“That was Kassim Ouma, who went 10 rounds with him.” Vivek goes back 10 fights to put the knock on Golovkin.
And Ouma didn’t go 10 rounds. He went into the 10th. He was a very tough guy, but very badly battered at the end. That fight was the only time Kassim was stopped in the 21st Century.
Golovkin is en entirely different fighter today… Like Lomachenko is going to be better in 5 years.. These top notch Eastern European guys make a conscious effort to get better with every fight.Posted July 30, 2014 12:57 am
Vivek, you made an error; GGG fights on HBO, not the “starving network” which hasn’t brought us a decent match up since 2013 (and judging by what they have on tap for August 9th, they intend to continue that trend).Posted July 29, 2014 10:38 pm
Brent=TarkPosted July 29, 2014 7:02 pm
Ali would never have been as big globally if it wasn’t for rejecting the draft and our involvement in Viet Nam.
The United States Supreme Court UNANIMOUSLY ruled that Ali had every right to reject military service – based on his religious beliefs.
That was a momentous decision.. It pretty much ended military conscription in America and led to saner military policy overall — until Dubya Bush came along. That MFer almost broke us.Posted July 29, 2014 6:19 pm
Ali was a genius for not going over to that busted down country and getting his head blown off when the country largely denounced the whole thing… He is NOW considered a hero for taking a stand instead of being a Flag Waving Dummy with stumps for legs and hooks for hands…Posted July 29, 2014 4:10 pm
Never go to a sh#t Hole and try to win a fight.Posted July 29, 2014 3:40 pm
But you can’t argue their classic strategy of surrendering immediately might actually work better than getting stuck in the jungle for 19 years.Posted July 29, 2014 3:28 pm
the French are not that good Either.Posted July 29, 2014 3:21 pm
Smart move from Ali. Besides, didn’t the poor Vietnamese peasants kick your azz really good, after they had thrown the French out…Posted July 29, 2014 3:05 pm
Why are Canelos Fans so terrified of him fighting GGG at 154lbs???Posted July 29, 2014 2:57 pm
@American Vet…Of course he refused to fight in a stupid war that history now says was a UNJUST war. Sounds pretty smart to me.Posted July 29, 2014 2:44 pm
Who cares about Vietnam that war was for SUCKERS!!!Posted July 29, 2014 2:40 pm
Anyone who puts toe haye in the same ball park as Ali is probably a 70 year old Justin bieber fan.Posted July 29, 2014 11:50 am
DOC, this has become a HABIT with Tark he gives UNREAL accolades to the opponents of boxers that he wants to prop up…ie calling Nathan Cleverly a “Joe Calzaghe equivalent” so that he can sell Kovalev as something beyond what he has actually accomplished… David Haye is NOT even close to on par with Evander Holyfield as a HW who came up from Cruiserweight… But this means NOTHING to Tark because he wants to construct a BETTER opponent for Wlad and thus Haye is eligible for a “Tark Makeover”Posted July 29, 2014 10:27 am
When Tark rated David toe Haye over Ali he lost all boxing credibility. Toe was never the undisputed HW champ in his hurt toe life. lolPosted July 29, 2014 9:29 am
Tark, I am putting Golovkin in perspective UNLIKE you who will say he is the BEST MW ever as long as he knocks out another C fighter or two…You decided that Lomanchenko is the next coming of Jesus even though he has 3 fights ONE of which he LOST… You are in the business of elevating guys BEYOND belief based on limited data (spare me the sale of the amateur background with head gear) I gave you the SAME lambasting for your overestimations of Shawn Porter and Keith Thurman (called them “Great Boxers”) you were trying to sell Mayweather as dodging this kid because he laid waste to Paulie Malignaggi who had been stopped 2x already and has 7 losses… Like I said you were going crazy about Khan after he ate Judah up and then when he got waxed you backed OFF… You were SUPER high on Canelo NOW you have really cooled off and took Lara beating him as a given and went NUTS claiming corruption and underhandedness when the judges were not swayed by his accurate potshotting mixed with sprints… Again there is ALWAYS a reason that things did not go your way NEVER just “it is what it is” if one of your fighters gets KOed its because he did not drink Gatorade.. Nothing to do with the punch that hit him in the head… And for the record I gave GGG credit for stopping Geale in that manner it was impressive that said he still has a lot of work to do in order to support the WILD claims of his fans IMO…. Holla!Posted July 29, 2014 9:12 am
Tark, I see you below LEANING on the “Experts” as it pertains to who they would pick outright for Quillin and Cotto vs GGG… This is a CONTRADICTION because you DISMISS the “Experts” when they gave Canelo the nod against Lara… How many “Experts” do you think would agree with YOU that Holyfield and Bowe belong in a conversation with Tyson Fury?? or that a part time HW like David Haye is a modern day Ali equivalent?? Again your position is BOGUS and your focus on “My picks” shows me that you REALLY do honor my opinion and I am MAN enough (unlike you or Bears) to make a pick and then NOT peddle excuses or fabricate stories when it does not go my way…You NEVER accept when your fighter loses there is always a narrative that you need to invent to cover your mistakes this is a classic sign of insecurity…Posted July 29, 2014 9:00 am
I remember the look on Curtis Stevenson’s face when Golvkin knocked him down. I think that look said it all and should have answered any questions regarding Golvkin’s punching power. All of hi opponents come in with a game plan until they get hit, after they feel his power they lose their balls and start a retreat. Reminds me of what the Klitschko’s do to their opponents.Posted July 29, 2014 8:18 am
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s spedmon alt happyboy has arrived so sredmond will be here soonPosted July 29, 2014 7:22 am
You guys just can’t handle the truth and SRed is punching holes on your weak ass points.Posted July 29, 2014 6:20 am
vivek kind of jumped the tracks a few times on the subject. it damn sure couldn’t have been an analogy. yes ggg needs a sugar ray leonard,but where is he? maybe hopkins will come down like he said he would for floyd. maybe say 164. catchweight non-title bragging rights super fight? scheduled for 12 rounds or less.Posted July 29, 2014 4:27 am
GGG hits hard but it takes more than that, he is slow and a plotter he likes to get you on the ropes and unload But a more experienced boxer who is mobile will give him all kinds of problems, there is nothing special about GGG other than he has KO power, but he hasnt fought anyone either not the top guys who would test him. The jury is still out on GGGPosted July 28, 2014 10:45 pm
Hello good buddies
Sredmond.., “I give Miguel a very good chance GGG never fought anyone like that… Quillen? not overly sold on Kid Chocolate I would call that a tossup.”
