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Posted February 14, 2013 6:42 pm 


Manny was not as focused as he always has, to the contrary, JMM, even with a broken nose, was completely concentrated, for some reason manny was too concerned searchin the KO, and found it, mind over body, peace

Posted December 16, 2012 2:29 pm 

Roger Esparagoza

Pacquiao will be back to be champion again if he will train here in america and leave those people in the Philippine who teach him bible study at night and give him strick security so this people will not come closer to him while he is in training.They can read the bible there 24 hrs a day I dont care just pray the victory of Pacquiao.If that happen he will have a good rest and peace of mind and he will concentrate to his Job

Posted December 16, 2012 1:53 am 

Just saying…

Tumbo, give it a rest. You have juzzed all over this thread. Enough is enough.

Posted December 11, 2012 6:22 pm 


“But you can’t find where i said UD ANYWHERE” I can, Braggadamus : In the thread under the article “Pacquiao vs. Marquez IV: Firmly on the Fence, by Paul Strauss, Dec. 6, 2012. Here’s your post, cut and pasted:


I predict that Marquez will win by UD!
Posted December 5, 2012”

Fool. My memory is better than yours. So is my 2012 prediction record.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:18 pm 


“Freddie Roach is to blame.” No he isn’t. Pacquiao made his own mistakes in the ring. Freddie had nothing to do with Manny throwing caution to the wind. Manny thought he had Juan in trouble and was trying to close the fight. He got careless, left himself open, Juan capitalized on Manny’s carelessness, and down and out went Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao himself said he “didn’t see the punch coming.” That’s because he wasn’t looking for it. Manny’s fault. Not Freddie’s.

Posted December 11, 2012 11:52 am 


te tumbo – I’m a fan of great fighters…and Marquez, a Mexican, is a GREAT fighter! Always has been…I picked him to win via TKO. I knew this would be the one, he was far more determined this time around. I’m so proud.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:45 am 


Freddie Roach is to blame. HE is the one who told Manny to put more pressure on Marquez and that’s what got him knocked out. He should have watched Mayweather’s Fight vs Marquez and followed that blueprint.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:32 am 

te tumbo

what’s up TITOPA? it must be bittersweet for you having to share my glee (lol) but wasn’t i right? weren’t We right? being “Mexican” shouldn’t disqualify a fighter from being among your winning picks? am i right? aren’t We right from now on? . . . :twisted:

Posted December 11, 2012 1:25 am 

te tumbo

among the several reasons that Mayweather was so successful v. Marquez was that he also allowed Marquez to be the aggressor and run into His counters. conversely, guys like Juan Diaz, Katsidis, and a tough s.o.b. named Terdsak “Pit Bull” Jandaeng paid a steep admission price to charge Marquez and be introduced to every punishing punch in the Boxing arsenal. a combustible inside and counter game is what Marquez is notorious for. why would you encourage your fighter to charge into that?

Posted December 11, 2012 1:21 am 

te tumbo

Btw, Roach can’t escape blame for this huge blunder. he should’ve known better but allowed his ego and pride to overcome common sense. otherwise, since when is KOing Marquez the one and only fight-plan? Freddie has consistently erred in favor of Marquez slipping but based on the KDs, he’s only become better each and every time culminating with one of the top-5 KOs in Boxing history . . . how suhweet it is . . . :twisted:

Posted December 11, 2012 1:16 am 


Blame Marquez’s superiority!

Posted December 11, 2012 1:13 am 

te tumbo

TC, apparently, no one felt comfortable being near Manny* during his moment of need(?!). like i said. it was a pretty harsh reminder. i’m gonna give Buboy the benefit of the doubt. maybe he was leading a prayer out of camera range or something but in the glimpses of Roach i caught in the background, he looked more snoopy than concerned.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:06 am 

Tomato Can

te tumbo, you’re right, where the hell did they all go. They scattered like roaches, including Roach.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:05 am 

te tumbo

TC, you posted what i was feeling. something about creepy about Mitt posting himself next to Manny’s corner. my first thought was “Pacquiao’s* a congressman. Mitt’s out of a job and you’ve got to network to get work”. i also considered that he’s completely obliviious. anyway, as soon as Manny* was planted face-first into the canvas by Marquez he did the right thing and bailed. in fact, Pacquiao* seemed like a mighty lonely figure during those post-fight interviews. where was Buboy? Roach? the femme male cheerleader whose been literally hopping up and down in the background after every Manny* win? that was a pretty harsh reminder of who your friends are. IMO, they should’ve been by his side followiing this devastating loss.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:45 pm 

Tomato Can

Its Mitt’s fault. He spin the whole year downing Hispanic illegal aliens, then had the gull to sit near Manny’s corner, and wish Manny good luck, in a fight against a Mexican. It was bound to happen the way it did, to top it all off, Manny actually did his face plant right in front of Mitt and his wife. That was poetic justice at the expense of Manny Pacquiao.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:30 pm 

Keith Williams

I really hate these backward summaries by pundits who are given a forum to produce logic and cogency, and instead indulge in the most assinine of colloquy. What the hell has faith of Christianity to do with two men pounding each brains out for millions of dollars? What reduced cognitive development produces this rationale that God or Jesus would take sides in a boxing match, would show preferrence for one brutal gladiator over another, would ignore the hundreds of millions who are dying for want of a morsel in order to guide the fist of one man to another’s jaw. Maaaann. Do they pay you guys for writing this crap?

Posted December 10, 2012 10:55 pm 

George Bush Intercontinental Airport

Bush did it.

