less like a fighter. Should we even call haye a fighter or a uk con man that swindled half the uk out of a months worth of wages when they put their money on him to show up and fight

Posted January 10, 2013 7:18 am 


For the record… I hate this saying “Boxing is a business”…. now what other HW match-up makes more ££ or business sense!! For me the HW division on a whole is piss-poor and boring. All or em are Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz good night!!

Posted January 10, 2013 6:22 am 


and was a question but to haye and not one he want cuorting and shouting from the roof tops!

Posted January 10, 2013 6:16 am 


old regurgitated news so that dumb morons keep thinking Haye keeps talking and thinking about Vitali…. It feed the haters and gives the impression this is new news…. In fact it’s about three weeks old.

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Posted January 10, 2013 5:12 am 

Haye pulled out of a Vitali fight in 2009. Now he wants him? Screw him.

Keep clinging to that – Haye beat “Mr lost 3 of 4” Chisora – s***. The whole damn world beat Chisora. Haye does it and people are back on his bandwagon. ZZZZZ.

Posted January 10, 2013 4:46 am 

Haye pulled out of a Vitali fight in 2009. Now he wants him? Screw him.

“vitali was acting like he really wanted to fight haye after his brother couldnt beat haye a**…..” Wlad couldn’t beat Haye’s a**? He DID beat Haye’s a**, you useless chav. Haye was never even in the fight.

Posted January 10, 2013 4:44 am 

Haye pulled out of a Vitali fight in 2009. Now he wants him? Screw him.


Posted January 10, 2013 4:41 am 


Of course Haye would be a dangerous opponent for Vitali, but where was Haye when Vitali wanted to fight him? No, then it was all Wlad because Haye thought Wlad and his ‘weak’ chin was the better option. Then he does a Kevin Johnson against WLad (great defence, no offence), Vitali turns into politics/partial boxing mode, starts to look old, and all the sudden Haye is after Vitali? Come on…
As for Vitali needing Haye for his legacy…What did Haye add to Wlads legacy. Not too much, did he?

Posted January 10, 2013 4:17 am 


I hope it happens …. I will be cheering on Haye if they do but id expect Vitali to win. Haye would be a better opponent than the likes of Charr.

Posted January 10, 2013 3:30 am 


Funny thing is after vitaly fights chisora, chisora starts getting dropped. That he was and is wide open to the side. If charr knocks chisora out its either chisora is terrible or vitaly destoryed yet another fighters punch resistance. That vitaly accumulation must be a hellacious thing. It retired lennox and destoyed man a jaw/punch resistance. This rational. This individual and “isolated” incident haye knocking out chis and vitaly didn’t. I believe your reading too much into it. A dude at cruiser stopped haye. And wlad did not. Sanders stopped wlad. Wach hurt wlad. Haye could neither. We could look at countless examples of how what haye and vitaly did to their common opponent and the difference is more irrelevant. Its one case that really isn’t done playing out as the jury is out on both chisora and hae at heavyweight. Time will tell on chisora. Haye wil probably retire

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Posted January 10, 2013 1:46 am 


David who???

Posted January 9, 2013 11:55 pm 

terror tim

The only person that can give him that fight would be his brother but that won’t happen. No one will remember Haye 10 years from now. Haye couldn’t enhance anyone’s legacy.

Posted January 9, 2013 11:19 pm 


Haye messed up his biggest chance in the history of boxing. He wants to recuperate in one shot, what he lost with Wladimir. Vitali don’t give him the chance.

Posted January 9, 2013 11:06 pm 


Sredmond says…., “Shannon in his prime would likely have been too much for Haye.” Shannon in his prime was knocked stiff by Darroll Wilson, 15-0-2. A couple of fights later Wilson was crushed by David Tua. Briggs was also beaten by bumish Sedrick Fields in his prime—and completely out-boxed, shut out, and decked by Jameel McCline. I can’t imagine McCline beating Haye at any time. Briggs could only manage a draw vs inept defender Frans Botha … There is no way in HELL a prime Briggs wins a round off the David Haye who crushed Dereck Chisora in his last fight.

Posted January 9, 2013 11:03 pm 


i think haye should call out ali because his career is also incomplete without fighting haye. what a fight it would be!

Posted January 9, 2013 10:50 pm 


6’4″ Sanders??? Haye is 6’3″ so what the Hell is 6’4″ going to mean??? I can easily imagine Sanders taking a massive ass beating and getting knocked stiff by the Haye who beat Dereck Chisora.. Sanders got lucky against a Wladimir who couldn’t clinch.. I can’t imagine Peter going 12 rounds with the latest version of Haye.. I can’t imagine Briggs winning a single round off Haye. Briggs was completely dominated by Shorty Sultan Ibragimov, the guy who drew with Ray Austin.

