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I think a great trainer for Danny Garcia would be Robert Garcia,
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Posted April 7, 2014 7:46 am 


Birdhead, don’t you have anything better to say?

Posted March 22, 2014 1:12 pm 


When Pacquiao beats a woman or his uncle murders someone in the PI it gets hushed up but both stories are true. Pacquiao hit a woman named Roseanne Bacura and his uncle killed someone over a dog. I have the articles from Philippine news.

Posted March 22, 2014 12:06 pm 


Apologies. The last post was from me. Ray Ray’s Dad.

Posted March 20, 2014 2:35 pm 


Ray Ray, I didn’t bring you up to disrespect your elders and your betters. Please do not let me shame you up in front of the ESB posters. You will never live it down. Remember, I taught you all you know, but not all that I know.

Posted March 20, 2014 2:34 pm 



I said I became a fan watching Tyson. I believe he was fighting in 88 when I was 8 years old dummy.

Lol 88 was the hight of Tyson carriere not the end of his carriere when he fought Lewis you liar!

Posted March 20, 2014 1:08 pm 


“So you think this Mayweather orders a beatdown rumor is a ‘non-story’ that we shouldn’t take seriously due to social media? ”

Floyd doesn’t want to go back to jail. If this incident really did occur, it makes total sense that the victims have not gone to the police about it because they know they have Floyd over a barrel–he would more than likely be very willing to settle behind the scenes. But here’s the deal, if the Las Vegas police Dept. got wind of this rumor, they would likely be investigating it to discover if there is any authenticity to it. But I don’t recall seeing or hearing anywhere, that any authorities have taken any action on this issue.

Then again, if these two guys really did get beat up and have broken body parts, who did it? Surely the hospital where they were treated has record of their injuries and medical services provided to them. So if it’s all a big lie, or some stunt manufactured to extort money from Floyd, how come no one is investigating the accusers? I mean if they’re lying, that’s illegal too.

In any case, TMZ needs to be shut down. I mean think about it, a TV show that thrives off of gossip? No real men on that show, or women for that matter.

Posted March 20, 2014 12:44 pm 

Ray Ray

Wow….I c Ray Rays dad/ anonymous is in the house. U really r even dumber than I thought. I post something about anonymous than bam….very next post Ray Ray’s dad appears? Ha ha ha how old r u? And how r u going 2 show me up on a web site tuff guy? Ha ha ha u poor little frog eater. Dam I’ll lose sleep over this kind of name calling ha ha ha 2 funny.

Posted March 20, 2014 5:28 am 



Posted March 20, 2014 12:55 am 


I’d like to see a flock of buzzards pick on your carcass dipturd

Posted March 20, 2014 12:46 am 


F U Fake TARK STFU and die

Posted March 20, 2014 12:33 am 

Ring General

Tark you wanker..Your revise the sickness on your brain. Take your meds you bloking muppet

Posted March 19, 2014 11:40 pm 

DaTruth real TRUTH!

Danny got his as$ whooped. Dats the REAL TRUTH!!

Posted March 19, 2014 5:35 pm 


DaTruth= Public Enemy. Pay no attention. He always uses his blinders from his mules back in Puto chico when he’s watching his favorite fighters. Thats why he never makes any sense when he talks.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:27 pm 

Old Coot

Oh really Vivek?… Can you spell, hypocrite?

So you think this Mayweather orders a beatdown rumor is a ‘non-story’ that we shouldn’t take seriously due to social media? Yet I’d bet money you STILL believe every bit of all the Mayweathers’ totally unfounded rumors about Paquiao and PEDS that alsow were in great part, perpetrated via social media too… In fact you bought into it so much that you have repeatedly advocated Pacquiao dignify them with cooperation? And Id bet more money that you still think so… Very interesting, and quite revealing indeed.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:26 pm 


popkins and clenchko NO THANKS.

Posted March 19, 2014 5:01 pm 


Hopkins would find some way to come up with a controversial win even if he fought Klitsko.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:26 pm 


DaTruth is Herrera lost – he was holding too much, using his head and elbow as weapons and wasted most of the fight with pitty pat Jabs to the Champions tummy.. hardly impressing the Judges.. that’s why the Mexican Judge gave the fight to Danny Swift Garcia.. now that’s DaTruth, now move on and stop being such sore losers..

Posted March 19, 2014 3:38 pm 


TARK, definitely picked the Garcia and Matthysse fight to go the distance. I can’t remember if he picked a winner, but he wrote this will not end in a KO. I have no reason to support TARK as I still have issues with him berating SRR, SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez and many others, but he picked a distance fight.

Posted March 19, 2014 3:01 pm 

B Red

Tark, stop lying, you picked Broner by Ko and Had Mattyssee an 8/5 favorite. I picked Angulo before I knew he was dead at the weigh in. He was completely drained with those soft punches he was throwing. You also Picked Lomanchenko to beat Salido

Posted March 19, 2014 2:20 pm 


B Red.., You’re an idiot… Almost everyone picked Canelo to beat Angulo. It was the easiest major fight to pick this year. You flubbed it completely, insisting Angulo would score the KO when the man can’t box.

I actually said Garcia-Matthysse was going to go 12 rounds when everyone else said it was going to be a KO… I posted that the best bet was the over for that fight and I was right.

I also said the over was a can’t miss bet on Pac-Rios.

I said Danny had a much better chance to beat Matthysse than the odds gave him… I had several posts with Joe Herron on this subject that he would verify.. That was a very difficult fight to pick the winner.

I also said Maidana might give Broner serious trouble, because he had an arching right hander that was perfect for Broner’s cross-armed shoulder roll defense. That was also a difficult fight to forecast the winner because Maidana doesn’t like pressure and Broner brings it. Maidana was down 3 times vs Ortiz and down vs Khan when they were throwng. They stopped throwing and he started.

