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Marvin Maravelous Monzon

Thank you for sharing your view Myles, I am a big fan of both so I would say that it would have been a Monzon win for 1977 and prior, a draw for 1978, and a Hagler win in 1979 and beyond!

Posted June 9, 2014 1:05 am 


Myles

Monzon would have murdered Hagler. Too tall and too big. Punched too hard. Too tough.

Last night was Holmes-Ali … Louis-Charles … Holmes-Tyson

An old man who suddenly couldn’t do it anymore… for Sergio it wasn’t that sudden

Posted June 8, 2014 6:00 pm 


Marvin Monzon

I would enjoy a fight fiction of Hagler/Monzon (for 1977 and 1978), but if Monzon would have fought until the age of 39 (1981), maybe it would have been the same result of tonight (Hagler)-Cotto/Martinez-(Monzon) ?

Posted June 8, 2014 2:43 am 


fried eggs

f~k of Anonymous,you tampon

Posted June 7, 2014 6:10 pm 


D

racemond isn’t typical. he’s an extreme racist to the max

Posted June 7, 2014 5:00 pm 


Anonymous

keep todays hw circus rolling.

Posted June 7, 2014 2:07 pm 


TARK

Sredmond is jealous because wladimir never slacked off for a minute… and continues to get better at a very advanced age for a boxer.

Sred’s heroes of the 70’s slacked off in their mid 30’s got fat… got beaten… and suffered mental disability… like ali, frazier, quarry, et al.

Posted June 7, 2014 1:53 pm 


BEARS

wladimir boxed purrittys sox off son!! clearly your reading a win loss record on wiki and did not watch the fight!!

wladimir at one point landed an 8 hit combo. go back and watch wlad utterly dominate purritty!! he was only like 20 years old. dude was basically a college kid. it is good to go back and look at wlad from the 90s!!! and compare him to now the BEAST OF A MAN he has become. sracemond having to detract from a kids boxing performance!!! talk about desperation on sracemonds racial agenda elucidated.

i encourage everyone to watch that fight. wlad literally wooped purritty until sdunek through the towel in cuz he thought wlad gassed right atthe end of the fight. wlad DOMINATED purritty

Posted June 7, 2014 1:49 am 


BEARS

^^baiting TARK to speak ill of me huh sracemond? lol @ u

the fact is EVERY win for wlad is historic. u say wlad can not fight i. the u.s. you of all people BROTHER MAN. should know the u.s. has had no heavies forever. we have had noone. wlad actually fought at MSG!! two europeans at heavy!! unprecedented as far as i know. so actually it speaks volumes about wlad. americans fightig in america and doing well. thats EXPECTED. tao european heavies on the other hand not so much. try to think before you speak. there are not two american fighters of ANY weight division who are gonna sell wembley like froch did so epic fail on your race agenda again SON!!!

you do not know sh!t. it is funny reading up and down all the threads you have pissed on. people literally dismantle your posts then you say “yeah and …..” you go on to reword your posts and call yourself right. you’re a phukin joke dude.! u need your denture teeth knocked out again by the same white tuys or group of white guys that have done it multiple times already and fueled your scorn for the white race.

bahahahahahahah

and quit copying my style and using my terminology u lame phuk. read a book

Posted June 7, 2014 1:44 am 


TARK

So TRUE. The world’s population is twice as big today. So is the talent pool

A huge slice of the planet wasn’t even allowed to develop professional boxers in the ’70s — and Olympic athletes continue to shatter world records from the recent past, much less the ancient ’70s.

Posted June 7, 2014 1:44 am 


LAJ

Actually I take that back if Wlad was fighting in the 70s he couldn’t fight as a pro. There was amuch smaller pool of fighters from around the world then. It was basically the US and Western Europe.

Posted June 6, 2014 11:57 pm 


LAJ

If Wlad was fighting in the 70s Norton, Frazier, and others likely would never have been relevant. This article wouldn’t have existed.

Posted June 6, 2014 11:50 pm 


TARK

Rusty Bucket…, Fans didn’t appreciate Ali’s fight with Alfredo Evangelista… Ruddi Lubbers… Mac Foster… Buster Mathis… or Joe Bugner

Nothing happened…

At least with Klitschko-Povetkin, lame as it was — you had 4 knockdowns of an undefeated World Champion and Olympic Gold Medal winner … who had never been knocked down in his life before.

There’s an old saying.., “Win this fight and look good in the next one.”

