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I’VE JUST WATCHED PricevsThompsonII and I would really like someone to explain to me why referee Marcus MacDonald did not stop Pricey after he was hammered with about 40 unanswered blows, but was given a STANDING 8 COUNT when he more or less turned his back on the TIGER twice and then was only waived off after the ref looked into his eyes after the count?

The reason I ask this is because, I thought we did not exercise the standing 8 count here in England or at least we didn’t .

WHY could not a standing 8 count have been administered to GEORGE GROVES when he fought CARL COBRA FROCH? This would have been the most sensible and fair way in a WORLD title fight to have given the ref FOSTER the best chance to assess ST GROVES and if he felt he was still unable to defend himself he could have waived it over after.

Serious question folks. 8 count for Price but no 8 count for Groves……


Posted March 17, 2014 10:16 am 


Yes I can see where you went wrong there Decision…not a lot of difference between trying out and competing ….Why don’t you direct a letter to George asking for his help…..Don’t forget to call him Grooves…he will be very impressed.

Posted March 16, 2014 12:22 pm 


I hold my hands up with Grooves. I thought he fought in Olympics, but now remember it was in trials for Olympics. But, I watched him fight for Dayle Youth on a few occasions before he turned pro and he was talked about as being the top contender for Olympics. Anyway Grooves will be champion and I would like someone to help me get tickets.

Posted March 16, 2014 5:48 am 


groves will soon be back with his mate defail fighting in north london youth clubs.

Posted March 15, 2014 4:18 pm 


Decision….You followed Groves career all the way back to the Olympics…Groves, or has you seem know him, Grooves was never picked for the Olympics…..

Posted March 15, 2014 3:59 pm 


Yes I can help you with your problem…..Please meet me in the public toilet at Waterloo station were my friends can help you too……

Posted March 15, 2014 3:34 pm 


I am a massive fan of John Grooves. Please can anyone help me to get a couple of tickets to see my hero John Grooves in action. I have followed his career all the way back to the Olympics when he represented our boys and I have all his fights cut out in my scrapbook. I tried to get tickets but couldn’t get through to Wembley. You will make a massive Grooves fan really, really happy. thx
My dream is to meet John in person and get a photo of me standing next to John with his world middleweight title that he will win for Britain when he beats Frocks in May. I am tingling all inside and aweating so much when I think of myself standing side by side with Grooves. Please make my wish come true. If only Kim were here to fix It for me! Grooves is the best fighter in the world and he supports my team Chelsea also.

Posted March 15, 2014 7:27 am 


Joe Calzaghe spent years calling out Jones, Toney, Nunn BUT, he did not dare call out Mike McCallum!
Joe also called out Eubank and Collins.
He used all these names to try and float his career.
But when Froch who was number 1 contender called him out Joe turned a DEAF’UN.
This has always been the case in boxing.
Then Groves called out Froch as Froch called out Calzaghe as Calzaghe called out Jones etc…
Look at Golovkin calling out everyone. Look at Kovalev calling out everyone.
Truth is since day 1 the top boxers in the sport want to protect their position and want those that challenge them to EARN their shots…. This happens in every single form of life.
Once people get to the top, they invariably pull the ladder up after them to protect their lofty positions….
Fact of life mate.

Posted March 15, 2014 5:54 am 


Good points TARK, but unfortunately the posters he have vilified all these gentlemen for winning their fights and have rubbished them (except for RIGO) on these threads. You can’t blame a boxer if an official stops a fight too early or if a judge gets it wrong. Officially they are wins and in Bradley’s case I do believe he chased a rematch with Pacquiao just as soon as his damaged ankles healed but Pac chose MARQUEZ and lost, but still BRADLEY chased and chased him, as he wants to get a decisives win and is sick of the constant hate and abuse he has received since he got the W over Pacquiao.
Being a boxer is hard these days as fans expect perfection each and every time. If you win, they want a KO, if you get a KO, why did it take 10 rounds. The fickle fans really are clueless sometimes.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:26 pm 


You’re right in a way anonymous…

But here’s the way I look at it…

Bradley won… He got a very rich and winnable match with Marquez… and then another very rich fight with Pacquiao, where he held out for more money and got it.

Froch won… He got a very rich rematch with a guy he pretty much knows he can beat. He gets the lion’s share.

Quillin won… It was a bad cut and a legit win over Rosado.

Canelo win… He was beating the crap out of Angulo and refereeing isn’t his job. Everyone understands that.

Khan didn’t win… His poor showing cost him the Mayweather fight.

Martinez won… Not in the ring, but he got a super rich fight with Cotto because he retained his title.

Rigondeaux won… They tried to rob him vs ND, but he was too dominant. I’m sure he’ll get Donaire again – and maybe get a fight with Santa Cruz… He’s luckier than Kovalev or Golovkin who will never get the top fighters to face them.

Posted March 14, 2014 2:54 pm 


Spot on TARK. Dirrell’s brother only has one fifth the talent he had and whatever the reason it has blown away in the wind. Dirrell could have been a hug player in Super Six, but this is boxing and one defeat could leave you on the scrap heap just as one win could elevate you to hero status. But, in Groves’ case he lucked out, even tho he lost and has been elevated to hero status, which happens quite rarely.

Boxers. Who have won and lost at same time:
FROCH vs Groves
Bradley vs Pacquiao
Canelo vs Angulo
Khan vs Diaz
Martinez vs Murray
Quillin vs Rosado

The list goes on and the fans are unbelievably fickle.

Posted March 14, 2014 2:33 pm 


The fact is, Calzaghe-Froch was even bigger in money and interest than Froch-Groves. Domestic brawls in England are unbelievable at the world level. There were never two styles that made for a better fight Than Calzaghe-Froch. Never happened.

The UK is where the modern game of Boxing was born … and the Brits would have broken the bank to see that fight.

Another fact is: Calzaghe is the chicken who wouldn’t fight.

Posted March 14, 2014 2:22 pm 


Something is seriously wrong with Andre Dirrell…

And it’s not that flagrantly foul blow that Abraham knocked him out with. He fully recovered from that punch and obviously looked good in his 2 fights since — but that’s 2 lonely fights in the last four (4) years.. against guys you never heard of.

Dirrell has taken his talent and shoved it into a storage locker.

Posted March 14, 2014 2:09 pm 


No, I’m the real Anonymous from Parts, Unknown.

Posted March 14, 2014 8:36 am 


I’m the real Anonymous……

Posted March 14, 2014 7:58 am 


Who is anonymous?

Posted March 14, 2014 6:15 am 


the post below is not from me.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:04 am 


Good to see Groves has a home fight, will have his own hand picked officials and his plastic fans all in attendance on May 31st.

I wonder if he’ll bring his Rubik’s cube to the post fight presser when he’s been bashed to a crisp and I wonder what excuses he will have when all things loaded in his favour and he still loses?

FROCH is effectively the away fighter, even tho he is the champ.
I wonder how many of plastic George’s fans will leave the arena telling people they were
FROCH fans all the time once he’s spatulad off the canvas?

Don’t worry Groves fans, he will turn his attention back to DEGALE who will probably snare the WBC or WBO titles at some point and we’ll have the same old bs, just like his pal David Toe Job HAYE brings to all his so-called fights.

Posted March 14, 2014 6:03 am 


I can’t prove it but Dirrell would have boxed rings round Groves. I actually think he would have done a better job on him than FROCH. I actually think .froch beat him by a whisker.
Dirrell fought the first 8 or 9 rounds off his back fought trying to counter any leads from Carl and only attacked in the last couple.
groves would lead and fall short and be countered heavily. I am 99% certain that his chin is not as solid as Carl’s and when Dirrell could see he could get to George he would have started to lead, switch hit and generally pull away from half way. He learned loads from FROCH and was beating ABRAHAM easily (actually showed the world how to beat him) before the freak stoppage which effectively ended his top flight career.
Dirrell from all the fights I’ve seen him in was a far more complete and competent fighter than Groves and faster too.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:53 am 


Correction: slower and easier to hit than he was in his 20s

Posted March 14, 2014 5:48 am 



so TARK as well as having a massivbe ashole from wilder’s persisent raming has not seen the ringside episode in which froch and JC were both on and froch admitted he could not win any other way and we all know he never would have caught joe if the fight went 1200 rounds. groves made him look a fool how slow he is and has the footwork of an elephant

Posted March 13, 2014 5:48 pm

FROCH would have fought Calzaghe in 2006 or 2007, which by my reckoning would be 7 or so years ago when ?Carl would have been still in his 20s. Carl is 36 years old now, so he would be a lot slower now than he wa back then, so any use and comparison with Groves now is completely idiotic.

Watch Calzaghe fighting at 36 years old vs Hopkins and even Jones. He was slower and easier to his than he was in his 20s when he fought the likes of

ELBILLY. Very stupid comment from you fella. Go back to drawing by numbers, you don’t merit a place on this forum.

Posted March 14, 2014 5:47 am 


What a pretentious title……I don’t see where the reluctant comes in….Perhaps you should label yourself reluctant writer…

Posted March 14, 2014 4:50 am 


Nope….Dirrell lost,look it up…..

Posted March 14, 2014 4:40 am 


“Ward is the only guy who really beat him.”-Nope. Dirrell beat him TOO.

