HAHAHAHAH Calzaghe actually got into the HOF – must have felt bad for UK fighters(actually European fighters)Posted December 10, 2013 4:15 am
Lol at Tark……!
Lol.Posted December 8, 2013 5:49 pm
Calzaghe is a drugs cheat.Posted December 8, 2013 1:18 pm
calzaghe beat a 43 year old popkins and an ex peds cheat in jones. WOW.Posted December 7, 2013 1:21 pm
@ Idiot…, Calzaghe didn’t beat Hopkins by out-boxing him… He was in a 2-point hole right off the bat after getting knocked on his ass..
JC won because he edged Hopkins on a SD with speed, toughness, and durability — and the fact that he was 36 and B-Hop was 43. That was the main factor.Posted December 7, 2013 1:17 pm
Anonymous you have called me out as a drug dealer with absolutely no grounds or proof, but I have all the grounds and proof to let you know 100% that you worship a drug taking fella in your hero Joe. So, not only are you a liar, but you are a hypocrite as well who is bitter because Joe didn’t let you sniff his crack!
TRUTH HURTSPosted December 7, 2013 7:42 am
Anonymous is a real tool. FACT.Posted December 7, 2013 7:19 am
Don’t worry Truth. Everyone hates Anonymous.He’s a delusional keyboard warrior from Staines.Posted December 7, 2013 3:28 am
Anonymous is a RACIST
Please get this racist Anonymous off this site.Posted December 7, 2013 2:59 am
Hilarious! You sound like a childish teenage school kid.
Go back to dealing drugs to school kids little boy. You couldn’t be anymore childish even if you tried. You’re a total idiot. Your parents must be totally ashamed to have a pathetic immature idiot like you for a son. I’d tell you to grow up but I don’t think you’ll ever achieve it, there’s no doubt you’ll remain a childish drug dealing idiot for the whole of your worthless life.Posted December 6, 2013 10:17 pm
Anonymous, the total loser is you and your mum for having you. I have never, smoked, handled or even been anywhere near any sort of narcotic. It shows how stupid you really are assuming things of people you know nothing about and also shows how immature you are to post as me with your ridiculous comments just because I dared to question the man you jerk off to every evening before you sleep and morning when you wake up would only be found in your own personal collection to Jerk off to.
TRUTH HURTSPosted December 6, 2013 6:10 pm
Did i read the author right. Calzaghe amongst the great…. haha That is ticklish… Some of these new breed boxing fans cant stop but keep amusingPosted December 6, 2013 5:31 pm
Lol at Tark……
TARK.. “You’re easy to beat by any 30′s something fighter who can box.” and TARK… “That’s what happens to old guys when they fight anyone really good.” ….But you just said Calzaghe was a “flailing brawler.” So you are saying Calzaghe was “really good” “could box”, but was just a “flailing brawler.” Make your mind up ffs, you are all over the place as usual. As for Calzaghe v Froch.. Go on youtube and watch the Sky Ringside video, where Calzaghe and Froch are both stood in the ring and talk about who would have won the fight.. Froch says “I am honest enough to admit the only way I could beat him would be to knock him out, if it went the distance he would do me on points, because of his hand speed.” Froch then goes on about Calzaghe’s “workrate, fitness, style and toughness,” then again states that the only way he could have beaten Calzaghe was to “chin him.” His words, not mine… Google it TARK, just type in “calzaghe froch ringside.Posted December 6, 2013 4:11 pm
slapper joe no way.Posted December 6, 2013 3:44 pm
“Actually, I am very successful in my own field, supplying entire schools with weed and I have achieved more than you in your anonymity ever will.”
TRUTH HURTS – A DRUG DEALER!!! what a TOTAL and UTTER LOSER!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!Posted December 6, 2013 3:41 pm
And B-Hop still around years later dumb ass. He’s just not fighting the best LHW’s … What does it matter if you’re 43 or 46??? You’re an old man either way clown.
You’re easy to beat by any 30’s something fighter who can box.Posted December 6, 2013 1:17 pm
Lol at Tark…
TARK… “Chad certainly gave Hopkins a more conclusive defeat than Calzaghe did.” Four YEARS after Calzaghe beat Hopkins..Posted December 6, 2013 11:24 am
I usually like TARK’s posts, but he’s talking a lot of nonsense here. Floyd-DLH was a close fight, Oscar should have been given the decision in DLH-Mosley II and Mosley also knew what he was doing when he used the ‘juice’.Posted December 6, 2013 10:33 am
Tark – OMG ive almost just fell off my seat laughing at your comments. Froch would have beaten the tar of of Calzaghe? Are you serious?! Did you see what Groves did to Froch for 8 rounds? What Taylor did to Froch for 9 rounds? Imagine what Calzaghe who was a better boxer than both Groves and Taylor, who had the ring IQ and endurance to last the 12 rounds unlike Taylor and Groves, would have done to Froch. Froch went down a few times in his career but I cant honestly think of a time when he was genuinely hurt or had to hold on. You say Calzaghe was made for Froch, well I think most on here would agree it would have been Froch who was made for Calzaghe. I honestly think Froch would have got a Jeff Lacey style beat down if they had have met. Froch is so slow and Calzaghe was so quick Calzaghe would have just been able to hit him at will. Calzaghe’s endurance was second to none as well and he never gassed out in fights. Froch was not too far away from getting a similar beat down from both Taylor and Groves.Posted December 6, 2013 6:57 am
De la hoya is the most deserving guy on the list and im not a fan . Quartey was a beast .Posted December 6, 2013 5:52 am
Actually, I am very successful in my own field and I have achieved more than you in your anonymity ever will. You obviously have to resort to abuse as you are still trying to think of the list of memorable fights Joe had that you stick on your DVD player. There are only 2 or 3. Lacy, Kessler and some might say Eubank. Learn to read. My comment did not say he was rubbish, but he did nit have many exciting or memorable fights out of 46. LOL
TRUTH HURTSPosted December 6, 2013 4:28 am
“Mosley is an honest guy and was just too trusting and naïve”(?). TARK, i think that either you’re a bit too trusting and naïve Orrr you’re applying a blatant double-standard. since when has self-professed ignorance been a credible alibi for You? i can recall at least one case in recent history when even the corroboration of the fighter’s trainer and a HOF list of other prominent trainers wasn’t enough to convince you that ignorance was an excuse(?). or that one incident wasn’t damning evidence of cheating his entire 42-fight career. during which you claim that 42 separate corners and commission reps failed to detect any wrongdoing. 42 consecutive times. including some big times. i think that You’re just as wrong about Mosley’s “naivete” this time . . . and one more time.Posted December 6, 2013 2:07 am
I have no complaints. Calzaghe did dominate a division for a long time, even if he beat nothing but tomato cans and past prime greats. De La Hoya never bean an elite fighter, but be did fight every elite fighter in his generation and became the next superstar after Sugar Ray Leonard. Trinidad was great to watch and he produced some epic wins, despite being one dimensional.Posted December 6, 2013 2:04 am
quick someone open the window for TARKs credibility.Posted December 6, 2013 1:20 am
What have you achieved in life compared to Joe?