Vince Lombardi.., “Winning isn’t the most important thing. It’s the ONLY thing.”

Posted June 6, 2014 10:49 pm 


Mitt

Right. He got Chambers in the last 20 seconds. Thompson in the last round first time if I remember. Sultan he was about to get. Haye he missed with a couple sweet ones. Wach nobody could get. Nobody else stopped those guys. If he had more rounds to work with he’d have more KOs.

Posted June 6, 2014 10:39 pm 


laj

The only thing that would have happened if they had to go 15 rounds today is Wlad’s KO’s would be even higher. He would be therefore even greater.

Posted June 6, 2014 6:37 pm 


Rustybucket

Stewart taught Wlad one thing, and that was, not trade with a fighter who can punch.
The techniqes he employs are all based around that.

If Wlad was boxing in the 70s he would be far less appreciated than he even is now.
His current style mixed with his physical attributes would have no supporters back then, let alone if he had to cope with 15 round fights

Posted June 6, 2014 6:15 pm 


Anonymous

Sredmond below

Posted June 6, 2014 4:49 pm 


laj

Sorry rounds

Posted June 6, 2014 4:04 pm 


laj

Yea, Sredmond told me if the fighters went 15 bronds today Wald would have 10 KO losses to his record. When I pointed out to him that Wlad has only been in 7 fights his entire career that went he distance and asked him who would have KO’d him in those 7 fights I got radio silence.

Posted June 6, 2014 4:03 pm 


laj

Anyhow this article is about Norton and Frazier. I loved Frazier, a small fighter that over acheived, but reality is neither of these fighters would manage to stay long in the toip ten even with todays fighters. Neither had really good chins and they couldn’t over power the bigger fighters of today. Frazier had the additional misfortune of being one handed most of his career and had vision issues in one eye. That is why I loved him, he did more with less. Norton was a good fighter, but couldn’t handle big punchers at all, and didn’t have enough power to make up for it.

Posted June 6, 2014 3:59 pm 


TARK

Sredmond is an idiot laj… He doesn’t know Boxing.

He keeps harping on losses that happened over 10 years ago… Marciano had a pro career that only lasted 8 years.

Joe Frazier’s KO ratio 73%… Wladimir’s KO ratio 80%

Joe Frazier’s Win ratio 86%… Wladimir’s Win ratio 95%

Posted June 6, 2014 3:58 pm 


laj

Sredmond, have you ever gone back and looked at who Purrity was fighting and losing to? He definitely was not a great fighter, but those 20 losses were to top fighters, not scrubs. Yes, he had three fight losing streaks, like the Bryd, Larry Donald & Sanders, all top 5-15 fighters at the time. He was probably the most mismanaged fighter around, and definitely never learned the trade correctly, but he was not a bum. He was a tough fighter that went rounds, and rarely was stopped. Certainly Wald should have walked through him, no argument there, but unless you have been in the ring at this level it is best not to call fighters bums. Was he a bum when he decked Morrision? I have called you out on your silly exagerations before and you ran away. Here we go again.

Posted June 6, 2014 3:50 pm 


TARK

Everyone knows Wladimir had technical issues until he got with Emmanuel Steward… Wlad had the flu and was underweight for Puritty, weighing a very skinny 224 or Puritty’s 250.. Wlad never weighed less than 235 after that fight. In other words never within 10 pounds of that weight.

Wlad was on his feet at the stoppage. He won every round up to the 10th — so he thought it was an issue of being weak and underconditioned.

Wladimir never knew he had technical problems until the Sanders fight.. That’s when he hired Steward who corrected all of them over the next few years. When a guy’s been boxing for 20 years it takes a long time to unlearn bad habits and technique.

Posted June 6, 2014 3:39 pm 


SREDMOND

Sorry Tark I don’t give 8 year professionals with 45 fights “a pass” till they get themselves together… You turn on fighters for one points loss but you don’t want us to count Wlads losses against him? They are part of his history unlike the poison that you say was put in his veins HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 6, 2014 3:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Laj, Purrity was a TOTAL loser the man had 13 losses on his record when he busted Wlad Klits… He had MORE than one 2 fight losing streak on his record at that point and retired with 20 or so losses… Are you gonna argue that this was NOT the level of comp Klits was supposed to walk thru? Now you are just arguing for the hell of it… Don’t get me wrong he looked good slamming those jump hooks into Klits melon in the fight ending round “Ross The Boss”

Posted June 6, 2014 3:26 pm 


TARK

And it’s a matter of styles…, Quarry was made to order for Frazier. Joe was bigger and stronger and could bully Jerry. They fought battles of attrition. The stronger, tougher man won.

