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Another truth is that Lewis got truly KO’d by 2 guys who will never be HOFers. He was lucky that McCall was so out of it in the rematch and lucky his glove gashed up Vit so bad. It was a “Murphy’s law ” thing for Vitali. I would call
them equals but maybe even have a slight edge for Vitali. But then again Lewis’s opposition may have been better.
However some of those names were somewhat depreciated and passed their peak. Awww….I’d have to go with equal for them.

Posted September 5, 2012 11:09 am 


No , Swedish Boxing , It is Vitaly, who will be remembered as the greatest fighter .
One who never actually LOST a fight
( no one actually beat him ) , who was NEVER knocked OUT , who was never even knocked DOWN ! A fighter who
NEVER ducked ANYONE , never
refused to fight ANYONE and NEVER
reneged on a rematch . A fighter
who not only earned respect by his
performence and behavior, but who also respects others . A fighter who
has always shown ; class , generosity and intelligence . There is NO ONE
past or present , that qualifies better than Vitaly Klitchko !

Posted September 5, 2012 10:11 am 

Manuel Charr – Chatty Man

It’s gonna be a Charr-d days night for Vitali, he will be sleeping like a log once he feels the full force of my world renowned left hook. CHARRRRRRRRRHOOOOOOOOK. Remember Rocky IV 1986, like the T Shirt

Posted September 5, 2012 7:48 am 



Posted September 5, 2012 6:42 am 

B Red

the truth is Vitali got stopped and no one can change that. You guys are just wishing on a star. Lennox retired on top

Posted September 5, 2012 1:31 am 


We will have to wait many many years to find out how many HOFers the Klitschkos and Haye beat.. It will probably be pretty many HOFers.. Ingemar Johansson is a HOFer who never won a single title defense.. So in contrast to that Haye, Adamek, and Briggs are 2-time World Champions… Haye will probably be a 3-time World Champion.. Haye and Adamek are 2-division World Champions so these guys are headed for the Hall … Some of the HOFers Ali fought, such as Archie Moore, were 50-year-old light heavyweights. Some were terrible fighters, but they beat Ali, so it’s circular thinking. To me it’s how good you were, not beating Patterson and Liston when they had a fork in ’em …. The best boxer Ali fought was Larry Holmes, and he delayed fighting Larry for several years, fighting neophytes like Leon Spinks instead.

Posted September 5, 2012 1:06 am 


New ESB format same old conspiracy trying to remove Lewis victory pover Vitali..

Posted September 4, 2012 10:39 pm 



Posted September 4, 2012 8:03 pm 


That’s what most people would say. Just look at the record book and Lewis beat Vitali… But an insightful ranking would take on a deeper analysis because Vital was leading on ALL SCORECARDS when the fight was stopped. Also a careful studying of the fight uncovers that the 3 deep jagged gashes on Vitali’s face were ripped open by foul blows from the heel and palm of Lewis’s right glove, and that Lewis was flagrantly holding and hitting when the deep gashes were inflicted. Lewis never cut another opponent like that — and Vitali has never been cut up like that, he’s no bleeder.

Posted September 4, 2012 7:45 pm 

B Red

Tru dat

Posted September 4, 2012 6:37 pm 

B Red

I have Vitali as the second greatest Hw from Europe. Lennox is first, Vitali second

Posted September 4, 2012 6:33 pm 


Ali should NOT be compared with Ezzard Charles or Gene Tunney.. They were much better boxers.. Before the onset of ALS symptoms, which slowed and eventually killed him, Charles was a masterful middleweight and light heavyweight boxer.. Charles was fantastic up until 1951 when Walcott crushed him in a massive upset. Charles had easily beaten the aging Walcott twice in earlier fights, but Charles was only 20% of the peak Charles by then … Tunney won every round by a wide margin before stopping Tom Heeney in his last fight. Heeney fought a draw with Jack Sharkey. Tunney was still getting better when he quit at 31. By then Tunney was a master-boxer and almost unhittable. Just about anybody with a good healthy swing could ring Ali’s bell—as Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, and even Leon Spinks proved.

Posted September 4, 2012 4:50 pm 


Ali was agile when he was fighting pathetic worthless wrecks like Henry Cooper, Joe Bugner and Chuck Wepner… When Ali fought much better and stronger athletes like Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Jimmy Young, or even fat little Smokin, a lot of that meaningless dancing and “agility” flew straight out the window.. That’s why they all beat him.. David Haye has better speed and much better head movement and defensive moves than Ali.. He punches 3 times as hard — and can do 10 times as many pushups and pullups.

Posted September 4, 2012 4:16 pm 


Ali was really out of it when Cooper knocked him down. But no ko thanks to Angelo Dundee providing for a longer
rest for clay. Jimmy Young outboxed ali face it. A number of those guys Ali fought wouldn’t be anywhere near the top ten
in todays world. The heavies don’t fight guys under 200 lbs. today like Ali did(Including HOFr’s Foster, Patterson, and Moore. Doug was thought by many to have beaten Ali in their controversial decision, Dough Jones, that ‘ol light heavy.

Posted September 4, 2012 4:03 pm 

Swedish Boxing Fan

TARK – I agree with you about Mohammed Ali and Larry Holmes, Ali was not the greatest at all as he have been created by people to be.