If those fights ever happen, you will note that Golovkin will be a huge favorite… but you don’t see him winning either contest … which figures.Posted July 28, 2014 10:26 pm
BRZA DA ORIGINATOR IS POSTING UNDER LOOMIS!! THIS IS THE KIND OF IDIOT THAT WE ALL INTERACT WITH ON THESE THREADS, CHILDISH BEHAVIOUR ON A BOXING THREAD.Posted July 28, 2014 10:00 pm
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i thinkthe only question for 3g 154-168 is ward, and i still favor 3g heavily in that fight. he is simply more skilled, more accurate and resilient, his arsenal is near the top in all of boxing and def beyond wardsPosted July 28, 2014 9:37 pm
I am Puerto Rican and love supporting Cotto however, Cotto just moved up to 160 and GGG is a natural 160. GGG has never taken any beatings or has gone 12 grinding rounds so he is hungry and healthy. GGG takes Cotto in deep and stops him 7-9.Posted July 28, 2014 8:43 pm
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now s-turd-mon is making sh!t up about tark cause tark swooped in and ko’ed his a$$ in one post.
tark gets most his forecasts right. he absolutely nailed it on the canelo vs fraud even forecasting the scores. it was one of his best forecasts that i have seen.
this turd wants to fabricate tark had canelo winning and its a total lie. sredmond is always lieing about what others say and its funny he complains when someone masquerades and posts under his name as though he has any phukin honor and integrity.
to the dude masquerading as s turd mon, u crack me up.
i dont lie about what other people say, even if i think they are turds like s turd mon. s turdmans fate will be getting ridiculed for calling cotto more skilled than 3g
then u have s turd mons use of the term “betray” what an idiot. whoevers terminology he is copying on that is a phuk head. s turd mon is just a learning disabled retard who regurgitates what he see’s on the boards and what he hears at the local nation of islam get togetherPosted July 28, 2014 7:16 pm
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I love GGG
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Now that I think about it golovkin moving up n knocking out dre could be the biggest legacy building win since ray leonard found a way against hagler . I rate dre ward that highly . Correct me if im wrongPosted July 28, 2014 5:05 pm
Vivek dedication a lot of space to analyzing Cotto vs GGG but doesn’t state who he thinks would win. Who wins Vivek? IMO GGG puts him to sleep in 9 rounds or less. Doubt Cotto steps up but you never know — unlike cherry picking ducker Martinez, Cotto has shown he’s willing to step up.Posted July 28, 2014 5:01 pm
Tark, can you EVER make a prediction and stop with the excuses???? You had Lara over Canelo and had PREBOOKED a PPV date for Lara against Floyd… When Erislandy came up short you began making excuses as is custom with you! Same for Martinez when Cotto beat him down! you were BIG on Serg then called him a cripple after Cotto took him apart… You are a demented revisionist existing on excuses and sham informationPosted July 28, 2014 4:55 pm
Tark that’s a SERIOUS lie I took Mattheysee OVER Garcia because I thought his heavy hands would win the day I was indeed WRONG because Danny stood his ground… YOU also had Martinez beating Cotto LOL!! You also had Canelo beating Floyd! I said Mayweather would “shred him” well I am CLOSER to the actual result than YOU who said that Canelo was going to win….Where did I say that Haye would stop Vitali in 4 rounds? once Haye SMASHED Chisora Vitali and his fans LIKE you wanted NO parts of him in the ring with the Elder Klit!! Tark UNLIKE YOU I always declare my pick WITHOUT equivocations ie Tark “if he trains this, that and the other” or AFTER the bout, “it was his weight or the dog”… Cotto vs GGG is interesting in my eyes, Cotto the BETTER boxer, GGG having a notable size and strength advantage I give Miguel a very good chance GGG never fought anyone like that… Quillen? not overly sold on Kid Chocolate I would call that a tossup… These contender type fighters and unvetted boxers have not earned my undying respect or confidence UNLIKE YOU who thinks Lomanchenko is unbeatable even though he ALREADY LOST (excuses will FLY) I remember when you were HYPING Amir Khan after he beat Judah and then you JUMPED ship when he shamed you… YOU did the SAME with Canelo and you will with Porter and Thurman when they lose…. You are predictable that is why I OWN you!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!Posted July 28, 2014 4:52 pm
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If gennady defeats ward (huge if ) n it would probably have to be a knockout . That would definately elevate gennady to no 2 p4p and depending on his dominance before the ko maybe he even makes no 1 ( depending on floyds performance against marcos . No way moving up n soundly schooling canelo shakes up the boxing world like thatPosted July 28, 2014 4:47 pm
Brza I disagree, an OLDER fighter like Mayweather spotting a young talent like Canelo 15 pounds could have been MAJOR danger… Ward is NOT a big puncher though he does seem to be pushing for the KO more with the Dawson and Rodriguez bouts under his belt… GGG can stay at 160 but that is gonna require his fans to confine their commentary to the MW division since he is officially balking at the notion of facing guys at 168 unless its on PPV..Posted July 28, 2014 4:12 pm
To the Wallace man
There is something basically sour with you. To hear you speaking about the Media, about the American Media is precious. It sounds like a old -hore talking virginity. Man what you are doing for a living? Bowling Rihanna? You are an American Media, flesh, that means toiling with your plume, like all the other American Media guys. You are not coming from Mars. Actually I was thinking that you are an Italian character, worshiping black fighters, especially Money. There is not harm, basically they are amazing…But they are great white fighter too if you don’t mind…so there is not need to squint…American Media my brain…Mind you, people like Money (do they? there is nothing heroic in him! except the fight with Corrales), people fancy solid fighters, not back pedaling ( except Ward) but however people adore punchers, like Hearns and Golovkin, So stop your poor conceit game man, try to grow upPosted July 28, 2014 4:07 pm
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@sredmondI want the fight at 168 but moving up to fight andre ward ( who if he was more active n his excellence was contonuing in said activity I would have at the moment p4p no 1) and fighting canelo at 152 r worlds apart . Just pointing it out . Btw I wish that fight was tomorrow but I understand hbo wanting to marinate it into a super fight cos lets face it they can . No one is touching gennady at 160 n ditto fir dre at 168Posted July 28, 2014 4:05 pm
