Oh,and Tark….This is a good time to teach boxers what and how to apply a particular varriation of a left hook to the body if the boxer does not have the natural skills to do so. Especially the part of “how to get in position to throw it. This being easy to explain maybe you can tell them how……God bless…..kenny weldonPosted October 10, 2012 7:14 pm
One other thing Tark ,you named several different fighters and asked what it is that they do not throw.There are 10 fundamental punches in boxing .There are 32 variations of those ten punches .Dependent upon the fundamental weaknesses or strengths of each of those boxers .A good teacher would enhance those weaknesses with variations ,dependent upon the boxers natural skills.First,as an evaluator you must be able to teach fundamental correctness.Secondly,you must recognize the boxers natural skills through the process of teaching fundamentals.Then one must teach the boxer how to “vary” those ten fundamental punches to fit the boxers natural skills. If not ,the boxer will never be as good as he or she could be.This is why it takes so long to develope a good fighter.Most are developed by” trail by error” now days because “blenders” are almost non- existant today.As much as you read,I am amazed you did not know that. Anyway..boxing is being destroyed in America ,through its rules.The amateur rules have taken away some of its greatest assetts.We will be much better off once the ten point must system is restored. I say may be much better off,because’ blenders’ are rare these days and most have gone…like ring generalship and fundamental pursuit…..God bless…..kenny weldonPosted October 10, 2012 12:07 pm
Tark….be aware of some facts. Every boxer is built differently with different natural skills.Some are lefthanded ,others right. Some are tall and some are short. Some under developed,some overly developed.Natural skills of these boxers are what they should be built around.How some coach builds around those skills, limit their ability to execute a few moves or punches they may need against certain opponents. Many times this is what makes the difference in who wins.Mike Tyson for instance, was made for Evander Holyfield.Taking Mike out of his fight to add a few things was not going to happen. Why ?…because Mike was not going to let them do that.Neither was his trainer…..God bless….kenny weldonPosted October 4, 2012 7:01 pm
Tark…..prepairing a boxer to fight an opponent is not just a game. Boxers compete with all aspects of an opponent .Adding punches “not natural” or fundamental is dangerous even did under the instruction of
Floyds greatest assets are his skills.Mayweathers greatest liabillity today is his loss of range through age and laziness.His greatest strengths may or may not off-set these liabillities .I did not like his weight over his front foot from the outside in attempts to bait his opponent recently, because of his loss of range and his slowing feet . Either way ,he is not the Mayweather of old. His corner is outstanding…….God bless…..kenny weldonPosted October 3, 2012 4:20 pm
undoubtedly wladimir klitschko’s game has changed/improved more than any other fighter under steward or that steward ever trained. I mean you look at at wladimir before steward and he can hardly move compared to his footwork now. the footwork, the use of range and measuring. the accuracy, the balance, the over all ring generalship. Even throwing the punches themselves i cannot see anywhere, where steward did not improve wladimir’s game. I honestly believe wladimir has “become” one of the greatest of all time. If you look at ANY of wlad’s fights before steward and you look at wlad of the last few years. He’s a whole different fighter. and that can be seen in many facets of his game and is undeniable.Posted October 3, 2012 10:08 am
I’m sure if Tyson Fury and David Price can throw left hooks to the body, although theirs are not that masterful at this time, Wladimir can learn. Of course at 36 maybe it’s a little late to go there.Posted October 2, 2012 11:13 pm
Grasp the nettle, that is just silly, walk around it after getting stung on the shins.Posted October 2, 2012 10:05 pm
When that happens ,it usually does so because “outside people” beyond the control of the chief cornerman has forced it upon him.This is really becomming common today and people are losing major bouts over it. Manny too,is miss quoted at times or questioned by some commentator whom means well ,but does not know the game….God bless…..kenny weldonPosted October 2, 2012 6:53 pm
