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Ivan

Tark, make up your mind – are you an amateur, a pro or a coach who has trained hundreds of boxers? You can’t fool anyone, you have too many gray areas in your “expertise”. Boxing is not an easy subject you can muster on the Internet and then start snobbish boasting. Impostor or just a joker – do as you like but ask your questions nicely, don’t phrase them as criticism. I have not rejected your inquiries so far – your bad manners should not be depriving you from the opportunity to learn.

Posted December 9, 2013 2:51 pm 


TARK

“every technique from professional boxing exists in amateur boxing as well”

Not the 12th round assault after your opponent has punched himself out…

Like Joey Maxim telling Ray Robinson, “You punch like a girl dude. You don’t belong at light heavy. You’re too skinny and weak dude.” Robinson wasted himself by the 10th and tried to hang on. It was a hot night for a miiddleweight to try to KO a 175-pounder.

Posted December 8, 2013 11:54 pm 


Derek

“every technique from professional boxing exists in amateur boxing as well” nope, not the 4-round rope-a-dope.

Posted December 8, 2013 9:51 pm 


TARK

Idiot Ivanov says…, “tark: If you ever tried on headgear and tried boxing with it, you would know it does not help one bit. It does not protect you from hard blows at all and makes scoring shots seem harder. Headgear only protects you from cuts to some extent but it makes your head bigger and it catches some additional glancing shots.”

I used headgrear every day for years when I was an amateur and professional boxer… Every pro used headgear and larger gloves when sparring because they limit the impact of punches… They help a great deal — and if you weren’t such an idiot, and had ever boxed, you would know this.

Unfortunately you’re just a 5th rate scribe who writes ridiculous crap.

Posted December 8, 2013 6:57 pm 


TARK

Bum Sniffer… You’re dumber than Ivanov.

Maintaining form is difficult as your energy stores gets depleted you dumb bunny… That’s what happens in a 12 round fight — and the combination of larger gloves and headgear allows you to absorb punches better you IDIOT!!!! You have to be a lot more skillful if you have smaller gloves and NO headgrear.

You two morons are probably the same person… It’s unusual to have 2 such flaming idiots in a country of only 300 million people.

Posted December 8, 2013 6:50 pm 


Bumwatch

The Tard says: The lack of headgear requires more skill in avoiding head butts and knocks. It’s harder to maintain perfect form for 12 rounds than 3 rounds.
No, head gear requires “more skill” because you have to protect the head gear too. What skill do you have in mind, you either avoid being hit or not. Perhaps you know how to take shots with more skill? Poor Tard.
Maintain perfect form for 12 rounds? Not unless you are statue. Perfect form does not include taking shots. Try to think of one boxer who avoided getting hit for 12 rounds. Don’t tell me it’s you. Perhaps your perfect form requires you to be hit so you skillfully take the punishment.

Posted December 7, 2013 10:47 am 


Ivan

tark: If you ever tried on headgear and tried boxing with it, you would know it does not help one bit. It does not protect you from hard blows at all and makes scoring shots seem harder. Headgear only protects you from cuts to some extent but it makes your head bigger and it catches some additional glancing shots. No wonder it’s being scrapped by Amateur/Olympic wise-guy officials. Don’t expect to see much of it anymore.

Posted December 7, 2013 10:02 am 


TARK

Another dumb premise this pundit puts forth.., “amateur boxing requires more technical proficiency, discipline and form than prize fighting.”

No it doesn’t…

Any more than being an amateur dancer requires more skill than masterful professionals use in teaching amateur contestants for “Dancing with the Stars.”

You need more skill when making a good living at something than doing it for fun. In addition, smaller pro gloves require stronger defensive skills. The lack of headgear requires more skill in avoiding head butts and knocks. It’s harder to maintain perfect form for 12 rounds than 3 rounds.

There’s a whole host of matters that require better skills in the pros. Your premise that amateurs require more skill matches the rest of your babble.

Posted December 6, 2013 5:25 pm 


junior

Jake my point is the amateur boxing association are planning to phase out the use of the word amateur and replace the term ‘amateur boxing’ with the term ‘Olympic boxing’. My point being that only boxing in the Olympics can be called Olympic boxing

Posted December 6, 2013 4:43 pm 


Ivan

Loveboxing, it’s true you have to be in shape to hit hard. If you are not in shape you still have the hand speed but you “can’t use your body” very well as you put it. The power comes from the quick transfer of weight. Unfortunately for some punch power does not change for a boxer no matter what he does. Once he reaches his potential at about 23-25 he’s done. It’s how you use that power and whether you can apply it.
Hand speed is even more important than power and it is a ‘birth right” as well. That’s why people who never trained anything in their life can have faster hands than an elite boxer. It doesn’t mean they could ever beat the boxer.
Having power and speed still does not make you a boxer but it helps a lot. There are a lot of other elements as well but if you work hard you’ll have an advantage over not so gifted people who work harder.

Posted December 6, 2013 1:14 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

Junior I’m not sure what you’re leading to by your Olympic statement, but I too was a boxer and I went and won regional golden gloves but I never went to state, or nationals muchless Olympic with that said I would never concider myself Olympian Status. I probably misinterpreted your statement so don’t take offence. To achieve olympian status is to have torn through regionals, state, and nationals. that is some serious determination, and discipline. It would’ve been nice to have achieved those hurdles to the olympics. My speed, my skill, my power just wasn’t as good as the ones I lost to. there’s no shame in it. I’m 50 rs old and I love my sport, Amateurs and Pros alike.

Posted December 6, 2013 12:17 pm 


Loveboxin

Can´t hear it anymore, all the people are saying that “you are born a puncher, depends

on genetics” hell no thats just not true, it all just depends on how you use your body !!!

Punching Power is just a technique, you can learn it too !!! First of good punchers use

more energy than just technical guys, because it takes more energy to generate that

power from your legs trough your Body until it concentrates in your fists. Thats one of

the reasons why good punchers wear down much faster than guys who can´t punch

that strong, they simply use less energy for their punches. For example jean pascal that

dude can punch as hell, but do you remember that Hopkins said he is a 6 round fighter ??

Thats one of the reasons!!! Let´s keep it short, the faster you punch the more

energy you need, the stronger you punch the more energy you need, the better your

balance and overall punching technique (generating the Bodyweight + the energy

from the legs in the fists) is, the less energy you need to punch strong.

In my upinion, is a mix between speed and power the best, because you can annoy people with your speed and hurt them. Another fact is, that punches which you don´t see tend to knock you out, so a slow very strong puncher will have a hard time doing this. A very good example for speed and power is “yuriorkis gamboa” or “guillermo rigondaoux” these guys are amazing !!!!

Posted December 6, 2013 10:00 am 


Cheezb

Nice article. I do see the amateurs cop a lot of flack in the forums here and elsewhere in the media (e.g. prior to the Donaire bout, there were so many people completely writing off Rigo’s amateur background as irrelevent… many of those same people still make the same statements about Golovkin).

Posted December 6, 2013 8:34 am 


junior

This doesn’t make sense lol. Im an amateur boxer, I cannot call myself an Olympic boxer because I havnt boxed in the Olympics

Posted December 6, 2013 7:10 am 



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