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The focus is all on Floyd because Pacquiao isn’t holding up the fight… He has given in to ALL Floyd’s demands to call his bluff… and a bluffer Floyd is — .50 is right on that score but the pressure is ramping up on Floyd from every sector.

Floyd doesn’t want Lara… doesn’t want Garcia… doesn’t want Pacquiao… Too risky to his “O.”

“You see… Bob Arum is somebody I don’t want…” Right Floyd.

Posted March 8, 2014 6:02 pm 


CRACkquaio running now, ever since lance armstrong got busted.
He wants the fifth outside the U.S. He knows if the fifth fights take place here, there will be blood testing 24/7 and he wont be to take EPO. Which
is what made lance armstrong great, 7 time world champion. mmm It sounds familiar crackquaio 8 weight class division.

Posted January 18, 2013 8:16 pm 

Paul Tshehla

Marquez juiced? no way, juiced is the perfect over hand right that was delivered with authority, and all the power from behind Marquez shoulder, it landed flush on Pacquiao’s face [Pacquiao actually collided with the punch] nothing more and nothing less. Just take a look at the picture.

Posted December 18, 2012 5:53 am 


His new name is…. Noquiao.

Posted December 13, 2012 3:32 am 


im not saying marquez was on steriods but read a intreview where angel hereida says he can beat any drug test even the olimpic drug testing so we will never know

Posted December 12, 2012 3:27 pm 


You can be equally clean,but,you can’t be equally doped….

Posted December 11, 2012 4:17 am 


Is it “Pac-man” or “Whack-man”??

Posted December 11, 2012 4:14 am 

te tumbo

i believe that both fighters were equally-doped or equally-clean, which means it was a fair and even contest that resulted in Marquez planting Pacquiao’s* face into the canvas. That is what I believe.

Posted December 11, 2012 3:57 am 


yes, but not of him totally but rather the mode of invincabuility manny was in. I lost alot of respct for Floyd because he is not aa peoples champion. A true champ will give the people what they want, when it came to Manny Floyd had nothing but BS excuses…olympic drug testing? Who the hell does he think he is? If the boxing commision says your good, your good! this is a worrior sport!! Then when Manny finally conceeds to give the people what they want Floyd just has even more he wants most of the money as if Manny just got his belt. Manny was a TRUE WORRIOR CHAMPION WITH WITH MULTIBLE TITLE DEFENSES, wheres the respect between champions? Floyd knew those conditions were retarded….Floyd fans just face it, the man was scared!!! and the funny thing is, Manny had no shot at matching Floyds skillset, Floyd wouldve made Manny look really young, no way could he beat Floyd.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:31 am 


reading skills have nothing to do with you making several different picks on several different threads, you dumb ass. who cares who you picked you arrogant a-hole? you are FAR from the only one that picked JMM. you are no genius. if you have nothing more to add about the fight other than bragging about who you picked, f off.

Posted December 10, 2012 10:25 pm 


Those guys except for Paul Williams are all Top Rank Fighters. Do I really need to school you about Bob Arum?

Posted December 10, 2012 9:39 pm 


no floyd isnt afraid of pac any more now that he been koed by marquez ..But thats floyd thing when the big weleterweights were strong. even thou now it looks like he would have beaten them all .cant deny mayweathers talent he just wouldnt step up and take them on. Floyd went in retirement . floyd didnt fight manny, paul williams, a prime margaretto .,cotty, clotty . he is very talented but seems to play it to safe when picking his opponents. some call it smart business and boxing is a business . but to fight fans it obvious he never tested him self against the welterweights when they were at there best .if he had fought and beaten all those guys he beup with the all time greats. for now we can only guess

Posted December 10, 2012 7:38 pm 


Pactards… yall still think Floyd scared of Manny?

Posted December 10, 2012 5:37 pm 


Boxtra, trick question for you, is your IQ high enough to allow you to post anything other than perceived predictions?

Posted December 10, 2012 3:30 pm 

tim zawa

So many athletes in any sports juiced up and won without troubles. The sad thing is that we couldn’t say who is shameful.

Posted December 10, 2012 9:34 am 


You might need to get you some reading SKILLS. MY exact prediction was JMM by stoppage or PUNISHING SD…and I was CORRECT

Posted December 10, 2012 9:09 am 

peach of a punch

Boxy didnt pick a stoppage but he DID pick JMM. He is indeed an impressive fight prognosticator.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:28 am 


Manny Pacquiao got STOPPED just as I predicted!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 8:09 am 


Angel Hereida (PED Supplier to Olympians) not have been involved in any way. Angel He saved his ass by snitching out others in the BALCO scandal, and even stated how he did it, and how there were plenty of ways to mask the them. I know JMM fans are roaming the streets still salivating after the KO, but using this guy shouldn’t have been allowed. He was busted by the Federal Government, so why allow this guy into a sport? JMM never had power like this. before and never had his upper torso shredded like did. Boxing needs to have the most thorough testing around or guys can possibly cheat. If JMM tested clean then so be it. He won, and should get credit, but it’s high suspect watching him train live at different camps. Mariods is noticeably bigger for a guy that was smaller than Manny before. Mariods power was a heavyweights not a welterweight. lets see the test results asap !