Kenny is right about a couple of things… Yes, of course the boxer suffers when the chief second is wrong. Grass is also green–and the sky is blue.. Yes, of course the boxer doesn’t always listen to the chief second. I’ve seen calm and amused expressions on the faces of Danny Garcia, Floyd Mayweather Jr, and Lennox Lewis that said, “My whole damned corner is losing their cool – I can’t lose mine… If I follow their stupid advice I’m toast. I wish they would shut up so I can think.”Posted October 2, 2012 12:05 pm
Kenny Weldon – Well said. A lot of what you say is simple common-sense …. which is why many people on here cant grasp it.Posted October 2, 2012 11:40 am
THIS LITTLE MESSAGE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER WORKED CORNERS AT AN ELITE LEVEL……Boxers do not always listen to you.They are the person in the ring and feeling the pain.You see the big picture better than they do,but they are getting the results of your opinions many times.You will be correct many times and at times wrong.Having been on both ends gives Manny an advantage over many who have not boxed .Having been there and done that is a big advantage for a cornerman.The experience of being a teacher and a former boxer and a cornerman makes sense to anyone with common sense.Making mistakes is part of the job.The boxer pays the price when you are wrong and recieves the benefits when you are correct.Unlike many ,Emanuel Stewart has been correct most of the time.He is the real thing.Always remember as a boxing fan ,it is easy to run off at the mouth about what coulda ,shouda ,woulda happened in a fight,but that team in the corner and guys like Emanuel Stewart made the difference in winning and losing….and in Mannys case,Winning is the difference….God bless….kenny weldonPosted October 2, 2012 10:16 am
Manny Steward’s gotten several favored World Champions knocked out by underdogs: Tommy Hearns KO’d by Iran Barkley… Lennox Lewis KO’d by Hasim Rahman… Wladimir Klitschko KO’d by Lamon Brewster… Vivian Harris KO’d by Carlos Maussa… Jermain Taylor KO’d by Kelly Pavlik… He tells his fighters to go for the KO when it’s not the smartest thing … If you watch the youtube video of the Lewis-Tyson fight you’ll hear Steward screaming at Lewis, “GET THIS MFer OUT OF HERE!!! HE’S DANGEROUS!!! Lewis sits passively, not responding as Steward screams. After the fight reporters asked Lewis, “Why didn’t you go for the early KO like Steward asked.” Lewis said, “I didn’t want to do that. Tyson is a very dangerous puncher and I wanted to soften him up with the jab for a few more rounds.”Posted October 1, 2012 8:26 pm
You don’t KO everyone in Boxing so there’s no use making excuses for not knocking everyone out. The fact that some of your opponents go the distance and lose by a wide point differential means you can beat the sluggers, the durable guys, and the clever skillful guys. You’re not a killer who gets outjabbed, outboxed, and outpointed like George Foreman. Haye is a great fighter and very good defender, but he lost to Wladimir by a wide margin, broken toe and all. Manuel Charr was not a Top-10 type of opponent. He was undefeated and unknown, with no real opposition and he lost on cuts. It’s not a fight to judge Vitali on because Charr was an unharolded swan song type challenger who may not be heard from again … Vitali fought very well against Adamek, winning every minute of every round against a 44-1 accomplished boxer who had never been stopped—and at 40 VK stopped him … Vitali might have reached a biorhythmic high that day like a pitcher hurling a no-hitter when he’s hummng on all cylinders.Posted October 1, 2012 7:45 pm
HeavyweightBlog (dot) com
@BEARS “When he beats povetkin it will be a third time.”
As far as I understand the WBA politics behind the belts, as soon as Wlad will beat Povetkin, the new WBA heavyweight belt goes to another person (not Wlad) or goes vacant.
Wlad is WBA superchamp, meaning that he cannot defend his WBA belt as often as a simple WBA champ. That’s why they invented the “regular” belt in the first place: To have more world title fights (i.e. $$$).Posted October 1, 2012 7:24 pm
The Russian Tyson
It`s true. There really is no substitute for Emanuel Steward.Posted October 1, 2012 6:57 pm
It is of my expertise opinion that there is no replacing the irreplaceable and incomparable Emanuel “Manny” Steward! Having him in a fighters corner is the upside difference between life and death, between winning a close fight or losing in a bloody massacre with a lesser trainer of inferior motivational and tactical skills. There are those novices who would dare to argue with my unparalleled knowledge of the sweet science, those are the same $10k a year hacks who also predicted that an over matched Marvis Fraizer would take the heavyweight crown away from Larry Holmes!…..Howard Cosell, telling it like it is!Posted October 1, 2012 6:37 pm
It’s hard to argue your point, Bear…it’s the same belt that Don King was able to secure for his man John Ruiz for almost a decade.
