You may be right, Hidalgo. I like santa Cruz, he’s a tough, scrappy fighter who throws a lot of punches and is willing to beat you by attrition if he needs to. I just have questions about his effectiveness when he steps up in class. He had difficulty against Cesar Seda, and I think Frampton, although largely unproven yet, is better than Seda. But again, this one is hard for me to call, and you may be absolutely right. Interesting fight. Hopefully the winner can truly prove his mettle and fight Rigondeaux.Posted April 10, 2014 11:53 am
“The luck of the Irish did not materialize for Frampton. He’s a talented and exciting fighter, who has the potential of dominating his division.”
This is true. But so does Santa Cruz and Leo visibly improves with every fight he has. He’s a very talented, skilled, tough kid who is a technically sound boxer and has good power. It would be a great fight, but Cruz would take care of Carl.Posted April 9, 2014 10:53 pm
Frampton’s Camp is not made up of idiots. Frampton can beat santa Cruz for a bigger purse. Frampton would get schooled and counterpunched silly by Rigondeaux; now or three years from now. But eventually, if he continues to win of course, he will have to fave Rigo. To be the Best you must beat the Best. Santa Cruz is not the best in that division. Rigo stands head and shoulders above everyone else at 122lbs. The luck of the Irish did not materialize for Frampton. He’s a talented and exciting fighter, who has the potential of dominating his division. The only problem is that he’s in the same weight class as a rare Master.Posted April 9, 2014 4:47 pm
“No offense pride, but you’re dreaming. Santa Cruz will take Carl out.”
Yep, I agree Hidalgo, and it will happen much faster than some of the ‘so called’ boxing experts here think. Frampton is made for Leo. Frampton gets smashed to bits and stopped.Posted April 8, 2014 11:56 am
Makes more sense money wise and experience wise for Frampton to get Santa Cruz and Quigg’s straps off them first, then go for Rigondeaux. People might be underestimating Quigg too, he doesnt get much ink, but hes a dangerous fighter, and at 25 yrs old, still improving.Posted April 8, 2014 10:04 am
“Santa Cruz is made for Carl to shine, and I really like Leo. Unfortunately, Santa Cruz would have to catch Carl with a lucky shot to change this outcome. Late TKO win for Frampton.”
No offense pride, but you’re dreaming. Santa Cruz will take Carl out.Posted April 7, 2014 11:36 pm
OF course Frampton wants Santa Cruz, Rigo is too skilled a boxer for him. Santa Cruz is made for Carl to shine, and I really like Leo. Unfortunately, Santa Cruz would have to catch Carl with a lucky shot to change this outcome. Late TKO win for Frampton.Posted April 7, 2014 9:04 pm
Terremoto by TKO in the late rounds…I say 10th.Posted April 7, 2014 6:23 pm
Whos crying?Posted April 7, 2014 3:14 pm
junior, grow up you cry baby.Posted April 7, 2014 2:10 pm
“the only idiot i know who picked cleverly to beat kovalev was billy no medals. but he was smoking tarmac at the time.”
Anonymous, I’m another “idiot” that picked Cleverly to beat Kovalev. But I though Nathan was a better boxer than Sergey and would fight smarter than he did. Clearly I was wrong.
Everybody has the chance of being wrong when they attempt to predict the outcome of a fight. For instance, Donaire was overwhelmingly favored to beat Rigondeaux, but look what happened. Look how many people thought Rios would KO Pacquiao. Who expected Chad Dawson to be knocked out by Adonis Stevenson in one round?
Regardless, it is what it is. Fortunately, I picked the correct outcome of the Pacquiao/Rios fight. :)Posted April 7, 2014 12:12 pm
“Santa Cruz is a come forward fighter, and those guys suit Frampton. ”
But Santa Cruz is also a technically-proficient fighter, who has a very good chin and amazing ring IQ for his age and experience. Leo is a true rising star. He’s not a perfect boxer, but he has what it takes to beat Frampton–at this stage in Frampton’s career, at least.Posted April 7, 2014 12:08 pm
Ive just done a quick google search on the betting odds before the Cleverly vs Kovalev fight and it seems it was pretty even! As many were backing Clev as were backing Krusher so looks like you input was worthless AGAIN!!!Posted April 7, 2014 11:17 am
Most of the British guys on here picked Cleverly to beat Kovalev i think. Based on how he busted up Murat and stood toe-2-toe pushing back Bellew i thought he would fight a smart fight and neutralise Kovalevs power. However he stood toe-2-toe with the Beast and got smashedPosted April 7, 2014 11:05 am
the only idiot i know who picked cleverly to beat kovalev was billy no medals. but he was smoking tarmac at the time.Posted April 7, 2014 10:37 am
You on the other hand are Anonymous. So you can and do deny any wrong picks, you just claim it was someone else. Your input is worthless so fcuk off!!!Posted April 7, 2014 10:16 am
Anonymous, i make predictions for hundreds of fights every year and i can count the amount of times i have been wrong on one hand (Burns vs Crawford, Rigo vs Donaire, Matthyse vs Garcia, Cleverly vs Kovalev) ………..Posted April 7, 2014 10:14 am
“Frampton is going to give Santa Cruz a good hard raping.”
