Bradley vs Abregu Interview Transcript
Gary Shaw: The HBO-televised portion of the July 17 card in The Show at Agua Caliente Casino Resort will open with a 12-round junior middleweight fight between Alfredo Angulo and Joachim Alcine. Angulo is one of boxingís most exciting fighters and Alcine, a former world champion, presents the single toughest fight of Anguloís career. Everybody is calling this a pick Ďem fight. So itíll be a very, very interesting fight to see if Alfredo can hunt down another foe and advance to the front of the line of the 154-pounders.
Article posted on 16.06.2010
The main event, Timothy Bradley, the single best 140-pound fighter in the world, recognized on everyoneís Top-10 pound for pound list, is moving up to 147 pounds to show off his wares. Against Carlos Abregu, who is Argentinian Arturo Gatti. Carlos fights like Garrt, and when he gets knocked down, he comes back roaring and has produced some spectacular knockouts himself..
So itíll be a very, very excellent card. I want to thank HBO and Agua Caliente for presenting the card to the fans.
Alex Camponovo: I want to thank HBO for giving us the great opportunity to be on their network. Also, to Agua Caliente Casino Resort and Spa which has become the official house of Timothy Bradley. This will be his third fight at that wonderful venue at the show. And also to Gary Shaw, who is a partner and more than anything a great dear friend. And weíre very excited and thrilled to see Timothy Bradley move up into the Welterweight Division.
As Gary just mentioned, this will be a fantastic event, not only with the opening bout between Alcine and Angulo, but the main event of Bradley and Abregu. Abregu is a guy that always comes to fight. Heís a real threat to Timothy Bradley, an undefeated fighter that is going to have the attitude of taking no prisoners. And Timothy is going to be testing himself in what should be a very, very intriguing fight.
Timothy Bradley: First of all, I want to thank God for this opportunity and thanks to my promoters, Gary Shaw and Thompson Boxing, my manager, Cameron Duncan, HBO, for putting me on for the first time, and Agua Caliente for hosting it. Itís going to be a great, great, exciting fight.
I canít wait to see what I can do at 147 pounds. Iíve been looking at Carlos Abregu. He looks like a strong fighter, a basic fighter. Letís get it on. Letís get it on, baby. Iím excited. Iím very happy.
Iím back in my hometown at Agua Caliente. Iíve got 2,000 of the best fans. Itís not about how many fans there are, itís about how the fans act. Theyíre going to see another great fight and a great victory.
Carlos Abregu: I appreciate greatly this opportunity to fight against Bradley. Iím very comfortable as a visitor to fight him. I have any problem fighting in Bradleyís territory. Iím going to win this fight.
Q: Since this is your first fight as a welterweight what exactly differently have you been doing in training to get prepared for this big fight?
Timothy Bradley: Iíve been doing a little bit more strength training. You know me, I donít do a whole lot of strength training when I go down at 140, but Iíve been doing a little bit more strength training a couple of days during the week to keep my strength up there.
I donít want the big guy to try to bully me around in there. I want to be just as strong as he is, if not stronger. But thatís pretty much it. Itís basically the same. I train hard for every single fight like itís my last fight. And Iím very excited about this fight. And Iím ready to show the world, man, what I can do at 147 pounds.
Q: Timothy, Iím looking at your boxing record and you did fight as a welterweight earlier in your career. Can you talk a little bit about that? I believe itís four years ago, you fought at 147 pounds in California. What was that experience like?
Timothy Bradley: I fought Francisco Rincon. I fought at 147 pounds. Heís like a 6 foot 1, 6 foot, very tall, very strong, big puncher. He wasnít that different. He was just bigger -- a little bit bigger. I like my opponents bigger. I like to definitely get inside of them.
Iím a lot quicker than they are. They leave their hands down a lot Ė a lot longer than I do, and maybe I will make them pay. Thatís pretty much it.