Bears, Cotto is a Hall of Famer, GGG is a guy who is hot right now still looking for a defining win or a BIG name to make his case with… Cotto just had the biggest win of his career and he is the toast of the town after 17 World Championship bouts and being one of the more bankable guys on the planet as it pertains to PPV fights over the years… GGG is sniffing Miguels JOCK because he wants to eat and wants that lineal belt so your dismissals of Cotto only make Golovkin look bad… Cotto waxed Martinez in style the lineal Champ a MUCH better fighter than anyone that Golovkin EVER beat at MW UNLESS you consider Geale who a damn good MW who could not do more than an S/D against his better opponents or Macklin who Martinez STOPPED better than Martinez who was a Lineal with 6 defenses… Kill Yourself CHUMP!!Posted July 28, 2014 3:55 pm
Bears, NO ONE except backwater, tobacco spitting HillBillys like you uses Boxrec for their fighter rankings you IDIOT… Ring Magazine is most prestigious and Golovkin is NOT ring Champ whereas Ward has been Ring Champ at 168 for years and inactivity may get him off the list but not another fighters fists… YOU are the guy seeking to have GGG avoid him which is pretty clear NOW…Posted July 28, 2014 3:52 pm
Bears, GGG is a JOKE compared to Floyd Mayweather who is an ATG if he retires today… Golovkin has been fighting No NAmers, No Hopers and mostly BUMS… His 2 best wins are no big deal…If his career ended today he would be forgotten… Mayweather is immortal that’s why GGG and everyone else wants to get some of his shine and his status…When he retires boxing will take a HIT because there is not a guy who can replace him… No one is spending real $$$$$ to see Golovkin beat up no name guys…Posted July 28, 2014 3:50 pm
Bears, I can see you trying to be creative with the language its an MAJOR fail… Its not natural to you and you are wasting space on the threads with your vain attempts at seeming like you have an IQ above 65… As for your dismissal of Martinez if Cotto beating him for the Lineal Championship means NOTHING then why do you want Golovkin to fight him? Surely it means NOTHING right? AGAIN you are BUSTED… See you cannot call Cotto “A Puss” and then seek to elevate GGG for a possible win or deride Cotto for facing Canelo first… Cotto has the heads of a definite HOFER on his resume (Mosley) and a likely HOFER Martinez…He is a 4 division Champion which is historic in nature…. You say “who did he beat” WHO THE FCUK did GGG Beat LMAO!!! NO ONE EXCEPT a guy that Martinez beat (Macklin) and Daniel Geale who are not fighters with historical cache… So AGAIN you NEGATE your own WACK points….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!Posted July 28, 2014 3:48 pm
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3g has never been knocked down fraud has beenPosted July 28, 2014 3:41 pm
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glad to see boxrec dropped ward to number 5 p4p. he is actually listed below jmm!!!! lol!!!Posted July 28, 2014 3:40 pm
Actually, Floyd Mayweather has never really been hit. He has the best defense ever. Yet, he’s not “the best ever”.Posted July 28, 2014 3:39 pm
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“his experience, movement, and over all ability”
wtf is that!? lol! where do we start with that gem of a post?
can u elaborate in detail on your vague generality that actually means nothing in “overall ability”. sounds like garbage verbiage. your belittleing a ko artists movement? who has cotto beat again? a broke martinez who murry beat? everyone is calling martinez broke everyone was referencing his body b4 the bout and rightfully so.
cotto beat a margo with ayear outta the ring and 3 seperate eye surgeries and no tune up
then u say cottos experience?! wtf? getting smoked by pacman and trout and loosing to fraud have nothing to do with cottos skills moreover who cotto shares a ring with has nothing to do with his skills. a boxers skillset has nothing to do with anyone else.
that whole post was utter garbage and really detracting from a guy whi has atg greatness written all over him.
i have heard retards say 3g can be hit. can someone point to a fighter who cant be?
calling cotto better than 3g i think your retarded and so was your explanationPosted July 28, 2014 3:31 pm
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do u know what betray means? please look up the definition now. i will give u a hint its the opposite of embracePosted July 28, 2014 3:13 pm
Bo Bo, AGAIN Hopkins moved up at 41 and was a 3-1 Underdog for his troubles as for GGG being “small” he looks MUCH more sturdy than Andy Lee who is only taller…Fighters have always varied in height and operated in a range the reality is that GGG is NOT a small MW… Both Berto and Porter fought at MW when they were amateurs and they would have indeed been small for the class if they did that as pro…Golovkin “being too small to challenge at 168 does not fly” he was going for Chavez Jr who is really BIG (A Cruiser) at that weight…Ward is more skilled than Jr and cannot punch as hard so I don’t see the issue if guys wanted the fight…Posted July 28, 2014 3:04 pm
Bears, your post made NO sense as usual and yes Cotto is a BETTER boxer than Golovikin.. His movement overall skills and experience dictate that… GGG is STRONG but he plods pretty much straight ahead looking to land BIG shots which are the bread and butter of his game…Cotto is a HOF fighter and he has been a winner in 4 weight divisions while you are TERRIFIED of GGG sneaking out of ONE and maybe running into an Andre Ward or another fighter who unlike Geale is not gonna go away after the first hard right hand… Your fear is palpable, Cotto is a warrior who began at 140 and right NOW has the Title that Gennady covets THATS why GGG is chasing Miguel… Boo Ya!Posted July 28, 2014 2:59 pm
Bo Bo Olson
Ward can box very well, and fight…Chavez not.
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Hopkins had to jump…there were no more fights in Middle after many years of domination; there was much more money to be made by taking on Travor. With out a title no one needed to fight him…so didn’t.
Back in the day 6 foot was a good middle’s height.
I can see a ‘big welter’ ie a Jr. Middleweight growing naturally to Middle.
Sugar Ray Robinson was a giant in his day at Welter at 5-11 1/2. Only two welters he fought were that huge. Many of the welters he fought were 5′-6″ or 8″. At Middle he was not a giant any more. He was not big for middle.