Posted December 10, 2012 10:14 pm 


No one is to blame for pac defeat .Pac ran into a trap set by marquez . MARQuez threw a perfect punch and caught Pac as he was coming in which doubled the impact .Styles makes fights and Marquez takes advantage of pac aggresion .ITS just in pac to be aggresive that why we tune in when he fights and its marquez way to counter punch .marquz counter punching didnt not work as well on he a different style .So as fans I guess we never get pacquia vs mayweather

Posted December 10, 2012 9:58 pm 


ohhhh noooo, this is a conspiracy, this is a conspiracy… it is mr. Obama’s fault LMHAO, hahahahhahahahha

Posted December 10, 2012 9:11 pm 

B Red

Pac will never be the same after that brutal ko. I see him getting stopped in his next fight if he rematches Juan. Great to see Manny napping like that

Posted December 10, 2012 8:57 pm 


LMAO, Pacquiao loses and of course, his opponent was using PEDS? GTFOH! LOSERS!

Posted December 10, 2012 8:40 pm 


It’s President Obama’s fault, naturally.

Posted December 10, 2012 7:38 pm 


Lets blame it on the congress and say that was a conspiracy. Looooooooooooooooser.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:56 pm 


WTF…Who wrote this, Jinkee? Stop asking yourself these ridiculously deep philosophical questions! Listen, its really simple, Manny decided to fight an agressive fight, JMM decided to do what he does best…COUNTERPUNCH!!! Picture perfect counterpunches happen every now and then, just ask Vic D. Dont get blinded by all the hype, at the end of the night THIS IS A FIGHT and anything can happen! So instead of blamin someone, just begin by thankin Manny and JMM for an incredible 6 rounds of boxing.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:09 pm 


…that punch was not SURVIVABLE by no one in that division…NO ONE!;enough with the excuses and move on!!

Posted December 10, 2012 5:47 pm 


Couldn’t have said it any better myself..

Posted December 10, 2012 5:46 pm 


They never complained they were drained until after the fight.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:31 pm 


Thanks Malachi, these guys cannot accept the obvious and brutal nature of Pac Mans loss and the GREATNESS of his opponent who labored in his shadow, working to be stronger, he was ANGRIER, HUNGRIER and ready to capitalize on Mannys mistakes… When the moment appear Marquez struck like a Panther and the skill and precision were a sight to behold..

Posted December 10, 2012 5:23 pm 


i was sayin a prime manny or anyone in the division wouldve been dropped just the same had they been hit with that punch movin into it

Posted December 10, 2012 5:18 pm 


I think that it is clear that Pacquiao must have picked the wrong god, and that’s why he lost the fight. I’m not sure what religion Marquez is. I’d guess he is Catholic as he’s from Mexico. Manny is evangelical, so it could be that God is Catholic. Or God could be another religion entirely if Marquez is atheist, because it stands to reason that God would get madder at someone who worships the wrong one than at someone who doesn’t worship at all.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:12 pm 


Right on the button…. to top that Pacman fought a drained Cotto and a drained De La Hoya… Where as Mayweather fought them both where Pacman would never dare to step at 154 Lbs.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:09 pm 


as far as punch resistance getting worse for manny im not too sure that punch that marquez threw wouldve knocked manny out at any point in his career or anyone else in the division especially moving into it the way he was people look into things like this way too much tryin to find reasons or excuses he simply got caught by a well timed punch it happens i think manny still has some good performances left in him as does marquez we are all lucky to be around during this great series of fights boxers like these two are great for the sport and the reason i first became a fan i do completely respect fmj’s boxing skills with his superb defense but you are kidding urself if u really believe he has never avoided fighters that threaten him losing his 0 he doesnt fight often enough and dont think if put in the situation would b willing to put it all on the line like these two have done in the ring

Posted December 10, 2012 5:09 pm 


Its nice how you come up saying that Bradley’s fight should have awarded to Pacman and how he beat Marquez 2X… First you state the facts but than hint away from it with Bradley.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:02 pm 


The Blame goes on Marquez’s fist and Pacquiao,s face .

Posted December 10, 2012 5:00 pm 


What the Hell is the writer talking about… If you want to bring God into this than it was God’s will that had Juan Manuel Marquez’s (JMM) right hook on Manny’s face… Maybe God said, you know (JMM), l tried to show them the nice way that you won all three fights but if the fan wants thunder, than thunder they should have, and “WHAM” that’s when it landed in Pacquiao’s face and left everyone in shock. Thank God that mighty Pac-Man was OK afterwards but Pacquiao’s fan don’t have a comeback on what to say, blame or start looking for answer in the heavens.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:53 pm 


Thanks Malachi, we just witnessed a slice of boxing history and guys are more concerned about blood, piss and excrement it baffles me…Marquez did not have to apply for a license to KTFO Manny Pacquiao….Marquez never got the respect he was due that was why idiots had him as a 7-1 underdog against Pac last time, he earned his respect by being so singleminded of purpose it was scary… He beat Manny because it is literally all the man thinks, and talks about…The guy is an inspiration!! How many of us would have just given up… The old mans nose was broken, he was getting hit, but he set that right hand up and forced the detractors to call him an ATG….