I know Abregu is a big puncher. But he canít hit whatís not there. So heís going to have a hard night in there with me. Iím quick. Iíve got a lot of footwork. Iím going to give him a lot of angles Iím going to give him and heís going to see a big difference from the opponent that he is used to fighting and me. Heíll see a big difference.
Q: You were hoping to fight at 140, but Iím wondering if youíre successful in this fight that youíre just going to leave 140 and stay at 147 and hopefully get, big, big money fights with somebody be it Mosley, Pacquiao, Mayweather, whoever.
Is that kind of the game plan you and Cameron Dunkin and Gary have come up with?
Timothy Bradley: I don't know. Iím not sure whatís going on. Iíll fight any weight. Cameron and Gary have been doing a great job. Theyíre picking my fights and whatever these guys want me to do, Iím willing to do it.
If I need to fight at 147 pounds, thatís what Iím going to do. If they want me to go back down to 140 and face anybody at 140, weíll do that too. So it really doesnít matter to me, man. It really doesnít matter.
Q: Cameron, what are your thoughts about the idea of Timothy staying at 147 if he does a good job on July 17th?
Cameron Dunkin: Well, in fact, when Gary and I first talked about this, Gary said that itíll open up a whole new division to him and there are a lot of big names there and a lot of money.
So, I think weíll just sort of play it out. Itís been hard to get anybody (in the ring) with Timmy. So I think Gary thought, and you can ask Gary, that it opens another door and then weíll see what happens from here.
Q: Gary, what are your thoughts?
Gary Shaw: Exactly what everybody else said. This gives us another opportunity. If he beats Carlos Abregu we move up to 147 if thereís a fight there with Pacquiao or Mayweather. And if not, there is Devon Alexander, who does nothing but talk about Timmy Bradley from morning until when he goes to sleep with his trainer.
Q: Timothy, you have been thinking for awhile about fighting Maidana and, of course, we all know what happened and he pulled out twice. How difficult is it for you specifically to be thinking about one particular fighter and then starts training for somebody else?
As far as psychologically, is there a transition that you have to make to psych yourself up for a different fighter?
Timothy Bradley: No, not at all. We had enough time to prepare for the switch. Theyíre both power punchers. They both come forward and like to fight. So there wasnít a big change.
We have more than enough time to really focus on our techniques and our plans. Not a big problem at all.
Q: Timothy, what would a victory over an undefeated 147-pounder like Abregu do for your career just as far as the way people think about you? How much would it (enhance) it?
Timothy Bradley: I hope itíll move me in a Ė I hope itíll move me in Pound for Pound, top 10 Pound for Pound. I just hope this launches another big fight. I want to fight the big names in the game and I feel that I Ė I should get my just due sooner or later.
But if that doesnít happen, Iím just going to continue on fighting, continue on winning, and that is whatís important right now. As long as I can continue on winning, the fight has to happen sooner or later. A big fight.
Q: Gary, what were your thoughts when you found out the real skinny on Maidana and why he has to pull out? I guess he admitted finally that he does have some pretty serious managerial problems. What were your thoughts about all of that?
Gary Shaw: I was very angry at both Maidana, his manager and Golden Boy. Because to tell us and HBO that heís injured, two times, and make Timmy sit on the sideline is just plain wrong. And then he lied and he should be punished for it.
For Carlos Abregu, it opened up a new door for him to get this fight so it wasnít all bad news.
Q: The one thing I want to ask you Timmy and your management team is, now youíre fighting at 147, is this going to be the case for you as youíre going after the opportunities whether itís 147 or 140, or would you prefer to stay in one weight class and focus on that for a while? Does that make sense?
Timothy Bradley: Yes. You know, thatís Ė thatís a question for my manager and promoter, man.
Q: But you, what would you prefer?
Timothy Bradley: It doesnít matter. It doesnít matter at all. As long as itís the right fight I want to fight the big names. It depends if I win this fight or when I win this fight and for a big name to come out. I would definitely take that fight. If not, then I can always go back down to 140 and stay down at 140.
