Crawford should move up in weight and challenge Algieri, Provodikov, and Garcia.
There’s nothing at 135… He’s clearly the best there.Posted July 5, 2014 2:25 am
who”s next mikey peds.Posted July 3, 2014 1:55 pm
“Of course Crawford should stay @ 135Lb & prove himself as #1 in the division. He only holds the lightly regarded WBO title so unification should be his priority. The WBA, WBC & IBF have just had a convention to look at unification & find a 100% kingpin…” – Thank you. Guys gotta stop talking about moving every fighter who gets some buzz up in weight for “big fights.” Unify the titles and all your fights become big.Posted July 3, 2014 12:12 am
“Terence Crawford vs Mikey Garcia would be a freakin’ fabulous matchup that would bring more buzz, attention, and money than Crawford vs Gamboa ever did… It’s a tougher and closer matchup.”
I agree. Interestingly, in the Crawford/Gamboa post-fight press conference Crawford was asked about a possible matchup with Mikey Garcia. Crawford laughed and shook his head and said “That’s a stupid question. I’m not even going to answer it.”
I’m not sure what that means. Maybe because both fighters are two of Top Rank’s best boxers, maybe Top Rank doesn’t want that fight to happen? Or maybe Mikey just meant, “Of course I want to fight him you fool!”Posted July 2, 2014 10:39 pm
“This article is so stupid it’s intolerable.”
Ditto that.Posted July 2, 2014 10:34 pm
Boxers do not work for their promoters Peej. It’s the other way around. At least it’s supposed to be.Posted July 2, 2014 10:33 pm
PEEJ.., “but this day and age you work for your promoter not the other way around.”
That is complete BULL… Mikey has enough stature to demand certain fights.. Just like Canelo demanded the Trout and Lara fights when the promoters wanted him to fight Cotto.
Mikey Garcia is a 2-Division World Champion who has built up enough prestige to tell his promoter he wants a super fight.. He just says, “I want Terence Crawford.. I’m not fighting anybody else.” … He has the power to do that.
They’re going to promote that fight.. It’s big money for them too.. However, Mikey might not want that fight. It is risky because Crawford is big and strong.Posted July 2, 2014 9:12 am
Say what you will about Vazquez, but he’s coming off a string of good wins (and has only ever lost to Canelo and Bradley)… finding him boring has no bearing on whether he or his division is weak.
There’s nothing wrong with the lightweight division at the moment other than it being hard to become a millionaire fighting in it… there are still good fights to be made. I don’t see any harm in Crawford honing his skills against the other champions in the division (and heck, it’s not even a sure-thing that he’d come through unscathed), unifying, then moving up to 140 with a bit more negotiating power when challenging the “big guns”.
roberto the best ever at 135. period.Posted July 1, 2014 11:44 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Of course Crawford should stay @ 135Lb & prove himself as #1 in the division. He only holds the lightly regarded WBO title so unification should be his priority. The WBA, WBC & IBF have just had a convention to look at unification & find a 100% kingpin, so that must be his route, which should end with a Ring magazine belt. “1 World 1 Champ”!!!……….Posted July 1, 2014 7:08 am
Tark proves time and again he don’t know tihs about boxing.Posted July 1, 2014 6:55 am
Is Tark Rolf Harris? kinda makes sense.Posted July 1, 2014 6:54 am
I think yours is the most lucid and intelligent post on this thread.
Except for JE’s one where he reiterates and expands upon my HW point. That one was nice and toasty too.Posted July 1, 2014 5:02 am
Every div has it’s ups and downs. Blame the promoters and managers and all that is boxing for this. It’s the only sport I know that sabotages itself time and time again. It’s run by crooks and criminals, but that’s part of the attraction for the hard core fan. But the guys will always keep their cash cows safe thus robbing us of amazing fights. The light weight div is stacked with unknown fighters all over the world and it comes down to who you know an blow. And with Schaefer leaving golden boy and Haymon and the rest if these newer wolves, it may get even worse. But what do I know?Posted July 1, 2014 4:03 am
Nothing wrong with that. I personally think he should try and get the Ring belt and then move up to 140. He looked good at 140 to. Or heck fight in both divisions.Posted July 1, 2014 2:23 am
Why does Terence have to do anything. He can stay at Lightweight and dominate the Division. He can make the Lightweight Division great again. He is Champion and can rule there. What is wrong with that?Posted July 1, 2014 2:13 am
Your ridiculous. I never brought up Floyd. This has nothing to do with Floyd. You are such a Floyd hater that you are always bringing him up. It is clear they don’t want to work with Haymon for they have said it over and over. Not to mention Arum blames Haymon for the issue he is having with Mikey Garcia. You need to do research before speaking to me little man.Posted July 1, 2014 2:03 am
Peej quotes – Carl Moretti: “Vazquez just signed with Haymon, so that’s out.”