Lyle and Shavers would have been too big and strong for Frazier, but they were perfect for Quarry. Jerry loved big powerful punchers who gave you space. Mac Foster was another. Quarry could take his time, and out-speed and time them with counterpunches. They started hesitating and it got worse.

Jimmy Young was a jabber who lacked power. He beat Lyle and Foreman with the same battle plan: jabs, quick counters, speed, footwork, and slickness.

Frazier probably would have beaten Young at his best—similar to the way Mike Tyson crushed guys like Michael Spinks, Tony Tubbs, Larry Holmes, Truth Williams, Bruce Seldon, and Tyrell Biggs. They lacked the power to keep Mike off. Young lacked power, and it’s doubtful he could keep Frazier at bay. Obviously power was Foreman’s chief commodity.

Posted June 6, 2014 3:22 pm 


TARK

Kent… I doubt Norton’s somewhat vulnerable chin would be an issue against Frazier. Norton’s chin held up well against guys like Ali, Quarry, Kirkman, and Stander.

Frazier couldn’t hurt big guys like Cummings, Bugner, Ali, Bonavena, or Foreman with his best shots, and Norton was harder to hit by a guy Frazier’s height. He learned how to handle Frazier’s hook in years of sparring sessions.
Norton was handling Frazier by the end of their sparring together.

A thumb went go into George Chuvalo’s eye early in their fight. It was really the deteriorating condition of Chuvalo’s eye that stopped that contest..

Posted June 6, 2014 3:19 pm 


laj

Yep Purrity was a real loser. Let’s see he fought to a draw with Tommy Morrison knocking him down twice within a year of Morrison spanking big George in an easy fight for Tommy. How many times did George knock Tommy down, Now let’s see 0. Purrity was a mismanaged fighter, not elite, but not a bum either. Otherwise that must mean Tommy Morrison and Big George are bums also? He was getting beaten easily by Wlad who had less than three weeks between fights, fought at his lowest weight in 4 years (~222lbs), lost almost 8 lbs in the three weeks between fights. Purrity outweighed Wlad by 25 lbs at fight time, and Wlad just plain wore out. Bad loss for sure, but Wlad never stopped fighting, it was his corner, the same one that mismanaged him that threw in the towel, incorrectly. Wlad didn’t have the luxury of having a Dundey, Roach or Steward on his team at that time.

Posted June 6, 2014 3:14 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., Wladimir had technical issues until he was under the coaching expertise of Emmanuel Steward for 3 or 4 years. You can’t correct technical issues overnight.

Wladimir is 38 and unbeaten for over 10 years… Ali suffered his 4th loss at age 38… Frazier was trashed at a much earlier age and far fewer fights… Norton suffered his 4th KO loss by that age.

And if Foreman was an ATG hitter? Well… He couldn’t handle feather punching Jimmy Young’s jab and movement… He couldn’t keep his butt off the canvas in losing to a newbie with a 19-5 record.

And Wladimir is still getting better… and is a much better fighter at age 38 than any of those guys were… He’s an ATG as well and is bigger and stronger than any of them.

David Haye, Chris Byrd, and Eddie Chambers were pretty slick boxer on the order of a Jimmy Young… Wladimir barely lost a round to the 3 of them in 4 fights.

Posted June 6, 2014 3:11 pm 


Anonymous

benn beats hagler. LMFAO.

Posted June 6, 2014 2:09 pm 


The Facts

Wlad smashes the likes of Joe Frazier prime for prime in any match up. Frazier’s 1970’s chugging forward left hook happy style was primitive..He defended the title against guys like Ron Stander…Lamon Brewster was getting the Beating of a Lifetime in the first Klitschko fight and some refs might have stopped that fight in the fourth round. He hadn’t won a round and was on Queer Street.. strange ending, possibly dodgy goings-on behind the scenes Vegas-style. Wlad didn’t give him a chance in the rematch.

Posted June 6, 2014 1:53 pm 


Gr33nFather

Nortan by brutal K.O… Wrong fight for Frazier :(

Posted June 6, 2014 1:32 pm 


Anonymous

youre obsessed with tark!!! even worse than ernie!!!

