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Mayorga did look tough against Six Heads Lewis and Vernon Forrest… Lewis was an undefeated world champion, but I could see he had as many problems as Wilfred Benitez — such has being wide open for hay makers.

Posted January 8, 2013 4:24 am 


Marquez is not going to get 30 million dollars its FAR too big an increase over his previous best… 15-20 including PPV upside is the realistic target… That said the odds he will top what he did in December are about 10% the GREATER reality is that he might book another loss at the hands of a motivated yet more respectful Manny Pacquiao… Marquez is going to be 40 and there is no telling when he loses that ONE more step and Pac Man catches up with him… JMM is one of my favorite fighters but I have a vision of Jordan dropping that shot against Utah then playing for the Wizards, or RJJ beating Ruiz then struggling with Tarver and then the subsequent KO loss…. Marquez BEST fight is now behind him and there is nowhere to go but DOWN if history holds true to form..

Posted January 7, 2013 10:38 am 


Marquez should retire for his own legacy because he’ll never Top what he just DID. Even IF he knocks Pacquiao again it wont get the same respect as the First knockout…but IF he cares more about his Family than himself he should take the 5th Fight and bank 25-30 million. That should last at least another 5-6 generations in Mexico IF you’re SMART..

Posted January 6, 2013 5:14 pm 


There is not the slightest evidence that Pac or JMM ever used PEDs… Speculation about it is simply that… What good do PEDs do you? They destroy your body. The world records set in the PED era have all been broken by clean athletes so the truth is you don’t need them.

Look at Vargas, Berto, and Morales. who were all nailed by standard urine tests. How well have they been performing??? Peterson is all messed up. He was probably assured he would never test positive but was shocked to get caught. After first saying the results of the tests were wrong and demanding more tests—he claimed he had naturally low testosterone and forgot to mention he was taking a prescription testosterone.

Posted January 5, 2013 4:53 am 


PEDman should do the honorable thing and FOLLOW Lance Armstrong example;there’s no point to hide it any longer!!

Posted January 5, 2013 3:36 am 


Te Tumbo, you used the word “FACTS” but you are the same FOOL who said that ODH was forced to accept a 145 rehydration clause LIE, and that Marquez did OST with Mayweather or anyone LIE… Additionally Pacquiao sued Mayweather because he and his camp accused Pac Man of using PED’s and smeared his name…You cannot file a suit because someone asked you to test for PED’s silly man… But alas you know this, its simply a matter of you continuing your hackneyed routine about Pacquiao and and testing… Tired story Tumbo, you need fresh material, Marquez won in spectacular fashion YET you are the same BITTER, SMALL minded poster as it pertains to this fighter..

Posted January 4, 2013 7:01 pm 


Te Tumbo, me believing Mayweather would have “easily defeated” that version of Pacquiao does NOT account for what Floyd believed… He is the one who discussed “getting hurt” “how hard Manny was punching” his camp making PED accusations… My personal opinion cannot take precedent over Mayweathers own wariness about slugging it out with a then streaking Pac Man…But I appreciate the stock you place in my assertions…:)

Posted January 4, 2013 6:53 pm 


If Mayweather “controlled the moral high ground” then why were he and Golden Boy dragged into court? and why the nerves particular to Pacquiao as opposed to Marquez who was a LESSOR threat? AGAIN if you think that history is going to lay this scenario solely at the feet of Pacquiao you are kidding yourself….Pac Man fought everyone around once he decided to move to WW which of course you will say was his fault as it pertains to timing…Truth is Mayweather could have fought and Pac could have tested the whole thing was a debacle that dragged out for YEARS

Posted January 4, 2013 6:50 pm 


ODH beating Mayorga was a foregone conclusion he was punching bag who EVERYONE KOed when they stepped in the ring with him… Mosley, Trinidad and ODH all used him for the same reason… A chain smoking, wide open cloddish fighter who despite upsetting Vernon Forrest had no hope against elite boxers, even those on the slide..

Posted January 4, 2013 5:59 pm 


Bradley and Ortiz are NOT and have NEVER been on the same level… Bradley has been seen in a P4P light…He was the clear #1 at 140 pounds whereas Ortiz was something like number 4 or 5 after quitting against Maidana and getting a draw with Peterson after leading.. His star shone for a second after he beat Berto then went mental getting KOed by FMJ…. Secondly Bradley gets about as much respect for beating Pacquiao as you do NONE… There is no need to elaborate on that comment…Pacquiao SMASHED Cotto before FMJ, and he made FAR lighter work of Hatton and ODH while moving UP in weight…Oscar was a big man pickuing on a little man and he got beaten like a DOG… No excuses can be accepted and there was no rehydration clause, ODH was the biggest draw in boxing and odds on favorite to take Pacquiao out…. Shame on him Te Tumbo KING of Excuses and a SAD so called fight fan.