Posted March 14, 2014 3:23 am 


Popkins.., Don’t talk about Dariusz Michalczewski… DM lost to turtle slow Julio Gonzalez in Germany..

Gonzalez lost every round to Jones while getting decked 3 times.

Michalczewski also ducked Antonio Tarver forever… He hid in Germany and fought 2nd raters… Such as Gonzalez who he lost to … and he refused to do a rematch with Gonzalez.

Posted March 13, 2014 10:35 pm 


Goosey… Cleverly called Froch out.. Calzaghe actually goaded NC into calling Froch out… I wanted Froch to fight Cleverly and kick his ass, so I posted about it—but he has to fight him first… I’m pretty satisfied that Kovalev exposed Cleverly. NC was another Calzaghe.

But Froch never wanted to fight light heavy… That’s his right not to got there.. Also Stevenson.. CF got a bye on Stevenson when Adonis was his mandatory.

So I misspoke. Maybe he didn’t fight everybody. But I think he would have fought Stevenson if he wasn’t more interested in giving Kessler a beating.

Posted March 13, 2014 10:22 pm 

Anonymous you still have that picture of david toe haye in your shed.

Posted March 13, 2014 6:58 pm 


TARK…. “Carl fights them all. You have to give him credit for trying to fight everybody.” Yet you spent the best part of 2012 here on ESB crowing on about how Froch was “avoiding” Nathan Cleverly… You are all over the place (as usual)

Posted March 13, 2014 6:44 pm 


billy medals.that word twat is for retards who come from the north of england. where are you from. LOL.

Posted March 13, 2014 6:44 pm 


@Anonymous loadsa names!get of this site its for boxing fans not bored kids,talking and answering themselves under stupid names!you stupid tw@t

Posted March 13, 2014 6:16 pm 


billy no medals stick to rimming yourself you spazza.

Posted March 13, 2014 3:56 pm 


every word can be verified. Ask Joe’s promoter. Ask Woods. Ask Johnson. How come Joe is no longer scared of flying?
bunch of plastic Joe Calzaghe lying fans.

Posted March 13, 2014 3:51 pm 


i see the plastic prik Anonymous the warrior spreading manure again!keep taking your prozac!!no nuts

Posted March 13, 2014 3:44 pm 


Congratulations Anonymous. U have proved that it is possible to diminish and rip apart the achievements of anyone, even a great FHOF boxer like Calzaghe. I have no doubt that with very little effort u cud easily do the same to any top boxer’s career. Even legends like Marciano, Sugar Ray and Ali… Their resumes cud b in tatters once your done with them. Good work matey..

Posted March 13, 2014 3:35 pm 


Popkins, I meant Seoul Olympics Gold medal bout, 1988

Posted March 13, 2014 3:10 pm 


Popkins, RJJ was robbed in Seoul in the Olympic Final by cheating officials and probably never wished to be robbed again and in all seriousness the big money was in the US when RJJ was relevant, which is not so much the case today and it was very rare for a peak champion to travel to defend his crown unless he was paid a kings ransom.
Hope that settles that point.
Tarver did himself no favours, stupidly putting on 40 pounds to perform as the .b side in the ROCKY BALBOA movie. Did you see his pot belly in that film? Shameful. His tank was empty as he dropped so much weight, so quickly for Hopkins. Tarver was never the same fighter again. Although, he remained a great trash talker.
Woods wanted Calzaghe in a bad way, but was never the same when his good friend was killed on the motorway- can’t remember if he was jogging, fixing his car or hit by a hit n run and he performed like a zombie losing to Tarver!
Joe spent the best part of his championship region fighting once per year, hiding behind so-called mandatory defences instead of testing himself and is why it took him from 1997-2005 before he got any recognition.

The name Calzaghe was more synonymous with Calslappy in those years as most people in boxing thought he hit with the inside if his glove for years and years and he was no big draw in UK apart from amongst die hard boxing fans.

Only when ODLH was finishing in boxing did US look to Joe a potential man to fill the void if he could beat the over rated Jeff Lacy.

Joe was sensational and became an overnight star.

The really funny thing is just like Johnson 3x and Woods 2x Joe attempted to pull out of this fight at least twice, but his dad forced him into taking this GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY. Like Joe’s dad I was 100% certain Joe would beat Left Hook, who I could not understand what all the fuss in him was about.

Heck Lacy was even featured on the cover Of video game FIGHT NIGHT along with ROY JONES at a time when he had done absolutely nothing in boxing!!!!

Joe should get on his knees and thank his dad and the good timing of Lacy coming to UK to fight him, because he liked to use bad hands, bad backs all sorts to pull out of fights regularly, but that night made him an overnight star.

I’ll give him his props he fought 2 sturdy men in Kessler and Hopkins, but you can forget RJJ. That man is shot to b8gger1es!

Posted March 13, 2014 3:08 pm 


Calzaghe wud hav gained no extra credit for beating Woods. British rivals and former world champions Woodhall, Reid and even the 97 version of Eubank would hav defeated Clinton, Joe beat all three and gets little respect from the Americans for those wins. Sheika beat a prime Johnson and then Calzaghe thrashed him. Tarver lost to a 40 year old Hopkins. And RJJ was great but he never left America in his prime. Not even to take on his biggest threat at 175, the man who unified the division BEFORE RJJ did – DM. Yet somehow American boxing journalists managed to brainwash the fans into forgetting those wins, and magically made Roy the “linear” champ! Roy never beat “the man” at 175. U cud argue that as the challenger RJJ shud have travelled to make the fight, especially if he’s as gd as we all think he was.. Jones was never a big pay per view draw. That fight wud have sold out a stadium in Europe.

Posted March 13, 2014 2:47 pm 

Hyper Hyper

Tark has the beat.

Posted March 13, 2014 2:00 pm 


plastic slapper joe fans. FUC#ING CLASSIC.

Posted March 13, 2014 1:56 pm 


@Ray Gun and in my opinion tommy hearns was jacked against Dennis andries, and this breaks my heart to say but I’ve read his book and he admits being a coke head for years, yet he put on that “weight” to detrone the marvellous one, like I say this hurts me to say it but I believe the suger man jacked in his many comebacks.

Posted March 13, 2014 1:00 pm 


I have to agree with the last post by anonymous.

Can you imagine the kind of gates Joe Calzaghe would have drawn if he had the guts to fight a prime Roy Jones… Clinton Woods… Carl Froch… Glen Johnson… and Antonio Tarver???

He’d probably have a few losses but he be rated a lot higher.

Carl fights them all. You have to give him credit for trying to fight everybody—especially Calzaghe… Ward is the only guy who really beat him.

Posted March 13, 2014 11:03 am 


He would have murdered Benn. Benn was even easier to hit than Groves. Nigel got KO’d a few times — not early stoppages. More like late stoppages.

Posted March 13, 2014 10:54 am 


i read somewhere that Groves wants the Ward fight right after he fights Carl. I also read he believes he would have more than held his own with Britains best fighters at his weight. I’m sure it said he smirked when asked about the likes of Eubank, Benn, Collins. Anyone see this? What do you guys think?

Posted March 13, 2014 6:22 am 


Question: Why is Joe Calzaghe’s name always brought up on Carl FROCH threads?
Answer: Because all these plastic Joe Calzaghe fans have always wanted to see FROCH fall flat on his face. They can’t stand the fact that Carl constantly fought and chased the very best fights out there, whereas Joe hid at home until he had been champion for 7 long years only facing Robin Reid, who could not miss him all night with smashing right handers. He became a household name almost by luck as he ducked Johnson 3x, then ducked Woods 2x and lucked into a Lacy fight and became an overnight star after 8 years as champion. Yes, he had great wins over Kessler and Mitchell and a disputed win over Hopkins, and wins over men like Ashira, Manfredo, Veit, McIntyre, and other names even more unmemorable which litter his title ledger, that really show his real ambition when compared with FROCH, who has faced them all and at the same age is facing huge challenges against men thought to be his equal BUTE, or greater WARD and strong, young challengers in GROVES.

Plastic Calzaghe fans who only jumped on the wagon in 2006/2007.
Where were you pullers when he was languishing on bills below Ricky and Naz fighting in snooze fests vs the Kid Fires of this world?

bunch of lying glory hunters.

This is the reason why Calzaghe’s name always crops up.
Plastic Calzaghe fans always trying to twist things.

We can all name FROCH’s last 12 opponents.

Can you plastics name Joe’s last twelve?.

No one cares about Joe at this point. He’s retired.
This fight is about a man who brings drama to every fight he’s in.

Posted March 13, 2014 6:06 am 

Boxing Monthly

This is funny, just watch it, he is going on about immigration, he goes back to the fish going on to the land, like evolution, it is very good, comedy.

Posted March 12, 2014 9:19 pm 


Goosey…, That doesn’t help at all… First rule of life. Don’t believe everything you hear. Second rule of life. Don’t believe everything you read, especially stuff like this.

Particularly when it sounds super unlikely and fishy. I don’t see ANYBODY giving up a world title belt to fight a 2nd rater like Manfredo. Makes no sense at all.