Posted June 6, 2014 1:18 pm 


SREDMOND

One of Fraziers losses was in the 14th round of a BRUTAL fight with one of the Top 2 or 3 HW’s in history by most intelligent standards Ali…. Meanwhile Tark thinks Ross Purrity was a SERIOUS foe that knocked off Wladdy…

Posted June 6, 2014 12:53 pm 


SREDMOND

CLASSIC TARK WLAD GOT SMUSHED BY 3 RELATIVE SCRUBS Frazier at least was stopped by Foreman who is an ATG….Tark gets irate if anyone mentions Wlads shameful early nights but derides Frazier for his losses to at least a REAL fighter in Foreman….. ESB FOOL…TARK

Frazier got stopped 3 times. For a guy who avoided some of the top punchers of his day, and was supposed to have a rock-hard chin, that says something. Norton was only stopped 4 times I believe — all by bigger, taller guys than Frazier, who was under 5’11″. Now when Jose Luis Garcia flattened Norton, Ken was pretty green and easier to hit.

Garcia weighed only 188 for Ken, but he was a tall skinny bomber like Wilder.

Again… Norton wanted the Frazier fight. Frazier knew Ken was too big and strong for him — and refused the matchup.

Posted June 5, 2014 5:10 pm

Posted June 6, 2014 12:51 pm 


Kent

My idea of Frazier using the right hand more effectively was based on the actual fight that took place during this time, Frazier vs Quarry 2, where his right hand contributed heavily to his dominance in that fight.

Although Frazier vs Norton is an entirely different fight I do think Frazier could have used this strategy here as well as most people did not expect him to use the right hand so much as opponents didn’t expect it.

I also thought that Frazier had, as was the case in the actual history that did take place, two more great fights, vs Quarry 2, one of the best perfomances of his career, and of course Ali vs Frazier 3 even in a losing effort.

I know some people think Frazier ducked fighters like Lyle and Shavers who hit hard because of how he was kayoed early by Foreman but I believe that Frazier took on the best fighter that was available to get him another chance to fight for the title. Recall that during the previous year before Frazier/Quarry 2 Quarry had beaten both Lyle and Shavers and I believe that Joe would have fought at least one of them if they had beaten Quarry.

Also boxing is a money game and Joe stood to make more money taking on Quarry than he would have made fighting Lyle or Shavers who really were at the top of their game later on after 1974 when Frazier/Quarry 2 took place and when my fictional Frazier/Norton would have taken place.

Posted June 6, 2014 9:41 am 


curtley

Duran vs Armstrong, now that would have been a tear up!

Posted June 6, 2014 9:16 am 


curtley

dinovelevet, you are a moron, of cause Hagler would have beaten Benn as he was possibly the greatest MW of all time, but to call a 2 time world champion warrior second rate just shows you the problem with so called boxing fans these days!

Posted June 6, 2014 9:13 am 


Arthur Miller

Frazier would ko Norton in the battle of good 70’s hw’s who gave entertainment, but who didn’t face the questioning of their worth and over cynical analysis by internet trolls that the modern fighters do.

Posted June 6, 2014 7:53 am 


dinovelevet

Be like Marvelous v Minter and Sibson all over again, hahahahahahahaha!

Posted June 6, 2014 7:39 am 


dinovelevet

Hagler crushes the British second rater Benn, 2 smart and educated a southpaw puncher for a wide open brawler like Benn.

Posted June 6, 2014 7:37 am 


mack

I happen to think that Frazier would stop Norton. Big punchers like Foreman, Shavers, and, much later, Cooney, were able to get to Norton very early. Norton had a good jab, but not as good as Ali, and Frazier was able to land on him. Also, Norton had an odd style, his head cocked to his right, well in the path of the Frazier left hook. Also, he had an unusual stance with his back foot “in the bucket.” He would not be able to elude Frazier with Ali like speed. Norton, though, was the bigger man, but not overpowering like Foreman. It would have been a great fight, but I would give theedge to Frazier.

Posted June 6, 2014 7:18 am 


DMX

Sadly mate where I live now, not had much of a chance to cast an eye on the young lad
Only what I read on the blogs and boxing news etc
Has given seasoned champs like Froch great sparring and seems really level headed
(Unlike the old man)
Style wise he is allegedly better than Snr , but having said that unorthadox was big Chris’s game

From what I read
I would be pressing for a fight with Mathew Macklin who I believe is ready to go
Mac the knife won’t want it of course
But that’s when a good promoter ” makes sure the fight happens”

Posted June 6, 2014 6:16 am 


Henry miller

Dmx
Off topic…what are ur thoughts on Eubanks junior?