Posted January 4, 2013 5:55 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, the only “Ortiz of the world” that Pacquiao* ever faced was Bradley and he LOST. Mayweather humiliated and defeated the actual Ortiz; faced DLH fresh off of his impressive KO of Mayorga withOUT a catchweight; DOMinated Marquez; defeated and KO’d Hatton FIRST; DOMinated Shane FIRST; defeated Cotto withOUT a catchweight; agreed to an unprecedented $1 million overweight clause only to be rebuffed by Team Punkuiao* for requesting Harmless, Random, and MUTUALLY-Applied blood and urine testing. Mayweather has firmly controlled the moral high-ground throughout this shameful saga. Pacquiao’s* shameless fanboys might as well sling snowballs at the sun. Pacquiao* is a carefully-managed, desperately protected, promotional hype-job that has been thoroughly exposed by the glare of Mayweather’s and Marquez’s authentic greatness.

Posted January 4, 2013 5:12 pm 


Mayweather-Pacquiao could possibly still happen — in 2014 — if Pac is lucky enough to beat Marquez in a 5th matchup in September.

Stranger things have happened.

Posted January 4, 2013 4:41 pm 

te tumbo

“unusual testing…” don’t you mean improved and more accurate anti-doping measures that would further prevent drug-cheating in the sport? moreover, EVERYthing new and improved is unusual until it is adopted as the standard but you know what has been truly unusual and will ever be accepted as a standard? catchweights, rehydration clauses, “diamond belts”, lawsuits to prevent requests for improved testing, and minimal testing like that employed by the TSAC and preferred by Arum. those are the hallmarks of Pacquiao’s* “greatness” and the primary reasons that fight-fans never saw the P4P showdown that we (NOT Team Punkuiao*) eagerly wanted to see. Btw Poindexter, if you also believe that Mayweather would’ve easily defeated Pacquiao* WTF could possibly be your rationale for “Money” avoiding a fight v. Pacquiao* and unprecedented multi-millions? i think it’s time for you to withdraw, regroup, and return when you’ve once again been able to reconcile your opinions with FACTs.

Posted January 4, 2013 4:31 pm 


Juan Manuel Marquez was willing to face Pac Man 4x for under 7 mill when Floyd who I agree would box Manny silly would not face him for 50 mill without unusual testing… Marquez just stepped up and took the fight, no accusations necessary….Again this fight not coming off is a 2 headed hydra where both men played politics and the fans lost out…

Posted January 4, 2013 12:56 pm 


Floyd Mayweather did NOT take a fight against a guy that Marquez was did not think twice about fighting 4 times ABSENT any unusual testing… As per usual you run from reality like a pervert being caught in the park… Pacquiao LONG ago agreed to enhanced testing and the bout STILL never was made… Placing this solely in the lap of Manny Pacquiao is a JOKE Floyd had fought almost 40 fighters absent Olympic testing till the name Manny Pacquiao became relevant and his team began lobbing accusations that landed them on a judges docket…We have NO reason to believe Floyd or Manny are dirty fighters so the nickname “the natural is just more innuendo” boxing is NOT about “testing” its about fighting and pretending that FMJ was chomping at the bit to fight Manny all these years is a joke… Both guys were banking fighting the Ortiz’s of the world

Posted January 4, 2013 12:54 pm 

te tumbo

“Your innuendo is thinly veiled and might escape the more daft on this board but I am NOT one of them…” allow me to clarify, Sherlock: Pacquiao* won’t agree to Floyd’s anti-doping challenge because he fears being not only Destroyed but severely OutClassed, OutPunched, and Humiliated by #1 P4P Floyd. the only “innuendo” in that statement is that Pacquiao* is the ONLY fighter to ever refuse improved and harmless testing to face his primary P4P rival and collect at $25-$50 million payday. the only “innuendo” in That statement is that Pacquiao* fears Floyd “The Natural” Mayweather. this clear and unequivocal statement will continue to elude the dimwitted fanboys but true fight-fans are not among them . . . NEXT?

Posted January 4, 2013 12:28 pm 


Te Tumbo, we can cite Floyds unwillingness to fight Pac Man under the rules he has fought the overwhelming majority of his career…The same rules he fought Marquez, ODH, Hatton and Corrales under… This big fight not coming off is attributable to multiple sources and rehashing the whole “he said, she said” of the testing debate would be an EPIC bore…Your innuendo is thinly veiled and might escape the more daft on this board but I am NOT one of them…Marquez and Pac fought 4 goddamn times yet you seem to only give JMM credit for taking the bouts in an age where MANY boxers avoid stiff challenges… Reality is that Pac Man had MORE to lose facing Marquez due to his status and earning power and ultimately he did… Good on BOTH men for acting like a couple of throwbacks and waging war after war…..

Posted January 4, 2013 10:45 am 


…PEDman KTFO,game over…case closed!!