If I were HBO, I would be trying to make the Froch fight. That’s the fight all of England and the whole world wanted to see. One of the greatest action fights that could ever have been made. It would put Froch-Groves to shame.

Carl had a pain in his craw about a Calzaghe fight that wouldn’t quit—for 5 or 6 years. He was still begging for the fight after he knocked out Jermain Taylor… He didn’t say much about Taylor in the interview…it was all about Joe Calzaghe and still wanting to fight him, speaking to a world audience.

Posted March 12, 2014 9:02 pm 


Who wrote this one?
I must say this is pure gold, comparable to Joseph Herron, when it is compared to most of the junk we see on ESB.

I think Groves had his peak with first fight and the cobra will strike more quickly this time.

Posted March 12, 2014 8:20 pm 


TARK.. “HBO wants to put on good fights. I don’t know why in Hell they would drag Manfredo in there so I don’t really believe that..”

“On 27 November 2006, it was announced that Calzaghe had signed a contract to

defend his WBO Super Middleweight title against former star of The Contender

Peter Manfredo Jr. of the United States on 7 April 2007, at Millennium Stadium

in Cardiff, Wales to be shown on HBO. Because HBO did not want to cover a fight

with the non-American mandatory IBF challenger Robert Stieglitz of Germany, and

with the opportunity to fight World Middleweight champion Jermaine Taylor in the

summer if he won against Manfredo, Calzaghe chose to fight Manfredo and as a

result had to relinquish the IBF Super Middleweight Championship.”

Hope that helps…..

Posted March 12, 2014 7:29 pm 

Stevie C

Tark – the fight meant nothing in the UK at the time, joe going to the states and spanking hopkins was.

Posted March 12, 2014 7:26 pm 

Stevie C

On froch v calzaghe – joe had too much speed and resilience, he also had a plan B,C and D… a very adaptable fighter.

Posted March 12, 2014 7:25 pm 


Calz-Manfredo was a ZERO fight. I didn’t waste my time for one.

HBO wants to put on good fights. I don’t know why in Hell they would drag Manfredo in there so I don’t really believe that.. They’re not stupid.. Do they love non-competitive fights??? Calzaghe vs Froch would have been a brilliant fight. I don’t think you can have a better matchup for Froch’s style. They’re both brawlers who like to mix.

Bute was a great southpaw style for Froch, but he just wasn’t good or tough enough to stand up… Calzaghe-Froch would have blown the roof off… I was just bitterly disappointed that Calzaghe couldn’t grow a set of balls and accept one of Carl’s numerous call outs.

Posted March 12, 2014 7:24 pm 

Stevie C

Goosey, good to see your still around.

Posted March 12, 2014 7:22 pm 


Kaylor was good but Bomber Graham beat him up big time…

Posted March 12, 2014 7:19 pm 


Stevie C… Long time no see…

Posted March 12, 2014 7:16 pm 

Stevie C

Ginger whinger, brilliant post.

Posted March 12, 2014 7:14 pm 



“You don’t fight Peter Manfredo at that point instead of Carl Froch… Manfredo had those losses, one to Alfonso Gomez, and had never beaten anyone of note.”

AGAIN TARK…. Calzaghe was supposed to be fighting his IBF mandatory contender Stieglitz, not Manfredo OR Froch. However, HBO refused to screen this mandatory defence v Stieglitz, because they wanted Calzaghe to fight “Contender Star” Manfredo instead, to set up fights in the USA.. So Calzaghe dropped the IBF belt and did what HBO made him do…. He never “dodged” a fight with Froch at the time at all… Why do you think the Manfredo fight started at 2am in the UK? Was it because all the Brits wanted it to start at that time? Or do you think HBO wanted it to start at that time?

Posted March 12, 2014 7:08 pm 

ol Henry

Cristie v Kaylor w/ Krispie Kremes and coffee n cream. Domestic scraps on the tube you can watch from the comfort of home w/ the neighbors. Boxing on TV is my favorite thing.

Carl v George is a domestic scrap but not domestic level. It’s world level. The winner is the next opponent for Ward. The reason so many Brits fancy George. Carl already had his chance at the America. George doesn’t dream of super fight in Vegas. He wants AW in Wembley. Hearn has his pocketbook open. He will out-bid Vegas all day for that fight.

Posted March 12, 2014 7:05 pm 


Billy …what you on about fella?

Ginger…yeah mate both domestic fighters, their fight was for the British middleweight strap…..someone else mentioned kaylor , and it just brought back memories that I had long since forgotten, no more no less.
Don’t know for the life of me what Billy no mates is on about , ladders and stuff….I guess he thinks I,m one of these anonymous posters that clog up this place….oh well, it takes all sorts I guess :)

Posted March 12, 2014 6:50 pm 


In fact,imagine UK boxing without Froch or calzaghe…what an unholy vacuum that would have been….

Posted March 12, 2014 6:37 pm 


I still can’t believe there are guys on here debating who would win:Calzaghe or Froch.All we can take from the facts that history shows us is this: Joe was without doubt the superior boxer and never lost,yet his resume was littered with bums or B level opposition.Whereas froch is the opposite;a mediocre skill set,but an incredible will to win,coupled with an adamantium -infused chin,with some losses and some close shave wins,yet his resume is littered with a who’s who of SMW elites.TBH,it doesn’t really matter who you think would win,we should just be extremely grateful that the UK produced two of the best SMW’s ever,albeit very different in their style and strengths.i loved watching Joe fight,he was aborn winner,but he didn’t really test himself consistently.And I love to watch froch,for different reasons.I remember seeing his war with pascal and I was just mesmerised by the sheer will of Froch to win,just as I was mesmerisedby Joe’s sublime,yet unorthodox crazy skills when he dominated and schooled Lacy.We have been very lucky.Benn,Eubanks,Watson,Collins,Calzaghe,Reid,Froch,now Groves,Degale,Eubanks Jr….what pedigree….i’dfeel confident in lining those boys up vs Toney,Nunn,Jones Jr,Ward etc…

Posted March 12, 2014 6:34 pm 


lIMEYJAY-KAYLOR AND CHRISTIE,yes,brings back very cobwebbed memories,great rivalry,although as far as I can recall they were domestic level guys….I coild be wrong but I was just a teen back then…but I do remember it being a good scrap…

Posted March 12, 2014 6:20 pm 


@limeyjay.aka Anonymous Kalor and christie were like you!!got half way up the ladder and fell of it!!

Posted March 12, 2014 6:04 pm 

Ray Gun

Mick. He would be if it were my list. The list I’ve shown is an official drug cheat list. The only reason Ward isn’t on that is because the USVADA allow hormone replacement therapy in their testing resulting in a positive drug test if it were the WADA testing. That’s why Ward is so reluctant to travel or submit to the proper World Anti Doping Agency. And its also why the big fights aren’t happening for him. He ain’t no road warrior Mick, he’s never been on the road mate. He’s more like a home worrier!

Posted March 12, 2014 5:20 pm 


ebillie old girl… You’re soooo full of unadulterated crap.

Froch always said he would have beaten Calzaghe if given the shot… He didn’t get that shot — so he couldn’t prove it.

Anyone can say they would beat somebody and then avoid them forever. If you can beat them FIGHT them… coward.

Posted March 12, 2014 5:17 pm 

Mick the Marmalizer

Ray Gun: How come that fantastic road warrior Andre Ward’s not on your list? ;-)

Posted March 12, 2014 4:03 pm 

Mick the Marmalizer

Why the bloody hell does Joe Calzaghe still come up in every Carl Froch article? It may as well be Hatton/Witter, Conteh/Gallindez, Mitchell/Nelson/McGuigan or Lewis/Bowe! They never happened & never will, so put it to bed & forget about it!!!……..

Posted March 12, 2014 3:59 pm 

Ray Gun

Yep, the best bit is the HRT and the USADA. they allow 4-6 times the natural testosterone levels under the cover of therapy. Unbelievable! Hopkins and mayweather spring to mind…

Posted March 12, 2014 3:55 pm 


when it comes to peds no one can touch the yanks.

Posted March 12, 2014 3:43 pm 

Ray Gun

Cut n paste went wrong…

Roy Jones jnr
James Toney
Richard Hall
Andre Berto
Antonio Tarver
Shane Mosley
Julio Cesar Chevez jnr
J’Leon Love
Mickey Bey
Eric morales
Lamont Peterson
Fernando Vargas
Orlando Salido
Evander Holyfield
Franz Botha

Posted March 12, 2014 3:29 pm 

Ray Gun

The great American boxing swindle! “You have to come to the states to become a great!” nice bit of self marketing guys… The real reason of corse is most Americans can’t travel, they can’t get their ‘nutrition’ through customs…
Roy Jones jnrRoy Jones jnr
James Toney
Richard Hall
Andre Berto
Antonio Tarver
Shane Mosley
Julio Cesar Chevez jnr
J’Leon Love
Mickey Bey
Eric morales
Lamont Peterson
Fernando Vargas
Orlando Salido
Evander Holyfield
Franz Botha
James Toney
Richard Hall
Andre Berto
Antonio Tarver
Shane Mosley
Julio Cesar Chevez jnr
J’Leon Love
Mickey Bey
Eric morales
Lamont Peterson
Fernando Vargas
Orlando Salido
Evander Holyfield
Franz Botha

Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather:
…Are currently under the testing(protection)of the USADA and are allowed 4-6 times the natural testosterone levels. They call it called therapeutic.