Posted June 6, 2014 6:03 am 


DMX

Henry
I would be happy to challenge you on that claim as Eubanks No 1 overseas fan
as ringside for Benn v Eubank I &II
Was in Brighton to see him head butt Dan Sherry, me and my little crew followed him around the Country to see him live loads of times, sadly beat Michael Watson which took a little out of Chris

My last live fight to see the toughest man in British a Boxing was a trip to Shefield to watch Eubank v Another hero of mine Carl Thompson

Don’t get me wrong
I love Eubank but for style purposes Benn gets the nod against Hagler

Happy Days . . .

Posted June 6, 2014 6:01 am 


Henry miller

Duran, indeed. Is per chance Mosley too nice to beat the martial barbarian in Duran? I don’t know but feel Duran was indestructible at LW.

Posted June 6, 2014 5:57 am 


Henry miller

I’ve had 5 minutes to contemplate who wins haggler Benn . I can’t go past haggler to be honest . He could weather storms. My memory is a tad patchy these days, but Benn had great body shots and that would be fun to see how haggler contends with that treatment.

Posted June 6, 2014 5:54 am 


DMX

Well mate
Tried to find a space on the fight card for all my immortals

That’s how poor Manny ended up at Super Bantam
But for pure reasons of absolute carnage
could not look past the other weights he may have earned a spot

And against Ringeondeaux . . . .
Wow he has got his work cut out for him

Peak Duran v Mosely at Leightweight is maybe my favourite . . .

Posted June 6, 2014 5:52 am 


Henry miller

DMX
I am possibly the number 1 Eubanks follower outside the UK. Mr monocle. Lol! I know from the Benn fights that he, Benn, could and would have a crack.

Posted June 6, 2014 5:45 am 


Henry miller

…also haye Holyfield, nice. Haye is exceptional at that weight, and Holyfield, well what more can be said about THE man who smiled with contended self belief each time he walked into the ring.

Posted June 6, 2014 5:43 am 


DMX

Henry
Glad Hagler v Benn intrigues you as it does me
No . . Benn was not the best fighter of his generation but that’s not what this list is about

Posted June 6, 2014 5:41 am 


Henry miller

Dmx
Talk abt food for thought on those fantasy fights!
I could go on all day, but happily for you I won’t.
But I will contend:
Benn haggler, that’s my fave from your list. Tsyu : I will rankle many fellow antipodeans by saying he’s not as good as we think. Tua, completely one dimensional and he would be out in 2 or 3 rounds. And finally, two thumbs up for the nelson naseem, that would be a cracker and nelson for me was a very special fighter who would end winning that eccentric match up!

Posted June 6, 2014 5:36 am 


Henry miller

Oops… 70s not 80s I mean. Me paenitet!

Posted June 6, 2014 5:24 am 


Kent

My idea of Frazier using the right hand more effectively was based on the actual fight that took place during this time, Frazier vs Quarry 2, where his right hand contributed heavily to his dominance in that fight.

Although Frazier vs Norton is an entirely different fight I do think Frazier could have used this strategy here as well as most people did not expect him to use the right hand so much as opponents didn’t expect it.

I also thought that Frazier had, as was the case in the actual history that did take place, two more great fights, vs Quarry 2, one of the best perfomances of his career, and of course Ali vs Frazier 3 even in a losing effort.

I know some people think Frazier ducked fighters like Lyle and Shavers who hit hard because of how he was kayoed early by Foreman but I believe that Frazier took on the best fighter that was available to get him another chance to fight for the title. Recall that during the previous year before Frazier/Quarry 2 Quarry had beaten both Lyle and Shavers and I believe that Joe would have fought at least one of them if they had beaten Quarry.

Also boxing is a money game and Joe stood to make more money taking on Quarry than he would have made fighting Lyle or Shavers who really were at the top of their game later on after 1974 when Frazier/Quarry 2 took place and when my fictional Frazier/Norton would have taken place.

