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They are champions. It’s the rules and they take advantage of them.

Posted November 12, 2013 6:23 pm 


juan

D… u r right… I get a Lil excited when people talk too much junk. I hate the fact that there are no regulations in boxing anymore.. it’s all about the money..to have a fighter come in on fight night 10- 20 lbs heavier than his opponent is not only an advantage but it’s a Lil dangerous… until someone gets hurt seriously this won’t stop. What angers me is fighter that do this….call themselves champions…

Posted November 12, 2013 6:24 am 


D

Juan… Canelo never fought at 175-180 in his life.. His heaviest into the ring weight was 172 for the 171 Trout. He weighed 165 for Floyd, obviously not a good weight for him anymore.

Posted November 10, 2013 11:18 pm 


Anonymous

same day weighins was for real fighters.

Posted November 10, 2013 9:18 am 


juan

Te tumbo…. ur rite…..canelo is the best 154 pounder that fights at 175-180lbs…and fyi….cotto made over 20million for mayweather fight… without cotto canelo makes NO MONEY..HIS PROMOTERS WILL… so for gbp to offer cotto 10 million…..SIMPLY A JOKE. COTTO is the 3rd best pay per view fighter out there behind mayweather pacman. Canelo only made 2million with Money…..so stfu…..and know ur boxing….. COTTO WILL WOOP CANELO FOR FREEEEEE…..

Posted November 10, 2013 6:07 am 


EZ E

TARK No they won’t return to same-day weigh-ins, like I said in one my comments further below, it’s just plain too late for that. Boxing blew it!! I believe boxers are now MORE in danger with trying to take EXTREME advantage of the dehydrate/re-hydrate process. Some fighters find that their bodies don’t respond the same all the time, finding it surprisingly more difficult from one fight to another. I recently helped work with a fighter in Carolina Gym, here on the Island. He previously looked awful in barley winning at 127Lbs against slightly smaller opponent he should’ve easily beaten. He actually caught an awful flu after, something that is pretty natural for some fighters due to the process. In his next fight, now under our guidance, he refused to go through the extremes of dehydrating, preferring to fight a naturally bigger and slightly favored opponent. He came in at a comfortable 132Lbs while his rival weighed one pound under the limit, a compact DEHYDRATED 134Lbs. Our fighter won with plenty to spare, good stamina and sharp.

Posted November 9, 2013 7:44 pm 


TJ

EZ E, You are spot on about same-day weigh-ins, which is something I have been banging on about for the last 10 years.
The excuse for same-day weigh-ins was one of health and safety reasons, but I do not believe for one second that the deaths and serious injuries in boxing have gone down in our beloved sport since the abolition of same-day weigh-ins.

Just the other week we lost a 26 year old in the ring.

I still remember watching LEAVANDER JOHNSON vs JESUS CHAVEZ and losing his life shortly after…..there are far too many mitigating circumstances that lead to boxing deaths that bringing forth weigh ins 30-36 hours before a fight cannot solve.

I personally believe it has led to many, many mismatches due to people’s body types handling the rehydration better than others thus able to compete in unnatural divisions.

All the GREAT fighters right up to the late 80’s had to do the same-day weigh-in and still produced memorable 15 and 12 round fights.

We can’t forget HAGLER being humiliated having to strip naked, hiding behind a towel to make weight before MINTER and then promising to beat him up for the ignominy.
HEARNS was emaciated at 145, overtrained when he fought SUGAR Ray LEONARD…. the list goes on…….

Posted November 9, 2013 6:02 pm 


Ray Ray

Cotto vs Sergio at 160 Mayweather take on the winner…..Golden boy and Alvarez back 2 the drawing board and fighting scrubbers…..Golden boy needs a mexican guy doing well. A Cotto v Alvarez fight at 154 smells fishy 2 me, a dodgy Alvarez decision 2 get the mexican big ticket back on track. Cotto should fight Martinez 4 the middleweight title. 4 get about Alvarez.

Posted November 9, 2013 5:54 pm 


me

How will Canelo knock out Cotto late when Canelo doesn’t throw punches after the 6th round. Cotto had 12th rd knock outs on his record. Id say Cotto knocks Canelo out late.

Posted November 9, 2013 5:12 pm 


TARK

They’re not going back to same day weigh-ins…

Weigh-ins have become events in themselves. They bring in the top Corona girls and tell them, “Keep those smiles on your faces and look thrilled to be here. Don’t forget to turn around once in a while and flex your cheeks. When a boxer steps off the scales make sure you bookend him like he’s part of the family.”… They bring in Michael Buffer to announce the boxers.. Hordes of writers and photographers are there. It’s great publicity for the fight.

Some of the boxers struggle to look natural—when all they want to do is faint dead away from excessive dehydration. Thank God they have about 30 hours to rehydrate because sheer will power is the only thing keeping them upright. Is that tough on their health? … If they do it once too often it can be.

Posted November 9, 2013 5:02 pm 


Anonymous

same day weighins , they would sh#it them selfs.

Posted November 9, 2013 3:46 pm 


EZ E

TUMBO Just saw your “concentration camp survivor” comment. Good one.

Posted November 9, 2013 3:13 pm 


EZ E

TUMBO, Q-VO Carnal!! Well, yes, careful matchmaking has been the key to practically ALL of our HIGHER PROFILE/HYPED fighters, especially if we go back the last decade or two, nothing new but more so these days. If we go back to Tiger, Giardello, Napoles, Mando Ramos, Arguello, Olivares, Saldivar, Jofre, Archie Moore, Manuel Ortiz, … through Gomez, Hagler, Chavez, Chapo, Chacon, even Camacho before the Chapo fight… we must admit that things were different, although we do have our exceptions as well. Anyway, I believe this present weigh-in system has caused more situations, overweight issues, titles being forfeited BEFORE the fight, at the scales. Many fighters WRONGLY depend on those extra 24 hrs and realize that they eventually won’t go down or dry up enough and then.. here come the “substances” and other weight and testing scams(eg: Chavez Jr?) plus teams keeping things quiet while his opponent sacrifices to make the contracted weight, then act “surprised” and “accuse” the scales, eventually willing to pay rather than sweating off a couple of pounds (eg:Castillo vs Corrales 2) We see obvious/noticeable weight differences… and some wonder, “Why does he look so big compared to…??” As a whole, it wasn’t what we had then, by no means. When did we have Chavez Sr, Whitaker, Tito, Oscar, Monzon, Hagler, Hearns… in their hundreds of combined title fights give up titles at the weigh-ins?? Or just plain refuse to sweat off a couple of pounds at the same day weight in?? I’m sure you/me/we all know that back then fighters that would arrive at the official weigh-in with a rubber sweat suit and jump rope. GIVE UP HIS TITLE? Or PAY OFF a chunk of his purse?? NEVER!! Anyway, times have changed and many of us ‘back-in-the day old timers’ sometimes find it hard forget the way IT USED TO BE. LOL! Oh well… Paz y respeto to TE TUMBO!!

Posted November 9, 2013 3:10 pm 


TARK

TJ.., “I can never understand this MYTH about how great PUNISHER was”

Are you kidding???

Nobody ever said Paul was great… He was good enough to beat Cheato.

Posted November 9, 2013 1:15 pm 


Mike J

Great fight! Not sure how to call this one, slightly favoring Canelo though.

Posted November 9, 2013 12:36 pm 


te tumbo

“I’ve seen trainers/managers hire a nutritionist to get their fighters down to a weight class that he’s outgrown (“for one more fight”) and done the fighter more harm than good”. that’s precisely what happened for the Pacquiao* v. Morales rubbermatch at 130lbs. Morales looked like a concentration-camp survivor for that bout, but the price was right and it illustrates the nature of prizefighting itself. whether it be for glory, profit, or both, there will always be prizefighters who will challenge the limits for more of all of the above.

Posted November 9, 2013 11:38 am 


te tumbo

the only issue with weight is making weight. everything else is academic discussion about the inherent risk and danger of Boxing itself. the entire objection to same-day weigh-ins was that guys were dehydrating and rehydrating on the same day and night of their fight. the 24-hour format is adopted and the primary objection seems to be that fighters are Still dehydrating to even more dangerous extremes to make weight. IMO, it’s an inherent danger of prizefighting itself. fighters like Cotto and Pacquiao* have carefully grown into higher weights after establishing themselves at welter and flyweight(?!), but careful matchmaking has been the key. Cotto has gone in to fights as the underdog before. in fact, the only surprise in his loss v. Mayweather is that he didn’t lose in more convincing fashion, but the price was right. $10 million on the table right now to face Canelo. nothing funny or exotic as a Junito blanket. simply show up to collect $3.5 million more than you would v. Sergio to also and spare us Canelo v. Rabachenko . . . Peace to EZ E.

Posted November 9, 2013 11:33 am 


EZ E

PE Most of these ‘weight issues’ would be reduced if boxing would agree to return to ‘same day weigh-ins’ but they won’t, it’s too late. For example: It would force all those super DEHYDRATED fighters to move up one or possibly TWO weight classes, where most all WON’T be as effective. Working with fighters I can HONESTLY say that not all fighters go through the extremes of dehydration. Some simply won’t. Ever wonder why some fighters look so small compared to his opponent on fight night?? It’s usually because one went to the weigh-in super hydrated while the other didn’t. Some feel more comfortable eating well and feeling a bit stronger, and perform better despite the weight disadvantage. Not ALL fighters are the same physically. What can drain some fighters doesn’t necessarily doesn’t affect others in the same manner and visa-versa. I’ve seen trainers/managers hire a nutritionist to get their fighters down to a weight class that he’s outgrown (“for one more fight”) and done the fighter more harm than good. It don’t always work that way. As for the Canelo vs Cotto fight, I believe many are making a mistake in predicting a blowout for Canelo. He failed once, looking a bit lost and confused. How will he react when things get a bit rough again? No, Cotto is no Floyd, but is capable of giving Canelo some trying moments, possibly more than what might be able to handle. Nonetheless, it will be an interesting encounter. BUT… possibly one we’ll never get to see if Cotto and Sergio come to terms first. This is not an ‘all about the money’ fight for Cotto. It’s all about cementing his legacy. Cotto doesn’t need the 10 mil, especially when there’s 6.5 mil waiting for him as a co-promoter vs Sergio fight, maybe more. It would DEFINITELY be more interesting than Floyd vs Khan, and Canelo’s rumored next “Suliaman title” fight vs the Russian Sergey Rabachenko. (WHO??) Wow, what a “great” money making ppv that one is going to be, huh? Oh well… Peace to all!