This is boxing not rape. Clearly there isn’t a woman in the world who should be anywhere near a psycho like Turbo Hamster who should be locked up in a small room with no windows and never released.Posted April 7, 2014 9:38 am
“As always i stand by my prediction and i will be here after the fight right or wrong just like i held my hands up after i picked Cleverly to beat Kovalev , and Burns to beat Crawford. Peace”
And you’re going to be wrong AGAIN Junior.
I was gonna say you should be a weatherman, but they make better predictions than you! LOL
Santa Cruz by KO.Posted April 7, 2014 9:34 am
Frampton has already said some months back. If he beats Santa Cruz he will offer the next fight to Quigg. I personally think he needs 2 or 3 fights before goung in with Rigondeaux. Maybe 2016 will be right for him. Frampton doesnt need Rigondeaux at the moment, he’s still learning his trade, but Rigondeaux needs Frampton.
Te tumbo has just lost his freakin mind. Just when I thought we was cool he has to f… up everything. Rigo is the s..t. If you can’t see it then you are a moron. How does the Donaire fight not prove anything to you? When to most boxing pundits thought Rigo was gonna get iced. Tumbo you’ve lost your marbles this time.Posted April 7, 2014 6:22 am
Santa cruz is a face first fighter, and Frampton can seriously bang. Put those both together, add Framptons superior BOXING ability to the mix and the outcome aint looking good for Santa Cruz. As always i stand by my prediction and i will be here after the fight right or wrong just like i held my hands up after i picked Cleverly to beat Kovalev , and Burns to beat Crawford. PeacePosted April 7, 2014 6:02 am
LMAO @WHAT?!?!? still hanging onto the fact i picked Cleverly to upset Kovalev. Never mind all my correct predictions ehPosted April 7, 2014 5:59 am
Mick the Marmalizer
I see Rigo moving up in weight. He’s cleaned the division out @ 122Lb & run out of opposition. A move to featherweight is his only option if he’s to further his career.Posted April 7, 2014 2:29 am
“Cruz is not going to beat Frampton”
I want you ALL to remember that statement by TARK because once AGAIN he will proved WRONG!Posted April 6, 2014 11:48 pm
somebody asked if Rigo called up,Santa Cruz^^^….The fact is mexicans mentions a lot of cuban names,without real intention to fight them,happened with,Mikey,Canelo and Santa Cruz….in the case of >Santa>,,,,as soon as he mentioned Rigo,rico answered back,,,and then Santa,declared very candid,that his father did not gave his ok for this fight.
Santa Cruz will batter Frampton it won’t even be close, Frampton will be totally outclassed and KO’d wait and see.Posted April 6, 2014 11:46 pm
I believe Frampton fully intends to fight Rigondeaux…at the right time.
But why would he fight him next??? Instead of a more sensible approach of progressing his way up the ladder with Santa Cruz?Posted April 6, 2014 10:38 pm
Frampton knows that Rigo easily would beat him (Santa Cruz knows the same)… so is better to stay away from the best…Posted April 6, 2014 9:58 pm
SC- Absolutely foaming at the mouth for his love of a decent Mexican fighter. Of course only when it suits him to be Mexican, otherwise he claims to be an American. If Santa Cruz and JMM fought on the same card SC would explode in his pants.Posted April 6, 2014 9:50 pm
People should stop using Kiko as a yard stick as well. Martinez was domestic level at best and had already been beaten three times before Framton got to him.
Frampton needs another 3-5 fights before they step him up because they move him too early and gets a beating then it might be over for him.
They either rush fighters these days or stick them in with can after can and when they do finally step up with decent company they get found out.Posted April 6, 2014 9:21 pm
Santa Cruz will have too much for Frampton. Still too early. Frampton needs more rounds, bigger fights and better comp.
