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Boxtradamus

Joseph Herron

Well which one is it, you flip-flopping big mouth?!! LOL”-OH don’t tell ME that MY Jester fooled YOU TOO. Lara is the Better Boxer but will LOSE by TWO blind MICE decision. Lara is one of the most difficult Boxers in the Sport to hit. Canelo is the FLASHIER puncher and sometimes FLASH defeats substance when it comes to people’s OPINIONS. People who put $2000 rims on a $1000 Car agree with ME on that.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:06 am”

I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted July 13, 2014 4:07 pm 


Boxtradamus

Seeing that I am CORRECT yet again Herron has DUCKED from the comment boards. Catching ME right after another WIN is like catching a CHAIN SAW. I’ll cut through YOU just like BUTTER. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born! !!!!!!!

Posted July 13, 2014 4:06 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“Canelo WON by TWO blind MICE decision just as I predicted! !!!!!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born! !!!!!!!”

NOPE. You predicted:

Boxtradamus
Canelo by CUBAN CRUSHING late stoppage!
Posted July 2, 2014 12:37 pm

Hmmmm, or did Boxtra$$wipe say:

Boxtradamus
Lara by School HOUSE decision.
Posted May 6, 2014 8:30 pm

Boxtradamus
Lara by SCHOOL HOUSE Decision.
Posted April 14, 2014 1:05 am

My, my, my! Nearly three months ago the real Boxtra$$wipe made the above predictions. And there was no other “Boxtradamus” making any other predictions on either of those two discussion threads.

Truly, Boxtra$$wipe should change his name to “FLIP-FLOP-ADAMUS.

Posted July 13, 2014 12:29 pm 


hibdeebibdee

BTW, there was only one blind mouse on the judging panel and that was the idiot that scored the fight 117-111 for Canelo.

Posted July 13, 2014 12:07 pm 


hibdeebibdee

Herron predicted Lara would actually beat Canelo but that Canelo would get the win because he landed what appeared to be the more effective consequential punches and because of this Herron said Canelo would win by “SD or MD.”

So you won’t be spanking anyone, Boxtra$$wipe.

Posted July 13, 2014 12:06 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“Nope. Herron got completely SCHOOLED yet again. I took Canelo by TWO blind MICE decision and I was CORRECT. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!”

NOPE. You predicted:

Boxtradamus
Canelo by CUBAN CRUSHING late stoppage!
Posted July 2, 2014 12:37 pm

Whoops! There it is!

Posted July 13, 2014 12:04 pm 


Boxtradamus

Nope. Herron got completely SCHOOLED yet again. I took Canelo by TWO blind MICE decision and I was CORRECT. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!

Posted July 13, 2014 1:12 am 


Boxtradamus

“That’s hilarious LEFTHOOK! I’d like to see that. Hahaahahahah!”-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! ! ME TOO!! Like I SAID. GOOD JOKES!! TOO bad that they don’t beat the FACTS. They DO over at Comedy Central though.

Posted July 10, 2014 2:15 am 


Boxtradamus

“I don’t have the inclination or time to dig for more, but I know there’s plenty of them”-But there are MUCH LESS than MY WINNERS.

Posted July 10, 2014 2:08 am 


hibdeebibdee

“you FLIP FLOP more than a fish out of water with an epileptic attack. LMFAO!”

LMF’NAO! That’s hilarious LEFTHOOK! I’d like to see that. Hahaahahahah!

Posted July 10, 2014 1:01 am 


hibdeebibdee

“It takes LESS than 5 minutes to post all of MY LOSERS. But it would take you 5 DAYS to post all of MY WINNERS. That’s why I’m the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born.”

LOL @ Boxtra$$wipe. I only posted SOME of your losers over a recent period of time. I don’t have the inclination or time to dig for more, but I know there’s plenty of them. You know it too.

Posted July 10, 2014 12:59 am 


BEARS

when canelo does woop lara your prediction will be wrong. your essentially calling a lara win but that he will be robbed by judging

Posted July 10, 2014 12:36 am 


Boxtradamus

WHO dares talk Boxing with the GREATEST??? LEFTHOOK had better move on to Comedy Central.com he’s already been severely SPANKED in the Boxing department. Resorting to high school level putdowns won’t change it. NEXT!!!

Posted July 10, 2014 12:05 am 


Boxtradamus

LMFAO!! JOKES are FUNNY but they cannot defeat the FACTS. Canelo by TWO blind MICE decision. And I WILL be taking a TOAST to it once again!! Personal attacks won’t stop ME!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! GOOD try though.

Posted July 10, 2014 12:02 am 


BUSTAJAY

Unless you been on fire , had a few monkey and three ex wives you not yet at the elite level of Richard.

Peace

Posted July 10, 2014 12:02 am 


LEFTHOOK

@Boxtradumas Listen up you idiot ’cause I’m only gonna say this once, we don’t know how many fkn winners you have picked because you FLIP FLOP more than a fish out of water with an epileptic attack. LMFAO! btw, it seems like I’ve been hurting your feelings. I’ve taken you out of your customary character, the proof’s in the pudding. I hit a nerve, huh? Your panties are showing. hahaha! I only talk boxing with men of INTEGRITY, which you fkn lack. When I see you own your sht I might lower my standards and allow you to talk boxing with ME, til then get some manly credibility! Now do granny a favor and go clean the basement!!

Posted July 9, 2014 11:40 pm 


Boxtradamus

“BTW Boxtra$$wipe, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, for confirming and qualifying my comments about why Angulo quit against Lara.”-Nope. THANK YOU for finally agreeing with ME.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:22 pm 


Boxtradamus

By the way Marquez was ROBBED vs. Bradley. Jabs are a MISMATCH vs. Power shots. Marquez should have come away with the WIN there. Either way that result does not compare to how many WINNERS I’ve had and will continue to have. Thousands of WINS made ME. A few LOSSES can’t break ME. And I’m 100% when I bet MY money. Every single time I bet I take in WINNINGS in Cash or by check. And I THANK them for doing business with ME.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:21 pm 


Boxtradamus

“EVERYTHING posted by “Making a Fool of Boxtradamus” is true and accurate. 100%”-But you left alot OUT. It takes LESS than 5 minutes to post all of MY LOSERS. But it would take you 5 DAYS to post all of MY WINNERS. That’s why I’m the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:15 pm 


EZ E

hibdeebibdee said:
No problem EZ E, but no, I wasn’t defending Peej’s comment about the thumb in the eye. I think Hunter was making up what he wanted to support Angulo’s quitting. Reality is that Lara just beat him up.

@Hibdee Cool!! And I agree about Hunter, which I was trying to point out to Peej. Peace!

Posted July 9, 2014 11:15 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Sorry Boxtradumas but you did sound dirty south but you still make me laugh”-Well I’m HAPPY to HEAR that I can still make you laugh with the FACTS. Thats why I’m the BEST. Some guys can only make you laugh with OPINIONS and IMAGINATION. The BEST guys can make you laugh by using FACTS. Richard Pryor agrees with ME on that.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:10 pm 


Boxtradamus

“my favorite fighters are ko artists.”-I like KO artists TOO but My favorite Fighters are the SKILLS and High Boxing IQ artists. Once they figure a guy out its like a snake with a mouse in its jaws. Its only a matter of TIME before its over. The competition is HELPLESS. Watching a HIGH SKILL level and High Boxing IQ Boxer perform his artistry is a thing of BEAUTY. Some of the BEST KO’s are the MENTAL KO’s. Rigo mentally KO’d Agbeko. When you stop trying to WIN then you’re mentally KO’d.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:08 pm 


Boxtradamus

“@BOXTRA Only a complete idiot like YOU would believe that one. Your make believe “jester” is only another one of your pre-fabricated Flip Flopping excuses you have to “exonerate” your coward hide. shhhheeeeccchh! Not even a ‘good try’ there loser!”-LMFAO!!! Someone get this guy a BRAIN transplant and then a book with some Boxing FACTS. You can’t teach anyone when their brain is NON existent.

Posted July 9, 2014 10:59 pm 


Boxtradamus

“@BOXTRA Oh, I almost “forgot” to say that the very same thing goes for those “other” 3 stooges you represent.”-OH I almost forgot to say that you are still a big DUMMY.

Posted July 9, 2014 10:57 pm 


Boxtradamus

“@No matter how hard you try to defend YOU and HER it still doesn’t change things, and I will continue to feel sorry for her, she and granny needs our prayers, whether you’re a ‘chip of the old block’ or not. She was totally unaware that she was giving birth to a life savings blood sucking leach that she eventually ABANDONED in her mom’s basement. You need ESB/us, where else do you have? It must be really fk’d up being you. You enjoy the attention you’re getting, no matter how you get it. You should thank us, offer to wash our cars, paint our houses, mow our lawns, sexual favors, some head… you flip flopping ingrate!”-LMFAO!! That’s alot of animosity there SIR. Are you OK??? Your handle is fairly new to ESB SO that would be STRANGE for you to have SO much animosity towards ONE anonymous poster. Therefore we can easily conclude that you must have a HISTORY with this guy. YOU must have been one of MY previous verbal SPANKING victims…..Well changing your name does not erase the TRUTH. IF I have verbally SPANKED you ONCE I can DO it AGAIN……From reading your posts its EASY for ME to SEE that I probably always SPANK you because you don’t have any Boxing FACTS to offer. Go take you a BOXING FACTS class SO that you can debate Boxing like the REST of US instead of being a HISSYBIBDEE and trying to debate about other POSTERS. That’s SISSYFIED…..IF you don’t have any Boxing FACTS you cannot defeat ME. IF you don’t have any Boxing points get OFF the site and log into TMZ.com. Your posts have NO place on the Boxing site. Go get you a Boxing point and then please try challenge ME again. On THIS site with no Boxing points you are EASILY defeated. I picked the WINNER last week, came onto the radio SHOW and SPANKED the host while YOU were probably at home throwing darts on the wall that has the posts that you kept from ME tormenting YOU with Boxing FACTS……at least that’s what it sounds like from your posts. All of your attention has nothing to DO with Boxing. It has to DO with ME. I would SAY that I AM IF I WAS but I AM NOT sorry for verbally SPANKING YOU. I will happily DO it AGAIN.

Posted July 9, 2014 10:56 pm 


BUSTAJAY

EZ E

@BUSTAJAY Good point in reference to ‘fouling’. A PERFECT example of “permissive” fouling is Behops. He just plainly got away with it as if the refs were too intimidated to deduct points. I remember how he FRAGRANTLY headbutted Winky Wright, causing a cut on the SIDE of his head. A TWO point deduction was definitely in order but… NOTHING. Shameful. He constantly got away with some excessive fouling, especially leading with his head, butting, low blows… you name it. All this with some of the most respected refs officiating. How many times was Chavez called for his low blows? Some are quick to point out fighters like Mares & Trinidad…, but they are little league compared to JCC, an ATG fighter nonetheless. But they were BODY PUNCHERS, a big difference from FRAGRANT foulers like Behops. Peace!

Posted July 9, 2014 9:59 am

Right on about BHOP…He is blessed with skills but still likes to use an elbow and head when in the ring.
He might also have a better elbow than Dusty Rhodes along with the Giant Headbutt.

Posted July 9, 2014 5:58 pm 


BEARS

my favorite fighters are ko artists. they already finish fights most my favorites. very high ko percentages. thats what the klitschkos have not orobkems gassin out. when your at the top of the record books in the heavyweight division you dont have problems son. afro haters on the white man like yourself have problems finding ways to detract.

in boxing they fought til there was a winner. its just a fact. deal with it. boxing would be better if they brought it back. it would be NO MORE RUNNING

hahahahahahah

Posted July 9, 2014 3:24 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“@Hibdee “Thumb in the eye” I was referring to PEEJ’s comment, which you seemed to be defending.”

No problem EZ E, but no, I wasn’t defending Peej’s comment about the thumb in the eye. I think Hunter was making up what he wanted to support Angulo’s quitting. Reality is that Lara just beat him up.

Posted July 9, 2014 3:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you have a problem with 12 round bouts now MEANWHILE you made excuses for your 2nd favorite HW fighter “Gassing” all the time in 6 rounds?? Wlad Klits?? You want to change the refs and adjust the rules whenever a boxer you favor does not cut the mustard… I seriously wonder if you are secretly 16 because garden variety retardation does not account for how transparent your agenda is…We have often cited the toughness of fighters who had to go 15 vs these tragic HW’s of today… Ken Norton was 35 banging away with Holmes, Hearns and Leonard and the list goes on… You have ALREADY decided that somehow Maidana is gonna get screwed by the ref during the impending rematch, WHAT kind of stance is that and how the hell do you support that beyond “fantasy”…. Maidana was allowed to do everything in the book last fight and he is ROUGH in all his fights as I expect him to be in the rematch… You simply CANNOT tolerate results that diverge from your inner dialogue…

Posted July 9, 2014 1:04 pm 


EZ E

@Hibdee “Thumb in the eye” I was referring to PEEJ’s comment, which you seemed to be defending. I wasn’t your’s per say. But I’m cool with your observation. Peace!

Posted July 9, 2014 12:03 pm 


EZ E

@Hibdee We’re cool, it’s all good. And yes, I meant Virgil Hunter, my bad. Peace!

Posted July 9, 2014 11:57 am 


hibdeebibdee

LOL! I mean Virgil Hunter.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:36 am 


hibdeebibdee

Peace to you too, EZ E. We are just debating and discussing. No need to get riled.

BTW, you said: “All that came later when sometimes any excuse will do, something Shields is known to be good at…”

Isn’t Virgil Hill Angulo’s trainer?

Peace.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:32 am 


hibdeebibdee

EZ E said: “Look, when Angulo turned his back there is nothing about him complaining about a “thumb” especially with THUMBLESS, gloves as you state…”

EZ E, when did I say anything about thumbs or thumbless gloves? You criticized me for not deciphering the essence of your post. Perhaps you should re-read mine.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:27 am 


LEFTHOOK

Boxtra said, “HA HA ON YOU and LEFT HOOK are 3-in-one just like YOU/CORRECTAMUNDO/Accubox “-LMFAO!!! Nope. You’re 3 in one just like MY personal Jester that fooled YOU and YOUR penny sized brain. I THANK MY Jester for exposing another DUMMY.”

@BOXTRA Only a complete idiot like YOU would believe that one. Your make believe “jester” is only another one of your pre-fabricated Flip Flopping excuses you have to “exonerate” your coward hide. shhhheeeeccchh! Not even a ‘good try’ there loser!

Posted July 9, 2014 11:26 am 


hibdeebibdee

BTW Boxtra$$wipe, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, for confirming and qualifying my comments about why Angulo quit against Lara.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:20 am 


hibdeebibdee

Here’s a little more proof for you:

On Bradley vs Marquez:

Boxtradamus
I’ve been saying it for YEARS and I continue to say it NOW. Marquez is simply TOO coordinated for Bradley is very inaccurate which is why he doesn’t score many KO’s other than his lack of punching power. Marquez is a precision puncher and that is the difference. Bradley has the better Defense which will keep him from getting knocked out but he’ll LOSE due to landing the LESS effective punches.
Posted October 10, 2013 8:09 pm

On Broner vs Maidana:

Boxtradamus
Broner will come away with the WIN.
Posted October 31, 2013 5:20 pm

“I already took Broner by STRENUOUS decision and I’ll be puffing on MY Victory Cigar to celebrate another WINNING prediction”

Boxtradamus
Breadking-I took Broner by STRENUOUS decision. Posted December 14, 2013 9:36 pm fter the bout.”