Posted March 12, 2014 3:27 pm 


Prime against prime I would give RJJ the edge over Calzaghe. … But wen did u EVER c Roy outboxed like he was against Joe? (Illegal forearm knockdown aside!). Even as a shadow of his former self Roy normally still wins the majority of the rounds before he’s KO’d.

Posted March 12, 2014 3:14 pm 


Anonymous people are two bit nobodys!and they all sux

Posted March 12, 2014 3:12 pm 


Plastic Calzaghe and Groves fans probably never heard of MARK KAYLOR and his spat with ERROL CHRISTIE. fisticuffs included.

This is boxing, where feelings and tempers run high. Fighters are called fighters for a reason and tbh most are not Einsteins, so if someone insults you, you feel honour bound to react by bopping that weasel on the nose.

Groves is a little stirrer and if he tried his tactics with anyone on the street the least he would get is a thick ear. But he knows all the cameras are watching so he feels safe to try and wind people up with his bs.

Seriously, how many of you would turn the other cheek if someone did it to you? Not many I bet.

Posted March 12, 2014 3:11 pm 


Joe did the same thing to Roy Jones, James Toney and Micheal Nunn, but did not DARE call out Mike McCallum. He tried to keep himself relevant even before he beat up grandpa Eubank to win the title and hid behind you know who whilst he called out name after name.
They all said who is this kid? Never heard of him? Come back when you are a household name. It took Joe nearly 7 long years to get noticed by anyone more than us hardcore fans who were wondering when or if he was ever going to sp8t or get off the pot. Yes, he looked a million dollars versus Lacy, but Joe felt he didnt get his chance vs Collins – which is TRUE and Joe did not LIKE ONE BIT the idea of Froch doing to him what he had done to all the other champs.
This has happened throughout the long, illustrious and sometimes odious history of boxing so why are people hating.

NOW, Groves is doing to CARL what he did to JOE and what JOE did to JONES JR.

Witter tried it with RICKY who tried it with FLOYD who tried it with SHANE who tried it with OSCAR who called out old man CHAVEZ SNR who did it to ROSARIO (RIP)… The list is never ending……

Posted March 12, 2014 3:05 pm 


Will the real anonymous please stand up…….

Posted March 12, 2014 3:03 pm 


Most of you plastic Calzaghe fans are liars anyways. Calzaghe was always a footnote behind other boxers in UK. Joe only became a star with Lacy which was 7 or 8 years into his title reign. Naz, Ricky Hatton and other boxers headlined and Joe was the undercard to them, even tho he was champion for so long of the poorest division ion boxing… fgs. Ottke made as many defences as him and retired unbeaten, just like him. That shows the division was a joke for years. These 2 racked up 40 defences between them against men who were mostly mediocre. I’ll give that 2 or 3 were decent, but on the whole 12 stone boxers were pretty pathetic round that time.

Posted March 12, 2014 2:59 pm 


So now Groves says “I’ll quit Wembley re-match with Froch if referee is British”……Will it help if he is ginger…

Posted March 12, 2014 2:56 pm 


Pople keep on about PEDS and Ward.
Well Joe Calzaghe used injections in his hands for every fight since he was 16 years old. He is quoted in Boxing Monthly or Boxing News as not being able to make a fist out of his left hand due to all the pain killing injections he has had in them since he was a kid. You lot cannot have it all your own way. If Ward is a PEDS cheat, then so is Joe. You have no proof on either man.
Altho if we talk about recreational stuff………

Posted March 12, 2014 2:51 pm 


Alphabet title rankings are not a true representation of a division’s top boxers. Boxing Monthly, Ring Mag, Seconds out etc. are more accurate. Calzaghe beat his No.2 and No.1 contenders in Lacy and Kessler. If Calzaghe defended again in 2007/8, Bute was the highest ranked contender he hadn’t already beaten, NOT Froch. Kessler was still the top fighter at 168 long after Joe left super middle. Calzaghe moved up in weight to defeat the linear light heavyweight champion. Froch has pretty said himself, he doesn’t feel he could step up to 175, as he’s not big enough. 2008 Hopkins would have schooled Carl.

Posted March 12, 2014 2:49 pm 


Hold on
TARK does have valid points. Watch the Kessler fight again without your patriotic glasses on and you will see it was DEAD EVEN after 8 rounds and even the Brit commentators were saying Kessler was on the upswing.

But, JOE dug in a body shot under Kesslers right side if I remember and it took him 2-3 rounds to get over it, by which time Joe had gone to box and get out tactics and eked out a lead. I think Kessler came on stroing again in either rnd 11 or 12, but it was too late.

Also, please admit to yourselves that JOE was eating some ferocious right hands from the Viking some of which had his head snapping back like a nodding Churchill dog.

Kessler really wanted a remtach in Denmark but like the Reid fight Joe was in no mood to go to Denmark and potentially lose. I firmly believe Kessler learned far more about Joe than Joe did about him and would have won a rematch in front of his rabid Danish fans who lifted him to such a level in a FAR more ferocious 12 round fight with Froch #1.

The Calzaghe fight was good action, but it was Kessler’s first real test, even tho he was a double champion.

Calzaghe would never give a rematch to the three men who deserved it most. Reid, Kessler and Hopkins and is a reason why many are unsatisfied with his total career, because out of 20 defences over 11 long years he only fought about 5 or 6 live bodies. I am 99.99% certain that all his wins would have been matched by ROY JONES, MIKE MCCALLUM, JAMES TONEY, ANDRE WARD if they had fought them at SMW also.

Posted March 12, 2014 2:47 pm 

Gym rat

Calzaghe would have slapped Ward something awful. Americans pop PED’s like candy. That’s why they never travel! Only Lacy plucked up the courage and look what happened there!

Posted March 12, 2014 2:44 pm 


Froch was WBC #1 Mandatory to Calzaghe.

Posted March 12, 2014 2:34 pm 


There was zero interest here in the uk for a Froch vs calzaghe fight, maybe less than zero… british fight fans were keen to see how joe would stack up against the top yanks at the time….we knew joe had plenty of talent, but we were curious to see how that played out on the road, would he be able to replicate his performances stateside against the elite, that’s what we wanted to know……there were always naysayers saying that joe was a home fighter , and would get schooled if he made it across the pond, and I guess we wanted it rubber stamped that one of our own boys could ,and would be able to mix it with the top dogs stateside.
Carl Froch was not on anyone’s mind , if I,m honest, it probably wasn,t even on carls….it was merely a way for Carl to elevate himself to that level, to plant a seed that may grow…..Carl had very little interest at the time from proper fight fans,let alone casual sports fans, who would of had no idea who he was…of course we know that Carl went on to become a standout fighter, through his actions in the ring…..he done it the old school way , and top marks to him for that…….but the timing was out by a year or two for Carl and Joe…..and that’s it in a nutshell, so let’s have no more silly talk of joe ducking Carl ….cost we know that ain’t how it went down.

Posted March 12, 2014 2:21 pm 


at the time froch was calling calzaghe, froch had nothing to bring to the table, he was not even top 10 rated at the time, that’s why the fight never happened. Whereas today, Froch will stop Groves, he knows he has the power to do that, but groves knows Froch can take his best shots and come back with more, I see possibly froch taking an 8 count once or twice before going to to KO Groves, no referee intervention needed this time

Posted March 12, 2014 2:06 pm 


Got to be honest, I don’t recall any hype regarding Calzaghe fighting Froch. And although I need to rewatch the fight again, I do recall Lacy giving Reid a beating. Don’t believe Reid even won a round.

Posted March 12, 2014 1:53 pm 


tark nobody believes you. joe by wide ud

Posted March 12, 2014 1:30 pm 


I remember the hype at the time about Calzaghe vs Froch.

It certainly was all over the Internet and reached the states… I believe It would have done better even than Froch-Groves because the animosity and fear factor was there respectivelyfrom Froch and Calzaghe.

Froch was a young buck anxious to kick Calzaghe’s ass… JC was running from the prospective beating.

Posted March 12, 2014 12:57 pm 


…. “Why on earth would Calzaghe to fight Froch who fought Reid?”

Because Froch has to fight somebody if Calzaghe won’t fight him… Reid wasn’t destroyed by Lacy. He beat Jesse Brinkley in his next fight.

Reid had lost a SD to Calzaghe and it was a way for Froch to differentiate his ability from Calzaghe’s by blowing him out.

Posted March 12, 2014 12:48 pm 


Robin Reid was destroyed by Lacy, and we all know what Calzaghe did to Lacy.

Why on earth would anyone expect Calzaghe to fight Froch who would go on to fight Reid.

They were at completely different levels at that time.

Posted March 12, 2014 12:20 pm 


Joe Cal was the best SM of his era …. but he was also a poor champion who in most part settled to protect his belt and 0. Carl Froch is a lesser of a Fighter in my mind but has show he is a champion!!

Posted March 12, 2014 11:45 am 


You don’t fight Peter Manfredo at that point instead of Carl Froch… Manfredo had those losses, one to Alfonso Gomez, and had never beaten anyone of note.