Posted November 9, 2013 10:02 am 


B Red

Cotto is a great fighter, Im not sure if Canelo can beat him

Posted November 9, 2013 5:33 am 


el chapo

GGG sends Canelo on a stairway to heaven. Seeing as though Cotto has his best days behind him, a Canelo/Cotto matchup would be the perennial old lion vs young tiger match up but would result in Canelos’s second embarrasement if Cotto comes to the fight prepaired propery by Roach. Garcia, though, is a real good fighter who happens to have plenty of soft fights in front of him to make him look even better than he has demonstrated. A vastly overrated Juanma Lopez and (presumably) Rocky Martinez are hardly world beaters, so lets not get carried away with these wins.

Posted November 9, 2013 1:54 am 


Happyboy

te tumbo – Rigo has more talent in one hand than Solido, Mares, and Garcia put together. easy fights for Rigo. I was really bumed by Mares getting ktfo like that it just proved his got nothing on Rigo. I hope Rigo jumps ship cause Arum & HBO are showing him no love and are gonna ruin him.

Posted November 9, 2013 12:57 am 


Mex

But that’s boxing ..if Vlad comes in weighing 154 than he’s legit 154…so bashing Canelo is no Bueno..

Posted November 8, 2013 9:16 pm 


Mex

Google it ..I’m dead serious…its on fightnews or fighthype…Nazim Richardson even said he don’t know how he does it .

Posted November 8, 2013 9:07 pm 


Mex

PE did you know Danny Garcia walks around weighing 170+…30pds he drops by weigh in

Posted November 8, 2013 8:56 pm 


Mex

PE but Mikey just moved up to 130…he don’t walk around weighing more than 140…Danny and matthysse walk around in the 150s they are much natural bigger dudes.

Posted November 8, 2013 8:47 pm 


Mex

PE and you can go to esnewsreporting.com and see Robert Garcia talking about when Cotto approached him to train him….

Posted November 8, 2013 8:43 pm 


Mex

PE and tumbo if Canelo don’t be careful Mikey Garcia might take his thunder within a couple of yrs.

Posted November 8, 2013 8:38 pm 


Mex

Te tumbo I hear you and maybe I’m being to hard on Canelo but his next fight has to be against a tough opponent and win big to continue his CaneloMania…

Posted November 8, 2013 8:35 pm 


te tumbo

Cotto’s been rocked several times: Torres, Corley, Pacquiao*, and of course “Boricua Killer” Margarito. Btw, none of these guys are known as KO punchers and i’m certain that Canelo punches harder than each and every one of them. Face it: Cotto is a ringworn and undersized 154lbr sticking around for the paydays. well, $10 million is on the table. he should take it because NObody will be offering a penny more.

Posted November 8, 2013 8:32 pm 


Mex

By the way I’ve been missing in action here in this site due to my kids playing football..:………..te tumbo and PE can we all just get along..LOL

Posted November 8, 2013 8:30 pm 


te tumbo

“some people here have a Macho reputation to uphold..” Really? pray tell, who do You think is the most “macho” poster on ESB?

Posted November 8, 2013 8:28 pm 


te tumbo

MEX, i’m not dissapointed with the Truth. Canelo was never “Mayweather good”. i posted so prior to their premature matchup. however, Canelo is still the best 154lbr out there. he would make short work of Cotto and Lara, no problem, and what’s left? 160lbs v. the likes of Golovkin or Martinez. IMO, Canelo is at least a couple of years from his peak, so i’m not dissapointed at all.

Posted November 8, 2013 8:27 pm 


Mex

PE what would happen if a strong and young Canelo stalks Cotto all thru the fight?? If you notice Cotto seems to have stamina problems when his opponents stalk him…

Posted November 8, 2013 8:25 pm 


te tumbo

Q-Vo MEX. i would be shocked to discover that Enema’s of drinking age and i’m not interested in sharing any other “liquids” that he’s used to swallowing when he’s out with the “boys”.

Posted November 8, 2013 8:22 pm 


Mex

Te tumbo ima be honest with you I am kinda disappointed with Canelo…he needs new trainer..although I do think he’s still good but not a Mayweather good.

Posted November 8, 2013 8:21 pm 


Mex

PE I think Cotto would put up a good fight if he had Robert Garcia in his corner…you do know Cotto approached Garcia to train him before he asked roach but Garcia told him he couldn’t due to Mikey and Rios fights coming up.

Posted November 8, 2013 8:17 pm 


Mex

What’s up PE and T….I wish we can all just meet up and have some beers and talk boxing…LOL..

Posted November 8, 2013 8:14 pm 


te tumbo

“kinky” is sharing the same blanket with your chubby, younger, and male assistant. or swallowing another man’s jizz. you know. the typical putoriqueno pre-fight regimen.

Posted November 8, 2013 7:57 pm 


te tumbo

IMO, there isn’t an amount that Cotto will accept for a matchup v. Canelo. he’ll claim whatever he has too but there is not a single more profitable matchup out there for him to take. only less riskier. i’ll be overjoyed if Cotto steps up but he may be too smart for our bloodlust to persuade him otherwise.

Posted November 8, 2013 7:51 pm 


te tumbo

“Mex – what’s up man”(?). “Fight Aficionado – thanks brother..”(?) watch your “culitos” everyone. Enema seems determined to make himself comfortable between somebody’s butt-cheeks. he must be nervous(?) and i’m just warming up.

Posted November 8, 2013 7:48 pm 


te tumbo

any elite jr. middle would’ve TKO’d Angulo on that night. he moved like he was wearing cement boots and swung with the fluidity of a statue and was Still(?!?) able to find, deck, and almost TKO Lara twice. bottomline, Lara was not able to match Kirkland’s performance v. Angulo, which makes him no better than Kirkland.

Posted November 8, 2013 7:44 pm 


te tumbo

also, Rigo defeating Donaire who has many doubters himself doesn’t prove much at the next two weight-classes north. i’m not even confident that Rigo can outlast someone like Salido, never mind Mares or Garcia at 130lbs and that’s the primary gripe about Cuban fighters: proven or untested or simply fail the test altogether.

Posted November 8, 2013 7:14 pm 


te tumbo

Lara didn’t do good v. Angulo. he was decked Twice(?!) v. an Angulo who i thought looked Terrible. only the second head that sprouted above Angulo’s left eye salvaged that win for Lara who also looked limited and bedeviled by Molina who he refuses to rematch. Martirosyan is another item of unfinished business for Lara. sorry but at some point and no matter how “talented”, a fighter’s limitations become apparent and people need to adjust their expectations or risk sounding delusional.

Posted November 8, 2013 7:10 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Cubans as a whole in Boxing have been hyped and have not lived up to the Hype when they’ve moved up in competition.. just look at Quillin vs Rosado.. I’d like to see Gamboa, Lara and Rigo do better and break that pattern.. Lara did really good vs Angulo and Rigo beat the sht out of Nonito.” – PE makes a fair assessment. I’d take Lara over Canelo or Cotto at 154 but he’s got the smallest fan base of any of these Cuban imports. Gamboa is a juicehead, I’m not a fan of his anymore. Rigo is best positioned for stardom since he beat Donaire and has that belt. He better hold onto it tight as hell because if he ever mis-steps he’s gone. HBO already tried to ban him for beating Donaire just like they banned Pirog for smacking down Jacobs.

Posted November 8, 2013 6:58 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“There’s gotta be away to market these Cuban fighters. They have more talent then most, but they seldom get the big fights and big paydays cause they have no fan base.” — Tomato Can, I don’t know how and I’m a fan of almost every Cuban who comes along. Was a big supporter of Gamboa from day 1 until he was named in the Florida PED scandal. He got a bit of hype but pissed it off with some sub-par performances over the past year. Lara is still in great shape but he’s too much of a stylist to get the US public’s imagination. Same with Rigo. What Cuba needs is a big KO artist with skills to compensate for the fact there’s a relatively small Cuban population in the USA. Seems to me only the KO artists are embraced by all nationalities. Most boxing fans are still pretty much based on ethnic and national lines.

Posted November 8, 2013 6:51 pm 


juan

Cotto makes 10 million?? How much does canelo make? I know he wont be making more than cotto…and if anything he should be making more than the promoters involved…. so dont get too excited fans……cotto knows how arum and gbp work……

Posted November 8, 2013 6:38 pm 


Cmunoz@certifiedmoving.com

I think cotto should just retire he does not need the money he needs his Heath!

Posted November 8, 2013 6:13 pm 


te tumbo

Let’s me be absolutely clear: i will only waste time to insult, expose, or humiliate you. not to exchange boxing opinions. that’s like demanding that Mikey Garcia hire Cruz to be his sparring partner. a waste of time and effort that would do absolutely NOTHING for Garcia.

Posted November 8, 2013 6:06 pm 


samsever

Golden boy wants this fight to happen so bad. they need it more than Cotto does. Cotto im pretty sure wants the middleweight title more importantly.

Posted November 8, 2013 6:04 pm 


te tumbo

“like only I can get you..” (lol) yet another example of how DESPerate you are for some degree of integrity by comparing yourself to Me. your JuanMono to my Garcia: a Bum. there is no comparison. also, we NEVER exchanged posts on the Cheato v. Vargas bout. i wasn’t even posting on ESB (or ANYwhere else) until right before the Hopkins v. DLH bout. yet another fantasy you cite to bolster your imaginary but non-existent stature on these threads. Me? i don’t try hard one way or the other. i’m just fixing my boxing habit. that’s all. if it informs some, provokes others, or doesn’t register with anybody is not a concern. i Love Boxing and that is It.