Posted December 10, 2012 7:47 am 


Man it took JMM 4 fights to beat manny. The Angel acussation is on key !!!!!!!! Mariods fits JMM perfectly. It took a dirty PED dealer and pump up a old againg fighter to beat Pac man, SAD

Posted December 10, 2012 6:08 am 


Te Tumbo in one of his magnanimous moods,lordly scribbles “As long as Marquez is good enough to clear the agreed upon testing protocol he’s clean enough for me”……..what a hypocrite….For years he has bad mouthed and lied about Pacq and never once acknowledged that he be given the same level of fairness…..Duck you sucker….

Posted December 10, 2012 4:52 am 


El, is’t not uncommon for boxers to step on each other’s feet when one is a southpaw and the other is not. Watch the other Pacquiao/Marquez fights. There was a lot of that going on.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:10 am 

Jimmy Z

How many syringe injections des it take for Juan to KO Pacman ? answer who knows ask Juans Marquezs liver lol

Posted December 10, 2012 12:15 am 

james barcelona

I would hold judgment on Marquez until the results of the urine and blood samples are made public! If marquez won nice and clean then, I salute him!Mexicans and Filipinos will admire him! But if he needed to juice up just to beat Pacquiao,then he would go down in history as the most shameful boxer ever!

Posted December 9, 2012 11:43 pm 



Posted December 9, 2012 10:58 pm 

te chupo

I can’t say either fighter is clean nor juiced. I do not work on either corner, but boxing should be strongly regulated…I mean stronger regulations. These guys are exposing their lives and their oponent lives. Anyone using performance enhancing subtances or loaded wraps should be banned, fine, charged with attempted murder, and stripped from their belts. They should test for every possible subtance available and fighter should not be allowed to gaing sooo much weight overnight nor loose too much weight in the week leading to the contest. Take this from an expowerlifter and bodybuilder STEROIDS WORKS!!!…

Posted December 9, 2012 10:41 pm 


Hatton is feeling better because he is wasted right now.

Posted December 9, 2012 10:29 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Titopa everybody felt Marquez was gonna put a hurting on Pacquiao..aside from age Juan was still hungry and determine to go all out for that one win against Pacquiao to define his career in the record books..what an ending to such a great rivalry if indeed it is the end..Im so glad this fourth fight happen because the Pac/Marq story has now cemented itself not just in boxing history but in all of sports..

Posted December 9, 2012 10:29 pm 

Kid Blast

Hmm. JMM waxes Pac. Mayweather schools JMM. Do the math! :twisted:

Posted December 9, 2012 9:35 pm 

Chicago G ay

old coot is a fat old coot, he does not know this.

Posted December 9, 2012 9:31 pm 


Old Coot, it’s called weight training and proper dieting. You guys act like its impossible for someone to get stronger by doing this. Please go educate yourself

Posted December 9, 2012 9:30 pm 


Funny as hell how the PAC fans are accussing someone of using . Marquez said he was more than willing to take any test as long as PAC was doing it also and arum turned it down.

Posted December 9, 2012 9:28 pm 


El, you must be a teenage girl who’s upset her lover lost.

Posted December 9, 2012 9:23 pm 


Just maybe MayCoward will step up to the plate and fight a declining Pacquiao. He aint ready for a savage battle with a REAL WARRIOR this MayFlower.

Posted December 9, 2012 8:23 pm 


you won, now what!? so what?

Posted December 9, 2012 8:20 pm 

Old Coot

Manny has too much class to complain… But I don’t, because something just don’t seem right about this one punch KO!

So tell me how does Marquez, a guy who fought at FW & LW, MOST of his career, now at age 39, suddenly find the punching power against a guy who has fought at LWW, Welter-Weight and LMW, for the last ten plus years, to do what not even Mosley or Cotto could do, not to mention after their 3 previous fights where he barely ever staggered Pacquiao despite landing more power punches per round than in this fight. Now he KO’s him cold?! WOW!

Posted December 9, 2012 8:20 pm 


2 more wins we can call it even!

Posted December 9, 2012 8:19 pm 



Posted December 9, 2012 8:16 pm 


That punch was hardly lucky,it was a perfectly timed counter shot. Marquez’s eyes were zeroed in on an opening and BANG!!

Posted December 9, 2012 8:05 pm 


nobody cares your boy won!

Posted December 9, 2012 7:50 pm 


As far as I’m concerned Juan is clean…Until there is some proof or evidence that links him to doping this is the best win of his Hall of Fame career. I look at it this way….Juan took the necessary steps to ensure his body and mind were in peak condition for his greatest test and he came out victorious. Juan went through hell to get the win he’s been seeking all these years but the end result is all that matters. Give the man his dues. He’s worked hard…he’s bled for this sport and worked hard to reach this climactic end. The fight was an epic battle that we all are going to remember. Let’s appreciate the performance BOTH men put on. PAC was actually winning and had Juan in MAJOR trouble through out the fight…especially in the 5th round. If you look at the punch stats…PAC was the more accurate fighter..PAC was the busier fighter and PAC inflicted the most damage…..So a 5th fight as crazy as it may sound might not be that bad of an idea. Even though Juan won this one emphatically at the very end…..he wasn’t looking like a fighter who was going to end up with the “W” in the rounds before.

Posted December 9, 2012 7:34 pm 

Ray Ray

This is 2 funny. U pactards r amazing? U can put a positive spin on any thing 4 ur hero. Fact, Manny hasn’t been the same since Floyd bought it 2 every1s attention that PAC was on PEDs. Now ur accussing Marquez of the same ha ha JMM should sue him. How about blaming the loss on Mannys lake of ability 2 change his style, move, and have some kind of defence. Congrates 2 JMM he was hungry patient and smart.

