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hekahusia

Froch will lose the way he would have lost in the first fight; by knockout. Groves did what he wanted to in the first until that disgraceful action by an incompetent (or bought) referee. Groves will take the decision process out of the equation. It may be earlier than most think. Had Groves done in the second and third round what he did in the first, Froch would not have lasted into the 4th round.

Posted March 27, 2014 1:45 pm 


Anonybum

Anonymous sux;

Posted March 6, 2014 12:53 pm 


Boxing barlow

TARK – Thats rubbish. Lacey was young, unbeaten and favorite going into the JC fight. The Americans were actually referring to him as the next Mike Tyson! Kessler was 27. Unbeaten. WBC and WBA champ. The undoubted number two at super middleweight at the time. You can say that Hopkins was passed it but he had beaten Tarver, Wright pre fighting Calzaghe and went on to beat the likes of Pavlik, and Pascal after. Carl Froch just came along a tad too late for Calzaghe and no one really wanted that fight at the time anyway as the common opinion was that Calzaghe would have won easily. The only time the Froch fight ever looked relevant was after Calzaghe retired and it became apparent that Froch was better than we all originally thought.

Posted March 6, 2014 4:52 am 


TARK

Calzaghe pulled out of his fight with Glen Johnson 3 times. Then he killed the fight entirely.

Calzaghe refused to fight Dawson.

Calzaghe refused to fight Froch.

Anybody great and young, Calzaghe wouldn’t fight them.

Posted March 6, 2014 2:18 am 


TARK

“Froch wasnt getting to Groves with clean shots”

Yes he was… He was knocking the crap out of him… Groves face looked like a beefsteak.

Posted March 5, 2014 6:29 pm 


Boxing barlow

Michael Collins – IS an awful writer!

Posted March 5, 2014 5:49 pm 


Martin

Well, good to get your take, BB. I do recommend you watch it again, without Watts’s commentary, and try to watch it anew; but hey, it sounds like you’ve decided what happened and have your take on it fairly fixed, so I won’t try to dissuade you any further. “It’s all good”, as our cousins across the pond might say.

Btw, folks might be interested to know that on the discussion thread to this post:

The Pugilist KOrner: Robert Garcia, Sugar Hill, Thomas Dulorme, Sam Garcia, and Bruno Escalante

a senior ESB writer has been talking about really bad articles being published on ESB (on his show too). Remember all those anti-Froch articles written by Michael Collins last year, for example?

Well, if you agree that the standard of ESB articles has suffered badly in recent years, have your say on that thread and perhaps the ESB powers that be might take note….

I must do some work.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:35 pm 


Boxing barlow

Martin – Im gonna have to disagree. Ward had an easy night against Froch. I think Groves just made it a hard night on himself last time round. I think the hardest part of this fight for Groves this time round is going to be Frochs desperation in the second half of the fight when he finds himself behind on the score cards and struggling to land a glove on Groves. At this point Groves is gonna have all the leaning, pushing, fouling barging in, all Froch’s tricks he has learnt to try and sap Groves’ energy. As long as he cant weather that and see the final bell he’ll get the points win.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:29 pm 


Martin

@TARK

That’s one very precise and detailed prediction! If you’re right, it will FOTY for sure!

Posted March 5, 2014 5:25 pm 


Martin

P.S. Off-topic but I just watched the Mitchell stoppage again to check I hadn’t remembered it wrongly, and I counted between 30 and 40 unanswered punches: really *not* a good idea to let a man take that many head shots.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:24 pm 


Boxing barlow

TARK – Interesting prediction! I always think after a close fight or an KO outcome and then theres a rematch. Whats adjustments can the fighter make next time round? Groves’ are obvious. Last the 12 rounds. Whats are Froch’s? He cant get any faster. His reflexes cant get any better. He’s in exactly the same boat for me. All he has got is the hope that Groves gasses out.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:23 pm 


Martin

@Boxing barlow

I have no problem with that prediction: in fact, Groves on points is what I’m leaning towards. What I definitely *don’t* think will happen is that Groves will have “an easy night of it”. *Nobody* has an “easy night” against Froch. That was, perhaps, hyperbole on your part, indicating that you think Groves will get a wide UD decision, but I think it will be much more closely contested than that. Anyhow, we shall see!

Posted March 5, 2014 5:22 pm 


TARK

I see a rough fight… I see rule infractions… I see Groves taking the first couple rounds and Froch coming on from the 3rd to the 7th, then Groves lining Froch up and dropping him about the 8th round.. After Groves fails to secure the KO finish, I see Froch upping the intensity and stopping Goves in the 10th or 11th after beating him with brutal intensity … and without letup on the ropes.