It is not unusual to see 6-1, 6-2 Middleweights today. That is why I say GGG is a small middleweight.Posted July 28, 2014 2:52 pm
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sredmond- first off no cotto is not a better boxer thats your opinion and it stinks. who else may agree with u onthat i would be interested to find out cAuse they will go down in your sinking ship with u.
u said “betrays serious ignorance” betray means antithetical or to break away from. so essentially whoever your talking to below u are saying it is NOT serious ignorance to throw around ped acusations
your command of english is garbage
work on your command of ebonicsPosted July 28, 2014 2:43 pm
Bo Bo, why does Ward need to accommodate GGG when GGG was OK fighting Chavez Jr who is BIGGER than Ward but about 1/2 the fighter? Trying to sell GGG as a SMALL MW is bogus he is normal for the division whereas Cotto is SMALL… Ward is NOT Big for SMW that’s another piece of nonsense… So basically you are saying that Golovkin and his team need to STOP looking at 168 and making mention of his ability to stop ANYONE in these weight classes? seems like you guys wanna keep GGG in the witness protection program… Hopkins was 41 and jumped 2 divisions to take Tarvers strap you mean to tell me that Gennady cannot deal any higher than 160 where he started?Posted July 28, 2014 2:39 pm
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Why don’t Ward loose those 8 little pounds** and go down and fight GGG?
What about a catch weight 162 1/2? After all weight don’t make any difference at all, according to some.
** Whoops….he does come in the ring as a small Cruiser at over 175 or is that 180?Posted July 28, 2014 2:35 pm
Bears, Cotto can make at least 3-5X the money facing Canelo that he can Golovkin he is NOT “pussing out” why don’t you growup a little… Miguel Cotto has fought for YEARS to get to this place, he faced everyone Martinez, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Trout, Margarito, Judah, Mosley and the list goes on… The guy is in the latter stages of his career and is not gonna miss out on MONSTER paydays if they are there because a DOPE like you is aching for Golovkin to get a household name on his resume… Personally I like that fight should Cotto get by Canelo, Miguel is a better boxer than Golovkin and he hits hard enough to keep guys honest but he would be giving up substantial size and strength…Posted July 28, 2014 2:34 pm
““BTW, for the idiot who asked the question about GGG potentially being on PEDs, please get a life.”
That was Vivek posing as a question asker.”
Uh, no. That was me.Posted July 28, 2014 2:31 pm
BTW Vivek, you claim that until facing GGG, Geale had never faced any adversity. Really? Geale has been boxing for 24 years. Boxers face adversity every time they step into the ring.Posted July 28, 2014 2:30 pm
These irresponsible PED allegations that guys lob all over the sport really betray serious ignorance.. Being a GREAT puncher is more than just being strong or a massive weight lifter if that was the case then Tim Bradley would be laying everyone out at 140 and 147…And Felix Trinidad would have never stopped anyone with those noodle arms and that boyish physique… Golovkin is entitled to the same benefit of the doubt I give all boxers including Pac Man and Marquez as it pertains to cheating… Unless you have a positive test or HARD evidence I am NOT interested in guys with an agenda trying to discredit a fighter..Posted July 28, 2014 2:27 pm
“BTW, for the idiot who asked the question about GGG potentially being on PEDs, please get a life.”
That was Vivek posing as a question asker.Posted July 28, 2014 2:26 pm
“3G’s face was clean. Never hit a threatening punch because of his defensive skills.”
Not entirely correct, Tark. Geale was landing some nice clean blows when he got on the inside. The only reason they weren’t threatening is because Geale just doesn’t have much power. But he managed to land some pretty good shots on GGG’s face and chin.Posted July 28, 2014 2:24 pm
Vivek said: “Let me see what he does on that level before I start to ask whether or not he’s up to something.”
So if GGG is just as powerful when he moves up in weight Vivek will question whether GGG “is up to something,” meaning that he might be doing PEDs.
Face it Vivek, GGG is just a naturally strong powerful guy. There are people like that that exist in our world. Lots of them. GGG just happens to be one of them, who happens to be a boxer.
BTW, for the idiot who asked the question about GGG potentially being on PEDs, please get a life.Posted July 28, 2014 2:21 pm
Oh Brother here we go with the imposters who cannot stand up and make their own points… They gotta try and corrupt other posters screen names… AGAIN you cannot imitate my style! I speak in paragraphs most times and creatively use the language..Posted July 28, 2014 2:20 pm
There’s no Fkn way DelaDruggie and Cinnabums people will let him anywhere near GGG even at 154lbs.. GingerBuns will have to continue fighting 140lb’ers or shot 147lb’ers… Canelo would get knockedafkoutCold… and Canelos people know it…Posted July 28, 2014 2:13 pm
boxing fan – excellent post regarding the race issue. spot onPosted July 28, 2014 1:49 pm
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i like dan and have for years and like his, fred roaches, lou duva’s commentating on epixPosted July 28, 2014 1:43 pm
Bears not trying to be disrespectful to you and who you like but Dan is a tool. He used to be on Top Ranks payroll. He is lousy. Yeah he gets info cause he works for ESPN but he is plain garbage.Posted July 28, 2014 1:41 pm
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3g holds the highest ko ratio in middleweight history
3g was fighter of the year in 2013
dan raphael says:
so dan is using the “LEGEND” term like many of us already have. im a poster ahead of my time! dan is one of the guys around the sport i like!!