After the nothing Manfredo fight Calzaghe had and opportunity to fight Froch… Froch ended up with Robin Reid instead and stopped him in 5 to go 21-0.

It was the same kind of matchup as Froch-Groves. Young puncher versus old veteran — only Calz wouldn’t risk it.

Posted March 12, 2014 11:09 am 

this and this–>


slapper joe vs popkins. another classic example of a super fight that turned out to be a super joke.

Posted March 12, 2014 10:52 am


a prime randy turpin would of walked through these two on the same night.

Posted March 12, 2014 10:48 am

Posted March 12, 2014 10:58 am 


“Tark you have a bee in your bonnet about Calzaghe but there is no evidence to say Froch would have beaten him had they met.”

They DIDN’T meet… After repeated challenges by Froch. That my point, dummy… Calzaghe wanted to protect that “O”

Posted March 12, 2014 10:57 am 


slapper joe vs popkins. another classic example of a super fight that turned out to be a super joke.

Posted March 12, 2014 10:52 am 


a prime randy turpin would of walked through these two on the same night.

Posted March 12, 2014 10:48 am 


Froch did not want this fight because he could not bear to lose to Groves. Losing to Andre Ward or Chavez is no big deal. Same goes for Mayweather and Pacquiao. The British public insisted on the Groves fight. Floyd’s fans are just like Floyd. They’re quite fine with the tap and run…or just plain RUN…from the Filipino midget!

Posted March 12, 2014 9:48 am 


Froch even said on Ringside that the only way he could have beaten Calzaghe was by ko, that otherwise the work rate and speed of Calzaghe would have been too much..

Posted March 12, 2014 9:25 am 


As others have said. There was no huge interest in a Calzaghe v Froch fight in the UK at the time TARK is going on about.. Calzaghe was forced to fight Manfredo by HBO, then after that fight Calzaghe fought a unification match with Kessler. The Kessler fight was a much bigger fight than any fight with Froch would have been… Two unbeaten champions with three titles on the line… (should have been four titles but blame HBO for that not Calzaghe.) This will fall on TARKS deaf ears as usual though…..

Posted March 12, 2014 9:22 am 


LOL – yes it’s my trademark but not in all thing physical!! This thing is, i see grove being more of a Taylor, Darrell or ward type opponent to Froch boxing wise. And it could go either of the three ways… he can run out of gas, run like fun for most of the fight or out box him (he isn’t as good a Ward so he will not take him to school). The thing is i can see how Froch can improve his game… yes he can be more prepared mentally but not physically… and groves will not be like Kesser and stan in front of Carl and have a slug fest. Grove can improve his conditioning and look to use his speed & movement. for some strange reason and i could be wrong… i think Groves could just edge the rematch… if he make it to the end of the 12!!

Posted March 12, 2014 9:07 am 


Tark you have a bee in your bonnet about Calzaghe but there is no evidence to say Froch would have beaten him had they met. In fact I look at Calzaghe’s performance against a prime, unbeaten fierce Kessler then Froch’s loss and life and death struggle win with a far poorer Kessler as strong evidence that Joe would have been far too much. Before we talk about styles make fights, the worse style for Froch is speed and accuracy as he is pretty slow, also he thrives on toughness and stamina, 2 things Calzaghe had in abundance. The only thing Froch has over Calzaghe is power but that has never caused a problem for Joe

Posted March 12, 2014 9:03 am 


OneInchpunch – I forgot to ask,did you train froch to perform the one inch shove?Lol…he definitely moved Groves some distance from what looked like a very small shove….it looked like George was on a skateboard…

Posted March 12, 2014 8:49 am 


OneInchPunch,i don’t disagree,Groves clearly gets under carl’s skin and I can see why,he’d get under mine too.Human psychology is often odd and and seemingly contradictory,like how Froch has the will and strength of character to fight the very best,often on their turf,and can take immense physical punishment from an opponent yet comes back stronger,yet someone like Groves disrespecting him and questioning his achievements gets him unnerved and rattled.
Froch is the type of fighter who needs lots of positive reinforcement from fans,pundits,opponents etc,sometimes I’m not sure if he realises just what an immense accomplishment his resume proves,considering his limited speed and skillset.he’s a massive overachiever,purely because of his incredible drive,which may come from an insecurity.Groves is the first Froch opponent I can recall that has had total disrespect for him.What I find interesting is how Groves has mutated from the quietly confident,impeccably mannered opponent of Degale,to the little monster mouth we see today.
Groves has the advantage in speed,reflex,mobility,defence,skills,youth,ring IQ,yet this was STILL not enough to win last time.I think the ageing Froch engine is still too much for Groves and I think we’ll see a much better Froch this time out.I believe froch will stop Groves within 7 rounds,although the smart money is probably on a late stoppage.
Regardless of the near perfect gameplan and performance of Groves last time out,that version of Froch was terrible.His feet and coordination were terrible,he was slower than ever,his punch resistance seemed diminished,it looked like he was either overtrained or sleep deprived.I’m not trying to make excuses for Froch,but I’m sure nobody on here will disagree that Froch was NOT on game last time out.he may well just be on the slide,but we’ll soon find out.

Posted March 12, 2014 8:47 am 


“On 27 November 2006, it was announced that Calzaghe had signed a contract to

defend his WBO Super Middleweight title against former star of The Contender

Peter Manfredo Jr. of the United States on 7 April 2007, at Millennium Stadium

in Cardiff, Wales to be shown on HBO. Because HBO did not want to cover a fight

with the non-American mandatory IBF challenger Robert Stieglitz of Germany, and

with the opportunity to fight World Middleweight champion Jermaine Taylor in the

summer if he won against Manfredo, Calzaghe chose to fight Manfredo and as a

result had to relinquish the IBF Super Middleweight Championship.”

Posted March 12, 2014 8:24 am 


TARK…”Froch was 20-0 when Calzaghe passed him over to fight the oft beaten Peter Manfredo… in a fight that he was roundly panned for taking a flagrant cherry-pick instead of Carl Froch.”

But that never happened.. HBO INSISTED Calzaghe fought Manfredo to set up a Calzaghe Taylor fight, they refused to screen his mandatory fight with Stieglitz.. So Calzaghe had no choice but to drop the IBF belt and fight Manfredo.. Had he not fought Manfredo he would have had to fight Stieglitz without HBO covarage, not Froch..

Posted March 12, 2014 8:23 am 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

OneInch – Froch is using simpleton psychology. If you’re arguing with someone who gets under your skin, give them a distraction to get under theirs instead. It’s surprisingly effective against insecure fighters, look how Angel Garcia affected Amir Khan and Lucas Matthysse. Rather than Danny Garcia getting into the mind games, Angel does it and it can throw the other fighter off their game plan (as GG threw Froch off his last time). It probably won’t work but after seeing how highly strung GG was after the last fight, it’s an obvious ploy.

Posted March 12, 2014 8:19 am 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Groves seems really insecure, like he’s still convincing himself of the narrative. I don’t think that Froch will be as mentally unprepared next time & expect him to feel more confident. Groves hit Froch with everything in his arsenal and after a torrid first 3 rounds, Froch came on stronger as the fight progressed. Imagine if Groves throws everything at Froch again and Froch just keeps coming, Groves will either need to be smart and stay on his bike for the second half of the fight or he could fall apart mentally (like when he burst into tears after the stoppage). If Froch is fighting smart instead of headhunting (always a bad idea against a faster opponent), Groves could be in for a whole fight like the last 3 rounds rather than his expectation that it will be like the first 3 rounds. If Froch succumbs to the mind games again and is over-reaching, off balance and telegraphing his haymakers like the first round of the last fight, Groves will know that he has to close the show or risk another comeback. I expect George to be as obnoxious as possible to try to unhinge Froch but would be surprised if it works again.

Posted March 12, 2014 8:05 am 


GingerWhinger – I here what you are saying… But you can’t get passed Carl having to push Groves away or the fact he’s brought in his big brother to fight his verbal battles… a photo only tells a snap shot story. Don’t get me wrong… i have seen Carl fight live on five occasions… never seen Groves fight live!! Just saying what i see… if i’m wrong… then i’m wrong

Posted March 12, 2014 7:57 am 


Who looks calm and centred and who looks rattled in that photo?

Posted March 12, 2014 7:33 am 


Rich – it depends on how you look at the stoppage… clearly Groves thinks it was incorrect. If Grove’s believes he didn’t lose but was robbed… then he would have the confidence/Smug attitude. Only Groves knows what his condition was when the ref stopped the fight…. Clearly he thinks he was robbed and did not lose!!

Posted March 12, 2014 7:04 am 


Oneinchpunch……I would think Groves would be far from smug,after all he did lose to Froch….What sort of recommendation is that..I zigged when i should have zagged….

Posted March 12, 2014 6:46 am 


Very good article and a lot of truth in it I’d say – almost unusual for ESB these days!! GG seems to have become a bit of a nightmare for Froch who I think needs to seriously switch-on mentally for the re-match. GG took us all by surprise in the first fight but that element of surprise is gone now and Froch needs to channel whatever frustration and annoyance he might be feeling into his training and mental preparation. GG will no doubt ‘bring it’ again but this time Froch will be ready and may well have the answers without being beaten half to death in the process!!!