Most everybody got those fights wrong, but I nailed the character of those fights and also said they weren’t betting fights… I get 80% right and over 95% of the favorites I bet on right… I bet on favorites all the time because they generally win, but I also nail obvious underdog winners like the first Donaire-Darchinyan fight.

Posted March 19, 2014 2:08 pm 


bred speaks as though*

Posted March 19, 2014 2:05 pm 


Bred soeaks as though broner and mathyse were not good picks going into broner vs maidana and mathysee vs garcia. then claims tark is the imbecile. wtf seriously dude? breds a numbskull. somebody pop that knucklehead

Posted March 19, 2014 2:05 pm 

Nikolai Wolfgangakov

Vivek is the best writer on Esb!!!!!

Posted March 19, 2014 1:52 pm 


@MUST’A FORGOT/LIKE IT IS I disagree. Vivek DIDN’T forget, he AVOIDED. He knows everything about Floyd, birth date, favorite color, shoe size, how mush he weighed when he was born, the name of his kindergarten teacher, first girlfriend,.. and so on. The truth is that he will NEVER mention anything that resembles a negative comment about his hero.

Posted March 19, 2014 11:35 am 


MUST’A FORGOT Interesting comment. Besides your points, Mayweather might’ve gotten TAP instead of a ‘slap’ on the wrist if it weren’t for the pressure put on the courts by Women Activist groups and a Nevada child protection agency. Yes I agree, but it was a more of a TAP than a slap on the Money Man’s wrist.

Posted March 19, 2014 11:20 am 

B Red

Tark , your not the brightest star in the sky or the fastest horse in the race. Your actually one sandwich short of a picnic. You picked Broner to KO Maidana and Mattysse to beat Garcia you imbecile.

Posted March 19, 2014 11:12 am 


I said I became a fan watching Tyson. I believe he was fighting in 88 when I was 8 years old dummy.

Posted March 19, 2014 10:13 am 


Adrien you clearly remember wrong. But once again shows you are an idiot.

Posted March 19, 2014 10:12 am 


and drugs.

Posted March 19, 2014 9:40 am 


herrera was beaten worse after 3 rounds with provodnikov, once u understand that, the herrera vs garcia bout is put in proper perspective

Posted March 19, 2014 9:20 am 


Ray Ray, you should stop talking with your d8ck out. Know what I’m saying? Don’t make me shame you up in front of all these good people on ESB.

Posted March 19, 2014 7:23 am 

Ray Ray

Anonymous- u rip every fighter? Iv never heard u say good things about any fighter/ promotor/Trainer or ref?

Posted March 19, 2014 5:06 am 


FIGHT AFICIANADO. You may not believe me, but I don’t hate or dislike TARK, I just wanted to know why he rips all the old school fighters so badly but seems to give breaks to fighters who have barely had 20 fights, holding them up as the best ever, when their careers are not even half over. I finally got TARK to reveal some of the old school fighters he respects. Sad thing is he has belittled some of the best regarded ATG fighters and I wanted to balance the ledger.
I respect your comments and try not to abuse TARK, just debate facts and my opinions with him?
But, good points FA.

Posted March 19, 2014 4:20 am 


Lmao hey public you actually scored the fight for danny?

Posted March 19, 2014 3:56 am 


B Red.., You’re so knowledgeable you picked Angulo to KO Canelo—you pathetic moron.. That was one of the easiest major fights to pick in the last year.. I’m very big on Golovkin because he’s a great boxer-puncher and so is Kovalev.

The last guy Bernard Hopkins fought is a guy Cleverly stopped.. B-Hop couldn’t stop him and he said he would.. B-Hop also let China-chinned Jermain Taylor beat him twice.. Calzaghe was a Cleverly type swinger—and Hopkins lost to him too.

Golovkin won 10 title fights in a row and KO’d 16 guys in a row… The only reason Golovkin-Martinez hasn’t been made is because Martinez doesn’t want to get KO’d… The only reason Kovalev-Hopkins will never be made is because B-Hop doesn’t want to get KO’d

Kovalev was Hopkins’ mandatory but Bernard refused to negotiate in good faith… Unbelievably, Cleverly’s naive team made Kovalev a serious offer for a world title match … Sergei took it, because trying to get a fight with Hopkins was like trying to get Riddick Bowe to fight Lennox Lewis … Mission Impossible… It will never happen.

Posted March 19, 2014 2:19 am 


B red – how is sred doing ?

Posted March 19, 2014 1:23 am 

te tumbo

“I notice guys go off on [Tark] a lot more than other regulars, it’s been a long term trend for some reason”. AFICIONADO, shed no tears for Tark. he likes the abuse. just try and agree with him. he’ll shift it into reverse and run you right over.

Posted March 19, 2014 12:35 am 


“The Judges didn’t like it nor did the knowledgable Boxing Fans…Mexicans don’t hold all night long.”

WTF you talking about? Danny’s beat up face says Herrera didn’t “hold all night long.”

Posted March 19, 2014 12:31 am 


Peej just got cought lying big time lol… I remember clearly he told me he started to follow boxing in the end of Tyson carriere from the fight with Lewis and on and he just posted this below lmao!!!

“I won’t lie, I have favorites. Everybody knows I like Floyd. My favorite boxer though was Roy Jones Jr. But I always try to stay objective and be fair. Sometimes its hard, thats why I record fights and watch them over a time or 2 just to make sure I was being objective. Been watching since I was 8 and am 34 now so I guess that is 26 years. You definitely got me on some years. I wish I could of watched a lot of the older fights live. I used to have a few hundred fights on DVD and VHS but lost them due to heat when I was moving and the accidentally got stored in my folks attic.