Posted November 8, 2013 6:00 pm 


Mex

U guys are to wild…LOL.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:58 pm 


Public Enemy

Wrong again dumbo but it’s nice to see you get all bent out of shape.. like only I can get you.. like old times…

Posted November 8, 2013 5:52 pm 


Public Enemy

next you’ll be telling us all that you support Ted Cruz and Marco rubio..

Posted November 8, 2013 5:51 pm 


te tumbo

“I respect them and they respect me..” (lol). i can only hope they show up to clarify your delusion. you ain’t respected by ANYbody. you’re just an annoying hemmorhoid that is more trouble than you’re worth.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:51 pm 


Public Enemy

Ah, I hit a nerve.. nice.. tumbo there may still be some Mexican life left in your sellout azzzz…

Posted November 8, 2013 5:50 pm 


Public Enemy

tumbo it’s kinda sad to see the low levels you’ve fallen to these days.. you were once a great Wannabe Warrior now just a bablin Wannabee Gringo who no one listens to.. come on man, grow a set and get back to your roots..

Posted November 8, 2013 5:49 pm 


te tumbo

“everyone here knows . . .” stop grasping for support you weak little Punk. stand on your own two pumps and rely on your own hands to slap and scratch and pull hair out of a predicament. “everyone here knows” that you’re out of your league but if you insist on running your dirty filthy c**ksucker, take your facial like Orlando Cruz . . . with a smile.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:49 pm 


Public Enemy

tumbo – I think Rocky Martinez may pull an upset tomorrow and help continue Mexicos slide into Boxing insignificance.. LOL we shall see..

Posted November 8, 2013 5:48 pm 


Public Enemy

mex and mad scientist fellow Mexicans and I have plenty of fun poking fun at each other.. I respect them and they respect me.. never seen any of those guys take it to the ugly level like you do and everyone here knows it.. LOL

Posted November 8, 2013 5:47 pm 


te tumbo

Cotto essentially pulled the same exiting act that Ortriz did. after all, it was Cotto who conceded visions of domestic comfort that compelled him to bow out of a fight he wasn’t going to win. no different than Ortiz candidly claiming that he was “too young to be taking this type of punishment” v. Maidana. some fighters are more rational than others. it’s a business NOT a fight to the death. those are the Bradleys, Rios’, Thurmans, Marquez’ of the sport. they either don’t think or care enough to spare themselves the ultimate glory of an epic win.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:45 pm 


Public Enemy

tumbo everyone here knows your pattern of ugly sht so lets not act like no one here knows you and how ugly you can get with Blacks, Phillipinos, Ricans etc… you’ll have to go to another site to try that bullsht.. LOL

Posted November 8, 2013 5:45 pm 


Public Enemy

kermit did Box Angulos ears off when he was unbeaten and being hyped as the next Big Thing for Mexican Boxing and derailed the Angulo hype train so he couldn’t be that bad and he also fought Sergio Martinez something Canelo wouldn’t do.. and gave Sergio a tougher better fight then 182+lb Chavez Cheato Jr. did LOL

Posted November 8, 2013 5:43 pm 


Public Enemy

Cotto retired the NO WRAPs MargaCheato.. LOL

Posted November 8, 2013 5:40 pm 


te tumbo

Cintron is a piss-poor example of “even” a tough and gritty fighter being reduced to a teary pile of defeat by a notoriously rough and tough and hard to snuff Margarito. Cintron was always a front-runner who folded v. Williams and Canelo for the same reason: he was a marshamallow who would only take so much punishment before conceding to collect another payday on another day.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:39 pm 


te tumbo

the integrity of Margarito’s wraps when he defeated Cotto has been repeatedly confirmed by the people who were there and actually inspected them, inCLUDing Keith Kizer and Cotto’s corner who subsequently tried to revise history by denying they inspected Margarito’s handwraps at all(?!), as if that scenario didn’t expose incompetence and/or corruption on their part. in fact, a one-eyed Margarito was on his way to a second defeat of a fading and increasingly desperate Cotto before Arum’s ringside doctor conveniently stepped in. this isn’t a case where Margarito once had KO power that suddenly evaprotated into thin air following the handwraps incident. that’s Cheato Trinidud. the original master of plaster. Margarito was essentially the same fighter who never recovered his prime form after the mutually- and equally-damaging ring-war v. Cotto. the primary difference was their respective thresholds when it came to sacrifice and pain. resulting in a rational Cotto conceding defeat v. a passionate Margarito willing to risk lifetime damage and worse for the biggest win of his career. these facts are self-evident. anything and everything more is pissy over-analysis and sour grapes.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:35 pm 


Public Enemy

TJ – Williams who I believe was really messed up by Martinez and the devastating KO was just not as good as he was hyped up to be. He’s unfortunately now a Quadraplegic because of a Motorcycle accident but Paul had some good fights… Go watch the Kermit vs MargaCheato fight it will shock you how Kermit who was landing on Margarito would cringe in pain when Margarito would hit his side with slow shots? as if he was being poked with a Pipe or something..

Posted November 8, 2013 5:23 pm 


Public Enemy

Boxer – Boxing is a Nationalistic Sport.. nothing wrong in people identifying as Mexican or Puerto Rican.. Just like the Olympics which is also a Nationalistic Event.. This is why you’l always see fighters especially Mexicans and Ricans go into the ring with their Countries Flags nothing wrong with that just like the US Olympic Boxers always wave the USA Flag at the Olympics.. there’s also nothing wrong in saying the Mexican fighter this or the Puerto Rican fighter that.. It’s just part of the sport.. when it gets ugly is when idiots start putting down a people in general because they happen to not like their fighters or because of a rivalry… I fk around with the Mexicans here all the time most are cool a few are idiots but it’s all in fun and adds to the excitment of a fight.. but I get your point about stopping the idiotic Race nationality BS out of this…

Posted November 8, 2013 5:20 pm 


TJ

PUBLIC ENEMY

I agree with you re COTTO, who was basically fighting for his life in there… I didn’t get to see the KERMIT fight, but against PUNISHER it was two men who were supposed to be dynamite punchers and THE MOST AVOIDED in the game finding it impossible to avoid each other’s bonce….

it was a fast paced fight – flew by in a breeze, but MARGARITO impressed me more than PUNISHER, but in the grand scheme of things I was watching two guys who were never going to be HALL OF FAMERS.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:17 pm 


Boxer

Yo lets talk boxing not race!

Posted November 8, 2013 5:01 pm 


Boxer

I can ask my 3 year old who it makes more sense for cotto to fight between Canelo and maravilla and the answer would ofcourse be Canelo, it makes sense on paper not on paper and financially, I’m just not a fan of when they turn it into Mexico vs Puerto Rico , NO it’s Canelo vs cotto

Posted November 8, 2013 4:57 pm 


Public Enemy

TJ – He had them when he fought Cintron for sure.. and everyone agrees when he fought Cotto..

Posted November 8, 2013 4:17 pm 


Jim Rich

Brass knuckles that would probabaly be to obvious underneat the boxing glove.

Posted November 8, 2013 3:35 pm 


TJ

TARK,

MARGARITO IMHO did not have loaded warps when he fought PUNISHER in an all-action fight. But, not for one second of any round was either boxer buzzed, even tho’ they threw a whole heap of punches in every round. IMHO MARGARITO was behind early but he was coming on strong at the end and I can never understand this MYTH about how great PUNISHER was…

HE was never better than entertaining. NEVER!!!!!!

Posted November 8, 2013 2:50 pm 


Anonymous

Deepwater, are you Deepwater from TSS?

Posted November 8, 2013 2:23 pm 


Public Enemy

Unless Cotto gets a much better offer this fight is as good as done but PBF and Arum may jump into the Mix and make Cotto better offers.. one thing we all know Cotto ducks no one.. absolutely no one.. so as long as the money and terms are something he likes it’s a go.. period..

Posted November 8, 2013 2:19 pm 


Jim Rich

I think one thing is for sure, margarito proved a little bit of plaster of paris can go a long way, just ask cotto. I think Cotto could beat alvarez and for 10 milion why would cotto not take the fight, that would be stupid.

Posted November 8, 2013 2:16 pm 


Public Enemy

Funny thing is Cuba has the highest Density of Blacks out of all Spanish Speaking Countries.. Ever wonder why all their Boxers are black? hand chosen by the Communist Party itself.

Posted November 8, 2013 1:30 pm 


Public Enemy

absolutely they do..It’s a Cuban thing.. White Cubans definitely believe they’re better then Black Cubans.. They’re a bit of snobs down in Miami.. now I have white Cuban friends up east and black cubans as well who are not like this.. when was the last time you saw a Black Cuban as a News Anchor in Miami News channels?

Posted November 8, 2013 1:27 pm 


Tomato Can

PE, lol you mean to tell me Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz, think their better than the dark skinned Cuban’s. That surprises me. Lol

Posted November 8, 2013 1:16 pm 


REM

Screw boxings corrupt politics and their WWE ranking system Lara is clearly the undisputed lineal jmw champ.

Posted November 8, 2013 1:07 pm 


Public Enemy

tomato can – you need more Cubans trained in the USA in the Pro Style from their beginning in Boxing.. But you just don’t see too many Cuban Boxers coming out of Miami because the ones in Miami are mostly the white Cubans who do not get into Boxing. It’s beneath them.. that’s for the Dark Skinned Black Cubans.. fk’d up but that’s their View.

Posted November 8, 2013 12:59 pm 


Public Enemy

Tomato Can – not knocking the Cubans, have many Cuban Friends and in my Family but the reality is that Cubans as a whole in Boxing have been hyped and have not lived up to the Hype when they’ve moved up in competition.. just look at Quillin vs Rosado.. I’d like to see Gamboa, Lara and Rigo do better and break that pattern.. Lara did really good vs Angulo and Rigo beat the sht out of Nonito.. Gamboa is off on the sidelines after the Steriods abuse allegations..