Posted July 9, 2014 11:18 am 


hibdeebibdee

LMFAO! at the fool who is now posting as “When YOU Try to Make a Fool out of GOATNESS you end UP making a Fool out of YOURSELF”

EVERYTHING posted by “Making a Fool of Boxtradamus” is true and accurate. 100%.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:16 am 


LEFTHOOK

@BOXTRA Oh, I almost “forgot” to say that the very same thing goes for those “other” 3 stooges you represent.

Posted July 9, 2014 11:13 am 


LEFTHOOK

@No matter how hard you try to defend YOU and HER it still doesn’t change things, and I will continue to feel sorry for her, she and granny needs our prayers, whether you’re a ‘chip of the old block’ or not. She was totally unaware that she was giving birth to a life savings blood sucking leach that she eventually ABANDONED in her mom’s basement. You need ESB/us, where else do you have? It must be really fk’d up being you. You enjoy the attention you’re getting, no matter how you get it. You should thank us, offer to wash our cars, paint our houses, mow our lawns, sexual favors, some head… you flip flopping ingrate!

Posted July 9, 2014 11:03 am 


Boxtradamus

“good morning to you, too!”-Good morning you big DUMMY.

Posted July 9, 2014 10:40 am 


Boxtradamus

“HA HA ON YOU and LEFT HOOK are 3-in-one just like YOU/CORRECTAMUNDO/Accubox “-LMFAO!!! Nope. You’re 3 in one just like MY personal Jester that fooled YOU and YOUR penny sized brain. I THANK MY Jester for exposing another DUMMY. LMFAO!!!

Posted July 9, 2014 10:38 am 


Boxtradamus

“FLIP FLOPPING just like the azz hole she gave birth to”-Nope. You’re flip flopping just like your penny sized brain does every time the WIND blows.

Posted July 9, 2014 10:35 am 


Boxtradamus

“LEFT HOOK I feel sorry for his mom.”-Well go take a FEELING SORRY class. YOU shouldn’t feel sorry for those who givve birth to GOATNESS. You should be feeling sorry for YOUR Mom who gave birth to a LOSER.

Posted July 9, 2014 10:32 am 


Boxtradamus

“Give it up, pal. You’re a FRAUD and will….bla bla bla bla”-WOW. What an imagination you have. You should go write a COMIC book.

Posted July 9, 2014 10:28 am 


EZ E

@BUSTAJAY Good point in reference to ‘fouling’. A PERFECT example of “permissive” fouling is Behops. He just plainly got away with it as if the refs were too intimidated to deduct points. I remember how he FRAGRANTLY headbutted Winky Wright, causing a cut on the SIDE of his head. A TWO point deduction was definitely in order but… NOTHING. Shameful. He constantly got away with some excessive fouling, especially leading with his head, butting, low blows… you name it. All this with some of the most respected refs officiating. How many times was Chavez called for his low blows? Some are quick to point out fighters like Mares & Trinidad…, but they are little league compared to JCC, an ATG fighter nonetheless. But they were BODY PUNCHERS, a big difference from FRAGRANT foulers like Behops. Peace!

Posted July 9, 2014 9:59 am 


shaq

Andrade is better then both of these guys…

Posted July 9, 2014 9:49 am 


BUSTAJAY

OMG
Joseph got the Boxtradumas voice down….HAHA
I am the greatest white trash ever born….Sorry Boxtradumas but you did sound dirty south but you still make me laugh….roll with it bru

This is too funny

Posted July 9, 2014 9:48 am 


te tumbo

“I’m done responding to Te Tumbo…” you never did but i sincerely Thank You. you’ve been an annoying distraction all along. back to Boxing.

Posted July 9, 2014 9:36 am 


te tumbo

Q-vo EZ E. i’m picking Canelo for the same reason but also including his performance v. Angulo. it’s simply not the profile of a fighter i would anticipate can defeat Canelo. in fact, i’m mildly surprised that he isn’t being describe as a “cherrypick” but considering that no other 154lbr is interested in responding to Canelo’s challenges, Lara may indeed be the best 154lbr available. i’m loooking forward to a Canelo showcase featuring breakaway talent and/or skills. if not, he’s simply not as good/great as billed. Paz y Respeto to EZ E.

Posted July 9, 2014 9:34 am 


BUSTAJAY

About a year ago I doubted Canelo….Felt like he was being pumped up to us fight fans but I no longer doubt the kid.

He is still young, full of talent and unlike some he does not side step the best in his class.

Posted July 9, 2014 9:16 am 


BUSTAJAY

Maidana always gets called a dirty fighter but never Floyd…..next to Dusty Rhodes, Floyd has the bionic elbow and forearm …..LOL

MAIDANA always getting broke up too soon on the inside. Go back and watch the Khan fight.

Posted July 9, 2014 9:09 am 


Anonymous

Boxtra You see.. me, HA HA ON YOU and LEFT HOOK are 3-in-one just like YOU/CORRECTAMUNDO/Accubox but aren’t a TRIO of Flip Flopping FRAUDS. And..a “good morning to you, too!

Posted July 9, 2014 8:06 am 


Anonymous

@HA HA ON YOU Prison? Fraud? Gee, now that partially explains things.

Posted July 9, 2014 7:59 am 


HA HA ON YOU

That’s his grandma’s dirty dusty basement he lives in. His mom is in prison for FRAUD!! He’s a real-life “chip off the old block”!!

Posted July 9, 2014 7:50 am 


LEFTHOOK

@LEFT HOOK I’m FLIP FLOPPING just like the azz hole she gave birth to. bwaaaaa-hahaha!

Posted July 9, 2014 7:41 am 


LEFTHOOK

Annoymous Well do you or don’t you feel sorry for her? Just asking.

Posted July 9, 2014 7:38 am 


Anonymous

@Annonymous Not me, this is all her fkin fault in the first place!

Posted July 9, 2014 7:35 am 


Anonymous

@LEFT HOOK I feel sorry for his mom.

Posted July 9, 2014 7:20 am 


LEFT HOOK

@When you try to bla, bla… Give it up, pal. You’re a FRAUD and will FOREVER be known as such on ESB no matter how much FOOLISH noise you make or whatever space on this site you RIDICULOUSLY take up. You’re nothing more than a FLIP FLOPPING fool. Boxtradamus, AccuBox, CORRECTMUNDO painfully know their feeble THREE-IN-ONE heart that it’s TRUE and will secretly AGREE with ME on this! It’s okay for you to continue to hide in your mom’s dirty dusty roach and vermin infested basement but be a good boy and take your annoying SIDESHOW somewhere else. The rest of the ESB family AGREE with ME.

Posted July 9, 2014 7:14 am 


BEARS

*should we be dealing with consistency in officiating? yes of course

Posted July 9, 2014 3:38 am 


BEARS

**smoger is still valuable guy interview for lots of reasons. there are questions i could think of to ask. but should would we be dealing with consistency if officiating? of course i do not think its even debatable. we have to demand integrity in any sport as fans. EVERY major sport has replay and most have multiple officials. one more is not asking much

Posted July 9, 2014 3:23 am 


BEARS

i couldnt give a sh!t less about the whims of a ref. fouls are fouls. this is a sport not a game of how officious is grandpa smoger gonna be tonight. the very idea of implied inconsistency in sport/in boxing in officiating is insulting and revolting

Posted July 9, 2014 2:45 am 


BEARS

they changed the game of boxing for wimps right boxtra?

added 12 round limits so we could have runners who hardly “fight” like boxing was inntended. “fight” til there is a winner. not runntil the clock stops. lol phukn joke

Posted July 9, 2014 2:37 am 


BEARS

a refs subjectivity should have zero say in a fight. you dont let fouls go simple as that. the same officiating expectations should be there for every fight. just like mma

the judging is more consistent there as well and u have best matches being made because there are no promoters and there is one title

best formula for the fans there

Posted July 9, 2014 2:35 am 


When YOU Try to Make a Fool out of GOATNESS you end UP making a Fool out of YOURSELF

“Why, I think it’s just wonderful that you are so proud of being a security guard at a multi-level parking garage.”-Well thats why they don’t PAY you for THINKING. IF they DID then they WILL be asking for a refund because your thinking SKILLS are POOR. Next time learn how to think above your OWN limitations.

Posted July 9, 2014 1:54 am 


When YOU Try to Make a Fool out of GOATNESS you end UP making a Fool out of YOURSELF

“Please quote Angulo and/or Hunter saying Angulo quit because he knew he was going to lose. You CAN’T.”-Well thats why they SAY that ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS. Therefore the Fight tape speaks louder than Angulo and Hunter’s quotes anyway. SO their quotes are not needed here. Angulo’s ACTIONS SAID it all. You NUMBSKULL.

Posted July 9, 2014 1:49 am 


When YOU Try to Make a Fool out of GOATNESS you end UP making a Fool out of YOURSELF

“NO. He quit because he couldn’t take anymore punishment.”-Which means that he KNEW that he was not go going to make it to the Finish line DUMB DUMB. IF you KNOW that you can’t make it to the Finish line then you KNOW that you’re going to LOSE. Every out of shape person that enrolls in the marathon agrees with ME on that.

Posted July 9, 2014 1:46 am 


When YOU Try to Make a Fool out of GOATNESS you end UP making a Fool out of YOURSELF

Nope. Every capable reader knows that I took Rios as a JOKE over Pacquiao. Rios was #0 P4P vs a Top 10 P4Per. Thats TOO predictable SO I tried to add intrigue. The PPV numbers say that it didn’t work. Everyone still KNEW Pacquiao was going to WIN. Including ME. ….Rigo took MY advice as I advised to and therefore MY man is the guy that takes MY advice. I was CORRECT yet again. 3 other four Fights where I did not pick the WINNER are NO comparison to all of the WINNERS that I DID pick. I am not the PERFECT Fight Prophet I am just the GREATEST. That means that I am BETTER at picking the WINNER than every human that ever walked the Planet.

Posted July 9, 2014 1:40 am 


Joseph Herron

Bears: “we need a second official ringside watching all views of the fight and replays and mic’ed up tothe controlling the action. they need to be able to review and even over turn calls where neccessary. no reason for boxing to be both poorly and inconstently officiated. officiating needs more integrity.”

Please expound on a specific scenario where this would be effective. If you’re referring to a judgment call regarding whether or not a cut or injury is caused by a “headbutt” or “punch”…how often to refs get that wrong with serious consequences?

it’s a non issue.

I address issues of that nature all of the time on the show.

Every referee, just like a ringside judge, has their own respective style as to how officious they will be throughout the course of a prizefight…I addressed that with Steve Smoger this evening.

Posted July 9, 2014 1:11 am 


Joseph Herron

correction: “without being overtly negative”

Posted July 9, 2014 1:05 am 


Joseph Herron

Bears: “for sure those other aspects need discussed every bit as much as the fighters. boxing needs ushered into this century now.”

That’s how I know who truly reads my posts or listens to my show…anyone who does realizes that we address all of those topics on a regular basis.

On tonight’s program, we featured matchmaker and promoter Don Chargin, referee Steve Smoger…several weeks ago we featured referee and ringside judge Pat Russell…but we interview these guys fairly with being overtly negative.

It’s a very subjective process…fight fans really should keep that in mind instead of automatically pointing at corruption.

I read fight fans consistently bash the scoring process in boxing but never offer any solutions to the ongoing dilemma…that’s my point, Bears.

In the words of Virgil Hunter: “If you can’t help, don’t hinder.”

Too many fall into the trap of thinking the overtly critical and negative approach is a more insightful and intelligent one…they’re wrong.

Posted July 9, 2014 1:04 am 


BEARS

joe- the refs, judging, and promoting influence boxing in countless ways. these are dimensions you never hear discussed yet every fan has been disgusted with all of them at some point.

i think its clear we need an overhaul in boxing officiating and we need consistency. its 2014 not the early 1900’s

we need a second official ringside watching all views of the fight and replays and mic’ed up tothe controlling the action. they need to be able to review and even over turn calls where neccessary. no reason for boxing to be both poorly and inconstently officiated. officiating needs more integrity.

we all know about the judgeds my god dude.

and promoters! how many of us were let down after stiverne won knowing don king had a control if a fraction of the heavyweight division again? promoters not doing business with other promoters (cold war), or al haymon cards like the PEDerson and garcia card.

for sure those other aspects need discussed every bit as much as the fighters. boxing needs ushered into this century now.

Posted July 9, 2014 12:48 am 


Joseph Herron

I’m done responding to Te Tumbo…it’s become obvious that he doesn’t want to discuss anything rationally with me about boxing…merely interested in exchanging insults…so I’m done with him. It’s a complete waste of time and has absolutely nothing to do with the sweet science.

I will continue to interact with any of the rational and sane fight fans who are interested in having insightful conversations about boxing.

Posted July 9, 2014 12:14 am 


EZ E

TUMBO! Q-vo!! I see that you’re ‘busy’ tonight so I wont interrupt. LOL! It’s all good. Can’t wait for Saturday night, hoping for a good one. I’m not really picking Canelo for what I saw in the Angulo fight. It’s because of what I’ve seen when reviewing Lara’s fights. Not saying that Lara can’t win but I don’t think that he will. Paz Carnal!

Posted July 8, 2014 11:54 pm 


EZ E

@Hibdee Well, it looks like you’re the one playing ‘mind reader’ now. Look, when Angulo turned his back there is nothing about him complaining about a “thumb” especially with THUMBLESS, gloves as you state. All that came later when sometimes any excuse will do, something Shields is known to be good at, besides his training talents. Just because he complained that Angulo wanted to continue vs Canelo doesn’t mean that it was a good idea to keep taking unnecessary punishment. When is a trainer making excuses for his fighter something new?? Anyway, I’m a LONG TIME Angulo fan, anybody who knows me can attest to that. I PUBLICLY wanted him to WIN vs Lara although I said that I believed he’d lose, just like I wanted him to whip Canelo in my heart but my head said he’d lose that one too. I PUBLICLY predicted that he’d overwhelm Kirkland, he came damn close but… no cigar. I’m Puerto Rican but wanted him to smash Kermit and he did!! In my observation & estimation he turned his back as a sign that his eye injury was just too much for him to continue, not dissing him for it, I’m not questioning his heart, I find no shame in what he did and PUBLICLY said so back then. Ask any fighter that’s been there before, but it was probably the best decision he’s ever made!! I said ‘basically” because I basically agreed on that portion of Tark’s allegations, NOT entirely. You read it the way YOU understood it, not exactly the way said it and even gave different types of “quitting” on another comment. I wasn’t coming down on “El Perro” in NO way, you can’t conceivably say that I was. Anyway, NO, I’m not a Mister Know It All, it was actually YOU that sarcastically called me a “mind reader” and got a bit sassy. I’ve been in this game for over 50 years at various levels with various levels of SUCCESSES and FAILURES, and yes, I’m STILL learning and will continue to do so. I helped take fighters to the top and stood with them when they faded. Some were grateful, others not, but I still LOVE this game. Anyway, when it comes to debating.. it’s all good. Peace to you, peace to all.