Posted March 18, 2014 12:30 pm “

Posted March 19, 2014 12:16 am 


Wilder is not expecting return fire and that will have him on his back against real competition. I won’t even think that Scott took a dive, he got hit by the left that came round hit glove that he did not see and if you watch the replay closely he was going sideways from the left before the right was launched. If Wilder were to get in the ring with Wlad K, I don’t think it will last long unless he get rid of some of those bad habits.

Posted March 18, 2014 10:58 pm 



Posted March 18, 2014 10:56 pm 


DaTruth= Public Enemy. Pay no attention to him.

Posted March 18, 2014 10:55 pm 


So floyd out points with the jab all day but anyone else its a crime

Posted March 18, 2014 10:54 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Despite all the talk about Scott taking a dive, one thing I liked in Wilder is he didn’t seem to rush windmill style trying for the KO. He wa more patient than before during the short time the fight went on. This is important because even if his defense is porous it’ll leave him open less frequently and conserve energy.

Posted March 18, 2014 10:21 pm 



I think that Wilder is a KO waiting to happen, he drops his hands after every punch, another rangy heavy with skills is going to drop a right over his jab and put him down unless he corrects that bad habit. Brealan has to work that out if I can see this another professional trainer will definitely pick-up on this. The other thing is he likes to punch from range, if he runs into a fighter that can get inside on him he’s in trouble. Wilder IMO is still a work in progress, we’ll see what happens in his next fight.

Posted March 18, 2014 10:05 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Fight Aficionado, TARK had plenty to say ripping SRR regarding Tiger Jones, but has been as quiet as a mouse when I posted my rebuttals to him breaking down Tiger’s 5 fight losing streak. 2 were SD and 1 was a MD, and 1 a loss to Giardello. Most of the losses were 6-4 on rounds, which is not a whupping.” – Anonymous, all good points RE: Robinson and Jones. I wasn’t talking about your discussion with TARK in this thread, it was just a general observation. I notice guys go off on him a lot more than other regulars, it’s been a long term trend for some reason.

Posted March 18, 2014 8:37 pm 

Danny the Fraud!

Da Truth = Public Enemy..

Posted March 18, 2014 8:20 pm 


If you think Herrera wasn’t landing power shots, just look at Garcias busted up face and Garcia was on the defense in the later rounds. I believe Herrera ran out of rounds.

Posted March 18, 2014 8:00 pm 


IF officials start rewarding jabbers over power punchers this Sports popularity will DWINDLE at a RAPID pace…. It would be equivalent to baseball rewarding singles over triples. …or basketball rewarding free throws over 3 pointers. Or Football rewarding field goals over Touchdowns.

NO. The Judges got it RIGHT. You reward Power shots over Jabs….Herrera ROBBED HIMSELF by not understanding that jabs are LESSER than Power shots.

Posted March 18, 2014 7:56 pm 


Puerto Rico is corrupt and lost all credibility as a boxing venue, ShowTime and HBO should not do schedule fights their until they get their crap together, was a travesty what
seeing Herrera get robbed.

Posted March 18, 2014 7:43 pm 

te tumbo

Tark is no “phony” or inexperienced when it comes to the fight-game. he is simply severely opinionated from a position of vast experience, which enables him to dig his heels in decades deeper than most of us. i personally find his contributions to be a lot more candid, challenging, and authentic than any ESB writer and 90% of ESB posters. most of whom err in the direction of popularity rather than honest and passionate fight-fan. Tark is honestly right or wrong depending on whether or not he agrees with Me but above all, he is dedicated to putting his version of events out there for us to either debunk or validate IF you’re up to the challenge, which is what ESB should be all about . . . “Defend yourself at all times and let’s get it on!”

Posted March 18, 2014 7:37 pm 


Sorry TARK, but you are a liar. You trashed SRR for passing out in 103 degree heat at Yankee Stadium with another of your Tarkisms by saying that he whimped out vs Joey Maxim, even tho he was way ahead on the cards and only had to survive to the 15th round to win the Light Heavyweight championship in 1952.
Your throwaway comment being that the unprecedented heat which cause many to collapse at ringside and even the ref p, who had to be replaced, was that it was the same fir both. Whilst true, you show me two men who can sit in a hot sauna and have exactly the same endurance? Who was the natural LH and so able to carry the weight better? Of course it’s Maxim. SRR came back 31 months later at 159 pounds, which shows you he was not a LH at all.
You rubbished SRR again and again and again, yet pour praise on guys who have barely had a career and are downright disparaging to a lot of other fighters.
Why don’t you come clean and either tell us what connections you supposedly have in the industry or admit you are talking pie in the sky and are as phony as we think you are.

Posted March 18, 2014 7:21 pm 


TARK, what happened to that piece you were going to write for ESB? I hear you priced yourself out, comparing yourself to Ray Arcel, Gil Clancy, Eddie Futch, Georgie Benton and Bouie Fischer. We are still waiting with baited breath for your article. Bated breath.

Posted March 18, 2014 7:11 pm 


vivek:good to hear you telling the truth about herrera winning.
also good answer when it comes to wilder

Posted March 18, 2014 6:18 pm 


YES. I’ve been in need of one for a LONG time. In FACT many have TRIED. But no one has been able to DO it.

Posted March 18, 2014 5:50 pm 


Anonymous…, I rebutted everything you claimed.. Robinson had a warm up figth before taking on Ralph Jones — who was coming off 5 straight losses.

All those other guys you claim I tore down??? I didn’t.. They were all great fighters.. But they weren’t perfect were they???

Don’t make Gods out of all the old timers and clowns out of today’s best fighters.. That’s what you call generational bias.. I come from a bygone era and I know many of the old boys aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.

Boxers are getting better — Just like athletes in every other sport: Track & Field… Swimming… Gymnastics… Skating… Diving… Basketball… Baseball… Football… whatever… They’re all busting world records and doing things at a higher degree of difficulty than ever done before … Boxers today are bigger, stronger, faster, and better… The science of boxing advances slightly with each generation.