Posted December 9, 2012 7:30 pm 


So what if Marquez was “buffed” for this fight?…he was just following PEDman’s diet!!

Posted December 9, 2012 7:28 pm 


Parquez has always been a counter puncher and he was not getting better, Pac just never changed, He has had the same fighting style forever and Marquez figured him out. Plain and simple. How you can accuse someone with no proof is just terrible

Posted December 9, 2012 6:43 pm 


Look….One trait of roids is the overdeveloped traps (Trapezius muscle) which our boy Marquez has. Manny got flat out clocked but lets face it..without he juice and HGH and whatever else marquez is taking, who knows how fight would have gone. I’m not saying Manny has never taken them either but you don’t get stronger and better with age gang..stop playing stupid. Marquez clearly is on something but his doctor ensured it was out of his system…nice going.

Posted December 9, 2012 6:34 pm 


floyd won’t fight jmm unless he undergoes full and random olympic style drug testing. it’s a big money fight. one jmm should want due to the thorough thrashing floyd gave him. if marquez refuses testing, then you know the man’s up to something.

Posted December 9, 2012 6:29 pm 


PEDS = JMM the great Mexican cheater !

Posted December 9, 2012 6:27 pm 

Old Coot

Juan MaMa is on them punch pellets 4 sure!

Posted December 9, 2012 6:17 pm 


…nothing wrong with a bit of gloating,trash talking & whatnot…it all adds to the flavor!!

Posted December 9, 2012 6:13 pm 

peach of a punch

bye bye iron whiner

Posted December 9, 2012 6:10 pm 


No wonder I hardly post here anymore, This use to be a great boxing site, full of REAL FIGHT FANS, who gave credit where credit was due, respect where it was earned, All I see on here is a bunch of haters sore losers and people who gloat when another great fighter gets Ko’d, Tomato Can summed it perfect when he said these two gave us the BIG Fight, I see Juan fans showing no respect for Manny who after getting dumped on his ass got up and gave Juan hell for the remainder of the round, came back to knock Juan down have him almost out on his feet the next rd and then still go after him like a warrior until Juan KO’d him, WTF can’t FIGHT FANS just enjoy what they gave us, It is sicking seeing all the Pac fans saying Juan was juiced ,Juan landed a lucky punch, or the Juan fans bashing Manny accusing him of juicing then not being on the juice, These two greats gave teh fight fans what they wanted and all we hear from both sides is crap, Fyou all you aint fight fans at all,

Posted December 9, 2012 6:02 pm 


HILLARIOUS that the pactards are accusing Marquez of PEDS to defend Manny Armstrong.Is no secret that Marquez knows how to read PEDman’s fighting style and that it’s the RIGHT HAND the preffered weapon of choice against PEDman…case closed!!

Posted December 9, 2012 6:00 pm 

Tomato Can

lol, Mitt Romney was there to see Pacquiao. He was sitting right near his corner. And Manny was Ko’d right in front of Romney, he couldn’t have got a better view of that punch landing, and Manny falling flat on his face.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:39 pm 


Marquez was trying to play psychological games with manny luring him into thinking he was cheating like roach to lure him into tests.How is a guy who aced all tests & demanded tests cheating haha.Pac trolls are butt hurt keep crying punk Marquez accepted tests your idol didn’t punk deal with it.You should be thankful tests didn’t take place,it didn’t for a reason Bobfather was protecting pacroid lol.Careful what you wish for you wanted KO you got it,You want tests?No problem go bribe Bobfathher lol.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:22 pm 


Somebody wake PEDman up and tell him is over…nice picture by the way!!

Posted December 9, 2012 5:18 pm 

me luv u long time

imagine that, a pacquiao pfan accusing another pfighter of taking steroids hahaha

Posted December 9, 2012 5:10 pm 

Star nites sleep

>>>> read Angels history man this guy is bad news. He a dealer in Peds. Marquezs body looks way different from a year ago. Angel should be banned

Posted December 9, 2012 4:56 pm 


Angel heredia has been caught with PEDS on various levels thru the years. He knows his stuff and knows about bypassing the systems. Jmm was never a one punch Ko fighter. His power is unreal now at thirty nine of age

Posted December 9, 2012 4:54 pm 

NEIL is a fraud ! (pomy)

Go crawl under the rock you came from Neil you joke of a forum poster !!!!!!! test Marq ASAP for PEDS DQ this bout ANGEL IS A FRAUD PED DEALER MARION JONES OLYMPIC RUNNER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 4:52 pm 


Nobody is buying the PED bulls++t … get over it! Find another excuse.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:34 pm 

Pac is a Bakla


Posted December 9, 2012 4:33 pm 


39 years old with more power, muscles and reflexive capacities can only mean PEDS, whether delivered via transdermal gel (now the prefered way with testo to mask suppression by designer anabolics), injectable (epo, which must be tested on JMM stored urine samples), or parenteral……one look at JMM transformation is presumptive evidence of PEDS, his performance is practically proof of it.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:10 pm 


pacquiao aged overnight here – time to hang the gloves up manny – or sack the trainer!

