PigMan sorry he is not the second best right now. He holds the belt yes but a young lion like Price or Pulev would give him hell. These are some serious and threatening contenders starting to emerge. Some of these guys are just as tall as Vitali and could dethrone the ATG. His best days are past, he will always be great but it is time to hang up the gloves. I don’t want to see him beaten and I don’t want to see him fight another CharrPosted October 21, 2012 1:00 pm
Beer party aka Unbiased Dane
qau : when did Vitali look really bad ??, at 40 he still beat a young fighter with despite an injury. He is past his prime, no wonder at 41 but he is still the second best out there.Posted October 20, 2012 6:14 pm
Haye’s style is tailer made for Vitlai. Vitali will take Haye to the cleaners.Posted October 20, 2012 11:34 am
price and pulev right now would take vitali. Haye vs vitali would be interesting. Vitali needs to call it a day……awesome careerPosted October 20, 2012 8:04 am
Haye “thinks” alot.. He thought he could beat Wladimir too. How’d that turn out for him?Posted October 20, 2012 1:19 am
Vitali has been an ATG and he has nothing left to prove to anyone, even as a British boxing fan, I feel a little uneasy about the possibility of Haye trying to claim undue glory y squeezing past what increasingly looks like a diminished and distracted Vitali.
The only way Vitali can look bad coming out of this for me, is if he does fight again, but against another Charr instead of Haye.Posted October 20, 2012 1:14 am
“Haye wanted no part of Vitali until he started to look really bad” – a really good point. In other words, Haye is not man enough to face the prime VK.Posted October 20, 2012 12:13 am
Vitaliy has zero to nothing to prove anyone that he can take a punch or whatever, he was not down any time in his professional days… Taking straight uppercut from Lennox in the late rounds can tell the story alone… And Haye is not LL by far. This fight is more the testament to finish his boxing career with one of the most decorating fighters today. And for Hey it is to get W overt today’s best fighter and get lots of cash… It should be interesting fight.Posted October 19, 2012 5:18 pm
The Wladimir-Haye fight wasn’t action packed—but on the other hand it wasn’t Ali-Evangelista or Bryd-Williamson either.. Both Wladimir and Haye landed tremendous shots and their faces told that story.. They were both shooting for a KO but they’re both masterful defenders … Wladimir could afford to go after Eddie Chambers like gangbusters because Chambers was no threat to rip his head off … The fight was an interesting exhibition of slipping jabs, straight rights, and short left hooks.Posted October 19, 2012 4:49 pm
There seems to be a great many questions concerning Price’s ability to take punishment from a power hitter. A match with Haye would go a long way as to providing answers to such questions and would prove to be quite lucrative to both fighters in the process.Posted October 19, 2012 4:35 pm
drago, how could anyone possibly watch that awful fight more than once? You are a better man than mePosted October 19, 2012 1:08 pm
trust me Haye and klit will never come off even if it did it would be the same haye who fought vlad and Haye would get beat. Haye will probably fight fury or price , he says he wouldn’t fight either but he’s a salesman just like fraudley anfd wants to make as much as he can before the gravy train comes to an end.
Think Audley and Haye should link up and open up a How to be a good opps mean dodgey saleman franchise lol.Posted October 19, 2012 11:48 am
Haye balance is awful. I just re watched Wald x Haye for like the 10th time, and I don’t see how anyone can call that close or something. Wlad tagged Haye all night (mostly jabs and “weaker” stuff). The “haymaker” by the end indeed just pissed Wlad of (a lil bit).Posted October 19, 2012 11:26 am
If it happens it will be a good contest. But, I think Vitali, even in his older age, takes Haye to the cleaners. Haye’s style is perfect for Vitali’s style. Vitali is an excellent counter puncher, and when Haye swings, he leaves himself wide open for good counters. Plus Vitali has excellent footwork allowing him to punch and counter punch from all angles. Haye at times leads with his face, and he will get tatooed on his pretty face. Vitali’s size and reach will be a problem for Haye as well as Vitali has a good chin. And look at the nice right hand-haymaker Haye landed on Wlad in th late rounds, it did nothing to Wlad but wake him up. I think Haye is in a world of hurt with Vitali, and Vitali will destroy him like he destroyed Sanders. Lets get it on. Sign up boys and let the fight happen. We all want to see Haye get flattened.Posted October 19, 2012 11:16 am
Vitali will be retired by this time next year.We will see…..God bless……kenny weldonPosted October 19, 2012 11:14 am
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Haye changed his mind about fighting Vitali at one point—pulling out of negotiations and fighting Valuev for less than half the money… When he broke his toe 3 weeks before the Wladimir fight he hid the injury from the fans, the media, and doctors until after the fight. A dumb move. He was supposed to do an open air workout for the fans 5 days before the fight. About 25,000 fans showed up, Haye walked in very stiffly hit the mitts for 2 minutes and then left, to everyone’s utter amazement … When Wladimir or Vitali suffered training camp injuries on 6 different occasions they made it clear to everyone—and first postposed, and finally cancelled their fights rather than risk a stinky performance … Haye made some strategic blunders with his career, and one is being massively inactive while he’s at his peak because he doesn’t like putting his body through the rigors of a high intensity training camp… It doesn’t get any easier as you get older. Ask the K Bros.Posted October 19, 2012 10:45 am
Christov ; Wlad is not that good , since he did not beat a ” hall of famer ” .