Posted November 8, 2013 12:52 pm 


Tomato Can

The Cuban’s come in to the professional ranks with that amateur style found into them, but at the same point they are able to beat most professionals so IMO, they should get marketed and compensated accordingly…

Posted November 8, 2013 12:17 pm 


Public Enemy

Tomato Can – actually Cuban Fighters have not done well in the Pro’s There are non that are from the USA all have been Cuban Refugees and when they get here their Amateur Pitty Pat Style which worked great in the Olympics has not been recieved well by the Pro Boxing Fans in the USA. Cassamayor had limited success but he too failed when he stepped up. I like Lara, Rigo and Gamboa but they too suffer from the Amateur Pity Pat style they’ve been programmed for since day one of their Careers.

Posted November 8, 2013 11:34 am 


Tomato Can

There’s gotta be away to market these Cuban fighters. They have more talent then most, but they seldom get the big fights and big paydays cause they have no fan base.

Posted November 8, 2013 11:21 am 


Public Enemy

or 200 thousand to fight Cuban Lara??

Posted November 8, 2013 11:11 am 


Public Enemy

So why should Goldenboy offer shot toast Cotto 10+Million to fight Canelo when Goldenboy could offer GGG 500 thousand to fight Canelo at 154lbs?

Posted November 8, 2013 11:10 am 


Public Enemy

So if Cotto is Toast why should anyone care about this Bogus Match-up? Cotto would then be just another undersized shot fighter spoon fed to Canelo.. like all his priors excluding PBF.. Why doesn’t Canelo then fight GGG who is not Toast? or Cuban Lara who he has been avoiding for over a year?

Posted November 8, 2013 10:52 am 


te tumbo

once again, a lot of gas and over-analysis of a cut-and-dry matchup. Cotto is TOAST. he Knows it, which is why he’s avoided this final matchup of his career until his price is read. it’s essentially a payoff to leave the sport. Canelo wins by TKO at which point Cotto can pursue his visions of domestic bliss and comfort.

Posted November 8, 2013 10:47 am 


Boxer

Happy boy- again yes cotto has mad skills I always say he does and yea he won 4 maybe 5 rds against Floyd which is good and yes a couple of rounds Floyd was coming forward but not coming brawler forward 2 different styles my man, I bet any man would prefer Floyd coming forward than Canelo or even a cotto coming forward

Posted November 8, 2013 10:33 am 


REM

Canelo v Cotto would outsell Floyd v Bradley if they fought on the same night on different broadcast smh. Floyd needs popular fighters and stacked cards to sell that whole demographic would buy Cotto v Canelo first.

Posted November 8, 2013 10:22 am 


nameless

bears is an idiot.

Posted November 8, 2013 10:18 am 


Jb221

Martinez is spent

Posted November 8, 2013 9:46 am 


curtley

Jeff Sorby, Martinez is the real champ at 160lbs, he took the title off Pavlik and has not lost it in the ring, this idea that Golovkin is number 1 is this BS theory that has been banded it around. You don’t become number 1 by ‘looking good’ you become number 1 by beating the number 1 end of!

Posted November 8, 2013 9:36 am 


Cheezb

I’d rather see Cotto in with Martinez. Cotto has good ring generalship so would like to see how he cuts off the ring and works against Martinez. I honestly think he’d give the current-day Martinez a very hard night, and maybe even take the win.

Despite what heaps of people are saying here, I honestly believe that Canelo would beat Cotto fairly handily. It’s a “styles make fights” scenario. If Cotto came in with his normal “seek and destroy” style, I can imagine Canelo working behind his usual guard and firing fast counters inbetween Cotto’s work… I think Cotto would start getting stung fairly early on, and would resort to that “evasive boxing” style he goes into when hurt/tired for the remainder of the fight (which wouldn’t really lead him any closer to a win).

Posted November 8, 2013 9:30 am 


Jonn E. JaGozza

For all the Canelo bashers yea, he lost to Mayweather who showed him a lot of movement but you’ve got to ask yourself, why was Mayweather moving awayf from the kid, He respected his power and remember Cotto, Martinez and Floyd are all in their 30’s. Canelo is 23, just a freakin kid, By the time he’s champ, all others will be retired and watching Canelo rule the sport from their living rooms. HE is the champ of the future but would have no problems with Cotto, maybe some struggle with Martinez and as a die hard Mayeather fan, Floyd would beat him again if they fought in the near future … Again Canelo will rule in the future, that’s for damn siure … PEACE …Boxingdictionary.com

Posted November 8, 2013 9:16 am 


Anonymous

Stamina has always been a issue with Canelo really dude needs to go ahead and move up to 160 as a middle weight hell he can even fight supper middleweight they says he walks around at 175 sometimes. Cotto is damaged goods Margecheato and Manny P.E.D.s seen to that,

Posted November 8, 2013 5:33 am 


Punch

Bears the Revisionist back at it again, you just have a problem with accepting reality. It must be really sad being you, lol.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:17 am 


Punch

10 million for an asswhooping isn’t bad, Cotto should and would take it. Canelo by wide UD.

Posted November 8, 2013 5:15 am 


hookoffthejab

canelo just did not have to the stamina to fight right against floyd. <<< Really from the 1st 2nd and 3rd it was Canelos stamina and not skill and timing related …….WAAA

Posted November 8, 2013 4:09 am 


BEARS

I think a canelo stoppage win is totally possible especially if canelo comes out with a vengeance

Posted November 8, 2013 3:32 am 


BEARS

im going over bradley tapes. man, he totallly lost to pac and provodnikov. I dont think he should have a shot at may just for beating jmm. he should have to rematch both pac and provodnikov. too bad boxing is not like mma or we would get these fights and the best fights. one title, one sanctioning body

Posted November 8, 2013 3:28 am 


BEARS

cotto is gonna be there for canelo to hit and thats all canelo needs to get his combos going. canelo just did not have to the stamina to fight right against floyd. the weight drain wasnt done right. he boxing and saved himself. canelo gave a good account of himself in the boxgame against floyd. he made floyd totall whiff at times. he didnt take a bad beating. it was a weak points win for may

Posted November 8, 2013 3:26 am 


MMendoza

Overrated Canelo and Underrated Cotto. Great match! After his sorry loss to Mayweather — Canelo couldn’t even do one lick of a punch to hurt Mayweather — now all of sudden Canelo is gonna stop Cotto — IT ain’t happening!! Cotto did the most damage to Pacquiao except for Marquez and the most damage to Mayweather except for nobody here lately!

Posted November 8, 2013 3:12 am 


nameless

“Canelo is the farthest thing from those guys & to say that he’s gonna stop Cotto shows poor analysis capacity. Canelo wouldn’t stop Cotto in a red traffic light…”…….lol!!! boxer, read, mother foker.

Posted November 8, 2013 2:16 am 


Happyboy

Boxer – Cotto boxing skills are underrated, he actually won rounds against Mayweather when he boxed more and was fighting moving backwards

Posted November 8, 2013 12:14 am 


Happyboy

” Cotto & Canelo had an off night against Mayweather ” everybody has an off night against Mayweather but their bank accounts are mosdef ON. Cotto vs Canelo is a good match up and should be made as an undercard to Mayweathers next blockbuster in May 2014. ( Mayweather vs Bradley, Cotto vs Canelo, Garcia vs Broner) HBO/SHOWTIME peace. I can dream!

Posted November 8, 2013 12:10 am 


nameless

boxer, morons like you make the world a worse place to live, kill yourself please.

Posted November 7, 2013 11:49 pm 


nameless

TARK and Largo are challenging people to explain how cinnamon kid will stop MC and you come with your stupid post to tell us Canelo will stop MC and that is it. What kind of a*shole are you?

Posted November 7, 2013 11:46 pm 


nameless

boxer, did you skip all the other posts or you are a simple moron?

Posted November 7, 2013 11:40 pm 


Boxer

Public e- what I was trying to say is that cotto doesn’t do good backing up, against cotto Canelo would have a target unlike with Floyd’s masterpiece, it wouldn’t be an easy night for either fighter and because of their styles at this stage in their career Canelo would stop him, Canelo comes second to only Floyd in terms of hits landed to landed on him, that means his defense is nice, after like you call him the “margacheato” fight cotto was never the same fighter he can’t mentally take a good punch like he used to, love the guy but again I call it how it is

Posted November 7, 2013 11:32 pm 


largo

i go with the split decision but the fight has to happen for us to know who’s right so i hope you agree that we’ll have to wait on that one.

Posted November 7, 2013 11:16 pm 


largo

TARK, Margarito had stamina & he never stopped coming forward & punching…& that’s what I said. Pac was similar; my point was clear: Canelo is the farthest thing from those guys & to say that he’s gonna stop Cotto shows poor analysis capacity. Canelo wouldn’t stop Cotto in a red traffic light…that’s all I was saying.

Posted November 7, 2013 11:13 pm 


TARK

He’ll win a clear decision.. Something like 116-112 or better..

Posted November 7, 2013 11:10 pm 


largo

If the fight is made, early prediction: Canelo by disputed split decision.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:56 pm 


TARK

Largo.., “Margo besides the illegal stuff, had unquestionable stamina & the guy was a non-stop attacking-fighting machine.”

NO he wasn’t… He got badly beaten and knocked out by a 37-year-old Shane Mosley when we know he didn’t have plastered wraps to help him.. And all his showings sans plaster were very VERY poor.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:55 pm 


hookoffthejab

Carlos Molina for his IBF strap ……

Posted November 7, 2013 10:55 pm 


REM

Anonymous Floyd will never shut Cotto down because Cotto is a highly skilled lefty who cuts the ring off very well. Cotto isn’t any of those other dudes Floyd fought as I explained going into their fight. Cotto is a hybrid of Castillo and Oscar so he matches up with Floyd well stylistically.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:54 pm 


largo

BTW, if Canelo tries too hard to stop Miguel, he might get stopped himself…Canelo ain’t stopping Cotto if he hits Cotto head-on with a Mac truck…who you’re kidding?