3g has now filled madison square garden 3 times.
i bet cotto pu$$es out from the huge ppv event at msg that would be 3g vs cotto. loeffler, 3g’s promoter said they could make it financially appealing for cotto
roach was ring side scouting 3g! lol!!
he must have thought MY GOD!!Posted July 28, 2014 1:35 pm
Eric I am mainly speaking about on here. I am not speaking historicallyPosted July 28, 2014 1:33 pm
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wilder might have a higher ko % bu wilder fights bum fluff only and is not a champ so i have heard or read noone but vivek reference that. i thought that statement was irrelevant and why vivek made it is curiousPosted July 28, 2014 1:32 pm
GGG is in a weird position. He knows he’s never going to fight either Cotto or Floyd. They’re not stupid. The guy is 20 pounds bigger than Cotto (who came in at 155 for Martinez) and prob 25/30 pounds bigger than Floyd. And all the fights are either below him or above him. If I were Golovkin I would stay right where I am and not go up to 168. He can make the weight comfortably, very soon a lot of the talent at 154 has to come up (Canelo will be forced to probably two fights from now, after fighting Cotto at a catch weight- Lara will go up tomorrow if they ask him- the Charlos – Andrade – Trout are all BIG 154rs…Posted July 28, 2014 1:18 pm
Eric, I really don’t see how “White Boxers have to go the extra mile” you keep ignoring VERY accomplished boxers like Mayweather and Pacquiao who had to “go the extra mile to prove themselves” the public was NOT warm and fuzzy on Lennox Lewis either until the latter stages of his career… So the reality is that you are ignoring genuine vetting that GGG is being asked to fulfill and passing it off as “Blacks are being harder on Golovkin” I don’t anoint ANY NEW fighters as the man because just like in music I have seen ALOT of “one hit wonders” I think Broner is a very good young fighter but NEVER put him on Mayweathers status… Why??? because he was young and building meanwhile a DUMMY like Tark thinks Lomanchenko who is 2-1 as a pro is a can’t miss HOFER, I attribute that mostly to Tarks love of the bandwagon than anything else..Posted July 28, 2014 1:15 pm
GGG is very good or should I say is making a case for him to be called great but calling him one of the greatest of all times at this stage is not just ludicrous but out right buffoonery.Posted July 28, 2014 1:14 pm
As usual, this pundit’s lack of knowledge leads him to false conclusions.
Gennady Golovkin isn’t “walking through punches” like Dempsey, LaMotta, Marciano, Frazier, Trinidad, Pavlik, and other punchers who had the ability to suck up punishment and overpower the weak opposition they initially faced. Look at their faces after some of their fights. Marciano with a split nose and Frazier’s head swollen to the size of a melon.
3G’s face was clean. Never hit a threatening punch because of his defensive skills.
He had a phenomenal amateur record. In the history of amateur boxing only Lomachenko and Rigondeaux have more stellar won/loss records – and that includes all boxers who compiled over 300 fights – and 2 or more world championships. 3G’s record was 345-5 after boxing top amateur competition for many, many years.
Golovkin would have ended the fight earlier had he taken more punishment. Geale has never come close to being stopped before. 3G expected, and said, he wanted, to go 12. But he developed his high volume pressure style because he wants to be a crowd pleaser too, and he’s a gifted puncher as well as boxer.
Vasyl Lomachenko.., “I don’t want quick KO’s. That’s no fun for me. I want to fight the world’s best fighters because they’re hard to fight. They can go 12 rounds, and you have to think very hard and use all your skills to beat them.”
Gene Tunney.., “Ace punchers seldom go 20 rounds. They go for the kill from the bell. Boxers have many more distance fights so we gain more experience and expertise.”Posted July 28, 2014 1:10 pm
Eric, AGAIN where is your official polling? you are just basing that off ONE experience… I’m sure if I cared to ask random White Voters “why did they vote for Bush or Romney” I would have no problem finding more than a few that could NOT give me concrete answers so what’s your point? As for boxers I am by FAR the most hardcore boxing fan of all my friends most hardly know the landscape and thus my discussions are GREEK to them… We see PLENTY of bigoted commentary in regards to Black Boxers on this site daily yet I see no outrage from you? Again whatever you are seeking to prove is falling flat with me… In fact insinuating that Black Americans largely voted for Obama absent his ACTUAL credentials is a pretty Racist concept… So are you saying that the Millions of White People who voted for him ALL studied his policies, background etc to the most minute detail? are you saying they did that with Bush and Reagan??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YET you are giving Black America very little credit for diversity of thought…. Seems Pavlik, the Klits etc did FINE the failure of the Klits in the US is attributable to what? there are PLENTY of folk available to support them if they were NOT boring…Posted July 28, 2014 1:08 pm
I am a fan of GGG. He is a fun fighter to watch. Good power underrated skills. I would like to see him stay at 160 unify the division, that has some of the greatest history. After owning all of the belts maybe a super fight with Ward. For now though a unification with cotto would be a great fight. Cotto has good power and would be able to make GGG pay for mistakes. I think it would be a great fight for 8-10 rounds with GGG winning by KO.
I wouldn’t want to see the Floyd fight because he is to small. If he cut weight like Alverez or many other fighter he could fight at 135/140. Then everyone would complain about him beating up smaller people.