In my opinion, John Ruiz helped destroy the aura of the Heavyweight division.Posted October 1, 2012 6:10 pm
When wlad got the belt from haye it was essentially getting the wba belt for the second time. When he beats povetkin it will be a third time. Wba is garbage and so is hayes campaign at heavy thus far. To me haye himself is garbage for his lack of a fighting spiritPosted October 1, 2012 6:05 pm
You’re right Bear. it’s hard to take Haye seriously at times. But, based on his most recent performance against Chisora, he deserves more credit than most Klitschko fans are willing to give him.
I would like to see Haye in numerous match-ups. i would love to see him againt Pulev, Eddie Chambers, Steve Cunningham, Tomasz Adamek, Robert helenius, Chris Arreola…like him or not, the heavyweight division is better with Haye in it.Posted October 1, 2012 6:03 pm
But seriously, guys…getting back on topic, when I spoke to Sugar Hill about this fight between Wach and Klitschko, he stated that this was fortuitous that Wlad chose Wach as an opponent at this time.
Before Emanuel became ill, he didn’t see anything about Mariusz that could potentially trouble Wladimir.
But it’s going to be really interesting to see if Emanuel not being there affects Wlad’s performance.
James Ali Bashir is a very good trainer but he is not the strategic genius that Steward is. But, it won’t take a strategic master to come up with a game plan against the overmatched Wach.Posted October 1, 2012 6:00 pm
I agree. I think with his left arm. That shovel hook is an integral part of vitalys game he could’ve stopped chisora although that’s hypothetical. I would also say I ont think haye would stop adamek like vitaly DID DO. Trouble here is hayes not even active. He announceshis retirement after every fight. He begs klitschkos for a fight instead of earning one. Which he could force a title fight if he were half as good as he says he is. Beat 3 good high ranked contenders and be mandatory challenger. And to the guy below saying haye was champ. Not really. Chagaev was and then wlad won the title from chagaev. Rafael and roach on epix basically said wba was garbage. Haye does not act like a warrior.Posted October 1, 2012 5:59 pm
Thanks, Beer Party…i did mean the Kingpin Johnson.
And Tark, they are poor examples because of the reasons I just mentioned in my previous message.
Johnson didn’t want to fight and was in a defensive shell…hard to hit a crafty defensive fighter who doesn’t let his hands go…that has nothing to do with Vitali being past his prime.
Also, in the Chisora fight, Vitali was injured and fought with one arm.
Like I stated, poor examples.
Look at his performance in his most recent fight with Charr. If that version of Vitali faces Chisora, he knocks him out.Posted October 1, 2012 5:47 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Kenny Weldon – Hi old comrade :-) Long time no sea!!! Nice to have you back.Posted October 1, 2012 4:59 pm
@Herron… “Those are very poor examples.” Why? Those are examples of a past his prime Vitali going the distance with guys he probably would have smashed a year or 2 earlier.. Holmes was a great technician when he was over 40, but he didn’t knock people dead.. You have to give Vitali some space—a W is a W even at 41. It’s better than getting beaten up by Trevor Berbick or Danny Williams.Posted October 1, 2012 4:34 pm
Beer Party Movement
Joseph – Mitchell ? dont you mean Johnson.Posted October 1, 2012 4:16 pm
Tark, Mitchell didn’t come to fight and Briggs’ corner or the referee in charge should have stopped the fight within the distance. Poor Shannon took a horrific beating that night.
Those are very poor examples. Any trainer or fighter can tell you that the right hand doesn’t have a more surprising or dramatic effect without the left hand lead to hide or mask it’s appearance. With the use of his usual probing jab and hard left uppercut or hook, it would have given Chisora more to think about while marching inside Vitali’s defense.