Posted November 7, 2013 10:50 pm 


largo

Margarito stopped Cotto with bricks & even so was a hard-fought stoppage; but Margo besides the illegal stuff, had unquestionable stamina & the guy was a non-stop attacking-fighting machine. Pac also stopped Cotto but Cotto wasn’t at his ideal weight & Pac is also a hard-hitting dynamo-at the time-that didn’t stop punching; tell me now, how Canelo fits in that picture? The only way Canelo stops Cotto is with one shot & he ain’t that kind of puncher.Canelo stops Cotto?? hahaha, you guys are funny. Canelo has neither the power nor the stamina to stop Miguel & I pick him to narrowly decision Cotto because Cotto is a badly shop-worn fighter & Canelo youth should be enough to win a decision…Canelo stops Cotto…hahahahahaha, that’s really hilarious…

Posted November 7, 2013 10:45 pm 


PEEJ

So what does that say about Williams? Overrated. Like I’ve been saying

Posted November 7, 2013 10:36 pm 


TARK

Your world is not factual… Your world is fanciful… Quintana got whipped every time he came up against top WW’s — except the 1st Williams fight.. In that fight Williams was weight drained and Quintana had his only good showing.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:27 pm 


Anonymous

Cotto still hasnt proven that he is back his last fight was against a c-level fighter Canelo would certainly give him the credit if he beats him. But Floyd will completely shut him down this time he will out box him instead of brawling. Floyd hates to get a stiff jab because if offsets his Dela Hoys was giving him the blues with it problem is he counters and goes to the body to make you stop throwing it.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:21 pm 


hookoffthejab

I think Cotto needs one more fight with Roach a fight with Carlos maybe …..

Posted November 7, 2013 10:16 pm 


PEEJ

Well if that’s what you want is recognition that’s fine. It gets you paid. To be champ you have to beat Martinez. Unfortunately Martinez has been protecting the belt instead of fighting the top contenders in his division claiming nobody knows them and there is no money. GGG unfortunately for Martinez he doesn’t fit that description. And that’s also unfortunate for GGG

Posted November 7, 2013 10:14 pm 


Liver Shot

He better take the money and fight Canelo. He has a better chance of beating Canelo than Martinez. Martinez puts Cotto to sleep by the middle rounds. Martinez is a proven vet and hits hard. Canelo still hasn’t fought anyone that can bang. Floyd out boxed him in a sparring session so that didn’t prove anything. Floyd makes all his fights look like that. Cotto could out box Canelo who is still learning and has only fought one elite boxer in Mayweather. Stay away from Martinez cause Sergio will retire Cotto if that fight happens.

Posted November 7, 2013 10:14 pm 


PEEJ

It’s a factual world

Posted November 7, 2013 10:12 pm 


largo

How is Canelo stopping Cotto? Doing what? Taking a shotgun with him into the ring?…hahahaha, c’mon now, let’s be serious…Canelo by close decision.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:59 pm 


Tomato Can

It looks as though there’s a lot of interest in this fight. I’ll be one of the few that’ll take Canelo by late TKO even though that’s asking a lot. Cotto’s better over all, but Canelo thrives on fight little opponents. In Cotto, Canelo will have a little opponent who will he easy to find…

Posted November 7, 2013 9:50 pm 


TARK

Like I said PEEJ.., You’re in your own world.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:44 pm 


REM

Boxer that’s exactly why Cotto can beat Canelo he hasn’t shown he can pressure his opponent he’s gonna try to slip and counter.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:43 pm 


REM

Peej cmon what’s the tittle without the reconition odviously Martinez is champ but the reconition is what’s important.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:39 pm 


largo

“I don’t see a stoppage for Canelo…” TARK, me neither; how anybody see Canelo stopping Cotto is a bit perplexing to me…Canelo by decision.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:34 pm 


Boxer

Yo public enemy question did you see when cotto fought clottey? Well if you did you would see there that cement hands or not cotto has trouble fighting backing up, that’s where Canelo will take charge remember I’m a fan of the sport before I’m a fan of a fighter, and I call it how I see it, cotto would do really good against Martinez even ggg canelo is a different animal

Posted November 7, 2013 9:33 pm 


Hidalgo

“Mayweather is the type of fighter one can’t improve against in a rematch.”

How would you or anyone else know this Te Tumbo? When was the last time Floyd fought someone in a rematch? Castillo?

Posted November 7, 2013 9:32 pm 


PEEJ

Being undisputed means nothing if your not the champion. And yes apparently he can babysit it because that’s what he has been doing since winning it. Martinez is overrated and if he ever steps in with GGG it will last about 8

Posted November 7, 2013 9:26 pm 


Jim Rich

I think Cotto should take it, will be his swan song. Either he pulls off an upset or gets at worse put in the hospital with a swollen brain and a stroke. Could be margarito vs cotto all over again only cotto gets carried away on a stretcher. Problem is cotto isn’t going to quit until he is ko or his cornor stops it and I think that he may become a human punching bag again. I actully think cotto has an outside change to win but depends how the fight develops over a few rounds.

Posted November 7, 2013 9:11 pm 


REM

Well he can keep the tittle but if he doesn’t agree to fight 3G by forfiet 3G is the undisputed #1 mw in the world.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:50 pm 


REM

Peej so he can babbysit the lineal championship avoid the man many others are regarding as the true lineal champ nah.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:43 pm 


PEEJ

Martinez isn’t forfeiting anything. He is the champ, the titles don’t matter. If you want to be the champ you have to beat Martinez unless he retires

Posted November 7, 2013 8:37 pm 


PEEJ

He knocked him out in the first round. Just like you say he was weight drained I could say Quibtana got caught cold. Williams is overrated. He couldn’t catch Quintana in the first fight. In the rematch Quintana moved right into his punch and got knocked out. Skill nor weight played no part in the rematch

Posted November 7, 2013 8:35 pm 


Mex

Cotto will get k.t.f.o!!!… Canelo to strong easy win.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:35 pm 


old guy

Cotto no chance against Canelo. Too many miles on the odometer.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:27 pm 


Boxtradamus

And YES I will be puffing on MY Victory Cigar right after the bout.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:22 pm 


Boxtradamus

With Roach as his trainer Cotto would be stopped. Roach throws all attention to Defense out the window and focuses on Offense. Canelo is TOO GOOD Defensively to be overwhelmed by Cotto. And his Offense is TOO GOOD for you to just ignore your Defense. Canelo WINS by stoppage as long as Roach is the trainer.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:21 pm 


The Best!

Cotto has always been one of my favorite because he doesn’t cherry pick his opponents and I am actually surprised he is still around considering all the wars he has been in. Cotto like Marquez I think should throw in the towel soon as they will eventually be embarrassed and permanently damaged if they stick around too long.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:18 pm 


REM

Martinez needs to agree to fight 3G or he forfeits his position that is the unification bout. Martinez is quoted saying 3G it’s no one for him to fight so his stock has already dropped with me I was a fan now I’m a 3G fan.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:13 pm 


Iamlegndary_j

Ok, so I will no longer will I read any of Jeff Sorby’s postings, nor will I take him serious as a boxing writer/journalist or a boxing fan. Who in Sam Hill made Golovkin the “Real Champion?” Who has he faced that would even consider him the “real champion?” Martinez defeated the man “Pavlik” who defeated the man “Taylor”, who defeated the man “Hopkins” who was champ for 20+ defenses. This writer is dumb! Golovkin hasn’t really defeated anyone that would even place him in consideration as the Lineal Champ. Until he faces and defeats Martinez, the Argentine is the “CHAMP” What an idiot! Golovkin, the real champ. LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!!! Eastsideboxing should never allow this type of Tom Foolery to be published on their website. Hey Eastsideboxing, I’m a great writer and I’m certain I could come up with better articles than this crap.

Posted November 7, 2013 8:04 pm 


irishny

What on earth makes Golovkin the “Real” champ at 160????

Martinez record is 10x that of Golovkins!

Martinez is the man at 160 and until Golovkin beats him, he remains the man

Posted November 7, 2013 7:59 pm 


Boxer

I’m a fan of both fighters equally, you can’t base the winner if this fight off of how they fought Floyd, it wasn’t cottos boxing skills that was able to bother Floyd it was his experiance, something Canelo lagged but if these 2 met ill call it now lay stoppage in canelos favor

Posted November 7, 2013 7:22 pm 


TARK

PEEJ…, Then why did Williams smash Quintana with no problems in the rematch … when he WASN’T weight drained???

Williams was badly weight drained in the 1st fight and pathetically sluggish… PW was never a great boxer but much better than Quintana ever was. Quintana beat nobody but a weight drained Williams in his entire career.

You see the world as you want to see it, and are blind to everything else.

Posted November 7, 2013 7:21 pm 


KILLA

Canelo is the New Panchito Bojado..all hype!!!

Posted November 7, 2013 7:13 pm 


KILLA

Cotto should fight whoever he wants. This guy has never ducked a fighter or fight his whole career. There is no shame to go after your legacy instead of $$ at this stage of Cotto career. Mayweather has been beating paper champions and he us consider p4p best. This writer gas it all wrong Canelo list his last fight and was schooled by FLOYD.

Posted November 7, 2013 7:12 pm 


srminimo

Sthomas- They’re trying to sell Canelo as a PPV attraction but he isn’t, really. Especially after looking so out of his depth last time out. He needs a dancing partner that will make the fight PPV worthy, and there are only a handful of those, and even less that are free agents. Cotto happens to be one, so they’ll have to bite the bullet and pay the man for his troubles.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:46 pm 


srminimo

Cotto could fight Martinez, then Canelo and then Mayweather. Not fighting Canelo now doesn’t mean he can’t fight him down the road, although it would be better for him to fight him at 154 rather than at 160. I still think this is a tough match up for Cotto because of the size, Cotto is at his best when he’s coming forward. But if Canelo fails to make Cotto go backwards, he will be in for a rude awakening, as Cotto is a much better offensive fighter than him.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:42 pm 


Anonymous

What a bunch of jackasses on here. Why would you watch Floyd rematch two guys he beat easy. Canelo/Cotto seems like an okay fight, I give it to Canelo. Lara would kick both of their asses. And why talk about these guys fighting middleweights? They would get creamed.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:39 pm 


sthomas

Cotto being offered $10 mill this far past his prime is a bit shocking. It’s not even a championship bout. Good for Cotto though. Hope he takes the fight. He’s got a good shot at beating Canelo. Says a lot about the state of talent these days.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:37 pm 


TARK

I don’t see a stoppage for Canelo… Canelo is no GGG… He doesn’t attack very well and is basically a counterpuncher.