Groves does his best Jermain Taylor impression.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:20 pm 


Boxing barlow

Martin – I’ll give it a go. On fight night I had Groves winning every round up intil the eight. Taking into account the knock down that meant I had Groves 8 round to just one when he was stopped, 8 to 2 if he had survived the round. I felt Groves had gassed more than was hurt. Personally I blame Groves for throwing the fight away. My analysis of the fight was that Groves didnt actually expect to get to Froch as easily as he did. And by the mid point of the fight he was taking Froch’s shot that well that he engaged Froch is a war going for out and out glory. This was a mistake and around the 8th he started to run out of gas and Froch started getting to him. I must say though that if you watch the fight back and watch it in slow motion Froch wasnt getting to Groves with clean shots, but was more leaning, pushing, scuffing Groves but it was all energy sapping stuff. I expect Groves to come out and be conservative with his evergy this time round. He will not get carried away. He will pot shot at Froch for the first half of the fight and just get rounds in the bank. This will give him the energy to survive a Froch on slaught as the fight goes on. Groves on points is my prediction.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:14 pm 


Martin

@TARK

The Mitchell stoppage was early? Come on! He was taking barrages of punches without firing back. Joe was looking at the referee as if to say “Are you sure you want me to keep hitting this guy?”, and Mitchell was completely out on his feet when he fell back into the ropes. Seriously, what do you think would have happened if the ref had let it go on? As I remember it, Mitchell had serious concussion and had to be taken to hospital after that fight.

I agree that Sheika was an early stoppage, as was Manfredo, but again, there was only one way those fights were going, and no referee wants to leave it too late and risk the guy slipping into a coma after the fight (which is what had happened following a couple of other recent British Supermiddleweight fights).

Posted March 5, 2014 5:13 pm 


Boxing barlow

TARK – I agree the stoppage was a little early. The Shieka stoppage was early too.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:02 pm 


Boxing barlow

People rant and rave about Froch’s record but any fighters record can be pulled apart after the fact. Playing Devils advokat its easy to say Kessler has been blatently passed it for a few years so that win wasnt as great as it seems. We all now know Bute was massively over rated, so was that win as good as it seemed at the time? Mack is as much of a nobody as any bum fighter Calzaghe ever fought. Glenn Johnson has not been real world level for a while. Abraham was exposed by every A level fighter he ever fought and wont exactly go down as an all time great. Taylor was blasted away in more spectacular fashion by Pavlik (who himself never lived up to the hype). Pascal looked a half decent fighter until he was handed decisive losses against a the guy who Calzaghe beat in Hopkins. So where are Carl’s real defining fights? Ward is the only guy who you’ll ever be able to say is a really great fighter and he handled Froch with ease.

Posted March 5, 2014 5:00 pm 


TARK

“Byron Mitchel was another fighter robbed by Ottke and lost a unification fight via a split decision in Germany just one fight before Calzaghe knocked him out in two rounds.”

Mitchell was robbed again versus Calzaghe. They were both knocked to the canvas in that fight. Byron hit Joe with some dangerous punches. Calzaghe landed a punch that drove Mitchell back and the referee stopped it.

Mitchell said.., “That was amazing. There is no call for a stoppage if you get caught by a punch. It’s a fight. We were both caught with harder punches earlier in the fight, so why the stoppage at that point? … Unless you just want to make sure Calzaghe wins.”

Posted March 5, 2014 5:00 pm 


Martin

top fighters/touch fights

should have read

top fighters/tough fights

of course

Posted March 5, 2014 4:54 pm 


Martin

@Boxing barlow

Cosign! I was busy writing mine when yours appeared, but it seems we came to much the same conclusions. I totally agree with everything you say there.

Posted March 5, 2014 4:53 pm 


Martin

@kato3388

I can only really speak for myself (I have no idea how high Calzaghe may be on people’s lists in general, if they keep one: most people here only know Calzaghe because he was on “Strictly Come Dancing”, frankly) but I rate Calzaghe higher than Froch just because I think he was a superior boxer. Sure, Froch has an incredible record, and I can’t think of another fighter who has taken on so many top fighters/touch fights in his division one after the other as Froch has in recent years (starting with Pascal).