Oh yes that’s right … NOTHING! And you never will. LOSER! :) The truth hurts LOLPosted December 5, 2013 10:40 pm
Calzaghe was supposed to beat Hopkins… The man was 43 years old for kri sake … and if Floyd is still fighting in 7 years I expect him to get his ass kicked all over the place. That’s what happens to old guys when they fight anyone really good.
Kessler was Calzaghe’s top opponent and he was terrible.
Ward—with only 20 fights under his belt—basically made Kessler look like a bumbling novice. Ward hasn’t fought a good boxer yet—because I think Chad Dawson was washed up when Ward fought him—but Ward fought Froch, who Calzaghe refused to fight on several occasions. In my view Froch would have beaten the tar out of Calzaghe … just the perfect style for Froch like the wide open Bute was.
Eventually Ward will probably fight Kovalev, who is a much better fighter than Calzaghe ever was.
Another good fighter Calzaghe had a chance to fight was a prime Chad Dawson. Dawson has had problems lately—but he was good enough at that time to have beaten a flailing brawler like Joe Calzaghe… Chad certainly gave Hopkins a more conclusive defeat than Calzaghe did.Posted December 5, 2013 8:33 pm
Anonymous. How many fights of joe’s do you Wak up an think I really must watch Calzaghe and…. nope. His career was built on shifting sands on fights that will forever be on the shelf, collecting dust.Posted December 5, 2013 8:10 pm
anonymous. Are you stupid fella? I asked how many good fights was he in, not how many champions did he beat. Learn to read. LOLPosted December 5, 2013 8:08 pm
3 DESERVING HONOREE’SPosted December 5, 2013 7:34 pm
LOL at this Night Stalker loser. It’s obv he’s SRedmond who is also Supreme Court. Fact.Posted December 5, 2013 7:31 pm
Hamster…, “But RJJ and Mosely (and Holyfield) you seem to let their drug taking go – why because they seem like nice guys?”
I don’t… I’m against anyone who uses PEDs—or cheats in any way. But not everyone who’s accused is guilty.
There is strong evidence Holyfield is and was a cheater for his entire career… He used the phony name Evan Fields to purchase PEDs on the black market. There’s nothing you can say to explain that away.
Mosley is an honest guy and was just too trusting and naïve.
He didn’t deliberately take PED’s but he admitted he didn’t have the cream BALCO gave him chemically analyzed after they told him it was a “vitamin” formula. He thought the Zinc tablets they gave him actually slowed him down. He sued Victor Conte 12 million, saying he told Conte not to give him anything illegal and Conte assured him everything was legal. He thought EPO was legal for boxers at the time so he knowingly took it. He had no idea that any steroid was in “the cream.” Mosley now feels he would have done better without the regimen because he felt so much better the 1st time he fought De La Hoya.
With Roy Jones the Ephedrine was in a weight loss product called Ripped Fuel. Roy didn’t know it was banned. The steroid was in a nasal decongestant. Both were over-the-counter. Things like that frequently happen. Roy never bought anything on the black market.
At times manufacturers surreptitiously lace supplements with cheap steroids to make athletes believe they’re more effective than they really are. They distribute the supplements to retailers who sell them over-the-counter to the public. Strength trainers and nutritionists buy them and offer them to their clients, who are sometimes NFL players, Major League players etc. They test positive in their league’s anti-PED program … and they’re bewildered.Posted December 5, 2013 7:18 pm
Nice….refreshing 2 read something that isnt focused around he said she said yes no 2 tests and money saga that is Floyd vs Pac. All 3 of these guys are worthy 4 the hall….all respectful inside and outside of the ring…..all 3 fighting top guys especially Tito and ODH…Posted December 5, 2013 6:42 pm
46 and Joe won them all. Go to Wikipedia and count up all the world champions he beats, you can count can’t you? LOLPosted December 5, 2013 6:17 pm
Fight Aficionado is a racist factPosted December 5, 2013 5:40 pm
@ Public Enemy-dude your a clown. You got no credibility on these board. You should learn to like the entire sport and stop being so resentful of Mexican fighters. Don’t hate, appreciate. If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t have a sport to argue about.Posted December 5, 2013 5:33 pm
“Mosley never intended to cheat… He thought everything he was taking was legit… But Conte fooled a lot of athletes…” – TARK if you believe that you are truly deluded. All the guys going to BALCO knew exactly what they were getting. Here in SF we had hard-working journalists who were reporting every detail of it. They were investigative journalists, not boxing beat reporters. Mosley withdrew his absurd lawsuit against BALCO and told the truth eventually — but only under threat of prison time. Mosley is a liar, cheater, and PED abuser. Fact.Posted December 5, 2013 5:29 pm
Da UnKnown Comic
3 Bums!Posted December 5, 2013 4:35 pm
Sheika, mitchell, lacy, eubank, brewer, kessler all great to watch.