Posted March 12, 2014 6:38 am 


Froch was just a bit too late in his career for Calzaghe, sure he was calling Calzaghe out at the end, but Joe had his plans to finish his career.
The timing was just not right, and it’s hard to see any reason why Calzaghe would essentially take a backward fight against Froch.

Johnson, would have been a good fight, but really Hopkins was the tougher fight by far and being away.

The Jones fight much less a challenge, but the style of the win was still impressive.

Froch can’t compete in the same way, but another win over Groves creates his own path to walk. A loss however will be very damaging for him.

Posted March 12, 2014 6:25 am 


First and foremost…. Good article.

I am edging towards Grove in the rematch… he knows he can outbox Froch, he knows he has the power to trouble and hurt Froch, he knows he is inside Froch’s head, he knows if he keeps on saying to Froch “everything for a reason” will piss Froch off, he knows Froch can’t improve his speed or movement, He knows Froch didn’t want this fight at all, and most importantly he knows he needs to improve his condition and pace himself for the rematch. He knows that Froch’s only option is to press and rush him. Wouldn’t you be smug with this knowledge and belief in yourself…? More importantly Grove told Froch he was going to come at him in the first three round of their first fight… and he would deliver his right hand on his chin in each of the first three rounds!! The only real concern I have for Groves is over confidence

Posted March 12, 2014 6:05 am 


Groves is coming across a bit smug,I hope the Cobra KO’s his a$$.

Posted March 12, 2014 5:32 am 


Best article ive read in a long time. Well done sir

Posted March 12, 2014 4:28 am 


Anonymous..done my homework,thanks, But calling yourself ” the real anonymous” isn’t that a level of self contradiction in terms,or at the very least an oxymoron…..

Posted March 12, 2014 4:22 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

I’ve never seen Froch so ratted as when he’s around George Groves.

Posted March 12, 2014 4:19 am 

Kelly Smunt

YOu know what is even worse than not fighting world champion calibre fighters- taking PEDS and fighting them like Tarver and JOnes Jnr did, because they are a pair of cheats.

Anyway I am not lauding Woods, I am saying there was more buzz and likelihood around Calzaghe-Woods circa 2008 than there ever was around Froch-Calzaghe after Froch beat Dodson.

You weren`t in the UK at this time, you don`t know what was happening, and you are trying to tell people who were they are wrong.

Posted March 12, 2014 3:24 am 


Agree with most of what you say mmak47. there is a lot to admire about Froch.


No chance that Froch can outjab Groves. None. Froch has to turn this into a brawl if he has any chance.

Groves is going to retire him.

Posted March 12, 2014 3:19 am 


I hav always admired frochs courage n looking at his fight record n the level of opposition ther is no doubt he has fought the best of the best , title fight after title fight..But now that he is coming t the end of his career this is one fight mayb deep down inside he did not want t take on, not becoz he fears groves but becoz ..u guys n me n every1else knows that groves really does hav a genuine chance of beatin froch ..Now having said all that I do believe froch wil fight da same fight he fought against Arthur Abraham .tight defence ..solid jab smashing groves face everytime .. if froch brings that game plan (he does hav 1of the finest jabs in the business) he shud beat groves by late stoppage.

Posted March 12, 2014 1:36 am 

third world

i was very critical of carl froch for the longest time. i respect him more now more than ever for taking this rematch. the stoppage was suspect in the first one. unjust really.totally. but something tells me carl comes out victorious in this one. tough fight for groves to replicate what he did the first time now that carl knows what he against. the element of surprise is not there this time. ud for carl.

Posted March 12, 2014 1:31 am 


LMAO — There’s nothing easier than saying a guy would beat the world champion caliber fighters who challenged him but he simply refused to fight.
“Oh him??? Yeah, we never fought but I would of beat him.”

When they fought guys like Peter Manfredo instead.

Woods didn’t smack Johnson. He won and lost to him years later on than when Johnson was signed to fight Calzaghe … Roy Jones knocked Woods out with very little effort when he was prime.

Posted March 12, 2014 12:55 am 


Posted March 12, 2014 12:01 am 


“you dumb MFer”, lol, that was funny.

Posted March 11, 2014 11:57 pm 


Tark, Calzaghe was at Taco Bell at the time in Wales.

Posted March 11, 2014 11:39 pm 


Idiot Erine/AKA Andrei…, That’s not a convincing accent.. I know Ukranie is part of Europe you dumb MFer… And the pie hole is in the middle of your puckering brown smeared face.

Posted March 11, 2014 11:34 pm 


Joe Calzaghe was a very good fighter. Nothing wrong with him … Calzaghe did what a lot of smart fighters do.. He ducked guys he thought might beat him.. He wanted to keep that “O”

One of those guys was Carl Froch.. Ask Froch about this if you like.. From the time he was 16-0 he says he knew he could beat Calzaghe — but he never got the chance to prove it… The more experienced and deadly he became with his fists, the more remote his chances of getting Calzaghe into a ring.

Glen Johnson had a fight signed with Calzaghe… He waited and waited through 3 postponements, realizing that Calzaghe got cold feet and would probably never fight him.

Chad Dawson had been world LHW champion for a long time and wanted to unify with Calzaghe… But he was a good prime boxer and obviously never got the chance.

Antonio Tarver was anxious to fight Calzaghe for years when he was the LHW Champion… He was a tricky southpaw with KO power who finally got reluctant Roy Jones to fight him … and became the 1st man to send Roy Jones down and out.. After Tarver beat Clinton Woods for his 4th LHW Title he issued one of his many challenges to Calzaghe — which fell on deaf ears.

Posted March 11, 2014 11:28 pm 


Calzaghe had brittle hands, couldn’t really punch properly, Lacy and the rest got a good slapping, if they got a good punching, it would of been worse, Calzaghe was too good even with brittle hands.

Posted March 11, 2014 10:49 pm 


Tark, what is wrong with Calzaghe, he was 46-0, 13-14 year Boxing professionally, took heavy punches, only 2 or 3 times got back up, like it was nothing and went on to win the round, he was an ABA amateur champion 3 times, so it wasn’t a fluke that he did well in the professional ranks.

Posted March 11, 2014 10:43 pm 

Sugar Calzaghe

Calzaghe would have had trouble with Johnson, that is the asterisk on his boxing record, Calzaghe ran from Johnson, I can’t beat him, he is too good, too difficult to beat, I won’t run circles round him and win an easy points fight.

Posted March 11, 2014 10:36 pm 


And how many fights did George Groves have when he fought Froch the first time for the title??? 19 or 20?

That’s how many Carl Froch had.. Froch was 20-0 when Calzaghe passed him over to fight the oft beaten Peter Manfredo… in a fight that he was roundly panned for taking a flagrant cherry-pick instead of Carl Froch.

In Froch’s next fight, after failing to secure a fight with the hated Calzaghe again, he stopped Robin Reid.

Posted March 11, 2014 10:32 pm 


Johnson was the World Champion when he knocked out Roy Jones and beat Tarver…

That’s why he had a fight signed with Calzaghe… but obviously JC didn’t want to fight him and never went through with the fight… Calzaghe eventually fought Hopkins because he was 43… and Roy Jones because he was knocked out 3 times and beaten half to death.

Posted March 11, 2014 10:26 pm 


All these guys are the same guy… Idiot Ernie

These aren’t names of regular posters.

Posted March 11, 2014 10:21 pm 

Steve UK

Shut your mouth TARK you tosser.

Posted March 11, 2014 10:10 pm 


Box…, “Calzaghe was 46-0 for a reason.”

Right… He refused to fight Froch, Dawson, Tarver, or Johnson.

Johnson had just dominated and embalmed Roy Jones, and much to my amazement seemed to have a fight going with Calzaghe… But Joe postponed the fight once… twice… three times… then killed the fight.

Glen.., “Yeah, his style is perfect for me. He’s right in front of you and keeps throwing with both hands. I waited forever for Calzaghe to get his hands right … and whatever else was holding him up. But I guess I knew he would never fight me. After what I did to Roy Jones … I’m his worst nightmare.”

Posted March 11, 2014 10:00 pm 


TARK said the fans at Wembley will be eating “Hot Dogs and Pretzels” at the fight. LOL … the guy is totally clueless and regularly slags the UK off. He’s a complete wanker.

Posted March 11, 2014 9:57 pm 



Don’t waste your time on Tark. The brainless moron always slags Calzaghe off, he’s a prick and totally for of crap.

Posted March 11, 2014 9:53 pm 


Calzaghe was 46-0 for a reason, fought all the styles, fought away, a very genuine unbeaten record.

Posted March 11, 2014 9:43 pm 


Froch was asking for the fight ater the Lacy fight and the Kessler fight, Froch phoned Calzaghe, Calzaghe said if the money is right we will do it, the money wan’t there and it wasn’t a big fight at the time. Calzaghe went on to fight Hopkins, beat him and the Jones fight which Calzaghe got a guaranteed $10 millon, it was a PPV fight in the USA.

Posted March 11, 2014 9:27 pm 


Was that some sort of joke,ok, well done funny.