Haye had his chance earlier to fight Vitali but at that time he felt it was too risky. Active fighters would always be more worthy than a retired fighter no matter how good he is surposed to be. I think that most boxing fans would like to see a fight between Vitali and Haye, but many have problems with Hayes behavior, and he already had one easy way to a titlefight against a Klitchko. And Haye wasnt willing to risk everything to beat Wlad even when he knew he needed a KO. That could change if only he is willing to fight a couple of top rated fighters. But apparently nothing has changed.Posted October 19, 2012 9:34 am
christov: who should Wlad fight then? Henelnius, Povetkin and Fury already said they don’t feel ready. There’s not many leftPosted October 19, 2012 9:16 am
christov stop using drugs lolPosted October 19, 2012 7:30 am
And Chael Sonnen deserves a shot at Jon Jones.Posted October 18, 2012 11:02 pm
Patrick2 – How many Klitschko challengrs can you name from the last few years who held recent wins over ” a couple of top 10 heavies?
If David Haye doesn`t deserve a shot at Vitali, then who does? Or who does AND wants to take the shot?Posted October 18, 2012 10:35 pm
Typo: please do us a favorPosted October 18, 2012 10:09 pm
Didn,t this guy have a chance with Vitali,and chickened out before? Didn,t he promise to take heads off from both Klitchko,s? Didn,t he kiss Wlad,s trunk,s 12 rds? David Fake did not deserve another title shot or our attention-he cheated us.Go away cheeter for good, plese do us afavor.Posted October 18, 2012 10:05 pm
Gee, David, you look so cute with Linus’ blanket wrapped around your head.Posted October 18, 2012 10:01 pm
kosciuszko says…, “The Charr fight was completely political; Charr was one of only a few fighters willing to fight Vitali in Ukraine” …. The Vitali-Charr fight WASN’T in the Ukraine it was in Moscow.—that’s in Russia FYI. Haye would certainly be willing to fight Vitali in Russia, Germany, England, or America. But I just think it’s over. Whether Vitali wins the election or not he’s 41 and his future is in politics …. One of his political heros is President Obama so it would be cool if he wins this election and brings a Ukrainian delegation to Washington in a couple years to set up trade agreements or whatever …. He’s a pretty smart guy who speaks several languages so I hope he’s eventually a world leader. Politics is a tougher game than Boxing.Posted October 18, 2012 9:28 pm
If I was Vitali, I’d tell Haye to go EARN his way back to a title shot — to go defeat a couple Top-10 heavies to prove you’re hungry, and worthy, of another chance.Posted October 18, 2012 7:46 pm
Haye will never fight Price or Fury you can bet on that. Haye believes he is true world class, he knew that the only reasons to fight Audley (easy payday) and Chisora (gave Vit a good battle, easy payday) would generate interest from the networks. Neither Price nor Fury are up to his ego. And say he was to get past Vitali? What next? A tomato can, then retirement for good.Posted October 18, 2012 5:35 pm
Ive just heard through the grapevine Tyson Fury is fughting Tony Grano on december 1st. Tony freakin Grano!!! Somehow Grano is rated in the WBCs top 10Posted October 18, 2012 4:54 pm
Kosciusko – Vitali didn`t tear a shoulder muscle. He had a partial ligament tear. Muscles join to bone by tendons and when you tear a muscle of a tendon it can severly hamper your ability to move that muscle effectively. A ligament joins a bone to another bone, and in the shoulder this is essentially halping to keep the joint stable through a full range of motion. Vitali could still use the arm, just with not as much confidence. It can never be truly accurate to put figures on it, but a partial tendon tear might mean he was using the arm at say 50%, not that he was one-handed. I admire how Vitali dealt with this by standing his ground and using well placed lead rights, and still just using the left on occasion to range find or set up the right, it was well done. He is 40 now though, and has had issues with his shoulders more than once, so it really wouldn`t be a surprise if he had another shoulder issue while fighting Haye (in which he would be throwing a missing a lot of punches) – the fact he gets injured now has to figure into how we assess his chances vs anyone.
