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Ray*

You have got to be retarded to think Peterson isnt a cheat.

Posted August 15, 2012 8:45 am 


Danny Shooter

The guy was found to have an illegal substance in his body, so he was caught cheating he should be banned for 2 years end of story.

Posted August 15, 2012 8:12 am 


AD

I don`t really think this exonerates Peterson. He didn`t take the testosterone unknowingly, he knew full well he had taken it, he just either forgot or decided not to apply for the therapeutic exemption, and therefore denied the authorities the right to investigate the legitimacy BEFORE the positive was found. His punishment should take the circumstances into account, but we can`t allow retrospective therapeutic exemptions and maintain the integrity of the strict liability system.
I don`t actually think Peterson was intending to cheat myself, if he was he has gone about things in a strange way, but letting him off opens a loophole we don`t want. At the very least he shouldn`t keep the title. I am not saying give it to Khan, but Khan deserves to fight for it just as much as Peterson does, and certainly moreso than Judah.

Posted August 15, 2012 3:57 am 


Fight Aficionado

“it would seem obvious there intent to do so wasn’t there. Common sense would seem to dictate the need for VADA to go a little further and earn their money before simply announcing a PED has been detected.” – Wrong. What’s obvious is Peterson was juiced on testosterone. This comes down to credibility. Who has more credibility, the IBF or VADA? 99 out of 100 will say VADA. Further, do you believe facts or excuses? Fact: Positive test result. Excuse: Peterson’s claim he did not take testosterone to boost performance. I’ll take facts and an unblemished reputation over excuses and the sullied rep of a boxing governing body.

Posted August 15, 2012 1:45 am 


Hidalgo

“plan.”

Posted August 15, 2012 12:50 am 


Hidalgo

BTW Ozzy, “no such value exists” also holds true for blood pressure, because everyone’s blood pressure is at least slight different from the next person’s. But there is a known range, and there are known symptoms of health problems caused by high or low blood pressure. Same things can be said for testosterone levels.

Posted August 15, 2012 12:48 am 


Hidalgo

“No such value exists as the level of testosterone in a male will vary widely throughout the population.” Listen, Ozzy, the same layman’s synopsis can be stated about blood pressure–that it varies widely throughout the population. Yet, people do suffer and die from high blood pressure. My point is, how do doctors diagnose high blood pressure? When do they know to do something about it? Or low blood pressure? So what if “we” don’t know what Peterson’s testosterone level was prior to the Khan fight. Who are YOU to challenge the independent physician’s diagnosis and treatment? Your problem is just that you want so badly for Peterson to be a cheater. And you badly want to prove that he is. Well, here’s your chance. Prove it. Stop babbling. Just prove it. With facts.

Posted August 15, 2012 12:45 am 


Hidalgo

No problem Ozzy. I’ll agree with anything you say—as soon as you prove to me that you know for a fact, that Peterson’s low testosterone levels occurred as a result of him taking steroids. Just prove it dude. I’ll lay my sword down at your feet. But until then….you’re just ranting.

Posted August 15, 2012 12:35 am 


Hidalgo

So? We’re going to shoot down every athlete who tests positive without giving him or her a chance to exhonerate themselves? Just ban any old athlete from the sport forever? That the way you want it? Listen, Chap and Chip–hmmm, there’s an odd duo–anyways, listen boys, he already paid the price for testing positive didn’t he? Deprived of a major fight and purse. Stripped of a title. Lambasted by the media. So, one organization made a different decision than another. Big deal. What else is new in the world of boxing? Perhaps you prefer Abner Mares being awarded titles for hitting an opponent below the belt so many times that his balls were knocked up to his chin. Yeah, that’s it. What about that type of cheating? Even though that fight should have been stopped while it was happening. Bet neither one of you pissed and moaned about that.