However, it seems to me that, had the two ever fought, Calzaghe would have won by a wide points margin. Froch is tough as nails, has a great chin, great heart, good power, and is always super fit. Calzaghe, however, had all that and more: speed, adaptability, elusiveness, footwork, and ring generalship. The way I see it, Froch would have been picked apart by Calzaghe in much the way that Lacy was. Sure, he would have done better than Lacy, but with his left arm held so low, and his somewhat flatflooted way of coming forward, Calzaghe would have kept hitting him with a barrage of punches and moving off to the side before he’d know where he was. Kessler said being punched by Calzaghe was bewildering, because so many punches came from so many angles at once: it’s like being surrounded. I think Froch, tough as he is, and with as much grit and heart as he has, would have experienced much the same.

So yes, one can make a case that Froch’s record is superior to Calzaghe’s, despite the latter remaining undefeated, but I doubt many would agree with you that Froch is a superior boxer, or that a prime Froch would beat a prime Calzaghe. At his best (e.g. against Lacy), Calzaghe was simply scintillating, and there’s a good reason he was ranked in the P4P top three by the experts.

Froch is good, but not quite *that* good.

Posted March 5, 2014 4:51 pm 


Boxing barlow

kato3388 – You cant really compare Froch’s career to Calzaghe’s. Had the super six not been around Froch would not have had the run of fights he did. People who are not educated on Calzaghe’s opponents are quick to question his record but those who were around at the time are aware of how good Calzaghe was. Brewer was a decent fighter who lost two fights which many thought he should have won against Ottke. Although you could argue Eubank was passed his best it was only 2 years previous that he dropped a split decision to Steve Collins. Robin Reid only lost the WBC title two fights before fighting Calzaghe and only had one loss on his record at the time of the fight. Woodall was in exactly the same situation. Byron Mitchel was another fighter robbed by Ottke and lost a unification fight via a split decision in Germany just one fight before Calzaghe knocked him out in two rounds. Then you’ve got Lacey, Kessler, Bika, and Hopkins who were all decent fighters at the time they fought Joe. When you look at the way Froch was dominated for 10 rounds by Jermaine Taylor. 9 Rounds by Groves you realise the only way Froch would have beaten Calzaghe would have been for him to gas out and for Froch to get a late KO. But Calzaghe’s conditioning was second to none. No fighter in the history of the sport had Joe’s output. Froch is so easily to hit by a fast fighter I honestly believe Calzaghe would have done a similar job on Froch to what he did on Jeff Lacey.

Posted March 5, 2014 4:38 pm 


john

froch again,groves has no stamina.

Posted March 5, 2014 3:52 pm 


Dino

talking of real men Anonymous,this site aint for kids like you,go kick your ball about or play marbles

Posted March 5, 2014 3:38 pm 


kato3388

@MARTIN – well said. Thanks for the explanation. I became a fan of Froch during the Jean Pascal fight. I saw something in him during that fight that made me take notice. Then the Jermaine Taylor fight, showed me he could finish. Taylor was a shell of his former self by that time but it was a pretty surprising finish.

OK, here’s another one MARTIN… Why is Calzagne so high on you guys (British fans) list?? If I compare Froch’s body of work and Calzagne’s… I’d go with Froch. True, Joe C has an unblemished record…. but so what? Big Fish Small Pond syndrome I believe. Similar to Chris John…

Posted March 5, 2014 3:34 pm 


Rich

He won’t make easy work of it…..He failed last time,he will fail this time

Posted March 5, 2014 3:04 pm 


Anonymous

groves is out of fuel after six rounds.good job he was not about when the real men went at it for 15 rounds.

Posted March 5, 2014 3:04 pm 


Boxing barlow

Groves wins all day long! He will make easy work of it this time too. The odds are great and im betting on Groves big time!

Posted March 5, 2014 2:57 pm 


TARK

AssyrianGod.., “If Groves sticks to boxing, and utilises his superior speed and movement he could win.”

True enough. He’s also younger and may punch a little harder. He has the edge in those 4 assets.

But he can’t box green bananas. Neither fighter can defend well in fact. In that situation the stronger, tougher, more experienced, and better conditioned fighter usually wins. In this particular matchup those advantages go to Froch.

Posted March 5, 2014 11:49 am 


Martin

@kato3388

Yes, the booing surprised me somewhat too, but British fans tend to be really loud and boisterous (not to mention drunk), and I think they just felt they’d been robbed of seeing the fight brought to its natural conclusion (“The referee’s a wanker! The referee’s a wanker!”, they were chanting). When Froch was then interviewed and said that he thought the referee made the right decision, this just riled the crowd even more, and they were presumably also irked by Froch’s reluctance to give Groves much credit (a little like the way Lewis was booed for not giving Vitali any credit immediately after their fight). A lot of them were also probably not loyal fans of either fighter, so were open to being swayed either way, and I guess Groves’s performance, and the sense that he’d been robbed, won them over to his side.