Posted June 6, 2014 5:22 am 


Henry miller

A terrific fantasy article Kent. You have opened yourself up to disagreement for sure, and isn’t that the point.
My modest and amatuer point of view is this: the result depends on WHEN the fight would have happened . 1974 Norton wins by decision. A couple of years earlier Frazier wins by TKO.
Early 80s I can’t see Frazier losing this. Simply he would take anything Norton could offer and his vicious lefts would in later rounds end the fight. By 74 Frazier would have slowed enough to have a less effective attack and Norton would have more in his favour.
I love both these guys and would loved to have seen it in any year!

Posted June 6, 2014 5:20 am 


hookoffthejab

limp longdong you forgot this match up ….. justin bieber vs miley cyrus….

Posted June 6, 2014 4:50 am 


DMX

You crack me up

Posted June 6, 2014 4:19 am 


limp shlong

I would at least 7 or 8 dollars to see those

Posted June 6, 2014 4:15 am 


limp shlong

My wish list.

Batman vs robin.

Santa vs the easter bunny.

Superman against Godzilla.

Godzilla vs lockness monster.

Oj Simpson against Jeffrey dahmer

Freddy kruger vs your momma.

Ratboy vs santas elfs.

Kingg kong vs little debbie snack cake girl.

Posted June 6, 2014 4:14 am 


ImJustSayin

YOOOO DMX stop reading my thoughts bro!

Posted June 6, 2014 4:07 am 


DMX

This is my All Time Boxing Wish List of Immortal Fights that “Never Were”

Heavyweight
Lennox Lewis v Ike Ikebuchi
Mike Tyson v David Tua

Cruiserweight
David Haye v Evander Holyfield

Light Heavyweight
Roy Jones v Michael Moorer

Super middleweight
Joe Calzaghe v Andre Ward

Middleweight
Marvin Hagler v Nigel Benn

Light Middleweight
Tommy Hearns v Terry Norris

Welterweight
Sugar Ray Robinson v Floyd Mayweather

Light Welterweight
Julio Cesar Chavez v Kostya Tsyzu

Lightweight
Roberto Duran v Shane Mosely

Super Featherweights
Diego Corrales v Arturo Gatti

Featherweights
Azumah Nelson v Naseem Hamed

Super Bantamweight
Guillermo Rigondeaux v Manny Pacquaio

What would you bid on eBay for a Ringside seat at this Extravaganza of Fights that Never Happened?

PS
Yes Nigel Benn
But he is in there for a sadistic brutal reason . .

Posted June 6, 2014 3:57 am 


Cary Grant

Yep HIdalgo really ripped TARK a new hole on that other thread, just laid him out as the scoochmonkey that he is.

That was a monologue, it cut right to the bone and really blew away the cobwebs disguising TARKS fragile frame.

Posted June 6, 2014 3:45 am 


limp shlong

In japan wi stab in the ear bone with chop stick.

Posted June 6, 2014 2:33 am 


Scooby

Mayweather is a btich axx ho

Posted June 6, 2014 1:21 am 


Rustybucket

Probably favour Frazier to grind out a decision or possibly a late tko.
Norton had an awkward style best suited against tall boxers.

Against volume punchers or heavy hitters, he was not as effective.

Posted June 6, 2014 12:13 am 


PEEJ

BScene: How much do you want a fight with Floyd Mayweather?

Garcia: “I don’t really care about it. I’m trying to build my own legacy. If it happens, it happens. If it don’t, I’m just going to continue what I do and just keep winning”

BScene: Why don’t you care about it? It’s the biggest money fight possible.

Garcia: ” Yeah, it’s money, but at the end of the day, money doesn’t device who I am. I want to build my own legacy. I feel like I can build my own legacy beating the best fighters now.”

Posted June 6, 2014 12:12 am 


PEEJ

Tark your a dumb BTICH. Did you not see him on Showtime and he said he is gonna fight at 140 again and then probably fight at 143 or so then 147. He said it on Showtime sitting right next to Broner and said Broner would take over 140 ya dumb BTICH.

Posted June 6, 2014 12:04 am 


TARK

PEEJ.., You’re a dumb fk. Before his last fight Garcia said he wanted to fight Floyd.

Posted June 5, 2014 11:37 pm 


eric

Chicken weathers nuf said

Posted June 5, 2014 11:28 pm 


PEEJ

Tark that is a lie. Garcia stated he is not chasing Floyd and that he was going to move to 147 gradually. You are full of lies. Of course he said if he was offered a fight he would probably take it for the money but he wasn’t looking to fight Floyd right now. So stop with your lies.