Posted December 10, 2012 4:47 pm 


Who’s to blame? That’s boxing for you. Pacman was clearly dominating him on that round until that perfectly timed counter. Best fight I’ve seen in years back and forth from the 1st round.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:45 pm 


what a load of rubbish! Only 2 people to blame: Marquez for throwing a perfectly timed counter-punch and Pacquaio himself for walking onto it. No one else is too blame. Well done Marquez and Pacquaio for a great fight. Best man won on the night …. wouldnt mind a fifth. Great rivalry.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:35 pm 


A right hook to the chin was to blame, Did anyone get the plate number on that truck lol,,,,

Posted December 10, 2012 4:20 pm 


People say Marquez has hit Pacman like that before. NO HE HASN’T. That was the cleanest punch at close range to Pacman’s face possible. He has never caught Pacman as clean as that. It would have knocked out anybody at the weight class. Period.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:09 pm 


Mayweather’s next opponent, Martinez, Pacquiao and I want to add Marquez to that list but I guarantee he wont fight none of these fighters. All three would ,make huge money, fans will like to see these fights, plus Marquez’s value has gone up. (From a Pac fan)

Posted December 10, 2012 3:54 pm 


Folks,Marquez stated CLEARLY before the fight that he WILL NOT let this fight be decided by the PEDman-lovin judges and take matters on his own hands…AMEN!!

Posted December 10, 2012 3:41 pm 


Until JMM tests +ve for PEDs leave out the childish speculation. He took matters into his own hands and beat Pac down, it was an incredible career defining acheivement and anybody trying to demean that should take a long look at what they have (or haven’t) acheived in their lives.

Like all the religious bleating this article is ridden with it’s a prove it or STFU moment. In both cases – STFU.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:15 pm 


listen paqs defeat was a combation of hard fights he being a slight decline in his last 2 fights jmm went for power over speed and was paying the price for it till mannny fxxxxed up and was countered perfectly stop dissing a grt fighter and a grt fight with all this talk of peds manny got koed get over it,and the poster saying he showing more power than ever doh he was weighting training for explosive power hence he was stronger but also a lot slower.iam 31 and weight trained and boxed for many yrs but qnce i stared to bulk up through weights i slowed down but my punch power was stroner because i weighed more no peds just diffrent training methods

Posted December 10, 2012 3:12 pm 


peds didn’t help Berto, Vargas, Tarver, Toney etc…..age , too many wars or lack of real talent was their down fall and not even steroids could help them…..props to Marquez ,or any fighter that has the will to improve and do their best for every fight

Posted December 10, 2012 3:02 pm 


Of course it is, Marquez NEVER maxed out his physical potential because he spent the bulk of his career dieting down and trying to make 130 or 135, he changed his routine… As of today I CANNOT run a marathon or even a half Marathon…. But I am confident that with training I would be able to exceed my prior personal best… Marquez focused on strength and gaining lean muscle, he had millions, unlimited time to devote, a coach and the will to do it…. Face Facts PED’s are not needed to become stronger…And he did not look faster to me at all, if anything Manny looked alot quicker blow for blow, but as per usual Marquez exploits mistakes better than ANYONE not named Floyd Mayweather Jr…. Diaz, Katsidis, Casamayor, Barrera, Pacquiao….. JMM is a GREAT fighter with more motivation than most of these newbies…39 still living the life of an elite fighter… God Bless!!

Posted December 10, 2012 2:48 pm 


sred…’s even easier for an athlete to gain mass since their body is already used to working out and they have very little fat…no peds needed…Manny ran into a bomb…almost anyone would have kayoed him…no mystery about it

Posted December 10, 2012 2:25 pm 


If Marquez was going to cheat would he go get an OBVIOUS guy to do it with?? Heredias past is dark but the odds of Marquez risking his legacy with this type of scrutiny is LOW…. People have been saying the same crap about Manny for years because they cannot accept the results…. We have seen many guys get busted but neither Pac, nor Marquez EVER have both guys deserve the respect due Champions and winners till proven otherwise… Stop whining because JMM damn near killed Paquiao, he walked STRAIGHT into a perfect shot, and NO PED can make you a more skilled fighter.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:21 pm 


You guys must be the WORST couch potatoes on the planet… Gaining muscle mass has been going on since the beginning of time… Marquez was late to the party and always went for the traditional boxers physique… Realizing he was fighting a guy who had gotten bigger he got a strength coach and devoted himself to getting stronger and better able to handle business at 147… I am 42 and putting on muscle at this age is easier in some ways because I don’t just burn it off like I did in my youth… No excuses are going to save Mannys reputation, he got badly destroyed by a fighter pushing 40…. Accept it, by all accounts he has!!

Posted December 10, 2012 2:18 pm 


Google Angel Heredia history of PED. This guy has a pro rap sheet for Performance Enchancement Drugs

Posted December 10, 2012 2:03 pm 


Juan Maneul PEDquez has unbelievable power in that fight more so than Cotto did. people say a perfect timed punch but Pacman recieved that same punch before. This time PEDquez had a new kind ofpower

Posted December 10, 2012 2:01 pm 


who can you blame? Nobody, Manny’s style is what made him famous, the only time he tried to box ( against Bradley) he got robbed and made a boring fight… maybe time is the blame…..just as when Floyd’s downfall comes, no one will be to blame, only time, that is if he continues fighting anyone of any consequence…..