So obviously Haymon won’t work with Top Rank and that’s why he said it. I love how you try to turn it around the other way. Keep protecting FMJ the ducker with illusions of negative negotiating from Top Rank. Your thinly veiled excuses are as transparent as FMJ chicken skin.Posted July 1, 2014 1:55 am
Castillo was great. Not quite Hall of Fame caliber but really close. I just looked up his Wiki entry since I couldn’t remember when he retired. He’s still fighting? Damn….wow.Posted July 1, 2014 1:18 am
Also this day you don’t just tell your promoter who you are fighting. It no longer works that way anymore. Yeah the huge fighters can do that to an extent but this day and age you work for your promoter not the other way around.Posted July 1, 2014 12:45 am
Garcia can’t tell his promoters anything right now. He is in court and as of now it is not looking good. As a matter of fact Arum is blaming Haymon. So regardless no matter what he says the fight is not happening. And Garcia has loot, he doesn’t have to fight. He fights cause he likes it. So at the moment or even this year the fight is not happening.Posted July 1, 2014 12:35 am
The weights don’t matter if Mikey wanted the fight… He would just tell his promoter he wants the fight. What are they going to say, “We’ll do the managing, you do the fighting.” The best boxers today won’t accept that kind of talk — even though that’s what they’ll tell the press if they’re asked about a opponent they don’t want, “My managers will determine who I fight next.”
Mikey could say, “I want an offer to go out. The fight will do a lot better than anybody thinks because Crawford just beat an undefeated Olympic Gold Medalist with a spectacular series of knockdowns. Crawford is undefeated and the hottest guy out there for me right now. There’s nobody at 130 unless Lomachenko wants to move up, or I could get Donaire to fight … You know those fights are not happening.”
Promoters don’t want to take any risks… You have to demand big fights or they won’t happen.. Big money fights are risky fights.. This would be much bigger than Crawford vs Gamboa because Gamboa hasn’t done anything in a long time — but the fight was spectacular and everybody is talking about it. Crawford put himself on the map.Posted July 1, 2014 12:28 am
here is what was said
Fightnews: Carl, any possibility of a match-up with Mikey Garcia? (Crawford beat Garcia twice as an amateur)
Top Rank VP Carl Moretti: “That fight is not happening.
Fightnews: Crawford too big?
Carl Moretti: “Garcia won’t take it.”
Fightnews: What about Miguel Vazquez?
Carl Moretti: “Vazquez just signed with Haymon, so that’s out.”
It was actually Carl Moretti who is the match maker for Top Rank I think. He is saying Garcia won’t take it and since Vazquez is with Haymon then that fight is out. So obvious that they will not work with Haymon.Posted July 1, 2014 12:23 am
Tark is the village retardPosted July 1, 2014 12:07 am
First off Garcia is having problems with Top Rank so he can’t accept any offer. But this is straight from Top Ranks mouth who happens to promote both fighters. Garcia vs Crawford is not happening. So no matter what you say, that is coming straight from them. Not an opinion from me. But from Todd who answered a question during the post fight press conference. So the Fact is they are not making the fight. And no that fight is not gonna bring in millions for either fighter. They may make a million but not millions. Heck they only offered Garcia a million to fight Gamboa and some how offered Gamboa 1.5 mil. So Sorry they will not make that much money in rich standards for the fight at the current moment. Especially when one is at 130 and the other is at 135.Posted June 30, 2014 11:03 pm
PEEJ.., When fights are proposed and money offered — fights often go from “not happening” to “happening.”
That’s because deadlines are also offered, so your offer
For as long as I’ve been around, people are willing to take substantial risks for 100’s of thousands or millions of dollars — if they’re not already super rich. If you know a fight is going to be great money wise, and the fans will love it, you’ll think long and hard before turning it down…
The only reason you won’t is because you already have 20 million in your investment portfolio… in which case you ask for unreasonable terms, just on the outside chance that somebody will say “yes” … because they’re so desperate to get the fight done they’ll give you the lion’s share of the money.