Posted August 15, 2012 12:31 am 


ozzy

Your figures are lifted from a 2-bit website and many doctors would argue with you about these limits. Peterson’s testosterone levels are not known at the time of the Khan fight they could have been much higher than the levels eventually found in March. You don’t need more proof about Peterson’s guilt as he had at least 3 opportunities to come clean. If all is okay as you say why didn’t he come clean. I’ve been trying to tell you why he didn’t but clearly I’m banging my head against a brick wall. If this “low testosterone treatment” BS is allowed I can guarantee that over the next few years we will see more and more of these situations crop up. It currently feels like I’m the only one who sees the danger in this situation. One thing’s for sure I shall always regard Peterson and his wonderful team as drug cheats which is exactly what they are!

Posted August 14, 2012 3:00 pm 


chap69

Stick to the basics everyone – he tested positive !

Posted August 14, 2012 2:44 pm 


Dyabolic

Peterson volunteered for VADA testing cause he didn’t plan on VADA doing the CIR testing. Remember the initial test showed negative till VADA performed the CIR testing. And that’s when he got caught. How come he never reported that he was receiving TRT?

Posted August 14, 2012 12:09 pm 


Pistol Pete

I think VADA got it right. Because even though it appears that Peterson is innocent it`s always better to err on the side of caution.

Posted August 14, 2012 10:53 am 


Hidalgo

Ozzy, testosterone levels in males may very but there are established, acceptably low and high level baselines. From the WebMD.com website: “The bottom of a man’s normal total testosterone range is about 300 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). The upper limits are 1,000 to 1,200 ng/dL.” The article goes on to say, “Low testosterone scores often lead to drops in bone density, meaning that bones become more fragile and increasingly prone to breaks.” It also discusses how low testosterone levels can cause other health problems. Furthermore, Peterson VOLINTARILY joined VADA. So, I don’t know about you but it makes no sense to me that Peterson would try to “cheat” after voluntarily agreeing to testing which would reveal such cheating. Additionally, the VADA Mission Statement says, “Through voluntary participation, VADA aims to help protect the health and safety of athletes who are willing to demonstrate their commitment to clean sport,” and goes on to say, ”
VADA will provide confidential counseling and referral assistance to athletes at risk for performance enhancing drug and harmful supplement use.” Well, if those goals are part of VADA’s mission, why didn’t they do as Mr. Strauss suggested–due digiligence–before reporting as they did, thereby potentially ruining a boxer’s career as well as a chance for a big, important fight which likely would have involved significant revenues and purses? You are too quick to condemn. Sure, Peterson should have let VADA know from the beginning. I too don’t believe that he “forgot” to tell anyone anything. But was he really trying to cheat? You need more proof.

Posted August 14, 2012 10:27 am 


ozzy

All this is b0ll0cks and the IBF know it. The article writer doesn’t appreciate that VADA nor anyone else can say exactly what a theurapeutic amount of testosterone is and what isn’t because it is down to medical opinion and what one panel of doctors will say is usually totally different to another. Team Peterson have used this situation along with a suitably chosen panel (independent my arse) to get his name cleared. And btw we have no idea what level of testosterone was in Peterson’s body prior to the Khan fight as he wasn’t tested by VADA until March (I think). The writer asks “whats wrong with normal?” which is totally the wrong question as it should be “what is normal?”. No such value exists as the level of testosterone in a male will vary widely throughout the population. Team Peterson and the IBF are using this situation to come up with conclusions that are just plain wrong. Please think before you are taken in by this hocus-pocus – if this decision stands it opens the door to all manner of low testosterone claims from boxers with an onboard doctor and lawyer please see them for what they are… drug cheats!!!

Posted August 14, 2012 8:33 am 


pugfan

Boxing should adapt Nascar’s stringent guide lines for drug testing and suspensions.

Posted August 14, 2012 7:40 am 


UJelly?

It’s up to Team Peterson to report medicinal use of such drugs and get an exemption by the relevant governing bodies.
Claiming that VADA is responsible for determining whether usage is innocent or not is misguided. They are a testing body, so they test and report on what they find without any interpretation. It is then up to the governing bodies (i.e. athletic commissions and sanctioning bodies) to decide whether any positive results are innocent or illegal.
Had Team Peterson made the governing bodies aware of their usage (and any championship level pro team knows they should do this), then the positive result that was found (i.e. below 4:1 ratio but unfortunately for Peterson, containing synthetic testosterone) would’ve been expected and passed off as normal.