Posted January 4, 2013 4:50 am 


as great a boxer as he is, jmm has never gotten the money he deserves. he’ll be offered a very large sum of money that he can’t refuse. he can’t hold out for so long either, he’s not getting any younger. if pac loses to another fighter, that oppurtunity to make a lot of dough will be gone forever. if he tries to challenge fmj, pretty boy will just laugh at him. there will be a 5th fight!!! something that will line his pocket for a very long time. nothing more!!! the way he was taking punishment before landing that perfect counter, i don’t think he can win their next encounter. jmm fans know this, that is why they’re hoping for him to turn down an offer to fight pac again. sad but true!

Posted January 4, 2013 3:24 am 


as great a boxer as he is, he has never gotten the money he deserves. he’ll be offered a very big sum of money that he can’t refuse. he can’t hold out for so long either. he’s not getting any younger. if pac loses to another boxer, that oppurtunity to make a large dough will be gone forever. fmj will just laugh at him if he tries to challenge him. there will be a 5th fight. something that will be bad for his body but will be good for his bank account. if he retires, it will only mean that he is not confident of duplicating his win, considering the punishment that he was getting before landing that perfect counter. peace.

Posted January 4, 2013 3:11 am 

te tumbo

it is not possible to have a 5th fight. only the first fight of the rest of Pacquiao’s* career. this rivalry is OVER . . Peace to Latinsigi.

Posted January 4, 2013 2:21 am 


He’s going to get an offer to fight Pacquiao again—and it should be more attractive than ever… I think he should hold out for a minimum of 25 million and lock himself into another training camp for 3 months…

If he scores another KO over Pacquiao, when Pac wakes up he should say, “Is that enough for you yet? We can do it again if you like.”

Posted January 4, 2013 1:05 am 


Have not posted anything in a long time, I just come here and read.. I like to read what Te Tumbo put’s .. quite an articulate guy who represents.. but overall I am a boxing fan, don’t matter from where but I like my Mexicali roots.. anyways.. what a spectacular finish by Marque.. all I can say is WOW.. talk about the cherry on the top.. I hope he goes out on top he is definite a champ..

Posted January 3, 2013 11:48 pm 


forreal, worse, you’re making a fool of yourself!!! ha! ha! ha!

Posted January 3, 2013 10:16 pm 


forreal, do you understand the language you speak? what IF, again IF, again IF jmm don’t want a 5th fight anymore? how would you look at his decision? dude, i’ve been asking you this same question the past 2 days and you don’t want to answer it! you’re making me laugh hard! ho! ho! ho!

Posted January 3, 2013 9:58 pm 


sredmond, i agree with you. pac will likely win a 5th fight. that is if it ever happens. i doubt that jmm will refuse it. what IF it never happens because jmm retires or refuses to fight? how will you look at his decision. SMART because pac will never get the chance to return the favor or SCARED that he might not be able to duplicate his win?

Posted January 3, 2013 9:51 pm 


Marquez want some more of that big Pacquiao money.

Posted January 3, 2013 6:52 pm 


Te Tumbo NOW you are submitting falsehoods which is sad and a further smear on your character… Provide us the link where Marquez submitted to Olympic testing? The ONLY guy ringing that bell was Floyd and he NEVER tested Marquez after his 21 month layoff beyond the standard obviously JMM did not evoke the concern that Manny did….

Posted January 3, 2013 6:40 pm 


How has Pacquiao maintained welter punching power? His KO percentage went down DRAMATICALLY at the higher weight and he NEVER registered a KO against a 147 pound fighter..Both Cotto and ODH were stopped on their feet beyond that he did NOT stop Clottey, Margo, Mosely, JMM 2X, nor Bradley…AGAIN if you want to discuss performance being a marker of PED usage then you start to open the door for other fighters to be questioned… Your standards have 0 continuity when Pac Man is involved… Face it he beat down a SLEW of name fighters and in the proud tradition of the modern era of boxing there is ALWAYS an excuse….

Posted January 3, 2013 6:37 pm 


Te Tumbo, its HARDLY a clue or we would ding EVERY fighter who moves up in weight and is successful that includes Hearns, Duran, Oscar, Leonard, Mayweather, Jones, Arguello, Marquez, Donaire, Guerrero and the list goes on…Your vendetta and shifting standards AGAINST Pacquiao are about as transparent as a drugged up hooker on the corner with a lollipop in her mouth…

Posted January 3, 2013 6:22 pm 

te tumbo

“Since when is the SMALLER fighter at this massive advantage that is a complete role reversal in the annals of boxing history. . .” PreCisely. this is called a CLUE. THINK!

Posted January 3, 2013 4:40 pm 

te tumbo

“if ‘minimal testing’ discredits wins then we should throw out . . .” REDMOND, it’s all about CON-TEXT(!!!). first of all, Team Pacquiao* did everything in their power to guarantee standard (NSAC) or minimal testing (TSAC). even in response to improved testing by both of his primary P4P rivals (Marquez and Mayweather). also, a dramatic move up in weight from flyweight to welter, while maintaining featherweight handspeed, gaining welter punching power, imposing exotic and compromising conditions, and rejecting improved testing IS the context in which Pacquiao’s* “greatness” unfolded. how many more red-flags need to slap you across the face for you to exercise even minimal critical-thinking and express objective (if not outraged) skepticism? Pacquiao’s* “greatness” has all the hallmarks of a carefully-managed promotional hype-job NOT ATG ring-warrior, i.e., Pacquiao* is no Juan Manuel Marquez or Floyd “#1 P4P” Mayweather.