Posted December 9, 2012 3:55 pm 


Angel ( roid dealer ) Heredia: IGF-1 and IGF-2, epo and ATP – that stands for adenosine triphosphate, which intensifies muscle contraction.
SPIEGEL: Undetectable for testers?
Angel Heredia: Undetectable. We’ve used ointments that do not leave any traces and that enable a consistently high testosterone level in athletes. MARION JONES !!!!!!! NOW JMM

Posted December 9, 2012 3:47 pm 


waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Posted December 9, 2012 3:28 pm 

Tomato Can

These two put on 42 rounds of back and forth action all the way to the end. Every fight was in doubt, and every fight was close. I’ve never seen anything quite like it, and I’ve been following boxing for a long time. We’ve been crying for the big fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao, when the real big fight was always right in front of us. The big fight was always Marquez and Pacquiao IMO. Congratulations to both fighters, and extra congratulations to Marquez on finally getting what he wanted so bad. Well done.

Posted December 9, 2012 2:23 pm 

peach of a punch

gus is a bitter pac nut. you void it because you cant deal with the truth.

Posted December 9, 2012 2:17 pm 


Two fine athletes compete and give us one of the best and exciting fights of the century….Do we applaud them, do we show concern for the unconscious loser,does anyone feel compassion… No, Pussies can’t wait to get there licks in and let their hateful bile spill over,I think some of you are disappointed no one died…..That was a peach of a punch all the more so because Marq had his eyes closed when he threw it…we’d sell our soul to the devil to be gifted with that..There’s no proof Marq was on anything,same as Pacq,so unless you have proof you know what to do, shove it .I thought Pacq would take him out and I don’t think one punch is the decider here of the four fights….but it was definitely the decider of last night…Salud Juan….

Posted December 9, 2012 2:14 pm 


when it comes to peds, i cant really accuse jmm of bein on em. gotta give him the benefit of the doubt just like l did pacquiao. that being said, with juan discovering his new px90 physique and power at the age of 39, he might not let up til he’s 49.

Posted December 9, 2012 2:01 pm 


Angel Heredia equals PEDS. Angel has a history of this stuff

Posted December 9, 2012 1:49 pm 


rid the sport of its most corrupting element? this coming from a guy whose favorite fighter in his most favorite sport is antonio margarito

Posted December 9, 2012 1:46 pm 


te tumbo- how bout we assume that marquez was on roids just like we assumed pac was on roids. your right, these are the breaks.

Posted December 9, 2012 1:38 pm 

te tumbo

catchweights, no testing, larger purse size, preferred ring-size, Arum-filtered judges. virtually every advantage in Pacquiao’s* favor and still there are doubters of Marquez’s(?!?) credibility? (Lol) anyway, Big Props to Marquez for finally completing his mission and ridding my favorite sport of its most corrupting element . . . Viva Marquez!

Posted December 9, 2012 1:36 pm 


Maybe jmm was drinking the urine of a ped user.

Posted December 9, 2012 1:35 pm 

te tumbo

C’Monnn FIGHT AFICIONADO(?!). you’ve been defending Pacquiao’s* right to NOT be tested all these years and you are now questioning the KO win of a fighter nicknamed “Dinamita” who came in lighter than his opponent? (LoL) that is abSurd. besides, Marquez was practically taunting Team Pacquiao* with challenges of “test me if you dare. ANYtime. ANYwhere. i’ve got nothing to hide”. they didn’t dare take Marquez up on his offer making the issue moot. unless Marquez tests dirty now, we have to assume he’s clean just like we’ve had to assume about Pacquiao* (despite his suspect avoidance of improved testing) and those are the breaks. now, repeat after Me: “Viva Marquez!” . . . :twisted:

Posted December 9, 2012 1:33 pm 


JMM is definite on Steriods. I void this fight. no way can JMM hit that hard late in his career without taking something. YOu can hear his shots to the body he gave Pac.
No way No way.

Posted December 9, 2012 1:31 pm 

al bundy

pacman is done marquez should fight floyd again for 1 last payday then bow out.marquez deserves all the praise an plaudits that come his way coz no body thought he was gonna win.well done jmm you may have just bought yourself a sept 14 showdown with the pound 4 pound king fmj and a big fat paycheck 2 retire on.

Posted December 9, 2012 1:30 pm 


Fight Aficionado so you are saying that both men were on ped’s? thats cool if they are both juicer it all levels it out..and the best punch won…. you must of been laughing for yrs now pac was knocking out all these biggers guys.. i wonder why he changed his juicer before the fight with bradley…. maybe his body is building a resistance to PED….he needs tp up the dose now thats for sure

Posted December 9, 2012 1:16 pm 


Steroids win!

Posted December 9, 2012 1:14 pm 

Fight Aficionado

I LOLed at the weigh in when Marquez showed up as ripped as Mr Olympia. Y’all can say it was hard work but it’s a bit gullible. A man’s physique just doesn’t dramatically change even with hard training without chemical assistance. You don’t go from having little definition and muscle mass to outright shredded.

Posted December 9, 2012 1:09 pm 


I laugh at the pactards that are saying that JMM was on peds… Pactards will always be pactards…the same ones who said marquez was too old for floyd right??? bunch of losers…get of pacs nuts!!! he got hit flush with a shot that he walked into…full force look at the angle marquez hit him …his whole weight is in that punch even a juice up pac wouldnt be able to take that punch…. IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT PAC GET KnOCKED OUT!!! you must of forgot that pac was ko’ed before….. have a nice day to all the pactards….. his time is up… maybe he can finish his career by fighting bradley again

Posted December 9, 2012 1:09 pm 


I said that Marquez was gonna put hurt on Pacquiao…I felt it! I a so effin happy for Marquez, the man has put a major stamp on his career, arguably the greatest fighter to ever come out of Mexico

Posted December 9, 2012 12:49 pm 


We want a fihjt fight. BRING IT OOOONNNN!!!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 12:04 pm 


People here going on about Mayweather, Marquez on PEDs, Pacquiao finished blah blah blah. It takes heart stepping in the ring, people should just accept things and props to both fighters. I did not want a fourth fight but what a fight it turned out to be, this is what happens to great fighters like Paqcuiao it happened to Ali, Tyson, Roy Jones Jnr, this is boxing, boxers will lose and decline in performance. People criticize Pacquiao, but one thing you can say is he fought the best and beat the best, if certain fighters don’t want to fight him nothing can be done about that, you can not force someone to fight. People should stop looking for excuses and criticize enjoys the fight, people will miss these two great fighters once they retire.