Posted March 5, 2014 11:25 am 


kato3388

@MARTIN – thanks for the followup.
I was shocked to hear the amount of booo’s when Froch won the last fight against Groves. I saw the fight totally different and just wondered when did the fans turn against Froch.

I am a fan of Froch, if I look at his complete body of work, I’d put him ahead of Calazagne for sure.

Posted March 5, 2014 10:56 am 


Anonymous

Froch Groves 11 how old you? 35 at most … trying to act is if you know more about boxing than someone else is like comparing pricks, and you’re the biggest one.

Posted March 5, 2014 10:23 am 


eric

If froch loses he may have to change his name from the “cobra” to the “gardner snake”.

Posted March 5, 2014 8:40 am 


dazza

Cant see this fight going much different from the 1st. If George has a plan B for the later rounds he wins easy, either by wide points or late ref stoppage. I think he is Froch’s kryptonite

Posted March 5, 2014 8:07 am 


TARK

It’s not as if Hatton had a prayer in Hell of beating Floyd, but Cortez allowed a lot of rough stuff to go on. He finally took a point when Hatton hit Floyd in the back of the head while Floyd was outside the ropes.

It was one of Floyd’s few KO’s. A good old fashioned beat down.

Posted March 5, 2014 2:09 am 


Fight Aficionado

“Yeah, was frustrating to see Joe Cortez keep breaking them up whenever Hatton got on the inside (the only place he had a chance): “you’re holding Ricky, stop holding Ricky!” he kept saying — even though Hatton was not holding at all, just trying to get close to land body shots. Cortez then let Hopkins get away with tons of holding and clinching and fouling against Calzaghe. Bent ref if you ask me. I’m glad he’s finally retired.” – Cosign Martin. Cortez was as corrupt as they come. Good riddance.

Posted March 4, 2014 9:34 pm 


Martin

“Floyd is better than him in every department, except aggression.”

Aggression, cutting off the ring, body shots…

But yes, I agree that Floyd probably would have won anyway, and is a far superior all-round boxer.

Done and dusted, as you say.

As for Froch knocking out Groves, yes, it’s definitely a very real possibility, especially if Groves fights the same tactics as last time (I’m pretty sure the ref did him a big favour in that round). However, it’s far from being a foregone conclusion.

Must sleep.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:53 pm 


Ray Ray

Either way Hatton an Kostya done and dusted, Floyd Hatton done & dusted. 2 of the retired 1 is no.1 pnd 4 pnd….this article is about Froch v Groves, Groves had his chance? Froch won’t make same mistakes he underestimated Groves….not this time & result will b the same…KO win 2 Froch.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:48 pm 


Ray Ray

Ha ha ha Keep hating…there was no need 4 Floyd 2 pay off some1 2 beat Hatton ha ha ha. Floyd is better than him in every department, except aggression. Yeah Hatton could have won if he was allowed 2 cheat & wasn’t tagged 2-1 & knocked out. Seriously 2 funny.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:42 pm 


Martin

If it gets that far, it will be interesting to see how Groves copes in the championship rounds. That’s where he’s likely to be most vulnerable, and Froch will be gunning for him. I can see Groves getting KO’d, but I can also see him winning a decision. What I can’t see is Froch winning on points, frankly — not unless he gets some 10-8 rounds on the way.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:42 pm 


Martin

Oh yes, the topic of the thread!

Posted March 4, 2014 8:39 pm 


Martin

“Hatton v Kostya was in Manchester….after seeing how that went down there’s no way Floyd was fighting there…”

That was never on the cards anyway.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:39 pm 


Ray Ray

Froch will spank Groves…..another KO on the way.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:38 pm 


Martin

“smart move from Floyds camp”

What? To pay Cortez to keep Hatton off him. Well, “smart” is one word for it, I guess ;-).

Posted March 4, 2014 8:38 pm 


Ray Ray

Hatton v Kostya was in Manchester….after seeing how that went down there’s no way Floyd was fighting there…

Posted March 4, 2014 8:37 pm 


Ray Ray

Martin-Hatton got away with enough holding/wrestling against Kostya. Not 2 mention the low blows & rabbit punches….this was pointed out & talked about in depth b4 the Mayweather fight, smart move from Floyds camp.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:34 pm 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Froch’s countrymen haven’t turned against him. Casual fans talk about how outrageous it was for Froch (as WBC #1 contender) to challenge WBC champion Calzaghe years ago – they have turned against Froch. Glory hunters who support the dominant football team from their youth & the boxer who looks like the rising star – they’ve turned against Froch. Boxing fans who appreciate Froch’s long and impressive career haven’t. Some are torn as they rate & like both fighters (not unusual in a big domestic fight), some prefer the fighter more local to them.