Get rid of your Generational Bias.

Posted March 18, 2014 5:25 pm 


I remember not so long ago when TARK was asking to be paid big bucks for him to write a piece. I’d say to ESB both, save your money and don’t waste your time. TARK is delusional at best, but he is a pernicious old man who spends his days ripping up the resumes of great gladiators of yore who have proven themselves time and again, even to the detriment of their own health to pave the way for the boxers of today to reap the monetary rewards. He has spent so much energy in ripping down the likes of SRR, Hagler, SRL, Hearns, Benitez, Norris and so many more including Muhammad Ali and anyone it seems who laced up a pair before 1995. I feel the answer is he is bitter and twisted at perhaps being passed up as a trainer, fighter or even junior reporter and it’s his own attempt at rewriting history. I think it’s why he has run-ins and battles with anyone who has any pull on ESB.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:57 pm 


Even IF Pacquiao is a threat he is in line behind Marquez and Bradley. We’re not going to let you jump in line just because people like you. How can anyone put a guy who just LOST to Marquez and Bradley IN against Mayweather?? Avenge your LOSSES. THEN lets talk.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:53 pm 


I’m not a pompous anything. I’m a TRUTH teller and a FACT stater. Some people hate the TRUTH that I’m telling….Well TOUGH luck. Go read a comic book.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:48 pm 


TE TUMBO has the beat.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:45 pm 


Fight Aficionado, TARK had plenty to say ripping SRR regarding Tiger Jones, but has been as quiet as a mouse when I posted my rebuttals to him breaking down Tiger’s 5 fight losing streak. 2 were SD and 1 was a MD, and 1 a loss to Giardello. Most of the losses were 6-4 on rounds, which is not a whupping. But, when his kryptonite to Mayweather, Garcia has looked not so great in fights with Theophane, Herrera, Judah and even Morales I, we are expected to give him a pass? TARK said Mayweather was running scared of a man who played PING PONG with Matthysse’s love packet for the best part of 10 rounds! TARK gets off on ripping people to shreds but if someone stands up to him, he goes MISSING IN ACTION.
TARK is both a cherry picker and a royal ducker!

Posted March 18, 2014 4:44 pm 

te tumbo

anyway, the “Money” ship has sailed and Manny* has only himself to blame for not striking when Mayweather was a red-hot and eagerly-anticipated matchup. precisely the type of matchups that Pacquiao* diligently avoids.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:44 pm 

te tumbo

TARK, at long last(!?!), you need to give up on the illusion of Pacquiao* even being remotely competitive v. Floyd. he is no more in Floyd’s league than Marquez, Guerrero, or Garcia are despite the fact that you were eager to toss Danny into Floyd’s wheelhouse before you saw how outclassed he was v. Herrera. a Mayweather v. Pacquiao* matchup would be like Trinidud v. Hopkins or Winky or Roy Jr. Manny* would be equally out of his depth v. a master boxer-puncher like Floyd. at one time, Pacquiao* the opponent made $en$e for Floyd. since then he’s moved on to PPV multimillions without Pacquiao* and remained undefeated. at this point, it makes no sense for Floyd to do Pacquiao* a favor and yank him out of his financial troubles. particularly after having been taxed by Pacquiao’s* frivolous lawsuit over what was essentially nothing more than trash-talk that could’ve been utterly squashed by simply agreeing to MUTUALLY-Applied testing.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:41 pm 


No need to call. He is the champ. You call the champ, not the other way around.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:31 pm 


All those guys were cherry-picks by both fighters Pacturds… The only real 147 fight out there for these two was May-Pac all along — and Floyd has offered nothing but excuses instead of a signature. If it were up to Manny the fight would have happend 5 years ago…

MP’s phone is still being manned 24/7 in case Floyd calls. But everybody knows he won’t, and will offer nothing but more invented excuses at every turn of events.

Posted March 18, 2014 4:11 pm 


@Fight Aficionado, the same reason you rag on Boxtra all the time, there both pompous Azz Holes

Posted March 18, 2014 3:45 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Why are you guys always dogging on TARK? I disagree with certain things like his ongoing criticism of Ray Robinson and inflated opinion of Wilder but he also makes some decent boxing points and doesn’t berate people like some of the jerks here. We all have our own opinions, it’s what make us fans. Calm down.

Posted March 18, 2014 3:27 pm 


Really Vivek, lose your fluffy meaningless rhetoric, say what you mean and mean what you say. I’ll bet that when you do, your 2,000 word “articles” won’t exceed 250 words. You can dress bull up all you want but it’s still bull.

Posted March 18, 2014 3:21 pm 


“I think it’s safe to say that my thoughts on this matter are not as firm as they once were.”

WTF? Why not just sound totally stupid and say, “Come to think of it, I think I thought I thought what I did when I thought it.”

Posted March 18, 2014 3:17 pm 


“I’m not always as deadly accurate as I’d like,”

As if to indicate Vivek is more often than not. Right.

Posted March 18, 2014 3:11 pm 


What is a TARK?

Someone who wears emo glasses (glasses with thick, dark frames) and likes to be seen as artsy or intellectual. A tark’s style of dress is often emo or scene (skinny jeans, converse sneakers, hair longer in the front than in the back), but some tarks, particularly older ones, may dress more conventionally. Most tarks are under the age of 30.

Posted March 18, 2014 2:57 pm 


what is a TARK?

Tark is an Orkish word that was often used by the Orcs of the later Third Age to describe a Man of Númenórean heritage (such as the Gondorians). Considering the enmity between the Orcs and the Men of Gondor, the word tark tended to be used in an insulting way.[1][2]

Posted March 18, 2014 2:56 pm 


What is a TARK?