Ssshhhhhhh dont mention lacy, some are still getting over it, he was going to expose joe, then al of a sudden nobody gave a damn.Posted December 5, 2013 4:32 pm
Yeah beating no hook lacey is not worthy but in all honesty joe did more than I ever thought he would so im cool with him in the hall.Posted December 5, 2013 4:04 pm
Boxing Barlowe. You say Joe Calzaghe was your favourite fighter. How many great fights was Joe in? Seriously, I’d like to know?Posted December 5, 2013 3:56 pm
The only people who care about the bogus Hall Of Fame are Americans. It’s a crock of crap always has been always will be.Posted December 5, 2013 3:23 pm
I`ve got no problem with people saying Hopkins-Calzaghe was close, there were enough scrappy rounds that were very difficult to score because Calzaghe wanted action and Hopkins wanted to hug, lead right, hug lead right his way through.
Overall despite it being close, and especially since Hopkins got aa 2 point start I am very happy that Calzaghe deserved to win on the night.
Hopkins said Calzaghe throwing 1000 punches a fight was 1000 chances to counter, and well he didn`t. He threw lead rights, went in head first and hugged, while Calzaghe worked him over as he tried to do so.
It`s Vegas, and the judges favoured the aggressive guy actually trying to fight, and who was landing more punches.
Even Kellerman said “Bernard isn`t trying to win, he is trying to not lose too badly”.
Basically Hopkins expected a gift on the cards if he made it through without getting a Lacy-like lesson.
TARK I am amazed at how cynical you are in certain situations – e.g presented with a scientific report you say “Oh I don`t trust that it is funded by interested corporate bodies”, when it is pointed out that in fact it is government you say “Oh I don`t trust them they are bought and paid for”, basically admitting you trust noone.
With Margarito, you don`t accept any possibility the trainer could act without the boxer knowing, despite numerous top trainers saying when asked, they could put something in their fighters gloves without their knowledge.
Peterson, you are actually right down the line with the science and we all had to light up Vivek on here for his amateur twisting of it.
But RJJ and Mosely (and Holyfield) you seem to let their drug taking go – why because they seem like nice guys?Posted December 5, 2013 3:13 pm
Always said joe would be a great, i remember before the lacy fight the yanks on here claiming to a man lacy would expose joe.
Hmmmmmmmm.Posted December 5, 2013 1:26 pm
Tomato Can Stan
barlow – Lacy was never the same after that beating. Boxing can be a cruel sport. One day you’re a hot prospect, the next day forgotten. The same thing happened to Meldrick Taylor at the hands of Chavez. Thats why I’m not in favor of sustaining a 12 round beating. It can damage your health and ruin your career. If you’re being outclassed, call it a day and live to fight another day. No shame in that. I think Avarado did the right think against Prudnikov.Posted December 5, 2013 12:06 pm
3 Great fighter who all deserve to be mentioned in the HOF. Personally Joe Calzaghe is my favorite fighter of all time (not the best just my favorite). Watching him beat Jeff Lacey round the ring for 12 rounds was probably one of the best boxing related nights Ive had.Posted December 5, 2013 11:48 am
Tomato Can Stan
Public Enemy – Yeah, the same Vargas that de la Hoya starched ? He certainly didn’t “run” against Vargas. Besides, “true Mexican” fighters don’t use peds. Oscar certainly outboxed Tito, I think he was just wary of the left hookPosted December 5, 2013 11:17 am
Hey guys, special announcement : I’m sorry about all my trash talk about the Klitschkos. I’m starting to see the light. The Klitschkos are real class acts, unlike that dull mother*cker Lewis. Gosh, Lewis was an abysmal commentator, didn’t seem too bright. I noticed he didn’t last too long. Roy Jones is much more insightful. Lewis turned down a mega payday because he didn’t want to face the nightmare of Vitali again. I’m finally coming around. Thanks guys !Posted December 5, 2013 10:29 am
Yo public enemy my man making excuses? You mean like you do everytime a boriqua fighter loses?…. Again I speak the truth and truthly I respect Vargas but I’ve never really been a fan of his at all but in the Trinidad he got dropped what was it something like 3 4 times in the 1st rd than came back to make close the gap that’s when my man Tito threw those low blows right?…. And my man de la Hoya was on fire against Tito lets be real yes de la Hoya gave the last 5 rds away but before that you know it he gave Tito a boxing lesson!Posted December 5, 2013 10:12 am
The HOF, is gaining three great fighters IMO!Posted December 5, 2013 8:59 am
Jonn E. JaGozza
I always liked Oscar as a fighter and the thing I liked about the guy was that he fought everyone when they were in their prime, Hopkins, Mosely, Tinnidad, etc … He ducked no one, he put a positive face and spin on the sport and gave it some Hollywood appeal, my wife never wtatched
They are all hall of fame worthy but I would have made joe calzaghe wait a few years just because his greatest performance was against no hook lacy. Other than that his undeafeted record and close win over hopkins makes him a candidate for the hall. To be honest for joe to be a true all time great he should have takin the rematch with hopkins after hops beat pavlik that was his moment but he didnt take it.Posted December 5, 2013 3:13 am
Best you remain anonymous, FOOL!Posted December 5, 2013 2:55 am
The Hall of Fame don’t mean crap. Totally unimportant.Posted December 5, 2013 1:52 am
Congrats to all 3!!! You’ve been IMMORTALIZED.Posted December 5, 2013 1:26 am
It’s not that Oscar took a dive in the Hopkins fight… He wanted to win the fight, but he didn’t want to take a brutal beating if the fight started turning against him…
DLH didn’t want to end up like Trinidad… Hopkins was 39 and you never know when age will get somebody … But after 6 rounds of a pillow fight B-Hop started warming up and getting shots in. By the 8th round Oscar was in full flight… He didn’t want to be charged with running like a dog again, like happened in the Trinidad fight.