Posted July 8, 2014 11:39 pm 


te tumbo

“You really should start listening to the show…you would have a greater understanding of what I do and why I do it”. i’ve already watched and listened to several of your interviews. i’ve learned nothing. moreover, you refuse to answer any questions and instead respond with variations of “an ‘insider’ of my stature doesn’t entertain questions from the likes of you”. you really ought to listen/read yourself(?). you can come across as a real Dik when you don’t hear what you want or have no “insider” response to simple questions. i guess i’m just being “negative”(?) Orrr perhaps if you stopped fishing for validation we can finally talk BOXING.

Posted July 8, 2014 9:28 pm 


VICTOR GOLD = TARK

lol

Posted July 8, 2014 6:45 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo: “i agree. i’m missing something(?) but suit yourself. i’m ultimately here to talk boxing not shilling.”

Are you sure you’re a genuine fan of the sport? Because most of what is posted under your alias is predominately negative.

Hate to break this to you, but negativity doesn’t equate to a greater understanding of the sport…quite the contrary.

You really should start listening to the show…you would have a greater understanding of what I do and why I do it.

Posted July 8, 2014 6:25 pm 


TARK

hibdeebibdee says.., “Are you directing that comment to me Tark?”

To PEEJ.., He’s the idiot who wants to argue nonsense to death.. I never said WHY Angulo quit.. I never guessed WHAT he was thinking.. I said he quit knowing he would lose.

Sort of like quitting knowing you’re a boxer… not a huge revelation.

Posted July 8, 2014 6:22 pm 


te tumbo

according to Angulo, he turned his back anticipating that the ref was going to address Lara shoving a thumb in his eye. instead, the ref decided to immediately stop the fight. either because he assumed that Angulo must be quitting due tot he eye-injury or some other inexplicable reason. otherwise, Lara didn’t have a single round left. we were all standing expecting Angulo to lower the final boom before the opening bell to the 11th round. that’s how desperate Lara’s situation appeared at the moment of the sudden and completely unexpected stoppage. Btw, a plodding Angulo looked physically depleted the entire bout. if Lara had trouble containing that version of Angulo, he doesn’t stand a chance v. a thoroughly-hydrated and fiercely-determined Canelo.

Posted July 8, 2014 6:17 pm 


te tumbo

“anyone who listens to the show or truly reads the posts that I write understands what I do for the sport and why”(?). does that include investigating inexplicable scorecards? inexplicable refereeing? the unethical relationship between refs, judges, and promoters? otherwise, all i’ve read thus far is fluff-pieces and celebrity interviews that bolster the status-quo, which may certainly increase your coinage within the establishment but what does it do for the sport of Boxing? i agree. i’m missing something(?) but suit yourself. i’m ultimately here to talk boxing not shilling.

Posted July 8, 2014 6:00 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“ergo I said, “knowing he was going to lose” I didn’t say he quit so he would lose the fight, you idiot.”

Are you directing that comment to me Tark? Because I certainly didn’t say he quit “so” he would lose the fight. If you are directing that comment to me because I did type that, it was a typo. My response to your comments was “Angulo didn’t quit because he knew he was going to lose.”

Posted July 8, 2014 5:48 pm 


hibdeebibdee

EZ E you said: “thus by turning his back/quitting he accepts that he can’t take it anymore and accepts defeat. On THAT portion of TARK’s comment I agreed on.”

Well, here’s what I know, EZ E: This is the same man who cried when the ref stepped in and stopped his fight with Alvarez. This is the same man who said he was embarrassed about the stoppage and for letting down his fans. This is the same man who would NOT have quit had the ref not stopped the fight.

Please, DON’T even try to convince me or anyone else that at the time Angulo quit he was thinking that “he accepts defeat” at least not in the way you and Tark make it seem. Certainly Alfredo clearly accepts defeat when he stops fighting–what clearer signal is there? But, my money says he wasn’t thinking anything like that when he stopped fighting, and that he quit simply and only because he couldn’t take the pain and punishment anymore. Nothing else needs to be added.

You also said, “Maybe it’s YOU that couldn’t decipher the essence of my comment nor the entirety of it as well. Sometimes folks like you try too hard to impress on these boards that you… ahhh… try to pick ‘fights” with… hmmm… those you could actually learn from.”

I read your post twice. You agreed with Tark–“basically”–and that’s what I responded to. Besides that, I wasn’t picking a fight. And you know darn well I never call you out or try to make a confrontation with you.

However, I am VERY open to learning more about boxing any time and from anyone–if they demonstrate that they know what they are talking about. But, since you think you know so much about this issue, and because you have so many contacts within the profession (I say that with sincerity, not sarcasm), please, call Alfredo himself and/or Virgil Hunter and tell them you think Alfredo quit because he “accepted defeat” and/or “quit because he was going to lose” and then post on ESB the EXACT reply you got from Alfredo and/or Virgil.

I’m sorry man, I truly appreciate your experience and knowledge–as a boxer and otherwise–but Alfredo deserves better.

Posted July 8, 2014 5:42 pm 


SMH

I rewatched the Lara/Angulo fight. I gave Angulo 2 rds in that fight, and those were the 2 rds in which he knocked Lara down. The fight really looked like an easy fight for Lara. I think Lara got tired in that fight and I didn’t see other than the 2 knock dwns where was Lara hurt. He recovered easy from those knocks down to make it 10/9 rds in my opinion. What I did notice is that Lara is a small 154 fighter. Canelo is bigger bodied than Lara. Lara will have to box and keep Canelo thinking, and guessing. Canelo is a Bum like I said before.

Posted July 8, 2014 4:52 pm 


Victor Gold

TARK won’t need any excuses because Lara will spank Saul. When will this fact be drilled into your itty bitty brain?

Posted July 8, 2014 4:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Uh Oh, Tark has his EXCUSE all set if Lara loses!!! It will be sparring that Tark has NOT even seen nor has first hand knowledge of…. I see this coming a mile away

Posted July 8, 2014 4:10 pm 


TARK

…”Erislandy was guilty of doing more than he had to during sparring”

If you have 4 or 5 great sparring partners… the temptation is always to box more rounds than optimum. I’ve see guys spar 12 rounds — even 15 rounds. Is that really the best thing for your body? Is that going to build your skills faster? … What’s too much?

You want very high QUALITY sparring… 8 or 10 rounds should be enough. You don’t need to spar with everybody every day. They can spar with each other to finish off their workout.

Posted July 8, 2014 4:01 pm 


TARK

What I think is interesting.., The highest weight Sergio Martinez rehydrated to as a middleweight is 168.

The highest weight Canelo Alvarez rehydrated to after weighing in at 154 is 172.

The highest weight Chavez Jr rehydrated to after weighing in at 160? … 180.

Posted July 8, 2014 3:50 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Erislandy was guilty of doing more than he had to during sparring while preparing in Vegas, and Ronnie is worried about that transcending into the fight.” – Joseph, what does he mean by “doing more than he had to?” More rounds or more brawling or something else?

Posted July 8, 2014 3:46 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“I truly believe Canelo will either elect to stay in the pocket throughout the great majority of the fight or actually move laterally and force Lara into taking the lead.” – Agree with Joseph. I rewatched Canelo vs Angulo last night and he showed some slicker defense than usual and also started much faster than usual. I can see him doing the same fast start with Lara, getting a lead and then sitting on it. This would force Lara to lead if he expects to recoup points, which is always bad for the guy whose nature is to counter.

Posted July 8, 2014 3:42 pm 


Joseph Herron

LOL…nice try, Tumbo…anyone who listens to the show or truly reads the posts that I write understands what I do for the sport and why.

I’m not the one with the ego, brother

Posted July 8, 2014 3:32 pm 


TARK

PEEJ said Angulo seemed to be fighting Lara easily

My comment was Angulo was having such an easy time of it he quit…even knowing he would lose … That all.

Obviously he knew he was going to lose if he quit and that’s not the point.. He was having rough time in there with punches spearing him in the face.. That’s the point.. It wasn’t easy. I’m not trying to read his mind but he KNEW he was going to lose if he quit.

ergo I said, “knowing he was going to lose” I didn’t say he quit so he would lose the fight, you idiot.

Posted July 8, 2014 3:30 pm 


te tumbo

JOEY, every time you try and set yourself up above the passionate fight-fan, i will take you down a notch. after all, you are not necessary for the sport’s survival. fight-fans like myself are. in fact, we’ve been responsible for keeping the sport alive and reviving it’s hardcore popularity during the past couple of decades NOT “insiders” like yourself. your simply trying to ride the wave but name-dropping, cryptic responses, and know-it-all presumptions are not a service to the sport or its fans. Btw, none of my “attacks” are personal(?). i don’t even know who you are. however, when you subject your “insider” profile to public scrutiny you can’t expect automatic validation. that’s something you need to earn IF you truly care about the sport. otherwise, i can already tell that you’ve swept yourself off of your own feet and more power to you. unfortunately, your charm(?) doesn’t have much legs beyond your bathroom mirror . . . Saludos.

Posted July 8, 2014 3:21 pm 


Joseph Herron

I hope Canelo has improved in this area…from what I’ve heard, he’s been working on cutting off the ring and closing the distance…so we will see on Saturday night if we’ve improved in this area.

Posted July 8, 2014 3:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, AGAIN you always have a PRELOADED excuse ie “the ref won’t let Maidana fight inside” he did last time and Maidana STILL loss… You cannot be a Man and just say “I think Maidana will win” you have NO clue who the ref is gonna be, it might be Steve Smoger who will watch a guy get clubbed with a 2X4 before he stops a fight…

Posted July 8, 2014 3:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Yeah Bears, the fight was NOT boring to most people and that’s why we are having a rematch, Tony Weeks was VERY liberal with Maidana so you got your wish and Marcos STILL could not defeat Floyd and discussed in interviews how hard it was to catch him and hurt him with the power that stopped 31 pro boxers previously…AGAIN if these guys were better they would win, both Canelo and Maidana were 15 or more pounds heavier than Mayweather and still could not get the job done cause he is just TOO good, setting traps, counterpunching, slipping, rolling and feeding right hands… Boxing Brilliance

Posted July 8, 2014 2:58 pm 


SREDMOND

YES you were Bears because you predicted an Alvarez win that said you CANNOT prove that played any role in his loss… Its the MOST overused excuse in boxing today and it is borne of out guys desire to rehydrate and be physically comparable or BIGGER than their opposition… Canelo achieved his goal, he was 15 pounds heavier than Floyd fight night and 13 years younger, GREAT assets to exploit if he was truly the better man…What would you say if Mayweather was 13 years younger and 15 pounds heavier than his opponent? Poor Floyd? yeah right! AGAIN you are a FLIP FLOPPER/EXCUSE MAKER

Posted July 8, 2014 2:55 pm 


BEARS

boxing was not initially about not hitting and running the clock out. it was about hitting until someone could not take it anymore. thats original boxing son

Posted July 8, 2014 2:52 pm 


BEARS

i was never behind the 152 catchweight. i thought it was bs and offensive for many reasons not least of all the fact that fraud distinguished himself from pacman saying he would never do it and fighters are not at their best when they do. a unification below the weight of the titles is ridiculous to me but fraud had to have an advantage could not fight the kid at his best. speaks for itself. i was against that from day one and was outspoken about here at east side.

my forecast for maidana vs fraud and the ref? fraud and the ref win a boring fight where maidana is not allowed to close the gap and fight inside. the runner will run the clock out. nothin new

Posted July 8, 2014 2:50 pm 


BEARS

^^i have seen canelo rip nasty close quarter combos on many a victim. canelo even lunges in at times. can canelo be an effective aggressor? i think he can. and he sure as hell better be willin to try if thats what it takes or thats whats most effective.

u cant tell me canelo is not capable it comes down to willingness to be hit to hit your opponent better if thats whAts neccessary. a willingness to sacrifice to get some.

like keyshawn johnson always use to run routes to the middle of the field and get jacked up and helmet fly off and get up and do it again. that dude was a warrior wide receiver. most warrior i ever seen in a wide receiver.

Posted July 8, 2014 2:43 pm 


SREDMOND

(Lara is a better mover than Trout)

Posted July 8, 2014 2:40 pm 


SREDMOND

I pick Canelo to win but he is a MUCH better mover than Austin Trout who was pretty much moves in straight lines and cannot punch… Canelo is going to have to fight an intelligent pressure fight and force Lara to engage that is where his opportunities and heavier hands have the best chance of making him victor..

Posted July 8, 2014 2:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Canelo is a damn good fighter but he is NOT more “multidimensional” than Nonito Donaire who when he is not just slugging was FOTY in 2012… The dude was sparking guys division after division… Bears NEVER watched Donaire fight, his counterpunching is lethal when he is on top of his game…

Posted July 8, 2014 2:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, an example of you equivocating is saying that “you predict Maidana would win a rematch but corrupt refs will award the bout to Mayweather” a way of saying “Maidana will win but leaving yourself an OUT” instead of formally declaring that you think “Maidana will win” you were 100% behind Alvarez BEFORE the bout, you knew the terms of the bout ie it being fought at 152 pounds AFTER the bout you suddenly declare Canelo handicapped… AGAIN you always seek a get out of jail free card…. Tark also employs this strategy to make what are the equivalent of “two sided bets” He, like myself went with Martinez against Cotto, THEN after the bout he declares Cotto’s win merely a product of Martinez being somewhat infirm, AGAIN he knew Sergios history yet when he was on the wrong side of the result he FLIPPED and began peddling excuses… AGAIN have the STONES to make an unequivocal bet on one fighter or the other ie I think Canelo is going to win, I am NOT gonna come with all these variables that I cannot prove to mitigate a wrong pick should Lara win….

Posted July 8, 2014 2:35 pm 


Joseph Herron

Bears: “why!? we have historical evidence of what happens when slow flat footed angulo chases lara let alone canelo. plus your talking about a completely different fighter and style in donaire compared to canelo. canelo can close a gap lightning fast canelo is simply better and more multi dimensional than donaire.”

Alfredo Angulo is an effective aggressor…Canelo has never shown that he can cut off the ring and close distance effectively throughout his entire career.

He’s an explosive, pocket counter puncher…a lot like Juan Manuel Marquez.

This is ultimately why he chose to fight Floyd and Austin the way he did.

Don’t be shocked when you see him do the same against Lara

Posted July 8, 2014 2:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, when you learn to spell “equivocation” I will expound until then you’re known to vacillate and offer excuses by the bushel…

Posted July 8, 2014 2:29 pm 


BEARS

s “that said” redmond- can u give me an example of an equivication used by TARK or myself

although i like the escape hatch on the space pod analogy for its originality(what! i give credit where credits due!), i would liken these analysys’ to possible outcomes in the fight. i mean we are discussing all possibilities here not just making a plain jane simple forecast and going home

but still it is fun when people step out and offer a little forecast and go with their instincts on who the winner will be. it is more fun than thinking of all the possible outcomes. people wanna here a forecast in boxing not neccessarily teddy atlas saying if fighter A does this than he is having shrimp and caviar at his party and if fighter B does this its steak and lobster and a title.

its always funny how teddy says those little things in his keys to victory.