Posted August 14, 2012 2:20 am 


Sizzle

I don’t completely agree but great article. This perspective is possible ad could hurt their business in the future.

Posted August 14, 2012 1:31 am 


PEEJ

Dont think they jumped the gun but there are some revisions that are necessary. Peterson in this case should not have been stripped of any titles, Khan should apologize for his dumb and stupid outburts which get annoying everytime he speaks. But no they did not jump the gun, they need to let the proper folks know of the findings that they show

Posted August 13, 2012 6:06 pm 


Da UnKnown Comic

I agree with Miatesvallenverga. Cheaterson and his ENTIRE team knew what they were doing. How do you FORGET to tell the commissions TWICE? Forgot? Please. Obviously this guy had wayyy more in his system before the first fight- and still needed a judges help. A REAL doctor (not hired by TMT/haymon to facilitate the Judah fight) said that the reason why Peterson’s testosterone was so low had to do with prior steroid use. This is a joke. Everybody ante-up, buy the dope, get a goo doctor, and come up with a song and dance excuse and you’ll win your case too.

Posted August 13, 2012 5:59 pm 


exactly!

This guy FORGOT he had surgery to improve his biology only months before the biggest fight of his life. If thats not seeking an unfair advantage i dont know what is. This article screams loud and clear everything that is wrong for with boxing. I’m shocked that anyone is offering up any excuses. Peterson should accept the way he acted was wrong irrespective of any issues with his biology and take the punishment. I whole heatedly agree with the previous post about khan taking drugs to aid his chin

Posted August 13, 2012 5:54 pm 


urone2

I don’t agree with the logic of the writer, VADA has to raise the red flag because there are a lot of ways to mask the PED’s where small levels of the PED appear. Whenever there is the slight chance that PED’s could be in use to gain an advantage there should be further investigation of the reason it is present. If VADA turned a blind eye to every little blip boxing may as well stay with the current testing that finds nothing. Peterson is only one of a few cases where, the VADA has found a case of substance abuse where it was clear explained. There are many cases of out right cheats that have been beating the system for years, and there will continue to be cheats that beat the system as long as there are large amounts of money involed.

Posted August 13, 2012 4:59 pm 


Miatesvallenverga

Peterson is a worthless cheat

Posted August 13, 2012 4:54 pm 


OCTAVIUS72

Excellent article and makes perfect sense!!!!!

Posted August 13, 2012 4:16 pm 


boxerpuncher

Wow, what a f’n joke. Our beloved sport lies in shambles with corruption and the likes … than there’s poop like this … simply amazing … boxing doesn’t need lazy testers …

Posted August 13, 2012 3:42 pm 


CALIBA

Great Article!!!

Posted August 13, 2012 3:27 pm 


hmmm…

NOT

Auto correct

Posted August 13, 2012 2:25 pm 


hmmm…

Edit
“The average population should but come into this”

Posted August 13, 2012 2:24 pm 


hmmm…

Where do you draw the line? Peterson’s testosterone level is the one that is natural to him, he took drugs to increase that above his natural level so he has an amount the same as some statistical average. Why is that ok, but taking drugs to improve some other aspect of your natural physical state may not be? The average population should but come into this at all, at the end of the day, it’s gaining an advantage with the aid of drugs…that’s performance enhancing.

If it were possible, should Khan be allowed drugs that gave him an average chin. Should slow fighter be allowed to take something to increase his speed to average?

Posted August 13, 2012 2:22 pm 


Anonymous

this is stupid, its the fighters responsibility to disclose to VADA any type of substances, especially ones that are banned if there is a legitimate medical reason. Why would you put the burden of proof on the agency, its the fighters fault for not speaking up.

Posted August 13, 2012 2:15 pm 


largo

good article indeed…

Posted August 13, 2012 1:54 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

Brilliant article Paul. I agree 100%.

Posted August 13, 2012 1:36 pm 



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