And then you have on top of that those double standard people who say why does GGG have to move to any other weight class while Ward stays at 168. Yet they haven’t done their research or fail to acknowledge the simple fact that GGG has called everybody from 154 to 175 out. And then go on to claim that Mayweather should move up and fight and if he doesn’t then he is weak. They always make excuses for fighters they are fans of and claim this, that and the other about boxers they are not fans of.Posted July 28, 2014 12:57 pm
The people who constantly bring up race are the racist ones. People call me racist because I have picked Floyd and Ward to win. Yet they are undefeated and I am still called a racist. So once again all these people who claim this color or that color would be better or who are actually accusing other people being racist are in fact racist themselves.Posted July 28, 2014 12:55 pm
How am I lying? I know Mayweather holds the 154lb Championship Belt. But he has already said he is not a 154lb fighter and he will finish his career at 147. Like I said step your knowledge up.Posted July 28, 2014 12:53 pm
No I really don’t relate Eric as it pertains to the “Race Card” when I call someone a Bigot on here its because they made a CLEARLY bigoted statement. I really don’t care what fighters people support and my arguments discuss the boxer, my perception his skills, accomplishments and opposition.. ie I did NOT make Mayweather the #1 fighter in the World, Ring Mag did that along with a lot of other regulatory bodies in the sport… I am NOT the only person who is not close to ranking GGG with Hagler, Monzon or Hopkins at MW…. I don’t even put him above Sergio Martinez who has a better group of boxers he beat to get where he was… So NAW I don’t relate with the whiners, complainers and others who get flummoxed when they are slammed with a stronger argument..ie Bears is a Bigot, whereas Tark is just a Garden Variety IDIOT.Posted July 28, 2014 12:51 pm
There’s no Fkn way DelaDruggie and Cinnabums people will let him anywhere near GGG even at 154lbs.. GingerBuns will have to continue fighting 140lb’ers or shot 147lb’ers… Canelo would get knockedafkoutCold… and Canelos people know it…Posted July 28, 2014 12:43 pm
Eric, I think that you OVER emphasizing the experiences of yourself and Kelly Pavlik really does not provide a jumping off point or explanation for why certain posters want to explain away scrutiny of GGG via “Race” my point is that if that is the rationale for why he is being put under the microscope then how do you explain the scrutiny Mayweather is under and how do you ignore that Golovkin hs ample individuals (more than Mayweather) that look like him in this country… The experiences of yourself and Kelly Pavlik really don’t make a strong case for your thesis… The sample population is too small and your own experience creates an inherent bias…Posted July 28, 2014 12:41 pm
Braza, AGAIN its GGG’s fans and his trainer that are putting him in this position… Why a catchweight when GGG began at 160? He was just signing a contract to face Chavez Jr at 168 so whats the issue? Mayweather began at 130 and fights at pretty much the WW limit fight night when at 147 as evidenced by his fight night weight of 148 against Maidana who was 165…. AGAIN if this guy is the monster you say he is then why would he need special accommodations to fight Ward who is NOT as big a puncher as Chavez Jr? Its time for GGG’s people to stop handing him the scepter in divisions he has NOT conquered or these questions will abound… Mayweather spotted Canelo 13 years and 15 pounds you mean to say that Golovkin who is prime age cannot move up ONE weight class absent accomodations?Posted July 28, 2014 12:30 pm
All you people talking about “race” are really quite confused: for example, you think that Golovkin is “white” and that Ward is “black”, yet Golovkin is no more “white” than he is “yellow” (his mother is Korean), and Ward is no more “black” than he is “white” (his father is Irish). Similarly, you think of Barack Obama as “black” like you think of Mayweather as “black”, yet Obama has more in common genetically with white than black Americans (virtually none of whom descend from Kenyans).
The fact is that “race” is a biologically meaningless folk concept. We’re all just human beings, and each of of us is the product of extremely complex genetic lineages. There are no such things as “races” as you imagine them.
Just grow up and get over it, please.Posted July 28, 2014 12:29 pm
brza da originator
@sredmond wud u be in favour of a 166 catchweight seen as thats what may did with jnr middle( despite having first fought at the weight 6yrs ago . Did u really try n compare moving up to fight canelo to moving up to drePosted July 28, 2014 12:25 pm
Sean Redmond the racist scumbag loser. It wasn’t long ago he wanted Golovkin to die in the ring, the lowlife piece of crap. His mother and father must be gutted they brought such racist piece of crap like him into the world.Posted July 28, 2014 12:19 pm
Adrian, my arguments are too strong and evocative YOU cannot ignore me so how can you instruct others to? it would be easier for you to ignore the Sun… Lackey!Posted July 28, 2014 12:18 pm
Fight Me, move into the 21st Century the Black Panthers have been defunct for decades LMAO… Ahhhhh nothing more hilarious than an ANGRY Hill Billy on the ropes :) :) :)Posted July 28, 2014 12:17 pm
PEEJ you are such a lying racist piece of crap. Mayweather holds the 154 belts.Posted July 28, 2014 12:15 pm
Like I said Redmond “kiss my white a$$”. You are nothing but a black racist bigot who is the biggest hypocrite on east side boxing. You need to get off the computer now because i think you are late to your black panther meeting.Posted July 28, 2014 12:10 pm
Eric, you said that ” you don’t move up and take on the best guy in the division” That’s EXACTLY what Mayweather did when he faced Canelo and he was 36 years old pulling that stunt after beginning at 130 without the benefit of a BIG punch…. AGAIN its Golovkins trainer and camp that keep selling him as a World Beater up to 168 so why must the skeptics and semi skeptics be so careful? He can stay at 160 all he wants but then confine your rhetoric to that division… Because if he starts talking 168 we are gonna start talking Ward and Carl Froch…. Going up there and beating a scrub is gonna accomplish NOTHING…. Again Team Golovkin cannot have it both ways….Posted July 28, 2014 12:07 pm
Just ignore Sredmond !!!!Posted July 28, 2014 12:06 pm
all fighters should stay at the weight they are comfortable at..until they outgrow the division…if they are good enough the money will come to them eventually….no need for fans to try and get guys to fight out of the division they belong in….all this clamoring for fighters to jump divisions is getting boring, if you make weight, that’s the division you belong in…..Posted July 28, 2014 11:48 am
Fightme I don’t have sugar in my tank. Sounds like you do though. And I have stated he is the best at 160. What else do you want me to say about him? Sounds like you have his balls in your throat though.Posted July 28, 2014 11:48 am
Might be jumping into GGG fanboi territory here but it seemed like he pulled out of the follow up left hook once Geale was going down. If he’d followed through with a hard accurate left hook… Nasty, i think GGG showed compassion.Posted July 28, 2014 11:43 am