Slick boxers and jabbers beat counterpunchers. That’s just the way it happens. Cotto is an ATG at those things so he has the style advantage … But in this case Canelo is youthful enough, and quick enough, and big enough, and tough enough, and powerful enough, and has enough weapons, to beat Cotto over 12 rounds.

Probably something like 116-112.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:35 pm 


Old School Rules

Cotto will fight Sergio next, here’s why:

1. This may be his only opportunity for a fight with Martinez, while a fight with 23 year old Canelo will be around for years.

2. If he loses to Canelo (dominated by Mayweather), he hurts his shot at a Mayweather rematch. If he loses to Martinez, he can say that Sergio was just too big and drop back down to 154, and a Mayweather rematch remains possible.

3. He has a better chance of beating Sergio than Canelo.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:30 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Do it. Cotto looked good against Rodriguez but we still don’t know if that was a onetime deal or if he’s no longer shot. $10M could be his last big payday. Or, it could be a win if he’s not physically depleted anymore. If so then his career is soaring again.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:29 pm 


The Best!

Im not much of a Canelo fan but I see some posts that Cotto can Stop Canelo. That will not happen, if anything Canelo will be a full 154 and should stop Cotto. If Canelo cannot stop Cotto who doesn’t have near the defense of Mayweather then he should take up another sport. Maybe he should get together with Public Enemy and take up handball.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:13 pm 


spartacrust

Martinez has the ring belt at middleweight, so if cotto beats Martinez it will be HE that is champion at middleweight not golovkin, its ggg that needs to get in line, he hasn’t even beat anyone decent yet…golovkin vs quillin, winner fights the victor of Martinez vs cotto.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:05 pm 


Jonn E. JaGozza

I’dl ike to see this fight if, for any other reason, to see Cotto lose. I was at one time a Cotto fan but I thought he didn’t take the sport seriously enough, then comes along Canelo and I like this kid and the way he fights; always moving forward and has a lion’s heat, a real warrior. So, again I’d pay to see this one then the winner face off with GGG then the winner of that fight to face off with Mayweather. I think tt would end up being a Canelo/Mayweather fight II.. I like Canelo but I’m a die hard Mayweather fan first and foremost … it’s getting interesting again PEACE … Boxingdictionary.com

Posted November 7, 2013 6:04 pm 


REM

I didn’t think Cotto could beat Canelo before the Floyd fight but now seeing that Canelo will give away his size and try to outbox Cotto lets get it on.

Posted November 7, 2013 6:01 pm 


REM

Public Enemy Cottos a hybrid man dude can box his a$$ off with as good of a jab as anyone in the sport, timing as good as anyone and good lateral movement. Floyds a better athlete and better technical boxer so his timing seems better but it’s because of those tools strictly timing wise Cottos as good as anyone.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:55 pm 


PEEJ

No Floyd was not challenging Canelo, Canelo had been calling Floyd out since he fought Cintron. Challenged him at 150 on top of that. But to say it was too soon, I don’t think it was. He has had 40 something fights. If he hasn’t learned what he needs to learn by now he will never learn it. He grew up in the pro system so he should know it by now. He should of developed the skills by now. But you are right. Canleo needs to concentrate on the Jr Middle division.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:49 pm 


te tumbo

PEEJ, i don’t recall Mayweather eagerly challenging Canelo(?) but i Do recall Mayweather accepting Canelo’s challenges. nonetheless, it was unnecessary, unexpected, and at a contrived weight that did NOTHING to clarify the rankings at welter or middle. Cotto, Martinez, Lara, or even a rematch v. Trout made more sense than a premature showdown v. Mayweather but Canelo insisted. now that he’s got that out of his system, he should refocus on the logical ascent initially layed-out for him by his promotional team and this latest challenge of Cotto is evidence of him getting back on track.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:46 pm 


PEEJ

Ill tab Cotto to stop Canelo

Posted November 7, 2013 5:41 pm 


PEEJ

Not only crack but also goes to the body very well.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:40 pm 


te tumbo

TITOPA, you beat me to it and welcome to the club! like i said, i will be overjoyed at Cotto accepting Canelo’s $10 million challenge . . . anybody else?

Posted November 7, 2013 5:39 pm 


te tumbo

TITOPA, stop the pussy-footing around and simply clamor for Cotto to accept this challenge?! which is something that NObody on this thread is doing. i for one am resigned to Cotto not accepting this challenge but would be overjoyed if he did. i’m confident that Canelo would Punish, Pummel, and TKO Cotto within 10. never mind how he did v. one common opponent. those types of boxing syllyogisms rarely if ever work out predictably.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:38 pm 


PEEJ

Te Tumbo the only problem is once you become a titlest and then a a Champion there is no fight that is too soon. Unless you are trying to build it up to sell more. Other than that he had to man up and needed to take on any challenges.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:38 pm 


Titopa

Last time out, Canelo had to deal with a guy who is simply a masterful boxer, but didn’t really posses a punch, we’ll see how he fairs against a man who can crack!

Posted November 7, 2013 5:37 pm 


Titopa

I’m eager for a Cotto vs Canelo fight, this will be the FIRST time Canelo faces someone with the combination of real power and great experience. I’m all for it.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:36 pm 


Public Enemy

Well lets hope they can come to terms and agree to the numbers..

Posted November 7, 2013 5:34 pm 


te tumbo

the $10 million offer is the estimated price of Cotto’s overall stature and Name recognition in the sport. that’s what Cotto brings to this matchup and not a real threat of defeating Canelo. otherwise, we would be reading about Cotto having eagerly accepted Canelo’s offer instead of the typical promotional tactic of trying to sway public opinion to influence Cotto into accepthing Canelo’s challenge.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:33 pm 


Titopa

Public Enemy – Indeed. Cotto can “find” guys who can move….Canelo showed us he can’t, he needs you to lay on the ropes so he can attack.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:33 pm 


Titopa

That’s why Cotto did fairly well against Floyd as where Canelo FAILED!! That is simply cause Cotto is the better boxer with the better experience…you don’t need to stand still for him to find you, Canelo does.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:32 pm 


Titopa

Cotto has overcome adversity and has dealt with guys with real KO power, he’s also stopped most of them, as where Canelo has NOT….and that, is a FACT!!

Posted November 7, 2013 5:30 pm 


Public Enemy

Titopa – You can also add to the mix that Cotto finally has a Trainer who is building on his strengths and not trying to reinvent him, he’s healthy and in a positive place mentally.. it’ll be a tough night for Canelo for sure.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:29 pm 


TARK

I believe the last 4 fights for Floyd are going to be: Garcia… Pacquaio… Provodnikov… and Martinez…

Possibly a Bradley… Brook… Alexander… Matthysse… or Broner will sneak in there—but I don’t think rematches with guys who failed are going to fly… Get the fresh blood in there to challenge Floyd.

I love the Danny Garcia matchup—because Danny’s left hook is extremely dangerous … It’s not like Floyd never gets hit.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:28 pm 


Titopa

Canelo did NOT have an “off night” vs Floyd, he was and simply is NOT good enough for Floyd…Canelo can weigh in at 180lbs and he still won’t beat Floyd, because Canelo is not the type of fighter to use his size, he’s more of a boxer puncher who relies on guys resting on the ropes in order to unleash his attack…similar to Cotto, the only difference is, Cotto knows how to to adjust and create openings as where Canelo needs you to stand still so he can hit you.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:28 pm 


te tumbo

when was the First time Cotto stopped somebody comparable to Canelo?

Posted November 7, 2013 5:27 pm 


Titopa

I see no reason why Cotto can’t stop Canelo, we already saw what a fighter with great experience can do to Canelo, now we’re going to see what an experienced AND powerful puncher can do to Canelo. Canelo has the youth and power, but already know what happens to that when he’s matched with experience….those advantage go out the window! Cotto knows how to box, knows how to adjust and knows how to punch, he proved that against Floyd, he gave Floyd his toughest fight in years…I know Canelo’s style is far different than Floyd’s, but that’s better for Cotto, Canelo won’t be hard to find and Cotto hits twice as hard, if not three times harder than Floyd.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:24 pm 


te tumbo

“. . . which I doubt would happen unless Canelo gets some better wins under his belt . . .”, which was the popular sentiment among those who believed that the first Mayweather v. Canelo bout was at least two years premature. i’ll be surprised to see Mayweather still fighting beyond 2014, even with this long-term contract, and my surprise would be regarding what currently unknown fighter could suddenly emerge in 2014 as a credible challenger to Mayweather? IMO, it won’t be Cotto or Canelo.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:22 pm 


te tumbo

the plan isn’t whoever will win. that outcome has already been agreed-upon. Canelo will win. this matchup is all about re-establishing Canelo at the top of the 154lb, P4P, and PPV pile. at which point, there will be NO demand for a rematch v. Mayweather. like every opponent before him, Canelo did everything he could but Mayweather’s simply greater. i wouldn’t believe any promotional hype otherwise.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:18 pm 


PEEJ

I would be willing to bet that if Canelo and Floyd rematch which I doubt would happen unless Canelo gets some better wins under his belt there would be no weight stipulation.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:16 pm 


Juts a fan

Cotto’s record is wrong

Posted November 7, 2013 5:16 pm 


Anonymous

You got cottos record wrong

Posted November 7, 2013 5:16 pm 


PEEJ

Williams wasn’t weight drained, he just isn’t great against boxers and Quintana boxed his ears off. Williams is a highly overrated fighter.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:14 pm 


Public Enemy

and in a Canelo PBF rematch I’m sure there would be no catchweight to add to the Hype of the fight.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:11 pm 


Public Enemy

The writing is on the Wall who ever wins the Cotto vs Canelo fight will have a rematch vs Floyd.. it’s all planned out..