Posted December 10, 2012 1:46 pm 


Biggest loser is Arum. Why? Well because he will be the promoter who’s legacy states he never made the biggest fight in boxing. What a fool. Everyone should be happy with Marquez and Pacquiaos careers because they always bring their best effort and lay it on the line. Also nice to see Pac being a good sport and gracious loser.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:36 pm 


The only reason why Marquez would not be a worthy opponent to Mayweather is size difference, and you know it. And if you analyze Pacquiao’s record you will easily find how much of a cherrypicker he has been. Manny would fight title bouts against guys coming from bad results (Morales x 3, Larios, Barrera, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, Cotto), guys who did not even belong to the weight division the fight was agreed upon (Larios, a bantamweight, faced Manny at superfeatherweight; Solis made his debut at superfeatherweight against Pacquiao; ODLH, a then-light middleweight, went down to welterweight to face Pacquiao; Marquez had to move up to welterweight…); convenient catchweights (Cotto had to go down to 145, Margarito to 150); down-the-hill opponents (Morales 2 & 3; DL, Margarito, Mosley), or just nobodies who would not belong in a world championship bout (Fashan 3K Battery, Hector Velazquez, David Diaz). Consider most of these are actual world title fights, and you will notice the big issue.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:25 pm 

Pacturds are crying

Funny because the one who bulked up more since the lat time they met was Manny. After four full months of strength training and weight lifting, Marquez weighed-in only 0.450 kilograms heavier than a year ago, while Manny Pacroids was a full 4 pounds of muscle heavier. Who is on roids then? Let us remember the one who has grown through 9 (NINE) weight division is Manny. And Marquez did not show more power; Manny was reckless and open for punishment, probably because of his urgency of settling things once and for all. Marquez bet on that, exposing his own integrity. Marquez never had a chance before to land such a heavy punch on an incoming Pacquiao before. It was Manny’s and his corner’s fault. By the way, Marquez has ALWAYS been open to drug testing as long as his opponents oblige.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:04 pm 

Mike J

I totally agree with you and Im not doubting or belittling any of Pacman’s accomplishments…how could I think that and call myself a fan of the sport?!?! What Im saying is that aside from his 4 fights with JMM, how many good counterpunchers has Pacman fought? All Im saying is Roach has always known that to be Pacman’s weakness and he never corrected it.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:58 pm 

Pacturds are crying

Floy will make those 100 million by fighting against canelo and Maravilla. JMM is not on roids. You are a Pctard crybaby. FU.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:58 pm 


For starters, Marquez is hardly a welterweight, while Mayweather is already a natural light middleweight. THAT is the most important difference between them. Marquez was unable to hurt Mayweather back in 2009 because Mayweather was far bigger.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:55 pm 


Mike, the ONLY guy to EVER dominate JMM was Mayweather so he is NOT a good proxy for Manny not be able to handle a superb boxer… Before Sat he put Marquez on his seat 4 times and booked 2 wins no matter what the opinion….Roach was NOT going to turn Manny into Floyd Mayweather Jr, he did the BEST possible with the gifted fighter he had… If winning titles in a SOLID 7 divisions, being named Fighter of the Decade, beating Hatton, ODH, Morales 2x, Marquez 2X, Cotto, Clottey, Margo (should have been Bradley) and the rest equals a BAD career then show me a GOOD one…. Over the past 10 years only Mayweather has shown more excellence and he probably had half the fights Pacquiao did…. Manny and Roach rose to the top together unfortunately the ONLY place to go from there is down… Happens to all of them

Posted December 10, 2012 12:51 pm 


Manny Pacquiaos assets gave him one of the GREATEST careers boxing has ever seen and its easy to pile on now and pretend its a farce… RJJ endured the same nonsense when his time came to fall…. Reality is that had Manny fought like someone else he would NOT have been as lethal, exciting, rich or famous… Marquez was the ONLY guy in a decade to REALLY make him pay for that style and it came 60 fights into his career… So be it but alas he was and is a GREAT fighter who was knocked COLD by another GREAT fighter… He participated in a 4 fights series that will be considered one of the GREATEST rivalries boxing has ever seen…. Gatti/Ward, Holy/Bowe, Ali/Frazier but Manny and Marquez were unique in that neither was EVER able to truly dominate the other despite differing opinions… That all changed on Saturday and they BOTH layed it on the line and when the smoke cleared JMM took all the marbles….History!!

Posted December 10, 2012 12:47 pm 

Mike J

Is the title of this article serious????? FREDDIE ROACH is the one to blame for this loss. For Pacman’s entire career, he NEVER learned to deal with a good boxer who was also good counterpuncher…thats Roach’s fault. THAT his why Pacman never fought guys like Zahir Raheem and Joan Guzman and Nate Campbell way back at 130 and 135. THAT is why he can never dominate a fighter like JMM, regardless of the weight. THAT is why Roach has ALWAYS been hesitant about a fight with Mayweather. Roach even said himself that they convincingly have to beat JMM before they fight Mayweather. At the end of the day, Pacman walked into a counter right hand after JMM partially slipped his jab…how fitting that Pacman got knocked out due to the biggest glaring weakness in fight game.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:45 pm 


Floyd lost 100 million not fighting Pac JM Mariod won by PEDS. All losers in this