Why the HELL should Mayweather fight a 160 pounder, when he is a SMALL WW in the first place? Floyd began at 130 and without the benefit of a big punch has dominated up to 147 and 3x at 154… The bigger question is Golovkin who has about 1/4 Mayweathers skillset willing to dilute his power and fight bigger men? looking to chase a guy who is 148 fight night is not really making GGG look like a “player” I understand the desire to make the Mayweather bank but why are his fans who are SO confident in him leery of him stepping up a weight class? or his he ONLY a one trick pony? ie a big puncher at 160? AGAIN he can stare there but the recantations need to begin regarding him being a killer at higher weights when he only seeks PPV worthy battles above 160… Mayweather has MORE than proven himself GGG is a guy who could be forgotten tomorrow if he slips up badly enough…Posted July 28, 2014 11:41 am
Roy Jones is a “prestigious afterthought”. Pac just beat the second best fighter at 147. You’re worse than Rob Smith, Vivek. You’re both as partial and prejudiced, but at least Smith’s writing is bad enough that you just can’t take him seriously. You disguise your agendas in your flowery prose so that some might actually be fooled into thinking you’re a serious journalist. But your pieces are filled with drivel and nonsense more driven by an over inflated ego than by fact or honest analysis.Posted July 28, 2014 11:29 am
Fight Me, you are the typical angry bigot who cannot really be honest about what you are feeling.. Reality is that you would not be discussing RACE except for the fact that you are frustrated that people are predictably ASKING questions about Golovkin.. FACT is that he has fought ALOT of Tomato Cans during his defenses and how he acquired the title does not really impress… He might prove to be something really special but if his career stopped now he is not going to the HOF based on a banged up Macklin and Daniel Geale (SORRRY)…. Again Manny has questions, Floyd has questions why the HELL would Golovkin have NONE or not be scrutinized….YESSSSSS he will have to likely move out of his comfort zone to get the true acceptance he is aggressively seeking and that does NOT mean dropping down… Mayweather and Pac Man moved a legit 12 weight classes between them in pursuit of glory and riches… Will Golovkin take a chance on diluting his power which is his primary asset? or will he stay at 160 fighting 4x per year against mostly C level boxers? Inquiring Minds want to know!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!Posted July 28, 2014 11:25 am
I’m not jumping on the GGG bandwagon just yet. I think he gets hit a little too easily. Let’s see some stiffer competition first.Posted July 28, 2014 11:08 am
Like I said get your knowledge up. They said they only person they would move down for was Floyd. And Floyd is not a 154 pound fighter. He has already stated that and that is why he is back at 147. So that is just dumb. That makes him look like a bully, just like Martinez calling out welters. lol. He needs to do his work at 160. And again his color has nothing to do with it. Only ignorant people like you claim that.Posted July 28, 2014 11:07 am
Ggg has average skills at best. Cotto would pick him apart easily. Ggg is not on d same level as cotto. Why fight him then? No money there. Only fights for cotto money wise is money or opie Taylor.Posted July 28, 2014 11:05 am
ahhhh … SREDMOND the biggest racist here at EB is back. Shut your mouth and crawl back under the rock you come from you racist loser scumbag.Posted July 28, 2014 11:03 am
That’s a RIDICULOUS comment because fighters like Mayweather are constantly questioned and they have fought PLENTY of household names and guys with concrete accomplishments… Golovkin is being ASKED big questions because his fans are making BIG statements…Why would we even respect him trying to drop down and face Floyd who is WAY smaller than him no “ifs ands or buts” about it? Golovkin is a BIG puncher and he has looked very dominant against MOSTLY C level fighters but if he wants a true stamp of approval he needs to build on the Geale win and focus his energies on Quality not Quantity of opposition.. He does not need 3 stay busy fights and one solid opponent at this stage… Danny Garcia is getting grief and he fought the best available at 140 for the most part.. But no one is looking for more Salkas and Herrera’s… GGG wants to be LARGER than life? well it has to involve wins against escalating foes and guys that have a proven track record… Again Mayweather defeats HOFers like Cotto, Mosley, Oscar and Marquez and he still has to answer questions? he defeats a TOP young fighter in Canelo with ease and he stil has to answer questions.. You really think that Golovkin beating Adama, Ouma, Rosado, Ishida and Stevens is gonna just get an FDA stamp of approval from EVERYONE? Geale was a good win but its just a start…Posted July 28, 2014 11:01 am
True, but what else do you expect from black Americans? Most of them are full on racists! Golovkin could win every belt under under the sun and they still wouldn’t rate him.Posted July 28, 2014 10:58 am
If GGG was any other color he would still be the same person we are talking about today. He has never fought at 154 so I don’t see why people keep bringing that up. He is the man at 160 and that is what needs to be talked about. Will Cotto fight him, seriously doubt it. So he is basically gonna have to fight the person that beats Cotto. GGG resume is not bad at all. He is fighting who he can fight at 160 and some seem to be ranked in the top 10. That is all you can ask for at the moment.Posted July 28, 2014 10:56 am
just hand over the belts or get out of town.ggg is the new boss in town.take note.Posted July 28, 2014 10:53 am
I don’t think Cotto lasts three rounds with Golovkin before he takes Cotto’s head off. It would be a one-sided slaughter.
Canelo MIGHT make it to round 4 but I seriously doubt it. Canleo is slower and easier to hit than Cotto, but younger and tougher, but he’d still get slaughtered.Posted July 28, 2014 10:49 am
If GGG was from the states or was of the darker complexion he wouldn’t be getting the flak he is getting from a lot of these posters. He could go down to 154 and KO both Canelo and Mayweather in the same night and people would say that Mayweather was past his prime and Canelo was just hype.He could then on the next night to 160 and KO both Cotto and Kid Choco and people would say that Cotto beat a disabled Martinez and that Kid Choco was an unproven MW.He could then on the next night to 168 and KO both Carl F. and Ward and people would say that Carl is limited and past it and that Ward was sick or somebody drugged him.He could then on the next night to 175 and KO Stevenson & Kovalev and people would say they are both bums.Then he could go on to heavy weight and KO wlad Klit on the next night and people would say that Wlad has a glass jaw. Triple G will never measure up to these people because their bias has completely and utterly blinded them.Posted July 28, 2014 10:43 am
Boxtradamus making himself look even more childish LMFAO!!!Posted July 28, 2014 10:38 am