Groves could be a real prospect if he can box a whole 12 rounds like he did in the first few against Froch. I hope he can improve his stamina and defence, if he can’t he will likely gas again and Froch will catch up with him again. Groves struggled with the rough stuff and being taken out of his tempo – imagine him against Andre Ward, the current king of rough house tactics. If he can learn to defend himself against Froch he may even be a serious challenge for Soggy.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:32 pm 


Martin

Yeah, was frustrating to see Joe Cortez keep breaking them up whenever Hatton got on the inside (the only place he had a chance): “you’re holding Ricky, stop holding Ricky!” he kept saying — even though Hatton was not holding at all, just trying to get close to land body shots. Cortez then let Hopkins get away with tons of holding and clinching and fouling against Calzaghe. Bent ref if you ask me. I’m glad he’s finally retired.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:28 pm 


Martin

Right, done my bits for Anglo-American relations. Time for kip.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:11 pm 


Martin

Okay, true abut the pies.

Best moment of Floyd in Manchester was when he went out to greet them and they all started chanting:

“Who the fu ckin
Who th fu ckin
Who the fu ckin hell are you?

Who the fuc kin hell are you?” etc.

Then his massive bouncers came out and got:

“Who ate all the pies?
Who ate all the pies?
YOU fat bastards!
YOU fat bastards!
YOU ate all the pies!!”

The fans were about a metre away from Floyd and his bodyguards. F uckin’ hilarious to watch and see the look on their faces.

Hatton’s “you’re pissin in the wind son” was also priceless.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:08 pm 


Martin

Ha, yes: he was sure in for a rude awakening when he went out to meet those fans. I would have been there, but was living in Mexico City at the time.

Posted March 4, 2014 8:00 pm 


Martin

Pukka pies cost a quid mate. You must be from down south or something. And Greg’s is better anyway.

No, true, don’t remember the build-up and hype to Hagler-Hearns, but I certainly remember watching the fight (young as I was), and I also remember the build up to plenty of others. What’s your point? What do you think I’m missing?

Posted March 4, 2014 7:57 pm 


Martin

Btw, speaking of Ricky Hatton, his sense of humour, and the British being gentleman, my favourite moment in boxing outside the ring was Hatton’s speech inside Manchester townhall in the run-up to the Mayweather fight. F ucking hilarious! Even funnier was Floyd’s reception outside the town hall on the same day. Afterwards Floyd said “I was told that British men are gentlemen. I now I know not to believe what you are told.” LOL!

It’s all on Youtube, and if people haven’t seen it, I strongly recommend that you go and watch.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:53 pm 


Martin

Eh? I remember Hagler-Hearns, Hagler-Sugar Ray Leonard, and Tyson before he became world champion.

Just started following boxing? Hardly!

Posted March 4, 2014 7:49 pm 


Anonymous

“If they put it in a soccer stadium Froch-Groves will draw 100,000 fans who eat tons of hotdogs and pretzels and down 1000 vats of beer.” HAHAHAHHA!

TARK you haven’t a got a clue! Hotdogs and Pretzels. LOL

Posted March 4, 2014 7:45 pm 


Martin

“Groves has got the bigger swagger, not Froch, Froch can back it up, Groves is very disrespectful.”

I guess a lot of it has to do with perception. I see Groves as playing games to get inside Froch’s head, whereas Froch has a real sneer about him much of the time, and blows his own trumpet far too much for my tastes.

Anyway, since I’m British, and thus an unfailing gentleman, I was responding to @kato3388’s query, which no one else responded to.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:44 pm 


Martin

@Fight Aficionado

Yup.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:40 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Thanks Martin. You’re British, correct?

Posted March 4, 2014 7:37 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“during the 1930′s they had several fights that reportedly has over 60,000. The record may have been the Len Harvey- Jackie Peterson fight, which it iwas reported 90,000.” – Nicolas, JC Chavez vs Haugen in the 1990s drew about 100,000 fans. It had two or three title fights on the undercard in addition to the main. Great card at Azteca Stadium.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:36 pm 


Martin

@Fight Aficionado

A good point well made.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:33 pm 


Martin

@kato3388

Last comment was in response to you too — had a lot of trouble posting.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:33 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I’m going with Froch. Even though he was getting outboxed most of their first bout, he started timing Groves late and his durability will keep him in it whereas Groves could get worn down. Great fight and props to both of these real live men who don’t duck tough assignments. Dozens of divas in this sport should be forced to do the same.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:33 pm 


Martin

Can’t be bothered to type all that again, but what I think what it boils down to is that we generally don’t take well to arrogance, or to people who like blowing their own trumpets.