So this was plan B.Posted December 5, 2013 1:13 am
“So TRUE Tomato Can Stan…. So TRUE.”
Good to hear that from Tomato Can Stan and you Tark. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought DLH took a dive in that fight.Posted December 5, 2013 12:38 am
So TRUE Tomato Can Stan…. So TRUE.
Oscar should get a real Oscar for that performance… “Protect my face and leave my body slightly open.. Brace myself for the rib shot.. Uuughh.. Ouch!!! … Now I really have to sell the idea that I can’t beat the count.. I’ll pound on the canvas in frustration.. Eight rounds and change is enough for 25-million dollars.”
Later.., “The fight was so much easier than I expected.”Posted December 5, 2013 12:22 am
Tomato Can Stan
“only fought Hopkins at a catch weight, quit on his stool vs Paqman..” – I think he faked that body shot pain too. You can slam your glove on the canvas but can’t get up ? A well-placed body shot immobilizes and paralyzes. Oscar was in over his head against a bigger man and took the easy way out.Posted December 4, 2013 11:27 pm
JC, greatest Super Middleweight ever. Congratulations!!!Posted December 4, 2013 11:12 pm
Right Santa Muerte.., Oscar had some gift decisions go to him like the outrageously rigged Sturm fight. So he should have a few more losses.
He’s the most overrated boxer since Ali… All media hype.Posted December 4, 2013 10:40 pm
Judges often get it wrong… But not 80% of ringside reporters.
When Joey Maxim beat Floyd Patterson, all 11 sportswriters at ringside had Patterson winning the fight easily. It was a dead rip off.Posted December 4, 2013 10:12 pm
Comes from upbringing….That’s why I wear my mom’s panties. I love the cotton feel. Men appeal to me that’s why I stress my strong points of vocabulary… I am ashamed of being associated as Mexican… Dad was from south east Asia…. I am a product of the Phillapines military base. Mom was Mexican while on the other hand daddy was a Philapino… I can’t even stand to spell Phillapino correctly. I’m trying to forget my upbringing cause pappy was off boxing and kicking mucho Mexican butts…. What am I to do?Posted December 4, 2013 10:02 pm
It’s not as if Vargas wasn’t KO’d a lot of times… Trinidad KO’d him… Mosley KO’d him… Nando was an accident trying to happen. He was a true cheater and caught red-handed like Morales and Berto.
Mosley never intended to cheat… He thought everything he was taking was legit… But Conte fooled a lot of athletes into believing his BS that, “Everything I’m giving you is legitimate and nothing is a banned substance.”
That was BEFORE they tested positive and were banned from their sports. Mostly it was Track & Field athletes… But after he went to prison for PED distribution, Conte found boxers to be far more naïve, gullible, and trusting than any other athletes.
Now his group is creating testing protocols for Boxing… Talk about foxes guarding hen houses.Posted December 4, 2013 9:59 pm
FIGHT AFICIONADO, DLH v. Vargas is the only documented case of a DLH-Hater actually stepping into a boxing ring to prove DLH was a “fraud”. Vargas was wrong . . . (lol).Posted December 4, 2013 9:55 pm
“spend my every hour on ESB trying to impress others (mostly other men) with my vocabulary” and i sometimes take my “vocabulary” for granted(?!). “Thank You” Tribute Tumbo for pointing it out. impostors, Take Notice . . . (lol).Posted December 4, 2013 9:53 pm
“Vargas’ case, he almost had no choice. he had talked so much crap about DLH, a KO win had practically become mandatory. fortunately, it was DLH who claimed the KO win, in legendary fashion.” – Yeah Oscar’s win over Vargas was a storybook ending. The athlete who played fair beat the hulking cheater by devastating KO. Too bad the judges elected to cheat the honest athlete of his rightful win over roids raging Mosley. NSAC should’ve reversed that result, and they should not have thrown out his post-fight urine sample for retesting.Posted December 4, 2013 9:48 pm
I am so full of myself I can barely stand to be with myself!!! I hate myself! Ahhhhhh!! I have no life but rather spend my every hour on ESB trying to impress others (mostly other men) with my vocabulary. Gotta go, time to tAke my meds……Posted December 4, 2013 9:47 pm
It is called the Hall of FAME. Stallone is in. DLH is a superstar and fought for real. Nuff said. Calzaghe is a European legend and world star retired UNDEFEATED. Trinidad a star ducked NOONE. HELL OF A CLASS YOU ASK ME!!Posted December 4, 2013 9:45 pm
“Sr, said Hatton was smarter and a faster learner than Oscar”. Agreed. DLH was never the ring-smartest fighter. just fiercely-talented and motivated to be the best. bad habits and all. he was also proud to a rigid degree. not surprised that even Floyd Sr. couldn’t break all of his bad habits. however, DLH’s fight-game was noticeably elevated during Floyd Sr’s. tenure and noticeably slipped thereafter.Posted December 4, 2013 9:42 pm
Yes I agree, Tito Trinidad was a warrior and ducked nobody. What more can I say? He will go down in history as one of the best, ATGPosted December 4, 2013 9:38 pm
FIGHT AFICIONADO, greed and a desire to claim DLH’s “golden” thunder was obviously an overwhelming incentive for Shane and Vargas. in Vargas’ case, he almost had no choice. he had talked so much crap about DLH, a KO win had practically become mandatory. fortunately, it was DLH who claimed the KO win, in legendary fashion.Posted December 4, 2013 9:36 pm