Posted December 10, 2012 12:06 pm 

te tumbo

Floyd was too smart to adopt Pacquiao’s* fight-plan v. Marquez. Pacquiao* was determined to improve upon a scorecard nod with a KO, which meant disregarding Marquez’s offensive ability and applying relentless pressure for the intentional KO. it was a hUUUge miscalculation by Team Pacquiao* that Marquez predictablfy exploited. after all, “Dinamita’s” entire fight-plan was to confidently wait for Pacquiao* to provide an opening that he could explode upon and “BOOM!”. as anticipated, Pacquiao’s* aggressive strategy provided plenty of opportunities for a master and lethal counterpuncher like Marquez to exploit. conversely, Mayweather showed ample respect even while patiently outclassing the overmatched Marquez. instead of a spectacular KO statement, Mayweather was satisfied with simply leveraging all of his advantages to craft a dominant UD. unfortunately, Pacquiao* lacks the #1 P4P boxing skills to perform this feat and must default to being the single-fisted, one-dimensional albeit lethal puncher that he’s always been. no surprises there. bottomline, Pacquiao* is no master boxer-puncher, resulting in a predictable fight-plan that Marquez had an entire year to prepare for. if anything, the results vindicate the boring but dominant “W” by Mayweather who knows that firepower is not the preferred way to defuse a pile of “Dinamita”.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:00 pm 


How is Mayweather liable for the abuse that other fighters are not able to defend against? His defense is one of HIS assets and the fact that he does not invite punishment is a net positive for his career… Guys who take alot of shots are somewhat the norm depending on opponent… Guerrero had to win his fight the hard way who’s fault is that? There is only ONE FMJ and he cannot be faulted for staying in shape and avoiding wars…

Posted December 10, 2012 11:46 am 


Who’s to blame? Marquez’s fist and ring intelligence!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 11:21 am 


Rapid, we vigorously disagree Floyd Mayweather would have a field day with Marquez who was in deep trouble despite his magnificience against Pacquiao… Floyd never employed his strength against Marquez, he used his reach, speed and superior skills… Marquez was ALWAYS close to being able to defeat Pacquiao and he did what it took (bulked up) to finally get over the hump…. At 39 years old he is NOT going to figure out the Mayweather riddle, he lost horribly and he might be stronger but he is NOT a better boxer than he was then…He always had Mannys number, don’t let Saturday night fool you into thinking he will EVER have Mayweathers…If Marquez is smart he will either fight Pac Man or Bradley for BIG money or he will retire… Facing Mayweather means humiliation..

Posted December 10, 2012 11:20 am 

Kid Blast

That’s not math; that’s logic! :)

Posted December 10, 2012 10:50 am 


The math is that when Fairweather boxed Marquez, he was a) himself over the weight limit, and b) Marquez was hilariously undertrained, soft, and unathletic because both of lack of training and being without his “nutrionist” Angel “Balco” Heredia.

Posted December 10, 2012 10:45 am 

Kid Blast

JMM’s body has taken a beating. Floyd has stayed lean and mean. That’s one of the great advantages of using long time intervals between fights. Maywether is as shrewd as a fox. Gurrero’s body took a terrible pounding against Berto and now he is ripe for Maywether’s picking. It’s what he does.

JMM waxes Pac. Mayweather schools JMM. Do the math!

Posted December 10, 2012 10:37 am 


guess it couldn’t be Pac running chin first into a bomb, which happens to “DOUBLE” the power of the punch!
Pac will be fine, if he chooses he will fight again, the OP needs to step back from the ledge.

Posted December 10, 2012 10:28 am 


SREDMOND….I think a Mayweather Marquez rematch might be a little closer than you think. Not saying JMM would win..just that it would be closer than the first. JMM obviously has more size, strength, and power now vs when he first climbed 2 full weight classes to fight Floyd. And, even the hard core Mayweather fan has got to notice that Floyd has slowed down, slipped a bit if you will, he’s getting hit with shots he never used to, Cotto wasn’t a speedster, and he got to Floyd. A second match will be far from a sparring session.

Posted December 10, 2012 10:22 am 

Supremem Court

The writer is a Filipino who has spent time misleading boxing readers about Pacquiao….
He is hurting, whinning, lamenting , hence this pathetic philosophical religious slouch essay….

Posted December 10, 2012 10:16 am 


“Who’s to blame for Pacquiao’s loss to Marquez” PEDS !!!

Posted December 10, 2012 10:14 am 


How on planet earth could Marquez exceed Mayweather P4P when Floyd did not let Marquez win a SINGLE round of the fight and if they fought again the outcome would be the same?? Money aside I seriously doubt that Marquez would want to take the shine off this AMAZING victory by fighting a guy who would make him look like short sparring partner….

Posted December 10, 2012 10:13 am 


What a silly article!! The ONLY person to “blame” is Juan Manuel Marquez who perfectly timed Pacquiao and knocked him into kingdom come…This is boxing and it has happened before and it will happen again… All this Monday Morning Quarterbacking is childish, JMM was intent on NOT going anywhere and when he saw the opening he threw a piledriver straight into Mannys face and thats all she wrote….Pac Man beat the best fighters in the world, became an international superstar, and filthy rich by being aggressive and fan friendly trying to ding him for being what he has always been is childish…

Posted December 10, 2012 10:09 am 


congratz, marquez. with PEDs dealer heredia around…i hope you’re clean

Posted December 10, 2012 10:04 am 


I hope Marquez Pacquiao 5 happens, it can be worth more than 100m. Mayweather can smell his finger now. Mayweather is no longer pound for pound best, but Marquez is!

Posted December 10, 2012 9:41 am 


the better guy one and set the record straight. marquez will go down as greater than packy. all part of the fight game. two old warriors went at it for a great fight and a decisive outcome. too bad so many other matches are avoided. high marks to both guys for following thru. where is floyd?

Posted December 10, 2012 9:38 am 


Everyone should take steroids and knock everyone out. If steroids are that good no criminal will approach you. “Steroidman”

Posted December 10, 2012 9:31 am 


“Who’s to blame for Pacquiao’s loss to Marquez” hhhhhmmm maybe the power-bomb overhand right that crunched into his chin.