Q: Gary and Cameron, is it OK for Timmy to bounce around in weight classes or ideally would it be better for him to focus on one weight class for awhile?
Gary Shaw: Iíve got to speak to Cameron, and Iím sure Cameron agrees with me, you go where the biggest fights are for Timmy Bradley. Heís the number one fighter at 140 pounds in the world.
And if thereís enough money at 147 and he shows he can handle the weight and heís comfortable and Mosley is there, Berto is there, or Pacquiao or Mayweather, then heíll fight them. If not, we know Devon Alexander is sitting there by his dog bone, panting.
Q: Timmy, coming in to this fight, are there any worries, on your part, about rust, because itís been a little while since you fought?
Timothy Bradley: No, not all. Just a lot more sparring and the ring rust shouldnít be there. Just put the work in the gym and you shouldnít have the ring rust. Iím not worried about it at all.
Iíve been off for a little while, though. (Iím not going to lie). Iíve been off for a little while, but as soon as we get into the ring my body just naturally reacts. Iím a fighter. Iíll be in there. Iíll be ready. Itíll be a good fight.
Q: Take us through the procedure, 33 days out from this fight, as to how you come in at 147? You gradually gain weight over the next month or do you already have that weight and you just chisel it and keep it in good condition until fight night? How does that actually work?
Timothy Bradley: Iím coming down right now on weight. I went up, I went up about 165 pounds and now Iím tearing it down to 147 pounds. Right now, Iím about 155Ö
Iíve been training for about four weeks now. Iím feeling great. Iím just going to maintain it. Iím going to maintain it at about 155 pounds and then Iím going to slowly start tapering it down, you know, closer to the fight.
I donít want to come in too light.
Q: Iíve seen some of your fights and speed is critical to you. Do you feel that you might lose a little speed because youíre holding around the extra poundage?
Timothy Bradley: Not at all. I think that Iím going to be a lot stronger and a lot quicker at this weight.
Gary Shaw: Timmy, I didnít know you were that high, maybe weíll go to 154 next. Iíll call Cameron, you know, after this call.
Timothy Bradley: Hey, we can go there too. Letís go up 154 and fight Cotto, right?
Gary Shaw: Oh, I will do that in a heartbeat.
Timothy Bradley: Letís go fight Paul Williams. Spiderman. We call him the Spiderman, with his freaking monkey arms, longer arms, man.
Q: Iím looking forward to seeing you fight in the 147 weight class. But, as you mentioned, you can go back to 140 pounds and your co-promoter Gary Shaw has been talking a lot about the comments that have been coming out of the camp of Devon Alexander and his trainer, the manager Kevin Cunningham.
Please give your take on the division as a whole. You are at the top and then thereís a bunch of other guys that have a lot of talent and probably can make quite a few good fights also. What are your thoughts about future fights potentially with guys like Alexander or Amir Khan or maybe if Maidana can get his stuff together that matchup, which I know had been planned at one point.
What do you think, itís a good division?
Timothy Bradley: I want to fight all of them. I want every last one of those guys. It just has to be right.
You know, these fights should mature a little bit longer Ė maybe a year from now, maybe at the beginning of next year. I get a couple of good wins. Devon gets a couple of wins. Maybe HBO can put us both on the same card, build the fight up so it can be worth some megabucks, man. You know, thatís pretty much it.
But all those guys, I want to fight all of them, all of them. I want to fight Devon. I want to fight Maidana because we definitely need to see whoís the best at 140. Even though theyíve got me number one at 140, Iíll be only the best at 140 here. So until that happens then we can say that I am absolutely the champion at 140.
Q: What do you think of those fights in the future? Can bounce around?
Timothy Bradley: No doubt. No doubt. Those fights Ė and they have to happen. They have to happen, you know, and they will happen.
Q: You mentioned Devon and Maidana. I didnít hear you mention Khan. Is that somebody in your mind as well even though they probably wouldnít want to make that fight with you?