Posted January 3, 2013 4:37 pm 


…and is funny,PEDman almost got his HEAD TAKEN CLEAN OFF,and the PACTARDS think Marquez is scared,that’s the level of delusion we are dealing with folks!!

Posted January 3, 2013 4:31 pm 


…i think is the PACtards who are SCARED of a REPEAT!!

Posted January 3, 2013 4:28 pm 


I put a 5th fight likely in the Pac Man corner, calling Marquez “scared” is a joke but the reality is that he will be a 40 year old fighter who just produced the effort of a lifetime there is likely nowhere to go but down from here… Manny will be 35 and still can rebound, he is a proud fighter and he knows how to win… It would be a risk for both men but my gut tells me time will catchup with Marquez…

Posted January 3, 2013 3:04 pm 


sredmond, pac vs jmm 5, who do you think will win? if jmm refuses a 5th fight ( i doubt ), smart or scared?

Posted January 3, 2013 2:25 pm 


Te Tumbo, if “minimal testing” discredits wins then we should throw out Barrera, Marquez, Margarito and ODH and 99.9% of the sports accomplishements because until FMJ made that policy for fighting him and we had a few of these VADA tests that has been the law of the land…Yeah jumping 2 divisions and stomping ODH in defiance of the bookies was cool, smashing Cotto was major, shutting down a tough fighter like Clottey was no joke and breaking Margos face and basically ending his career while spotting him 17 pounds and 5 inches on fight night impressed me… Add to that this was all done by a former flyweight and we have guys like you hopefully getting a BULK rate on excuses!

Posted January 3, 2013 10:27 am 

te tumbo

“. . . stopping Cotto, ODH, Margo to a pulp and shutting out Josh Clottey . . .” if I didn’t know better, this could be a brilliant display of tongue-in-cheek humor. otherwise, it has got to be the most dishonest or oblivious post on this thread. how can anybody seriously(?) cite those Pacquiao* accomplishments” with a straight face considering all of the bizarre conditions accompanying each one, e.g., catchweights, rehydration clauses, minimal testing, performance bonus for Clottey(?!?), and virtually every other condition confirmed to tilt the playing-field in Pacquiao’s* favor? bottomline, Pacquiao* was a very good fighter but ONLY “great” when the matchmaking was great, i.e., he is no Marquez. Juan Manuel Marquez is Greater.

Posted January 2, 2013 7:28 pm 

Victor Moreno

Mistake on this article. Pacquiao didnt recently loose by two KOs: “You would have to figure that Pacquiao would have a lot of pressure on him to retire after getting knocked out a second time.”

Posted January 2, 2013 7:15 pm 


Comparing Marquez to Leon Spinks is a JOKE….. Marquez was the OLD man and Pac Man was the younger fighter… On top of that Spinks NEVER did a damn thing in boxing besides beat Ali, Marquez was a 3 weight Champ who had proved his mettle time and again..

Posted January 2, 2013 5:39 pm 


I have no issue with Manny getting the nod in those close fights but the ONLY real hardcore win of that series occurred a few weeks ago and Marquez owns it… PERIOD

Posted January 2, 2013 5:37 pm 


Hecdog, Marquez is pushing 40 years old and as painful as that might be if he opts to retire after 3 razor thin fights and a crushing win thats his perogative… Manny got blasted by an OLD fighter chronologically and don’t bore me discussing Bernard Hopkins.. Pacquiao and Marquez are NOT friends and to date Manny has enjoyed the glory and certainly the money, absent HUGE financial incentive who could blame Marquez for walking away a WINNER…. There will ALWAYS be another fight which is how boxers end up screwed…. Marquez does not owe Manny S$%@#$%T

Posted January 2, 2013 5:36 pm 


well for all you folks saying Marquez was on the juice then you can’t rule out Pac being on the juice. So then it must have been an even fight. What is even more funnier is that Marquez said he would take any test and yet Pac still don’t want to take test. So go figure. Congrats Marquez and go ahead and ride off. You pretty much beat everybody you faced for the exception of a couple

Posted January 2, 2013 5:30 pm 


sredmond…you said everything i was going to say about JMM….how he was winning his first fight and was disqualified…how he was ducked by top fighters and basically robbed in all his losses except against Floyd……who was just to big and long for him…he has nevertheless carried on despite it all and prevailed in the end…if he had been judged correctly in previous fights, Pacman-Jmm 4 would not have been necessary…JMM is a warrior and deserves all he has accomplished, without catchweights and crooked promoters and judges, he has risen above all that thru hard work, dedication and pride. and that’s what alot of sore losers don’t like, that he did it the right way….waiting on top contenders to finally fight him….my respect to JMM

Posted January 2, 2013 5:13 pm 


…Marquez will make “CARNE AZADA” out of him if they fight again…bet on it!!