Floyd Sr was good for Oscar… However Sr, said Hatton was smarter and a faster learner than Oscar. He only did 2 fights with Hatton, but about 7 years with Oscar. Senior also said he could never get Oscar to get his head back, get the best extension on his jab, or get a right lead off smoothly … Oscar had bad habits Sr. found impossible to break. He had 20 years of boxing before Floyd Sr took over.Posted December 4, 2013 9:36 pm
“That’s not true… Jack Mosley never told Shane that…” TARK, all i can suggest is for you to take the time to ACTUALLY WATCH AND LISTEN TO THE FIGHT. no need to take my word for it. it was all captured on videotape. as was Shane’s admission that he was juiced by Balco for the rematch.Posted December 4, 2013 9:33 pm
“Shane Sr. told Mosley that he needed a KO to win. also, watch Mosley’s corner while the scorecards were being tallied. the picture of utter resignation followed by relief and shock at the official tally. Mosley definitely won their first bout, but he was most likely juiced for that one as well.” – Cosign Tumbo. Mosley was utterly shocked the judges gave him that gift. Mosley looked shot in that bout, an obv loss 8-4 in rounds at best. His reflexes were slow and he had no second wind despite being juiced to the gills. In retrospect he was probably geared up on roids ever since he moved up from 135, if not sooner. Who skips jr welter, goes straight from 135 to 147 and brags about benching 350 lbs? That’s a tell. Ironically Vargas also geared up to fight Oscar and lost. Dudes knew he was a tough nut to crack and would do anything including cheat to get the “win.”Posted December 4, 2013 9:31 pm
“If DLH-Mosley II was such a robbery… Why was it a unanimous decision?” so now you’re endorsing the “official” scorecards(?) and seriously incredulous that they could possibly get it totally wrong? . . . (lol).Posted December 4, 2013 9:31 pm
Either way Oscar’s career is solidly HOF worthy. He was the sports biggest star this side of Tyson in the ’90s and Oscar’s generation of welterweight champions were superior to today’s because they had more talent and tested it against each other. Whitaker, Quartey, and Trinidad wouldn’t fight each other but once Oscar moved up to 147 he led the logjam to end, and he went 2-1 in these Superfights at welterweight. Wonder what might’ve happened had Pacquiao, Mayweather, Margarito, Williams and Cotto all threw down at 147? We’ll never know because this generation has no balls compared to the prior generation.Posted December 4, 2013 9:25 pm
If DLH-Mosley II was such a robbery… Why was it a unanimous decision — and why did all the reporters at ringside have Mosley winning???
Also… Why did the judges all give Oscar an early lead??? If you’re gonna commit a robbery you start early.Posted December 4, 2013 9:24 pm
DLH was at his best when he was working with Floyd Sr. who obligated DLH to use his right-hand and even had him employing his own effective version of the shoulder-roll subsequently perfected by Floyd. when DLH had a corner he trusted to do the thinking for him, he executed in disciplined and superior fashion. conversely, a thinking DLH became a limited and vulnerable DLH.Posted December 4, 2013 9:24 pm
That’s not true… Jack Mosley never told Shane that… The fight was close and Mosley needed the last round to win it.Posted December 4, 2013 9:21 pm
prior to the final bell of their rematch, Shane Sr. told Mosley that he needed a KO to win. also, watch Mosley’s corner while the scorecards were being tallied. the picture of utter resignation followed by relief and shock at the official tally. Mosley definitely won their first bout, but he was most likely juiced for that one as well.Posted December 4, 2013 9:14 pm
“But all 3 judges thought Mosley won the 2nd fight…” that Shane later confessed he was juiced to the gills for. it’s called CHEATING. look it up.Posted December 4, 2013 9:12 pm
TARK it’s nonsense to say Mosley beat Oscar “again” in their rematch. Most of the observers called his so-called win the robbery of the year. Plus, it’s a confirmed fact Roidsley was juiced to the gills on the clear, the cream and HGH courtesy of BALCO.Posted December 4, 2013 9:12 pm
you’re in rare and troubling form today TARK. thus far, you’ve endorsed the HBO broadcast crew, dismissed Gil Clancy, asserted that Trinidud ouboxed(?!?) DLH, and that Shane defeated DLH fair and square. it’s a virtual HOShame superfecta! next you’ll be saying that Ali wasn’t that great and that Hagler was a ducker who avoided the best competition . . . i Dare you.Posted December 4, 2013 9:12 pm
Oscar said Shane, “Kicked my ass” in the first fight… Oscar disputed the 2nd fight… But all 3 judges thought Mosley won the 2nd fight… The HBO crew disagreed, but Jim Lampley did a quick toll of ringside sportswriters after Oscar-Mosley II…
Lampley said, “We may be on the wrong side of this… 80% of the sports writers at ringside had Mosley winning.” … If you review the telecast you’ll hear Lampley saying that … Mosley won that fight on my card as well — 115-113.Posted December 4, 2013 9:11 pm
Trinidad was not a good boxer… Just good enough to beat DLH… Trinidad was all over the news saying he would grant Oscar a rematch. He even told Oscar, “I’ll fight you any time, any place.”
Tito said.., “Let’s do it AGAIN Oscar Meyer Weiner… Last time I chased you out of the ring.. This time I’ll knock you out cold MFer.”
Oscar refused to do the rematch… and it took him six (6) years to rematch Mosley… Oscar waited until Mosley had a 3-fight winless streak, and looked washed up — only to lose again, this time by UD.