Vitali didn’t have use of his left hand throughout the majority of the contest; ultimately limiting his punch output and arsenal.Posted October 1, 2012 3:53 pm
Herron says, “There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that Vitali could have had Chisora out within the distance had he been 100% healthy.” Chisora is a tough guy so there was considerable doubt in my mind VK could stop him. My bet was a VK decision because he didn’t put Briggs or Johnson out when he was 100% healthy. He doesn’t have the firepower he had a few years ago, although he’s still a wonderful technician and that’s why he’s never been behind on points. The Vitali who fought Sam Peter at age 37 stops Chisora in about the same time frame. I believe Vitali’s career is finished now, but he was the best heavyweight ever.Posted October 1, 2012 3:36 pm
I wish Sugar Hill being a mediocre trainer would make the Wach fight a real give and take event, but Wlad will dominate again. Banks and Stevenson on the other hand should be far more worried about Sugar being in their corner. He practically let Andy Lee almost lose to a guy he should of KOed midway through the fight. he didn’t seem much help between rounds from I remember. Lee catching McEwan lucky in the ninth was the only thing that kept him from losing a decision. Salita should be okay because they’re still throwing him bums two years after getting sparked out by Khan.Posted October 1, 2012 2:37 pm
Meh, that’s not the way boxing works…styles make fights and so does a fighter’s health. There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that Vitali could have had Chisora out within the distance had he been 100% healthy.
His KO ratio is a pretty convincing argument as to why.
Also, your argument is an immature one comparing mutual opponents.
Because Pacquiao stopped DLH in convincing fashion and KO’d Ricky Hatton in a more impressive manner doesn’t necessarily mean that Pac is a better fighter than Floyd and would defeat him in a head to head match-up.
Styles make fights and boxers have different showings against different opposition.
It’s ultimately why they fight the fights.Posted October 1, 2012 2:07 pm
What’s the ailment Manny suffered?Posted October 1, 2012 1:46 pm
bears he won a belt and against a common foe he got the better result than noodle armed vitaliPosted October 1, 2012 1:37 pm
another bum fight to pad the resumePosted October 1, 2012 1:36 pm
HeavyweightBlog (dot) com
@Neil “How can he be “undisputed” when Vitali holds a version of the title?”
Because the term “undisputed” is disputed.
For some it means 3 belts, for some it means 4 belts.
Already now Wlad has held more belts (WBA, WBO, IBO, IBF, RING) for a longer time than any of the undisputed HW champs before him.
Additionally he acquired all belts one by one, not by beating 1 guy with 2 or more belts (like Lennox Lewis, or Evander Holyfield), which makes him not only lineal champ (by taking it away from belt holders) but also the establisher of a new lineage.
Hence Wlad is not only undisputed, but also the undisputed’est of all time.
And: Don’t worry, as soon as Vitali retires, Wlad will get the WBC belt, too.Posted October 1, 2012 11:21 am
Thank you Joseph, I pray you are well. As George Benton once told me “All boxers are born different ,with different bodies and minds.It is the job of the teacher to put them togeather. Manny would be that teacher….God bless….kenny weldonPosted October 1, 2012 11:17 am
What most people don’t understand is how brilliant Emanuel is as a strategist and a sports psychologist.
His ability to reach his pupils and get the most out of them is unmatched.
For example, he is the only trainer to ever get the most out of Oliver McCall. When no one gave him a chance to defeat Lennox Lewis, Emanuel figured out the gameplan on how to time and catch the all time great heavyweight.
Lennox had the advantage in every variable going into the fight with the exception of humility, and Emanuel exposed it.
Emanuel knew that Lennox would be throwing the straight right hand with reckless abandon and not worry about anything coming back, so he worked on that exclusively in the gym with Oliver and it paid off.
At the time, no one wanted to take that assignment…but Emanuel did and the rest is history.
Emanuel is by far the best trainer in boxing…period!!Posted October 1, 2012 11:15 am
Kenny, very well stated coming from one of the more underrated and underappreciated trainers in the sport.
You are a true credit to whomever you train and I hope everything is going well.