For that reason, the likes of Hamed, Mayweather and Broner will never be popular over here.

Groves, on the other hand, while confident, doesn’t strike people as overbearing or arrogant in the way that Froch sometimes does.

Froch is appreciated as an exciting fighter, but less so as a personality. If he’s less popular now, it may be because of the way he acted in the run up to the Groves fight (i.e. like a bit of a primadonna, demanding that Groves respect him more etc.), and because he was perceived not to have given Groves the credit people felt he deserved.

Anyway, that’s the impression I have about these things; others may beg to differ.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:32 pm 


Martin

Damn — lost the rest of my comment!

Posted March 4, 2014 7:28 pm 


Martin

@kato3388

I think the thing to understand is that the British don’t tend to be too keen on people who have a “swagger”. We prefer our sportsmen and sportswomen (indeed, people in general) to be down-to-earth, have a sense of humour, and a sense of humility. Self-deprecatory humour definitely goes a long way. Hatton had all this in spades, as did Bruno, and that’s probably why they were the two most popular boxers over here in recent decades.

Posted March 4, 2014 7:27 pm 


St Vitus Dance

Who wins? The best man on the night. I actually think it may fail to live up to the hype with Groves boxing smartly off the back foot. I think Froch has taken some unfair stick he has fought a murderers row of fighters over the last few years, and I’m not sure he can go to the well once more. Hope the undercard is one with depth though

Posted March 4, 2014 7:16 pm 


Martin

“Why did Froch’s countrymen turn against him?”

Why do you think they have?

Posted March 4, 2014 7:00 pm 


kato3388

Since I had no takers, I’ll Post this again……..

I have a question to my brothers on the other side of the pond, when did Carl Froch become “The Bad guy”??? I have been following British stars for a while now, and am intrigued by my fellow countrymen on that side who posses an uncanny swagger. Prince Nassim, Ricky Hatton, Froch, Khan, etc.. etc…

Froch does have swagga’, but rightfully so… he’s taken on almost everyone in the division with only 2 losses, 1 to Ward and 1 to Kessler. His fight against Groves was a pretty good one. But who was George Groves before his fight with Froch? Why did Froch’s countrymen turn against him? After I saw the fight, I think the referree certainly screwed up and stopped the fight prematurely but, I saw it more that he stole a clear and concise victory away from Froch. He took the KO away. So, can someone please answer me… thanks.

Posted March 4, 2014 6:39 pm 


Froch Groves 11

Calzaghe v Lacy had a big buzz about it, Calzaghe v Kessler about the same, Froch v Groves 11 has a bigger buzz about it, especially at Wembley stadium, I am talking as a Boxing fan.

Posted March 4, 2014 6:24 pm 


Ray Ray

Tark-true…..either way Froch v Groves shouldn’t touch that….

Posted March 4, 2014 6:20 pm 


Martin

@Victoria

“2 idiots hitting each other faces and people pay for it – very STUPID – we have millions kids who is starving now – better spend money on it. Just think a bit about it….”

Okay, Victoria, but no more shoes or make-up or expensive clothes or perfume for you either.

All your money, beyond basic necessities, goes to people who are too stupid and ignorant to use condoms from now on, okay?

Posted March 4, 2014 5:02 pm 


Martin

@TARK

“If they put it in a soccer stadium Froch-Groves will draw 100,000 fans who eat tons of hotdogs and pretzels and down 1000 vats of beer.”

How can I tell you’ve never been to a football match in the UK?! LOL!

I think the “hotdogs and pretzels” is very much what your fans do at what you call “football”.

People won’t be eating, but yes, there will be huge numbers of people (possibly as many as 80,000), and vast quantities of beer.

Posted March 4, 2014 5:00 pm 


Martin

I think this fight is going to be really close, like the Froch-Kessler fights, but that George will get the nod.

Posted March 4, 2014 4:57 pm 


Anonymous

dino. do you do road work with tyson fury.

Posted March 4, 2014 4:27 pm 


Victoria

2 idiots hitting each other faces and people pay for it – very STUPID – we have millions kids who is starving now – better spend money on it. Just think a bit about it….

Posted March 4, 2014 4:26 pm 


Dino

you can train has hard as you like!but if you have stamina issues it makes no difference!Froch ko,s him again,i think Groves will go all out early,but froch will be ready for it this time

Posted March 4, 2014 4:20 pm 


Anonybum

Anonymous sux big time

Posted March 4, 2014 4:14 pm 


Anonymous

eddie hearn let the hype begin.