Posted December 9, 2012 12:02 pm 


There is nothing surreal about a knockout as Pacquoia has been here before,… What a silly statement. The only thing surreal is the fact that he bounces up from a KO and proves everybody wrong. THATS SURREAL>

Posted December 9, 2012 12:02 pm 


Isn’t it rich to hear PAC fans say someone else was on steroids? Lol well we’ll never know because Manny doesn’t want OSDT which may have now cost him his career. Lets just stop avoiding the issue and get random blood samples mandated. Somebody pray for Chicago Guy who is probably playing razor violin with his wrists now

Posted December 9, 2012 11:42 am 


Any boxer or trainer will tell you, ‘it’s the punch you don’t see coming that has the greatest effect.’ Marquez perfectly timed it, perfectly placed it, and Pacquiao never saw it = one-punch KO. End of story.

Posted December 9, 2012 11:38 am 


Don’t believe the hype. Last night was boxing on par with WWF. Pure entertainment for your hard earned dollars but nothing competitive of the sport was apparent last night. This is the new direction of boxing!!

Posted December 9, 2012 11:30 am 


I thank it’s safe to say they have each other’s number. I went for JMM in all 4 fights but honestly the 1st 3 could’ve went either way and neither man would’ve been robbed even though I think JMM deserved the 3rd bout. Anyway, this was a great fight but Juan was in some serious trouble cause Manny was tearing him up at the time of the stoppage. I don’t know why Juan has to be on something cause he knocked Manny down and out with one shot-Manny came in real fast and was countered right on the buttom with a very strong right hand end of story. Even though I was going for JMM-he was in serious trouble-Manny might’ve broken his nose or something but I’d pay to see number 5

Posted December 9, 2012 11:29 am 


marquez has always had his number he is one of the smartest boxers of all time after 3 meets he already had him figured out plain and simple sorry buddy you must not know who the mighty juan manuel marquez is PEDS i dont think so

Posted December 9, 2012 11:15 am 


Although I predicted a Marquez win (actually a stoppage win by Marquez), did any other fans want to warn Pacquiao (as he began to look too confident) that Marquez is a counter-puncher? One would think that after 36 previous inconclusive rounds that Pacquiao would have fought a smarter bout. It’s the old truth about once in the ring a lot of adjustments made in training go out the window. When a fight break out, instinct takes over.

Posted December 9, 2012 11:12 am 

Keith Williams

Ujelly wrote: “Shut up with the PED talk you retards. Where were you when Mayweather was demanding stringent testing, huh? YOU were defending Pacquiao’s inhuman rise in strength, fitness and conditioning, THAT’S where you were.
And now look at you. Bunch of sorry punks looking to point the finger when you had every opportunity to support stronger testing to prevent this kind of thing long ago. What goes around comes around”. Could not have said it better. As I wrote in another piece, some of Manny’s fans are the most hypocritical sycophants ever. And they also seem to suffer from selective amnesia. They were screaming at Floyd for linking Manny’s meteoric increase in weight and power with PEDs. Now they are making the same links with Marquez after Manny lost.

Every comment should link them with history. Do not allow them to get away with this hypocrisy. Like Ujelly asserted, when you had the opportunity to support a measure that would make this exchange moot, you were so vicariously hyped on Manny beating bigger fighters that you went appoplectic against the notion. Well, karma is a byaaaatch yo-all.

Posted December 9, 2012 11:06 am 


What a joke this comment is. Marquez has been working on beefing up since he fought mayweather 3 years ago. He realized his ineffective ness at the weight and said he’d put weight on properly since then. This isn’t 4 months of bulking up, it’s 3 years. People said the same thing last time around the only difference is Marquez didn’t get win. PAC was leaving himself open, lunging in, and got caught. He didn’t fight at his usual distance to be able to evade shots. The knockdown in 5 had him ready to take more chances and open up, and unfortunately for him, Marquez exploited that. You pac fans should find encouragement in the fact that for the first time in all their fights with each other, PAC was actually looking like the better fighter. He should have proceeded with caution instead of opening himself up because that seemed to be the only chance Marquez had and pac gift wrapped it for him

Posted December 9, 2012 10:57 am 

Keith Williams

Boy, the one thing you get from all of Manny’s sycophants, including his trainer, is hypocrisy. Manny stopped people at weights way above where he started, and who had never fought professionally at similar weights to him, and they defend that. Marquez stops Manny and he is accused of using PEDS. This is karma, or a sort of eye opener to the boxing world. That what you do might come back to haunt you, or that life will produce circumstances to haunt you for what you do and say.

Ok, are we agreed that there should be Olympic Style Performance Enhancing Drug Testing in boxing in order to end this controversy? Did you have to be dragged to the table of consensus over this? Is it not instructive that the person who seemingly paid the cost of awakening this conversation is the very person wround whom it percolated? We test boxers for cannabis when that will not give them any advantage, but argue against the requirement to test them for every drug that serve that purpose.