Santa Cruz has the experience, height and reach to keep Frampton on the outside all night long.Posted April 6, 2014 9:16 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Santa Cruz will be a big step-up in competition for Frampton. Carl and the McGuigan’s are wise to a decline a fight with Rigo for now because the kid is still too inexperienced. He’s has a good amateur pedigree, but is still an unpolished greenhorn compared to Rigo. I wouldn’t call that ducking, I’d call that being smart.
Carl has more KO power than Leo, so if he can slip his punches, get inside and land some big shots… he has a good chance. But I think Cruz will likely win — due his tremendous reach advantage — but won’t be able to stop Frampton. Has Rigo been calling out Santa Cruz???Posted April 6, 2014 8:09 pm
dwc, Frampton won’t beat Cruz. In fact, Cruz will likely TKO Carl.Posted April 6, 2014 7:19 pm
Damned straight dwc…Posted April 6, 2014 6:33 pm
@WHAT!?! Lol! You need to chill a bit, man, you’re way too harsh on the Frampton guy. Let the anger go, man, it’s not good for you…:)Posted April 6, 2014 6:25 pm
Tark…100% agree.Frampton fighting Cruz is a tough fight,yes Frampton could win this..but a lost isnt impossible aswell.And if Frampton beats Cruz he gets a world belt giving him more leverage in a fight against Rigo for all the marbels,plus he gets a great learning experence.Frampton is younger then Rigo and dosent have that amature background like Rigo(very few do)Theres no shame in not being ready for the top guy just yet and with Rigo he is a very top fighter one of the best.So prehaps Frampton picks up a world belt gets some solid fights under his belt then down the road meets Rigo…a wise plan overall.And yes Frampton is the real deal…this kid can fight.And with alittle more time his future will be brighter and brighter…just watch!!!Posted April 6, 2014 5:17 pm
Frampton’s got pretty good skills. Not surprised at his disinterest in facing Rigo though since he’d lose but would have a decent chance at beating Santa Cruz.Posted April 6, 2014 5:11 pm
Hahaha Oh Junior, we’ve been down this path before. You spewed the same rot for Cleverley and backed him to beat Kovalev. Frampton ends up the same battered piece of meat against Santa Cruz or Rigo, but he has a self-admitted fear of Rigo. Tell your little mate Roman he is on the end of a loss in this one also. Such blind faith you fan boys have.Posted April 6, 2014 4:36 pm
@Anonymous I’m aware there is a possibilty of Santa Cruz beating Frampton. That’s why I said in my first post ‘Frampton v Santa Cruz is a good fight in itself. If he wins that, Frampton WILL be looking to take on Rigo down the line…’. I believe that Mr Frampton will be looking to meet Rigondeaux in a few fights time, if he gets past Santa Cruz…Posted April 6, 2014 1:35 pm
You miss the point, IF Carl Frampton takes on Santa Cruz he will get battered to defeat and most likely TKO’d by the middle rounds at the very latest. Santa Cruz is far better than Frampton. I’m amazed so many so called boxing experts here can’t see it. The fight will be over by the 8th round at the very latest but I expect it to end much earlier. You’ll see Santa Cruz inflict a total demolition of Frampton.Posted April 6, 2014 1:20 pm
Serious question. Why do some fighters get more criticism than others though? Is Santa Cruz looking to meet Rigo? If not, why not and why is he not criticized? Is Kiko Martinez looking to meet Rigo?…Posted April 6, 2014 1:15 pm
I don’t think people get it. If Frampton’s people feel he needs more seasoning before fighting Rigo, that is great and honest management – boxing needs more of it.