Posted January 2, 2013 4:01 pm 


I don’t think JMM “owes” Manny anything, but I do think there’s a lot of respect for each other in this rivalry and much like Manny gave him a chance to redeem himself in the 4th one, Marquez will feel obliged to give Manny a chance… if Manny actually wants it.
But both these guys could retire today without ever having to look back.

Posted January 2, 2013 3:56 pm 


Marquez was one of the MOST avoided lower weight fighters out there while Morales and Barrera were getting attention he fought on and became the one amongst them to make a stand that ultimately toppled Pac Man.. Marquez fought for FAR less money but he stayed so hungry that even at 39 he crushed Pacquiao…. JMM is NOT a WW fighter nor did he ever make the argument he was, but he stayed on top of Pacquiao and unlike ODH, Clottey, Cotto and Margo he prevailed in devastating fashion, Manny could have put this to bed LONG AGO but he could not subdue Marquez the way he had others and finally JMM turned his lights out despite your excuses… Marquez is NOT going to be remembered as a “good fighter” he is a 3 division Champion who stopped the Fighter of the Decades run, a 4 time lineal and 7 weight Champ… JMM is a beast , EVERY credible rating agency has him listed as such, at this point he is ranked above Pac by “Ring”

Posted January 2, 2013 3:10 pm 


Hecdog, Marquez has been beaten ONCE conclusively in his entire career that was Floyd Mayweather Jr… He has been a P4P fighter for YEARS and those of us who REALLY know boxing get that. Marquez is smart and he stays busy against guys like Ramos and the like to short money so his skills do not deteriorate he is 39 years old… You are right Mayweather boxed his ears off but he DESTROYED Manny Pacquiao who has been subject to MORE PED rumors than any fighter in the sport (unfairly in my opinion) JMM passed the SAME tests that Pac Man has his WHOLE career and pushing 40 he slit Mannys throat, Marquez showed how grateful he was to Manny by damn near killing him in the ring the last time they fought and that will be the MOST enduring memory of their rivalry unless Pac Man corrects that in equally devastating fashion..I did NOT see Heredia in the ring delivering that punch so you will have to send me the link..

Posted January 2, 2013 3:04 pm 


Pacquiao proved MORE than a willing combatant for JMM and arguments to the contrary are idiotic and in stark defiance of historical reality… Marquez is the guy that balked at a $750k offer and choose instead to fight Chris John … Neither man can be dinged when the fought it out 4x over the course of 8 years which averages a fight EVERY 2 years… Beating up Juan Diaz, Casamayor and Katsidis were neat tricks but they pale in comparison to stopping Cotto, ODH, Margo to a pulp and shutting out Josh Clottey at WW.. Marquez is a BEAST, but Pac Man deserves plenty of credit for taking him on that many times when he could have opted for much easier opponents and still gotten paid…He fought a WASHED UP Shane Mosley and did over 1 million buys, everyone knew JMM was a serious risk EXCEPT those who bought into the idea that Manny at WW would blow him out…. I was not among that crowd!

Posted January 2, 2013 2:57 pm 


@te tumbo You are correct sir. Considering JMM has won more rounds than Pac (which means JMM is the superior technical fighter) and did what Manny could never do, which is put his opponent into deep sleep, how can anyone argue Manny is better than JMM?

Posted January 2, 2013 2:46 pm 

te tumbo

Marquez and Marquez alone is responsible for the Nine (9) Year rivalry that Team Pacquiao* always wished and prayed would just go away. instead, Marquez literally stalked Pacquiao* all the way from bantamweight to catchwelter; unifying lightweight along the way by defeating the same fighters that Punkuiao* leap-frogged; challenging and facing Mayweather FIRST; and finally KOing Manny* in such decisive fashion that it exceeded anybody’s imagination or nightmare. Pacquiao’s* fanboys are simply hoping that father time FInally does catch-up to Marquez, which was the primary reason Team Pacquiao* agreed to face Marquez a 2nd, 3rd, and Final time. what would prove that it wasn’t a fluke is Marquez also KOing the man who “officially” defeated Manny*, which is no less “official” than Manny’s* two “official wins” v. Marquez. otherwise, Marquez’ performance only improved in each bout v. Pacquiao* and he can’t possibly improve on the final result. in fact, taken together, the unofficial result of III and the devastating result of IV already confirms Marquez’s irrefutable boxing and punching dominance over Pacquiao*. Mission Accomplished. the rivalry is OVER. Viva Marquez!

Posted January 2, 2013 2:37 pm 


You think Marquez is going to turn down 5 million to fight Pacquiao again?. He would fight Klitchko for that amount of money.