Posted July 8, 2014 2:17 pm 


BEARS

laras entire style is based on range/gap control. he has horrible in fighting ability like trout. trout was a perfect match up for lara. the way lara looked over all when a fighter the calibre of el perro angulo closed the gap was just horrible. his guard his striking he did not even tie up. it was like a malfunctioning cuban robot had no idea what to do when that gap got closed let alone effectively punch

Posted July 8, 2014 2:08 pm 


BEARS

“when this fight was announced i saw it playin out like donaire vs rigo with canelo chasing lara”

why!? we have historical evidence of what happens when slow flat footed angulo chases lara let alone canelo. plus your talking about a completely different fighter and style in donaire compared to canelo. canelo can close a gap lightning fast canelo is simply better and more multi dimensional than donaire.

the concern is canelo fights lara like he did trout and fraud. if he does i think he stands a good chance of loosing and gives lara the best chance of winning a kind of fight that may have lackluster rounds that are hard to score.

if canelos game is ripping single shots and counters and not closing the gap and getting brutal then lara may do better at that style of fight. its definetly the kind of fight lara wants and does best at like with trout.

the gap closers and aggressors have given him trouble and jacked him up and floored him.

donaire vs rigo was not even a bout i have considered and still i do not consider that outcome. i dont think that would ever happen to canelo

Posted July 8, 2014 2:01 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo: “i believe i know more about the situation than You do, which doesn’t surprise me.”

LOL…it doesn’t surprise me either that you “believe” you know more about the situation than I do.

Your posts and personal attacks against me have become comical, Tumbo…you should listen to both the Sunday and Tuesday night shows, brother…you might actually learn something new and become a more knowledgeable fight fan…LOL

You sound like a stooge consistently calling me out, neophyte.

In the immortal words of Triple G…”People know who is who”

Posted July 8, 2014 1:52 pm 


BEARS

sredmond please offer an example of an “equivication”

to the dude nobody ever heard of- yes i asked peej for his forecast, why not request substance where this is none.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:51 pm 


te tumbo

“I still have no idea why so many place so much emphasis on predictions…” i already posted that JOEY but feel free to frame it as an original bit of “inside” information you just learned from an experienced and informed fight-fan. even though anybody whose read my last few posts already knew it, courtesy of Me NOT You.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:34 pm 


te tumbo

“That’s what happened to Gamboa…he listened to the wrong people and made the wrong decision for his career” That’s-It, JOEY? That’s the “inside” scoop?!? i believe i know more about the situation than You do, which doesn’t surprise me. Btw, i don’t have the temperament of trying to ingratiate myself with others. i feel that others need to gain My respect, or Not. i have nothing to lose either way, which is why i analyze, predict, and challenge with impunity (jealous?). i’m interested in truth and the integrity of my favorite sport not my personal popularity. meanwhile, you need to kick it up a notch, Joey. self-declaring yourself to be an “insider” with no NO inside information to share is very weak. i got more information from online sources and gym-rats about the Rios v. Gamboa situation than you were unable to share in your last post, which translates into “i don’t really know why(?). your guess is as good as mine”.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:31 pm 


Tomato Can

SRED, lol that’s the fun part. I was talking about….

Posted July 8, 2014 1:23 pm 


SREDMOND

I never get upset when fights don’t go the way I though they would ESPECIALLY with early stage boxers who have not established their overall quality… That said Tomato Can you have been on quite the “roll”

Posted July 8, 2014 1:06 pm 


EZ E

Joseph Herron said:

SREDMOND: “I see Canelo booking the most impressive win of his career against Lara who is getting a lot of cred for handily beating Austin Trout who was coming off a loss and who the book his kind of out on now…”

How is he going to do it, Redmond? Please expound…

@HERRON hmmm… Although not directed to me but that’s a GOOD QUESTION. Both fighters will have to be at their best and, of course, execute their variations. “Variations”? Yes, variations. Canelo, being a more talented fighter than Angulo, just can’t “rip the page off” the part Angulo’s one dimensional style that worked fairly well for Angulo vs Lara and expect it to carry him to victory. Nor resort to the octopus style of Carlos Molina. The same goes if he goes overboard in emulating Martirosyan. Lara is too good to be taken by just pressure alone. Canelo will occasionally attempt to throw off Lara with some boxing skills of his own, force Lara to do some pressuring of his own, maybe more than Lara planned for. If Lara nullifies Canelo’s effective work to the body then stays out of harm’s way for the majority of the fight.. he will probably win. Interesting thought, did Haymon “sucker” Oscar into taking this fight? hmmm.. Anyway, still picking Canelo 7-5/8-4 over Lara, with a possibility of a knockdown. Peace!

Posted July 8, 2014 1:06 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tomato Can: “Predictions are a way of having a little fun. Nothing more, unless you’re out there making bets for every fight.”

That’s right, TC…try and remember that, guys…LOL

Posted July 8, 2014 1:04 pm 


Tomato Can

Predictions are a way of having a little fun. Nothing more, unless you’re out there making bets for every fight.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog, you just named at least TWO ways that Lara can lose the fight…FACT is that Lara stands an excellent chance of CLEARLY losing to Canelo, this is not a scenario where one guy is VETTED so strongly or so dominant that its inconceivable that he can lose… Lara is a very talented boxer, but if the wrong version of him shows up then he might get handled… I personally see this 65% going Canelos way but the Ring ultimately tells the story..

Posted July 8, 2014 12:43 pm 


Joseph Herron

correction: “would garner more respect” not respective

Posted July 8, 2014 12:36 pm 


Joseph Herron

I still have no idea why so many place so much emphasis on predictions…it doesn’t really showcase knowledge when choosing a winner or loser in the theater of the unexpected.

Anything can and often does happen in the ring.

It’s all in the analysis, guys

Posted July 8, 2014 12:35 pm 


Hecdog

Bears my friend, yes I picked Guerrero to beat Floyd and was wrong, but I’ve been fairly accurate on my picks ever since. Lara has all the skills and should beat Canelo. There are only two ways Lara loses this fight. One, he gets caught cold, which can happen to anyone or two, the fight goes to a decision, and unless Lara decisively beats Canelo, he will not get a decision victory. Lara has to stop Canelo or get a decisive clear UD. Canelo is GBP Cash Cow. He is the more popular fighter that is Mexico’s new boxing legend, and is slowly making the cross over with the fans in the USA. His second home is obviously Las Vegas, and he is a young fighter that has plenty years left to fight. GBP and Las Vegas need Canelo to fill those seats and bring in the cash. Lara must win a more than decisive victory or stoppage to win this fight. Austin Trout says pretty much the same. Just look at Mayweather, Las Vegas granted him wins against Castillo and Maidana, which in my humble opinion, he lost.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:32 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo: “you pundits and “experts” keep assuming the high-ground on these topics but don’t offer anything that your average fight-fan doesn’t know or can’t deduce on their own. you only need to watch the video-interview accompanying this article to figure that out.”

Thanks for watching, Tumbo…I’m glad your ego leads you to believe that you know more than two time world champion and budding fight promoter Jesse James Leija.

If you knew boxing like you actually think you do, your “insight” wouldn’t be confined to the comment boards on ESB, and would garner more respective among other posters…thanks for playing, Tumbo…LOL

Posted July 8, 2014 12:27 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo: “really? then what happened when Gamboa’s promoter served-up Rios on a silver platter with a garnish of $1 million for Gamboa to feast on? too much opinion and assumption from you JOEY.”

Nope…like it or not, Tumbo, I’m a boxing insider. You’re not. I’m privy to a lot of factors you aren’t, Tumbo…accept it, brother.

That doesn’t mean that you or any other fight fan on this forum doesn’t offer any insight or knowledge. But you don’t know everything…how could you? It takes tutelage and humility to achieve a greater understanding of the sport…two factors you don’t possess.

Going back to your point about the Gamboa/Rios situation…fighters will often make unwise decisions for their respective careers by listening to what most promoters refer to as “urban advisers”.

If a fighter surrounds himself with the wrong people, just as in the cases of Andre Dirrell, James Kirkland, and K-9 Bundrage, they will often make foolish and long term detrimental decisions for their respective careers.

That’s what happened to Gamboa…he listened to the wrong people and made the wrong decision for his career.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:17 pm 


EZ E

hibdeebibdee posted
“@PEEJ Well, TARK is basically correct on Angulo vs Lara. It’s not easy fighting with excruciating pain every time you get hit on an injured eye, especially when you’re not good defensively to begin with.”
Sorry EZ E, if anyone is correct it’s Peej.

@hibdeebibdee No, not a mind reader dude. I’m just saying that in my opinion Angulo quit because of the injury LARA inflicted and the punishment he was absorbing on it, thus by turning his back/quitting he accepts that he can’t take it anymore and accepts defeat. On THAT portion of TARK’s comment I agreed on. Maybe it’s YOU that couldn’t decipher the essence of my comment nor the entirety of it as well. Sometimes folks like you try too hard to impress on these boards that you… ahhh… try to pick ‘fights” with… hmmm… those you could actually learn from. Oh well, nuff said! Peace.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:12 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“I frequently feel as if i am cultivating “stupid” on these boards ”

You had best give up farming. :)

Posted July 8, 2014 11:59 am 


hibdeebibdee

” IF you can’t take anymore punishment and you KNOW you can’t avoid it then you KNOW you’re going to LOSE.”

But that’s not why Angulo quit. He quit because he couldn’t take any more punishment. Boxtra$$wipe, you can’t read Angulo’s mind any better than Tark or EZ E can. And their ability to do that is ZERO.

Posted July 8, 2014 11:56 am 


hibdeebibdee

“Because I didn’t choose to go into that field thats why….Nevertheless I’m successful in the field that I’m IN….”

Why, I think it’s just wonderful that you are so proud of being a security guard at a multi-level parking garage.

Posted July 8, 2014 11:53 am 


Making a Fool of Boxtradamus

“He quit because he KNEW he was going to LOSE.”

NO. He quit because he couldn’t take anymore punishment. Please quote Angulo and/or Hunter saying Angulo quit because he knew he was going to lose. You CAN’T.

Posted July 8, 2014 11:51 am 


Making a Fool of Boxtradamus

“Thats why I’m the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born and I always SPANK the best analysts. The analysts need to go take a PREDICTING class.”

Uh-huh. That’s why you picked Rios over Pacquiao, Donaire over Rigondeaux, Broner over Maidana, and Marquez over Bradley, right?

Did you predict Stevenson’s 1st round KO of Dawson? NO.

Did you predict Gonzalez’s 1st round KO of Mares? NO.
Did you pick Algieri to beat Provodnikov? NO.

Did you predict Kamegai would give Guerrero such a tough fight? NO.

Did you pick Malignaggi over Judah? NO.

What was your prediction for Mayweather/Maidana? “Floyd by Argentenian AGONIZING late stoppage” Did that happen? NO.

Oh such accuracy. NOT!

Posted July 8, 2014 11:49 am 


te tumbo

“I don’t know how to make you guys get the point but that’s it…you can’t help stupid, if you know what i mean.” I frequently feel as if i am cultivating “stupid” on these boards when i don’t spell-out every some of my posts for everyone to understand. otherwise, i think the lack of hunger and dedication that i’ve cited in previous posts already covers the lack of professional ambition or willingness to sacrifice that others cited afterwards. the context is obvious, the results are logical, and while there may be a need to spell-it-out for some, it’s no revelation for those who already get it. Get It, Stupid?

Posted July 8, 2014 11:18 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, ALWAYS claims to know what fighters are thinking ie the ONLY reason Mayweather is not buying out Kell Brook and facing Porter is that he is scared LMAO! Could not have a thing to do with 1.) Porter already having a fight booked, 2.) Porter not being easy to sell, 3.) Porter not being ready 4.)Porter not really being on Mayweathers radar… Tark takes his preference and imagines that Floyd sits there cowering with a picture of Shawn Porter on his mantle rushing toward retirement to avoid a guy who handed Paulie Malignaggi his 7th or 8th loss and 3rd stoppage… Mans a fool…

Posted July 8, 2014 11:14 am 


Boxtradamus

“Angulo didn’t quit because he thought he was going to lose or because he knew he couldn’t turn the fight around. He quit–as he clearly demonstrated by his actions–because he couldn’t take anymore punishment. Period.”-Exactly. He didn’t quit because he THOUGHT he was going to LOSE. He quit because he KNEW he was going to LOSE. IF you can’t take anymore punishment and you KNOW you can’t avoid it then you KNOW you’re going to LOSE. He obviously didn’t quit against Canelo SO Lara is the more devastating puncher.

Posted July 8, 2014 11:13 am 


te tumbo

“Yuriorkis Gamboa…he wants desperately to become the biggest star in the sport…but unless you have a promoter who has the ability to get you those opportunities or is willing to get you those fight dates, it’s of little consequence”. really? then what happened when Gamboa’s promoter served-up Rios on a silver platter with a garnish of $1 million for Gamboa to feast on? too much opinion and assumption from you JOEY. let’s finally read a truly insightful backstory or insider anecdote that sheds light on why Gamboa bailed-out of a confirmed 135lb-title bout that ALso supports your promoter-based rationalization? you pundits and “experts” keep assuming the high-ground on these topics but don’t offer anything that your average fight-fan doesn’t know or can’t deduce on their own. you only need to watch the video-interview accompanying this article to figure that out. there was nothing mentioned that i didn’t know or deduce already. Btw, that was a Huuuuge mistake by Gamboa. a dehydrated and depleted Rios was ripe for the picking in his last bout at 135lbs. i guess that Gamboa wasn’t “desperate” enough(?).

Posted July 8, 2014 11:12 am 


Boxtradamus

“If you are such a genius Boxtra$$wipe, why aren’t you already a successful promoter with a huge stable of great fighters?”-Because I didn’t choose to go into that field thats why….Nevertheless I’m successful in the field that I’m IN….You never know. I might go into promoting later…IF not I’ll continue to SCHOOL those who ARE promoting from these boards. And IF they take MY advice they’ll reach new heights. Rigo and Marquez agree with ME on that

Posted July 8, 2014 11:07 am 


Boxtradamus

“Takes an idiot to know one”-YOU know yourself very WELL then.

Posted July 8, 2014 11:02 am 


hibdeebibdee

“@PEEJ Well, TARK is basically correct on Angulo vs Lara. It’s not easy fighting with excruciating pain every time you get hit on an injured eye, especially when you’re not good defensively to begin with.”

Sorry EZ E, if anyone is correct it’s Peej. And by your comment above you just qualified Peej’s arguments. Angulo didn’t quit because he thought he was going to lose or because he knew he couldn’t turn the fight around. He quit–as he clearly demonstrated by his actions–because he couldn’t take anymore punishment. Period. All other conjecture is bunk unless Tark and you are mind-readers.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:58 am 


hibdeebibdee

“@PEEJ Well, TARK is basically correct on Angulo vs Lara.”

No he isn’t EZ E and neither are you. How did you and Tark deduce that Angulo quit for the reaso n Tark said he did? Can you guys read his mind? You two actually have the balls to discredit Angulo’s gutsy performance by saying he quit because he knew he was going to lose and then you insinuate he just wanted to collect his paycheck?