Posted March 4, 2014 3:41 pm 


TARK

Ray Ray…, “Calzsaghe v Kessler was @ millennium stadium infron of 90plus thousand…..good luck beating that.”

That was 50 thousand fans for Calzaghe and has already been well beaten… If they put it in a soccer stadium Froch-Groves will draw 100,000 fans who eat tons of hotdogs and pretzels and down 1000 vats of beer.

Hearn is right when he says it’s the biggest fight in British Boxing History by far… You’ve got a lolipop who wears red pants fighting a broken nosed pub fighter. They hate each other… Their first fight was killer action—and controversial—so who doesn’t want to see the encore???

It’s pretty exciting. It’s like going to see Hagler-Hearns II. The bitter contempt is there and neither is hiding it.

Posted March 4, 2014 3:35 pm 


Anonymous

Anonybum

I see Anonybum the homo is back. How you doing Princess? :) Are you still fantasizing about Elton John?

Posted March 4, 2014 3:26 pm 


Anonymous

John C

it’ll be more than 60,000 Wembley has a capacity of 90,000. I suspect it’ll be closer to 80,000+

Posted March 4, 2014 3:24 pm 


Anonybum

Anonymous you sux big time

Posted March 4, 2014 3:22 pm 


Anonymous

skinnysteve

“who cares who wins chavez jr KO’s both inside 3 rounds”

Hahahaha funny comment of the day!

I don’t think Charvez Jr beats either Froch or Groves, but he might last a little longer against Froch. Groves fast attacking style and power would flatten Charvez in double quick time.

Posted March 4, 2014 3:21 pm 


John c

Holla at you 60,000 isn’t a bad number though is it ? I watch all the big fights stateside and you don’t have many big crowds over there ! I mean I know Andre ward is the best in the division by a long way but I’m sure in his home town ( he won’t fight anywhere else) he struggles to get 8’000 we get that for a English domestic title fight over here

Posted March 4, 2014 3:18 pm 


John c

Skinny Steve lol you kidding right?

Posted March 4, 2014 3:14 pm 


Anonymous

will groves be super fit for 7 rounds like last time.

Posted March 4, 2014 3:04 pm 


Anonymous

Peej .. For once I agree with you

Posted March 4, 2014 2:54 pm 


Anonymous

Groves wins. Froch can’t take a punch like he used to, it happens to all fighters, Groves had him in deep trouble more than once, particularly in that first round, if there had been more time on the clock Froch would of been KO’d. Groves used up too much nervous energy last time, if he stays more composed, he’ll not only be more accurate, he’ll be dangerous with his punches. Groves is a good fighter, fast and powerful with good fast footwork, but he needs to be more calm and more precise with his punches, like Mayweather and Rigondeaux and Ward … those guys stay very calm in the heat of the battle. Groves let’s his emotions get the better of him, he needs to be more cold blooded and calm. If he does that, he’ll KO Froch.

Posted March 4, 2014 2:47 pm 


hekahusia

In the first fight Groves told Froch exactly how and when he was going to hit him and he did, repeatedly; with the overhand right. He nailed him at will. Froch is a sucker for right hands. Groves is going into the fight knowing that Froch is slow and clumsy. Groves will have an even more educated right and Froch will eat them all night, if Froch is not stopped, he may retire on his stool.

Posted March 4, 2014 2:36 pm 


Ray Ray

Hate I-phones…. Froch will KO Groves. And Hatton v Kostya with 1 s

Posted March 4, 2014 2:27 pm 


Ray Ray

Froch will Lo Groves….biggest fight in Brittish history? Hatton v Kosstya? Calzsaghe v Kessler was @ millennium stadium infron of 90plus thousand…..good luck beating that.

Posted March 4, 2014 2:26 pm 


typhoon

Biggest in britidh boxing …….. more like biggest media macinine in history at work,,,,, sadly real sport was lost a long time agp,

The sheep will follow the this average fight as the media machine will mug them

Posted March 4, 2014 2:25 pm 


Kid Hammer

The question arises; will Groves gas run out like it did

before?

Posted March 4, 2014 2:24 pm 


orthodox stance

Eddie is a salesman, that’s what he does. BS is his bread and butter. Will be a good event though either way.