I hope everyone on this site appreciates your insight into the fight game, because I absolutely do.
God Bless and best wishes, Kenny!!Posted October 1, 2012 11:09 am
I like you Tark…..but many do not understand
Haye is a 2-Division World Champion, has accomplished a lot at heavyweight where he’s beaten good heavyweights like Chisora very decisively… Obviously his legacy is way behind that of Wladimir and Vitali.Posted October 1, 2012 10:19 am
Wladimir has been with Steward for about 10 years and has spent countless hours talking boxing with him. Steward’s main contribution is getting more range, power, and deception on the jab, and how to keep the jab fresh and sharp for 12 rounds. He’s improved Wladimir’s stance and footwork quite a bit and Vlad always had a great left hook and right hand. At this point it’s a lot of repetition and WK knows everything Steward knows… Maybe another trainer could teach Vlad a left hook to the body, which he does very poorly.Posted October 1, 2012 10:13 am
I don’t know who would beat whom, but Wlad has fought the best opponenets lately, no doubt, hence for me he is undisputed nr 1. I also agree with Bill below that Haye should always have gone after Vitali. Today I’d give Haye a fair chance of beating Vitali,(potentially with KO)Posted October 1, 2012 8:49 am
As a Wlad fan the loss of Steward makes me worried. Wlad is a fighter who stumbled in the past and seemed very much revitalized with Steward. I dont think this will be a problem vs Wach but it could be a problem later to come.Posted October 1, 2012 8:38 am
Id agree. Wladimir is the faster, the more technically skilled and the better boxer. Vitali on the other hand is tougher and more akward in style. It is a very tight contest as to who is the better fighter.Posted October 1, 2012 8:00 am
I have never really agreed with Bill but what he says is obviously true that Wlad is the better brother in every aspect other than toughness. He is faster, more skilled, more elusive and hits harder. Weirdly though I would have Vitali as favourite against Wlad (just not everyone else) as he could possibly take what Wlad brings but feel that Wlad would eventually crumble against the truley iron toughness of Vitali.Posted October 1, 2012 7:55 am
Bill (KlichKO brothers are the best REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS ever)
@no.2…Another baseless BS from you. No facts based conclusions. Just hollow BS…I say, Vladimir is the strongest KlichKO bro. He is a better BOXER, he’s faster, stronger, he hits harder (he has that one punch KTFO power unlike Vitaliy), has better defense, better offense, better legs, is more experienced, is younger.Posted October 1, 2012 6:59 am
As long as Vitali draws breath in the Heavyweight division, Wladimir will always be No.2. Wlad is an athlete, Vitali is a fighter. Vitali KO’s Wlad every day of the week. Unfortunately we will never get to see it.Posted October 1, 2012 6:47 am
Bill (KlichKO brothers are the best REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS ever)
Neil is trolling as usual. there is no reason to explain him this stuff SBF.Posted October 1, 2012 6:27 am
Bill (KlichKO brothers are the best REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS ever)
@no.2…hahahah, you are a laughingstock. bring some facts to prove me wrong, clown.Posted October 1, 2012 6:25 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Neil (pomy) – Well its true that Wladimir’s older brother Vitali is a recognised title holder, the WBC world champion but Wladimir is as we all know well the nr.1 heavyweight boxer in the world. I mean Wladimir Klitschko has the prestigefull Ring Magazine world heavyweight championship belt along with the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO world title belts and have been the world heavyweight champion sence 2006, so I feel he deserves to be recognised as a undisputed and unified heavyweight champion of the world. The brothers will never fight etchoter so there is no point for maing arguments on that one. But I understand what you mean that usally a fighter most have all but this is a special case.Posted October 1, 2012 6:24 am