Try to remember guys that Angulo quit in the 10th round, not the third or the fourth or the sixth. He fought most of the fight and gave it everything he had. But Lara had just hurt his left eye too badly and Angulo simply could not go on.

Prior to his fight with Lara, Alfredo had never quit. He’s a relentless bulldog in the ring and that’s why he’s “El Perro.”

For all of your and Tark’s boxing knowledge and experience, I truly believe you two are talking out your a$$es this time—with all due respect guys–but you are.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:51 am 


The Mad Scientist

Canelo Alvarez by unam dec

Posted July 8, 2014 10:46 am 


SREDMOND

Tark is ALREADY making excuses for Lara ie “Lara will have to be ALOT better than Floyd to beat Canelo” first of all Canelo has ALREADY suffered defeat at the hands of Mayweather and realistically TARK if you say that Lara is “Bigger and Stronger than Floyd” we know he is plenty younger.. You BOLSTER the idea that Mayweathers win was MORE impressive given Alvarez undefeated status unless Lara can beat Canelo pillar to post or stop him… AGAIN you are making EXCUSES before the fight started its simply an addiction for yourself and Bears at this point…

Posted July 8, 2014 10:46 am 


hibdeebibdee

Tark, first you say, “You don’t get it PEEJ.. He WASN’T in the fight anymore when he quit.. He KNEW he lost as soon as he quit.. The pain was greater than any chance he would possibly have of turning the fight around — so he quit.”

Then you say, “Angulo didn’t NEED the referee’s help to end the Lara fight.. He was hurt and he quit.. Not a big deal.. He DIDN’T want ANY MORE punches on that eye … and who can blame him??? NOBODY!!! … You have it 100% wrong”

You need to make up your mind Tark: Did Angulo quit because he knew he was going to lose anyways or did he quit because he was hurt and couldn’t take anymore punishment to his eye?

The CORRECT answer is Angulo quit because Lara beat him up. Angulo didn’t quit because he knew he was going to lose. He quit because he couldn’t take the shots to his eye anymore. He couldn’t take the pain. He couldn’t take the punishment.

And of course when he quit he knew he lost the fight–he stopped fighting, turned his back on his opponent and walked away!

Peej is correct: “He lost because Lara hit him with some punches that made his eye swell up. That is why he quit. That had nothing to do with him thinking he would lose. That is just ridiculous.”

There is no way in h*ll Angulo was thinking to himself: “Well there’s no way I’m going to turn this fight around so I’ll just quit.”

Lara beat him into submission and that’s that.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:43 am 


SREDMOND

Canelo was NOT parched NOR weight drained if he was BETTER than Floyd he should have parlayed his 15 pounds and 13 years into a WIN or a more competitive performance but alas he was in the ring with a fighter the likes of which he will likely NEVER see again….As for Lara you cannot be taken seriously Tark because if he LOSES you will DUMP him like you did Canelo OR you will start with a myriad of excuses as to why he did not win the fight… Lara is NOT on Mayweathers level he has NEVER proven that during his very short professional career, he is a very good young fighter but he is NOT intelligently compared to an ATG who has consistently gotten it done against guys FAR more talented than Molina, Vanes or Angulo… AGAIN you pick Lara but do you make that pick ABSENT equivocations or excuses or are you building and escape hatch on your space pod should Lara be soundly defeated or perhaps taken out?? Make the call

Posted July 8, 2014 10:43 am 


hibdeebibdee

“Give ME the Top 10 P4P Fighers in the World and I’ll have the Top Promotional company in the World. IF you can’t sell Rigo you need to go put on a DUNCE cap.”

If you are such a genius Boxtra$$wipe, why aren’t you already a successful promoter with a huge stable of great fighters?

Btw, no fool(s) in the world would give you anything because you wouldn’t know what to do with it once you had it. Actions speak louder than words: You are no promoter, you never have been one, and you never will be.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:35 am 


TARK

Sredmond.., “Lara is skilled and he can be very smooth, but he is NOT the reincarnation of Floyd”

No.. He’s bigger and stronger than Floyd. He can be more deadly and sharper with that left lead.. He can spear you from a greater distance. He can be harder to hit if you go by the Trout version.. Lara is lacking in pro experience … but he’s coming on strong.. He’s making massive strides.

Canelo may be 3 times as energetic as the parched and weight drained Canelo who faced Floyd… That means Lara will have to be a lot better than Floyd to beat him — because he’s facing a healthier version of Canelo.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:34 am 


SREDMOND

Joseph, primary difference I see with Trout vs Canelo (for Lara) is that Austin can’t punch and pretty much everyone knows that.. It was the difference in his bout with Alvarez, he often boxed well but his lack of ability to sting Canelo hurt him (in addition to that crazy open scoring)… Lara looked really good against Trout, I just see Alvarez strength being the deciding factor as this contest goes on, Lara has the better feet but Canelos chin and his power should get him over the hump.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:33 am 


hibdeebibdee

“sometimes FLASH defeats substance when it comes to people’s OPINIONS. People who put $2000 rims on a $1000 Car agree with ME on that.”

Takes an idiot to know one.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:29 am 


SREDMOND

Joseph Herron, my thought on this fight is that Lara is going to have to fight in order to give himself a chance to win he is not gonna be able to just pot shot Alvarez a few times per round and expect a “W” (will put himself in Canelos wheelhouse)…. Alvarez on the other hand has HEAVY hands I met a guy who sparred with him at the NYSC (New York Sports Club) he said Canelo hits like a 200 pound guy…I see Canelo hurting Lara, possibly scoring a KD and basically taking the fight out of him over 12 rounds..

Posted July 8, 2014 10:27 am 


Tomato Can

IMO, if Canelo elects to let Lara take the lead, he’ll get picked appart. He’ll do his best work in the pocket. In anycase this isn’t a slam dunk win for either fighter. I’m leaning towards a close Canelo win, but I could change my mind after the weigh-in. The thing about Lara, is he may have had some problems in fighters here and there, but he’s only struggeled against top opposition. And in each of those fights, he was anything but, overwhelmed… I don’t expect Canelo to overwhelm him either. But if he stays on the inside against Lara, he’ll win.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:18 am 


Joseph Herron

SREDMOND: “I see Canelo booking the most impressive win of his career against Lara who is getting a lot of cred for handily beating Austin Trout who was coming off a loss and who the book his kind of out on now…”

How is he going to do it, Redmond? Please expound…

Posted July 8, 2014 10:17 am 


Joseph Herron

Most of the Lara detractors are being way too critical, concerning his difficult and troubled outings.

Who has ever looked good against Carlos Molina and Vanes Martirosyan?

These are two gents who give everyone, and I mean everyone, fits in the ring, and it’s not an accurate indication of how good or bad you are as a prizefighter.

Styles make fights, and this style will tilt towards Lara if Canelo attempts to adopt the role of aggressor…Canelo has never been an effective aggressor and will get picked apart if he attempts to unwisely pursue the fleet footed Cuban fighter for twelve rounds.

He has to mix strategies, just as he did against Austin Trout and show Lara different looks, angles, and distances.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:15 am 


Joseph Herron

Thanks for the comments, EZE…much appreciated!!

Posted July 8, 2014 10:09 am 


SREDMOND

The thing I would ask is can posters Actually make a pick and NOT have equivocations and excuses when the bout his OVER? Tark, Bears and the other postfight flip floppers is this remotely possible? I say Canelo gets the win, if Lara wins I am not gonna drone on about my perception of Alvarez at the weigh in… Can you nuts do the same? I know Tark is going for Lara that means NO EXCUSES if he loses ie “the ref let Canelo fight on the inside”…. Radical concept for some but I wanted to throw that out there.

Posted July 8, 2014 10:01 am 


SREDMOND

Lara is being SERIOUSLY overrated vs Canelo by some posters and fans.. He is skilled and he can be very smooth but he is NOT the reincarnation of Floyd Mayweather Jr or his career would reflect his overall dominance… I remember his very unimpressive and lackluster performance against Vanes Martirosyan, his tough moments with Angulo.. Again Lara can fight and if you are not careful he can upset the apple cart but he is certainly NOT out of Canelos league and he does NOT have otherworldly handspeed the way some are trying to sell… Alvarez has been unfairly downgraded by some because Floyd Mayweather took him to school, well he is in GOOD company in that regard and he tried to do a number of things right in that bout he was simply the usual step behind Floyd and too slow to abandon boxing and sell out while trying to get to FMJ’s rib cage…. I see Canelo booking the most impressive win of his career against Lara who is getting a lot of cred for handily beating Austin Trout who was coming off a loss and who the book his kind of out on now…

Posted July 8, 2014 9:53 am 


EZ E

HERRON hmmm… Your analysis of the fight does have valid points. When Canelo vs Lara was announced. in trying to assess the fight became a bit difficult when I took into consideration Lara’s inconsistencies/hot & cold performances. Many compare their wins over Trout. Both were two completely different styles for Trout. Lara has struggled a bit against assorted styles & opponents. Aside from the Floyd fight there’s not too much negative things to point out about Canelo, quite the contrary in reference to Lara. Yes, Lara looked rather impeccable Trout, who might be a bit overrated due to his highly publicized upset win over a lackluster looking Cotto, his only true claim to fame. Anyway, after tabulating the pluses & minuses of both fighters, grit, determination, general attributes… ahhh…. I’m going with Canelo 7-5, possibly scoring a knockdown in the process. By the way, fine show. Peace!

Posted July 8, 2014 9:35 am 


trainutz

LOL @ Bears reminding everyone that PEEJ’s post have no substance etc…… Then in the same post asking PEEJ his forecast on this fight.

Posted July 8, 2014 9:31 am 


Joseph Herron

Instead of moving laterally, I meant to state that Canelo will actually been seen retreating many times throughout this fight, forcing Lara to take the lead.

Posted July 8, 2014 8:19 am 


Joseph Herron

When this fight was first announced, I saw this bout playing out like Rigo/Donaire…with Canelo assuming the role of the big punching, ineffective aggressor and Lara being the counterpunching sharp shooter.

But now that we’re in the week of the fight, I truly believe Canelo will either elect to stay in the pocket throughout the great majority of the fight or actually move laterally and force Lara into taking the lead.

What do you guys think?

Posted July 8, 2014 8:18 am 


EZ E

@PEEJ Well, TARK is basically correct on Angulo vs Lara. It’s not easy fighting with excruciating pain every time you get hit on an injured eye, especially when you’re not good defensively to begin with. The concept of fighters ‘quitting” can confuse some folks. Sometimes there’s a thin line that defines ‘quiting’. Fighters quit for various reasons: (1) Because of a true injury (2) Fighters that quit faking an injury. Allow me to add that I still find it hard to believe that Bhops’ was injured in vs Dawson 1 (3) Finding themselves hopelessly behind and taking too much punishment (4) Find themselves gassed out, taking too much punishment and decide to fight another day like Cotto vs Margarito 1 (5) Mentally defeated like Duran vs Leonard 2 (6) Willing fighters that get calls from a promoters in need of a low risk last minute sub for one of his headliners to bail him out. The out of shape late sub agrees, comes bouncing down the isle with TWO things on his mind, QUITTING & GETTING PAID. He comes out swinging in the initial round or two, gets tapped and refuses to get up from the canvas until the ref counts TEN! How many times have we seen that QUITTING scenario? Too many. These are only a few examples of quitting. Another thing about ‘quitting’ is that once you’ve done it before it becomes easier to do it a 2nd time, eg: Vic Ortiz, Acelino Freitas, Tor Hamer, Andy Golota and quite a few others. Peace to all!

Posted July 8, 2014 7:44 am 


Tomato Can

I would say Lara faced a better version of Angulo than Canelo. Still Lara/Angulo was one sided until the later rounds. Lara also really seemed to lose focus which caused him to get caught with a couple of big left hooks from Angulo. Lara can’t afford to let that happen against Canelo….

Posted July 8, 2014 7:42 am 


TARK

PEEJ says.., “Angulo was very much in the fight … But no way in Angulos mind was oh I am losing and no longer in the fight, I am going to quit. If that was the case he would of also quit against Canelo which didn’t happen.”

You don’t get it PEEJ.. He WASN’T in the fight anymore when he quit.. He KNEW he lost as soon as he quit.. The pain was greater than any chance he would possibly have of turning the fight around — so he quit.

Canelo didn’t hurt Angulo as badly.. Therefore Angulo wanted to KEEP TRYING in that fight.. but the referee ruled him OUT!!!

Angulo didn’t NEED the referee’s help to end the Lara fight.. He was hurt and he quit.. Not a big deal.. He DIDN’T want ANY MORE punches on that eye … and who can blame him??? NOBODY!!! … You have it 100% wrong

Posted July 8, 2014 3:42 am 


BEARS

i liked how leighja brought up maidana vs fraud mentioning scoring than moments later said this is the pros its not pitty pat your punches need to count. i totally agree this is not a game touches its a fight game of strikes.

i do not only want canelo to win because he is one of my favorites but because i want his style to win as well over the runner. there is more to this in boxing fandom than canelo vs lara

this is a fireworks style vs a runner slick boxer

canelo needs to be able to let the gap closing brawler street fighter out. we have two of the best reps of these styles. i think canelos style has more depth and diversity

i hope he has success with his lunging shots like the beauties he nailed angulo to the body with. like the beauty he dropped trout with.

canelo can close a gap LIGHTNING FAST. once he is in there it must be BEAST MODE. punches in bunches. the canelo combos and brutality we know and love

Posted July 8, 2014 3:23 am 


BEARS

*about a non boxing related topic

Posted July 8, 2014 3:15 am 


BEARS

east side reminder:

peej your posts have very little substance

i would rather read a TARK post about a non bixing related tooic than see your garbage litter up the thread.

and peej if u have a forecast for this fight what is it?

Posted July 8, 2014 3:15 am 


BEARS

Lara is a bad dude no doubt about it and he could possibly win.

I mean this is the ABSOLUTE best matchup at the weight.

It is awesome that both these guys are taking this fight and so many of us have wanted this bout made for a very long time.

LETS GO CANELO!!!! BEAST MODE!!!!

Posted July 8, 2014 3:12 am 


PEEJ

I ment to say Angulo was able to find Lara easily. Either way Angulo did not quit because he thought he was gonna lose. You said

So easily he quit… knowing he would lose the fight.

Which is a bogus statement. Angulo was very much in the fight and like I said looked to on the way to a KO. He got hit with good punches and his eye swelled up. But no way in Angulos mind was oh I am losing and no longer in the fight, I am going to quit. If that was the case he would of also quit against Canelo which didn’t happen.

Posted July 8, 2014 2:58 am 


TARK

Right.., You can’t fix stupid… SCHEEEEEEEEESSCHHH

Posted July 8, 2014 2:57 am 


TARK

PEEJ, you said.., “Angulo seemed to fight Lara pretty easily.”

I said he was fighting him so easily that he quit, knowing he’d lose… In other words PEEJ, the fight was so TOUGH for Angulo he was FORCED to QUIT!!!! It wasn’t going pretty easily for him after all.

When you’re getting hit as much as Angulo did, it’s NOT going easily.

Posted July 8, 2014 2:54 am 


Joseph Herron

largo: “I don’t know how to make you guys get the point but that’s it…you can’t help stupid, if you know what i mean.”