Posted January 2, 2013 1:40 pm 


Hecdog, Marquez does NOT owe Pacquiao a DAMN thing, if ever there was a guy who worked hard to get his shots and keep himself relevant at the upper echelon of the sport it was Marquez…I give Manny credit for taking on such a TOUGH out 4 times but JMM earned his stripes in the ring… Everytime the odds makers slated him for KO loss JMM battled Manny to a stalemate and proved to be the one guy that had people questioning Mannys overall dominance…At age 39 he got the signature win of the quadrilogy, NONE of their prior bouts provided us a CLEAR and undisputed winner…Marquez has NOT been some loudmouthed contender looking for a shot he is one of boxings elite demanding his due… Your statements are akin to saying Frazier or Foreman owe Ali something… Both men were monsters who positioned themselves for battle in the ring…

Posted January 2, 2013 1:11 pm 



Posted January 2, 2013 1:09 pm 


The outcome of another Pacquiao/Marquez battle is FAR from a foregone conclusion while I LAUD and APPLAUD JMM getting that devastating win, he is still a boxer who is about to be 40 years old and despite prognostications about Pac Mans punch resistance and mentality he has time on his side and he will NOT be the first guy to rebound from a KO Loss… I find it telling that unlike other boxers who start discussing retirement, new trainers and all manner of other drama Pac Man immediately declared “He’s not going out like that” He will KNOW that he has to respect Marquez ability to hurt him, but he also knows he has a history of hurting Marquez….The rivalry between these two is a GREAT piece of boxing history that deserves applause meanwhile the bitterness of some posters is confounding…

Posted January 2, 2013 10:28 am 


You guys are dreaming is you think Marquez will take down a bigger payday than Pacquiao, boxing is still a business and Pacquiao is still by FAR the bigger draw.. I know the illogical elements on the board will ignore business reality and use words like “deserve” and “fair” but thats not how it works… Absent Pac Man or FMJ in that ring with him Marquez is back to fighting on HBO after dark for 1 million dollar paydays… He will likely get between 12-15 mill for a rematch with Pac which is massive with Manny getting something on the order of 20 mill or more…

Posted January 2, 2013 10:13 am 


Marquez can’t decide to fight against pacman be because he scared to lost even arum Offer marquez 15 million but never mind the offer ready to hang his glove cause very scare to pacman. Try to conviñce màrquez fans.

Posted January 2, 2013 7:19 am 


…”The punch”!!

Posted January 2, 2013 4:32 am 


its still 3-1 for pacman he won the first 3 fights.

Posted January 2, 2013 4:25 am 

The Kingslayer

Please retire Marquez.

Posted January 2, 2013 3:46 am 


Uhh…pretty sure Pac still gets the bigger payday. Without Floyd or Pac, Marquez doesn’t have an audience. Marquez vs Diaz brought 150k PPV. Now he’s more famous today, but still….

Posted January 2, 2013 3:19 am 


The longest sleep in boxing history. Manny and all his fans are in depression and haunting memory asleep face down.

Posted January 2, 2013 3:11 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Leaving on top with a huge bank acct and his health, with nothing more to prove? Helll yeah it’s time. He needs to move faster than Tark does when the crew ship comes to town…

Posted January 2, 2013 2:53 am 

te tumbo

“Even tho PAC got ko’ed, for the first time it seemed as if PAC finally solved the Marquez riddle”(?!?). Pacquiao* got KTFO?! how can that be described as “solving” the riddle? it’s more like paying the ultimate price for attempting to directly crowd, outpunch, and outfight the catchwelter version of Juan Manuel Marquez. call it reckless, predictable, or “lucky”, face it: the result will always be a KO win for Marquez. from anywhere between the Juan Diaz and devastating Pacquiao* variety. Marquez has solved and wrecked the Pacquiao* menace.

Posted January 2, 2013 2:21 am 


JMM gets 25million Pac 15mill you got a deal. Anything with PAC
having more no fight if JMM is smart.

Posted January 2, 2013 1:54 am 


…Semper Fi!!

Posted January 2, 2013 12:47 am 


…in fact,i was re-visiting the replay of the fight and man,honestly,PEDman looked like he just got shot by a Marine Sniper & a .50 cal. Barrett Rifle…FOR REAL!!

Posted January 2, 2013 12:42 am 


…PEDman is the one who’s having nightmares about that embarrassing night…you can even check you tube and find videos of him and his old lady CRYING about the whole ordeal…and fans like you and other PACtards want more of the same;are you guys enjoy PAIN & SUFFERRING that much??

Posted January 2, 2013 12:32 am 


Marquez would be dumb to quit right now… That was the greatest victory of his entire career and it was spectacular.. Three knockdowns and a crushing KO.. An obliteration.. Now he can demand parity on the money and can be confident in the knowledge that he won’t have to land as perfect or as hard a punch next time to knock Pac TFO … He took some of the steel out of Pac’s chin but his own is intact … Next time there will be OSDTs but it doesn’t matter. He not on anything but great nutrition and scientific strength training. The reason it’s so effective is because he never did a real strength program before. He’s a very ambitious guy so I doubt seriously if he will retire — not ever to stick it to Pacquiao.