Posted December 10, 2012 9:25 am 


lol “whos to blame” now thats funny…. it surely couldnt be Marquez FIST naw had to be something else.

Posted December 10, 2012 9:12 am 


This article is laughably stupid. When two men throw punches at each other eventually someone’s going to get hit. Jesus was just as surprised as the rest of us.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:50 am 


I blame Casey Stoner.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:38 am 


Simple: it’s JMM.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:37 am 


ALL those who SAID that I only take the Favorite eat Crow Mignon AGAIN!!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 8:17 am 


Manny didn’t take MY advice to not pressure Marquez and that’s why he got knocked out. YOU don’t pressure a precision counter puncher. YOU pot shot him like Mayweather DID.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:16 am 

[email protected]

Love-the-Sport, stop hating! It’s not good for you!

Posted December 10, 2012 8:13 am 


Manny tried frenetically to knock Marquez out and got caught. He was winning the fight up until the end. Credit to Marquez who kept his cool and took the chance that was offered.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:11 am 


This article and author are creepy and weird. Manny Pacquiao is not Jesus Christ. Manny Pacquiao is not perfect. This is not Manny Pacquiao’s first loss. This is not Manny Pacquiao’s first loss under Freddie Roach. Manny Pacquiao lost to Erik Morales in a fight where Morales exposed Pacquiao as being too wild and too left-handed focused. Manny came back to beat Morales in 2 subsequent fights — but this is where the “rumors” about Manny Pacquiao and the “help” he was getting actually started. No one really knows who Manny Pacquiao really is … what we know is not perfect. We know that there have been “rumors” about Pacquiao for years. We know that the first three fights with Marquez where close. So, the idea that Marquez comes into this fight and knocks out and older version of Pacquiao is not surprising and it does not mean the apocalypse or end of times or some weird end of the world. You guys are weird. It was just a fight. These guys are trying to punch each other in the face as hard as possible. Anything can happen. People get knocked out.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:08 am 


Pacquiao got STOPPED just as I predicted!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 8:04 am 

peach of a punch

religion is a fraud

Posted December 10, 2012 8:01 am 


Angel Hereida (PED Supplier to Olympians) not have been involved in any way. Angel He saved his ass by snitching out others in the BALCO scandal, and even stated how he did it, and how there were plenty of ways to mask the them. I know JMM fans are roaming the streets still salivating after the KO, but using this guy shouldn’t have been allowed. He was busted by the Federal Government, so why allow this guy into a sport? JMM never had power like this. before and never had his upper torso shredded like did. Boxing needs to have the most thorough testing around or guys can possibly cheat. If JMM tested clean then so be it. He won, and should get credit, but it’s high suspect watching him train live at different camps. Mariods is noticeably bigger for a guy that was smaller than Manny before. His power was a heavyweights not a welterweight. lets see the test results asap

Posted December 10, 2012 7:45 am 

tumles on the move

Mariods fits the bill on JMM perfectly

Posted December 10, 2012 7:09 am 


Man it took JMM 4 fights to beat manny. The Angel acussation is on key !!!!!!!! Mariods fits JMM perfectly. It took a dirty PED dealer and pump up a old againg fighter to beat Pac man, SAD

Posted December 10, 2012 6:06 am 

joes diner in law

Mariods was getting beat by Pacman before Marquez thre that devasting KO credited by Angel Heredia

Posted December 10, 2012 5:45 am 


thanks Ray Ray

Posted December 10, 2012 5:30 am 


Seriously you blokes that bang on about drug theories , and using this and that because you all know who’s using a ped don’t watch the fight ,piss off and cut the grass do something that makes the mrs happy

Posted December 10, 2012 5:29 am 

Ray Ray

Noel (pomy) couldn’t agree more. Let’s here about what went right 4 Marquez, stop making and or looking 4 excuses 4 manny getting KO’d. Went went wrong there is Mannys defence or lack there of. He has always been hit alot and it was only a matter of time b4 some1 got him In the sweet spot with 1 he didn’t c coming. Congrates JMM great win

Posted December 10, 2012 5:13 am 


…and besides,Marquez always had this guy’s number;he knows how to time him perfectly and counter him effectively before and after PEDman initiates his attack.Notice how in each and every fight these two fought,Marquez seldom initiates the offensive and let PEDman do his “jumpy 1,2,3” and then nails him with straight right hands just when he’s about to do or finish such predictable & sometimes wild attack?…like i said before,Marquez knows PEDman like an old book,thus the net result!!

Posted December 10, 2012 5:10 am 


PEDman: 0 for 2 since fighting “clean”…that’s the blame!!

Posted December 10, 2012 5:02 am 


Marquez and his team have spotted a weakness with Manny, any coincidence he was knocked down both times with a big right.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:01 am 


… So instead of focusing on what went wrong for Pacquaio – why not do an article on what went right for Marquez?

Posted December 10, 2012 4:48 am 


A perfectly timed counter-punch from Marquez is the only thing anyone can blame for the defeat. Pacquaio is / has been a great fighter over the years …… but i have news for you: he is only a man and ever man a capable of being knocked out.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:47 am 


Who’s to blame for… allowing this weak half baked article to be posted on this website?