You’re connecting the dots and formulating the wrong picture, brother…I already know this to be true

Posted July 8, 2014 2:20 am 


BEARS

shaw lowered his shoulder and drove to the hoop. he plowed wladay divak of the kings into the post. dudes should have been wearin football pads with what shaq was bein allowed to do. GARBAGE

and still the most poorly officiated sport in the world

Posted July 8, 2014 2:13 am 


BEARS

“round limits”**

Posted July 8, 2014 2:11 am 


BEARS

hecdog thought guerrero was gonna beat fraud may by divine intervention. lol

Posted July 8, 2014 2:10 am 


BEARS

boxing did not have round likits at the beginning. they had to “change the game”

for sissies

Posted July 8, 2014 2:09 am 


Hecdog

Gentlemen, Lara is going to surprise a lot of people. Canelo is going to get hit a lot and maybe even dropped a few times. Lara is a much better technical fighter than Canelo. He doesn’t telegraph his punches like Canelo. He has excellent timing and reflexes, and his punches are accurate. Canelo loads up and is a counter puncher. He’s not a Julio Cesar Sr type body puncher that likes to fight inside, which is the style that would beat Lara. Canelo has his head up in the air, tries to counter with his left hook and loses steam in the mid to later rounds. He will have problems with the southpaw style. Austin trout said that Canelo is going to have a hard time hitting Lara. He’s fought them both, and he said that Lara hits harder than people think. He also dropped Trout. Unless Canelo catches him with one of those wide strong hooks, Lara is going to do some sharp shooting and pick Canelo apart.

Posted July 8, 2014 2:08 am 


Boxtradamus

OOPS forgot to change MY name back after SPANKING a poster on another thread.

Posted July 8, 2014 2:00 am 


I’m Boxtradamus the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born

Nope. Players flopped and they had to
wait until Shaq retired to outlaw it. Because without flopping Shaq was Unstoppable. Just as with 12 round limits Floyd is unbeatable.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:58 am 


BEARS

shaq charged and basketball is the most poorly and inconsistently officiated sport in the world. lol

Posted July 8, 2014 1:52 am 


Boxtradamus

“Throw mayweather into fights with no round limits. them brittle hands could not take the war every fight would be.”-When a guy MASTERS the game SO much that you need to change the rules to figure out a way to best him that’s called GOATNESS. Shaquille Oneal, Wilt Chamberlain, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar agree with ME on that.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:47 am 


Boxtradamus

Trout couldn’t hit Canelo but Lara can. SO what Trout couldn’t DO is irrelevant HERE. Trout is not in this bout. He’s on the SIDELINES. Lara will hit Canelo with the cleaner shots in the bout. Canelo’s flashy combinations with 4 grazing shots or flat out MISSES and one clean shot per 5 thrown will entertain the Judges enough though to give him the TWO blind MICE decision.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:42 am 


PEEJ

Sticking with Canelo by late round stoppage or decision. I guess if Lara is to far down on the score cards he may quit to huh

Posted July 8, 2014 1:41 am 


BEARS

this dummy thinks mayweather sells fights because of his “fighting style”

what a dense phuk

Posted July 8, 2014 1:37 am 


BEARS

canelo has never had a poor showing outside of being boiled down to 152.

lara has multiple bad showings and a 50% ko percentage

he basically will have to run and try his best mayweather. an anticlimatic low action fight based on running on chasing

i do not think he will have any luck at it.

one guy has had luck with that style and turds like boxtradamus want to call it “goatness” GTFO.

Throw mayweather into fights with no round limits. them brittle hands could not take the war every fight would be.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:36 am 


Boxtradamus

Give ME the Top 10 P4P Fighers in the World and I’ll have the Top Promotional company in the World. IF you can’t sell Rigo you need to go put on a DUNCE cap.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:35 am 


BEARS

angulo had one of his best fights against lara. has nothing to be ashamed of. maybe did the most exposing that lara has ever been exposed. just had a freak injury. everyone watching that fight thought a stoppage win was very very possible after not just jaw jacking, not just one dumping.

but multiple chin checks and multiple trips to the canvas. lara’s jaw got JACKEC UP.

I think lara has improved or at least looked a lot better since. people keep touting trout but thats just not enough to go on i am sorry. trout could not hardly hit canelo from what i saw.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:33 am 


PEEJ

Tark that is a dumb response. He did not quit because he thought he would lose the fight. Heck he looked to be on his way to a knockout. He lost because Lara hit him with some punches that made his eye swell up. That is why he quit. That had nothing to do with him thinking he would lose. That is just ridiculous.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:33 am 


BEARS

its a canelo decision or a stoppage win for canelo.

LETS GO CANELO!!

Posted July 8, 2014 1:30 am 


TARK

PEEJ.., “Angulo seemed to fight Lara pretty easily”

So easily he quit… knowing he would lose the fight.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:28 am 


Boxtradamus

You need to find analysts that know how to promote the Sport. Get rid od SOURPUSSES like Larry Merchant. How he kept his job being as pessimistic as he was about GREATNESS was beyond belief. IF a guy was THAT pessimistic with MY customers about what I was selling I would FIRE him faster than he could blink. You have to be able to sell that SKILLS is greater than all action. You can sell the all action TOO. Just like the NBA and NFL sell the all star games. They just don’t sell it as serious competition. There’s room to promote BOTH. IF you don’t know how to sell the BEST Boxers on the Planet then go take a SALES class.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:26 am 


PEEJ

Angulo seemed to fight Lara pretty easily

Posted July 8, 2014 1:19 am 


PEEJ

I don’t think Top Rank is really promoting Rigo like they could. Heck they have said it themselves that they don’t like his style of fighting. No he is not pleasing to the eye of fans who want a brawl. For Gamboa he sort of brought his issues to himself. Him backing out of a fight with Rios, then signing with 50 who is a lousy promoter, has no pull in the boxing game nor does he have TV dates. That was another mistake by Gamboa

Posted July 8, 2014 1:18 am 


largo

“Look at a fighter as fan pleasing and talented as Yuriorkis Gamboa…he wants desperately to become the biggest star in the sport…”…that’s what you & te tumbo & TARK don’t get. The guy has been happy & satisfied-& his family-for some years now; Gamboa was game-because he’s game-but he was inactive for years & unnecessarily so…he squandered his prime because he could afford it $$$. I don’t know how to make you guys get the point but that’s it…you can’t help stupid, if you know what i mean.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:14 am 


TARK

Herron.., “Ronnie is worried about that transcending into the fight.”

I hate to hear a trainer talking negative, or voicing any doubts about such a big fight.. Such a massive and deserved opportunity for his boxer.. If the trainer isn’t confident something is wrong.. Especially after Lara had such a spectacularly masterful performance against Trout., You would expect Shields to be extremely positive – and the fact that he isn’t worries me.

He sounded more confident when Rodriquez fought Ward.. Rodriquez had was a huge underdog so very few if any knowledgeable people thought he would win.. Lara can win this fight with room to spare if he’s well prepared and his corner does a real good jab… If he not well prepared and the corner work doesn’t go well, he won’t win.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:08 am 


Boxtradamus

“Well which one is it, you flip-flopping big mouth?!! LOL”-OH don’t tell ME that MY Jester fooled YOU TOO. Lara is the Better Boxer but will LOSE by TWO blind MICE decision. Lara is one of the most difficult Boxers in the Sport to hit. Canelo is the FLASHIER puncher and sometimes FLASH defeats substance when it comes to people’s OPINIONS. People who put $2000 rims on a $1000 Car agree with ME on that.

Posted July 8, 2014 1:06 am 


Joseph Herron

largo: “in other words, so geniuses like Herron, te tumbo & TARK understand, it’s not that these guys can’t reach super-stardom; they have the talent to do it many times over. The thing is they lack ambition & the funny thing is Nobody can blame them.”

Interesting theory…but wrong.

Boxing is not like other sports in which an athlete can reach “super stardom” on accomplishments alone.

Most fighters don’t even understand this aspect of the business.

Look at a fighter as fan pleasing and talented as Yuriorkis Gamboa…he wants desperately to become the biggest star in the sport…but unless you have a promoter who has the ability to get you those opportunities or is willing to get you those fight dates, it’s of little consequence.

In Rigo’s case, Top Rank has the opportunities with HBO but the network brass doesn’t want to showcase him any further. He’s the co-main event to Zao Shiming for Pete’s sake!! LOL

HBO has the money to fund these events…when they don’t like a fighter or a match-up, there’s very little a promoter can do about it any longer in America.

Especially when the fighter in question isn’t a big ticket seller or an “all action” commodity.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:53 am 


Joseph Herron

Coach Ronnie realizes that Erislandy merely has to fight his fight to win…he was stating last night that Erislandy was guilty of doing more than he had to during sparring while preparing in Vegas, and Ronnie is worried about that transcending into the fight.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:44 am 


largo

in other words, so geniuses like Herron, te tumbo & TARK understand, it’s not that these guys can’t reach super-stardom; they have the talent to do it many times over. The thing is they lack ambition & the funny thing is Nobody can blame them.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:44 am 


largo

& I also explained the reason why that’s so…these guys grow in a country where they lack all the things that we take from granted in America; no 3 meals a day-hardly one a day if you’re lucky- no decent clothes, no access to education & the list goes on, so it’s easy to understand why a guy, coming from such an environment, is pleased & done after a few 100ks…

Posted July 8, 2014 12:37 am 


Joseph Herron

te tumbo: “TARK, who has Rigondeaux challenged in the talent-laden featherweight division? if you can’t name them, Rigondeaux isn’t trying hard enough, which explains his 13-0 record and 1-2 fighter per year activity level.”

Rigo’s a pound for pound talent and the recognized champ at 122…and still can’t get a fight. You know his situation is bad, when his promoter has the majority of big names at 126 and doesn’t want to pair him up with any of them.

It has nothing to do with calling out anyone…that’s not the way the business works.

Even though he’s one of the best fighters in boxing, he’s considered to be way too much risk for the reward. He’s not a ticket seller and doesn’t fight in a very fan pleasing style…guys like Martinez, Santa Cruz, Quigg, or Frampton don’t want to have anything to do with him.

No one wants to challenge Rigo for his titles and no one wants to accept his challenges in the higher weight divisions.

Look for Rigo to sign with Al Haymon after next week’s bout and try to put together a fight with Leo Santa Cruz in the future.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:35 am 


TARK

te tumbo says.., “TARK, who has Rigondeaux challenged in the talent-laden featherweight division?”

Donaire went to featherweight right away… Rigo beat him super impressively.

He’s got 2 very impressive people to beat in his own division… Carl Frampton and Leo Santa Cruz, who are both undefeated… Those fights will be HUGE!!!

Posted July 8, 2014 12:34 am 


largo

Gamboa didn’t fail because Crawford was a Mayweather type of talent; hell no. & neither did any other Cuban before him. I told you before, several times, & I’ll say it again, Cuban boxers has ZERO AMBITIONS & they’re satisfied & done after a couple of significant paydays…that’s it, that’s all there’s to it.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:26 am 


te tumbo

TARK, who has Rigondeaux challenged in the talent-laden featherweight division? if you can’t name them, Rigondeaux isn’t trying hard enough, which explains his 13-0 record and 1-2 fighter per year activity level.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:21 am 


TARK

@ hibdeebibdee… “I don’t recall Shields saying that.”

I quoted Herron on one, and heard shields make the remark about how Lara will be taking chances… which I think is really stupid for this particular fight.

I want to make it clear, Shields is a great trainer. I’m saying I’ve seen him really screw it up royally at times, which anyone can do.

I also heard Shields tell 10-1 favorite Vernon Forrest to “Make this a dog fight” against Ricardo Mayorga, and to drive Mayorga back.. For me, mixing with Mayorga wasn’t smart.. If you’re tall and thin you use your reach and range.

That’s not the way you fight Mayorga if you’re Forrest.. You move.. jab.. box.. box.. box.. and box, and tie him up.. RM was not that difficult to beat for a guy of Vernon’s caliber.

I also wasn’t cool with the tactical way Edwin Rodriquez approached the Ward fight.. He wasn’t ready to fight, and the game plan employed didn’t have a prayer in Hell.

You hurt your marketability if you throw a foul fest like that, to say nothing of the fact it could get you DQ’d.

Posted July 8, 2014 12:04 am 


te tumbo

SQUARED CIRCLE, excellent analysis. my only concern is that Canelo is a bit too confident in his technical ability. his desire to be recognized as a great boxer-puncher and not only puncher can compel him to think long and wrong at times. IMO, it was his primary flaw v. Mayweather and even v. Trout he was determined to box as much as punch. as long as he wins, he’ll remain the “smarter” fighter but he becomes particularly formidable and difficult to defeat when he charges out like v. Angulo. that’s the ferocity he needs to unleash on Lara starting in the third or fourth round and not relent until he drops and/or seriously hurts Lara. at that point, he can afford to outsmart what an intimidated Lara. otherwise, technically speaking, the advantage becomes Lara’s. it’s his specialty. that is the one aspect of the fight-game where an extensive amateur background does become apparent. Canelo needs to turn it into a pro-fight with professional ferocity not overly-technical proficiency.

Posted July 7, 2014 11:51 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, i wonder if Anselmo Moreno is still a viable opponent? haven’t seen or heard from him since he lost to Mares(?).

Posted July 7, 2014 11:42 pm 


te tumbo

“[Rigondeaux's] just having a very hard time getting opponents because he’s so damned good” you can’t make that claim without naming who he’s challenged. so out with it. who has Rigondeaux challenged in the talent-rich featherweight division? after all, his greatness isn’t going to be earned at bantam. meanwhile, Santa Cruz, Mares, Gonzalez, even Donaire await at 126lbs. WTF is Rigondeaux waiting for?

Posted July 7, 2014 11:39 pm 


PEEJ

Lara should of probably lost against Molina. But that was a boring fight so I didn’t score. He looked terrible against Vanes. He should of gotten the nod against Williams but he was also taking a lot of shots in that fight also.

Posted July 7, 2014 11:26 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“Not only about Lara doing more than he should have — but saying Lara will take chances to win.”

Tark, I don’t recall Shields saying either of those things. He did say Lara trains the same (trains very hard) for all fights because all of his fights are very important to him. Shields clearly said Lara “didn’t do anything extra” for this fight. Ronnie did briefly talk about Lara doing more than he needed to when training for strategy–in other words, more than Ronnie asked of him or expected of him or trained him to do–but that was in support of Ronnie’s comments and his and Joseph’s discussion about how the underdog in a fight is always expected to do more in order to win and how such expectations have affected Erislandy. I don’t recall Ronnie ever saying Lara would “take chances to win.”

Posted July 7, 2014 11:12 pm 


hookoffthejab

Leija vs Nelson were some great fights …… Carlos needs to get himself in the mix …. Or is that belt he won weighing him down ……….

Posted July 7, 2014 11:11 pm 


TARK

te tumbo.., “Lara’s a seasoned pro with a respectable ring-resume that includes impressive wins, disappointing losses”

Losses??? He has one BULLSHlT loss.

Now you’re going to say he has bullshlt wins too. Not really.

Posted July 7, 2014 11:06 pm 


TARK

Casamayor never beat a 5 Division World Champion like Nonito Donaire…

Rigondeaux is obviously much greater, and has a long way to go. He’s just having a very hard time getting opponents because he’s so damned good.