Canelo KTFO of Golovkin between 154lbs and 160lbs and I wouldn’t be surprised if “Zurdo” Ramirez did the same between 160lbs and 168lbs. Cotto is low-hanging fruit (in more ways than one). otherwise, the prime and dangerous comp is there. just like Canelo confirmed matchups that numerous dumbasses were insisting he was “avoiding”, Golovkin needs to do the same to establish his own elite credentials. opponents should also be careful to check the stuffing in his gloves, which Rosado claimed was tampered with before their bout. a claim that sanctioning bodies and assorted inspectors apparently disregarded as an “affinity”(?) to Team Golovkin.Posted July 28, 2014 10:11 am
To those making jokes about living with my mom. She is a great lady and I am blessed to still be welcome to live in her basement rent free. She is partly the reason I had time to hone my skills to become the greatest fight PROPHET ever born!!!!Posted July 28, 2014 10:10 am
Whatever, cotto spanks that dude. Cotto is undefeated as far as I’m concerned. With margarita he got tAgged w bricks. MAnny he was wt drained. Trout n Floyd he got robbed. Who has ggg faced? Besides Rosales they was all bums. Cotto got this.Posted July 28, 2014 10:09 am
“Some would say that the sport is protecting him as an affinity to ODH”(?). can somebody please translate that into plain English? “Vito” might want to finally learn how to speak and write proper English before citing lack of English-proficiency in others.Posted July 28, 2014 10:06 am
Very much reminds me of a peak Julio Caesar Chavez
Alvarez is to small to fight Golovkin at middle. LMFAO.Posted July 28, 2014 10:02 am
Golovkin is the best middleweight since Hagler. The way he cuts down the ring at such speed is great to watch, he doesn’t give his opponent any time at all. He is search and destroy!! A great fighter to watch and a boxing superstar now. I like his modesty outside the ring as well, he’s great for boxing.Posted July 28, 2014 10:01 am
Love watching Cotto, always brings it
But too many hard fights and miles on the clock to put up a fight with GGG now
Difference being Cotto after getting floored early would sadly bite on his gum shield and fight on
Hope Freddie does the right thing before he gets hurtPosted July 28, 2014 9:56 am
good point, but another just as valid point would be, what if Geale hadn’t connected with that punch and Golovkin hit Geale with full power? Geale was lucky, Golovkin lost some of power in his own punch even though it decked Geale and stopped the fight anyway. Geale would of been knocked out cold if that Golovkin punch was full power.Posted July 28, 2014 9:55 am
I like Cotto but agree w Anonymous…..GGG would spark him.Posted July 28, 2014 9:50 am
Cotto wouldn’t stand a single chance against Golovkin, he’d get utterly destroyed.Posted July 28, 2014 9:48 am
Boxtradamus still lives at home (in the basement) with his mummy!! hahahahaha what a loser.Posted July 28, 2014 9:47 am
Boxtradamus STFU and sweep Grandmomma’s basement before I sic LEFTHOOK on you, you slob!Posted July 28, 2014 9:46 am
The phone will ring, it will be GREATNESS calling. Will GGG answer the call? we all shall see.Posted July 28, 2014 9:40 am
PROMOTED CORRECTLY, with a GOOD undercard, Andre Ward vs GGG can be a BIG fight and a MONEY MAKER!Posted July 28, 2014 9:39 am
Golovkin wins by TKO 3 exactly as I PREDICTED. I am over my hang over and ready to CELEBRATE my spectacular pick all day long. I am the greatest fight PROPHET ever born!!!!Posted July 28, 2014 9:36 am
Ha posting under loomis…… nah still not convinced ggg is the real deal. Froch puts him to sleep with a cobra smart bomb down the pipe!!! Ggg has called cotto out,,, call froch out now he, s ready!!!!!!!!!!!Posted July 28, 2014 9:33 am
Cotto dispatches that fool in 6 rounds. Everybody knows boricuas are the most superior boxer punchers in the world. Just facts!Posted July 28, 2014 9:31 am
Geale didn’t pop back up because he got hit with a brick.Posted July 28, 2014 9:27 am
Viveks analysis of ggg is spot on. His promotional team need a big fight. Until he has beat Mayweather, Ward, Froch, Kessler, Alvarez, Cotto or a fighter of thier standing in the sport he can not ve considered to have the same status as them in the sport.Posted July 28, 2014 8:49 am
Canelo won’t wont go up to 160 even though he can’t make 154 and GGG wont go up to 168 because his power wont do that same damage in that division.Posted July 28, 2014 8:39 am
VADA all the way if I was fighting GGG or anyone else for that matter.Posted July 28, 2014 8:35 am
I just wonder what the result would have been had Geale turned over that right hand he landed on Glovkin just prior to him getting leveled. had that landed about 2 inches lower we may have had a different result. Not saying it would have mattered, but we’ll never know.Posted July 28, 2014 8:18 am
GGG will always lack that extra 10% appreciation he deserves/demands for one simple reason – he aint a good ol’ boy from the U S of A.
He isnt just a slugger, he has little nuances that elevate him above that, nuances only noticed if hailing from East or West coast one must assume…..Posted July 28, 2014 7:06 am
I see Cotto lying on his back after getting KO’d badly for the first time, not up on feet like Pacman fight.Posted July 28, 2014 6:51 am
On his worst day GGG beats Alvarez on his best day; in fact, I doubt that Alvarez wants any part of GGG.Posted July 28, 2014 6:14 am
Geale beat sturm (who was robbed against Oscar dh) beat mundine and Parker those are all “elite ” in middleweight devision for a long time yet when he faced ggg was ko’d for the first time!
Line me up !!Posted July 28, 2014 5:36 am
Politically a Golovkin/ Cotto fight really has to happen, but I don’t see Cotto getting anything but a beating.
GGG is for real. He is probably one of the most thankful boxers in the game. Enjoy his time while you can. Banging . . . He is a minimalist. Pulev is a minimalist. He getting hit is probably not as bad as we think. Every subtle movement inside is to avoid a major hit. I think that is science at its best. You got to be a fool if you don’t enjoy his boxing.Posted July 28, 2014 5:05 am
I don`t think GGG “Takes one to give one” per se, in terms of being mindless.
But he is aggressive and he gets the opportunity to land his big shots because he has calmly worked his way into range, while keeping balance, and not missing the opportunity because he is jumping around unnecessarily.Posted July 28, 2014 5:02 am
EVERYONE TAKE NOTE.the new p4p king is in the house.Posted July 28, 2014 4:59 am
check him out.lolPosted July 28, 2014 4:57 am
Check him out!
I’d want the commission to check his blood & his gloves out in hopes of sending a mssg to all gullible band wagon jumpin’ fans! Check the HYPE out before its too late for an honest opponent……nothin’ wrong in that!Posted July 28, 2014 4:45 am
He is the goods and will fight accordingly when he fights guys with power. He isn’t silly, infact very very smart as a boxer. Can box, can fight and can whip any guy at 160.Posted July 28, 2014 4:31 am
Bo Bo Olson
GGG is the opposite build of some one doing steroids….actually sort of under built for modern days. Chavello jr. jaw?
He’s not perfect, he can be hit….I’ve seen a couple of his fights where his style reminded me of pure 1950’s fighters.
This last fight he used an occasional high guard more than the couple of fights I’d seen him in.Posted July 28, 2014 3:50 am