Posted January 2, 2013 12:13 am 


…the “PED punch” against the “PEDman”…makes sense!!

Posted January 1, 2013 11:54 pm 


…and you know what hotdog?,PEDman will always be remember from now own by “THE PUNCH”!!

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Posted January 1, 2013 11:33 pm 


…not a chance;PEDman went down in the third and he was still hurting until that BOMB exploded in the sixth,he won’t risk going for a K.O against Marquez knowing that HE HIMSELF might get K.O’D again!!

Posted January 1, 2013 11:24 pm 


Even tho PAC got ko’ed, for the first time it seemed as if PAC finally solved the Marquez riddle. Yes pac lost bad but that’s only because he got over anxious. I would be surprised if Marquez fought pac again. Ive always respected Marquez but if they fought again pac would win by KO or tko.

Posted January 1, 2013 11:15 pm 


…Marquez doesn’t owe PEDman or his fans JACK!!.he got a terrible decision on the third fight and he came back to make a statement in the 4th…and he did it in style; the pactards are just bitter’the fool should have taken those random samples and fight Floyd!!

Posted January 1, 2013 11:06 pm 


Given that he held out for a Pac man fight when he could have taken on some good fights in between I would say retirement is around the corner and why not..If he does continue I say go for Floyd

Posted January 1, 2013 10:44 pm 


Marquez go ahead and walk away on top. You’ve done a lot in your career, you are rated amongst the top Mexican fighters, heck any fighter at the lower weight divisions and have moved up plenty. You are a first ballot HOF. You have nothing left to prove

Posted January 1, 2013 10:00 pm 



Posted January 1, 2013 9:54 pm 

Still Butt Hurt

Blood testing my ass. I’ll bet any money there won’t be any extra testing! Why would the Pac camp risk that because Pac is the Lance Armstrong of boxing.

Posted January 1, 2013 9:51 pm 


…well said,BRAVO!!;but you see,arguing with PACTARDS is an exercise in futility,they won’t be happy ’till they themselves have to carryy PEDman’s carcass out of the ring!!

Posted January 1, 2013 9:36 pm 


@ BIG MIKE A fighter like Marquez, who knocked an opponent out in 6 rounds, knows he’s going to lose? Some very idiotic comments on here. The only reason Pacquiao’s fans won’t admit their man is a spent force, is because they want him to continue fighting. Even in the shape he is in. Sure he can make millions more, but what more does pacman have to prove? Nothing. Only for casual boxing fans to come out and criticise Marquez, when technically, and legally, he has done nothing wrong. He’s no more guilty of PED’s than Pacquiao was. If you’re talking about bulking up, then what about Pacman, who in 1995, started his career as a flyweight, at 105lbs. That is a 45lb weight difference (up to the point of his light middleweight title fight vs margarito in 2010), unseen by any other boxer, unless you’re RJJ, or James Toney, and a few others. But no blame arises, and both boxers are not guilty.
I enjoyed the fight, but 4 is enough. 2 straight losses for Manny, and this doesn’t amount to a dip in form, more like a major slide in the wrong direction.

Posted January 1, 2013 9:19 pm 


He’ll fight again. The money is huge. Nobody can refuse that kind of money. Marquez got an expensive lifestyle. They’ll fight again for sure.

Posted January 1, 2013 9:02 pm 


Interesting, that the great Juan Manuel Marquez with his new body and new, incredible KO power, doesn’t call out Floyd Mayweather Jr. again. Why is that I wonder? Here’s a guy that just delivered a devastating KO to one of the best welterweights in the world and he’s going to quit? Forreal said, “he has nothing to prove to anyone anymore” Really? FJM embarassed him like he was an amateur and Juan doesn’t want to attempt to revenge that or at least to regain his honor? Marquez is content to accept defeat in such a decisive embarassing manner? The same Juan Manuel Marquez that fought Manny Pacquiao four times, got a new physical conditioning trainer (Hereida) and a new body, specifically for the purpose of getting true revenge on Pacquiao and he doesn’t want to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. again? He’s willing to admit there’s just no way he could do any better against FMJ? JMM could probably make at least $10 million in another fight with Floyd. All he has to do is call Floyd out. My money says Floyd would take the fight. Or maybe Juan does have something to hide.

Posted January 1, 2013 8:52 pm 


& it’s too bad because, i promise you, if he continues to fight he’ll get beaten-even KO- by a young lion like Danny Garcia or Bradley or seriously hurt & stopped by Pac…it won’t be a happy ending, as usual.

Posted January 1, 2013 8:52 pm 


Viva Marquez!!!

Posted January 1, 2013 8:42 pm 


Very seldom a boxer does the right thing, if you don’t think so, ask Roy Jones; he was on top of the world when he schooled the Puerto-Rican for the HW title. If he had retired after that fight, we’d been arguing about him being probably the Greatest Fighter of All Time…At least, he’d be giving Sugar Ray Robinson a run for the first place but all that is now wishful thinking; Marquez has an unique opportunity here to retire on the very top…but boxers are boxers & he’ll more likely than not fall for the lure of money…too bad.