But to think that the best way to get ready to fight the (real) World Champion is by becoming a (paper) world champion – it is really warped when you think about it, admit it…. it’s why boxing has faded in prestige so badly.Posted April 6, 2014 1:09 pm
“Anth Brown”, i was suggesting that Rigondeaux was unproven sh*t before his win over Donaire who hasn’t and hadn’t impressed in a while himself. in retrospect, Donaire provided a test that proves nothing about Rigo’s prospects above 122lbs and especially v. the likes of Mares, Gonzalez, and Garcia. a win over Santa Cruz would prove something but I don’t recall Rigo clamoring for that matchupPosted April 6, 2014 12:47 pm
It’s just incredible to see fighters openly admitting to a desire to duck the top level fighter in their divisions. There was a time when facing the real world champion was the desire of every fighter (if not his management team). Now fighters actively avoid the toughest matches, yet want all the acclaim and $$$.Posted April 6, 2014 12:44 pm
Accusations of ducking against Carl Frampton are pretty baseless. He’s moving into real world class now, but his team probably know he’s not quite ready for Guillermo Rigondeaux. That’s called sensible management, people. WHAT!?! in particular (and others) is one of the Angry Brigade on here with seemingly an agenda, who gets so upset that they have to trash a professional boxer who actually gets in the ring and swaps punches. There’s a few on here who could do with anger management classes! Frampton v Santa Cruz is a good fight in itself. If he wins that, Frampton WILL be looking to take on Rigo down the line..timing means a lot in boxing.Posted April 6, 2014 12:22 pm
“Cruz is not going to beat Frampton”
Tark, you’re kidding, right?Posted April 6, 2014 12:13 pm
“Is Frampton ducking the fight against Rigondeaux for a safer fight against Santa Cruz?”
Ducking? Is that the only word some people can come up with when a fighter does not want to face a certain opponent at a certain time?
Leo Santa Cruz is no “safer” opponent. Frampton will be losing to him too.Posted April 6, 2014 12:11 pm
down town anth brown
p4p not pop lolPosted April 6, 2014 11:57 am
Rigo hasn’t accomplished crap above 122lbs and even the Donaire win doesn’t look as impressive any more considering how Donaire struggled and almost lost v. Darchinyan. Santa Cruz would most likely TKO Rigondeaux in the same fashion that Angulo almost did v. Lara and for the same reasons. these Cuban repros aren’t made for the sweltering heat of a professional factory. i’ll change my mind once Rigo is allowed to venture beyond the gaggle of mother-hens currently insulating him from serious challenges that aren’t found on his current ring-resume.Posted April 6, 2014 11:38 am
No way GB’s are going to let Santa Cruz go to Belfast.Posted April 6, 2014 11:35 am
Santa Cruz will beat the heck out of Frampton and KO him. Anyone who thinks differently hasn’t got a clue about boxing. Rigo is on a totally different level to any other fight in the division and is the best boxer in the world today ahead of all the other so called P4P frauds like Duckweather and Ward the Fraud.Posted April 6, 2014 10:47 am
The Mad Scientist
Wow!, laughing at all these clowns who think LSC is a stepping stone in the right direction for this guy Frampton..yeah come tell us all about it when the fight is made and done and over with, I’ll be here..Posted April 6, 2014 10:43 am
And losing to Guillermo Rigondeaux or even Leo Santa cruz doesnt mean youhave been “weeded out”, it simply means you lost to a world class bboxer. Frampton will drill Santa cruz into the groundPosted April 6, 2014 9:28 am
For idiots like WHAT??!!?! Who think Frampton may be exposed by santa cruz or Rigo you are sorely mistaken. Any real BOXING fan can see he is thereal deal. Tou dont have to be Floyd Mayweather to b a world class boxer. Frampton KOd current world champion Kiko Martinez in his 15th fight. That aside you only need to watch the guy fight for a few minutes to see he is giftedPosted April 6, 2014 9:25 am
Rigo is not “close to perfection” atall. Hes an amazing boxer but he does have flaws. Hes been down what 3 times as a pro? And hes only had a hand full of pro fights. He is hittable. He relies heavily on his cat-like reflexes and at his age they will start to fade some time soon. He turned pro way too late. At this moment in time he would beat Frampton. Carl knows it and so does Rigo and his team. They all know like I do that Rigo is too old to get much better, thats why team Rigo want the fight nowPosted April 6, 2014 8:59 am
Santa Cruz is made for Frampton, come forward face first take one to land one fighter,easy meal for the Jackal.Posted April 6, 2014 7:32 am
haha funny last post, The Jackal Frampton will KO Rigo in good time,let him win a world title first so he’s going in on even terms, why you think El chacals manager wants the fight now? because he see’s a future warrior who will dethrone his man and wants to get him while he’s still a bit green, in good time,in good time.Posted April 6, 2014 7:30 am
Killing Moon The Soothsayer
Rigo is the Best. Only one I rate close to his level of Skill is Mayweather and that’s only because he has good inside fighting skill…Rigo is as close to perfection in the ring as i’ve seen…And that’s exactly why Frampton should take the fight..There is no shame in losing to Rigo…He’s the Best…Nuff Said….Posted April 6, 2014 7:17 am
very true.Posted April 6, 2014 7:07 am
At least Frampton is sorta honest – he won’t fight World Champ Rigo until he is ready – fine. The problem however, is that he plans to beat a guy like Santa Cruz and then parade around for as long as possible while calling himself “world champion” until such time that he sees himself ready….to become the real champion…ugh.