Posted December 10, 2012 4:39 am 


This Article is stpid,typicslly when a fighter who is elevated to elite status there seems to be an expectation that they walk on water rather than being the same as any other fghter,suceptible to punches!! Manny pacquiao tactics is that he throws the double jab whils moving in past your shoulder, he does this to take away your ability to throw, however Marquez having fought him 3 times prior kmows him, Marquez just threw in anticipation,kind of like the Garcia punch that put Khan on the canvas. It is Boxinmg and one punch can change a fight, no excuses or blame,I think that people read too much into these things, he is still a great fighter who got beat by a legend.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:32 am 


This article asks a silly question to ask: There is only one thing to blame Pacquaio’s loss and that is Mexican fighter called Marquez knocking him out

Posted December 10, 2012 4:19 am 

George Bush Intercontinental Airport

“Read my lips: no new taxes”

Posted December 10, 2012 3:44 am 

George bush

Ps man lost cause he found out his taxes are going to be raised 50 percent so Obama voters can be day Obama phone

Posted December 10, 2012 2:41 am 


Great fight by two great fighters…Give them credit..All 4 fights have been fought in a brutal fashion..I would love to see a 5th match..,to decide it all..Marquez i fell has won 3 out of the 4..He is a great boxer and i was disappointed that PBF handled him so easily..

Posted December 10, 2012 2:24 am 


the answer to all of those “whys” is simple……

he got caught with a perfect right hand from Marquez.

this has absolutely NOTHING to do with his new lifestyle……it’s not like GOD was on HIS side and NOT on Marquez’ side….

this is just part of the game…..he got a bit careless and you can’t do that against Marquez because you’ll pay the price, and that, he did………

Posted December 10, 2012 2:19 am 


This article is deep really deep. I can attest to what the author says. Hope carries one through things that you have no control over.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:05 am 


Oops! I meant to say “Two things will kill a pilot….those same two things will also “kill” a boxer.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:54 am 


Who’s to blame for Pacman’s loss to Marquez? Manny Pacquiao. The one and only. Two things will kill a pilot: Carelessness and complacency. Pacquiao displayed both in his last two fights. When Marquez realized he could time and catch Pac with meaningful powershots, he decided to put on some muscle to make those powershots definitive. But, had Pacquiao not thrown caution and common sense to the wind, he would not have been clobbered. Marquez could capitalize on Pacquiao’s mistakes only if Pacquiao kept making them. He did. Marquez did. KO.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:53 am 


Mariods beat the pac man. Anybody see the juice stick stab wounds in Mariods arm ?

Posted December 10, 2012 1:30 am 

George Bush Intercontinental Airport

S hitt Romney

Posted December 10, 2012 1:26 am 


Yeah well what they call that is um sweat and vasaline.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:18 am 


shiny skin is a classic sign of steroid use. See pacquiao vs other opponents he dominated vs against marquez. Also marquez skin was shiny this time yet not the others.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:15 am 


How many boxers have actually been caught using ped’s (not cannabis or cocaine)? I don’t think it’s done a lot, because it can actually kill you in this sport. Anyway, great fight! Manny has been over the hill since the Cotto fight and should retire. JMM? Probably the indestructible one, but even he shouldn’t be very, very careful…

Posted December 10, 2012 12:54 am 


God Bless you MARQUEZ I guess you had to take matters into your own hands. No judges could ROB you that night. Congratulations my MEXICAN hero.And BOxadamerous You the MAN GREAT CALL

Posted December 10, 2012 12:54 am 


ha ha ha

Posted December 10, 2012 12:52 am 


I am starting to think maybe Pacquiao stopped juicing the nearer a fight with Mayweather was getting. it would explain the recent lack luster performances and his sudden lack of punch resistance.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:50 am 


JMM only weighed one more pound than last year at the weigh in for this fight. Manny weighed in at his most ever. Seems like Manny was more likely on PED’s. Ped comments make no sense.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:35 am 


Steriods does wonders. Got Marquez a knock out

Posted December 10, 2012 12:32 am 


I wonder what has religion to do with it?! What makes you think God would give a damn to mortals game? You obviously see Pac winning but not Dinamita! If Pac’s team figured out how to deal with Marquez’s technique, how do you think Marquez’s team are doing?! When it comes to ring IQ Pac’s no match for Marquez! Don’t get me wrong I’m a Filipino and I love Pac to win as much as you do, but I am also a boxing fan! I’m just saying, nobody calls the guy Dinamita for nothing!

Posted December 10, 2012 12:31 am 

Sal .O

You hit it right on the button ZKO ,,,That punch was a well time punch ,,Pacquiao was rushing in and Marquez put all his might into it ,, bang ,,Knock out !!!

Posted December 10, 2012 12:31 am 

The Best!

Whos to blame? I would say Marquez’s Fist.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:30 am 


marquez is clean he beat pac multiple times and got robbed and hurt pac before.the punch to knock him out was would have kod anyone it was timing.funny how people were saying pac was juicing then when he gets kod the other guy

Posted December 10, 2012 12:25 am 


In my view, Pac’s loss is a result of Marquez and his coach having the right game plan, at the right time. They understood the counter-punching style was the reason for previous losses because the fights were close and Pac was viewed as the aggressor. Their only chance to win was to KO Pac and this was possible because Pac lunges in. Did you see how short and compact that punch Marquez threw was? Yet Marquez put his entire body into that punch. They must have been practicing that right hand. Throughout the fight, Marquez was OK with Pac out-working and out-landing him because he was searching for the KO. Roach was aware of the need to address Marquez’s right hand, which was effective last fight due to how Marquez moved and positioned himself. Yet, Roach and Pac was not able to avoid it this fight. I believe the result was not that of a lucky punch… it was a very well calculated plan that was very well executed.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:24 am 