I still think he would beat Haye, but just not by the knockout he wants. I thikn he should retire really though, he has been one of the greatest Heavies of all time but he looks slower, and there isn`t really a great great fight out there for him to stay around for since he can`t fight his brother.Posted October 18, 2012 4:54 pm
I think a lot of you are very much underestimating the matchup between Vitali and Chisora, and letting this influence your judgements. Remember, Vitali tore a shoulder muscle in the third round, and still went the distance with a very good pressure fighter. Effectively, he fought one handed, and even at 40, beat Chisora relatively comfortably. At no point was he in any danger was he? The Charr fight was completely political; Charr was one of only a few fighters willing to fight Vitali in Ukraine, giving Vitali much needed press coverage in the run up to his election.
It`s not “older” guys that Haye decides to stand there and trade with, it is guys close to his own size and when he has fought anyone close to his own size (e.g. everyone other than Wlad and Valuev) he has knocked almost all of them out. Ruiz might not have been the greatest but it was over 10 years since he was stopped by Tua till Haye managed to do it, Ruiz had faced Holyfield, Johnson, Oquendo, JOnes Jnr, Rahman, Golota, TOney, Valuev and Chagaev in that time). Chisora I think gets over-rated by a lot of fans, but the guys went in with Fury, Helenius and Vitali and at no point looked in any trouble, then he couldn`t make the halfway mark vs Haye.
to Getalife – exactly the same view. Wlad was so scared of hayemakers he did all the time his sticking strategy when there was any danger coming. styles make fights and wlad’s is always bad to match for interesting one, unfortunately. regardsPosted October 18, 2012 4:01 pm
Haye has a massive misconception—that training camps take it out of you and take years off your career.. He should check with his body. After every training camp he usually comes back sharper, stronger, and faster than the last camp. You get better, smarter, and faster until at least 34 if you train and fight knowledgeably.
Haye shouldn’t be taking more punishment in training camp than the fight. The idea is to spar with great speed and technique and not full power—to polish your technique and sharpen your reflexes. Guys who go to war in training camp DO have shorter careers. If your trainer has this “war” philosophy, dump him. “Gym” fighters don’t last long.
If you train for 6 months straight you take a month off. If you train for 3 months without a break you take 2 weeks off. After a 6-week camp you need a week off. If you don’t you’ll suffer injuries and lose more time.
If you take several months or years off from training—when you’re not injured—that’s the biggest abuse you can put on your body because you’re potentially stripping out months and years of training camps. But even when you take years off your body comes back strong after several months of training—as Vitali and Ali conclusively proved… Your muscle memory doesn’t fade for 12 years or more and you’ll tap right back into it after a few months of retraining and rebuilding your body. Even if Haye is training twice as hard as everyone else—and many boxers try this—he’s trying to do it to an optimum level and not overdo. If he doesn’t feel recovered after 8 hours of sleep he’s going to cut back a bit. There’s not a certain number of training camps you can do. As long as you’re well rested and free from injury you’ll be fine at his age.Posted October 18, 2012 2:36 pm
Haye wasn’t timid vs Chisora, who easily went the distance with Vitali and everyone else… Haye was giving up 37 pounds and he was a monster in there.Posted October 18, 2012 2:29 pm
Vitali is not as good as he used to be but is good enough to beat a small, low stamina fighter that has been timid against any HW with a pulse. I watched the Klitschko movie and man does Vitali look old now. But all throttle no bottle Haye isnt the guy……he wants the payday. Take the money and run…..literally. rip off his fans again.Posted October 18, 2012 2:16 pm
I disagree with the author…Yes Haye was really disappointing against Valuev and Wlad. BUt I think Vitali is there to be taken…by Haye on points….Posted October 18, 2012 12:15 pm
Vitali is going to win the election and retire from Boxing…I hope he wins i.e. Something he would have done 5 years ago if he won his last election.. However, there’s more corruption in politics than there is in Boxing.. If they’re using Diebold voting machines in Ukraine there Vitali doesn’t have any more chance at being elected than Al Gore did in 2000.Posted October 18, 2012 11:55 am