After consecutive losses to Vernon Forrest, and a draw with Raul Marquz, Mosley looked to be slipping badly… but he still beat Oscar.Posted December 4, 2013 9:01 pm
Don’t forget that Calzaghe beat a prime Kessler also. That was a good back and forth fight which Calzaghe didn’t get on top until the last 3rd of the fight. All deserving inductees.Posted December 4, 2013 8:53 pm
STRAIGHT RIGHT, DLH’s performance v. Trinidud isn’t called “the blueprint” for nothing. DLH could’ve ended stronger but as we later found out, he would’ve risked being dented by Cheato’s illegal handwraps. as IF what is “only” deemed illegal in NYC should be considered legal or less lethal everywhere else(?). B-Hops had some damning details to share about Cheato’s illegal wraps in an interview with Bernard Fernandez of Philly.com, “If you put on tape, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, it’s like a [plaster] cast. It’s like being hit with a baseball bat. I’m giving out some secrets here, but you can dip your hands in ice water and that tape will, like, marinate and become harder. But it’s only cheating if you get caught. Personally, I think Vargas’ and Reid’s people dropped the ball. Nazim did a brilliant job ofspotting what [Felix Trinidad Sr.] was doing with the wraps”. thanks to Clancy, DLH may have unwittingly avoided being ruined like Reid or Vargas were v. Cheato.Posted December 4, 2013 8:52 pm
TARK. Mosley was also on steroids for that bout–so he cheated, then got a contraversial decision–and you admire this how? That bogus quote was an interesting touch, a little baseless gossip thrown into the mix. De La Hoya critisized that decision many times.Posted December 4, 2013 8:51 pm
Yes I agree, Tito Trinidad was a warrior and ducked nobody. What more can I say? He will go down in history as one of the best, ATG no doubtPosted December 4, 2013 8:49 pm
@ Te Tumbo – I agree with your analysis of the Tito DLH fight. It’s a shame they never rematched. DLH would have won more convincingly. TITO ducked no one but had some boxing fundamental flaws. Both were hella great at giving fans amazing fights.Posted December 4, 2013 8:21 pm
There must b also a *Hall Of Shame* and floys wd b the first to enter there for beating foes
With a sucker punch and for avoiding resl threats his whole phony carrer like Manny just an examplePosted December 4, 2013 8:14 pm
The special thing about Oscar and Tito is that they ducked nobody! Always fought the best! Tito and Oscar in their prime would both beat Floyd!Posted December 4, 2013 8:12 pm
“Clancy told Oscar to ‘box’ not ‘run’ …. Oscar ran” but NOT according to Clancy at the time of the actual bout. watch and listen to the video. Clancy is pleased with DLH’s performance in those final rounds compared to the frantic desperation emerging in Trinidud’s corner and performance in the ring. during which Trinidud was exposed for a flailing and bewildered slugger without a Plan B or the abilty to walk down a backpedaling opponent that according to you was “running like a dog”(!?). Chavez Sr. never had that problem in the same situation. in fact, even Margarito demonstrated more skill in that same situation. it was a robbery plan and simple that Trinidud refused to capitalize on lest he be thoroughly embarrassed once again.Posted December 4, 2013 8:12 pm
TARK, what could’ve possibly happened in their first bout that would’ve convinced Trinidud to shift into “destroyer mode” in a rematch? if anything, it was Trinidud’s blundering “destroyer mode” in the first bout that DLH exposed to begin with. the only confidence that DLH lost was in his corner, which was significant. up to that point, DLH was a programmable and disciplined fighter who did minimal thinking but specialized in disciplined and near-perfect execution of his corner’s instructions. afterwards, DLH’s lack of ring-smarts were exposed by his own lack of faith in his corner’s instructions. the only reprieve was when DLH was under Floyd Sr’s. tutelage. that was the only trainer after the Trinidud robbery that DLH did trust and once again execute for with near-perfect execution.Posted December 4, 2013 8:06 pm
“In every other round Mayweather had a clear edge” Utterly Wrong. 6 rounds for Mayweather + 6 rounds for DLH = DRAW. Btw, there were no truly decisive rounds for either DLH or Mayweather. between DLH’s initial but somewhat frantic activity and Floyd’s grappling and pot-shotting, there was no “clear” winner in that bout, i.e., a Draw if i ever saw one.Posted December 4, 2013 8:01 pm
Te Tumbo…, Clancy told Oscar to “box” not “run.” …. Oscar ran.
Trinidad didn’t get out of Dodge… He wanted the rematch and Oscar immediately, and tired very hard to get it … Oscar admitted he didn’t want to fight Trinidad again. He made some excuse about losing his confidence… He knew Trinidad would be in destroyer mode if he fought him again.
Instead Oscar chose to fight a 2nd rater and then fight Shane Mosley… Leading to his 2nd ass-kicking in 3 fights… Oscar admitted he was beaten that that “Shane beat me up.”Posted December 4, 2013 7:59 pm
“Floyd out-landed Oscar by about 100 punches” according to what? “punchstats”!? but if you want to go there, DLH outlanded TriniDud by 150 punches even beFore “running like a dog”. it shouldn’t have been a difficult bout to score. you land more clean punches; you do more damage; you land at a higher pecentage; that’s pretty basic stuff. anyone with 20/20 vision and a brain should be able to handle it. bottomline, TriniDud abandoned the 147lb division first NOT DLH. DLH followed his piss trail but couldn’t catch up to him before B-Hops EXecuted “the Blueprint” which sent Trinidud careening into his First, Pouty, Unavenged, Post-Loss, “RETIREMENT”. BTW, funny how Cheato ONLY ever had problems reaching rematch terms with the likes of DLH, B-Hops, and . . . well(?) . . . never mind in the case of Winky. not even the most delusional Trinidud fan could contrive an argument on behalf of that rematch happening.Posted December 4, 2013 7:57 pm
TARK, most fight-fans will defer to Clancy’s judgement on this one. after all, following DLH’s “blueprint”, TriniDud got the Hell out of Dodge before allowing DLH to finish the job at 147lbs. not much different from Pacquiao* avoiding the red-hot rematch v. Marquez by targeting a presumably faded Morales after he lost the rubbermatch v. Barrera at 130lbs. that’s what’s left after you strip away all of the hype and over-analysis of transparent examples of presumably “great” fighters ducking and avoiding their primary rivals.Posted December 4, 2013 7:49 pm
The only round of the Mayweather fight that Oscar won was the 2nd round… In every other round Mayweather had a clear edge… You don’t win any fights by throwing weak ineffective punches … Oscar did throw more jabs in the 2nd half of the fight but couldn’t land them.