Long ago boxing had fans. Today it has sycophants for whom logic is extinct. Manny rode into fame upon a series of fights where he demanded that his opponents come in at weight limits lower than was natural for them. Floyd Mayweather beat two of those fighters at the weights they normally fight at. But he gets pilloried while Manny gets praised. Well the Gods of boxing became tired of the hypocrisy and used Marquez to tell the sycophants stfu.

Posted December 9, 2012 10:48 am 


Whether JMM used any illegal substance, I don’t know, but he could have, at age 39-40, achieved that muscle and fitness level without PEDS.

Posted December 9, 2012 10:40 am 


Wow! Well, I have to take back everything I said about this being an “I told you so fight.” Definitely the fight of the year. Masterful execution by Marquez. I havn’t seen a top level fighter out like that in years. I’m glad Manny’s okay though. I hate to see any fighter get knocked out like that. Really scary for about five minutes. The man was out cold! Interesting though: Manny got careless, Juan capitalized. And you know, I said Marquez was putting on that beef (muscle) because power was the only thing he lacked to stop Manny. He had tons of it last night. What a punch!

Posted December 9, 2012 10:38 am 


obviously Floyd after knocking marquez down went into outpointing mode after tasting the counter punches of Marquez. Marquez has a cobra like countering that is hard to evade.

Posted December 9, 2012 10:36 am 


Geoff, Nice job! Very well written. Thanks!

Posted December 9, 2012 10:25 am 


r u all thick? it is possible to add muscle at 40 without steroids! marquez has always had power, manny walked straight onto that shot, it would have knocked anyone out!

Posted December 9, 2012 10:21 am 


Amazes me just how many experts on steriods there are on these forums lol.

Posted December 9, 2012 10:16 am 


running into a blind thrown perfect blow (like Sergio’s one) stops everybody, regardless of PED. I say: let them organizations do the testing. What comes out, comes out. Other thoughts are worthless for me, because at this level, everybody has the same possibilities, and everybody can’t free himself from doubts, this has to be done by a neutral body of org..

Posted December 9, 2012 9:54 am 


Yes, I saw the Juan Diaz and Katsidis, and pretty much all Marquez fights. You can pressure Marquez because historically, he does not have one punch countering power. He wears down opponents with counters and eventually knocks them out. The first knockdown in the third round surprised everyone. Where did that come from? He found power at age 40, while moving up in weight? That’s usually the equation for reduced power. If Marquez is clean, well done. But I have my doubts.

Posted December 9, 2012 9:53 am 


I give my mr. olympio vote to Marquez. He had the best overall symetry and musle definition. Oh i forgot, was this boxing?

Posted December 9, 2012 9:50 am 


This wasn’t a typical Marquez win. He never had one punch ko power, especially against world class opponents. His ko’s came from wearing down opponents, like Juan Diaz. The 3rd round knockdown surprised everyone since we pretty much knew that Pacquiao had a sturdy chin based on historical records.

Posted December 9, 2012 9:36 am 


Roach may be the worst trainer in boxing….all his boys getting knocked out and he seems to be lacking on the strategy end….also he seems incoherent when talking, maybe due to some boxing blows in the past…

Posted December 9, 2012 8:57 am 


Marquez was on steriods, looks as ripped as the incredible Hulk..

Posted December 9, 2012 8:46 am 


MarPEDs sudden strength in just around 4 months of training is biologically impossible. I take nothing away from him and he has always had Manny’s number. But this one is really incredible. PEDs use to gain strength is just what he needed and it worked. But somehow in history it will always be tainted – Only those medically ignorant can claim that this is a legit win. This is not baseball where PEDs use get you to hit homeruns, you’re bashing other people’s heads in boxing and PEDs use is inexcusable. MarPEDs did what he did to win – and he needed to cheat to get it done. This is not boxing if you ask me.

Posted December 9, 2012 7:02 am 


Funny that most people will talk about juicing: it is natural for those who do not know about training to say those things. There are a million substances that are legal and can aid in creating muscle along with the right kind of training regimen (creatine, HMB, Glutamine, Alpha Lip acid, etc ). Most strength trainers in boxing are not elite trainers. People can speculate all they want; however, Marquez punch was well placed whether he intended it or not. I am amazed at the comments here! Pacquiao was dominating the fight until he was hit by a well placed punch. It happens, it is boxing! Pacquiao doesn’t train as much as he used to anymore. He has too many distractions and carries too many leashes around. Marquez looked determined and Pacquiao was just doing it just to do it. He didn’t even had his gloves on when the fight prior to his was ending. People will speculate about Heredia and Marquez but one thing is certain; Heredia is an amazing strength and conditioning trainer. Heredia worked with the bests and was able to figure out the training that worked and the one that didn’t: Trial and error! Do you think the other athletes outside the US were not juicing when Heredia was caught? Please, most of those running track and field are juicing and it will be absurd to go to a gun fight with a knife. However, what makes the difference when the field is even out comes to training and natural ability; genetics. In conclusion, wow, what a punch: Sergio and Williams dajavu!

Whats next for Marquez? I hope not Mayweather(No disrespect to Mayweather) because styles make fights and it will be a boring fight. Rios, Bradley, Broner, Garcia… — However, Mayweather is a very smart fighter and businessman and he is already seeing an angle after this fight—and i know some of you are too ;)

Posted December 9, 2012 6:44 am 



Yup. Roach is a dummy. Marquez capitalizes on Manny’s attacks. SO now Roach is telling him to attack even more. SO Marquez is going to make him pay more now. Marquez already has Manny timed like a ROLEX. Now he’s adding the missing component which is Power. Now the 3 Blind mice won’t have a chance to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. Marquez will stop Manny or PUNISH him SO bad that they’ll reluctantly have to give him the decision.