The Tark supposed to be a mutant horse, which was made for the Monster Ball competition by GSC Gameworld in 2004. The prize was that the winner’s monster idea would be implemented into the game, however the Snork monster won the competition, and the Tark never implemented.

Posted March 18, 2014 2:55 pm 

Boxing Fan

I just watched the provodnikovs herrera fight and I thought Provod won so for Herrera what goes around comes around

Posted March 18, 2014 1:40 pm 


Tom “Boom Boom” Johnson vs Jesus Chavez….Cory Spinks also fought…..pretty good card all around, btw i read alot of posts although i don’t post that much and you are one of the most objective ones don’t always agree but you’re posts are basically fact based and of logical opinion, keep it up…..God Bless you…gotta go

Posted March 18, 2014 1:05 pm 


lets see provod vs herrera or procod vs garcia. provod vs jmm wojld have been sweet. provodnikovs UNDEFEATED

Posted March 18, 2014 1:01 pm 


bearcat- pretty weak post dude. what that i have wrote are you disputing? herrera had some narley head use against provod the ref jumped his a$$ for it. maybe u should take your bs up with the ref son

Posted March 18, 2014 12:55 pm 


No I did not, actually I would need to know the main event. I have been to a few shows but it has been a while. I used to go to all of them around 99 to about 2004. But I quit that job and took a major pay cut which didn’t allow me to go to them anymore. I could of possibly and just not remembered it at the time since it was his pro debut.

Posted March 18, 2014 12:49 pm 


I have favorite ding dongs like dark ones, guy’s. Outside of that not so much.

Posted March 18, 2014 12:42 pm 


i have seen alot of great fighters live and on tv but realized that when you are a fan of just some fighters you have a tendency not to see what the other fighter is landing because you’re watching your fighter, not say you’re in that category, but alot of casual fans do that…btw did you see Cotto in his first pro fight….it was in Austin

Posted March 18, 2014 12:38 pm 


I won’t lie, I have favorites. Everybody knows I like Floyd. My favorite boxer though was Roy Jones Jr. But I always try to stay objective and be fair. Sometimes its hard, thats why I record fights and watch them over a time or 2 just to make sure I was being objective. Been watching since I was 8 and am 34 now so I guess that is 26 years. You definitely got me on some years. I wish I could of watched a lot of the older fights live. I used to have a few hundred fights on DVD and VHS but lost them due to heat when I was moving and the accidentally got stored in my folks attic.

Posted March 18, 2014 12:30 pm 


Peej, my comment was strictly based on the comparison of both fights nothing else, i’ve followed boxing for 56 yrs and don’t idolize fighters per se, my days of having favorites are long gone, just love the sport and love to see competetive bouts

Posted March 18, 2014 12:06 pm 


Do you know anything about boxing. You can snap back anybodies head with a jab. It is not hard to do. Heck when an up jab lands it snaps your head back. Yes he had some bruising on the face, it is not hard to get bruises. Most of what you saw besides a bloody nose was leather burn from the gloves. I saw the post fight interview and he didn’t look to bad. Herrera was cut under his left eye while Garcia had a bloody knows which you can get while picking your nose. I bet Herreras body wasn’t feeling to well the next day. You need to get a clue.

Posted March 18, 2014 11:57 am 


I am not saying he only landed jabs. But the majority of his punches where jabs. I would say over 90% of his punches where jabs. As for Garcia he was landing mostly power punches with an occasional jab. This was merely a fight of if you liked Herreras work rate of Garcias even though I believed they threw almost the same punches. Though Herrera threw more. I liked the harder punches of Garcia. Just like I liked the harder punches of Broner over Paulie. And I also wasn’t saying you where wrong, I was just adding my 2 cents.

Posted March 18, 2014 11:55 am 

The Facts !

To PEEJ ,,you claim that Herrera didn’t throw any power punches ,,they how in the hell was he able to snap back Danny Garcia’s head back all the time . and why was Garcia’s face all bruise up ..didn’t Larry Holmes win most of his fights with his jab .. Peej do you actually know anything about boxing .

Posted March 18, 2014 11:53 am 


Peej, what i’m saying is he actually did better against Garcia than against Provo and he did land more than just jabs against Garcia…not saying he won, just making a comparison,

Posted March 18, 2014 11:52 am 


To BEARS ,you say Herrera uses his head to much ,,well maybe you should start using your head more ,because the crap you write has no thought to it .

Posted March 18, 2014 11:46 am 


I thought Herrera lost against Provo and I thought he lost against Garcia. He wasn’t throwing hardly any power punches, just jabs. Can’t win a fight throwing jabs against a fighter who is landing power punches.

Posted March 18, 2014 11:40 am 


tell you what’s funny, Provodnikov outlanded Herrera in total punches and definitely in powerpunches and yet he lost, while Herrera outlanded Garcia in total punches and landed a significant amount of powerpunches and yet he lost…..where are the Garcia fanboys that were lauding Herrera for winning against Provo, why didn’t he win when he actually did better than he did against Provo…btw i’m a fan of boxing, not one fighter or nationalities

Posted March 18, 2014 11:37 am 


At first blush, I also thought Canelo’s PPV numbers were pretty poor, but then I looked at the early PPV numbers of other superstar boxers and it’s actually significantly higher. When you factor in both Canelo and Angulo coming off losses and the moderate backlash after Canelo seemed a bit tepid and lost at times against Floyd, 350k buys is pretty damn good. I’m very curious to see how his numbers progress from here.

Posted March 18, 2014 11:01 am 


My posts aren’t going up. Why?

Posted March 18, 2014 10:35 am 


what’s up Mike J’ i’m gonna agree with the last part about Garcia needing to give an immediate rematch but i’m convinced that Garcia can’t make to many adjustments the style of herrera will prevail every time, and i appreciate the blue collar fighter in Garcia but this kid herrera is a problem and will give many trouble…yezzir!