Neither Mikey or Terence are rich yet — so they would listen.Posted June 30, 2014 10:54 pm
I’d take Crawford over Mikey Garcia.Posted June 30, 2014 10:35 pm
Crystall Ball you are an idiot. At the press Conference Todd Dehowever you spell his name said that a certain fighter was with Haymon so that is not gonna happen. So that sounds to me like they don’t want to work with Haymon. He didn’t say Haymon does not want to work with us like they say when they talk about Floyd. They clearly said if they are with Haymon the fight will not happen. This has nothing to do with Floyd. I never mentioned Floyd. Idiots like you do.Posted June 30, 2014 9:34 pm
And I didn’t say I didn’t want to see it, I would love to see it. But Garcia is moving up to fast and he would be at a disadvantage against Crawford if he moves to 135. He needs to build his body up and Crawford will be at 140 before he is able to do that.Posted June 30, 2014 9:32 pm
Top Rank said they are not putting Garcia in with Crawford. That question was asked at the press conference and Todd DeBuff or how ever you spell his name said that fight is not happeningPosted June 30, 2014 9:30 pm
I ment 130Posted June 30, 2014 9:30 pm
JE, Ali, Foreman, SRL, RJJ all faced Eastern Euros in the amateurs. Black Americans are the most phenomenonal athletes and hand to hand combatants in the world and always will be.Posted June 30, 2014 8:56 pm
Turbo, there aren’t near as many boxing gyms in inner cities as we’re prior to the 90’s. Same now with MMA. When blacks start to get into MMA, it’s over.Posted June 30, 2014 8:46 pm
If you were in the loop, you would know that, Haymon does not want to work with Top Rank. You only discredit Top Rank because you’re scared sh1tless of Pacquiao beating your boy FMJ and need to keep up the illusion of negative tactics coming from Top Rank negotiations. More lies from Peej as usual.Posted June 30, 2014 8:31 pm
PEEJ says.., “Top Rank has already stated they are not putting Garcia and Crawford together plus Garcia is at 135″
If Garcia was at 135 there would be no problem putting him with Crawford.
But he’s not. He’s at 130.. But Mikey was looking for a Gamboa fight before Crawford hauled that fight in.. I don’t see why Crawford vs Garcia can’t be made for the light weight championship — unless Mikey doesn’t think he can beat Crawford… Terence would make that fight in a heartbeat…
Terence Crawford vs Mikey Garcia would be a freakin’ fabulous matchup that would bring more buzz, attention, and money than Crawford vs Gamboa ever did… It’s a tougher and closer matchup.
I would love to see it… If you don’t want to see that fight you’re fukkin’ nuts… But those are just the kind of sizzling fights that never happen.Posted June 30, 2014 8:29 pm
Top Rank has already stated they are not putting Garcia and Crawford together plus Garcia is at 135Posted June 30, 2014 7:43 pm
Well Vasquez is the top 135lb fighter so if you want to be the best you got to beat him. He is with Haymon. And since Crawford is with Top Rank, they don’t want to work with Haymon.Posted June 30, 2014 7:42 pm
Between Mikey Garcia, Crawford, Gamboa, Burns, Prescott, Vaszquez, Beltran, Abril … I don’t think any of these guys are Al Heyman guys.
And even if 1-2 of these guys are Al Heyman guys — the bigger attractions (Mikey Garcia, Crawford, Gamboa) are not. The other guys are basically “fan-building” fights that I would hope Garcia, Crawford, and Gamboa can generate a lot of knockouts.
So, what is your point.Posted June 30, 2014 7:24 pm
Castillo was a very good fighter at 135. Castillo was a good pressure fighter and up until he got old and was moving up. The loses at lightweight were because of cuts that caused stoppages and losing to Floyd and he pushed Floyd. Castillo was very good at 135Posted June 30, 2014 7:17 pm
Prescott fight was fought at 140. I think Crawford should stay at lightweight and become the Ring champ then move up. Problem is Top Rank won’t work with Haymon. But nobody is saying that.Posted June 30, 2014 7:14 pm
I agree with some of the comments below.
Crawford should stay at 135 pounds and win, win with power, and win with knockouts.
I disagree with the author who says that the lightweight division is dead.
Crawford has just had three exciting fights including Gamboa, Burns, and Prescott. Crawford should clean-out the others including Vaszquez and Beltran and possibly Abril. He should win, win big, and win by knockout.
Crawford would then be set-up for a big fight with Mikey Garcia.
Gamboa should do exactly the same thing and also fight guys like 2-3 guys whether it is Burns, Prescott, Vasquez, Abril, and Beltran and also win, win big, and win by knockout.
If Gamboa comes back with big wins, then Crawford and Gamboa would be set-up for a great rematch.