39 years old with more power, muscles and reflexive capacities can only mean PEDS, whether delivered via transdermal gel (now the prefered way with testo to mask suppression by designer anabolics), injectable (epo, which must be tested on JMM stored urine samples), or parenteral……one look at JMM transformation is presumptive evidence of PEDS, his performance is practically proof of it.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:22 am 


I would not give pac a rematch either.he made 25 million to marquez 3 million,thats bs,you would think after 3 fights it would be at least 50/50 since it takes both fighters to make it happen.marquez should take 25 million to pacs 3 million in 5th or just let him think about that ko for the rest of his life.marquez should hang it up and walk away at the peak of his career.unless mayweather can offer him over 15 million for rematch in which may actually makes the weight,may would still win though.marquez would only make about 1 million fighting the rest of the guys out there

Posted December 10, 2012 12:20 am 

Jimmy Z

How many syringe injections des it take for Juan to KO Pacman ? answer who knows ask Juans Marquezs liver lol

Posted December 10, 2012 12:16 am 


Who’s to blame????????????????? nobody…. why not just to give credit to JMM and say that justice has been done. Pac was never better/superior to JMM. Pactards, your time is up.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:15 am 


this is ridiculous!Marquez clearly has pacmans number.He got up 3 times in first fight and won almost every round in that one to get a draw.He won the second fight after getting dropped by 2 to 3 rounds and got hit with a penalty towards the end of fight for a low blow that was clearly a body shot that hurt pac,and lost the split decision.3rd fight was a travesty marquez won that won easy and got robbed.He went in this fight to ko pac,or he would get jerked.The first knockdown came from the body work he was putting in and when he feinted to body pac dropped the elbow for perfect right.Marquez got dropped but it was off balance he got hurt when his nose got bloodied,but his head was still in the game.He was stting up that final punch for 3 fights.pac loves the 1-2 way too much and he timed it perfect.pac might have won some battles by robbery but marquez won the war.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:13 am 


Angel Heredia a Balco lab specialist dealer = a JMM win

Posted December 10, 2012 12:10 am 


Just realize that it had nothing to do with steroids or did it? Maybe pacquiao stopped using peds for his last 4 fights . His punch resistance is not what it used to be. He ran into the perfect punch. Anyone in his position would have resulted in the same outcome. This is boxing and one punch can change everything.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:09 am 


The reason why a man who stands as a living witness to god got knocked out is because god doesn’t exist. Have you ever considered that that is a more convincing explanation than “god moving is mysterious ways”?

Posted December 10, 2012 12:07 am 

Sal .O

There is no one to blame except mother nature ,,, age takes its course on every one ,,Pacquiao has certainly slow down from where he once was ..All them wars he had with Erik Morales ,,,Marquez ,, all the hard training takes a toll on your body ..

Posted December 10, 2012 12:05 am 


What a great fighter Pacquiao is, or use to be ,, but this is why i rate Roberto Duran above all the fighters ,,because he was able to change his style of fighting once his speed and power left him ,,he turn into an intelligent ,tricky and counter punching fighter to win more titles …Something Pacquiao ,, Sugar Ray Leonard, Joe Frazier ,,Mosley ..etc could not do…..

Posted December 9, 2012 11:53 pm 

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George W. Bush

Posted December 9, 2012 11:42 pm 


Viva Mexico!!!!! with that said , i love watching Pacquiao fight ,he is one of my all time favorites ,,but “Jack Dempsey ” is correct Pacquiao style of fighting gets you worn out faster then the normal ,counter punching fighter ..Explosive fighters like Tyson ,,Frazier ..etc..have shorter careers then technical fighters ,,Pacquiao is worn out ….Sad but true..

Posted December 9, 2012 11:41 pm 

james barcelona

I would hold judgment on Marquez until the results of the urine and blood samples are made public! If marquez won nice and clean then, I salute him!Mexicans and Filipinos will admire him! But if he needed to juice up just to beat Pacquiao,then he would go down in history as the most shameful boxer ever!

Posted December 9, 2012 11:36 pm 


Because time has a way of taking time…

Posted December 9, 2012 11:35 pm 


for the sanity of adults who don’t believe in 2000 year old fairy tales, let’s keep religion off this site and out of boxing.

Posted December 9, 2012 11:35 pm 

hook to the body

ok more excuses get over it he got put to sleep

Posted December 9, 2012 11:34 pm 


There’s no one to blame ,,Pacquiao is getting old ,he is worn out ,,his style of fighting wears him out more then a conventional boxer ,,hard fighting explosive type of fighters get old faster then counter punchers ..

Posted December 9, 2012 11:32 pm 


I blame Khan, Roach was to busy dividing his time amongst Pac and Khan which took away from his ability to get Pac completely ready. Damn you Khan

Posted December 9, 2012 11:23 pm 

The Prince

I see what you did here. An article for the crying Pactards. How kind of you… I guess.

Posted December 9, 2012 11:19 pm 


Why not blame 0bama. 0bama has been doing nothing but blaming Bush and others for all of his screwups – let’s start blaiming that SOB for a change.

Posted December 9, 2012 11:19 pm 


because life sucks and isnt fair

Posted December 9, 2012 11:14 pm 


Did Pacquiao throw one Body Punch the entire fight? If not, then thats your answer

Posted December 9, 2012 11:13 pm 

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