Timothy Bradley: You know, weíve been trying to get at Khan for awhile now. I know Mr. Shaw told me that he tried to get in contact with Khanís people before he went over to Golden Boy. He was negotiating with them. And then the phone went dead. You know what I mean?
So weíve been trying to get a fight with Khan. Freddie Roach knows we want that fight. Maidana, and Alexander too. But itís like I said, itís just have to make sense dollarwise.
And I know people donít like to hear that, but itís the business. It is a business and I do want to fight these guys. Iím not afraid of these guys and I am willing to go to St. Louis or wherever Devon Alexander is and I will fight him in his hometown. That is an option too.
Q: Iíve heard the comments from both sides, your side as well as from Devon Alexanderís side in particular. The way I see this Ė and I Ė itís kind of fun actually, I donít see this as anybody, particularly, literally ducking somebody or another, but itís just good fun back and forth in two sides trying to build up a fight that would be big now, but certainly can be much, much bigger in a little bit.
Is that how you take it? You donít honestly think that Devon is ducking you, do you? Or do you just see it the way I do that itís good back and forth to try to stoke interest in what could be a very major fight?
Timothy Bradley: Thatís exactly it. Thatís exactly what weíre trying to do.
Gary Shaw: Timmy, let me bring you and everybody else on this call up to date.
I was up at HBO this week, unbeknownst to anybody. I offered to do 140-pound tournament with Timothy Bradley, Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, and if Marquez beats Diaz, he could be in the tournament as well.
I suggested that we have a press conference and we pull names out of a bottle. If we pulled Devon Alexander, then we fight Devon. If we pull Amir Khan, then we fight Amir Khan or Marquez or any other 140-pound that they want to put in there. Then Golden Boy said no.
And of course Amir Khan doesnít want to fight Timothy Bradley. Timothy Bradley will fight anybody, and, to Devon Alexanderís credit, heíll fight anybody. But itís the other two that wouldnít fight.
Q: Well hopefully that can happen at some point. This is going to be your first fight on HBO among boxing fans that are really hardcore. They sure know who you are because theyíve seen many of your boxing matches on Showtime. HBO, I guess, is in almost double the homes that Showtime is in.
What does it mean to you to go from whatís been a series of very good fights on Showtime, a good network, of course, onto what is a much bigger stage on HBO?
Timothy Bradley: Itís a dream come true. Fighting on HBO means a lot to me and my team. Finally we get an opportunity to fight on HBO which definitely should bring my name up. It definitely should help Ė HBO is definitely going to help me brand Timothy Bradley, and thatís exactly what Iíve been waiting on.
And Showtime did an excellent job with me, building me up. I take none away from Showtime. Showtimeís always going to be in my heart, but HBOís a bigger network. Whoís going to view my fights in more homes around the world and itís going to be a good look, man. Itís going to be a great, great opportunity and Iím looking to take advantage of it.
Iím here to win, man, and Iím here and Iím not worried about how I look or what people say about me. As long as I get the W at the end of the night, thatís all that matters to me.
Q: What youíre doing right now reminds me a little bit of what Ray Leonard did before he fought Tommy Hearns. He went up in weight class, but he got a title out of Ayub Kalule, and it did kind of stoke interest. Do you see this as that type of a risk -- moving up in weight? And is it worth all that you will get out of it?
Timothy Bradley: Itís a big risk. Itís a big Ė itís a big risk, moving up in weight. This is a type of fight that separates stars. If I can do this and go up in weight and be successful I can become a star.
Winning another World Title on 147 pounds, that would be awesome.
Iím just looking for the best fights out there. Iím just trying to Ė like my manager and my promoter said -- put ourselves in a position for some good fights out there, either at 140, 147 pounds.
Q: This is a double question for both Cameron and for Gary. Is part of this also the frustration of what you see down the line of not being able to make those potential 140-pound fights that youíve been trying to make?