In this scenario, boxing fans would have 2 years of great fights. I don’t know if we would get Corrales vs. Castillo but we would get as good as we got ten years ago. The author is wrong.Posted June 30, 2014 7:06 pm
Stupid jackass says.., “Castillo at the top of his game would have been favoured to beat both YG and TC.”
How could a punching bag like Castillo, who couldn’t box a lick… who was beaten repeatedly by good boxers…and took savage clubbings… who couldn’t even hang with an unskilled punching bag like Ricky Hatton when he was only 33… have a prayer of beating a stellar boxer like Terence Crawford??? … You are a super stupid, ignorant ass.Posted June 30, 2014 6:59 pm
Stupid idiot says.., “You’ve mentioned a Castillo v Corrales rubber match when no such fight took place. You say Mayweather jumped from super feather to light welter which is bull. You say Corrales jumped to light welter which he never did and you say he ‘ left the game early ‘ as if it had anything to do with his boxing style. He died”
The Castillo-Corrales rubber match didn’t take place because Castillo couldn’t come close to the weight you stupid fool… Try to read. The fight was a bust like I said.
Corrales was done when he died you dense piece of shlt… He was a failure at 147 which he jumped up to eventually, all the way from super featherweight.. In steps obviously… you jerk.
Maywether eventually went through 5 divisions you imbecile. My point was, these guys weren’t staying at lightweight.. they were migrating through divisions.. Grow a brain you pretentious piece of dingleberry smear.Posted June 30, 2014 6:47 pm
So the first time this writer saw Miguel Vasquez was on the PAC-Marquez 4 undercard.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that card was the first said writer had ever watched.Posted June 30, 2014 6:16 pm
If Crawford doesn’t have any problems making 135 he should stay put and challenge all the other title holders to step up. Don’t change divisions just to chase names. Stake your claim in a division, make a name for yourself by blasting out everyone who steps up, then the others will come.Posted June 30, 2014 5:53 pm
nah Tark likes his girls young. so do I.Posted June 30, 2014 5:41 pm
Tark = idiot and after him going on about the rematch and phantom rubber match between Castillo and Corrales I now agree he just flicks through annuals and doesn’t know tihs about boxing. The rematch was a dud because Castillo deliberately weighed in overweight, choosing to pay a fine and then battered Corrales. Basically he chose to cheat and so many others like Guzman and Broner have copied his methods since. There was no rubber match. However, he had a rubber series with Casamayor, who would be favoured to beat both TC and YG. BTW, Tark likes his men young.Posted June 30, 2014 5:25 pm
Tark is a blithering idiot. Castillo at the top of his game would have been favoured to beat both YG and TC. Castillo was not only tough, but sneaky as hell in his offence. TC was getting caught by all sorts of blows even when YG was clearly gone. Tark needs to grow up. Lately this old duffer is all over the place with his comments.Posted June 30, 2014 5:19 pm
Tark your talking b@llocks. You’ve mentioned a Castillo v Corrales rubber match when no such fight took place. You say Mayweather jumped from super feather to light welter which is bull. You say Corrales jumped to light welter which he never did and you say he ‘ left the game early ‘ as if it had anything to do with his boxing style. He died you t*t.Posted June 30, 2014 5:15 pm
Bubble, you seriously believe he. Can handle Wlad or are you, like the rest of the division, praying for his retirement? The future? MAYBE for a short time after Wlad retires but I don’t think chagev has a long term future as any form of champion. But that is just MHO.Posted June 30, 2014 5:08 pm
burst a buble
Gumboot. Its for the vacant WBA title, thats why we can have a champion that the heavyweight fans deserve. He will také out anyone in that division and unify it. He will be around a long time yet. Yes the futurePosted June 30, 2014 4:56 pm
wild flowers fade, but blooming idiots last foreverPosted June 30, 2014 4:39 pm
Tark its ONE hell of an assumption that Corrales and Castillo would have “been knocked out by Gamboa or Crawford”… Gamboa has NOT set the world on fire at 135 and he was getting downed at 130 also (down last 3 bouts) Corrales and Castillo were both guys who would take shots to give shots but Crawford and Gamboa are still too young in their careers to predict KO’s of either of those two former HARD men…Posted June 30, 2014 4:30 pm
This article is so stupid it’s intolerable.
This pundit hypes, “Floyd Mayweather, Luis Castillo, Diego Corrales, and Joel Casamayor”
First—all the above “greats” jumped weight divisions — going from super featherweight to Jr welterweight in the case of Mayweather, Corrales, and Casamayor… What’s the big deal of today’s lightweights jumping divisions??? That criticism is stupid.