Posted March 18, 2014 10:23 am 


I feel it was a good fight but judges went to far with 116 to 112

Posted March 18, 2014 10:16 am 

Mike J

Garcia came in last Saturday still high on the Matthyse fight…certainly wasnt MENTALLY ready for Herrera. He got a gift decision and an IMMEDIATE rematch is in order.

Posted March 18, 2014 10:08 am 


TARK, slack or no slack, the difference is SRR was something like 132-2-3 going into the Jones fight.
SRL had what 30 fights when he faced Hagler and Floyd something like 40 fights when he faced MARQUEZ? Can you imagine any of today’s fighters withstanding batterings from such high calibre opponents fighting an average of say 6/7 times a year, every year against quality opposition? no, you can’t. They would be broken down long before they reach anywhere near SRR numbers.
The closest you had to that was Hagler who you seem to think was rubbish! He had a record something like 62-2-2 when he fought SRL and had fought all those Philly wars against top fighters in the 70s, but you still berate Hagler’s career. TARK, you are one strange character.

Posted March 18, 2014 10:01 am 


TARK, Just checked Tiger Jones’ 5 bout losing streak, you keep harping on about.
2 of those losses were SD
1 of those losses was a MD
And one of those defeats was to Joey Giardello (UD)

The majority of those scores were 6-4 in rounds, so it’s not as if he was getting Whupped in there.
I suggest people check up on BoxRec are Ralph Tiger Jones during the period 1954-1955 when he fought SRR.

Posted March 18, 2014 9:55 am 


TARK, Mayweather came back after a long layoff over the weight limit vs a man who was coming up 2 weight divisions, whereas SRR came down from 175 to the MW limit of 160 vs a good, strong MW who would only ever be stopped ONE TIME in all of his 89 fight career.
It can happen to anyone after a retirement and they can get bounced all over the ring.
TARK, look at AARON PRYOR, who was untouchable at 140. He retired and had issues with the white stuff, but thought he could come back and got iced by I’m sure it was Bobby Joe Young, for his one and only ever defeat!
Sh** happens in boxing especially if you take time out of the game.
PRYOR at his formidable peak would have walked through him, even though he was an okay fighter.

Posted March 18, 2014 9:49 am 


TARK. Are you nuts? SRR came off a layoff of 31 months, which is 2 and a half years and was aged 34 years in 1955, which by today’s standards would be the equivalent of someone who is in their mid 40s! Yes, SRR had a 6th round stoppage 2 weeks (14 days earlier). Had his body really recovered from the abuse it took during those 13 rounds of hell in 1952 vs Joey Maxim? Probably not. Definitely not to beat a quality fighter who would only ever be stopped ONE TIME in 89 fights, fighting HOF MW in Paul Pender, Gene Fullmer and beating HOF Giardello and Kid Gavilan.
He is not a patsy like most people fight these days.
So, in over 200 professional fights you call SRR on one lousy fight he had. Let’s call your boy Danny Garcia, who has had what 30 bouts?
Zab Judah, Herrera even Khan and Morales I to an extent and Theophane were all lousy performances by him. People accuse him of playing PING PONG with Matthysse’s b8lls in the fight before that and you want to call SRR in his fight with JONES!! GTFOH with your hatred. TARK,
IT’S ME, ERNIE is right about you. You have a serious double standard and I will make it my goal to call you out on every one. No doubt.

Posted March 18, 2014 9:28 am 


Anonymous…, Ralph Jones was on a five (5) bout LOSING STREAK when he thrashed Robinson every round. And Robinson was coming off a warm up fight.

Nobody gave Floyd Mayweather any slack when he came off a 2-year layoff.

Nobody gave Sugar Ray Leonard any slack when he came off a 3-year layoff to beat Marv Hagler for the middleweight title… They just gave him slack for failing to fight ANY of the top contenders after he beat Hagler… Really great contenders like Mike McCallum… Michael Nunn… and Julian Jackson… Ray refused to fight them, was stripped of the middleweight title, and they won the splintered pieces.

Posted March 18, 2014 9:14 am 



This pundit says…, Good fighters have off nights.. Great fighters have off rounds.

What about Sugar Ray Robinson??? 10 off rounds in a row versus Ralph Jones.

Posted March 18, 2014 12:13 am


I am fed up reading your bs about SRR losing an easy 10 round UD to Ralph Tiger Jones.
First up Tiger Jones also defeated Champions, Joey Giardello and Kid Gavilan and also faced the likes of Carl Bob Olsen, Paul Pender and Gene Fullmer (10 fights with true world champions), so he’s not the bum you suggest (typical TARK revisionism here).
SRR last fought 31 months previously to this in June 1952 and this was his 2nd bout in 2 weeks on his COMEBACK, aged 34 years old!!! This is 15 years into his pro career. Where the heck will his poster boy Canelo ALVAREZ be 15 years into his pro career? Let’s see, probably retired or at least 20 or so pounds heavier and an easy target for the Cruiserweights he’ll be facing!
Jones was trained by Gil Clancy, a legendary trainer. TARK keeps on about off nights. Well, after 15 years and a hiatus of 31 months I think SRR is entitled to be excused for an off night against a man who would probably be a legitimate threat against today’s middleweights.
We all know TARK thinks that if you fought before 1995 then you must be rubbish, so no doubt TARK will have his own rubbish rebuttals. But, at least give people the facts before you run down people’s legendary careers. Keep it posted as I will have more facts to refute TARK’S denigrations of other boxers from the past.