RAY GORDON REID
DAVID HAYE OH PLEASE 11. 55 AM 1O/18/2O12Posted October 18, 2012 11:53 am
Haye is not a Champion. He doesn’t give a flip about the fans. He’s just a pain in the ass. Period.Posted October 18, 2012 11:50 am
I think Haye would take Vitali now. Vitali is not the same man that smashed sanders, williams and went toe to toe with Lewis. There is a logical reason why his last opponent was Charr. Vitali should retire and give his belt to Price or Pulev. Haye can fight themPosted October 18, 2012 11:49 am
Price vs. Haye in 2013 is much more interesting right now than Haye vs. Old Vitali.Posted October 18, 2012 11:29 am
I hope this fight happens it’s the only HW one left that interests me.Posted October 18, 2012 11:14 am
“Haye thinks Vitali will want to fight him next year”, It’s nice to think isn’t it Haye.Posted October 18, 2012 10:17 am
Does he deserve the fight? Not really. Could he win it? I think he could. Wlad stayed out o danger because of his speed/reflexes, which was almost equal to Haye’s. With Vitali it’s a different storyPosted October 18, 2012 10:14 am
Женчo!…kubrаt ще те
Haye shoud fight British Heavy Weight Champ David Price first. Price would knock Haye out cold.Posted October 18, 2012 9:12 am
Screw haye !Posted October 18, 2012 9:10 am
Haye does not desrve a money spinning fight the champ. Let the champ retire and Haye can try and take the belt of little bro Wlad. Ohh wait he tried that alreadyPosted October 18, 2012 9:02 am
RAY GORDON REID
LETS WAIT AND SEE 8.25 AM 1O/18/2O12Posted October 18, 2012 8:22 am
after ur bs toe injury and the lame effort haye put in with the 1st klit fight he figures any of us wants to see him fight again? so he beat chisora, who cares. can’t wait for haye to hang em up. Which is exactly what he would have done if he lost the chisora fight. last payday? for sure and i wouldn’t walk across the street little loan pay any loot to watch you fight haye. Your skills are just like your mouth….garbage. peace ya’llPosted October 18, 2012 8:09 am
… I just wish Haye would keep busy in the mean-time. There are some good, winnable matchups of there for him such as Ademek, Povetkin aswell as Price and Fury on the domestic scene.Posted October 18, 2012 6:46 am
Trashing talking is good for the sport and I believe Haye may get his shot at Vitali.Posted October 18, 2012 6:42 am
” So I think that is some of the thinking David is undergoing.”
Layla, thanks for the feedback. However I think you have overlooked what I stated.
In my humble opinion Vitali has been the best heavyweight out there but relative to his former brilliance he is beginning to wane. However even in stating that, he would render most foes set before him senseless.
Swedish Boxing Fan
David Haye is a fine boxer in the ring but outside the ring he is not interesting based on that he is a trash talker and arrogant player who is tiresome to listen too and like many, I don’t feel he is that kind of trusty person in the end. Sure I would like to see a fight with Vitali Klitschko vs. David Haye but if it doesent happen, then Haye dont have any other to fight.Posted October 18, 2012 6:16 am
Vitali is slower now, agreed, but remember he sustained an injury early in the fight. Outboxed a brave and relentless chisora for the rest of the way with one arm. Styles makes fights huh, well, don’t mention that haye dispatched chisora in better fashion and run around using that as excuse to state that haye would beat an old Vitali. Remember like ya said, “styles makes fights” :) contradicted your self.Posted October 18, 2012 6:00 am
Haye wanted no part of Vitali until he he started to look really bad. Now at an age of 40+ Haye is all over him. Vitali is not the fighter he used to be, he has lost a lot of speed and his reflexes is pretty much gone. At this stage I give Haye a pretty good chance of beating him.Posted October 18, 2012 4:28 am
I do look forward to this bout if it gets made. However I do not think David will be running chicken for this bout, I actually believe he will engage far more aggressively than what he did on his Wladimir outing. Styles make fights and in no way do I doubt Vitali’s abilities but he relatively “struggled” to contain Chisora where as David dominated him in every round. So I think that is some of the thinking David is undergoing. I do not believe that Vitali is in the same state that he was when he fought Lennox and David is going to attempt to exploit that to his advantage.Posted October 18, 2012 3:16 am