Posted November 7, 2013 5:08 pm 


Public Enemy

Tumbo – If Canelo knocks Cotto dafkoutCold then it makes a case that Canelo had an off night and the catch weight affected him.. so a rematch vs Floyd would be warranted since he KO’d the guy who gave PBF his toughest match and went the distance.. I don’t believe that will happen but if it did then that’s the argument for a rematch vs Floyd and floyd would love an EZ Ton of $$$ beating Canelo once again..

Posted November 7, 2013 5:07 pm 


one eye

Wow big money….oh dear ..what a surprise..Canelo fighting someone SMALLER that him.How much profit do the promoters make….few million.Promoters very talkative about fights but very shy ,when dicussing THEIR PROFIT.Pass the sick bag…sorry,meant to say the moneybag.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:05 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, a predictable Canelo win v. Cotto wouldn’t merit a rematch v. Floyd either. in fact, i doubt that GBP would reschedule that spectacle once again. the first bout was like watching Canelo trying to figure out a Rubik’s cube with his feet and in the dark, i.e., clueless.

Posted November 7, 2013 5:02 pm 


Public Enemy

Personally I think Weight gain restrictions would be more fair and less damaging then lower Catch weights. a weight gain restriction of 165lbs for both Cotto and Canelo would be great. but asking canelo to go down to 152lbs like he did vs Floyd would be damaging to Canelo..

Posted November 7, 2013 5:00 pm 


Public Enemy

boring and uneventful rematch? you’re talking about Canelo right? LOL
because Cotto gave PBF his toughest match to date per PBF himself..

Posted November 7, 2013 4:58 pm 


Public Enemy

Fighters can lose weight as long as it’s just water weight from FAT but they hit a point where their Body FAT count is very low and start breaking down Muscle tissue and then they’re fk’d because you cannot regain Muscle overnight like simple water weight which is quickly reabsored into the tissues and fat cells. so when a fighter like Cotto goes down to 147lbs which is his lowest before he starts breaking down muscle and pushed himself to go down another few pounds he’s doing serious damage to his Muscles, strength and health.. as we saw in the Paquiao fight.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:57 pm 


te tumbo

PEEJ, you would have a point IF Mayweather was a static and predictable opponent. however, Mayweather is the type of fighter one can’t improve against in a rematch. on the contrary, it is Mayweather who can confidently anticipate and adapt following an initial matchup, e.g., Castillo came closest to defeating Mayweather and was soundly defeated in a boring and uneventful rematch. consequently, Cotto would have to deMolish Canelo for the opportunity to once again be defeated by Mayweather in a boring and uneventful rematch. that’s Mayweather’s specialty. otherwise, a rematch doesn’t make sense, which results in no “Money”.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:51 pm 


TARK

@PEEJ.., Weight drained is weight drained… It often happens if the dehydration process isn’t scrupulously adhered to. It’s VERY delicate.

Paul Williams was terribly weight drained for his first Carlos Quintana fight. He was slow, lethargic, weak, lacking in punching power, and gassed out. The rematch was fought at the same weight—147—but Williams was strong, fast, energetic, and displayed enough firepower to get Quintana out very easily.

It’s not an easy process to lose 10 to 20 pounds of liquids as you’re preparing for a 12 round athletic contest—or to rehydrate that weight in 24 hours.. One misstep and you’re screwed.. Floyd even paid a fine of 600,000 dollars rather than risk losing 2 more pounds … It’s a tough thing when your body says, “no more” and you still have 4 pounds to go … Try it sometime.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:47 pm 


Public Enemy

REM, PEEJ – Cottos Cuban Trainer was all wrong for Cotto. Nice guy but all wrong. He tried to make Cotto a Finese flashy boxer which is not what cotto is. Cotto is a Body attacker, Hooker.. something Roach clearly agrees was Cottos Biggest Weapons.. So the question will be? How will Cotto do with a Trainer who is training him correctly.. and how will Floyd do with his Father in his Corner? Makes for Drama and Cotto and PBF respect each other and get along which goes a long way in making a rematch happen.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:43 pm 


PEEJ

Would not have been too risky for Floyd at all. Floyd would of beaten him worse. It would only have been a big money fight that probably would not have done as well as it did the first time. The Cotto fight was only close in the rounds. Floyd clearly won most of the rounds. Cotto fight was not that close of a scored fight.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:42 pm 


REM

Floyd beat Oscar 7-5 and despite Vegas sucking Floyds skin off the Cotto fight was 7-5 also.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:42 pm 


mayweather 86

Rem- good points no argument here. But Oscar turned down a second fight with Floyd because in his own words he said it would be a repeat of the first fight and he didn’t expect different results. Just wanted to.make that clear

Posted November 7, 2013 4:41 pm 


REM

Peej Floyd did in close fights against Oscar and Cotto but they did well the Oscar rematch would been huge “money” but to risky for Floyd with Oscar now being able to prepare better for Floyds defense. Oscar could’ve won the rematch and so can Cotto.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:37 pm 


REM

Using lateral movement against Cotto is a waste of energy. Cotto cuts the ring off as well as anyone in boxing exetremely smooth and with great rhythm. Floyd didn’t want to get hit like he did he has no choice against Cotto.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:32 pm 


PEEJ

Oscar got beat clearly. Did you not see his fight with Forbes to get ready for the rematch with Floyd? It was terrible. He would of got beaten worse. And to say he avoids rematches. Did you not remember him rematching Castillo. That was the closest fight of Floyds whole career. Why does he need to rematch Cotto except for the exception of money? Just because Cotto gave a good account of himself does not make the fight close. Yes the rounds where competitive but he clearly lost.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:30 pm 


Havoc

Sounds like a retirement payout for Cotto. Knowing the GBP is the king of fixed fights! Must have a string attach to it for giving 10 millions to fight a loser….I mean come on…this is what’s wrong with boxing….why not offer the 10 mil to GGG let see what kind of boxer is Canelo really is. This boxing becomes a business instead of a sports.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:24 pm 


REM

Oo-wee if Canelo thought Floyds jab was tough he ain’t seen nothing yet. And I like Cottos chances in a rematch with Floyd. Floyd avoids rematches so guys like Cotto and Oscar don’t get a second crack at his defense Cotto would improve on his first performance.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:17 pm 


Public Enemy

PEEJ – I guess the spin in this will be that who ever wins in a Cotto vs Canelo fight depending on how they win has earned a rematch with Floyd..

Posted November 7, 2013 4:16 pm 


PEEJ

Like the way Bears says more entertaining than a Floyd fight yet Floyd handled both fighters clearly beating them. Spanking Canelo and clearing beating Cotto in an good fight.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:13 pm 


PEEJ

Still confused at how Canelo was so weight drained. He came in at 153 against Trout. Why would he be so weight drained coming in at 152 against Floyd?

Posted November 7, 2013 4:10 pm 


murderman

@ pe – yep. Howevee there wasnt a catchweiggt for the 1st fight. I also guarantee floyd will box n move more. No way floyd sr will allow floyd to trade w cotto again n lay on the ropes.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:04 pm 


REM

Wow Canelos team is delusional. First they thought they could outbox, outfox and outcounter Floyd ROTF…now they think they can build him back up with Cotto. Canelo is incapable of pressuring and he can’t box with Cotto so there’s a good chance Cotto schools Canelo but gets robbed on the cards. Oh well worth the price of admission to see the golden gimmick exposed again.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:04 pm 


Ray Ray

People are talking about Sergio as if hes retired…..yes hes aging, il give him the benefit of the doubt that he may not b done just yet. Isnt he still no.3 on the pnd 4 pnd list? Theres alot if ifs there. If cotto beats Canelo? Mayb theres more chance of a Floyd rematch if Cotto has a middlewieght strap? What if Cotto beats Sergio? If Cotto and Sergio fought 4 the middleweight title I think Floyd would face the winner….Alvarez vs Cotto has zero appeal 4 Floyd 4 Alvarez wins…..no need 4 Alvarez Floyd fight. Cotto is a chump 4 beating an old Sergio but Alvarez isnt 4 beating an old Cotto? How does that work? Id take on Sergio if I was in Cottos shoes, atleast its a chance 4 a 4th devision. I smell a set up cotto vs Alvarez.

Posted November 7, 2013 4:03 pm 


Public Enemy

Havoc – I like Martinez but he’s naturally too big for Cotto and it would be Professional Malpractice for Cotto to not take a 10+Mil fight and chose to fight Martinez for a hell of a lot less. Makes no sense at this stage of Cottos career.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:55 pm 


deepwater152

come on let murray rematch sergio. murray whopped him for most of the fight

Posted November 7, 2013 3:55 pm 


Havoc

Maybe!…..but after Cotto fights Martinez! Canelo coming off a lose and Cotto coming off from a win, it’s only right for him to fight Martinez. So if Cotto lose to Martinez then he can fight Canelo and give him 10mil.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:51 pm 


Public Enemy

Hopefully they agree to the $$$ terms and make this fight happen it’ll be a great fight and if they can get a few top undercard fights added to the card it’ll be perfectly setup to make top PPV $$$..

Posted November 7, 2013 3:49 pm 


Anonymous

Take the money, not many money fights out there, Cotto deserves it and has very few fights left….win or lose, it’s a very tempting offer for a great warrior to call it a day

Posted November 7, 2013 3:48 pm 


BEARS

should be a really good fight and more entertaining than a floyd fight. It will be interesting to see the ppv numbers. the most popular mexican against the most popular puerto rican. I will definitely want to watch this live. its gonna be fireworks

Posted November 7, 2013 3:48 pm 


Anonymous

i see the best are fighting the best. LOL.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:44 pm 


TARK

I see Canelo looking better and not coming in as weight drained as he was for Floyd.. I also see Cotto improving on his Mayweather performance.. They both had off nights against Floyd, especially Canelo.. Cotto has been given a massive shot in the arm. His whole attitude and outlook is one of greater optimism and enthusiasm than I’ve seen in his whole previous career.