Posted March 18, 2014 7:04 am 


TARK, always has excuses for his poster boys, yet he tries to tear other people’s honest analyses and viewpoints to spreads particularly savaging some of the better contributors.
TARK’S favourites are Garcia, Lara and Pacquiao, which is his prerogative, but he lays into others without seeing the weaknesses of his heroes also!
I posted on another thread how it was shocking to see Danny standing so straight up and pulling away in straight lines. I remember him going life and death with Ashley Theophane too!
Danny is hittable, doesn’t defend that well and actually is quite slow, which is strange as he calls himself SWIFT.
Vs Zab Judah, he made Super Judah look a million, dollars until he was exposed again by Malignaggi.
TARK, was that another , “off night,” again by Danny? He wasn’t much better against Morales I. It seems he has one good fight, followed by lone bad fight, so I guess he will look a million dollars again next time out?
It’s all good having excess power, strength and a good set of whiskers, but when you are being outboxed by guys who have seen better days and who have no power, you will need to defend better, work on better footwork and cutting off the ring and dictating the tempo of the fight, none of which Danny has been consistently able to do. He will need all this and more to be a threat at Welter.
A good test for him will be Keith Thurman who is also not quite the finished article, but could be the guy to make Danny look a million dollars once again!
BTW TARK, I am a fan of Garcia, but do not see him with the rose coloured glasses that you do.

Posted March 18, 2014 6:29 am 

Ring General

I’m just kidding. BEARS does know his boxing. He always has good analysis and good ideas. Reading the posts if BEARS and Bearcat they are clearly not the same they just do not speak well of the fighters I like and they speak well of the fighters I do not like so I post worthless posts not related to boxing at all that attempts to cut these two posters down.

Posted March 18, 2014 3:50 am 

Ring General

The wanker Bears aka Bearcat, know nothing but Grabimir Clinchko

Posted March 18, 2014 3:38 am 


i scored provodnikov vs bradley 115-109 provodnikiov.

prov literally had four 10-8 rounds. r1,r2,r6, and r12

boxing desperately needs a second ref sitting ringside watching 2 or 3 angles of the fight and mic’ed up to the ref in the ring. rules are rules and should be enforced. if the ropes hold you up it should be scored. im tired of it not being. round 6 bradley literally sits on the bottom rope just like lennox lewis got knocked down into agains shannon briggs and it was not scored. although that fight was different. lewis ended up smoking briggs. none the less. ropes hold fighters up a lot more than its called.

Posted March 18, 2014 3:29 am 


it was clearly not all floyd that was the draw or every floyd ppv would break records. saying that is air headed. people thought canelo was really bringing the risk bringing the fight but floyd and his camp took all the fight out of the bout by making canelo boil down to 152 catchweight in a 154 pound unification. UNPRECEDENTED GARBAGE. the mexicans drove up floyds ppv’s. theres no doubt about it in my mind. just a huge fan base. was it all floyd? not just no, hell no.

Posted March 18, 2014 3:21 am 


@KILLA is your source TMZ???

Posted March 18, 2014 3:13 am 


I hope that people will actually realize that Mayweather is the one that made the PPV event with Canelo BIG

Posted March 18, 2014 3:11 am 


Garcia did enough to box in salvage mode with 150 power punches to Herrera’s 88. The judges were not PR judges who had it 116-112. Had they been in Las Vegas instead of PR, they would have scored it the same. Garcia will learn from Herrera’s style. Garcia’s still fairly green for a champion.

Posted March 18, 2014 3:03 am 


ropes held bradley up round 6 bradley dropped to the bottom rope

Posted March 18, 2014 2:59 am 


im on round 8 now scoring it. provs smoking him. round 2 rioes held bradley up and he got pummeled max even said he would call it a 10-8 round. round 6 again bradley drops and the very bottom rope holds him up. bradley is getting smoked in my book through 7

Posted March 18, 2014 2:52 am 


Fight ended with Bradley in the canvas !!

Posted March 18, 2014 2:37 am 


And yes Provo is undefeated in my book too … I mean how could you win a very close fight while being saved by the bell in the last round ???!!

Posted March 18, 2014 2:36 am 


I watched Provo vs Herrera right after
Provo fought badley , just out of couriosity I wanted to see who is that guy ( Herrera ) that beat Provo and really Provo deserved the win and he was clearly robbed!

Posted March 18, 2014 2:35 am 


ropes hold bradley up round 2!!!! two 10-8 rounds for prov rounds one and 2.

Posted March 18, 2014 2:25 am 


watching prov vs bradley again. my god dude prov pummels bradley and the ref calls the first knock down a slip are u f n kiddin me son!?! bradley pops up on his feet and does a reverse face plant with his arm tweaked! i have seen multiple fights called off, stopped,halted when a guy goes to his feet and falls back down let alone FACEPLANTS! it wasnt even ruled a knockdown!!! WTF!!! tko win round one PROVOD! called wrong. go to the cards. decision provodnikov wins CALLED WRONG AGAIN. failed by the ref and the judges in one fight! provodnikovs undefeated. bradley has 2 losses. who was here talkin about a herrera win over prov?

Posted March 18, 2014 2:20 am 


provodnikovn is undefeated if u Ask me no wonder noone wants to fight him!

Posted March 18, 2014 2:06 am 


compubox numbers were close on it too i cant believe they gave itto herrera! whoa! it was judge addelaide byrd on it too!!!! bahahahahahah! garbage judges

Posted March 18, 2014 1:46 am 


Vivek is Wack! This guy is to inconsistent with his facts. First of all Vivek I will recommend you WATCH Mayweather vs Castillo I. It was similar to Danny fight. I think Garcia list and Mayweather too. Mayweather SAMPLE A – DIRTY TWICE!! Why is Vivek not reporting a boxing story, but rather criticize TMZ! Instead he accuses Manny of being DIRTY!!DISCLOSED YOUR SOURCES VIVEK- PROVE TO THE WORLD MANNY IS DIRTY. REPORT THE TRUE!!!!