Floyd out-landed Oscar by about 100 punches.Posted December 4, 2013 7:49 pm
power hands…, “Oscar always brought the fight to you. Oscar was an aggressive fighter.”
DLH ran like a dog in the Trinidad fight… and it cost him… plus he never agreed to a rematch because he knew Tito would kick his ass again.Posted December 4, 2013 7:45 pm
The Pinoy Pikey
I have not been made the pilgrimage to the IBHOF: this might be a great time to make my first visit. Boston to Canastota is not a bad trip. I have heard great things about the HOF weekend.Posted December 4, 2013 7:41 pm
the DLH v. Mayweather bout should’ve been a Draw. IMO, neither fighter did enough to demonstrate superiority over the other. DLH started strong before being neutralized by Floyd who ran out of time to do much else. end of inconclusive story.Posted December 4, 2013 7:20 pm
I feel that his fight with Floyd could have been a draw. Oscar always brought the fight to you. Oscar was an aggressive fighter. That big big money started rolling in. Lol!Posted December 4, 2013 7:08 pm
correction: “I feel like I lost a couple of fights that I won, or won a fight that I lost . . . what can you do?” concede the “W” and make it right. that’s what YOU can do, Shane.Posted December 4, 2013 7:02 pm
i still wonder at the lack of a correction by the corresponding sanctioning bodies regarding the rematch v. Shane who later admitted to juicing for that bout. it is not a legitimate loss on DLH’s record. in fact, it brings Mosley’s first “W” v. DLH into question as well but i’d feel better about the sport if they only stripped Shane of his “W” in the rematch, which was a scorecard robbery to begin with. or as Mosley sheepishly put it in the post-bout interview, “All I know is that I won the fight, I’m the legitimate champion of the world. I feel like I won a couple of fights that I lost, or won a fight that I lost . . . what can you do?” Mosley may have not felt any shame about juicing but he obviously felt uneasy about the unearned scorecard nod v. DLH in the rematch.Posted December 4, 2013 7:00 pm
TC STAN, Calzaghe slapped Hopkins silly but his punches v. Junior were sharper. nonetheless, it was volume-punching not power-punching that carried Calzaghe to victory in those bouts. not to mention his unorthodox fighting style that neither Hopkins or Junior or Lacy took seriously enough. i myself considered it amateurish and exceedingly vulnerable to alternately crafty and talented fighters like Hopkins but Calzaghe PROVED me wrong In The Ring, which ultimately trumps ALL bias, analysis, or speculation. Calzaghe is at least a HOFr.Posted December 4, 2013 6:50 pm
No doubt I put Oscar at number one. When I said smarter, I meant he could have beat all them guys before his promotional business sky rocket. Oscar was the man. I thought he was going to beat Trinidad, Shane, manny, and Bernard. Lol! Sorry I text it all wrong.Posted December 4, 2013 6:47 pm
Tomato Can Stan
te tumbo – Jones Jr. said those “slaps” were much harder than he thoughtPosted December 4, 2013 6:22 pm
i’ve had my doubts about Calzaghe but he did Slap B-Hops silly in a bout that i was certain he would be outsmarted and outfought by the always crafty Hopkins. rewind to the Lacy bout and it was Calzaghe who exposed the presumably ascending and undefeated “Left Hook”. fast-forward after Hopkins and Calzaghe also dominated RJJr. in both bouts v. Hopkins and Junior, Calzaghe came back from early KDs to convincingly defeat both HOF fighters. Junior was beyond his prime but that was certainly not the case with Hopkins and Lacy. Btw, Calzaghe also earned these wins on the road when fighting in the states was still the gold-standard of prizefighting. accordingly, you’ve gotta hand it to Calzaghe. he didn’t always fight the best during his prime but he crafted a remarkable exit from the sport and reMained retired. Calzaghe is at-least HOF worthy.Posted December 4, 2013 6:13 pm
POWERHANDS, no less a boxing authority and legend than Gil Clancy was in DLH’s corner directing and praising his performance during the final rounds of the Trinidud fight. Gil Clancy(?!). Directing, Coaching, and Praising DLH’s performance during the final rounds of that bout . . . i rest my case.Posted December 4, 2013 6:04 pm
Big Calzaghe fan but have to say its De La Hoya 1 Trinidad 2 and Calzaghe 3. Oscar was truly awesome at his best and even past his best almost beat a prime Floyd, Trinidad had his flaws but was a beast, the reason they get the nod over Joe is simply level of competition as the 0 on his record would otherwise give him the edge.Posted December 4, 2013 6:03 pm
Pac Is Back
powerhands – C’mon man, Oscar decisively beat Tito. Oscar has the smarts. He’s making millions with his promotional company when alot of fighters retire busted.Posted December 4, 2013 6:01 pm
I noticed calzaghe when he beat omar sheika. I thought Byron Mitchell had him after he knocked joe down, but Joe got up and destroyed him. Bernard jumped off his game plan after he knocked Joe down, but after that Joe became so busy to win the fight. All and all, I feel he deserves it because there isn’t that many fighters that retired undefeated. No question about Trinidad and Oscar, them two always had me on the edge of my seat when the step in the ring. Tito wasn’t afraid of anyone. After Bernard it was over for him when he stepped up in weight. Oscars most exciting fight to me was with ike. That second knock down for Oscar won him the fight. That was a beautiful fight. He gave Trinidad that fight because he was so afraid of Titos left hook. Oscar could have retired undefeated if he was a little more smarter. Lol! Congratulations to all three of you.Posted December 4, 2013 5:46 pm