Posted January 1, 2013 8:39 pm 


The money Marquez will make in Pacquiao-Marquez V came from his effort in the forth fight. If he retires he may as well have lost this fight — then there would be no possibilityof a 5th fight because he had 4 chances to win.. Now that he’s won, and has thrown a giant wrench into the Mayweather-Pacquiao Super Money Fight Extravaganza Express, they desperately need Marquez to right the applecart he overturned.. He should demand a lot more money for the 5th fight.. Now JMM has the psychological edge.. He knows he can knock Pacquiao out with one shot … and he knows the next shot doesn’t have to be as perfect… Nonetheless, if a great opening appears again he’s going to lay it in with a will.

Posted January 1, 2013 8:16 pm 


PEDman turn down more than 30 mil. to fight Floyd just because he wouldn’t do random blood testing…so i don’t see the connection here??…in fact,is PEDman’s camp the ones who always weasel their way out of ANY additional testing…the world wonders WHY??

Posted January 1, 2013 8:04 pm 


Marquez should stop taking PEDS at his age

Posted January 1, 2013 8:03 pm 


Marquez better get out of the ring because he knows very well what Manny Pacquiao has waiting for him for 2013. JMM knows that fight will always be deluded because of the PED supplier he worked with. He knows Manny Pacquiao has beat him 3 out of 4 times, and if it wasn’t for that lucky (Questionabl Ped Filled Angel Heredia) punch. JMM was on his way out. Forget all this wishful thinkingm about JMM planning the punch or that JMM has him figured out. Facts are, Manny was about to KO him until he threw the HAIL MARY, and it landed. JMM has no other alternatives besides Pacquiao. Floyd already beat him badly. He wasn’t a challenge. And JMM can’t beat the others guys like Broner, Rios, Garcia, Ortiz, or Bradley. More importantly, JMM knows that he is now under scrutiny due to his newly found power and nutrtional supplier in his camp. For a guy that just ko’d Manny, JMM sure is hesitant of another fight? Hmm….Wonder why that is?

Posted January 1, 2013 8:01 pm 


.. And Marquez will answer to the people’s call. A lot of people are asking for the fight. Its big money, against a guy he can hit. Its a no-brainer. There’s no other fighter he wants.

Posted January 1, 2013 7:43 pm 


He’s not gonna retire. This is the first time he will be earning like the big boys do and he’s gonna retire? I’m not buying that. I don’t think he will be turning down $12 million+ purses. He has been huntin for these kinds of payout. Against who, against the guy he knows he can hit. The only negative that he prolly see is, besides those 2 bombs he gave Pacquiao, he was losing that fight. Second reason: Pacquiao’s camp will probably impose bloodtesting this time. I understand Marquez’ hesitation but I know he won’t retire.

Posted January 1, 2013 7:37 pm 

The Best!

Its tough for a boxer to let go especially someone as competitive as Marquez. However, the smart and wise decision should be to hang them up while he is ON TOP. He can only go back down if he continues as he is not getting any younger.

Posted January 1, 2013 6:41 pm 


…or maybe Pacquiao should start taking on some of this young lions for a change instead of trying ONCE again to avenge his embarrassing defeat @ the hands of his old nemesis.

Posted January 1, 2013 6:21 pm 


I think Marquez should retire from the fight game too at 39 going 40 in August this year he has nothing too prove or offer a rematch with Manny Pacquiao would lead to another defeat on points and a 4-1 lossing streak with Manny boxing smart and not going for a KO but beating him badly into retirement. If he retires now he would retire on a career high and he is way too old at almost 40 to continue to box the best 140 lbs, what is there or whom is there for him to fight Amir Khan would beat him for speed in the legs and hands and make him look old as would Danny Garcia whom would most likely KO him and Manny would beat him on points in a rematch easily.

Posted January 1, 2013 6:14 pm 

pactards r idiots

I hop Marquez decides to retire for Pacquiao sake… I dnt want to see that poor pinoy get KTFO again… no fighter that has been knocked out in that manner where never the same..ex. diego corrales, paul williams, fernando montiel, roy jones and so on…

Posted January 1, 2013 5:58 pm 


No,he has nothing to prove anymore;there ain’t that many 40 year old out there to fight @ this level,let alone do what this man did…it takes some “cojones” my friend!!

Posted January 1, 2013 5:54 pm 

Still Butt Hurt

LMFAO people calling out a FORTY year old for wanting to retire. Pactard is as Pactard does.

Posted January 1, 2013 5:54 pm 


World class champion,he has nothing to prove to anyone anymore,he holds all the cards and i’m sure he and his family will make the right decision…job well done champ!!

Posted January 1, 2013 5:19 pm 


call it quits before it’s to late

Posted January 1, 2013 5:18 pm 

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