Posted July 7, 2014 11:03 pm 


TARK

The story of over-the-hill boxers goes way back — before Joe Louis… Bob Fitzsimmons… and Jem Mace

Mace boxed until he was 78 probably a record.

Posted July 7, 2014 10:58 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Tumbo, anyone who’s been a longterm fan of boxing knows Casamayor. He was a great champion at one time. I do agree he’s the best Cuban pro we’ve seen thus far. There’s been a much bigger exodus since he came in the 90s though so he could be eclipsed by either Lara or Rigo or another guy, but that’s a big maybe.

Posted July 7, 2014 10:48 pm 


Fight Aficionado

On a side note regarding Cuban pros, cruiserweight Yunier Dorticos (17-0, 17 KOs) an amateur star is fighting July 10 on Fox Sports 1. As a fan of KO artists I’ve been wanting to see him awhile and am excited about his TV debut. That’s the good news. Bad news is they’re throwing former middle weight contender Edison Miranda at him. Yup, Miranda’s now a fat punching bag who will surely be road kill here.

Posted July 7, 2014 10:44 pm 


te tumbo

EVERY Cuban fighter with an impressive amateur pedigree is touted as being a potentially (At-Least) ATG-pro in advance. going all the way back to the days of Teofilo Stevenson. thus far, Casamayor has progressed the farthest (do you remember who he was?) and even a Lara win v. Canelo won’t surpass him. Canelo’s barely a young champion himself. in fact, this mystique once extended to all former Eastern Bloc fighters with the Klitschkos becoming the nightmarish two-headed exception to the rule. otherwise, no other former Eastern Bloc fighter (Cuban or otherwise) has risen to enduring ATG heights but pundits and “experts” never stop predicting it, e.g., Rigondeaux, Lomachenko, Shiming, etc. but like i mentioned earlier, Lara has exceeded that threshold. he’s a seasoned pro with a respectable ring-resume that includes impressive wins, disappointing losses, and controversial (if not underwhelming) Draws. if he wasn’t Cuban, is that the profile of a fighter favored by some to defeat Canelo?

Posted July 7, 2014 10:21 pm 


D

nobody’s been looking for the great cuban that i’ve seen. especially not gamboa. people have been denouncing gamboa for years for getting decked about a dozen times and fighting 3rd raters.

Posted July 7, 2014 8:30 pm 


And

The Vasiline that’s rubbed on him. That has to be free of agents

Posted July 7, 2014 8:25 pm 


te tumbo

Lara only has to win a majority of rounds to win the bout on the scorecards. otherwise, foreign fighters raretly get the benefit of the doubt from American scorecards. besides, most American pundits and “experts” have been touting the arrival of an ATG Cuban pro since the cold-war years. they’re desperate to finally be proven correct after approximately 40 years of being conspicuously wrong. you detected this desperation during the Crawford v. Gamboa bout before Crawford began to demonstrate the difference between professional dedication and stale cold-war hype. i do think that Lara has crossed an important pro-threshold with his bouts v. Williams and Trout but i also notice the virtual absolution he receives when it comes to underwhelming peformances v. Molina or Vanes and startling shorcomings v. a plodding and depleted Angulo who still managed to deck him twice. LOTs of holes for Canelo to exploit v. Lara. he simply needs to not outsmart himself and remain focused on folding Lara at the waist.

Posted July 7, 2014 8:24 pm 


Plus

He needs to be refreshed with pure drinking water between rounds… not with water that has a seditive or something else in it.

Posted July 7, 2014 8:23 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

So Lara will have to win virtually every round and also not fall victim to incompetent or corrupt judging. Well, that’s boxing.

Posted July 7, 2014 8:08 pm 


TARK

Herron.., I feel that Lara is the far better boxer and will beat Canelo — but I’m not betting on the fight.. I have a weird feeling about this fight.. I’ve had that feeling all along.

I feel like the outcome could possibly be compromised. I hate a few of the negative comments Shields made about this fight so far. Not only about Lara doing more than he should have — but saying Lara will take chances to win.

The better boxer doesn’t have to take ANY chances. Lara didn’t have to take a single chance against Trout — he only had to put on a display of surpassing boxing mastery, which amazed just about everybody — given the close fight Trout fought with Canelo.

The goal against Canelo should be doing the exact same thing to Canelo that Lara did to Trout — only more so because Lara is one fight better and more experienced than he was for the Trout fight.

Lara needs to control the center of the ring… Use straight punches, jabs and straight lefts.. When Lara lands his straight shots well he should follow up, but he doesn’t need aggression.. And DON’T go leading with hooks or trading hooks.. Don’t go for body shots until you get very clear openings for those shots.

No chance taking — just put EVERY DAMNED ROUND into the bank.

I also had some HUGE misgivings about Shields’ comments before Forrest-Mayorga 1. Forrest was a 10-1 favorite.. I didn’t like Shields’ instructions to Forrest to force Mayorga backwards and make a dog fight out of it.. I hated the count Forrest got from referee Marty Denkin.

I didn’t make any bet on the fight, but had a sneaky suspicion Mayorga would win a shocking KO upset.

Posted July 7, 2014 7:57 pm 


Joseph Herron

You’re right bout Canelo not being an effective aggressor, TARK…that’s never been his forte in the ring.

He’s an offensive minded fighter, but Canelo has always been a pocket counterpuncher…a technically proficient one as well.

His creative combinations are really attractive and eye catching to the judges at ringside.

That’s the primary reason why I’m slightly favoring Canelo in this match-up.

Ronnie stated something very important on last night’s program…he said that Erislandy is aware that he will be the B-side on this Saturday night’s main event and would often do more than he had to or should have during sparring for this fight.

If he replicates that practice during the bout, it could present more opportunities for Canelo throughout the fight.

Lara will have to put forth a very special performance to win this fight.

Posted July 7, 2014 7:08 pm 


Anonymous

tark i’ve got some tasty recipes for older people over 75 years in care homes.

Posted July 7, 2014 6:42 pm 


TARK

Herron says.., “Rodney is absolutely correct…when a fighter combines speed with power he ultimately sacrifices punch volume.” Canelo takes his time anyway… He’s a boxer not an attacker.

But never say never… If no one ever did something – doesn’t mean no one will.

Most great boxers lets opportunity dictate the number of punches they throw. Guys Like Lomachenko and Rigondeaux use the whole ring. They make their opponent lead, use setup and decoy punches. They throw hard only when the percentages are with them. They hate to waste punches. They’re looking for solid connects.

In the amateurs over the last 15 years, the emphasis has been on solid, strong, effective punching that MORE than one judge picks up. To be brilliant in that environment you have to connect with authority – which Loma and Rigo were unsurpassed at doing.

Golovkin and Kovalev throw more… they throw harder… and they push the pace. They cut the ring off and attack constantly. They’re not simply looking to outbox you every second…but to knock you out.. I haven’t seen them sacrificing volume to date.. That’s why nobody wants to fight them.. Who combines masterful skills, volume, speed, power, and stamina? … Not many until these two guys came along.

I’m anxious to see that work against a great fighter, but we may see that happen.

I think Lomachenko’s style will evolve as he gets more pro experience.. He’s going to be transitioning for a while.. Once he gets his “pro legs” you’re going to see a machine.

Posted July 7, 2014 6:06 pm 


Blitz

Canelo wins tight but fair decision

Posted July 7, 2014 5:58 pm 


RAYGORDON REID

CANELO

Posted July 7, 2014 5:37 pm 


te tumbo

Leija was the designated steppingstone for Bojado’s title-run. probably fortunate for Bojado. the manner in which he lost would’ve only been magnified v. a prime and elite opponent. i watched that bout live and immediately noticed the change in Bojado’s demeanor once he noticed that Leija was not there to be stepped over even after being dropped early. his fatal lack of resilience and dedication was exposed by the shopworn veteran Leija.

Posted July 7, 2014 5:03 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“i wonder how many fight-fans know that the veteran and gatekeeper version of Leija derailed the once-promising career of Panchito Bojado”

Leija did. And that was near the end of Leija’s career in the ring.

Posted July 7, 2014 4:14 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“Lara should’ve lost to Carlos Molina who was coming off of a long layoff and was the designated stepping-stone going into that matchup. instead HE gave Lara difficult/unorthodox angles and pot-shotted him to what should’ve been a “W” for Molina”

No doubt. Even Teddy Atlas thought an upset was in the making and that Carlos would get the win. Interestingly, that was Lara’s sixth fight under trainer Ronnie Shields, but IMO Lara’s defense was terrible and he often looked like he had no answer–other than to cover up–for Molina’s assault. Carlos really fought a good, intelligent fight that evening.

Posted July 7, 2014 4:10 pm 


Anonymous

BEARS

^^why do you put “that said” in every other post? it is redundant as all hell and sounds retarded. when i see it i think “thats retarded” this cat knows no synonyms.

take an english composition class son. hooked on ebonics did not work for you

Posted July 7, 2014 2:46 pm

BEARS, why do you write, “son,” amongst other cliches in all of your posts?

Posted July 7, 2014 4:05 pm 


te tumbo

i can recall crossing party-paths with Bojado before that bout and thinking “that’s not the way you prepare for Leija”. Bojado had the talent but not the dedication, which is a shame. he was looking like a welter-version of prime Vargas before his neck and back was broke by Cheato’s loaded gloves.

Posted July 7, 2014 3:57 pm 


te tumbo

i wonder how many fight-fans know that the veteran and gatekeeper version of Leija derailed the once-promising career of Panchito Bojado. until that point, Bojado was in the company of Tszyu, Cotto, and Hatton at 140lbs but he never recovered from the lesson Leija managed to deliver on that fight-night.

Posted July 7, 2014 3:54 pm 


hibdeebibdee

Jeff Mayweather not so much. LOL!

Posted July 7, 2014 3:46 pm 


hibdeebibdee

One more thing: I wonder how many fans know that Leija fought De la Hoya, Mosley, Tszyu, Gatti, Nelson, Ward, Camacho Jr., Lazcano, and Jeff Mayweather? Talk about a great resume!

Posted July 7, 2014 3:46 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“but Rodney is absolutely correct…when a fighter combines speed with power he ultimately sacrifices punch volume.”

But Rodney didn’t say or allude to that. What Rodney said was, “…because traditionally, Canelo throws heavy punches, he doesn’t throw punches in volume.” This is not true. Throwing punches in combinations is throwing punches in volume, and Canelo does a lot of that.

Rodney also said, “Lara started having defensive lapse, and when he had those lapse, Angulo would catch him…” LOL. Dear Rodney, you mean “lapses” not “lapse” (Yes, I’m nitpicking but the man is being queried for his “expertise” so he should know how to use words properly.”

Posted July 7, 2014 3:35 pm 


LOL

you cant beat a good catch weight fight.

Posted July 7, 2014 3:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you are EASILY one of the DUMBEST posters on this website… Consistently tripping yourself up, offering POOR logic, terrible attempts at humor and GROSS inconsistencies… You say silly things like “Canelo losing to Mayweather was an aberration” it always looks unusual when a fighter loses for the first time…Using that as the standard all first time losses would be void because we are accustomed to seeing the fighter win.. Again I know this is WAY over your head, and the years you wasted working in the local plant trying to feed your brat robbed you of the benefits of a formal education.. Sad Sad Bear

Posted July 7, 2014 3:00 pm 


BEARS

^^why do you put “that said” in every other post? it is redundant as all hell and sounds retarded. when i see it i think “thats retarded” this cat knows no synonyms.

take an english composition class son. hooked on ebonics did not work for you

Posted July 7, 2014 2:46 pm 


SREDMOND

HappyBoy, I am BORED with excuses for Prime/Young fighters, some of the PUNKS on here will try and sell that Alvarez would have smashed Floyd if he only weighed 154 or 155 pounds which is NONSENSE… If a guy cannot make good on 13 years of youth and 15 pounds of muscle then he just could NOT cut it… I am personally going for Alvarez in the fight, that said if Lara bashes his face in I don’t care anything about his pre preparation or post fight reasons for not rising to the task…

Posted July 7, 2014 2:22 pm 


Happyboy

SRedmond – Are you saying the pound doesn’t matter?

Posted July 7, 2014 1:53 pm 


te tumbo

meanwhile, Rigondeaux is barely 13-0 and already settling into a two to one fight per year pace and is on-track to replicate Gamboa’s recent tumble from the ranks of pro-boxing’s elites followed by his tumble from the ranks of ACTIVE and HUNGRY (NOT Entitled) pro-fighters. at least Lara has gradually transitioned into a legitimate pro and has a few dog-fights to his credit. that should translate into maturity but i still maintain that it’s difficult for Cuban fighters to mentally abandon their regard for their own long-term health and safety. finely-tuned machines don’t take kindly to rugged off-roading adventures and will avoid them if they can, e.g., Carlos Molina.

Posted July 7, 2014 1:52 pm 


te tumbo

“both guys are essentially undefeated”. Lara should’ve lost to Carlos Molina who was coming off of a long layoff and was the designated stepping-stone going into that matchup. instead HE gave Lara difficult/unorthodox angles and pot-shotted him to what should’ve been a “W” for Molina. instead, the Cuban amateur “mystique” crap struck again. pundits and “experts” will continue to pound that storyline until a Cuban defector is actually able to deliver on the promise. otherwise, not a single ATG-pro has emerged from Cuba’s prestigious amateur ranks . . . which has always relied on pitting their men against every other country’s boys for their dominance but you rarely read or hear a pundit or so-called “expert” factor that into their calculations(?).

Posted July 7, 2014 1:48 pm 


SREDMOND

hidbee, I see people saying if Canelo is one pound this way or one pound the other its the difference in the fight…I don’t buy that with him or any fighter, at the end of the day its about who WON and who LOST, excuses are for the media and your strength coach who wants to keep his job…

Posted July 7, 2014 12:55 pm 


varnish

Interesting fight. Both guys are essentially undefeated – Lara’s “loss” to Williams was a joke, Canelo was schooled by a once-in-a-generation talent. But Lara was in big trouble against Angulo, who looked pedestrian against Canelo. I lean Canelo but can’t commit.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:46 pm 


Tomato Can

Joseph, that could happen. If it does I think Canelo will start getting picked apart and settle on pressuring Lara and try to crowd him. That’s his best chance at really giving Lara a lot of problems. At least that’s how I see it.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:41 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tomato Can: “Exactly, Canelo’s going to have a hard time getting set if Lara gives him angles and movement.”

Good point, brother…don’t be surprised if Canelo attempts to make Erislandy take the lead and implement a similar strategy like he did against Austin Trout.

He more than likely won’t have the stamina or ability to proficiently cut off the ring and close the distance proficiently throughout the great majority of this fight.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:27 pm 


Anonymous

Stop lying Lion King, that was your thread quit being a coward. Who wants to impersonate you idiot..

Posted July 7, 2014 12:24 pm 


Tomato Can

Exactly, Canelo’s going to have a hard time getting set if Lara gives him angles and movement.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:21 pm 


Joseph Herron

hibdeebibdee: “BTW Joseph, great interview with Jesse and Rodney.”