the HOF was always shoo-in for DLH who challenged and fought every major champion from 140lbs to 160lbs during his ATG-career. the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO 160lb-titles v. Hopkins and Sturm who were both career middleweights; the WBC, WBA 154lb-titles v. Vargas and Castillejo who were both career jr. middles; DLH was also ready to fight Wright IF he hadn’t of turned down a career high payday; the WBC, IBF 147lb-titles v. whittaker and Trinidad who was a career 147lbr; whittaker was champ for four years, including eight defenses after which he won a 154lb-title; Quartey was WBA champ for four years with seven defenses despite the fact that he was stripped before facing DLH; Chavez was a two-time jr. welter champ, with 16 defenses, and enjoyed a 16-fight advantage in the division when DLH defeated him; there was also talk of DLH challenging Randall for his WBA-belt but Randall lost it twice during DLH’s tenure at 140lbs; DLH was also prepared to challenge IBF-champ Tszyu before Tszyu got KTFO by Vince Phillips. bottomline, DLH fought them ALL between 130lbs and 160lbs except Jose Luis Lopez who was considered as dangerous as any other welter around. he certainly gave a prime Quartey all he could handle. during this time, Gatti was the only opponent DLH chose that was overmatched. in fact, if DLH had retired after the TriniDud Robbery he would still be considered an ATG just for going up from 130lbs to 147lbs in an extraordinarily brief time-span during which he faced the three best welterweights; from the hottest division in boxing; who were all established P4P-champions at the time DLH fought them. with creds like that, HOF induction is a well-earned honor for DLH.Posted December 4, 2013 5:44 pm
i hope theres no ped cheats in the hall. lol.Posted December 4, 2013 5:33 pm
Trinidad should hit you with his left hook for saying thatPosted December 4, 2013 5:32 pm
Edgar J Hoover
Calzaghe whooped Nard.Posted December 4, 2013 5:32 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan is related somehow to Bernard Hopkins, I think!Posted December 4, 2013 5:30 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Trinidad really should not be in the Hall of Fame. He was a one dimensional fighter.Posted December 4, 2013 5:25 pm
oscar vs ike quartey. you tube it and you will understand why we are sick of floyd mayweather exciting stylePosted December 4, 2013 5:20 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
And Bernard Hopkins defeated all three of them in world title fights (Well Joe Calzaghe got away with a BIG gift decision with that SD in a contest MOST trainers and experts I heard from had Bernard Hopkins as the winner by either 115-112, 115-113 or 114-113. My self? I had 115-112 for Hopkins). Annyway not the point here. they all three had great careers with being dominant boxers and great world champions. Oscar De La Hoya is also one of my childhood favourite boxers to have followed his entire boxing career and Joe Calzaghe I first recognised late when he beated up Jeff Lacy and later Mikkael Kessler for there world title belts. I had a hard time to accept him getting the victory over Hopkins when I after watched the fight so manny times just can’t accept him winning the entire fight and his fight with the shor Roy Jones jr was not an entertaining fight or worthy as it should have been a rematch with Hopkins instead or taking on Carl Froch. Still Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter and can’t be taken that away from him and he was a dominant super middleweight world champion as well.Posted December 4, 2013 5:16 pm
PEEJ has the beat. The real one not the fake racial one.Posted December 4, 2013 5:16 pm
WOW! What a surprise___________________________________Posted December 4, 2013 5:09 pm
This is a marquee class of HOF inductees, all three of them. Since they’re all recent fighters I’ll bet the attendance is higher than usual.Posted December 4, 2013 4:25 pm
who”s next david toe haye.Posted December 4, 2013 4:19 pm
Yes, these three belong in the hall of fame – Gatti does NOTPosted December 4, 2013 4:12 pm
To be fair to Oscar, though he wasn’t quite as good as the hype made out, he did nearly beat Floyd. He had the better of him till the very latter stages. A prime DLH had the style to take May’. Calzaghe beat Hopkins legitimately.Posted December 4, 2013 4:03 pm
de la hoya. the first cross dresser into the hall of fame.Posted December 4, 2013 4:00 pm
Hopkins beat Calzaghy for sure. I respect Calzaghy’s record, but apart from an old Roy Jones, Hopkins (whom he got a gift against) and an old Eubank, who else did he fight. Ehh yes Jeff Lacy and Bika. Not a hall of fame resume if you ask mePosted December 4, 2013 3:58 pm
But he did fight everybody. Got the nod over Perenell which I didn’t agree with, should of got the nod over Tito, he got the nod over Quartey but I thought he lost that one.Posted December 4, 2013 3:54 pm
Oscar got beat by anyone decent he ever faced. Most overrated ever.Posted December 4, 2013 3:51 pm
I remember the late Manny Steward saying how special a talent was Calzaghe while easily outpointing the top supermiddleweights,and then going on to narrowly defeating the 49 year old phenom Hopkins.I watched that fight four times scoring each round objectively and each time i agreed with the judging,however there were some rounds that were so close it honestly could have gone the other way ,but the judges were pretty good on the fight.If it werent for BHop complaining and buckling over a few times he may have won?Trinadad was an awsome fighter also.Posted December 4, 2013 3:46 pm