It will be a tough fight—and they’ll both enter the ring around 170.. Cotto will land a lot of slick jabs but Canelo will eat them easily.. He’s a tough kid. Saul’s quicker hands, greater physical strength, and dominating size will wear Cotto down.. Canelo will beat Cotto—but not as badly as Trout beat him.. I see the Cinnamon Kid as a 2:1 favorite … I don’t expect it’s going to be a favorable betting fight because I expect the odds to be fairly accurate.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:40 pm 


Hidalgo

“You did notice where Schaefer said “if Miguel beats Canelo”, didn’t you? In other words, if Cotto agrees to fight Canelo and wins, Schaefer will try and match him against Mayweather. That’s a brilliant hook by Schaefer to try and get Cotto to agree to fight Canelo. If Cotto thinks he’s getting a rematch with Mayweather by agreeing to fight Canelo, then that makes it much more likely that Cotto will agree to fight Canelo.”

Wow, thanks for the revelation, Sorby. Don’t know what we’d do without having you to explain the obvious to us.

I don’t agree with anything Sorby said other than Miguel should take this fight. A lot of people have been clamoring to see it and it would be a great fight. Don’t even worry about the Mayweather bait, just take the fight. Take the $10 million–it’s an incredible amount of money.

And frankly, I think Miguel has a chance of beating Canelo.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:38 pm 


Public Enemy

From a strategic stand point I believe Cotto now under Roach can out box and hurt Canelo who looked pretty bad vs Mayweather.. plodding and slow.. So if Cotto could take out Canelo then he and Mayweather can have a MONSTER $$$ PPV EVENT Fight..

Posted November 7, 2013 3:35 pm 


Public Enemy

Either way Cotto will make a sht load of Money and give us Boxing Fans another Great fight..

Posted November 7, 2013 3:33 pm 


Public Enemy

Murderman – I agree, I think Mayweather will offer Cotto alot more money $$$ for a rematch PPV Event… no catch weight this time.
Goldenboy may counter offer but it will have to have weight Gain restrictions to keep Canelo from Ballooning up to over 172+lbs come fight night..

Posted November 7, 2013 3:32 pm 


Public Enemy

Reem – GGG naturally too big for Cotto, even Canelo who is GGG size is running scared from him..

Posted November 7, 2013 3:29 pm 


Reem

Triple G would maul Cotto

Posted November 7, 2013 3:27 pm 


te tumbo

there won’t be any consideration given to prolonging Cotto’s career, i.e., no concessions in terms of favorable conditions. in fact, this matchup (along with the generous payday) seems designed to usher Cotto out of the sport and re-establish Canelo at the top. GBP may be willing to increase Cotto’s purse-split. otherwise, this will be a traditional bout at 154lbs, no exotic conditions, and may the best, younger, bigger, and stronger fighter win. there is simply no long-term incentive or promotional interest in propping-up Cotto’s contender status at the expense of the more marketable Canelo, which makes NO promotional sense unLess Cotto can legitimately defeat Canelo on even terms.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:27 pm 


murderman

If cotto was smart he would fight floyd in a rematch. More money and he will take less of a beating. Canelo will use his size n strength advantange to punish cotto big time!

Posted November 7, 2013 3:25 pm 


Public Enemy

Tomato Can – Cotto definitely a free agent and only worked with Arum in the Delvin fight because it helped make it easier to happen. You can bet your AZZZZ PBF, Goldenboy and Arum will now be trying to entice Cotto into a Huge PPV event with some hefty offers and future options.. who else are these guys going to fight? where they don’t fk things up with Crazy demands who could pull off huge PPV numbers?

Posted November 7, 2013 3:23 pm 


Hecdog

Hard to see this fight happen, but if it does, Canelo stops Cotto. He’s too young and strong for Cotto. Don’t let Cotto’s last fight fool you. Canelo will punish Cotto and stop him before 9 rounds. This will definitely retire him. I don’t think Cotto will take this fight.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:21 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

Not a bad fight. Ten mil seems high but then again Canello can draw and so can Cotto so maybe not. I’d buy this fight. I’d like to see Canello stay active and not worry about the loss to Floyd. Cotto is a good way to do that and sell a major PPV.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:19 pm 


Tomato Can

PE, I hope your right, but normally the only way you fight on a Top Rank card is if Arum has future options on you.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:18 pm 


Public Enemy

Cotto is not tied to Arum. Cotto is a Free agent.. The only Way Arum injects himself into this fight is if he can come up with a financially more attractive offer and the only fighter he controls that could be a viable opponent for Cotto would be Paquiao. So i don’t see that happening because of Freddy Roach training both guys..

Posted November 7, 2013 3:07 pm 


Tomato Can

I got Conelo breaking down Cotto late. But like I said before, the Arum factor, will kill this fight.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:02 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (The Lion King of Beat Street)

Canelo will dominate Cotto and give him a brutal beating — even with Roach in his corner. He will be on the war path after his first loss to FMJ.

Posted November 7, 2013 3:01 pm 


Tomato Can

The Arum factor will kill this offer in no time…

Posted November 7, 2013 3:01 pm 


Public Enemy

The fight will end up being between 12Mil ~ 15Mil for Cotto and may have some weight Gain restrictions for Canelo.. we shall see.. Roach isn’t stupid and would advise Cotto properly in any negotiations.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:51 pm 


PEEJ

I won’t lie, I was sold before the Trout fight. After the Trout fight I was on here saying I had Trout winning the fight and all of this so called mass improvement Canelo showed was bogus. Picked Floyd to stop him late which didn’t happen, I am now picking Cotto to stop him because of the body attack.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:51 pm 


Public Enemy

tumbo – you may be right you may be wrong but if they agree on the $$$ and terms it’ll be a huge PPV bought for both for sure.. It’ll be very interesting to see how Cotto does with a real Coach by his side who compliments his style.. but I do feel Mayweather will try to jump in and offer Cotto more $$ for a rematch.. not too many options for PBF that would be worth his time and risk other then a Cotto rematch.. besides Paquiao of course but that ain’t happening anytime soon.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:49 pm 


TJ

WHAT IS it with boxing fans?
A few short months ago CANELO was being touted on these forums as SUPERMAN with a gorgeous, beautiful, supermodel girlfriend and now he is being ripped to pieces by the very posters on here who were saying Canelo will be champion for the next TEN years!

Blah, blah, blah I read on here for three/four months solid about him….
I broke down round 10 of his bout with Trout and it summed CANELO up perfectly. He is a good fighter, with decent combinations but nothing awe inspiring about him.

Difference is, I was never sold on him and could not see what all the fuss about the so-called SECOND COMING was.

However, I find it quite sad that those people who embraced him have not only dumped him! kicking him to the kerb! but have now tried to bury his career as a non-entity, which he clearly is not.

Heck, let him at least perform again before we rip him to shreds.

Just a thought guys!!!!!

Posted November 7, 2013 2:46 pm 


te tumbo

i’m still confident that Canelo will severely punish Cotto. he’s just the right size for Canelo to take full advantage of his size, youth, and punching power with relative impunity. in fact, i don’t anticipate that Cotto will risk accepting this challenge. not even for $10 mill. it would be the final bout of his career and i’m not sure Cotto is ready for that.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:43 pm 


E in Denver

Take the $$ or see if they offer more. Cotto vs. Canelo is a good match up. Dangling the Jr fight is a good incentive for both guys. Though I wouldn’t care to see Canelo/Jr again. Cotto/Jr 2 is more interesting. Jr should be throwing offers out to Big Head Bradley because you know Pac won’t be an option. Timmy would jump ship in a heartbeat.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:42 pm 


TARK

You knew this fight was going to happen… Oscar definitely wanted this fight instead of the Trout fight for Canelo. It’s a natural event.

It’s not good for Sergio Martinez, who wants to defend against Cotto or Canelo—but Canelo-Cotto is major, MAJOR box office.

Since Floyd beat both these guys, his oppinion that Cotto is the better fighter is going to be tested… After all, Floyd picked Donaire to beat Rigondeaux. He puts a lot of faith in one’s professional pedigreed.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:40 pm 


PEEJ

Before the Trout fight I was picking Canelo to stop Cotto, after the Trout and Mayweather fight I will be picking Cotto to stop Canelo.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:38 pm 


TJ

IF COTTO beats MARAVILLA, then why can they not make a COTTO match with Golovkin? If I were Miguel I’d get Golovkin to come in at 155 as COTTO is a small Jnr M’W and would be a tiny M’W.

I don’t see why COTTO should not put himself up for all offers if he beats MARAVILLA. He will be chased by Canelo, Golovkin, Mayweather and could even choose to rematch Trout or heck he may even choose to retire as a 4 weight champion….

If he beats MARAVILLA, the world will chase him!

Personally, I feel COTTO has only a couple of fights left and wants to leave this sport healthy with all his faculties intact.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:34 pm 


SeanieP

Are these guys business men first then boxers or vice versa, either way for me its a no brainer,if I was Cotto I would take the fight,take the $10 million.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:33 pm 


Public Enemy

Mayweather is going to jump into this and try to make a Cotto rematch. Cotto’s the best option for a top $$$ PPV event for both Mayweather and Canelo so I expect the offers to go up from both Goldenboy and PBF.. who else are the going to fight to make a huge PPV fight? Besides the other guys are just too big and dangerous for PBF and Canelo to risk and would not bring in the money Cotto will bring in. The exception would be Paquiao but it seems like no one can negotiate a fight with him with the exception of Cotto.. LOL but I don’t see Cotto fighting Paquiao right now because of Freddy Roach training both guys and they’ve become good friends as well. Interesting times for Cotto.

Posted November 7, 2013 2:09 pm 



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