Posted June 5, 2014 10:32 pm 


TARK

Norton was too big and strong for Frazier. He boxed so many rounds with Joe that he learned how to handle his left hook and use his superior size and strength on Frazier.

When you box with somebody for a long time you learn how to deal with them, and that’s why Norton eventually started taking over their sparring sessions.

Just like Ali learned from the 1st Ali-Frazier fight. Frazier was a monotonous left hooker so you knew what was coming.

Posted June 5, 2014 10:10 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

Their were quite a few fighters of the same era that never fought, along with Norton vs Frazier not happening there was… Foreman vs Holmes, Holmes vs Frazier, Frazier vs Shavers and Shavers vs Foreman.

Posted June 5, 2014 10:07 pm 


TARK

PEEJ.., That’s a lie. Garcia said very specifically before his last fight that he wanted to fight Floyd.

Arum has said repeated often that he would be very happy to make May-Pac, and Pac has often said he has a phone line open 24/7, just for Floyd or his people.. So that’s another lie.

In contrast, Floyd has stated he DOESN’T want to fght Pacquiao.

Posted June 5, 2014 10:03 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

Interesting article, good what if? fight. Both Frazier and Norton gave Ali his toughest fights but both got bombed out by Foreman. At his best Norton could mix it up with the best of them but had a tendency to get stopped by big punchers and although I don’t see Frazier stopping Norton early like many others I think he wears Ken down and stops him in the late rounds.

Posted June 5, 2014 9:57 pm 


PEEJ

Funny but Garcia said he wasn’t looking for a Floyd fight so hard to duck someone when you are not looking to fight that person. Also I read that they are close to making a Garcia vs Floyd fight. What has Thurman done to earn a shot? Who has he beaten at Welterweight to get the shot? He will be ready next year. Unfortunately Arum doesn’t want Pac anywhere near Floyd. That is why he comes up with the lame excuses that he has come up with.

Posted June 5, 2014 9:24 pm 


The Prince

Styles make fights and Joe Frazier would have knocked Norton out. Norton was great going forward, but couldn’t fight backwards at all. This is why he was good against other boxers like Ali and Holmes, but bad against pressure fighters like Foreman.

Posted June 5, 2014 9:23 pm 


Mayeather ducks

Manny
Danny Garcia
Keith Thurman
…feel free to join in

Posted June 5, 2014 9:09 pm 


The oracle of Delphi

Frazier beats Norton.

Posted June 5, 2014 8:48 pm 


Lets Box

Tua vs Tyson
Chavez sr vs Duran
Forrest vs De LA hoya
Prince Nasim vs Pacquiao
Mayweather vs Tszyu

Posted June 5, 2014 8:00 pm 


Anonymous

TARK

hidalogs post

Posted June 5, 2014 7:45 pm 


Anonymous

TARK

did you read that post regarding you,

article mayweather juniors planned june trip to u.k.

Posted June 5, 2014 7:36 pm 


Jim

Norton was not that hard to hit. Frazier threw a pretty wicked hook. I could see Frazier landing first and stopping Norton. Cooney put Norton in never-never land. Foreman in his prime was the only guy to really smack Frazier around.

Posted June 5, 2014 7:36 pm 


Anthony

Styles make fights. The criss cross defense of the immobile Norton wouldn’t stop Frazier from landing bomb after bomb. That style may have given Ali fits, but offers nothing but a target against a straight ahead slugger.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:57 pm 


D

wladimir was in far better shape for his last fight than frazier ever was. he came in a rock hard 6’7″ x 248 at 38

joe frazier v jumbo cummings was two rotund punch bags who could barely walk

Posted June 5, 2014 6:30 pm 


Hosteen

Thought this was going to be another Slater “What If” article

Posted June 5, 2014 5:37 pm 


TARK

Frazier got stopped 3 times. For a guy who avoided some of the top punchers of his day, and was supposed to have a rock-hard chin, that says something. Norton was only stopped 4 times I believe — all by bigger, taller guys than Frazier, who was under 5’11”. Now when Jose Luis Garcia flattened Norton, Ken was pretty green and easier to hit.

Garcia weighed only 188 for Ken, but he was a tall skinny bomber like Wilder.

Again… Norton wanted the Frazier fight. Frazier knew Ken was too big and strong for him — and refused the matchup.

Posted June 5, 2014 5:10 pm 


Fight Aficionado

ESPN Classic showed Ali-Frazier III the other night which I watched for the first time in awhile. By 1975 Frazier was already in decline. His endurance was still good but the pop on his hook wasn’t as big. Given Norton came along late in Frazier’s career I’d take Norton by decision.