Posted March 11, 2014 9:18 pm 


Posted March 11, 2014 9:06 pm 


Box… “Calzaghe v Froch, it was not a big fight”

The HELL is wasn’t a big fight… EVERYBODY wanted to see it.. I’m in America and I was even anxious to see it.. I’d rather have watched it than Froch-Groves ANYTIME!!!

Calzaghe was a world champion like Froch is now..

Froch was an undefeated youngster like Groves was.

Froche’s loud challenges to to Calzaghe echoed all over the Internet for years… Everyone in the UK wanted to see the fight… It would have done even bigger biz than Froch-Groves… But Calzaghe made excuse after excuse after excuse—just like he did for every great prime fighter.

Certainly it would have been 10 X as big as Calzaghe-Manfredo. Which was a cherry-picked walkover JC fought unstead of the very formidable Froch.

Posted March 11, 2014 8:57 pm 


It just wasn’t a fight that made logical sense at the time.

Posted March 11, 2014 8:26 pm 



Posted March 11, 2014 8:20 pm 


Tark, what you talking about, Calzaghe v Froch, it was not a big fight, Froch had not fought anyone, it was a not a big fight for Calzaghe, it would not of made money at all at the time, Calzaghe was looking for the big fight pay days, he wasn’t avoiding Froch, because he might lose, the Froch v Calzaghe fight was just not there at the ti

Posted March 11, 2014 8:17 pm 


Best boxing movie ever?

I’ll go for Body and Soul – John Garfield.

Posted March 11, 2014 8:16 pm 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Every time I’ve heard people suggest that Froch wanted to duck the Groves rematch (rather than that he wanted to fulfill his ambition of headlining a Vegas fight), I just remember Groves crying after the last fight. In the build up he acted like a playground bully, trying to say that Froch was going to cry & taunting him. I thought that him looking busted up & crying at the end of the fight showed him up as a failed bully. Yes, Froch’s brother acted like a fool at the press conference. The fool that he acted like was George Groves, who appears as classless outside the ring as he does classy inside it. I watched the pre-fight interview last time around in a room full of non-boxing in-laws & they couldn’t believe how much of an arrogant idiot Groves looked. Hopefully Groves will learn from this, he’s good but only special fighters can be complete tools & still popular in the long term.

Having the fight at Wembley is allowing Groves to build a bit of a fan base. Someone (think it was Peej) pointed out the other day that the crowd were booing Froch when he defended the ref in the post-fight interview, not booing him as a fighter. The media are really trying to turn it into Groves of London vs Froch from North of London but this is boxing, where fans rarely pick favourites based purely on locality. I expect the crowd to have plenty of mocknies supporting Groves but most people I know have split loyalties.

As boxers I like both of them. As men I doubt I’d want to hang around either for long. I have to respect Froch because of the fights he’s given us (Taylor & Kessler 1 were broadcast on a rubbish £10 PPV channel in the UK by the way). This could go either way but I would like to see Froch win & get his Vegas fight & Ward rematch.

Posted March 11, 2014 8:06 pm 


Froch would have murdered Calzaghe… Calzaghe had a southpaw style that was much like then undefeated Bute… Both Bute and Calzaghe super easy to hit.

And you know damned well Calzaghe would have fought Froch if he thought he could beat him… Because the gate would have blown even Froch-Groves II away.

Posted March 11, 2014 7:57 pm 


I have to hand it to Europe…

The crowds for Hatton-Lazcano… Calzaghe-Kessler… Froch-Groves… Klitschko-Chagaev… Klitschko-Haye… Klitschko-Adamek… Klitschko-Charr… Klitschko-Povetkin… and Froch-Groves II are amazing… Froch Groves II might even pull 100,000 if they can squeeze them in.

Dempsey fought Tunney in front of 100,000 and Louis fought Baer in front of 88,000 in Yankee Stadium… What the Hell is wrong with promoters today that we don’t do stadium fights that often???

Canelo-Trout was 42,000… Pacquiao-Clottey was 53,000… Those were sleepy fights versus sleepy opponents.

Imagine if we put a super fight in a massive stadium instead of the dull, flat ones. They keep building bigger and bigger stadiums for pro football… Make use of them you unimaginative promoters.

Posted March 11, 2014 7:46 pm 


The same old deluded crap from TARK the moron. Like a broken record stuck in the same place. Calzaghe was crap, I hate him, he beat a old washed up RJJ and B-Hop. Blah blah blah … yawn yawn yawn … shut up TARK you deluded twat.

Posted March 11, 2014 7:35 pm 


“However, the world will be watching the MEGA WORLD WAR II between Manny Pacquiao and Bradley on April 12th first and foremost.”

Ha! that’s pretty funny. I couldn’t give a toss about the Manny v Timmy fight. Mega World War? What a joke. LOL it won’t be anywhere near as as exciting as the Froch v Groves fight. Not even close. How many people will be at the Manny v Timmy fight? 15,000 at best? LMAO! Compared to 80,000 thousand at Wembley Stadium!!!

US fight fans refuse to accept that the days when the USA was the fight capital of the world have long gone. Europe is where it’s at now, that’s where the mega fights take place with massive crowds with 50,000 and more. Americans don’t eat humble pie because if they did, they would choke on it.

Posted March 11, 2014 7:27 pm 


At least Froch has the guts to face a young British rival at age 36…

Froch was more advanced then Groves is now when he started challenging Calzaghe and JC even fought super weak cherry-picks like Peter Manfredo rather than fight a massive blockbuster money fight vs Carl Froch. It would have been the biggest fight EVER in the UK.

Then Calzaghe finishes off with 2 very elderly opponents he should have fought 10 years previously.

That completes the reasons Froch has so much contempt for Calzaghe… Carl knows he would have beaten JC badly and Joe knows it too — or he would have taken the money.

Posted March 11, 2014 7:25 pm 

Christ’s Chin

Froch will lose by spectacular KO before the 3rd round. In front of 80,000 of his own fans in London. Groves will be roared onto victory while Froch and his thug brothers will look like the deluded fools they are.

Posted March 11, 2014 7:17 pm 


Froch never stopped Groves, the ref did and Froch was booed out of the arena.

Any fanbase Froch had built over the last couple of years he lost at the ringside interview post-fight and in the days after.

Froch HAS been forced into this and it was only the IBF’s insistence on him re matching Groves that we have this fight, otherwise we’d be strong-armed into a watching him fight a bloated Chavez Jnr.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:42 pm 


True, Calzaghe never had a “great” British rival. Froch does, yet ironically Groves is one of the least experienced fighters Carl has faced during his championship fights – a crushing loss to George could tarnish Froch’s potential hall of fame credibility. Froch has always been bitterly envious if Calzaghe. It must drive him mad to think Joe finished his career against legends Hops and RJJ in Vegas and MSG, also winning Sports Personality if the year in the UK, yet Carl may end his with a loss to a young upstart like Groves, or even a scrap with blown up middle weight JC junior is not much more flattering.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:38 pm 


From the first fight we know that Groves was the better boxer, had the game plan, but came away from it for whatever reason. I had him 2 rounds up at the time of stoppage. Like others have said, after re watching it and getting over the shock of how good groves was, it was a closer fight in the first 6 rounds than has been made out. However, I don’t think groves can improve him stamina. He clearly trained his hardest for that fight and had little left in the second half of the fight. Even if froch did not get the KO he would probably won the next 3 rounds and got the points nod in any event. Froch on points because he actually turns up with a game plan this time.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:35 pm 

Sweet Science II

I think Froch will beat Groves again.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:33 pm 

Sweet Science II

This will be a British WAR II. The world will be spectators watching this British go to WAR.

However, the world will be watching the MEGA WORLD WAR II between Manny Pacquiao and Bradley on April 12th first and foremost.

Who would watch the cherry-picking match between the American cherry picker Mayweather and the Argentinian turtle Maidana? Maybe the Floydiots, no one else.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:32 pm 

Fight Fan

Groves is a good fighter, speed, power and movement. Carl is a great boxer, who can take a punch and a huge engine. The crowd will play its part for Groves. Carl has never been stopped but knows how to end a fight.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:12 pm 


Froch to KO Groves by round 7.Everyone will be saying how ordinary Groves looked and how easily he buckled.This will be a totally different fight from the first one.Groves will be the one that’s agitated and wound up,and his over confidence will lead him to try for an early knockout in the first 4rounds,only to be gassed,while Froch will be mentally in a better place,and take Groves apart culminating in a big KO.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:10 pm 


Yes, valid point regarding winning Championship fight, and alot of that comes from experience.

Another point is just how much Frosh has had to fight out of Joe Calzaghe’s shadow, and now that this domestic rivalry has been established, it provides Froch with the perfect vehicle, even if it is a little late, it is still something Calzaghe did not have.

Posted March 11, 2014 6:02 pm 


Interesting point about winning Championship fights. I think perhaps Groves let the occasion get to him last time; I remember him dropping his hands in the 6th out of sheer arrogance.
That said, I don’t see how Froch can do anything with his jab. GG’s jab is quicker, more accurate, and power powerful.

I want to see Groves knock Froch out but this could easily be a Ward-like boxing lesson. Obviously GG isn’t on Ward’s level, but he’s still an excellent boxer.