Posted December 2, 2012 ”

I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 6:37 am 


LOL!!,now you have the Pactards accusing Marquez of PEDS when PEDman himself invented EVERY excuse possible to avoid random blood testing for the Mayweather fight…PATHETIC!!

Posted December 9, 2012 6:32 am 

te tumbo

Marquez was practically taunting Team Pacquiao* with challenges of “test me if you dare”. they didn’t pursue his challenges making the issue moot. unless Marquez tests dirty now, we have to assume he’s clean just like we must regarding Pacquiao* and these are the breaks.

Posted December 9, 2012 6:25 am 

Paul Tshehla


Posted December 9, 2012 6:23 am 


give the man his due-THANK you for telling the TRUTH.

Posted December 9, 2012 6:21 am 

te tumbo

sweet and poetic justice for the rivalry to end in this manner. Marquez’s sustained and often ridiculed mission to defeat Pacquiao* has been rewarded with the most decisive conclusion possible and v. conditions that always favored Pacquiao*. a legacy-defining win that will (at-least) always place him above Pacquiao* in the annals of Boxing . . . Viva Marquez!

Posted December 9, 2012 6:17 am 


Stricter drug testing should have been done prior to the fight. Where do you see so much power out of MarPEDs in such a short time? In the first 3 fights he landed nearly the same punches on PAC that stunned PAC but didn’t floor him! Now all of a sudden after training with a known Roids dealer he has all this incredible one shot power to KO a full welterweight?! Everyone is turning a blind eye to PEDs use in MarPEDs camp! Post fight drug testing should be imposed to expose the cheater!

Posted December 9, 2012 6:17 am 


Wrong battle plan. He should have not done that to one of the greatest counter puncher. The pacman camp did a hatton there, and we know that manny’s defense is not class A. Marquez knows he wont win by decision so they plan for a big counter punch to a reckless manny. Well, why roach didnt know that.

Posted December 9, 2012 6:13 am 

The Prince

Te Tumbo – Great point. The Pacquiao camp made it clear they were going for the KO.

Posted December 9, 2012 6:06 am 

te tumbo

Freddie was almost a bystander during the post-fight interviews. barely in sight and nowhere in sight in the one posted above. let’s not forget that it was Roach who inSisted on a KO-seeking fight-plan for this bout. disregarding the proven fact that Marquez is more dangerous backing-up than going forward. just ask Juan Diaz who also experienced some initial success v. Marquez but paying a stiff tax all the while before being set-up for the eventual and crushing KO. in many ways, this was a typical Marquez win but not a typical Pacquiao* loss but he was looking for a KO and found it: his own.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:56 am 

give the man his due

boxy picked juan several times in several threads. bow to him.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:54 am 

The Prince

Freddie Roach is the most overrated coach in boxing history.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:50 am 


GOOD guess but NOPE. I predicted that Marquez would WIN by stoppage or PUNISHING SD and I was CORRECT!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 5:48 am 


boxtra you predicted pacman would win,your WRONG so p*ss off and go chase yourself you utter mug.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:47 am 


Anonymous-YOU agree with ME on that!

Posted December 9, 2012 5:45 am 


In boxing, pure offence is nothing without good defense. Wrong battle plan, he should have not done that to a counter puncher artist.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:42 am 


I am a Manny fan but also really like Marquez (they are in fact my number 1 and 2 favourites). Those Manny fans claiming JMM was on Ped’s are simply jealous hypocrites who screamed when those false accusations were levelled a Pac Man, what we saw tonight was a brilliant boxer land a perfect counter right against another fighter and I for one would like to congratulate JMM on the victory he has more than deserved over the series just a bit sad to see a great fighter and man so brutally KO’ed.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:40 am 



Posted December 9, 2012 5:38 am 


Saddest part of all this is that the biggest fight ever was never made. Pac vs Maywearher. Arum deserves to get ktfo over this. Great fight by Pac and Marquez.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:33 am 


Boxtradamus says:
November 29, 2012 at 3:37 pm
OH yeah by the way…Marquez by stoppage or PUNISHING SD.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:28 am 


its was a great win for marquez manny has to much fight in him. this one cant be blamed on roach he had manny boxing well he was moving his head fighting in and out when manny hurt marqueez his killer instincts git the better of manny . pac stopped boxing and he decided to stand and slug .. that got him koed .

Posted December 9, 2012 5:13 am 

Ray Ray

Please don’t make a 5th fight. Plenty of other options out there. I’l b interested 2 c how Pacmans confidence has been effected I his nxt fight. Marquez Mayweather 2 ha ha ha. That won’t happen Marquez is with toprank now

Posted December 9, 2012 5:11 am 


juan was definitely hurt by pacquiao, but i dont think mannys knockdown was legit.
i could be wrong but i think i saw manny step on marquez’ foot as hit hit him so juan couldnt keep his balance.

thats not to say that manny fought dirty, southpaws get into tangles like that all the time

Posted December 9, 2012 5:10 am 


Man obsessed with beating Pacquiao with power has 2 years with a convicted roid dpecialist to perfect the formula. Cartoon physics if u dont believe PEDs dictated that outcome.