Posted June 5, 2014 5:09 pm 


Boxtradamus

Frazier had too much power for Norton to HANDLE. It would last LESS than 5 rounds. There was no need for the fight to happen as we all know what the outcome would have been since I have shared my knowledge with you all!!!!! I am the greatest fight PROPHET ever born!!!!

Posted June 5, 2014 4:18 pm 


big moe

Wait…according to those hate the new school, frazier fought “everybody”. So since this fight didnt happen that throws that notion out the window

Posted June 5, 2014 3:31 pm 


yo

Do Tyson/ Tua

Bowe/ Lewis

Tyson/ Ibeabuchi

Michael Nunn/ Ray Leonard

Posted June 5, 2014 3:25 pm 


Anonymous

bang on.

Posted June 5, 2014 2:57 pm 


Anonymous

The smaller fight gloves would have made a big difference than sparring gloves

Posted June 5, 2014 2:52 pm 


Original Pechanga

Great story.

Ken Norton was one of the best, but he kept his hands low, which led to his first loss.

I’d say FRAZIER would win.

Posted June 5, 2014 2:41 pm 


John Wilkinson

Kent Appel become a >good friend</yeah Frazier the greater. Not much doubt about that. No shame!

Posted June 5, 2014 2:35 pm 


Drew

Joe had way too much for Norton. No contest.

Posted June 5, 2014 2:18 pm 


Anonymous

undisputed.that word is long gone in boxing.

Posted June 5, 2014 2:06 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Arr: Here we go! May favourite subject of ducker’s & diver’s + boxing politics!
Well here’s some for you!
John L.Sullivan vs Peter Jackson.
Victor Gallindez vs John Conteh.
Lennox Lewis vs Riddick Bowe.
& a trilogy between Brian Mitchell, Azuma Nelson & Marry McGuigan.
As we stand right now the general boxing public wish to see, Golovkin in agaiant S.G.Martinez & PBF vs Pacman + any super-bantamweight take on Guillermo Rigodeaux.
All we want is a #1 undisputed champion @ any weight division!

Posted June 5, 2014 1:51 pm 


TJ

TARK, how much better would Smokin’ Joe have been if he had 20/20 vision in both eyes? I know he was blind or almost blind, in one eye, not too sure how long this was the case, but I read he couldn’t even see Ali in the Thrilla In Manila fight.

Whatever people say about Smokin’ Joe, he was the epitome of what hard work and dedication to the sport could achieve. He had to take hellacious punishment to get inside where he could really tee off on other fighters and I for one am glad SYLVESTER STALLONE got him on the silver screen in ROCKY.

Joe Frazier, RIP…. ATG.

Posted June 5, 2014 1:51 pm 


Kent

I know, darn typos, thanks for pointing it out, it has been faxed, oops, I mean fixed! Lol!

Kent

Posted June 5, 2014 1:34 pm 


TARK

How about Holmes vs Foreman??? Both were the same age… both were ATG Heavyweight Champions… Both had careers that stretched over 30 calendar years from start to finish.

What about May-Pac??? … It will always take two willing combatants to fight.

If one guy won’t fight??? Guess what? … It’s like talking Tunney vs Marciano

Posted June 5, 2014 1:17 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

what if C-A-T really spelled DOG?

Posted June 5, 2014 12:52 pm 


TARK

Norton wanted the fight… Frazier didn’t… and it figures

Norton would have won by a wide UD. Ken was not a huge puncher and DID have a vulnerable chin — but Ken was too big and strong for Frazier by that time and both men knew it.

For as long as Frazier continued to dominate Norton they continued to spar… When Norton started taking over they stopped sparring.

Frazier was a blunt guy. He made no bones about not wanting to fight Norton… Shavers… Lyle… or Blue Lewis… The only big, tall, powerful, hard puncher Joe ever fought was Foreman … not a particularly good style for him.

Posted June 5, 2014 12:47 pm 


mephisto

brazilian boxing fan wishes it were “verses”. Lol.

Posted June 5, 2014 12:35 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

VERSUS……:) That fight would have been a war….They had wars in sparring sessions….I read that in each man autobiographies…..The same would have happened in a fight where it counted…

Posted June 5, 2014 12:25 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

VERSES???

Posted June 5, 2014 11:15 am 



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