Posted March 4, 2014 2:01 pm 


PEEJ

I think he trained hard but I think his mentality is that he would easily beat him and that was were he may have been at fault. I sort of compare it to when I play basketball. Sometimes I play to the level of my comp and when that happens you tend to play lazy. Or when I judge a player by how he looks and I don’t get myself in the right mind set to play hard, when they come out better than I thought, sometimes it is just hard to pick up the tempo. I think that is what happened in this fight. The rematch will determine that

Posted March 4, 2014 1:57 pm 


dwc

Froch wins this…this time the ref will be carefull not to stop it to early…

Posted March 4, 2014 1:57 pm 


Anonymous

Carl the Cobra’s Crotch will be ko this time. Calslapy would beat him easy!

Posted March 4, 2014 1:37 pm 


moonshineman

That’s sad.

Posted March 4, 2014 1:35 pm 


kato3388

PEEJ, that’s exactly what i think. Froch came into the first fight, and didn’t give Groves the respect he deserved as a fighter and took him too lightly. Maybe Froch didn’t train as hard. I dunno… but, I always hear fighter say, I didn’t ‘get up’ for that fighter in training, etc.. etc…

Now Froch’s got something to prove.

And dare I say, Froch is a better fighter than CALZAGNE ever was.

Posted March 4, 2014 1:31 pm 


kato3388

I have a question to my brothers on the other side of the pond, when did Carl Froch become “The Bad guy”??? I have been following British stars for a while now, and am intrigued by my fellow countrymen on that side who posses an uncanny swagger. Prince Nassim, Ricky Hatton, Froch, Khan, etc.. etc…

Froch does have swagga’, but rightfully so… he’s taken on almost everyone in the division with only 2 losses, 1 to Ward and 1 to Kessler. His fight against Groves was a pretty good one. But who was George Groves before his fight with Froch? Why did Froch’s countrymen turn against him? After I saw the fight, I think the referree certainly screwed up and stopped the fight prematurely but, I saw it more that he stole a clear and concise victory away from Froch. He took the KO away. So, can someone please answer me… thanks.

Posted March 4, 2014 1:24 pm 


deepwaterz1234

froch wins

Posted March 4, 2014 1:16 pm 


Sad Ken

That’s two thirds to three quarter of the way through I mean.

Posted March 4, 2014 12:59 pm 


Sad Ken

Unless Groves gets on his bike, it will be a repeat of last time, but this time there can be no argument. Froch TKO around the 2/3 to 3/4 mark.

Calzaghe v Froch wouldn’t have even been close. Froch would barely have landed a glove on Calzaghe. Maybe his power gets him a flash knockdown, other than that Calzaghe by a landslide.

Posted March 4, 2014 12:58 pm 


TARK

Froch wins again… Probably faster — and this time legitimately.

This will be the biggest fight in British History by a long shot. Everyone wants to see it. It’s an extemely dangerous fight for both battlers because they’re wide open.

For some reason Froch-Groves is electric — it just works.

It’s two swingers who get punched in the face a lot and can throw very hard — like Hagler vs Hearns — except neither Froch or Groves has a soft chin like Tommy.

Tommy wasn’t interested in a return fight with Hagler but it would have broken all records IMO …. Just like Tommy was never interested in fighting Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, James Toney, Reggie Johnson, or Sumbu Kalambay. They all would have found that glass chin.

Calzaghe was never interested in fighting Froch. He wasn’t interested in getting blasted out any more than Tommy was.

Posted March 4, 2014 12:51 pm 


cometry

Hyped up as usual by Eddie….

Posted March 4, 2014 12:49 pm 


Usually correct

I’ll be putting my money on Froch as per usual. He’s made me a good few quid in the past, so see no reason why he won’t take Groves more seriously this time and finish him by round 8.

Posted March 4, 2014 12:44 pm 


spartacrust

I think groves will take froch out in the first 4 rounds to be honest…groves knows hr can hurt him badly, if there was an extra minute left in that first round I think groves would’ve stopped him!

Posted March 4, 2014 12:10 pm 


skinnysteve

who cares who wins chavez jr KO’s both inside 3 rounds

Posted March 4, 2014 12:10 pm 


Zinadine

Only a promoter and Floyd Mayweather’s ego are ticket sales more important than the fighters involved as far as “importance in history.”

SRR vs. Turpin I and II was bar far one of the biggest in British history.

Posted March 4, 2014 12:09 pm 


Anonymous

Should Have been at the millenium stadium, closed roof – the atmosphere would be buzzing!!!

Posted March 4, 2014 12:02 pm 


PEEJ

I think Froch may come in and KO Groves. He may have taken him a little lightly and plus the knockdown in the first round may have caused him to lose a few rounds and gain his barrings back. Ill take Froch by KO

Posted March 4, 2014 11:57 am 



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