Were those 4 guys all top lightweights at the same time??? You’re bunching them together to make the division stand out… Where were Floyd’s fights with Joel Casamayor??? Where were Floyd’s fights with Corrales at lightweight??? I didn’t see them.
Castillo vs Corrales I was a great slugfest—but that was an ACCIDENT… Neither fighter defended well. Both washed out early. Both would be knocked out by Crawford or Gamboa.
Castillo vs Corrales were willing to absorb a ton of punishment to KO the other. The rematch and rubber match were busts that NOBODY ever talks about… They were soon out of the game.
I’ve been harshly critical of Gamboa’s defense his entire career.
It’s true YG’s a poor defender—but he’s not as wide open as Castillo or Corrales. Gamboa’s speed and power would make him the favorite over those 2… They’re 3 X as hittable as Terence Crawford… Crawford would have made a tough lightweight opponent for Mayweather. Crawford’s style is supremely confusing and he boxes southpaw as well as he does right handed. He’s a nightmare to deal with … Weak division my ass.
When has the lightweight division ever produced major PPV’s??? Thank you.Posted June 30, 2014 4:03 pm
Turbo – Have to agree with you. When Ali-Foreman-Frazier etc… were at the top, the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL etc… all existed and were doing quite well. The true difference is that champions and contenders of that era and before NEVER faced an opponent from the Eastern Bloc. Can we honestly say that the 60’s would’ve been the same if Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko were dropped into the scene? Can’t see Quarry, Patterson, Terrell, Ellis, or any of the other contenders below the superstars giving either K brother the least bit of trouble. Who knows how the K’s would’ve performed against the biggest names but certainly they would’ve proven difficult for everyone involved. Were there Klitschko-like figures in the 60s-70s? We can’t know the answer but I suspect things would’ve been significantly different.Posted June 30, 2014 4:02 pm
Nothing wrong with the HW division.
Americans keep repeating this myth but it isn`t true.
Other countries have pro sports too, so the fact a few black guys play basketall now doesn`t make the division any stronger or weaaker. Was Tyson or Holyfield ever going to play basketball?Posted June 30, 2014 3:45 pm
so true,nearly as bad as the hw division.Posted June 30, 2014 3:02 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
There’s plenty of unification fights out there for Crawford to take @ 135Lb. Figueroa & Vasquez could both provide good opponents if the politics could be dealt with!Posted June 30, 2014 3:00 pm
Crawford’s rise to prominence provides strong evidence that coming up the hard way makes a fighter ready for the big fights in a way that multiple record-padding bouts cannot. Today we’re seeing talented fighters being fed relatively soft opposition only to fall short when the inevitable big fight comes along. You want to be prepared to pull through the tough times that someone such as Gamboa will give you? The hard road of tough competition (amateur and pro) provides the path. (Even if you lose a few times in the process). We’ve seen too many so-called champions – Nathan Cleverly comes to mind – who clearly have talent but were moved far too gently along. When faced with a crafty or hard-hitting foe some of them, such as Cleverly, wilt. Damn shame to see talent wasted.Posted June 30, 2014 2:43 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
We’ve got a guy in the UK called Terry Flannigan who within 24 months could well be #1 in the World @ 135Lb!Posted June 30, 2014 2:32 pm
And, further, I really don’t think that a win over Fres Oquendo qualifies provides any reason to be considered, or claim, world champion.Posted June 30, 2014 2:23 pm
@burst a bubble. Chagev is a credible he but hardly the future. The future, among the young fighters, are Joshua and parker. Parker continues his development against Minto this weekend. In his 9th professional fight and already more credible than WilderPosted June 30, 2014 2:11 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Wladimir Klitschko is The Number 1 Heavyweight.Posted June 30, 2014 2:00 pm
burst a buble
The division needs a quality champion. Get ready to see Ruslan changev win the heavyweight title this weekend. True champion and the future of the divisionPosted June 30, 2014 1:57 pm
The Decline of The Quality of Writers On This Site.
You could make the same case about the decline of cruiserweight or of the French football league because ultimately it’s the same issue; when you have riches available in one place it attracts talent away from others. Look at Thomas Adamek for example. He could have dominated CW or LHW for years but instead he gets beat up by men a foot taller than him and why? For money.Posted June 30, 2014 1:11 pm
This dude School’s Broner…TC is a special talent. This is the type of fighter that has it all. Very rare.Posted June 30, 2014 12:46 pm
I’d like to see Crawford vs Broner at either weight.Posted June 30, 2014 12:30 pm