Posted March 11, 2014 5:48 pm 


@Anonymous there’s an old english saying – “don’t kill the goose!!!” thats why floyd never thought pacman

Posted March 11, 2014 5:46 pm 

Fight Fan

Carl will attempt to outbox Groves in the early rounds using the jab to keep him off balance. Groves I think will try and end the fight in the first 4 rounds, going for broke to force a stoppage. I see this being a classic night for boxing, with both boxers being put on the canvas. Prediction: I think Groves knows how to beat Carl, but Carl knows how to win championship fights . TKO round 11.

Posted March 11, 2014 5:34 pm 


This rematch has been based on Groves getting short changed in the first fight, But it was actually Froch who was robbed of a decisive KO.

I think Froch wanted to move on because he knew he beat Groves fair and square, but now that the rematch is on, I expect him to go all out and destroy Groves in spectacular fashion, and to be honest I hope he does, so that Groves gets a reality check and realises just how lucky he was first time round and can take defeat like a man instead of a spoilt child.

Posted March 11, 2014 5:24 pm 


Groves will correct the robbery

Posted March 11, 2014 5:19 pm 


I like Groves defiance & un-afraid attitude; nothing that Carl does rattle him & that must bother Froch…this kid is a worthy challenge.

Posted March 11, 2014 5:03 pm 


Author has this all wrong. Mayweather doesn’t choose his opponents – Money does!!!! Khan wasn’t commercial viable at this point & showtime, Haymon, GBP and ultimately Mayweather realised that, with backlash it wasn’t a biggest money deal. Like wise forget all this stuff about froch having anything to prove e.t.c. Froch is fighting groves & in london because of money and nothing else, froch has absoultely nothing to prove – froch like mayweather calls the shot but both of them to sum it up in one are “prizefighters”!!!!!!

Posted March 11, 2014 4:34 pm 


ebillie… You’re talking to yourself again you drunken, drug addled, mumbling moron. Groves is going to get another canning — only worse this time because the ref won’t save him. Flauncey hair dressers like you ought to know that.

Posted March 11, 2014 4:32 pm 


Groves will win.

Posted March 11, 2014 4:25 pm 


False, Tark. I cannot stand Froch and really like Groves and I don’t fit in to any of your absurd categories.

Froch’s only – repeat, only – chance is if Groves gasses out. I don’t think this will happen again.

Groves will KO Froch within 8 rounds.

Posted March 11, 2014 4:09 pm 



“Dad, I would like you to meet my new boyfriend…..his name is enormous…..Ya wat…what sort of twat name is that….sorry dad it’s anonymous…..what ..why..has he got a job….no dad,…Is he on the voters list……er no dad,… Dad he’s going now he wan’ts to say goodbye….F***k off anonytwat….”

Hahhahaha what an idiot. Clearly the comments above are written by a school kid. Go and do your homework for school little boy.

Posted March 11, 2014 3:46 pm 


Dad, I would like you to meet my new boyfriend…..his name is enormous…..Ya wat…what sort of twat name is that….sorry dad it’s anonymous…..what ..why..has he got a job….no dad,…Is he on the voters list……er no dad,… Dad he’s going now he wan’ts to say goodbye….F***k off anonytwat….

Posted March 11, 2014 3:29 pm 


I bet he don’t. Groves by KO.

Posted March 11, 2014 3:26 pm 


Froch wins. It’s that simple.

Posted March 11, 2014 3:18 pm 


I’m the REAL Anonymous!

Posted March 11, 2014 3:12 pm 


Anonymous….are you one and the same or different characters…. perhaps we should all go under this name to preserve our anonymity.or not to be confused label it 1 or 2

Posted March 11, 2014 3:05 pm 


Froch is lucky – lucky as they come. He gets off his back, wins the fight by stoppage and then has the same opponent delivered along with a sold out giant venue. If Groves does win number 2 how big will #3 be?

Posted March 11, 2014 3:03 pm 


Froch handled Groves in sparring and I think that went to his head and that caused him to come in over confident. I think Froch has tasted the power and will come back smarter. Froch stops Groves in this fight.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:59 pm 


Froch’s arrogance was what sabotaged the first fight for him. maybe now that he knows what Groves can do and he sees Groves as a legitimate threat, he’ll fight a better fight

Posted March 11, 2014 2:43 pm 


“Carl won’t get dropped this time”

Oh yes he will. You wait and see. Froch’s number is up, Groves will nail him this time.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:32 pm 


People on here keep writing if the fight had not been stopped George would have retaliated and gone on to win….big if that…but if you wanna go with ifs…That right hand George threw was a beut and Carl caught it just in the right place and the look of embarrassment was clouded by the look of hurt.George made a mistake by not going fully after Froch and trying to put an end to it.The next couple of rounds Carl was running on near empty…..Here’s where the if comes in…If he had not dropped Froch he would of had to contend with a much stronger and a more focused fighter whose wits were about him…. Carl won’t get dropped this time…..

Posted March 11, 2014 2:23 pm 


some boxers shouldn’t get to pick and choose who they fight, because they will always cherrypick the least dangerous opponent.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:22 pm 


all I gotta say is – froch lost to dirrell.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:17 pm 

Fight Aficionado

I don’t think Froch is reluctant. His initial stalling was a negotiations ploy that we all fell for. Fact is this is a huge fight in England where each British pound is still worth $1.50. Combine that with the mass PPV buys and likely 80,000 fans at the gate it’s a bigger money fight than Chavez Jr would’ve been.

Posted March 11, 2014 2:16 pm 

George Dawes, Look At The Scores!

I like TARK’s first post…he forgot the Sun readers though, LOL!!

Posted March 11, 2014 2:15 pm 


Joker don’t try an reason with Tark he’s an idiot. your wasting your time.

Posted March 11, 2014 1:48 pm 



Listen to TARK he knows what he’s talking about, after all 80,000 fans will be eating ‘Pretzels and Hot Dogs’ :) LMFAO!!!

Posted March 11, 2014 1:44 pm 


@Tark, concerning your first post in this thread. Boxing is about more than just the will to win or the capacity to walk through a mist of blood. Skills wins fights at the championship level, heart does not.

Groves showcased exactly this in the first fight, but seemingly you didn’t learn anything from it…Froch gets absolutely hammered if he goes in there like a wildman, absolutely destroyed I tell ya

Posted March 11, 2014 1:25 pm 


Groves has got that big head and fat face like Kessler… A real nice target… After 9 rounds with Carl he looked like a raw beefsteak.

Posted March 11, 2014 1:20 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

groves was actling a like a lil biznitch last time after the fight.

Posted March 11, 2014 1:16 pm 


It’s sad that Froch can be forced to fight someone, but Fraud and the Little Guy can’t.

Surely Froch could have demanded that Groves leave his manager before Froch would agree to fight him again…

Posted March 11, 2014 1:04 pm 


Froch isn’t reluctant to take this fight… He already stopped Groves so he’s not worried.

He’s going to make tons of money because he’s fighting an arrogant, prim, flouncing, motor mouth who wears red pants. A lot of working class Brits look at Groves and bust out in laughter—but just as many like the kid. The bankers… the hair dressers… the interior decorators… the fashion designers… the Avon ladies… anyone who picked Nathan Cleverly to beat Sergei Kovalev… the Calzaghe faction… and basically anyone else to hates Froch and his girl friend… That adds up to one HELL of a lot of Brits… This fight is HUGE.

Groves has a dangerous right hand and caught Froch flush in the first fight.. If that didn’t happen… and if the premature stoppage didn’t happen… this fight wouldn’t be the biggest all time blockbuster tangle to ever hit England…

Hearn must be thinking, “It’s funny the way this worked out… But this is perfect.”

So Froch isn’t unhappy… This fight gives him a chance to be THE STORY. It’s like the Kessler rematch in some ways… It’s a lot like the Bute fight in other ways… Only it’s much, much bigger—because although Groves can’t box, he’s better than Kessler or Bute.

Groves is not Calzaghe—but he IS somebody Froch hates almost as much as Calzaghe… That has to motivate Froch to the quasars… He’s going to be ready. He’s going to be amped… He’s going to be a slower, older, and less powerful version of Sergei Kovalev. When the fight finally turns in his favor he’ll be like a wolf on a lamb … a homicidal maniac… so satisfying!!!

Posted March 11, 2014 1:03 pm 


froch again only quicker.

Posted March 11, 2014 12:47 pm 


Taking Froch by stoppage in this fight.

Posted March 11, 2014 12:22 pm 


An excellent article.

Groves was dishonest in claiming, at the press conference, that Froch was forced to take the fight by the IBF, since Groves had already been offered a 25%/75% split to take the fight *before* the IBF mandated it (ironically, in view of the fact that Groves had turned said offer down, suggesting a 15%/85% split).

However, I think it was quite clear Froch would have preferred to fight Chavez in Vegas, and this article is a nice balanced assessment of the situation. Froch was indeed reluctant, but now that it’s going to be such a massive fight at Wembley, I’m quite sure that he’ll be able to “get up” for it, as they say.

Posted March 11, 2014 12:09 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

I hope Froch beats Groves again.

Posted March 11, 2014 11:20 am 

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