This is EXACTLY why boxing has sunk to a far less prestigious level that in was 40+ years ago….Posted April 6, 2014 7:04 am
Santa Cruz is a big step up for Frampton. If he were to win, a couple of defences wud help him grow further. Carl’s only had 18 fights, another 3 at world class level wud really sharpen him up. … No need to feed him to the REAL champ just yet.Posted April 6, 2014 6:53 am
this is the trouble with modern boxing at least five different belts to go after.Posted April 6, 2014 6:26 am
thought last nights fight was for the belt. my previous post is withdrawnPosted April 6, 2014 5:21 am
Frampton isnt ducking anyone,he has just fought an eliminator for the WBC title,so now his next fight is against the WBC champ….. should he get past Cruz,he could fight Rigo by the end of the year…..for 3 titles ..makes much more sense,in the meantime Rigo can fight Kiko for his title…… possibly a unified champ by xmas..Posted April 6, 2014 5:05 am
Frampton has the right idea. Fight LSC first and Rigo later. He still needs more experience behind him to fight Rigo. Rigo is one of the most highly skilled fighters on the planet, possibly the most; Frampton should definitely fight LSC first.Posted April 6, 2014 4:58 am
Australia has Billy “the kid” Dibb
They are not Australian and they are glad about it.Posted April 6, 2014 3:34 am
Rigondeaux is the Chaiman of the “who needs him club”
Only hardcore fans have heard of him
It ain’t just the Jackal
Frampton, Stevenson, mayweather all got one thing in commonPosted April 6, 2014 3:26 am
down town anth brown
so because a young man prefers to learn his trade well by fighting the other top fighters in his division first it is a duck?
rigondeaux is another level and nothing wrong with wanting to get the right amount of experience first. ..
If Frampton had had 40 fights and was a champion then Yeh I’d agree, but he’s not….
pathetic writingPosted April 6, 2014 3:21 am
What? You are right about Santa Cruz and Rigo being the top guys out there but Frampton is better than the lack of credit you give him. Is he good enough to beat the best, who knows. Hopefully they get it done for this year.Posted April 6, 2014 2:46 am
Frampton is a yellow streaked coward for not wanting to fight against the best. Unfortunately for him, the 2nd best in Santa Cruz is well above his level anyway. Frampton gets exposed as another wannabe contender with a paper thin record of nobodies. I know a hack when I see one, just like Cleverly, this guy is rubbish and being managed into easy fights until he gets a thorough beating when stepping up to the required world champion level.Posted April 6, 2014 2:35 am
What about me
Donaire, I am more relevant than Frampton, I lost to Rigondeaux, which is actually a win for me, I will lose against Rigondeaux again, that makes me the best.Posted April 6, 2014 2:32 am
Rigo is as skilled as they come and I agree with Task (below) tact and timing required from Frampton.Posted April 6, 2014 2:21 am
This pundit says.., “If Santa Cruz destroys Frampton, then there won’t be any point at all in discussing the subject, because Frampton will have been weeded out.”
Right.. and if hogs could fly transportation would be a lot cheaper, as long as hogs could be saddle broken. Why come up with this unlikely scenario of Frampton being destroyed by Cruz and be knocked out of a Rigo fight?
Cruz is not going to beat Frampton, but Frampton hasn’t reached a technical level to where he would have a decent shot against Rigondeaux.
It would be a great fight and make a tremendous amount of money—but right now Carl would most likely lose it. After Carl beats Cruz he’ll be closer to taking a step like that.. Rigo is the toughest opponent Frampton is likely to face in his entire career … and he has to be smart about when to bite that bullet. He has 18 fights and doesn’t have the 20 year amateur career Rigo had.
Frampton is still improving with every fight — and will be for a while.Posted April 6, 2014 12:29 am
Santa cruz is the fight most fans want, rigondeux can get nextPosted April 6, 2014 12:19 am
This shows me that Frampton is not going anywhere with his career. Beating rigo will give him the superstar status his manage Barry Mcguigan had. This fight should happenPosted April 6, 2014 12:08 am
Rigo will pull his pants down and expose him.Posted April 6, 2014 12:07 am
Rigo would expose him . Frampton knows better and will wait until rigo dies to call his name .Posted April 5, 2014 10:43 pm