Gary Shaw: As the promoter, no, Iím not frustrated. I know I have the number one fighter in the world at 140 pounds, and I know that Top Rank right now, like Golden Boy, is trying to do all their fights in-house. Well, eventually the public and the writers hopefully will force their fighters out of their in-house mentality to fight the best in the world. And whatís hurting our sport is that the greatest fighters in the world are not fighting the greatest fighters in the world.
So, right now, weíre doing what we think is the right thing, Cameron and I, and Alex, with Timmy, and opening up a new vista for him at 147 pounds. Like you said, he fought at 152 in the amateurs and if we have to take on some of those 154s, maybe we will. When someone has real talent like Timothy Bradley, and he has real talent, heíll fight anybody in the world. And credit to Carlos Abregu, heíll fight anybody in the world, and thatís why heís undefeated.
This fight is very, very interesting for Timmy. Can he move up in weight and fight one of the premier guys at 147 pounds. Heís not fighting a guy that has 10 loses on his records. Heís fighting a guy whoís absolutely 100 percent undefeated. And for Carlos Abregu, itís his opportunity to show the world that heís a legitimate 147 pound contender and that he belongs on HBO.
Q: Cameron, can you address that question also?
Cameron Dunkin: Sure. Timmy Bradley is a real, real talent, and whether itís 140 or 147 or whatever, heís in a position in his career where heís got to fight big fights and make his money and it always comes back to money. But Timmy also has a lot of pride and he wants to fight them all as he keeps telling you.
So, yes. Gary and I just thought we open another door and weíre not chasing anybody. Heís champion of the world, like Gary said. He doesnít have to chase anybody. Heís still going to fight, and HBO is going to love him and Showtimeís going to love him and his fans are going to love him, and true boxing fans are going to love him.
So, thatís going to happen anyway, but it just opens another door where everybody can say, hey, this guy can fight anybody and he should be fighting the best fighters in the world.
Q: Tim, do you lose anything in making 140? Is it hard to make 140 and easier to make 147 for you?
Timothy Bradley: Itís not really hard to make 140. Itís not that hard. I just have to be on a diet a lot longer. But itís a lot easier to make 147 because I donít have to squeeze down and take a little bit of my water out of my system.
I can just leave it there, and I can have a heck of a performance, because I have all of my vitality and all my vitamins and minerals and everything, and I havenít depleted any of them, so Iím curious to see how Iím going to feel, man, at 147 pounds. I should just be just as strong at 147 than I am at 140.
Gary Shaw: Before (inaudible), before you ask that question, Iím going to say something, but Iím just going to (caution you) that Iíve not spoken to Timmy about it nor have I spoken to Cameron about it. But I believe if Cotto would fight him, I would do that fight. But, again, I want to (caution you) that Iíve not spoken with Timmy or Cameron, or Alex, to that matter. But thatís my own personal opinion. I think he knocks Cotto out.
Q: Carlos, do you feel that you are in any way being overlooked, not only during this conference call but in general by Tim?
Carnlos Abregu: No. Bradley is making a mistake not taking me seriously. Iím going to win this fight and Iím a definite, serious opponent for Bradley.
Q: Hey, Tim, your camp is pretty close to Abreguís former camp. Did you guys ever spar together?
Timothy Bradley: No, we never sparred together.
Q: Youíve probably seen a lot of tape Ė a lot of his fights because he is on Showtime too. How would you describe the style?
Timothy Bradley: Heís a basic fighter, big right in, big right uppercut. I know what he likes to do. He likes to set up as much as off his jab, and that lower left hook he likes to throw, especially for the big right hand.
Every now and then he likes to throw a straight right hand to the body.. He doesnít move a lot. His defense is not all that great. Heís a good fighter, Heís dangerous because he can punch. Heís very dangerous because of his punch and heís very unorthodox. Heís very tall, got long arms, and thatís what makes him dangerous.
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