Posted September 4, 2012 2:36 pm 


Ali wasn’t the greatest by a long shot… Ali’s defense sucked. He got his clock cleaned by a rank amateur who had only 7 pro fights. Ali fought Leon Spinks because he was ducking Larry Holmes, a man he knew he couldn’t beat in 100 years. Ali got outboxed by Ron Lyle for 10 rounds, a challenger so slow and inept he wouldn’t be heard from today. As far as Lewis is concerned, he was a great fighter but was losing the Vitali fight when it was called on cuts — cuts ripped open by illegal palming blows delivered while holding Vitali’s head motionless with his left arm … Lewis promised Vitali a rematch, but he knew he would renege on that promise.

Posted September 4, 2012 2:18 pm 

B Red

Klits are not in the top ten greatest Hws of all time

Posted September 4, 2012 2:17 pm 

Carlos El Guapo

This guy is in denial that Ali wasn’t the greatest maybe?

Posted September 4, 2012 1:37 pm 


just further proof that Heavyweight Boxing is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

Posted September 4, 2012 12:50 pm 


Lewis got a good deal when McCall was allowed to fight him at that time for their second bout too. I still wonder if Lewis could beat Oliver when he was “right”.

Posted September 4, 2012 12:20 pm 


My money would have been on Vitali on a rematch with Lewis.. Vitali took the fight on 2 weeks notice and had no chance to negotiate for a neutral referee.. Even with deep jagged cuts bleeding into Vitali’s left eye, Lewis still couldn’t shake or hurt Vitali. Lewis fell behind on points and STAYED behind.. It’s almost impossible to open deep jagged cuts, such as opened up on Vitali’s left cheek, with legal blows. Those cuts were opened with the heel of Lewis’s right glove as he put Vitali in a headlock with his left.. Once after commentator George Foreman loudly said, “The referee has got to stop this holding and hitting by Lewis” the referee tepidly warned Lewis about illegal blows by holding up the palm of his hand and saying, “No palming.” Lewis gave the referee a cold dismissive glance, like he was eyeing toilet paper after blowing his nose.. Well after the bell sounded to end the sixth round Lewis threw a late left hook at Vitali’s jaw — and no warning from the referee.

Posted September 4, 2012 12:06 pm 


How about Pete Rademacher? Ali wasn’t really that good against Evangelista, Coopman it was hard not to be good against him. Anyway I still contend that because there are so many more heavyweights today and also the division
is 200 lbs.+, that the current version of the heavyweight division is without question superior to that of Ali’s time.

Posted September 4, 2012 11:36 am 


It all depends on the election. If Vitali is elected, he will have to retire. And I think at the age of 41, it’s about time for the great warrior. I would have loved to see a rematch between Lennox and him (my money would have been on Lennox btw), but except for this, Vitali had a great career. Thx, big man from the Ukraine. Good luck in the biggest and dirtiest fight you can face: politics. Headbutts and low blows are allowed from now on. :mrgreen:

Posted September 4, 2012 11:32 am 


Is okay for Vitali at age 41, and thinking in a public position ahead

Posted September 4, 2012 11:05 am 


How can you be a bum when you’ve won all your fights, most of your opponents have winning records, and most of them won the vast majority of their fights??? Charr’s opponents are certainly better than those of Alfredo Evangelista and Jean Pierre Coopman …. At least Vitali isn’t fighting somebody with 7 pro fights, such as Leon Spinks or Marvis Frazier.

Posted September 4, 2012 10:59 am 


Would you settle for the loser boxtra?

Posted September 4, 2012 10:36 am 


I always considered Vitali as the best but with being over 40 now I’d have to go with Vlad. Vit should probably retire
he has nothing to prove and he certainly doesn’t need the money.

Posted September 4, 2012 10:22 am 


So much man meat in these two heavyweights. I predict that I will be drooling over these two men while watching this fight from my bed. Wish I could go home with the winner. I am the greatest man lover of all time.

Posted September 4, 2012 9:48 am 


Make sure you catch it – I saw it on the cinema here in Germany, its great!

Posted September 4, 2012 8:38 am 

whiteman in dnial ali was truly the greatest

another bum tis is sad the hw stink

Posted September 4, 2012 8:09 am 


vitali and the K-family have unfinished business with Haye. The family jewels need to be honored. There is a lot of jewels to be made.

Posted September 4, 2012 7:41 am 

Swedish Boxing Fan

I have lots of respect for Vitali Klitschko but I preffer Wladimir Klitschko before Vitali for many reasons but the 2 most imoprtant reasons is that 1. Waldimir is the most skilled and gifted fighter between them and 2. Wladimir is the true world heavyweight champion and Vitali is second best in the world. Vitali just don’t have that true champion charisma and was more interesting back when he was a contender but then again, Vitali wins his fights so he does his job alright.

Posted September 4, 2012 6:58 am 


Mix…Agreed it could be Haye will then be his last fight. Poor Charr dont really stand a chance,but atleast hes willing to get in the ring with him unlike Povitkin.And at 27 Charr will still have many years ahead of him to try and do something in the division.

Posted September 4, 2012 6:30 am 

Bill (KlichKO brothers are the best REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS ever)

hahah lil bro is 36! :) Clearly a little boy :)

Posted September 4, 2012 6:27 am 


This will not be Vitali’s last fight. The WBC have broken bread with David Haye & it’s all about £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$.

Posted September 4, 2012 5:29 am 

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