Posted December 9, 2012 5:09 am 


Thank You. Couldn’t have said it better myself…

Posted December 9, 2012 5:08 am 


Congrats to Juan Manuel Marquez!!!! The WBO Fighter of the Decade!!!!!!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 5:06 am 


Marquez felt he was robbed last time around and rightly so,and this time he felt COMPELLED to leave no doubt on anybody’s mind…congratulations on a well executed K.O!!

Posted December 9, 2012 5:04 am 


Whats obvious is that Marquez landed the BEST Punches for two Fights in a row. Since his SKILLS and Boxing IQ were already Superior he just worked on his POWER. I SAID that Roach was trying to get his man KILLED by telling him to pressure the heck out of Marquez. DID he not watch the Katsidis and Juan Diaz I Fights???? You do NOT pressure Marquez or you get knocked out!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 4:58 am 

Rick Mane

Scratch this match off ! JMM was using PEDS. Its way to obvious. Why do you think Pacquiao got Kod like that. I believe what the others are saying Pac took 3 fights of Jm hits and nothing happened all of a sudden Jm is HEMAN.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:54 am 


All fighters lose their speed but keep or even enhance their strength. Anyhow, strength training is what changed Manny and gave him the opportunity to fight much bigger opponents. Marquez follows the lead an now you cry wolf? Please…

Posted December 9, 2012 4:51 am 


lol look atall the dumb asss filipinos crying PEDS!!

Posted December 9, 2012 4:51 am 


Hummm;can anyone PLEASE ask PEDman how CANVAS taste like??

Posted December 9, 2012 4:50 am 


FReddie sucks yes… but everybody else needs to swallow the fact that Pacquiao got knocked the f^%k out. It wasn’t staged or WWF, he really got knocked the f^&k out. He got too comfortable with his rhythm and got caught, and as far as JMM is juicing… Definitely

Posted December 9, 2012 4:47 am 

The Report card

HOW can Panster take all those well done throws from Jmm and in this match up of the 4TH fight Jmm throws like he has dual possed power. Jmm had a awfully lot more power now on this board people are talking about his conditioning coach. I dont like what I’m reading.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:47 am 


Shut up with the PED talk you retards. Where were you when Mayweather was demanding stringent testing, huh? YOU were defending Pacquiao’s inhuman rise in strength, fitness and conditioning, THAT’S where you were.
And now look at you. Bunch of sorry punks looking to point the finger when you had every opportunity to support stronger testing to prevent this kind of thing long ago. What goes around comes around.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:46 am 


It’s kinda like rising through the divisions and getting faster, fitter and more powerful and KOing guys far bigger than you, huh? Hmmm, sounds like two fighters with a lot of similarities if you ask me.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:44 am 


Angel pumped Juan full of roid juice and combine that with Juan perfect punches and you have a lethal weapon. This fight is null and void !

Posted December 9, 2012 4:42 am 


Look at the photo at how musculer JMM looks.I just read Angels history of PEDS he gave his athletes. Watch the pre fight of 1,2, and 3 JMM set perfect timed punches at Pacquiaos head and nothing happened all of a sudden JMM is Hulk Hogan at 39 ?

Posted December 9, 2012 4:40 am 


That’s the way to DO it!!! The 3 Blind MICE’s scorecards were all rendered NULL and VOID.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:40 am 


How the hell was marquez able to drop pacquiao like that when he was never able to in the first three fights? In the first three fights, pacquiao got hit nearly as hard multiple times and they didn’t even come close to testing Manny’s chin like what happened tonight. It seems unrealistic that Marquez can gain that much strength as he has already been near his upper limit.
I am really questioning if Marquez is on some of type of PEDs and juicing.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:39 am 


I SAID that Marquez had Pacquiao timed like a ROLEX and I was CORRECT. I also SAID that all he needed was more POWER and I was CORRECT yet again.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:39 am 


Marquez OWNS that ASS,no question about it!!

Posted December 9, 2012 4:37 am 


Pacquiao ran right into Marquez right ,,Marquez for his part calculated just right when to throw the right hand ,,Pacquiao coming in ,,Marquez timing it perfect ,,this was not a lucky punch ,it was a well calculated punch ,,Just like Sergio Martinez calculating when to throw his punch on Paul Williams …

Posted December 9, 2012 4:36 am 


Kessler and Marquez both WON by stoppage just as I predicted!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 4:32 am 

Ray Ray

Oh well, no more debating about who’s the no. 1 pnd 4 pnd.. Nice win 2 Marquez but what’s next 4 manny. I would still like 2 c him get another crack at Bradley. No talk of a dodgy decision with that right hand

Posted December 9, 2012 4:30 am 


Just as I predicted!!!!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!!

Posted December 9, 2012 4:30 am 


Human dynamos ,like Joe Frazier ,,Ray Leonard ,,Aaron Pryor ..Mike Tyson ..and Pacquiao dont have long careers ,,although Pacquiao did fight pretty long ,,these are fighters that fight with speed and aggressiveness ,,they depend on quick in and out keep punching type style ..their careers are short ..

Posted December 9, 2012 4:27 am 


In boxing…..nothing should be surprising anymore. It is now in line with WWF, scripted with results known before hand. It’s entertainment…..not competition. And, YOU”RE paying for it.

Posted December 9, 2012 4:23 am 


was another great fight until manny gktfo …..

Posted December 9, 2012 4:21 am 

B Red

confusious says, Freddie is nominated worst coach of the year

Posted December 9, 2012 4:20 am 

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