That said Vitali is not going to fight Haye. Vitali is retired and is heavy into politics. If Haye wants to create a legacy as an ATG fighter, he’s going to have to face other heavyweights … You’re just making your mark so it would be stupid to quit.

Posted January 9, 2013 10:17 pm 


@Decker. Vitali already called on Haye to fight Chisora and whoever wins fight him….Vitali and his manager Boente made the remark and both agreed whoever wins the fight will go on to fight him – all eyes have been on Haye v Vitali since…..

Posted January 9, 2013 9:59 pm 


Forget Vitali, he is going to retire soon, someone will step up that will challenge and beat Wlad then you watch how quiet haye gets again, also why not call Wlad out again?

Posted January 9, 2013 9:47 pm 


People read these articles? Fight or retire vitali. Haye is too fast and Fury is too big these days for him. He nearly quit against chisora, then decided no to haye – despite much talk, fought a can in moscow and won via thumb job.

Posted January 9, 2013 9:46 pm 


BEARS knows his boxing.

If I were Vitali I’d tell Haye to win a fight vs a top 10 HW, and do it fast b/c I’m retiring soon. Now that Vitali is 41+ Haye is acting like the jackal or vulture that he is, trying to get a big purse and perhaps a big win against a well past prime Vitali.

If Haye wins a fight vs a live top 10 HW, I’d want Vitali to still ignore Haye. Vitali does not need Haye on his resume and why contribute to Hayes wealth?

Anything close to prime Vitali abuses Haye. DH’s best shot at beating a K bro was vs Wlad and he stunk up the ring using a safety first approach. Let Haye make his money fighting other top HWs or just STFU.

Posted January 9, 2013 9:40 pm 


haye has not accomplished enough to get another title shot. He is trying to make a big money without putting in the time.

Posted January 9, 2013 9:31 pm 


Haye is a big mouth joke !

Posted January 9, 2013 9:28 pm 


Please go away Haye. All talk and no bite

Posted January 9, 2013 7:21 pm 


Funny that (according to some on here) running from the Giant Sloth (beaten by 50 y.o. Holly) for 12, defeating a shop worn huggy bear Ruiz and triple loser Chisora qualifies for great deeds at HW. And yes, in their prime all 3 names mentioned could have mopped the floor with Haye, unless he ran from them like he did from Wlad.

Posted January 9, 2013 7:01 pm 

Nelson Muntz

Haye is a good fighter but a devious character. Finally when Vitali looks really slow and faded, haye is all over him like a rash, having avoided him for years. It´s all about the money for him, unless there is serious money involved, Haye want take any chances. By the way, I am not sure about Peter but a prime Briggs would beat Haye for sure imho.

Posted January 9, 2013 6:42 pm 


David Haye is not going to be remembered as a great HW but he would have wiped out Corrie Sanders in short order, lets be real Sanders was not really EVER a World Class fighter despite upsetting Wlad and there is a good chance that Sam Peter could have ended up looking like Derek Chisora….Discussing the version of Shannon Briggs that Vitali beat is an insult to boxing fans who are in the KNOW…. Briggs was a DEAD MAN a younger version Briggs would have been a good win and Shannon in his prime would likely have been too much for Haye… Haye is not an ATG or HOF HW Scalp but the bout would be HIGH profile and given Vitalis age it would represent a bout against a prime athletic HW as opposed to a scrub like Charr

Posted January 9, 2013 6:31 pm 


One side of me, hopes Vitali takes the fight, and humiliate Haye over several rounds before KO him.
The other side of me, doesn’t wan’t Haye to get that big money fight because he haven’t deserved it, and his fight with Wlad just don’t give him any right to face Vitali

Posted January 9, 2013 6:16 pm 


You had your chance Haye and you ducked him now go Phuck yourself

Posted January 9, 2013 6:12 pm 


Well all the klitchko fans are saying the reason he fights bums is because nobody wants to fight them or there not ready, well someone wants a fight now and the champ has gone quite!!!

Posted January 9, 2013 5:42 pm 


Dear boxing god please grant David Haye his wish so that we’ll be rid of him and his delicate tootsies forever. Amen.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:39 pm 


Vitali’s never had that signature fight (though his unfinished business with Lennox Lewis might qualify) because he’s beaten everyones ass and has gotten no real competition from any of the bums of this unfortunate hw era.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:38 pm 

The Kingslayer

To be fair on Haye there really is nothing else out there for Vitali if he wants to continue. It would be a nice way to finish his career off if Vitali could do the one thing Wladimir failed to and that’s knocked Haye out.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:35 pm 

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