Thank you, my friend…we will be shooting a few more on Wednesday.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:19 pm 


Joseph Herron

hibdeebibdee: “Rodney said Canelo “really doesn’t throw punches in volume.” This is incorrect. Canelo has proven on many occasions that he is an effective combination puncher.”

Oh Canelo is a very creative combination puncher who combines speed with power…but Rodney is absolutely correct…when a fighter combines speed with power he ultimately sacrifices punch volume.

Canelo throws beautiful combinations but doesn’t throw in high volume and more importantly, doesn’t carry his power in the final third of the bout and tends to fade as a result.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:14 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“All these preloaded or reaview mirror excuses about Alvarez weight are a WASTE of time and irrelevant…”

Who made any excuses? In any case Sredmond, you are wrong–weight is ALWAYS relevant.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:08 pm 


Tomato Can

Lara is a better boxer than Canelo, he’s also probably faster, however he’s a weaker inside fighter, and will go straight back after exchanges leaving himself open. That’s how Angulo caught him, and Canelo is a lot faster than Angulo.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:08 pm 


hibdeebibdee

BTW Joseph, great interview with Jesse and Rodney. However, Rodney was wrong in his assessment of Canelo. He said Canelo “really doesn’t throw punches in volume.” This is incorrect. Canelo has proven on many occasions that he is an effective combination puncher.

“Kill the body, the head will fall.” LMAO! The “Texas Tornado” knows what he’s talking about–he was an animal in the ring.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:06 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

HARD WORK….DEDICATION…..Where is the DEDICATION????

Posted July 7, 2014 11:54 am 


SREDMOND

All these preloaded or reaview mirror excuses about Alvarez weight are a WASTE of time and irrelevant because at the end of the day you have to win or lose with the body you showup with… Canelo his physically a YOUNG,STRONG fighter… I say he should be able to defeat Lara, should he lose I will concede Lara as the better fighter on the evening in question.. All you hear about before and after bouts is “making weight” well the reality is that Canelo seeks to rehydrate overnight to gain an advantage, it has worked well for over 40 fights with ONE hiccup, against the BEST fighter in the World I am NOT gonna give him a pass if Lara proves to be better…

Posted July 7, 2014 11:52 am 


hibdeebibdee

Here’s some interesting tidbits and comparisons:

Lara beat Angulo by TKO in 10. Canelo beat Angulo by TKO in 10–after Angulo lost to Lara. Canelo beat Trout by UD. Lara beat Trout by UD–after Trout had lost to Canelo.

Canelo has the better professional resume and has faced more and better fighters than Lara. Although he is only 23 years old, Canelo has had more than twice as many fights as Lara who is 31. Canelo has faced more elite level fighters than Lara even though some of those fighters were long past their prime: Baldomir, Mosley, Cintron. Canelo has had more than 20 title fights (major and minor) in multiple weight divisions in which he was either fighting for a title or defending it and is a former WBC, WBA and The Ring light middleweight champion. Canelo has never been knocked down or stopped.

Lara has a deep amateur resume and is a former amateur world welterweight champion. However, Lara’s boxing career was in jeopardy until he successfully defected from Cuba to Mexico in 2008. Lara has only three title fights under his belt and has not fought for a major title prior to his upcoming bout with Canelo. During his professional career Lara has been knocked down but he has never been stopped.

Lara may have a slight physical advantage in this fight because Canelo has clearly had problems making weight in his last two fights. He had to buy a pound at a cost of $100,000 for the Angulo fight. For the Mayweather fight he had to drop all the way to 152 and ended up looking like a parched pistachio nut at the weigh-in, and as a result his performance against Mayweather was not inspiring. Now, Canelo has asked that the weight for his fight with Lara be set at 155, CLEARLY indicating that Canelo can no longer make 154 without great sacrifice. On the other hand, allowing Alvarez to weigh in at 155 may work to Alvarez’s advantage.

My prediction:

I won’t be paying to see this fight. :)

Posted July 7, 2014 11:42 am 


te tumbo

this is a 75/25 bout in Canelo’s favor. he has all the tools and talent to defeat Lara convincingly but execution v. a quality opponent will be critical. Canelo lapsed into deep-thoughts v. Mayweather, which was his undoing. never mind outsmarting an opponent. that happens on the fly. Canelo needs to be physically and mentally prepared to outFight this particular opponent. take the fight-plan out of Lara’s control and steer him right into the canvas. it’s what Angulo was almost able to do and what Molina actually did. completely discombobulating Lara throughout their bout. it’s no wonder that it’s a matchup that Lara has diligently avoided revisiting and redeeming.

Posted July 7, 2014 11:36 am 


SREDMOND

Canelo should win this fight, Lara is a very skilled boxer but unlike some on here think he is not proven to be ELITE in the way that an FMJ is… The guy can box, that said the book on Trout was already out, solid boxer but the man cannot punch… Canelo on the other hand can hit and in order to win Lara is gonna have to get hit and that will be his undoing.

Posted July 7, 2014 11:30 am 


Tomato Can

Agreed. However if either fighter elects to fight the others fight, or if one is able to dectate the terms of the fight it could become more onesided. But like I mentioned before, I want to see the weigh in. Will Canelo even get down to 154? I don’t thin Canelo wants to come in to heavy or rehydrate too much, and risk being sluggish on fight night.

Posted July 7, 2014 11:28 am 


Joseph Herron

I see this bout as a 50/50 match up as well, TC…that’s what makes this event so intriguing.

I can’t see this pairing materializing into an all out war or an action filled scrap, but the 1 versus 2 match-up for Junior Middleweight supremacy deserves our attention.

Posted July 7, 2014 10:20 am 


Tomato Can

I don’t think Lara can win this fight on the inside exchanging with Canelo and I don’t think Canelo can win this on the outside boxing Lara. So I see this fight having the potential of becoming a see-saw type battle with Canelo getting a SD or MD win. Still it’ll probably be a good idea to wait until the weigh in to make any final predictions on the fight.

Posted July 7, 2014 9:20 am 


Joseph Herron

JOKER: “ESB lacks good articles !!! ESB should post a good article every day !!!”

Does that mean you want me to start writing for ESB once again, Joker? LOL

Posted July 7, 2014 9:16 am 


LOL

dont worry about a good fight just make sure those numbers are high.

Posted July 7, 2014 9:10 am 


JOKER

ESB lacks good articles !!!

ESB should post a good article every day !!!

Posted July 7, 2014 8:58 am 


focker

I’m not Canelo’s fan but I like him to win because I want him to fight my guys Cotto and Pacquiao next, Lara’s win cannot make Cotto or Pacquiao fight because of Al Haymon association.

Posted July 7, 2014 7:59 am 


RAYGORDON REID

cdanelo

Posted July 7, 2014 7:00 am 


Cheese Cake In New York

Bears thats some man crush you have on Canelo !!

Posted July 7, 2014 5:07 am 


Auzbox

Hats off to canelo. I watched 24/7 today and to see that Oscar advised against the fight and canelo and his trainer said we have always said we are taking the big hard fights, the guy needs to be commended. I am really looking forward to this fight and I like canelo to win as I hope he learned from the mayweather fight. I just hope he fights for 12 if it lasts that long and doesn’t punch out early.

Posted July 7, 2014 4:22 am 


BEARS

boxtra should call in to your show and make his official prediction

Posted July 7, 2014 3:52 am 


Joseph Herron

Boxtradamus: “Canelo by TWO blind MICE decision.”

Boxtradamus: “LARA will destroy Canelo with superior SPEED, FOOTWORK and ring INTELLIGENCE. Alvarez will be BROKEN DOWN and KO’d by round 8!”

Well which one is it, you flip-flopping big mouth?!! LOL

Posted July 7, 2014 3:10 am 


BEARS

**on other boards people are saying if lara wins he will have trouble getting fights like rigo.

i never considered that.

canelo is one of my favorite current fighters. im def rooting for him. i really hope he does not dissapoint in this because it will be much to the detriment of how i view canelo.

i just want canelo to give it his all and look good. keep looking better and better like he has. above all leave it all in the ring. i feel the mayweather fight was an aberration due to the catchweight. i wanna see canelo add a dimension to his game.

i wanna see him close the gap and fire the combos in other words his version of the angulo if he has too. i think in canelo we could be looking at a future ATG and only the sky is the limit.

huge props to canelo for making the best fights available. i love how he pointed out he is like pacman and fraud as he calls his shots but unlike them he fights the best. looking forward to the next all access show.

lara is highly skilled and motivated and he will show to fight his game and i have nothing against him

a solid canelo win against this quick rangy slick boxer will also help show the bout vs fraud was aberration

Posted July 7, 2014 3:08 am 


Cheese Cake In New York

Looking forward to Lara making Canelo look like a raggedy doll , on as many points during the rounds as possible .

Posted July 7, 2014 2:47 am 


Joseph Herron

BEARS: “joe whats your forecast for this fight?”

I talk about this in my segment of the show.

Elite level match-ups of this nature are very difficult to call, and could conceivably go either way.

But I think Canelo wins a decision, with his explosive combination punching being the deciding factor.

Because of the style match-up, I can see very many close, difficult rounds to score…I think the judges will more than likely reward those close competitive rounds to the fighter who seemingly throws the harder, more consequential shots…which is Canelo.

Because of the scoring flaw in the judging process of boxing, I do believe that the first third, and most uneventful, portion of the fight will ultimately decide Saturday night’s victor.

It will be controversial and inconclusive.

Although I could see a knock-out taking place in the mid to late rounds for the red haired Mexican, I truly believe both fighters are too physically and mentally strong, and will ultimately see the finish line on Saturday night.

Posted July 7, 2014 2:42 am 


Techniques

lololol

Posted July 7, 2014 1:34 am 


BEARS

joe whats your forecast for this fight?

Posted July 7, 2014 1:26 am 


BEARS

the angulo stoppage to me was lucky for lara. everyone watching the fight thought there was a real possibility lara would be stopped and rightfully so.

canelo has never been treated like that in a ring son

Posted July 7, 2014 1:25 am 


BEARS

im taking canelo by stoppage or brutal beat down win. i hope canelo does not dissapoint again. canelo taking this fight is awesome and the winner gets HUGE credit.

canelo better lay it all out like angulo did

FORECAST: Canelo wins by stoppage

Posted July 7, 2014 1:00 am 


Boxtradamus

Canelo by TWO blind MICE decision.

Posted July 7, 2014 12:44 am 


Joseph Herron

If you missed any part of this week’s program, you can click on the attached link and listen the replay in its entirety…thanks for joining us!!

Don’t forget to leave your fight predictions on the comment board…and if you have any questions for anyone on the show, send your emails to herron dot joseph 2112 @ att dot net

Posted July 6, 2014 11:50 pm 


Joseph Herron

LOL…thanks, brother

Posted July 6, 2014 11:29 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Thanks Brother, Apology accepted, don’t do it again.

Posted July 6, 2014 11:28 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“Canelo has NEVER been stopped and has only been rocked/staggered like once in his entire career. ”

Who was going to stop him, Mayweather? Hatton? Lopez? Mosley? Baldomir? Trout? Who the heck has Canelo fought that had the ability to stop him?

Posted July 6, 2014 11:17 pm 


Joseph Herron

We apologize for any technical difficulties

Posted July 6, 2014 11:09 pm 


Joseph Herron

718-506-1506 to listen to remainder of the show

Posted July 6, 2014 11:08 pm 


Joseph Herron

Try refreshing the attached link, SC

Posted July 6, 2014 11:03 pm 


Canelo win

He should win, if he does not then Lara wins.

Posted July 6, 2014 10:53 pm 


Canelo win

Canelo all the way, he will beat Lara.

Posted July 6, 2014 10:47 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“Perro won at least 4 rounds vs. Lara and he’s a slow plodder compared to Alvarez.”

That may be. But as Ronnie said, Angulo is tough, he takes a punch and keeps on coming. On the other hand, Canelo doesn’t fight like that and unless he feels his opponent simply can’t hurt him, he doesn’t try to walk through his punches. Ronnie believes that if Alvarez tries to use the same tactics Angulo did, Lara is gonna stop him.

Posted July 6, 2014 10:34 pm 


Boxtradamus

SticGivens-Nope. Like they say there’s a SUCKER born every minute. MY Jester just made a sucker out of YOU.

Posted July 6, 2014 10:17 pm 


hibdeebibdee

BTW, I’m Robert. LOL!

Posted July 6, 2014 10:07 pm 


hibdeebibdee

Let me rephrase the question:

Earlier in the show Joseph mentioned Lara’s five inch reach advantage over Canelo. Yet in his fight with Angulo, Alfredo was able to knock Lara down two times. What did Lara do wrong in that fight and what does he need to do right to prevent the same thing from happening to him in his fight with Alvarez?

Posted July 6, 2014 10:07 pm 


hibdeebibdee

Sorry, I repeated myself.

Hope you can decipher the question.

Posted July 6, 2014 10:05 pm 


hibdeebibdee

Joseph, please ask Ronnie:

Earlier in the show you mentioned Lara’s five inch reach advantage over Canelo. Yet, Angulo was able to floor Lara twice even though he has less reach than Canelo.

Yet, Angulo, who has one inch less reach than Alvarez, was able to knock Lara down twice. What did Erislandy do wrong in that fight and what does he need to fix so he does not suffer the same fate against Canelo?

Posted July 6, 2014 10:04 pm 


Joseph Herron

LOL

Posted July 6, 2014 10:03 pm 


SticGivens

Okay so the REAL Boxtradamus is picking LARA to DEFEAT CANELO by devastating KNOCKOUT right? I agree tho, just wanna see if I’m on the same page as the Greatest!

Posted July 6, 2014 10:03 pm 


Joseph Herron

Geez!!! LOL

Posted July 6, 2014 9:54 pm 


Boxtradamus

Nope. I’m a LIFE LONG WINNER.

Posted July 6, 2014 9:37 pm 


Boxtradamus

Nope. GOOD guess though MY loyal disciple. MY prediction is on the article below…I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born and thats why I have those trying to imitate MY GREATNESS. Jordan, Ali, Kobe, and Floyd are all similar to ME on that. I appreciate your loyalty to providing more posts under MY name giving ME more exposure and making ME more popular than I would be on my own. KEEP fooling as many FEEBLE minded posters as possible and take them on as long of a ride as possible while I LAUGH at them!! Its GUT busting!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!!! I ANNOINT you as MY Jester MY loyal disciple. SPANK them just like I TAUGHT you!!

Posted July 6, 2014 9:36 pm 


RAYGORDON REID

Boxtradamus = LIFE LONG LOSER

Posted July 6, 2014 9:26 pm 


RAYGORDON REID

LARA

Posted July 6, 2014 8:41 pm 


Mighty Ducks supporter for life

Is Penelope up for undercard fight next? I mean Penelope “Panza” Sanzho is an up and coming Mexican fighter with lots of speed and aggro.
He is not a skilled boxer but he haves a lot of anger in his boxing style of wild swinging punches and have said that he fights for “his words saying Viva la Mexica, and thank Taco Bell for that they sponsor us and our team with free Taco dinners evrey day”!
Also I must say that he talks very stereotypical macho Mexican style of trash-talk

Is this fighter any good tho? Is he worth betting on?

Posted July 6, 2014 8:13 pm 



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