How can he be “undistputed” when Vitali holds a version of the title?Posted October 1, 2012 5:20 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Wladimir Klitschko, 1996 Olympic super heavyweight gold medalist, 2-time world heavyweight champion and the reigning undisputed and unified heavyweight champion of the world sence 2006! Those things says a lot about how good Wladimir is but even the most skilled fighter have someone to thank for all lessons ans Wladimir haves Emmanuel Stewart for his achivemts as the current ruling champ with over 10 straight dominating world title defences. At this stage in Wladimir’s career he knows evrything he needs to know about boxing but those skills and physic can’t replace evrything ellse around a boxer’s life in the ring. All houers of time in training programs and preperations for each fight is something the trainer is there to help his fighter go threw in hope for making him have the best chanses in a fight. I wish Emmanuel Stewart all the best in his recovery. There is a big reason that Stewart have made so many tallented fighters to recognised world champions aqnd that is becouse Stewart himself is the best trainer!!!Posted October 1, 2012 4:42 am
HOW COULD BE THAT THE HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD DOSEN’T HAVE ( A SECOND ) IN COMMAND ? WLAD IS A “EXTREMLY” TALENTED BOXER/PUNCHER AND A FORMER GOLD MEDALIST AT THAT , BUT KNOWING THE SUPERB GIANT HE WILL CHOSE A COMPETANT MIND TO LEAD THAT CORNER IN THE ABSENCE OF STEWARD ! BUT FOR ANYBODY TO COME AND SAY THAT ( THERE IS NO RE-PLACEMENT FOR EMANUEL STEWARD ) IS A LITTLE ARROGANCE COMBINED WITH IGNORANCE !!! IT IS CUSTOMARY IN MOST SPORTS ( BOXING ) INCLUDED ! FOR THE SECOND IN COMMAND , THE ASSISTANT TRAINER TO TAKE CHARGE IN THE ABSENCE OF THE LEAD TRAINER , HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN THE SCENARIO PLAY OUT IN THIS SPORT ?WLAD ALREADY KNOWS WHO HE WILL HAVE RUN THAT CORNER ON THAT NIGHT BAR NONE ! HE HAS BOXING MINDS THAT HAVE BEEN WITH FOR MANY YEARS, AND HE …AND HE ALONE WILL DECIDE WHICH OF THOSE MINDS WILL RUN THAT CORNER. THERE’S ONLY ONE ( EMANULE STEWARD ) AND UN FORTUNATELY HE IS NOT LIKELY TO BE THERE THAT NIGHTPosted October 1, 2012 2:27 am
Hey Bill I would of thought for a nuthugging fanboy like you are, at least some respect would be shown by getting you idol’s name spelt correctly. Dr Steel Hammer the 2nd best heavyweight out there.Posted October 1, 2012 2:23 am
Without Emanuel Steward Wladimir would never be No. 1. But I think over the years Wladimir had learned so much from Emanuel Steward that he knows how to train and what. But at fight night it is important to have a trainer in your corner you can trust him more than 100 %. So I hope Emanuel will recover to be in Wlad´s corner. If not, Sugar Hill would be a very good choice because he is a man Emanuel trust 100 %. But I would not like to see another coach for fight night in Wlad´s corner. So I cross my fingers for Emanuel´s recovery.Posted October 1, 2012 2:11 am
Bill (KlichKO brothers are the best REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS ever)
I wish all the best to Steward. But I’m convinced that the living boxing legend Vladimir KlichKO, the most experienced real heavyweight boxer ever, who has performed 61 fight against 200+ lbs boxers is a great trainer for himself. At this point he has received so much unique experience on the highest level of the professional sport that he knows exactly what to do, how to prepare, how to maintain a great shape between the fights, he knows basically everything about professional boxing. Plus he has picked the best team in the business…James Bashir alone is one of the best boxing tacticians nowadays. So, current Vladimir is basically the best real heavyweight ever and is able to pass all of these obstacles. Anyway I wish Steward the fastest possible recovery.Posted October 1, 2012 12:43 am
He is absolut right. I hope Emanuel Steward will be in Wlad´s corner at fightnight. I hope he will recover soon.Posted October 1, 2012 12:09 am
For 4 year
Hope Mayweather retires soon, never wanted to fight Pacquiao, slowed up Boxing, go away Money Mayweather, not be missed.Posted September 30, 2012 11:07 pm
Hope Steward recuperates nicely. He’s been great for boxing.Posted September 30, 2012 10:51 pm