Posted March 18, 2014 1:44 am 


provod cant find a decent opponent right now provo vs herrera 2 the rematch right now would be awesome

Posted March 18, 2014 1:43 am 


i cant believe how much herrera uses his head. DAMN!

Posted March 18, 2014 1:42 am 


wow prov won that fight. beat herrera’s a$$. anyone sayin dif must not have watchedthe fight. both announcers had it for prov too

Posted March 18, 2014 1:41 am 

Jack Dempsey

I always said that this TARK guys has rocks for a brain ,,and what is really puzzling is that TARK actually thinks he knows something about boxing ,,what a joke .

Posted March 18, 2014 1:39 am 

Chili Grande

Just shut the hell up TARK ,,you make no sense at all .

Posted March 18, 2014 1:34 am 

J. Happenstance

Stop crying already – I wrote ‘referee’. not judges. Stop trying to sound smart.

Posted March 18, 2014 1:25 am 


round 6 herrera vs prov and herreras left eye is SWOLLEN SHUT

Posted March 18, 2014 1:22 am 


watchin herrera vs provod. ref wouldnt stop harrassing provod round one. provod did more damage on herrera round 3 bustin his eye nasty than danny did whole fight. round 5 ref harrass provod again. round 5 almost over i think its a draw thus far but herrera is getting beat on worse

Posted March 18, 2014 1:20 am 


Wilder’s left hook was nothing but a slap, it had nothing on it, it was an arm punch, when Wilder threw the right Scott blocked it……………The crowd booed because they knew that fight was a fix………….

Herrera is the new champion, he is the people’s champion. There was an on-going FBI investigation years ago for fight fixing and bribing a Federal judge. Read the Judd letter……..

Posted March 18, 2014 1:12 am 


Lol Vivek (vitally )is saying hw a weak devision …lol and he is the one who says we need to add another devision on top of that a super haveyweight lol …he just can’t stand klitchkos to be champions .. Hahahahahah

Posted March 18, 2014 12:39 am 

te tumbo

“Maybe Herrera wasn’t a nobody but there wasn’t a single dude here at ESB predicting an upset”. not entirely true but when you also know that it would be virtually impossible for Herrera to win on the scorecards in PR what ultimately transpired was unavoidable.

Posted March 18, 2014 12:13 am 


This pundit says…, Good fighters have off nights.. Great fighters have off rounds.

What about Sugar Ray Robinson??? 10 off rounds in a row versus Ralph Jones.

Posted March 18, 2014 12:13 am 

Turd Spotter

Proboxing = Public Enemy..

Posted March 18, 2014 12:01 am 

The Honeybadger

Garcia def lost to Matthysse fight should a been a draw at least. Great fighters like Ali, Whitaker, Floyd lost more just rounds bro! They all won fights they didn’t deserve to win in one point in their careers.

Posted March 17, 2014 9:50 pm 


No more fights in PR.. cheaters

Posted March 17, 2014 8:59 pm 


The point is, Khan was not fighting a nobody as some people keep saying and he won, you can have difficult fights when it is not all set up in your favor, Khan fights everyone, home and away, just gets on with it.

Posted March 17, 2014 8:25 pm 

Stop Crying already

Amir Khan was knockedafkoutCold by Danny Garcia.. remember that???

Posted March 17, 2014 8:09 pm 

Stop Crying already

J. Happenstance – you do realize the Judges were from Mexico, Panama and PR right? also, you do realize the Mexican and Panamanian Judges had it for Danny Garcia 116 – 112 while the Puerto Rican Judge had it 114 – 114 a draw.. You may be confusing Puerto Rican Judging with Texas Judging..remember those ripp offs? Mexican Bam Bam Rios vs Cuban ABril, Chavez jr. vs Vera 1 and 2.. Trout vs Canelo..

Posted March 17, 2014 8:08 pm 


Julio Diaz would of beat Broner easily.

Posted March 17, 2014 8:06 pm 


Amir khans last opponent Julio Diaz wasn’t a nobody, former champion, fought Porter to a draw, Khan was fighting a very good fighter and he won.

Posted March 17, 2014 7:57 pm 

J. Happenstance

The referees in P.R. usually suck.

Posted March 17, 2014 6:43 pm 

Fight Aficionado

FBI raiding and investigating GoldenBoy Promotions’ office for “fixing fights” – I didn’t hear about this. What was the source? Top Rank was raided years ago and it was all over the major news wires. As for the Floyd beatdown thing, the alleged victim didn’t file a police report so there’s no investigation. If it actually happened, that implies the dudes just want to get paid off and not involve the cops.

Posted March 17, 2014 5:56 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Maybe Herrera wasn’t a nobody but there wasn’t a single dude here at ESB predicting an upset. So the debatable decision win defied all expectations and indeed drops Garcia’s stock. PS: Have not posted in 4 hours how the hell is that “too fast” ESB?

Posted March 17, 2014 5:32 pm 

Octavius Jomar Chatman

@Peej; I totally agree. I don’t understand how people can hate a man so much that they lose TOTAL LOGIC. I also agree with Vivek’s explanation about why he feels the way he feels about Canelo’s PPV numbers. 350k may be good for some people but given the fact that he just came off of that 2+ Million record; I think that kind of stinks; especially considering the opponent he had. Angulo is known in boxing circles and for it to only get those numbers was quite disappointing to me. But that’s just my opinion; we all have them.

Posted March 17, 2014 4:31 pm 


I thought Canelos numbers where pretty good. But goes to show that Floyd is a draw. All those folks that said he only drew cause of Canelo were definitely wrong.

Posted March 17, 2014 4:18 pm 


Garcia WON just as I predicted!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted March 17, 2014 3:41 pm 

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